I genuinely can't believe such an ugly boring piss easy phoned in pile of dogshit came from nintendo.No matter the qol, remaster, decomp etc. the game is just pure fucking garbage in all incarnations and nothing can fix it
but why
>>747526265An enemy randomizer could definitely fix it.
>>747526265You are correct. TP is by far THE worst LoZ game ever created. Those 8.8 scores back in the day were waaay too generous.Yes, there's potential in the ideas, but the execution simply sucks. TP was nothing more than an over-correction after the initial negative feedback towards WW's art style, and a desperate attempt to recapture OoT's lighting in the bottle, all while aping on LotR. There's been claims that the game didn't even have its story written before a few MONTHS before the release day, which really shows. Everything feels half-assed and flat.
>>747526265this is the zelda that made me stop buying nintendo consoles (i used to always buy for the zelda). it didnt feel like a zelda game at all. it had a few cool parts though
>>747526265Filtered
>>747526508the art style has nothing to do with why tp is bad. the art style is OK, its the whole game design philosophy which made the entire game feel like a tutorial AND the fact that the wolf gimmick was their weakest 3d zelda gimmick yet which didnt really add anything to the game.It was up to the wagglin gimmick for wii to save the game and GC buyers were either shit out of luck or maybe lucky if they prefered a linear zelda without those annoying parts where you need to explore to figure out what to do.
>>747526662what is there to get filtered by? the non existent difficulty? boring dogshit busywork wolf sections? getting pissed when you find a chest and can't "open" it because your maxed out on rupees with nothing to spend them on? the toddler tier combat in which you just spam b? anyone with an iq over 80 iq filtered by this goyslop
>>747526265This game feels less like a Zelda game and more like an Aonuma style game with Zelda paint.
>>747526818Nice list of things that filtered you, idk man I didnt have all those problems.
>>747526265It's not really the art style that made it bad, though it is just jumping on the shitty brown and grey trend of its time. What makes it bad is its linearity and focus on cutscenes. A Zelda game where you don't explore but are just led to the next story event or dungeon. It's so bad they even give you a warp to just skip the few places you can explore. Basically Hyrule Field.This is basically Aonuma doing what he always wanted to. Get rid of the exploration and focus entirely on his timeline/story crap.
>>747526265I actually really like the art style but the game is so bad. I'm genuinely convinced that's the only reason people like it.
>>747526265Shit taste lmao
Midna is pretty cool though.
>>747526265>goodimp midnadungeonsitemsbig midna>spottystorygraphicsmusic>badlineareasywolf formtop 5 3d zelda overall which isn't saying much, most of these games are meh
>>747530925>good dungeons>bad linear easyoxymoron
>>747530925>good>dungeonsStopped reading. Most of the dungeons are the worst cases of linear cakes. And the one dungeon everyone loves, the yeti's lodge, is a literal Skyrim dungeon.The only thing people actually like about TP is Midna and the "atmosphere." And if you don't like that, it's shit.
>>747532586>The only thing people actually like about TP is Midna and the "atmosphere."Your headcanon.
>>747526265you drink piss and eat shit don't you
>>747526265nah i loved, go to fuck youself schizo
>>747530925>top 5 3d zelda overall which isn't saying much, most of these games are mehIt's not saying much because there are only 7 3D Zeldas.
>>747535764you drink piss and eat shit don't you
>>747535764>TPfags are ESLShocker
TP was my 2nd Zelda after WW and I hated it. I found it really repetitive and a giant bait and switch after the E3 trailer. I think Midna is really hot and it picks up near the end but it's not great. Sometimes developers get one shotted by other games and they clearly wanted to make Zelda Okami except it had nothing that made that game interesting. I haven't played Zelda since, especially considering Skyward Sword looked like it was designed by a bunch of creepy weeaboos.
>>747526265tp has agatha, so you are wrong
>>747536307And notice you needed to find a fanart that makes her look better than her horrid in game model. She looks like a regular anime girl in that picture, rather than a doll from a horror movie like in game.
>>747526265This is ragebait, nobody is this retarded
>>747526265Yet somehow people want remasters in every console after.
>>747526265Seething about middest zelda won't make wind wanker any better, pedo
I fucking love WW lolis
Thats Wind Waker shitty gay baby game
>>747526265Only 3D Zelda I've never beaten. Yes it has little to no redeemable qualities.
>>747539947Same. After the snow temple and hours more of cutscenes, I was just done. Same with FF12 and many games in that time period. It was a dark time for games. Even though some kids think it was the best.
>5 hr tutorial>bug hunting>wolf sections>Terrible pacing>Ganondorf was behind it all!>Just as easy as Wind Waker>Dull ugly version of OoT>Terrible Anime story>Useless items>Dungeons are glorified set pieces>Overworld is somehow worse than the N64 games.
>>747540646Twilight Princess: -The levels were too long and too bland, either big repetitive circles stacked on top of each other (Water Temple) or making you do the most backwards paths and puzzles to get to the most simple area (the Ice Mansion)-Tons of fucking sliding block or other 'puzzles'. Sliding block or memory puzzles do not belong in an action game. They don't belong in Resident Evil and they don't belong in Zelda. Its not a matter of difficulty, but about them being just empty filler. Especially when you have to do three of these dumb puzzles in a row to get the Master Sword.-Link swings his sword like a fucking mace instead of slashing and stabbing like a sword is suppose to. And even with the bigger swings and slower attacks, it still takes him twice as many attacks to kill an enemy than Link from any other Zelda games. This isn't adding difficulty, just more time wasting filler.-Every NPC has more dialogue than the Owl in Ocarina of Time.-Every single area you enter triggers a cutscene. And why is Zelda so focus on story?-There is zero exploration since the game directly tells you where to go. As well as blocking you from going anywhere else by 'Twilight' walls. Remember when Zelda used to be about exploration?-The overworld is a small, pointless HUB. So pointless, you're given a warp function to avoid it.-The music, aside from a handful of songs, is the most bland in the series.-The "dark" atmosphere just looks like a grey filter. Which made the game hard to see back on SDTVs and makes it look cheap on HDTVs.-The wolf segments drag on forever-Link howling out old OoT songs and talking to his dead ancestor to learn new moves is just sad.-Every character is ugly as sin. Who the heck designed this?-There's little motivation to keep going on aside from seeing the next Midna cutscene. Midna is really the only interesting character in a game full of endless NPC dialogue.The ancient copypasta
>>747542223>The overworld is a small, pointless HUBit's about the only zelda other than botw where it takes like 45 minutes to get from point A to point B.i remember having to travel A LOT, which sometimes seemed like padding, but i also enjoyed it because it made the game feel huge
>best dungeons>best Link>best sidekick>best Ganondorf battle>best side quests>best music>best items>best ZeldaTP chads won
>>747526265I remember really enjoying it on the Wii when I was 12. Sorry you got raped and lost
>>747542895i forgot about the huge amount of bloom. that was something that kinda wore on me, but it was a minor complaint
i liked it
>>747542809>get on Epona>enter Hyrule Field>kick Epona>on the other side of Hyrule Field in 1 and a half minutes because she just runs through any obstacle
>>747542223>i have ADHD like and hate to think>i have ADHD like and hate to think>i have ADHD like and hate to thinkBeen hearing the same shit since Ocarina released. Link to the Past is overrated uninspired turd of a game that gets mogged even by the NES and Game Boy titles in terms of content. Action and aventure are not the same thing, and if you play zelda for the action you must be borderline retarded and afraid of playing harder games, because they are all piss easy
>>747542940It also made the game look worse on SDTVs. Which the Wii wasn't HD yet so...
Malon and OOT Link descendant is a Chad
>>747526265It's a good game but it literally takes like fucking six hours to get going.
>>747543071>i have ADHD like and hate to thinkNot an argument.>b-but LttP sucks!Nothing in that copy pasta mentioned LttP...
>>747540596Snow mansion was the best part of the game tho
>>747526265Nah it's great and you're wrong as always
>>747526662i got filtered by that mediocre game alright
>>747526265TP feels like such a classic game, you wouldn't get it.
>>747544648i still imagine a stew like the one you make actually exists, but i'm pretty sure it's impossible to make as good as imagination makes it out
>>747544648But I didn't say the Ice Mansion. I said the snow dungeon. But also, the Ice Mansion also sucked.>giant circle dungeon just to open the door you started at>two sliding block puzzlesIt's like an even shitter version of the Ice Cave in OoT. All people like you remember is the "atmosphere" of the place like jumping on chandeliers and conveniently ignore the shitty level design and gameplay.
>>747545718Aren't they the same thing? I don't remember a separate snow temple
>>747545857You are correct. That anon is seething while having no idea what they are talking about. Snow Peak Ruins is an all time great Zelda dungeon
>>747546067Figured so. The game might have had it's problems but that one wasn't one of them.
>>747526265>>747526508If you like BOTW you should chop your dick off
>>747526265Wait for the remake lil bro
>>747526265>Nintendo makes Wind Waker, the best Zelda game ever>N64 babies whose first Zelda was OoT or MM cry about WW>They make Twilight Princess as a resultIt's that shrimple. I think after TP and Skyward Sword they stopped listening to fans and then made BotW, the best Zelda game of all time.
>>747546436impotent seething. botw is a fantastic game.
>>747546558WW feels half finished. sailing is cool, but the ocean is pretty boring.
dropping this here
>>747532586Plenty of people here shill MM as the best largely based on atmosphere.
>>747546576I have never played it i dont play games made after 2015
>>747546436dick adds flavor
Hating on Midna should be punishable
>>747546942source?
Nah it's definitely not as good as Wind Waker but it's pretty good
>>747549362>it's definitely not as good as Wind WakerWind Waker has boat slop so no
>>747549434TP has Wolf slop. And dialogue filler. And a 6 hour prologue filler. And puzzle filler. The game is twice as long as Wind Waker not because it has more content or gameplay but because of all the filler.
>>747526265>Gothic dark fantasy art style>Melancholic music with piano, violins, flute, choirs, and HOWLING>Fun and emotional story about facing your inner fears, with an incredibly heartbreaking bittersweet ending>The only game in the series where Link has an actual personality and character arc>Midna is bursting with charisma, personality, sassiness, and her relationship with Link is great. Goes from sexo to ultra sexo. Best companion in the franchise>Cold kuudere Queen Zelda with mature giga Stacy personality>Ability to turn into a WOLF and fight twilight beasts from an alternative reality>Fully explorable Hyrule Castle Town filled with NPCs and activities>Multiple armors that all have their own unique functions>Aggressive combat system with multiple secret techniques learned from the previous incarnation of Link>City In The Sky, Arbiter's Grounds, Snowpeak Ruins, Temple Of Time, Hyrule Castle, Palace Of Twilight>Dungeons requiring you to use a spiked metal ball with a chain, a mechanical bay blade that lets you ride across walls, and magnetic boots that let you walk on ceilings>Wrestling, snowboarding, kayak swimming, goat riding, fishing, ball rolling, bug collecting, vessels of light, white water rafting, cave of ordeals, etc, etc>Cast of side characters that include a small weak beta village boy learning to be the next hero of Hyrule besides Link, a goth tomboy knight girl, coward father who ran away to join the Resistance, gothic formicophilia lolita queen, an androgynous Indian cowboy protector of children in a wild west village, three year old baby who's a master businessman, a clown creating basically machine of war, elf journalist version of Otacon, and amnesiac nature/animal lover girlKino of the highest caliber and best Zelda desu. It takes me back to 2006https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nq-gEG-E04https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKtYg_N7yWIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKYePYfVbYY
>>747549303suzi thespherehunter
>>747537530what are you talking about? her in game model looks cute
>>747526265Nintendo after 2002 is just Japanese office politics divas.>>747526508Skyward Sword is still significantly worse.The problem with TP was that it was directed by Aonuma (saboteur who was trying to get moved off the Zelda project with quiet quitting) and produced by Miyamoto (autistic retard completely at odds with reality), if they had managed to move to a new director and producer intact, then they could have made better games. The problem is that before they handed the series off to Fujibayashi, they massacred the team that made TP by forcing them to make Crossbow training.>There's been claims that the game didn't even have its story written before a few MONTHS before the release day, which really shows. Everything feels half-assed and flat.Metroid Prime 2 was apparently only 30% done 3 months before release, completion state can move forward rapidly, it's the 80/20 rule.
>>747552018>completion state can move forward rapidly, it's the 80/20 rule.that's not what the 80/20 rule meansit means you get 80 percent of the work done with the INITIAL 20 percent of effort
>>747526265no its good cause it lets you jailbreak your wii you dumbfuck
wheres the midna goonbait?
>>747526265This is the last Zelda game I played and completed, but I remember not liking it much. This was the first Zelda game where I was able to clear dungeons without dying on first playthrough. It was piss easy. Finding the little white orbs was frustrating and no fun. I don't get why some people like this...
>>747526265Best dungeons. Best items. This is the ultimate Zelda game.
>>747552378You got pleb filtered this game have the best dungeons for a 3D Zelda game
Name another Zelda game that has dungeons this good back to back
>>747552092It has nothing to do with order, it only states that a large portion of the results come from a small portion of the sample. They could spend ages meandering on development and then do most of the vital work right at the end.The only case where it would apply to initial work is if a Pareto analysis occurs prior to development and the order of development can be arbitrary.
>>747549658TP has a lot of variety packed into an extra twenty minutes, a much better story with interesting character development, the best dungeon designs, better music, and a much better artstyle. I think I know which one I prefer.
>>747552018SS pretty much has all of the problems TP has. The main difference is that SS doesn't try to disguise it with a bootleg OoT coat of paint.What you see is what you get. Same empty overworld. Same fluff and padding. Some interesting set pieces and dungeons in between. At least, if you had the shitty Wii version of TP, the waggle actually does something in SS I guess.
