ITT: We post and discuss awful rosters.
Mario Kart World has the worst roster out of any MK game so far. I would trade all of the playable enemies for K. Rool.
>>747527605Agreed. They should have added more spin off characters. Especially since they apparently have no plans for DLC.
>>747529193RPG characters should never appear in the main series. Tranniesnies will never undersrand
Meele. Not terrible, but no Wario, Dedede and Diddy must have been very dissapointing. And Ganondorf being a clone.
>>747529427Melee is an acceptable roster, ur just a fag.
>>747525994All they have to do is combine the rosters from both games. Wasn't there a "leak" for the Game Awards about a third game?
>>747529510Back to sucking sakurai cock to reddit, we hate that hak here
>>747529305I was thinking about the Wario Land and Donkey Kong Country characters but OK.>>747529510>>747529616Hey now, lets not fight here.
>>747529605>Wasn't there a "leak" for the Game Awards about a third game?You mean the "leak" from the same Discord user that "leaked" multiple other games including Marvel Vs Capcom 4 being revealed at last year's game awards?Naw, that was either a troll or someone wanting 15 minutes of fame.
>>747525994Any Marvel roaster that doesn't have him
>>747529427Fun fact, Sakurai planned for Dedede twice during Melee's development. First as a back up plan in case Intelligent Systems wouldn't let him use Marth and again when he had to choose between creating one brand new unique character or five clone characters. At least we didn't get Wario as a clone like what Sakurai initially planned for him.
>>747530934>At least we didn't get Wario as a clone like what Sakurai initially planned for him.Better than what we got in brawl
>>747525994needs a billion fire emblem characters
>>747530864I assume that includes Tokon. So if ya had to put Shuma-Gorath on a team of 4 who would ya make his three team mates and what would ya name then?
The image search results for this included mock-ups with at least twice as many characters, and ones people actually care about.
>>747531178Yeah, him being a fart joke more based on Wario Ware was a mistake...
>>747525994it's pretty good. would be better if they kept CatDog, Helga, and Powdered Toast Man (with non-shitty gameplay)
>>747531195It honestly wasn't that bad and made sense for its time, especially within the limits the developers had and Bless their hearts they really did try. I know a lot of fun facts about the behind the scenes of the game and its roster if ya got any questions.
>>747531267Catdog was actually one of the five characters that the devs decided to cut before starting development including Sandy, Toph, Lincoln and Shredder.
Anyone got an image of MVCI's roster?
>>747525994that roster isn't bad at all imo>>747531195this one in the other hand is atrocious, still had fun with it.
>>747531195If you were to realistically do a PS6 launch version, they need to just fork out the money and pay for the mascots, if only for the PR.Ideally:>Crash>Spyro>Jak and Daxter>Ratchet and Clank>Kratos>Lara Croft>Sly Racoon>Sir Daniel>Astro Bot>King from Tekken>Jin from Ghost of Tsushima>Bloodborne hunterThe issue with modern games is realistic graphics led to less adventurous art direction, as fidelity replaced it. What is the actual difference between Joel from TLOU and Nathan Drake from Uncharted visually, or gameplay wise? At least Lara has polygon tits. So you're really relying on characters that are 20+ years old, which loses the youth demo
>>747533534I won't judge but i hope ya won't mind if i simply ask why and for an explanation.
>>747531195that's actually a good one the only shitty one was good and bad cole both should've been a selection choice for one character
>>747533393fucking hell, i'd never actually seen the roster outside of the meme black woman. Your core demographic is like 70% straight white men, so lets make ONE generic looking stock NPC guy. What the fuck were they thinking?
>>747533725>Crash>Spyro>LaraThe devs tried to get them, they sure did try.
>>747533725also needless to say, each of these entries would have skins (nu-GOW Kratos vs classic) and multiple characters from each series. Neo Cortex, Micolash, sexy latina detective fox from Sly Raccoon et al.
This very screen killed 2D fighting games until they were revived 10 years later.
>>747533878The devs actually did initially wanted Coke to have the mechanic a switching between a good and evil moveset dependong on how the players played him but decided to only use good Cole and make evil Cole a costume. But then the Infamous devs Sucker Punch, got them to turn them into two different characters as the devs themselves have always seen the two Coles as separate characters. In fact Sucker Punch even seen evil Cole as the true Cole, almost making him canon until changing the canon Cole to good due to that path being the more popular with the players. This could also explain why Blood Festival only has the evil Cole playable.
>>747533910I don't like the characters myself but what's with the culture war talk?
>>747533987I believe you and have zero doubt they did everything in their power to make it a good game. And the end of the day its just how much Sony (or any publisher) WANTS it to succeed, and whether that makes financial sense. And not having those characters just put them at such a disadvantage when compared to the direct competitor (Smash), that its almost like tying the devs hands behind their backWas there also pressure to include certain characters to promote franchises? The inclusion of nu-DmC Dante springs to mind, who looks far more generic than anyone in this kind of game should.
>>747534071The two Kratos' are unique enough to have their own movesets. Also her name is Carmelita Fox.
>>747534347It's not culture wars. It's just supply and demand. If there was a demand for these characters, the game would have sold. To obstinately go about your design process when literally anyone on this Mongolian basketweaving forum could have told you on Day 1 it wouldn't sell to your core markets is just lunacy. It has nothing to do with gender or race. Plenty of straight white men love playing as Storm. It's about the ludicrous art direction and apparent choices to prioritise a diverse cast over actual character.Contrary to popular belief, gamers dont want to see shit games fail and waste billions of dollars. We would love to see these big companies produce quality things catered for us.
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>>747534136AGES IS BASED
>>747527605>worst roster out of any MK game so farI don't know, 7 and vanilla 8's rosters were pretty awful too.
>>747533771Idk which one you are referring so I'll just talk about both>nick all stars brawl 2they added a bunch of characters form the most popular shows + a decent spread of the other beloved shows like jenny, zim and angry beavers. there is a couple o duds, there like that rhino guy from tmnt and maybe all 4 ninja turtles should have been alternates of the same character because i don't think they looks distinct enough in motion.It also has a decent amount of alternate costumes.>PlayStation all starsa decent of the roster are simply not "playstation" related (Issac, bigdad, that specific dante and raiden) and at people don't give a fuck about more than half of them (those beign the starhawk guy that legit took me minutes to remember that game even existed, fat princess, toro, heavenly sword chick that only had one game, etc). this is also not courting all the other elements that make this game shit like the ui, stages, balance and whatnot. It also doesn't help that cloud wnet to smash bros.
>>747534136It's too bad they had to restrict it to one person per vehicle, because it meant that several characters from the first All-Stars Racing couldn't be brought back.
i prefer funslop "why did they put this dude in" rosters over "yea it's everyone you expect" rosters desu
>>747533725>Realistically>No Alloy
>>747536141My suggestions were ideally, not realistically.
>>747534370>And not having those characters just put them at such a disadvantage when compared to the direct competitor (Smash)Originally this wasn't the case. Initially the concept of a PlayStation crossover game was going to be a "capture the flag" style of game. There's nothing more specific than that but i personally assume that the game was originally going to be a team based shooter kind of game. But Sony forced the game to change genres to be a platform fighter to compete with Smash. The initial roster for the game during this "capture the flag" phase was also very different from what we got. (Pic related.)>that its almost like tying the devs hands behind their backThe dev team, SuperBot, was built from the ground up by Sony specifically to be a team specializing in fighting games with many fighting game dev veterans and FGC players brought on board. But before creating SuperBot Sony originally wanted Naughty Dog to develop the game but they were too busy developing The Last Of Us. Considering how companies such as Square Enix rejected the game as SuperBot was a developer that hasn't proven themselves one wonders how different the game and its roster would have ended up if Naughty Dog weren't too busy with TLOU. After PlayStation All Stars SuperBot announced that they weren't shut down and they were developing a new IP but we will never know what that is as Sony cut ties with them and they shut down a little while after they announced that they weren't shut down due to not being able to find another publisher.
>>747525994>Grandma Gertie>Harold>Rocksteady>Ember>IrohWhat a bizarre roster.
>>747527605>Mario Kart World has the worst roster out of any MK game so far
>>747534370>>747536758>Was there also pressure to include certain characters to promote franchises?Oh dude you have no idea. Yes, Capcom forced the devs to use reboot Danta to promote the reboot despite the devs wanting classic Dante, Capcom wouldn't even allow classic Dante as a costume. Although ironically enough i don't think the devs were allowed to play a version of the DMC reboot so even though there was a public demo for it at the time (Or so i've been told.) there wasn't much given to create a full moveset so the devs used weaponry and moves from the classic PS2 DMC games to create reboot Dante's moveset.It was Kojima who got the devs to use Raiden and while no official reason was given it's believed it was to promote Metal Gear Rising, this despite the devs wanting Solid Snake, more specifically Old Snake from MGS4 due to being the most recent. In fact the entire game's roster was decided on a "What have you done for me now?" basis, meaning that the characters were chosen from games released five years before or five years after the game started development, explaining why characters such as Sweet Tooth use their reboot designs as their main costumes.This rule includes the PSN classics rereleases, explaining Sir Daniel and Parapa, and Japanese excludes releases, explaining Toro and why Spike has his Million Monkeys design. This rule is also what prevented Lara from getting in as the devs wanted reboot Lara but the Tomb Raider reboot devs, Crystal Dynamics, wanted their version of Lara to appear in their game first. Heiachi was also put in to promote Tekken Tag 2.Kat is in to try to sell more VITAs. But the most egregious example has to be Emmett Graves to promote Star Hawk as he was announced for the game around 6 months before Star Hawk released and his DLC became available i think only a week after his game released.
>>747534370>>747537447Also, i'm sure that there are many other examples for this but here's one last one that i find amusing. The Bioshock item, stage and crossover element in the Uncharted stage were made to promote Bioshock Infinite, but the funny thing here is that, similar to DMC, the devs were not allowed to play Bioshock Infinite, or at least weren't allowed to use anything not publicly revealed yet, so they had to go off of pre release advertisements and trailers to add to Infinite content, this led to the blimp with the message "OUR VOICE WILL BE HEARD" to prominently appear in the Uncharted stage yet that blimp, despite appearing in the E3 trailer, got cut from the final release of Infinite.
>>747534136>PS3 has no exclusive characters>360 and Wii U have one exclusive character each>PC has a whopping seven exclusive characters
>>747534554When ya say stuff like specifying "straight white men" ya start to sound /pol/.Insisting that everything should cater to straight white men makes ya sound like a culture war grifter. No offence and i don't wanna start a fight but that's how you're sounding here.
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>>747534136Yogscast is the only net negative there, yet there's still some meme value in him looking like a textbook søybøy.
>>747537758>that time this was at Gamestop and I tried it, won the challenges that I accepted from people who owned the game, and still said it sucks and staff got mad at me Good times. I might've overlooked that fuck-ass roster but that "supers are the only thing that kill" gimmick wore thin in one session.
>>747534136They finally realized no one cares about sega characters besides sonic
>>747534808>NASB1They added beloved shows but they made the worst choices they possibly could for them causing multiple canvases to hate the game. Also saying that all four turtles should be costumes instead of their own unique characters is honestly an insult, not having all four on the roster is half the reason why TMNT fans hate the along with odd choices such as Rocksteady. And the costumes don't mean anything to this discussion, we're talking about rosters, not costumes. >PSASBRIssac and Big Daddy are the only two examples of this. Dante and Raiden are still PlayStation.And there's still a good chunk of the roster, more than half i say, that people care about so honestly i say you're cherry picking there. I also find that complaint ironic given your defence of NASB.And again, we aren't talking about any other "elements" of these games that are not the rosters.
>>747525994Oh Multiversus how you deserved better…
>>747535923That's literally why NASB bombed and got such a bad reputation.
>>747537030I fucking hate Waluigi
>>747527605Mario Kart DS has the best roster because there are no baby characters
>>747538042Both Kenichiro Yoshida and game's director Omar Kendall admitted that that mechanic was a mistake and wouldn't do it again if they ever get a chance to make a sequel.
>>747537930The fuck was vector doing with those faggots
>>747537758Those ugly ass cheap menus
>>747538181I don't get it, we all knew they had much better characters on the way, so why didn't they include the characters people actually want sooner? Why shove nonsense into everyone's faces every season?
>>747538443A staple in the platform fighter genre for some reason kek.
>>747529427I would like to live in a timeline where we got Excitebiker over Ice Climbers.
>>747538604Honestly it wouldn't even be hard to make the bike jump, simply have the wheels extend out like some kind of pogo stick wheels like the segway guy from Happy Wheels.But I suppose such an animation wasn't possible for the technology at the time?
>>747531179Original and Hilarious I’d rather a billion variations of Goku instead
>>747538970No one would have a problem with animeswlrd fighters if they all had different styles other than medieval fantasy sword swinging. Were's the fencing style? The two handed styles? The duel wielding styles? The samurai styles? We're are the swords and blades that are anything i can't already look at a from your average knight in shining armour? Were's the variety you'd get from fist fighters? And how is it that Smash doesn't have a tokon kicking character yet? The closest we got is Zero Suit Samus and even then i feel like calling her a kick character is a stretch.
>>747537030I really love Waluigi.
>>747539763This game really only had 10 characters at launch? And despite it being a game about LOL as a whole it was still kinda Arcane focused?
>>747529427We should’ve gotten Paper Mario instead of Dr. Mario
>>747534196Oh hohohoho! I’ll do you one better!
>>747537030Lakitu is based though...
>>747534582Maybe they could’ve added more characters? Who knows. If Sonic Battle came out in the late 2000s we could’ve had Blaze, Silver, some Storybook characters maybe, hell Elise or Sonic Man as joke characters or the Werehog or Omega or the Chaotix. But Sonic Battle is just GBA game that can only do so much.
>>747537030Fucking bastards Nintendo trying to phase out our Purple Lord and Savior.
>>747541360>>747539763You are like little babies.
soul calibur 5MK11battleborn
>>747534196Those characters were all awesome and fags mad about SF3 just wanted SF2: Sequel Edition
>>747541826Hey buddy I think you got the wrong door, the Reddit club's two blocks down
hyrule warriors: age of imprisonment
>>747525994>Reptar vs RocksteadyKino.
Dr. Mario 64 where nearly the entire roster is literal whos from the Wario Land games.
>>747538514You put all the characters everyone wants at the start, there's no more hype since all the rest will be literal whos nobody cares about.
>>747537692If you don't cater to white men, you're genociding white men. Simple as.
>>747543783Hell, base HW1 was awful.>Only three games represented: OoT/TP/SS>Agitha in the base game>Lana had three weapons in the base game, more than Zelda and Ganondorf>Zant and Ghirahim were late additions to the roster, Zant was outright horrible to use until he got buffed>Pandered to the femlink faggots with Linkle who gets two weapons because she so speschul :3And then came Ravio, Toon Zelda and Yuga and saved the game for me, and then AoC and AoL outright squandered that goodwill.>Former only focused on BotW>Latter focused on TotK with OC's no less, no playable Ganondorf period>HW1 with Marin, Medli and Agitha proved the sky was the limit with who could get added and they did not think of doing a proper sequel with fan favorites like Saria, Malon, Nabooru and Deku King
>>747537447I still find it funny that they had Cole and Evil Cole.
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>>747534582For the time in which it was released, that was actually an alright lineup considering the cast size didn't really explode until the Dreamcast Era. About the only sold alternatives they could have added instead might have been the Charmy Bee & Vector to go alongside Espio (and maybe Bomb & Heavy too).
diddy kong racing
>>747543975Still a bizarre choice that Dr Mario 64 used Wario Land 3 characters.
>>747543975Rudy's theme was awesome, though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1yg4mycW3o
>>747544740Awesome, the heartbeat sample really sets the tone for the track.
>>747533725Would it be too hard to make them just look like their first iterations?
>>747536974gerald? the witcher?
>>747537692NTA It's generally just an idiotic choice to not pander to the general core audience that'll pick up your gameNot saying it can't work, but if you're trying to have a breakout success it's good to play it safe in that area
>>747544616>diddy kong racingDS
>>747546721ds stands for diddy sucks
>>747525994Genuinely the biggest farce Sakurai's ever pulled, and that's already saying a lot given Smash's modern reputation.
>>747547286It's good enough, only missing Adeleine, Mage Sisters/Hyness and Elfilin.
>>747547286What are you crying about?
>>747533725>removing KatYou should be dragged behind a truck you fucking faggot
>>747539763>That's like a character per year!
>>747533393Maybe the most generic and yet aggressive DEI effort yet. Very gross, very brown and undersexed
>>747527605I thought it was hilarious that we could play as a regular cow though, what the fuck even is that?
>>747533393Ho lee fook'in shit dood
>>747549416>what if L4D was gay and sucked?Elevator pitch for b4b
>>747538145I care about Nights
>>747549416This really wasn't that bad. The fat prepper guy was kino
>>747544042...and then you die before adding the characters people do care about
>>747538181Forever made at how utterly squandered this game was by that baldheaded fuck. I still miss Jason and Beetlejuice's movesets and LeBron's ball gimmick man.
>>747551328>made*madSeething so hard I can't even type.
Blaming Sony is the cope of the decade.This is a terrible game with a garbage cast that is way too small for this type of game and it would have flopped just as hard without Sony malware.
They didn't need that many of them
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>>747552173And it still feels too small even when you can only use 2. 4 party would have been better
>>747525994What's so bad about this roster? Only thing I might change is having all 4 turtles, but for most people that's probably too much TMNT
>>747525994Mario Kart World rosterSmash 4 rosterSonic Crosswords rosterAll fucking ass man
>>747538145That is entirely Sega's fault. You exist in a world where Sega hung all their non-Sonic old properties out to dry and fall into complete irrelevance.
>>747544397Imagine shelling out to dress like an asparagus.
>>747549064what a wide variety of broccoli hair to choose from
>>747533393>>747544397I know Concord was a while ago now, but I still can't get over how these characters had to go through so many people, so many layers of management, to get to our eyes. Can you imagine the ones that got cut?
>>747549416I guarantee Turtle Rock had too many women participating in the brainstorming sessions. It's a dead giveaway when they overcompensate with the female cast this hard.
>>747552653Compared to Team Sonic Racing, Crossworlds does a good job representing modern Sonic, it's just that the collabs are even more diluting of brand identity than All-Stars Transformed
>>747552832someone beat you to it, anon: >>747549064
>>747549064Looks like half of the cast is Armenian
>>747531195How many of these characters' games aren't dead-in-the-water, Heihachi? I guess Kratos and Ratchet are still going.It was supposed to be a celebration, but in retrospect it was a grave.
>>747552762Supposedly some of them looked better but got rejected. Allegedly the obese woman used to be similar-looking, but not fat
>>747553031Not surprising. It truly is a terrible cast. There's ONE fuckable character, everyone else is shit.
>>747534554>If there was a demand for these characters, the game would have soldthe game didn't sell because it came out several years after normgroids got sick of hero shooters, and the people remaining were culture war chuds who would prefer zero blacks but might make concessions for one or two
>>747534582Seems fruitless to try to make a game like this when you have to make brand new characters to fill the roster
>>747525994Its weird that since I grew up with a pc and not a tv, I've only seen porn of every character here and never actually the show of any of them
>>747550205Degenerate
>>747552225No no, we dont use avatars here
>>747537692I dont give a fuck what I sound like. It's just a literal fact that if you don't cater to the main demographic of people who play video games, its a dumb business decision. It is exactly due to people "not wanting to sound" a certain way that you end up with millions of dollars being flushed down the toilet on retarded projects like Concord. They end up chasing some mythical audience that doesn't exist while alienating the core people that have been purchasing your games and consoles for 20 years. Not everything needs to cater to them, but something that is trying to recoup an investment like that probably should have something for them.If you can't accept that, you're being as painfully stubborn as all the developers being fired at a steady clip over the past year.
>>747553279>the game didnt sell because it was trying to supply something that the market had zero demand forYes. Exactly.>normgroids sick of hero shootersMarvel Rivals is one of the biggest video games on the planet, and released AFTER Concord."But muh muh muh licenced heroes!"If you can't brainstorm some interesting characters with 400 million dollars, your game deserved to fail
>>747531195HIS NAME IS FUCKING NEEDLES KANE THE GODDAMN FUCKING ICE CREAM TRUCK IS SWEET TOOTH THESE STUPID FUCKERS CAN'T EVEN GET THEIR OWN FUCKING CHARACTER NAMED RIGHT
>>747533393crazy how many times I've seen this image and yet every single time I see it again, Bazz and the cat are the only ones I recognize
