>MGS1 he randomly reveals he was in love with Sniper Wolf>MGS2 he randomly reveals he fucked his stepmother >MGS4 he randomly falls in love with a chick he shared one scene with Is this supposed to be a running gag or something? It can’t be because all the scenes are framed as being emotionally heavy.
>>747523101>MGS1 he randomly reveals he was in love with Sniper WolfI could excuse this as him being a weird incel nerd with Stockholm syndrome, but the Naomi shit was unbearably stupid and out of nowhere
>>747523101MGS2 has the worst writing in the series
>>747523101worst of all, you are supposed to feel bad for him.
>>747523101>Otacon cheated on this to be with some whore he barely knew who betrayed him anyway
>>747523813Snake got old and was dying of FOXAIDS
>>747523101The first one can at least be explained by >>747523416 and MGS2 at least that was something that happened in his past and naturally felt so bad about it he would keep it secret for years.MGS4, like everyone else in it, is just pure character assassination.
>>747523914Old Snake still has a great butt
Only the first game is excusableAt least MGR makes use of all of the other fumbles and just wrapped his character as a hot dude that gets all of the attention now
>>747523101Everyone on /v/ knows that futa is his favorite.
>>747523101>MGS1 he randomly reveals he was in love with Sniper WolfThis was fine, he's a loser nerdlinger held hostage by a nice sexy lady and Snake even said he has Stockholm Syndrome.>MGS2 he randomly reveals he fucked his stepmotherThis was relevant to his whole awkward relationship with Emma. Plus he was probably groomed into it by his step mom.>MGS4 he randomly falls in love with a chick he shared one scene withThis was cringe and added nothing to the plot and was genuinely one of the worst decisions made in 4. It's like putting Otacon with Meryl, shit feels weird.
>>747524048Yeah, but Otacon still wouldn't get to do much with it since he is the bottom in the relationship
>>747523101I like to believe everything involving naomi in mgs4 was written by kojima in a state of fever-induced hallucination
>>747525048Was Strangelove the stepmother or was Huey fucking every woman he ever saw as well?
>suddenly everyone aside from Snake and Ocelot are extra attractive with sharp jawsReally putting those extra polygons to good use
>>747525048>written by kojima in a state of fever-induced hallucinationNah, it would have had a chance of being good then. He's just a really bad writer.
>>747525036>since he is the bottom in the relationship>he doesn't knowSnake is generally seen as the bottom
I never realized just how weird and pathetic it was for him to get so worked up over Naomi dying, and for the scene to be played completely straight. Especially since Naomi was just using him the whole time
>>747524048I think the sneaking suit's doing all the job in MGS4, it probably has butt enhancing technology
How long was Wolf even at Shadow Moses? Wasn't it only a couple of days?
>>747525803We see he's completely physically fit without the suit though, why would his ass suddenly quit?
>>747523101>otaku is weak to womenRealistic. He'd spend his life savings on gachashit in a heartbeat.
>>747525930Alright, I concede. Old Snake still got it.
>>747525767I feel like Kojima just wanted to recreate Sniper Wolf parallels for fanservice, but it absolutely didn't work
Huey did nothing wrong.
>>747526041Damn right, he does
>>747523101It's because love can bloom on the battlefield.
The timeline of the Metal Gears (the actual mechs) in the later titles makes no sense.>Granin from MGS3 was directly responsible for the design documents of Rex in the 60s, literally blueprinted out in every detail>These documents were given to Huey's father>Huey proceeds to not use them 1:1, and instead makes a fucked up clone that doesn't work until Psycho Mantis uses it like a toy>Hal copies it 1:1 but in MGS1 he talks like it was all his idea, that everything on Rex was something he came up with
>>747526103>went from looking like a chad version of Otacon to this wimpy little nerd in V
I think what makes the MGS2 revelation seem retarded is that he blurts it out as part of a monologue in front of his dying sister, Snake, and a blonde guy he only met like an hour ago. On top of the fact that he has another additional monologue that feels completely tacked on as he leaves the big shell for the helicopter. And also Chris Randolph despite being the longest running English VA can't convincingly cry at all. If it had been some revelation the player pieced together in context or though a series of codec calls, it may have had more impact.
>>747525767>Especially since Naomi was just using him the whole timeI think she legit liked him. She just didn't like him enough for it to stop her using him.
>>747526064maybe i'm misremembering because i haven't played 4 since release but wasn't like half the game just gratuitous fan service/memberries to the point it seemed like kojima was mocking the fans? i remember liking the ending but feeling that i had been mocked the whole way there by kojima.
>>747526185Don't assume Kojima wrote the entire lore ahead of time. Like any long running series he's prone to forget certain details he originally wrote. Kojima's main issue is that he clearly wants there to be some overarching story but overwrites the shit out of everything before checking to see if he's unintentionally retconning stuff from earlier.
>>747526394>but wasn't like half the game just gratuitous fan service/memberriesYes>to the point it seemed like kojima was mocking the fans?I wouldn't say it was malicious, though it's also been a while since I last played it
>>747523101>MGR:R he randomly sleeps with supermodels as revealed by Sunny Hate him cause you ain't him
>>747525160No, Strangelove is his biological mom as seen in MGSV. It was weird how Strangelove and Emma are the A.I experts and were both Emmerich's but Emma is the daughter of someone else.
>>747526485Kojima's only valuable skill is camera direction and framing, he's honestly pretty abysmal as a writer both in consistency of information, and the way he conveys information. And even then, in regards to the older games, his cinematography had a tendency to overly linger on shit to a comical degree. We really didn't need to see Ocelot spin revolvers for a collective five minutes across all of MGS3.His camera direction/framing notably improves by MGS4, even if it is a contested title for quality.
>>747526824I hate him for getting over Snake so quickly.
>>747526890He's drowning himself in bitches to escape the pain of it anon. Like a fat person who eats their feelings.
>>747523101Otacon did nothing wrong.
>>747526185Metal Gear has some retcons but that's not an issue. Huey built Zeke find before Sally. The issue with Sally was not having the tech needed for automatic controls be small and internal so people can't destroy them easily via targeting the A.I core's like Big Boss did in PW.
>>747526890Anon, Snake died 6 months after 4 and Rising takes place 5 years after 4. I'm sure plenty of people here have returned to functioning in society in less time then that after a parent died.
>>747526103Get on the boat, Huey.
>>747523101Since he's supposed to be the author proxy of Kojimbo, why do you think he doesn't have infinite access to poon IRL (or at least had at some point)?
Is it true Otacon is Kojima's self insert?
>>747526103Nope because Boss says so (which is exactly how it's supposed to happen).
>>747526846>Kojima's only valuable skill is camera direction and framing, he's honestly pretty abysmal as a writer both in consistency of information, and the way he conveys information. And even then, in regards to the older games, his cinematography had a tendency to overly linger on shit to a comical degree.Yeah, any time he tries to get artsy with his framing it feels like a parody of some cult European art film he saw once and is trying act to like he's some refined prestige film director instead framing and blocking depending if the scene demands it. For a kinophile Kojima has a pretty shallow knowledge of how movies are actually made and how cinematography should be applied.>His camera direction/framing notably improves by MGS4I would say that's when his attempts at being a director start to collapse, and goes way into that stupid bullshit of holding onto shots far longer than he needs to, with the character models just wondering aimlessly and gawking like they're braindead. The scene where Snake meets Eva is really bad with the lingering shots on her model and panning over those stupid paintings.
>>747523101>Is this supposed to be a running gag or something?The same character who is incontinent and the butt of all jokes? Nah couldn't be.
>>747524593>Plus he was probably groomed into it by his step mom.He was already pretty old so not likely.
>>>/tv/
Strangelove is a dyke, right? Why did she sleep with Huey?
>>747527335>I would say that's when his attempts at being a director start to collapse, and goes way into that stupid bullshit of holding onto shots far longer than he needs to, with the character models just wondering aimlessly and gawking like they're braindead. The scene where Snake meets Eva is really bad with the lingering shots on her model and panning over those stupid paintings.True, but when compared to many of the framing and shots from 3, it's a hell of an upgrade.
>>747527335>The scene where Snake meets Eva is really bad with the lingering shots on her model and panning over those stupid paintings.Come on, the transition from 3 Eva tits to 4 Eva tits was fucking kino
>>747523101The first two are serious. The last one is a joke reference to the previous times
>>747527401Do we actually have a time frame for when that happened and how old Otacon and Emma were at the time?
>>747527412She is Bi at worst.
>>747527475No, I imagine he was 17 or so though.
>>747526185Granin's friend was Huey himself, not his dad.
>>747527303Kojima's self insert is GOD
>>747523101>Is this supposed to be a running gag or something?yes, it's LITERALLY kojima making fun of YOU specifically
>>747527475Don't think so but just look at him.
>>747527684But I'M Raiden...
>>747527426Oh yeah, 3 is pretty shit too. The scene where Boss betrays Snake on the bridge comes off like a joke when the Sorrow appears, and The Boss just sort of looks around haplessly and Lori Alan belts out that really unintentional robotic line ITS RAINING BLOOD...>>747527456It'd be kino if Kojima didn't pad out the scene with pointless slow camera movements and lingering.
>>747523101>MGS2 he randomly reveals he fucked his stepmotherI admit that made me laugh, especially considering by that point every single character you meet shares some sob backstory to you, so Otacon fucking his step mom and causing his father's suicide got me laughing pretty hardbut then there's this whole scene with his sister and that also made me sadoverall, a very weird experience where I was laughing and very sad at the same time
>>747527762You owe me sex
>>747527412She was sort of an amoral utilitarian sort right? She might have just been trying to produce very smart kids.
>>747527551>Granin's friend was Huey himself, not his dad.Literally impossible. Huey was born in 1945, he'd have been 18 during Snake Eater, and the photo Granin shows you in regards to his friend shows a very old Otacon-lookalike.
>>747523101This entire franchise is one bucket of irony, in that the "original" character is much more interesting than the "progeny" character, despite the latter being in earlier titles than the former:>Big Boss is a much more interesting character than Solid Snake.>Huey is a much more interesting character than Otacon.>Quiet is a much more interesting character than Sniper Wolf.And so on.
>>747527834The scene where the guys all coolly walk away before hard cutting to Emma's dead body always made me laugh, I'm not sure if that was intentional.
>>747527765The cobras kind of ruined any semblence of seriousness of that game and unlike MGS2 there was no postmodern absurdist self referential justification for it
>>747528027Otacon even says his dad and grandpa worked on nukes.
>>747528027That's what Huey says in Peace Walker. He was a genius and already in university by the time he was 16.
>>747528059Otacon doesn't deserve Snake
>>747528095Right, that doesn't contradict that Granin's friend was Huey's dad.
>>747528074The game's not that serious. It's a Bond Movie with Big Boss
>>747528118Believe it or not anon, sometimes people are replying with information to supplement your argument, not counter it.
>>747527765>>747528074>hating on the absurdist camp that makes MGS great It's literally its charm factor, like JJBA. V being so grimdark is what made the series lose its SOVL
>>747527475>>747527543Otacon was 17 at the time of Huey's death (1997), though it's not mentioned how long the affair lasted.Interesingly enough, there's a datamined script of a cut series of recordings that imply Strangelove knew Julie Danziger (Emma's mother) and sent Hal to her, which lead to Huey meeting Julie, which lead to them marrying at some point, and also potentially implies that Emma is Huey's biological daughter. Not canon, of course, but still a bit interesting.
>>747525048he only had eyes for big boss' story at this point and gave no fucks about the modern characters any more
>>747525160Strangelove was the birth mom but remember, she got killed by Huey. Huey remarried, and THAT is who Hal fucked. So really it wasn't incest, but it's still insane.
>>747528095Nope. He only mentions his dad was born on the day of the Hiroshima bombing.
>>747528043This is the result of the series being forced to be longer than its creator intended. MGS2 was supposed to be the finale but Konami forced him to continue it which resulted in the creation of the whole Big Boss saga. Also you're retarded and the Big Boss saga is all slop.
>>747527852sex with jack
>>747528276Kojima doesn't deserve Solid Snake
>>747527834>Huey>suicideHow would Otacon know it was a suicide?
>>747528285>she got killed by HueyShe was killed by The Boss, unironically.
>>747528059I mean we have enough MGS games to know that all of it is intentional, I like the series but a lot of its story is just so bad (but in a good and fun way) sprinkled with bits of kino in it
>*never gets any credit in you're path*
>>747528237Too bad Kojima overtime couldn't figure out when the series is being camp and when things should be serious.>>747528043And the irony is all the progeny characters are far more interesting than their parents. We can infer from the events of MGS3 alone are what made Naked Snake cynical and turned him into Big Boss, and that's how he eventually broke from the US to start Outer Heaven in MG1. We didn't need three more games to pad that out.
>>747528335Does Raiden even know he's got child bearing hips that confuse heterosexual men?
>>747528558Dead meme, Fukushima only wrote some codec sequences.>>747528602President Johnson let him know.
>>747528385It's time to replace those old .gifs bro.
>>747528602surely
The betrayal wouldn't hurt so much if >she wasn't as attractive as she is>she didn't cure Sunny's selfish food prep habits>she didn't come on so strong to Hal and any players with similar disposition>she wasn't butt-slutting for Vamp and being very theatrical with how much she gasses him up before he runs out and kills people>Kojima didn't trip head over foot CONSTANTLY trying to get he player to listen to a woman who took the easy out yet feels it is her destiny/mission in life to tell men who have endured this far how to live/lead theirs>all those stupid post-death VLOGs as if a dead woman has anything of value to say>she doesn't>rudely has sex with the door open with as a dying man using a cig for a pacifier and an autistic child try to sleep inches awayNaomi is just the worst.
>>747528276On the contrary, Kojima loves Solid the most. It's just that your average mouthbreather doesn't realize he's being cynically pandered to with Big Boss slop. And it is slop. Slop is delicious and filling but its still slop.MGS4 was Kojima forcing Solid's story to a close so that Konami couldn't keep abusing him. He then used Big Boss to fulfill his corporate obligations in hopes he would one day be allowed to do anything fucking else. If you actually analyze the Big Boss saga it is not flattering and it actually humiliates the character.
He's a chadlite that can't into relationship
>>747527762E L E C T R O L Y T E S
>>747528558His name is in the credits, that's enough
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>>747528684>Raiden's cute understated reaction to being molestedIt would be so easy to groom him into being a cumdump...
>>747528716So in other words, fails at even pandering to Solid Snake fans.
>>747528671I considered it, but I like the quaintness and goofy sped-up version of it. The gif reflects the timeline.>MGS4 is almost 20 years old
>>747528602Kill yourself.
>>747528482>the boss rose from her grave to murder strangelove for no reasonbased
>>747528602he likes the attention
>>747528821Why would he be pandering to Solid Snake fans
defend
>>747528835>2026>still not being gay for Raidenngmi
>>747523101>Is this supposed to be a running gagObviously. >Randomly falls in loveHe's a loser dork who talks to like 2 or 3 people. She threw herself at him.
>>747529001liquid is actually a clone of the boss, not snake, zero lied
>>747528882That would be kino, but I meant the AI. Forgot to specify.
>>747529001>when ur cranking to tranny porn and liquid comes back to life
>>747528981Anon said so here >>747528716>Kojima loves Solid the most. It's just that your average mouthbreather doesn't realize he's being cynically pandered to with Big Boss slop.If Big Boss was just supposed to be a conduit for Solid Snake in order to appease fans who wanted more Snake, then Kojima failed at that, because it just came off as wanting everyone to like Big Boss more than Snake.
>>747526103only because Big Boss and Kaz are morons who deserved it
>>747528835Get out of here, tourist.
>>747529001It's so retarded it works
>>747529001You fought a floating psychic and a giant injun with a murder of crows that gave Snake LSD trips in MGS1.People who seethed at Liquid's arm are retarded.
>>747529001He's a good voice actor
>>747529119Ah I see you're illiterateWell, not much I can do about that
>>747529224bruh, there's a difference between some stock paranormal archetypes and ocelot going full looney tunes with a frankenstein arm
>>747529237Explain what that anon meant by "Big Boss was actually made to pander to Snake fans".
>>747529145>Kojima predicted grab them by the pussy
>>747529119I still like Solid far more than BB. He got consistently screwed over for things outside of his control, but still faced his problems and maintained a sense of hope through it all. I like that Snake never sought for greatness, he just wanted to live a simple life on his own terms.
>Metal Gear Solid/Rising prequel starring Solidus and Shota Jack never ever
>>747528835>expecting zero homosex in the metal gear thread
>>747529001It's stupid but so is the whole series and meant to imply Liquid is extremely powerful if not mystical. It's explained well.
>>747529001I loved hearing Cam Clarke's Liquid again, I don't even care if it's stupid>his jubilant "BROTHERS!" at the endKino
>>747528385>>747528671https://youtu.be/iwbZpFklCvo
>>747529353That would be pretty cool cause it would just be a blacks on whites war game but that's exactly why they'll never make it.
>>747525048I do the same when Kojima trips over himself to identify Solid Snake as genetically a Japanese man in spite of him acting, speaking and presenting culturally as some generic white guy. Trying to tie him down to make him Japanese feels so immensely try-hard that I outright ignore it.
>>747529353With the severe suffering Solidus goes through in 4, I'd almost think Kojima doesn't like him
>>747529468I think you might be on to something
>>747529298>bruh, the series where one man fights giant robots shaped like dinosaurs and anime mecha and a Russian with a revolver fetish TOTALLY WENT OVERBOARD WITH THE TALKING ARMThere's a lot retarded shit in MGS but the Arm fit in fine. It was ironically made retarded when it was replaced with a robotic one and Ocelot used hypnosis
>>747529451just like the series is a japanese take on shitty 80s western action movies, so is the protagonistpottery
>>747529001Weird shit like that isn't really out of place for the series. And then in MGS3 they even give a proper explanation since his father was The Sorrow.
>>747529737The one thing I hate about MGS is that everybody has to be linked to someone else.
>>747529451Oh you should and it's confirmed by 4 that a jap was only responsible for birthing him and liquid because big momma couldn't deliver but her eggs were used.
>>747529326That's why I like him too and it's why watching BB becoming bitter over like three or four games was a shitty substitute.
>>747529737>And then in MGS3 they even give a proper explanation since his father was The SorrowWhy did Kojima decide to turn the arm into retarded self induced psychotherapy shit?
>>747529737>And then in MGS3 they even give a proper explanation since his father was The Sorrow.Red herring.In fact you could reasonably guess it was all an act in 2.
>>747529451>I do the same when Kojima trips over himself to identify Solid Snake as genetically a Japanese man in spite of him acting, speaking and presenting culturally as some generic white guyIn fairness you could say the same shit about Jill from Resident Evil. Who looks zero percent Japanese despite the manual saying she has a Japanese mother. Then again the series focuses on the all American Chris nowadays so maybe that bit of her lore was swept under the rug.
>>747529353>your african representationyou rike?
>>747529353MGSV was this close to potentially having a shota Solidus considering Liquid and Solid Snake.
>>747529789That was a side effect of the Big Bossening of the storyline, I don't believe for one second that the Patriots of MGS2 were always supposed to be those faggots
>>747529737What was great is that it was never outright stated Ocelot inherited his dad's ghost powers, it was just something inferred.Then Kojima had to DUDE ROBOT ARMS AND HYPNOSIS LMAO
>>747529815I think BB was fresh and interesting in the '90s and early 2000's, but we've since been inundated with so many nihilistic characters in pop culture that it's gotten a bit old. Hopeful ones like Snake are actually refreshing now, especially during times when the real world gets shittier
>>747529914It wasn't an act in MGS2. He really was possessed. Since getting randomly possessed is actually bad he cuts the arm off again and gets a new one.
>>747529973He was a clone he was never a child.
>>747530036He was a child, just a rapidly growing child.
>>747529973He would've only been a shota by age, looks wise he would've probably been looking like a 20 year old or more as he aged even faster than Liquid and Solid.
>>747530071Nah
>>747529468I don't really think that was unique to Solidus, MGS4 in general is just a game about suffering. Everybody suffers. It never stops. Solid Snake tries to commit sudoku. Big Boss commits sudoku. Naomi commits sudoku. EVA commits sudoku. Zero is an egg-shaped vegetable who fucking dies. Solidus is a Big Boss-shaped vegetable who gets fucking burnt half-alive. Hell, the only people who get sort of happy endings are Liquid, Ocelot, Otacon, and Raiden.
>>747529973I wish we saw shota Solid Snake
>>747529819>Why did Kojima decide to turn the arm into retarded self induced psychotherapy shit?The same moment he decided all the Supernatural shit in the series was all actually scientific. And someones soul remining in their arm kind of makes sense under a supernatural lens, Under a scientific lens, an arm is just bones and flesh with no brain, no memory's and no personality, hence the psycho conditioning and self brainwashing as a replacement.
>>747529995>DUDE ROBOT ARMS AND HYPNOSIS LMAOI think the only twist shittier than that was "you weren't playing the real big boss, just a random goon" from MGS5
>>747528716>Kojima loves Solid the mostHe never understood Snake's popularity and said he wasn't even a real human being. This is from way back.
>>747529973Who cares>no gray fox>no sniper wolf
>>747530219Kojima says a lot of things, which is why you have to look at what he does.
>>747530214And least that was an idea unique unto MGS5, even if it seemed like a copout. The barrage of retcons and over-explaining shit in 4 were worse.
>>747529326>>747529815>>747530010What makes snake hit home harder nowadays is that most of our futures are fucked now. We're never getting what was promised to us as kids. But in spite of Snake not getting the future he deserved, he still found peace just existing as best as he could. Living in Alaska with his huskies, living a mundane life with Otacon and Sunny. He makes the best of what he has rather than go full depression and I find that inspiring.
>>747529976>I don't believe for one second that the Patriots of MGS2 were always supposed to be those faggotsit started with them but they themselves became pawns by that point apart from zero
>>747529353Shota Raiden would drain me dry so maybe it's for the better.
>>747530374In other words, another retcon Kojima wrote in an afternoon.
>>747530374You're a victim of Patriot information control. They successfully revised themselves out of public awareness. Everything beyond MGS2 is Patriot revision. "Tidy" endings to all the mysteries. Move along.
>>747530374Weren't the original Patriots replaced with AI versions of themselves?
>>747529973>>747530036>>747530071>>747530073Still baffles me to this day that "Venom" wasn't Solidus. The whole themes of legacy and child soldiers are from Solidus, pre-dating MGS3 and BB's obsession with The Boss. Makes no sense to transplant this storyline onto a random nigga and give him 1:1 facial surgery with a hint of mindrape. Just have the story be about Ocelot recruiting Solidus, who at that point is unaware of his heritage or what Big Boss even looks like, and them secretly setting him up to be a scapegoat, which itself ties into his role in MGS4. The story otherwise plays out largely the same anyway, with Solidus eventually finding out and embracing his identity. The only major change is that there's no tie-in to Metal Gear 1 and 2, because who the fuck even cares about how Big Boss survived?pic related, I thought for sure this shot from the trailer was setting him up, because it teases not just a "mirror image" but Solidus' missing left eye.Goddammit, Kojimbo.
>>747523948>>747523416Naomi made sense. Wasn't she playing Kojima 4D Chess to destroy the Patriots with her flash drive? So she hit on Otacon to manipulate him. Being a beta that he is, falling prey to her schemes is entirely believable.
>>747530682That'd have been so much better than what we got it's not even funny.
>>747530553to be fair, Kojima never wanted to answer everything to exhaustion but fans hounded him and spit on what he gave them and Konami kept forcing him to make MGS games with his other beloved franchises held hostage. Even offloading MGS to his handpicked retards at Konami continuously failed and he had to bail them out immediately.You can detect a hint of spite in everything he did from that point. "Oh, so you want Raiden to be BADASSSS cyborg ninja and disregard the entire subtext and character growth? FINE, I chop off his body and make him Gray Fox 2.0 and undo all character development, now he emo and spouts cool one liners!"Except he thought his foolish fans would hate getting their wish, instead they ate it up and demanded more.
>>747529001Funnily enough, the original plan to bring back Liquid was to have him fake his death from foxdie. I guess this was changed in favor of Ocelot, Solidus, and the Patriots being the main villains but that only begs the question of why Liquid had to come back in the first place…
>>747523101otacon falls in love at the drop of a hat, hes male bpd and the women cant help themselves
>>747530682The prerelease speculation frenzy was a wonderful time and 1000 times better than what we got, its an absolute shame. The trailers were so fucking good and it all turned out to be disappointing nothingburger. Damn you Kojima.
>>747531045Because he lives... through this arm!
>>747529638The giant robots, and psychics are ridiculous but they make sense in comic book logic. The zombie arm taking over Ocelot's mind never made sense, it just came out of nowhere and continued to go nowhere until Kojima did that retarded retcon in 4.
>>747530998Decades of excuses made for this guys bullshit, it's not Kojima's fault, it's the fans, it's Konami, it's his incompetent team!
>>747530682I've seen you post this like 3 times already
>>747531212It's all the above THOUGH
>>747531045Probably because sibling rivalry is a cool trope.
>>747531045because hes an interesting character and they regretted killing him. why couldnt they just have him cloned though.
Now that the dust has settled, what did Kojima mean by this?
>>747531343Clone a clone? Now you're just being ridiculous.
>>747530682I literally think the only reason Kojimbo came up with Venom Snake is he could give more tug on the Big Boss dick by saying>SEE! THE BIG BOSS YOU FIGHT IN OUTER HEAVEN WAS ACTUALLY SOME RANDOM DUDE WHO THINKS HE'S BIG BOSS! PLEASE DON'T ASK IF THE BIG BOSS ON THE RADIO WAS THE REAL ONE OR IF HE WAS ALREADY AT ZANZIBAR DO U RIKE IT?>>747530998The real problem is that Kojima doesn't know how to give fans what they want.>I chop off his body and make him Gray Fox 2.0Raiden becoming the next Gray Fox was kind of implied when he gets his sword in MGS2, assuming at that point Kojima would put him in another game.>>747531173>but they make sense in comic book logic.Yes, that perfectly, scientifically sound comic book logic.>The zombie arm taking over Ocelot's mind never made sense,But Mantis and Raven made total sense.>it just came out of nowhere and continued to go nowhere It's already been mentioned: Ocelot inherited his dad's ghost powers, which in can include things like channeling spirits. In other words, "comic book logic".
>>747531343>because hes an interesting characterLiquid? Are you serious? He was a scenery chewing himbo and totally one note. He was literally just having a nonstop tantrum and MGS1 expended all value his character had.
>>747531279
>smart black man becomes mgs biggest villainOtacon is the only good nerd in this series
>>747531527i mean from their perspective. they took enormous leaps in logic to get him back.
Would've been funny to have a bunch of recursive Liquid clones running around, each of them butthurt over the fact that they're cloned from a clone from a clone...
>>747531107>prerelease speculation frenzy was a wonderful time and 1000 times better than what we got, its an absolute shame.I'll never forget even after Sutherland was announced as Not Big Boss, there was some glimmer of hope Hayter was going to cameo as a young Solid Snake, like in a tape recording of Snake just before he goes off on his first mission to Outer Heaven.>>747531658I'm with >>747529976 and refuse to believe any prior characters are the Patriots. The series effectively ends at Snake Eater.
>>747531364>Snake's womb
>>747531490What I want to know is why Big Boss even returned to FOXHOUND and trained Solid Snake. Hell, why did The Patriots let him?
>>747531859This was all stuff that was supposed to be answered in MGSVInstead we got THE REAL BIG BOSS IS YOU, THE PLAYER
>here's your snake, bro
>>747531859A story cut short due to various things at Konami and Kojimbo Lucas during MGSV's development.
>>747531753Para Medic being responsible for Gray Fox is so incongruous with her character that it's mind boggling anyone could come up with it.
>>747531946>THE REAL BIG BOSS IS YOU, THE PLAYERNow that you mention it, I would not be surprised at all if Kojima played Spec Ops The Line and thought that game's "story" was deep and wanted to mimic that shallow bullshit.
>>747530023>could this multi time double agent that randomly started acting like another character be putting on an act?>no, it has to be true!He was never possessed.
>>747530239Pointless fanservice
>>747532103she wasn't, that got retconned
>>747532131He was. Got spirit channeling powers from his pops.
>>747532184When?
>>747523101Otacon is my favorite gaming tech nerd, I love geeky nerds who talk about their Japanese Animes.
>>747531960Disgusting
>>747531490>Raiden becoming the next Gray Fox was kind of implied when he gets his sword in MGS2, assuming at that point Kojima would put him in another game.MGS2 ended on a pretty damn hopeful tone for Raiden so him getting butchered into a cyborg freak of his own volition because he got cucked by the real Colonel (but not really tehe) was just not implied at all and is just a grotesque fate for a character that didn't really do anything wrong but was still hated by fans because he replaced Snake for one game and was a bit faggy. Remember Raikov?I'm convinced that this shit was just meanspirited fanservice on Kojima's part. Which was so successful it spawned a much loved spinoff...
>>747532231She was retconned into being Dr. Clark
>>747530682Yea I'm not reading all that but that's a stupid idea.
>>747531490>Yes, that perfectly, scientifically sound comic book logicYou're too autistic to understand what I'm saying. "comic book logic" means there is still logic in this fictional world, even it is meant to fantastical and ridiculous, i.e. Superman won't randomly turn into a chicken and start laying eggs without a proper explanation>it's already been mentioned: Ocelot inherited his dad's ghost powers, which in can include things like channeling spirits. In other words, "comic book logic".I'm aware the retroactive explanation was that Ocelot always secretly had super ghost powers that we never see him use except in this one inconvenient instance, it's a stupid ass pull
>>747531364>mfw reading this
>>747532408Yeah, so she did it.
>>747532479>completely ignore that it's a retconok
>>747532408bruh
>>747523101>Is this supposed to be a running gagMan phoneposters sure are perceptive
Favorite Girl/Woman from Metal Gear?
>>747532445So where's the logic behind Vulcan Raven's hallucinogenic birds?
>>747530821>>747531107>>747531490It's also worth noting as well that Eli is basically just Raiden's origin story copy-pasted, even down to their nicknames, White Devil/Mamba. The same way Venom adopts and tries to teach Eli is what Solidus did with Jack, albeit with a few different circumstances.
>>747523101>>MGS2 he randomly reveals he fucked his stepmotherHe's Cody Schwab
>>747532591After what they did to Meryl, Paz
>>747531960>>747532336There's a certain kindness in Snake's face that I can't place, but it's always lacking in a lot of modern takes on him.
>>747532543Are you stupid? The point was turning a goofball like her into the evil Dr Clark. What are you having trouble with here?
>>747532408He was canonically male in as mentioned in MGS1. So is Paramedic a tranny too?
>>747532591For me, it's:PazThe BossSniper WolfMei LingRaiden
>>747531364>Old Snake is not the same solid snake anymore>The foxdie he still carries mutates so it can kill everyone>Snake saved the world but is a threat in the end, just like big bosshow's that
>>747532668see>>747532707Before the retcon it was a dude. Do you still want to keep being retarded?
>>747532217Retarded fanfiction that only got started because of the shitty English dub.
>>747532707Wouldn't really be that crazy all things considered, both cybernetics and troonery involve extreme mutilation of the body and total disregard for medical ethics
>>747532707I think the idea was that Dr. Clark was so elusive that nobody ever met him so they assumed he was male
>>747532793Did you even read the first post I wrote, what fucking point are you even trying to make?
>>747532668The point is turning Paramedic into Dr. Clark is not only a retcon, it's also retarded both thematically and that Dr. Clark was a dude.>>747532868Also a retcon.
>>747523101its kojimas self insert retard
>>747530998>You can detect a hint of spite in everything he did from that point. "Oh, so you want Raiden to be BADASSSS cyborg ninja and disregard the entire subtext and character growth? FINE, I chop off his body and make him Gray Fox 2.0 and undo all character development, now he emo and spouts cool one liners!"Don't forget Snake is now an invalid cripple and Mr.Poopypants gets the girl
>>747530239My headcanon is that Sniper Wolf was the lovechild of Quiet and Venom, despite one being a parasite-laden burn victim and the other being infertile. Just...don't question it.
>yfw when you realize OLD SNAKE is actually SOLID SNAKE ("SNAKE IS OLD")
>>747532868That's stupid because Naomi helped cover up the murder.
>>747523101>MGS5 he randomly hires a woman called Stephanie Joosten who he defends being half naked>No wait...How have you not figured out he was just Kojima's self insert yet? So naturally he's an unrealistic nerdy lady's man whose life doesn't make any sense whatsoever retrospectively.
>>747532623Originally I the supernatural was a part of MGS alot of the more fantastical elements were toned down, rewritten, or just outright retconned over time.
>>747532805Nope, by MGS3 Kojima had kicked retards like Blaustein and Kaku to the curb and was supervising the translation process (i.e. he demanded anyone Konami hired they stick to his script).
>>747532989Wayne Waxman is actually kino.
>>747532623
>>747529001its true if i believe it
>>747532918That's why I said it was incongruous with her character and mind boggling that it was written that way.
>>747533024So why can't Ocelot have a supernatural element with his arm? Did you take issue with Fortune's powers possibly being real?
>>747532896>tripling down on being sub zero IQsee>>747532918Dr. Clark was a dude for years until the retcon happened when paramedic wasn't even created as a character. You going to quadruple down on being a dumb faggot?
>>747533041It has nothing to do with the script you fucking retard.
>>747532920Kojima self inserts himself as himself
>>747533078Is that supposed to be an argument?
>>747533129Jesus Christ you can't actually read can you?
metal gear solid 6: liquid returns as a hand after ocelot cut him off and is revealed to be controlling the new villain Ratatouille-style (the villain talks in a different voice for the entire game up until Liquid's role is revealed, whereupon he sounds exactly like Cam Clarke)do you like it
>>747533151Then what point are you trying to make retard?
>>747533301In the JP version Ocelot's voice doesn't change in MGS2. Him sounding like Liquid is a product of the shitty English dub.
What I don't get is what Liquid Hand actually added to the narrative, it seems like something that was just absurd for the sake of it and was ultimately just distracting from story elements that mattered and they ended up spending more effort trying to explain it than actually going anywhere with it.
>>747533206You asked, I told you, you refuse to listen.
>>747533431Well, the game came out in America first.
>>747533454>they ended up spending more effort trying to explain itIt gets 2/3 sentences tops.
>>747529368It was a russian taunt.
>>747533119I'm not him I have a different argument entirely but it's still a retcon. Originally it was just Liquid taking over his arm the MGS story being written in reverse is why the story started getting worse and worse. Kojima wrote the present then decided to write the past in his actual future from that present then later on decided to change the stories past from his future. You see how much of a mess this can make? Even making any value judgements on the supposed laws of the universe is idiotic because the writers do not even care enough about the established rules of this universe to follow them.
>>747533512Irrelevant.
>>747533201Yes, my whole point is that the game gave an actual explanation. The writers didn't randomly make him a mystical shaman years afterward to retroactively explain why he could control birds
>>747529368>zero homosex
>>747523101haven't you gotten the memo that mgs is just "memes" repeating themselves over time
>>747533589>Yes, my whole point is that the game gave an actual explanation.You posted Naomi giving a description of Raven, not an explanation for how or why he has his powers. No, raised as a shaman isn't an explanation either, shaman aren't real magicians.
>>747533727>shaman aren't real magiciansprooooofs?
>>747533727next you're gonna say theres no such thing as black magic
>>747533727>shaman aren't real magicians.They are in the Metal Gear universe, that's what "comic book logic" is. I already explained this
>shaman
>>747533727He's also a giant.
>>747533925So if injun religious leaders are in fact able to practice magic because they... just can, then people in the MGS universe can also have arms that control them because they... just can.See how "comic book logic" is a retarded argument?>>747534073At least that's definitely plausible, there have been people that grow to 6'11 or more.
>>747533925If they're a known quality why don't they come up more often? Being able to paralyze people with sight sounds like it'd be a good skill to teach operatives.
>>747533540>Russian tuantWonder if Ocelot hated that Snake was nothing like his gay crush
>>747534131
>>747534191there probably just not that many eskimo shamans much less ones that will sign up for your black ops spook unitalso I dont think his shamanism actually came into play much, it was his giantism that let him lug around a fucking aircraft cannon
>>747534191you cant teach genes
>>747534131>>747534462pls stop
Why didn't Snake just hide the cigarettes up his ass?
>>747534526He paralyzed Snake just by looking at him. The only reason why he didn't kill him right there is because he wanted a good fight.All it would take is one shaman willing to teach the skills necessary and you could have a whole army of dudes with magic powers.>>747534575I think it something that can be taught but even if it was genes the entire POINT of the Genome Army was to mix and match genes predisposed to good qualities in a soldier.
>>747534171>So if injun religious leaders are in fact able to practice magic because they... just can, then people in the MGS universe can also have arms that control them because they... just can.The game is implying that legends of shamans performing aren't just legends, and that magic is in fact real, that's the not the same thing as amputated arms spontaneously gaining consciousness. >but the explanation is Ocelot was born with ghost powers...That would be acceptable if that aspect of his character was explicitly set up earlier, but the way it's presented comes off like a retroactive ass pull, and frankly lame
Why was he blond?
>>747532987Maybe she was told to do it via text?
>>747534828>but the explanation is Ocelot was born with ghost powers...Funniest part? He wasn't.
>>747534858nanomachines
>>747534828So if magic, the supernatural, things that defy the known limitations and known logic of the material world, can exist in Metal Gear, then so can an arm that somehow can control its host. Which was also given a supernatural explanation.>That would be acceptable if that aspect of his character was explicitly set up earlier, but the way it's presented comes off like a retroactive ass pull, and frankly lameSo your problem is just the way it's presented, not it actually being present. If Ocelot had a magic arm in MGS1, you'd be ok with it.
>>747535158>Ctrl f>nanomachines>1 of 1 matchSome kind of record surely.
>>747535120I know but that was the original explanation before Kojima "fixed" it>>747535260>So your problem is just the way it's presented, not it actually being present. If Ocelot had a magic arm in MGS1, you'd be ok with it.Yeah
>>747535260would you feel the same way about a portal to Narnia
>>747535369No, the original explanation was the Sorrow passing down his ghost powers to Ocelot. Kojima "fixing it" was the stupid hypnosis shit. That anon's just shitposting>YeahSorry you argued about nothing this whole time.
>>747535471>the original explanation was the Sorrow passing down his ghost powers to OcelotIt wasn't, and only retards try to make this excuse because the Sorrow wasn't even conceptualized in MGS2.
>>747535471>Kojima "fixing it" was the stupid hypnosis shitwouldn't be the first time a jap auteur who hated his fans spitefully killed off a fan theory
Mei-Ling and Naomi dropping the accents in 4 was such a bad decision
>>747526306This.
>>747528907>no bulgeLame.
>>747535471Arguing is good for the soul
>>747535648>raiden technically doesn't have a dick anymore
>>747535602That was a carry over from Twin Snakes, as they couldn't use the audio from the PS1 because it wasn't recorded properly.>Mei-Ling Her accent never made sense considering she's from Berkley. Naomi was a downgrade though.
>>747535675Not really nourishing for the soul when your argument is "comic book logic" and you can't tell the difference between an explanation and a description. Maybe you're ESL, in which case, I'm sorry.
>>747535752That's a glass half empty way to look at it. Rather, now he can have whatever he wants installed down there.
>>747535762I know Mei Ling's accent was arguably racist and silly, but goddammit, it was cute>I can't believe I'm getting hit on by the famous Solid Snek~
>>747527919Also this.
>>747529376Uh, no, because it's later revealed that Ocelot had brainwashed himself into thinking he was Liquid to fool the Patriots or something.
>>747523101>MGS2 he randomly reveals he fucked his stepmotherI'm pretty sure he was technically raped since he wasn't of age at that point.
>>747535752His body in 4 being made to look like he's wearing a leotard was peak character design.
>>747535973Depends on the state.
>>747535848if you got filtered by the concept of comic book logic then maybe video games are too complex for you. Might I suggest something more simple?
>>747536197He was born 1980, she was born 1991, the pool incident was 1997, Otacon would have been 17 and she would have been 6.
>>747536452Yes anon I'm sure his stepmother was 6.
>>747536552I meant to say Emma was born in 1991.. His Stepmother was not six. As that would have made Huey a pedophile.
>>747535602Mei-ling doesn't make sense, Naomi was acting. The real tragedy was Nastasha not coming back except for a couple throwaway lines
>>747536342If you think comic logic is an argument for anything I can see why you need a caretaker.
>>747536640Did she go into hiding after the book, or am I misremembering.
>>747535752God, he was so hot in 4, literally the only redeeming feature of that game.
>>747536639It STILL depends on the state bro.
>>747536640Naomi's white though, why bring up the whole thing about her grandfather being in the FBI. Or is she just really bad at making up lies?
>>747535752does he still have his bussy at least
>>747523101>Nerd falls in love with every woman he comes into close contact with
>>747536762>book was written to spite her ex who just got cucked by the Patriots
>>747536452This nigger was 17 playing House with a 6 year old?
>>747536762She went into hiding post Shadow Moses, then wrote the book then hid again.>>747536892I dunno, Snake wasn't much better bullshitting as SAS in MGS2
>>747530359Beyond based take. We're all gonna make it, bros
>>747523101he also says his family is cursed
>>747535973Niiiiice
>>747536967He was trying to LARP as Delta Force then used the SAS Motto then Stillman called him out. Also he said he went in via boat when Delta Force fastroped in via chopper.
>>747536967>>747537170>Snake wasn't much better bullshitting as SAS in MGS2Simper fi, anons.Honestly, was Snake that retarded when it came to military lingo, or did Snake think Raiden and Peter were rookie enough to not know what Marines and SAS say?
>>747537170>>747537281This is what happens when you spend too much time around Hal
>>747533062But its *wane or it makes no sense kek
>>747537281I think its mostly that Snake is left as a relatively blank slate insofar as not knowing basic things a special forces guy should know only so it can be exposited at him for the benefit of you, the player.
>>747537386>>747537516What's funny is how in the start of the Tanker, Snake deduces the boat is hijacked by Russians just by their fucking haicuts. >Russians?>You sure?>No Marine barber touched that head of hair...He's so autistic about military shit, from around the world no less, he can deduced who is serving what by their fucking hair, but he somehow mixes up well known jargon used by US Marines and British SAS.
>>747537281It’s in his genes to be a terrible liar look at Vic Boss’s lame excuses in Peace Walker
>>747536793His face was beautiful in 4, so soft and pretty while still being so much cooler than his face in 2>he suffered twink death in Revengeance
>make Raiden extra sexy >give him extremely homoerotic fight with Vamp>the part where he stabs himself and Vamp together literally looks like gay sexBased Kojima.
>>747537634Fair point, not to mention how bad he tries to hide his flirting with Meryl.
There's no way kojimbo isn't at least a little bicurious...
>>747537663I *should* be repulsed by the extensive cybernetic modifications the Patriots put him through, but the robo-mandible thing is just too cute with the little teefs.
>>747537501Wayne works better because it's an actual name and it functions as a homophone.
>>747537663raiden’s design peaked in MGS4especially with his trenchcoat
>>747538031Snake is pretty good at flirting with women, he just drops the charms and pushes them away/reminds them he's not that great once they start warming up. Big Boss was just autistic and still had everyone fall in love with him without trying
>>747538218In terms of coolness, I still think Gray Fox is peak design, but Raiden in a trench coat is a close second
>>747538057>but the robo-mandible thing is just too cute with the little teefs.Exactly. Carrying around his sword in his mouth was so cute too, like a loyal puppy.
>>747538602By God that is cute…
>>747538263All the more reason Solid is the superior protag, makes an honest effort to charm the ladies (even when he doesn't have to), while his dad has pussy handed to him.
>>747538769Everyone has great lashes in this game, I even noticed Old Snake has lashes
>>747538602Exactly! Fuck, for years I thought I was sick fuck for being so into it.
I only just realized Sigint and DARPA chief were the same guy.
the gays have ruined this thread
>>747539146MGS4 is easily the most visually beautiful game in the franchise. I wish more modern games would blend animu and realism like MGS4 does
>>747539581I think the only character design I didn't like in 4 was Naomi's, but everything else looked amazing. Aside from Kaz and Venom, I didn't care for any of the designs in V
>>747526103He killed StrangeloveBut he didnt betray MSF, theres no conclusive evidence and it makes zero sense of Huey, a coward, to approach Diamond Dogs himself and ask Snake for a rescue, he would never want to be in the same room as Snake or Kaz ever again if he did it, the entire thing is Kaz looking for a scapegoat for being outplayed
Is this the biggest downgrade in mgs history?
I want a game where Solid, Liquid, and Solidus hang out together
>>747539812>cute english accent gonewhat the fuck were they thinking?
>>747539812I don't understand why she suddenly became a slutty whore who wears open blouses without a bra and fucks two different men
>>747539560It's an Otacon thread, he's got to be the least interesting character in the franchise, what did you expect?
>>747529001Liquid Ocelot in 4 should have had Cam Clarke too
>>747539812well they at least fixed her huge forehead, but that's about it
>>747540331This, did Clarke just not want to come back?
>>747539812>animu face vs realistic representation of feminine beautyI think you might be retarded, anon.
>>747540331He shouldn't have been in MGS2 at all.
>>747540719It's not just the realism, it's the fact that her character became a horny skank.
>>747532591da frogs
>>747541235>army made up of women run by a gay man
Did Ocelot actually think he was Liquid or was it acting?
>>747523101it was to foreshadow him being a hot stud during Rising and getting all the chicks now that Snake is dead
>>747541656the FROGs were probably Liquid’s idea doe
>>747523101>he still taking the lore seriously
>>747528027Its Huey, the guy IS a genius and almost unrivaled in the field (since Granin died)
>>747541797In MGSV he yaps on about doublethink throughout the whole game so yes he believed he was Liquid the whole time until the glass shattered right before he died
>>747541803Liquid strikes me as being asexual at most though
>>747527852
>>747541803Liquid was dead for years before they were created.
>>747540126Jennifer Hale went full Krusty since Twin Snakeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7-zGQ6t9ks
>>747523101Did Otacon fuck Mei Ling?
>>747542575He actually didhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyh1CxjgZEMAnd in revengence Sunny mentions he's been hitting the gym and is a ladies man now, but keeps them at arms length cause they always die
>>747542575If he did, I'll fucking kill him. Mei Ling is MINE
Mgs4 is most dogshit game i ever playedTruly a hate letter to gaming itself
>>747542647Eh, I took this as them being friends who do nerdy shit together.
>>747539812
>>747539812the original MGS codecs simply cannot translate to 3D much less realistic 3DAnd eitherway a ton of time had passed between the two
>>747523101i do this as a 35 year old virgin. if a girl shows me even a modicum of attention i fall in love instantly.
>>747523101>>MGS2 he randomly reveals he fucked his stepmotherqrd????????????
>>747542863>qrdmore like tmi
>>747542863she came onto him okay it wasn't his fault ugh
>>747542863The final insult
>>747542863>Otacon's pathetic evil dad remarries a woman>new wife has a daughter named Emma>Emma falls in love with Otacon>but Otacon, who was underage, was having sex with his stepmom>evil pathetic dad finds out >tries killing himself and Emma by drowning>successfully kills himself, but Emma lives>she goes on to hate Otacon forever for not being there to save her because he was too busy fucking her mother
I genuinely find myself hating Otacon more with the passage of time.
>>747526103He's literary J*wish, Anon. The red flags we're there before the shit show even started.
>>747523101Why is everyone so fucking mean to Snake in this game? He did nothing to deserve the bullying.
>>747543463meh, I hate Kojima's writing moreI went through the epic clusterfuck that is MGS4 and enjoyed it well enough. However what pissed me off the most was not the final cutscene or the stupid twists. At the very end Snake is saying goodbye to Otacon or some shit, and this fucker has the nerve to call him a man-made "beast". I thought these guys were supposed to be lifelong friends and he just drops this insult out of nowhere. God, I hate Kojima's autism.
I really would like to know Kojima's intentions behind the EmmerichsIt's like he hates otaku so much he created an otaku character for the sole purpose of humiliation and tortureIt's so bad that by the time MGS4 rolls around and all the characters get tortured and humiliated, everything that happens to Otacon in it barely even registers as unusual because its usually a whole lot worseAnd then Kojima explores his family tree and Huey is even worse than Otacon, being a complete ratfuck piece of shit
>>747532336maybe it's the way he is squinting? in both pics he is squinting but in the mgs2 one he certainly looks more affable and relaxed, even if it's a serious situation
introvert loser otaku feels in live with any girl who shows a little interest in him?Nah totally never happened before
>>747523101>invents random sex>sequel to casual sexsounds legit
I’m still so fucking mad. All they had to do was to make him the Deep State’s fixer. None of this vocal cord parasite BS or domino mask
>>747543979That's why I hate Otacon, Snake deserved a better friend.
>>747525872It has to have been longer than that. Otacon mentions that she let him feed the wolves sometimes. And that she was nice to him unlike with others.
>>747527192IT'S NOT A BOAT, IT'S A RAFT!
>>747544386everything was disappointing and gay compred to the kino trailers, it's actually sort of impressive
>>747539812Naomi said she had dark skin but for some reason she doesn't in 4
>>747544628>Kojima has all these young sexy women throw themselves at a disinterested tired old man SnakeWhat did he mean by this?
>>747535762>That was a carry over from Twin SnakesIs twin snakes supposed to be canon then? Now I'm even more upset it's locked away on the cube.
>>747530682Nah man.... it's because it's (You)............. la creatividad is just off the chart.......... since this is a video game.......... and you control big boss..... you ARE big boss...... this is so fucking deep bro my mind is officially blown........... WE are big boss............ a tear ran down my face, we should give his studio feet scanning technology
>>747544783stooooooooooooop you're hurting him
>>747530998All Kojima had to say was "I quit"
>>747545259He didn't want to quit, he wanted to make a new Boktai
>>747544783>>747545215I can't play this game, I don't like seeing a nice old man suffer
>>747544628>>747544783>it's very clear naomi doesn't wear a bra in MGS4.>that means a FROG talked one of her own into taking off her bra to lure Snake into a trap.clever girls... I always fall for it on purpose.
>>747543994>animesImmersion broken. A real otaku would know that anime is both singular and plural, only a tourist would call them "animes."
>>747545697>psyche meter runs low>he starts vomiting and having PTSD flashbacks
>>747546035Nooooo, he does? Why would he include such a cruel mechanic?
>>747546138its ok, if you let him sit in the shade and eat cookies his psyche goes back up
>>747546505>if you let him sit in the shade and eat cookiesIs that an actual mechanic? Sounds cute
>>747546505>getting in your cardboard box reduces stressKino.
>>747545950No SOLDIER would be wearing a fancy pink bra.
>>747546719Yeah, violence and discomfort lowers psyche and causes all sorts of negative effects but eating good food, being comfy, listening to your music player, staring at dirty magaizines, all replenish Snake's psyche.It's sort of an underrated mechanic largely because MGS4 is 90% movie and also its sort of undertuned and easy to circumvent with meds.
>>747546771What if all your other ones were in the wash?
>>747546771War has changed
>>747546881>essentially treating old Snake like a TamagotchiGenuinly cute, I want this as a separate game
>>747529298>>747531173I am not a comic book fan who memorizes entire catalogues worth of series but I have seen a significant amount of cursed objects possessing people for a myriad of reasons and in a number of ways. Just because the arm is grafted now doesn't mean some sort of psychic curse couldn't mess Ocelot up.
>>747529093The pod doesn't have control over the lock that Huey refused to open
>>747544019It is his cheeks.
>>747531960He looks fat here
>>747546725>the Snakes love the box because they're all autistic and find comfort being alone in a safe space
>>747549037>The real reason why Big Boss lost it was because people got in the box with him and he was highly uncomfortable with that
>>747537281>>747537614I always assumed Snake was saying that just because it is a common saying people would understand. I always felt the Peter was just a paranoid fucker and didn't point out the obvious fact that Snake isn't British.
>>747529809That's the opposite of what happens. EVA grows the twins in her actual womb after using SUPERIOR NIPPONESE OVA.
Kojima was just exposing the fact that the most powerful weapon of mass destruction in war is women.
>>747549258>just trying to enjoy some down time in your love box>some horny not-teenager girl climbs in and has sex with you>grumble to yourself afterward and try again>next thing your second in command climbs in and has sex with youBig Boss had a hard life.
LOL
>>747550054Why was Ocelot such a goofy scamp in 4? Liquid didn't behave like that
>Men can't fall in love with women because.... Uhhhhh... Like..... It's bad or something
>>747523101When will mgs4 get good?Just finish ch4 and it feels like I'm watching a you cringe you lose compilation
>>747550232There's still at least 2-3 more hours to go. 15 minutes of it gameplay.
>>747550187otacon would fall for a cashier that made eye contact with him
>>747549969He's genuinely so autistic and disinterested in sex with Eva in 3 that I wasn't sure if he just forced himself to fuck her to get her to stop being weird towards him and go away
>>747550521You're retarded.
>>747550508just like nu-/v/edditors
>>747550508And that's bad because???
>>747550568>EVA, I need you>s-say that again....>I need you...I can't fly the wig by myself Come on, the fucker is turbo autistic
>>747528564>We can infer from the events of MGS3 alone are what made Naked Snake cynical and turned him into Big BossAnon, there's a Grand Canyon between "I'm cynical against my government" to "I'm making an army of child soldiers." So no, MGS3 did not explain remotely why he fell to the depths he did.
THESE SWORD CONTROLS IN MGS2 ARE SO FUCKING DOGSHIT OH MY GOD.
>>747523491MGS2 has the best writting in the series. The worst will always be MGSV and PW
>>747526185Nothing after mgs3 is canon. Unironically
>>747550739No, he's just focused on the job at hand and not fucking around.
>>747526846You have no idea what you are talking about lmao. These games are not made for retards like you. You are not a film student. You are just a moron who thinks he grasps critical thinking while saying inane nonsense.
>>747551795how are people this dense? You tilt analog stick to any direction and hold l1 to block. You can also stab with r3. How is this hard you stupid fuck?
>>747551795Metal Gear lost its soul when it stopped having dogshit controls (and fixed cameras)
>>747552301Because Raiden moves when you attack, meaning you will whiff a shitton of the time.
>>747545198No, it's just a resource for pulling cleaner sounding audio.
>>747549969>tfw you're just in your happy box thinking bout Santa Claus and there's a conga line of subordinates waiting to climb in and rape you
>>747552415well yeah? so position yourself properly. Whiffing is your fault
>Damn that's crazy>Anyways better keep walking to my fucking 9-5If there weren't cops investigating solidus I would be convinced that this entire thing didn't happen and was all a schizo dream GW gave Raiden through nanomachines.
>>747552478What cops? It was all a simulation. The game told you so. MGS4 is a retcon.
>>747552474>go to reposition>Solidus and/or tengu crew has recovered from their whiff and now is back to blocking
>>747552478MGS2 is filled with moments where people around the main characters act weird, like the guards who miraculously don't bump into Raiden when he's next to Ames.
>>747552537dios mio man. Dont know what to tell you. Learn to play video games
>>747552478Before the Big Bossening and ensuing MGS4 lore holocaust, MGS2 was really ambiguous about what was real and what wasn't, it was one of the major motifs of the game and I think even during the credits you were supposed to be unsure in a way that felt similar to MGS1's ending regarding Snake's uncertain future infected with FOXDIE. At least that's how I remember it.
>>747552736>MGS2 was really ambiguous about what was real and what wasn'tThat's not the case at all.
>>747552784Blatantly fucking with the game UI and not giving a definite answer to anything is being ambiguous Anon. Ambiguity doesn't necessarily mean subtlety.
>>747552736Snake's speech at the end of MGS2 was the most kino put to gaming.
>>747552824Are you one of those retards that thinks Rose was never a real person or is confused about when she was replaced by an AI despite there being a clear and obvious indicator? Because it sounds like you are.MGS1 fucked with the game plenty but you never see anyone going "wtf is this real???"
>>747552784I have zero reasons to care about what you just posted>>747552914LMAO instant validation
>>747553021Yeah idiots who throw blatantly false shit out in the open tend not to care about the truth.
damn this sperg went full melty in record time
>>747552607>>747552736>>747552784>>747552824>>747552885>>747552914>>747553021>>747553093>>747553150samefag
>>747552784>>747552914goes from making a completely contentless post to putting words in someone's mouth and acting like a complete shitheadAnd now he probably wants to have a bad faith debate
>>747552914Rose is replaced shortly after she admits to being pregnant. As the AIs themselves reveal in their threats, Rose is real and that is a thing that did happen. Nobody questions Rose being real, what they question is WTF is happening after Raiden loses consciousness as it quickly escalates to batshit insanity when he wakes up and things happen deliberately that makes both Raiden and (you) question everything as being reality or a simulation. Like Fortune showing she did have something supernatural or sword fighting the president while in the middle of an AI lecture simultaneously gaslighting Raiden into compliance.or how convenient it is that Rose is just standing in the middle of the road next to what crash landed into the city.
>>747553387>Nobody questions Rose being realSome people do.>Like Fortune showing she did have something supernaturalBro this is the same series with Psycho Mantis.
Not this shit again
>>747553567>mantis randomly shows up in 5 as nostalgiawank for no good reason
>>747553590Look I don't care about powers being unexplained, but it is just plain stupid to think that people were completely okay with telekinesis in one game only to go "WTF IS THAT REAL?!?!?!?!" when it shows up in the next game. It's literally the same power. Hell Vamp is way more supernatural and he's around for most of the game so it's not like you can even say that there's a point where the game suddenly gets weird.
>>747523101didn't he say he wanted to fuck his sister in mgs2
>>747553790Its implied she had a crush on him but that he was old enough to tell her no, and thats one of the reasons she got pissed because he didn't see her 'as a real woman'.
>>747553790No, Emma was the one who wanted to fuck him, Otacon wasn't interested
>The last words his sister hears right before she dies is "Whats wrong with E.E?"
>>747553950That part made me laugh, otacon is such a dumbass
>>747553790They used to play "house."
>>747553967As though karma instantly came to punch him in the face then the parrot scene happens right after and he immediately breaks.
>>747553606he's more important than half the characters in 5, it's just that the plotline is garbage dogshit and the "metal gear" had to be super special for some reasonthere was supposed to be more stuff with Eli right?
>>747554224There was but even with the cut content put back in it wouldn't really explain it past fanservice. Volgin too to a smaller extent. MGS V didn't really know what it wanted to be between the supernatural shit and the language virus.
>>747525767Didn't she converted to working for Snake's side after interacting with Sunny, she's the one that taught and allowed sunny to create FOXALIVE, instead of completely destroying GW like ocelot wanted.It is stupidly confusing because she's also playing quadriple spy like Ocelot but she switched side mid-game to work for the legacy of Philanthropists (while pretending to backstab them), instead of continuing to work for Big Boss's legacy (while pretending to be a Patriot's prisoner who fell in love with the captor).
>>747554338No, she always intended to help Snake. Her original plan was to get Otacon to help.
>>747553786Ocelot revealing that the cassette player looking thing she was carrying around is actually technology perfectly replicating telekinesis puts all of her accomplishments into doubt. Revealing she is telekinetic to that same guy's surprise just makes it ambiguous. Just like the rest of the last part of the game.
>>747554537There is no ambiguity there. You might think it's contrived as fuck but you shouldn't be questioning reality.Again, Vamp exists for all of the Big Shell chapter and does way crazier shit.
>>747554603Presenting contradictory information about something you established as a fact in-story and then not giving a definite answer is ambiguity. This is actually the most basic way to do it. Pointing fingers at other shit because it is weird and is there doesn't change that.
>>747554746The device was turned off.She deflects missiles.She has psychic powers all along.There's nothing ambiguous there.
The sheer setup to MGS2 should be enough to make you question it and how much happened. Arsenal gear is huge. Like unfathomably big. And it was created to be discarded, for a simulation to stress test an AI. The scope of that far exceeds shadow moses. And the simulation, which had all of this time and resources put into it as it was set up, was made to fail. Raiden would not have succeed without the help of Snake, who was not factored into it. Solidus would have won, and GW/Patriots would have spent all that time to make their own graves.
>>747554509No that's because she was working as a team Big Boss, and she wanted a virus that would completely destroy GW.She had intentions of helping Snake in a way how Eva was helping them, the conflict of interest of wanting to destroy Patriots. They would've went against each other after the Patriots were destroyed because Big Boss's legacy is bringing chaos.After meeting Sunny she decided to let her decide the future instead of involving her in a proxy war between two old men, which resulted with FOXALIVE virus that didn't completely destroy GW.
>>747554974yeah but psychics exist so hur dur checkmate
>>747552585You must be Ames.
>>747554829Your memory is fucked up, Ocelot outright says she is psychic only that her talent wasn't supposed to be able to do that.
I wish MGS4 was just a simulation
>>747535885It's really funny how MGS1 starts with Snake effortlessly flirting with Naomi and Mei Ling but MGS2 starts with Rose being passive aggressive about Raiden not remembering the day they met while he's on a mission.
>>747555181She deflected those missiles bro. She always had powers.
>>747555335Yet Snake flirting was even more artificial than Jack's fake relationship with Rose
>>747555310>these are the four great men who helped save western civilization
>>747555419Is Snake flirting just him trying to live up to the legend behind his name before showing the harsh reality that he's just a guy who wants to be free from this shit?
>>747555379No she didn't bro. That is why she dies like a bitch.
>>747555537I only realized how much of a ripoff MGS 1 really was on another playthrough. The premise is literally Escape from New York.
>>747555310imagine MGS4 sequel where FOXALIVE didn't exist and you play as resurrected Big Boss having fun with his boys going about with the war torn world, while Snake is fucking dead.
>>747555310Why did they carve old snake and not regular snake?
>>747534858He got the recessive genes.Kojima's understanding of what dominant and recessive mean in genetics is so bad
>>747555537He's a broken manKinda funny he ended up with Hal and just gets to geek out and do cringe handshake fistbumps instead of being suave super agent man all the time
>>747555575Oh so Snake, Raiden, and Solidus all die on top of Arsenal? Damn that's crazy. You played a weird version of MGS2.
>>747555537I thought it was just an 80s action hero thing to do some cheesy flirting inbetween other kinds of scenes.
>>747555743That's emblematic of Solid Snake, he never wanted to be a super suave killing machine, he just wants to take life easy and enjoy the time spent with his nerdy best friend
>>747544628The obviously feminine bodies combined with the ugly mask that doesn't let you see their faces at all are kinda dissonant.
>>747555783Ocelot had no intention of killing them. He secretly turned it back on.
>>747555742Wasn't that a translation issue
>>747555797Nah, there's definitely a layer of Snake trying to live up to the legend/being horny before letting them know he's not special at all
>>747552478>crashes directly into the financial districtI wonder what he was trying to say
>>747556012>where's a funny place for a final boss fight? federal hall? okay let's take the shortest route there.Probably something like that.
>>747552524define simulation. as in a virtual reality simulation? a pre planned scenario played out with actors?
>>747550739Japan has a huge problem with having a great visual sense for what's hot but having a terrible sense for writing sexual tension.It's like that George Lucas thing from the prequels, a great romance is not when you put two attractive people in the same room.
>>747556078>cut the part where solidus grabs the flag as he falls from the building for no reasonits jarring with how obvious there was meant to be a flag on the pole with the cinematrography
>>747550739>>747552068>>747556082guys that was a comedic moment
>>747556214I know, it just highlighted his autism.
>>747550521He was on a mission, and EVA was a supposed russian spy. You expect him to fuck shady cunt like that in middle of a fucking jungle?His guard just went down after going through the near-death experience together, and he was out of the mission.
>>747524593Bruh no way that's the worst shit in mgs4, the fucking Meryl marrying the beta shids and farts guy because she's now an old whore who couldn't commit to snake, Jesus Christ a fucking wedding in a metal gear solid game, made me want to puke. She looked like a busted out old hag and you could see she was pining for snake but settled in a fucking shids and fart guy to spite snake LMAO women fucking wrote mgs4.
>>747556784You're just mad that Johnny got to clap Meryl's cheeks and you didn't.
>>747526394You're not misremembering at all brother, the entire game is a fucking joke. Dude they had a wedding to fuck and cuck snake, they had Meryl as a blown out hag roastie, have an entire wedding in the game, marrying herself to a guy who keeps shitting and farting his way through not only the game, but also linking him back to mgs1 as the shids and fart guy. Fucking women in human resources wrote mgs4 and kojima fucking allowed it because he's a beta cuck too I bet, he probably identified with shids and fart guy and epitomizes the whole "nice guys always win with a roastie blown out whore after she's done fucking Chad".Yeah you can tell I'm still salty about having to stare at snakes old man ass while he gets cucked by shids and fart beta boy. The entire game felt like a humiliation ritual to destroy snake and it worked. I fucking hate snake from mgs4.
I had a friend like him in high school who later revealed he was molested. It happens.
>>747556784>because she's now an old whore who couldn't commit to snakewasn't her fault, Snake emo'd out on her during her prime years, that's why she was so pissed at him
>>747556784Meryl lost the Snakebowl almost instantly after MGS1. It was a dead ship by MGS2. It's time to move on
>>747556985>while he gets cuckedHe broke up with her years before. That's not what cucking is.
>date a chick for a few months >break things off with her and not give a shit for 9 years>she later on marries a dude>this is somehow cuckoldry
>>747556985You got mind broken by cuck fetish that it looped back around it being obsessed, chill out.Snake left Meryl after MGS1 and that was like a decade ago lore wise.
>>747556985The funny thing is that Meryl was always an insufferable radfem cunt. She was just super hot and then Psycho Mantis hypnotized her then she got fucking shot so it wasn't really all out there for that long. But she is literally the obnoxious girlboss archetype that has become prolific.She was probably too much of a bitchy firebrand for sad sack Snake to put up with after the adrenaline wore off. And she's going to make Johnny's life hell.
If anything, Meryl being forced to marry the guy who shits himself seems like a joke at her expense, not Snake's. Hell, Johnny getting fresh with Mei Ling before marrying her makes it worse. Kojima put her through a humiliation ritual.Meanwhile, Snake went on to live with Otacon and Sunny and died happily according to the official novel. She got saddled with diarrhea forever.
>>747557212She's too honest with her emotions to be an obnoxious girlboss. Plus as you said, who cares as long as she's hot.
>>747557002>"how dare this guy royally fucked over due to things outside of his control have PTSD???"wtf i hate meryl now
>>747557212>>747557158>>747557037>>747557002Lol what? Fuck I'm getting old or something, he left her??? That makes me feel better, but why the fuck did they have to put a wedding into the game, say least you guys retroactively made the game a little bit better for me knowing snake left her, but still feels like they put that wedding with shids and fart guy in there to mess with old man ass in your face snake. Still feels like it was all in there to spit in snakes face, should have been that snake knocked her up, and she's not even in the game. The whole wedding thing is now a humiliation ritual for Meryl but again, why did they make look like he was still pining after that old whore? The whole wedding and shoving shids and fart guy in snakes face still makes me feel sick though.
>>747557440Don't get me wrong, the entire Johnny Meryl shit was peak cringe and I forever curse Kojima and twelve generations of his progeny for making me watch that dogshit, I was just setting the record straight about Meryl. She had a hard life.MGS4 was just a big budget fuck you to the entire MGS fanbase and its depressing how few people realize it and actually liked that shit.
>>747557535Absolutely, it was so fucking cringe, I couldn't believe he put it in there and yes, it was super depressing to see how many retards lapped that shit up like it was 10/10 wedding of the year. Like what the fuck? How do you put a wedding into a metal gear solid game? There were so many cool parts in mgs4, but it was all ruined by so much cringe they put it. Disgusting old face snake with rock hard sculpted ass that you have to stare at the entirety of the game and shids and fart guy wedding with Meryl being girl boss. Disgustingly cringe.
>>747557440Look at it like this >>747557262
>>747557804That actually makes me feel better, but a fucking wedding and all that cringe in a metal gear solid game? It's still sad that they couldn't just write a better plot, Meryl out of action because snake knocked her up, easy. Or just cut her out, women don't need to have a lead role in anything, they should remain background or at most support characters. Still unforgivable that they made me watch that cringe, but ok I do feel better looking at it like that from that perspective.
>>747557262Don't forget her entire character arc in MGS1 of confronting the reality of war/being a soldier and how she was out of her depth and naive, only for MGS4 to come around and have her singing the praises of the system designed to suppress and regulate emotions like it's totally a good thing and has no nefarious implications/uses at all.
>>747557440I get Johnny thing was off but Snake amd Meryl never has a good long-term chemistry, she was attracted to action star war hero while Snake wanted to leave everything like that behind and live in Alaska with his dogs.Johnny romance was pointless and unnecessary but I thought the wedding scene was alright as an excuse for heroes to celebrate the victory, thematically it's kind of weird if they celebrated for the sake of celebrating. I don't get how that would completely mind break you, especially when their relationship were already a thing of the past in MGS2.
