It has come to light that the Touhou 6 remake likely uses AI art
Damn, I kinda... don't care.
roman numerals are so cucked
no one actually plays touhou
Does anyone else have anti-AI fatigue?
>luddites have to analyse pictures with amicroscope to tell whether they used AI
>>747533712Ok, and?
>>747534116he used ai bro it's clear as day
>>747534326And?
>>747533953I find it funny at this point. the cope is now extending to stuff that could be compression artifacts. imagine a year from now those hardcore anti-ai people are going to so mindbroken, it makes me giggle.
>>747533712yeah that shit stank to AI from day onebetter accept that AI is gonna get used almost everywhere (by not buying games)I came to AIhu pics so I guess we're even tho
>>747533712>likely
If you pay for remakes you're retarded If you pay for 2hu you're a pedophile If you pay for this you're a retarded pedophile
>>747533712ZUN has given plenty of you 2hu trannies modest careers as indie creators off of improving his shitty original artthe man is old nowif he wants to use AI assets for his re-releases fuck it and drink more beer
Oh yeah that roman numeral 4 is fucked lol
>>747533780this
>>747533712I mean of course it does, there was sloppa in TH20 and TH19, it's highly unlikely anyone who's started using it will stop.
>>747533712kys troon
>>747535027i don't what's sadder, the person complaining about something ultimately meaningless or you who took the time to track them down
>>747533712Oh damn that sucksChatGPT generate me pictures of Eiki having loving-dovey sex with me.
>>747535196chat gpt would never create such a thing
>>747535097not being subtle enough, wearr
>>747533712>>747534326Looks fine to me, they just fucked up on the numerals.
>>747535027>or IIIIthis tranny is AI
>patchi's water spell is harder on normal than it is on hardwtf
>>747534696>>747534991But wasn't this remake mostly made by fans, with Zun only really remixing the music? This makes it even stranger if ai was actually used
lol, lmao even
>>747533712based. AI is good because so many libs and midwits hate it
>>747533953Great thinking! You're absolutely correct. We should all reevaluate our standards and accept AI-generated content into every part of our lives. That's not just smart— it's brilliant.
>>747534525fuck kinda compression artifact turns IV into IIV, anon?
>>747533712which is crazy for a franchise known for its shitty art
>>747533712You twitter retards are always looking for things to get angry at. I don't understand why you fags want to be so miserable all the time.
>>747537864How is Marisa so cute?
>>747536663Why are twitter trannies using OpenAI to determine whether something is AI or not?
>>747538034She just is.
>>747533953I was baffled by it in September of 2022, just a couple of weeks after Stable Diffusion came out. I had no idea leftists were so insane until that point.
>>747537051This, its not like its going away
Tohou is the most larping fanbase franchise of all time
>>747538361I only ever played 1 mainline Touhou game, and I hated it.
>>747533712dang latinx would SEETHE if they could read
>>747538361I only play EOSD and generally dislike all the other touhou games.
I only play EraTohoK and EraTohoTW and I am content.
>>747538361what does that mean
>>747537051That's the spirit! You're not just accepting the future— you're ready for it.
>>747533953I'm fed up about people complaining in general. May it be about AI, they not liking the new OoT graphics, their perceived state of the world, or whatever other bullshit. Bunch of whiners.Don't like AI stuff? Cool don't buy the game, I don't give a shit.
>>747539074>"I'm fed up about people complaining in general." he complained
>>747534692I bought this both on Switch 2 and PC, you're welcome
>>747533712Art is not Video Games.
>>747535027>or IIIIRetarded bluesky pedophile.
>>747538936That boy needs therapy
>>747539193
Does anyone else have ai shill fatigue?
>>747538936>continues allowed
>>747538352good goy
>>747539609Even on infinite lives mode if you're bad it would be the most painful hour of your life.
>>747537307Should have been IIII anyway.
>>747539609you should get some glasses
I've been able to capture every spell in normal practice except Sakuya's luna spell with the green daggers and I have no fuckign idea what to do for Remi's spell where you basically have to find a safespot or die or bomb.
>>747535628>>747539450The tranny is a fucking faggot who is shrieking about shit no one cares about, but IIII is correct on clock faces.https://monochrome-watches.com/why-do-clocks-and-watches-use-roman-numeral-iiii-instead-of-iv/
>>747539450>>747535628>American education
>>747540101what did they mean?
brehs...
>>747540356>>747540454>IIII supposedly correct>Still do IX despite thatThis is retarded. It has nothing to do with American education everyone in Europe is taught the same thing.
>>747540576
>>747540984>6 continues
I need to mating press Furan-chan>>747534692what if I pirated it
>>747533780>>747534761saars
>>747538073How the fuck else are you supposed to, especially as the technology improves?
>>747533712DAMN.I don't care!
>>747533780Based Luddite lost the warSoon ai will replace gamers to
>>747541775You know what isn't improving? The AI detection technology that hasn't worked from day 1.
>>747539074This I hate when people protest >Wah wah i don't like eating shitDon't care go fuck yourself luddite
>>747533712You guys are obsessed, if it looks good what the fuck does it matter?
>>747541896Doesn't need detection when it's literally watermarked.
>>747538308>I had no idea leftists were so insane until that point.The hysteria around worshiping mentally ill men with lopped off dicks wasn't enough to tip you off? Or the fiery but mostly peaceful protests?
>>747542047
>>747542065It just like.. it's something else man. We all grew up with the "I don't care what they do at home" tolerance shit and I could see how it would evolve in the minds of soft hearted weirdos. But saying like objectively beautiful art is ugly while saying it isn't cool that lines of code are producing it really blew my mind. And like just the discourse around future utopias being a bad thing, or how it's bad that more people will be able to make more things 1000000000000x faster and easier. I just finally understood that they're truly just outright demons.
>>747542036The detector has literally always schizoed the watermark into unrelated images.
>>747542303>objectively beautifulyeah maybe if you only glance at it and jerk off and don't actually look that deep into the image's details.Real art is crafted with care and you can see it in the image.
>>747533712I thought it was traced and the guy working on it just half assed it.
>>747542664uh huh...
dae thing bad
damn, almost bought this aisloppasorry saarjeets but you missed out on getting my money this time ;)
>>747542470Yeah, because it's statistical, but you'll have a hard time creating even one false-positive by hand. Multiple false-positives? Nah, dude.
>>747541775You can just tell from the fractal noise.
>>747540356>>747540454never once have I seen a watch/clock use IIII and I'm from Europe it's flat out incorrect roman numerals
>>747533953Yeah I don't give a shit. Everyone's using it and retards have to come to terms with it.
>>747533953Your fleshly soul is weak. The great purity of the machine spirit was sure to overcome you eventually.
>>747533953It's all hollow because anti-AI extremists still look at/make AI memes like brainrots and Kirkifications
>>747543438Based.
>>747542806It helps that ZUN's isn't the most capable guy for drawing.
>>747543187You just haven't been paying attention. It's really common.
>>747533712k. Still going to get it
>>747537864Personally I think conservatives are found to be happier in general because they've figured out how to work within their means. Liberals need to change everything around them to fulfill theirs.
>>747539760I have no stake in the game, but I just want to point out that there being two standards (IIII being specially used for clocks and IV being the actual numeral), makes sense that it would conflate IIII and IV into IIV when drawing clock faces based on how image generation AI functions.
Just spent forty fucking minutes of my life trying the Extra Stage without getting to FlandreI've beaten the boss, I've almost beaten Extra Phantom multiple times, why can't I BEAT THE FUCKING STAGE RIGHT NOWWHY IS THE LAST FAIRY BEFORE PATCHI SO FUCKING HARD60% OF MY FUCKING DEATHS MUST BE TO THIS FUCKING FAIRYTHIS IS MY ONLY DAY OFF I NEED TO BEAT EXTRA PHANTOM NOWWWWW
>>747542806>Reimu the moment she lifts one of her floorboards and sees clownpiece sleeping.
BLASPHEMY BURN THE HERETIC
>>747533712Why does that small mistake mean it's AI, is it that unreasonable to think that the artist misconstrued IIV being 4 in roman numerals due to having four lines instead of IV.
>>747543495Zun was always a better composer rather than character artist. He does make some really good designs but he absolutely can't transfer those ideas to paper to save his life. Theres a reason whenever you see anything related to touhou it is some fanart rather than something Zun actually drew.
>>747543827it's 2026all artists have to be perfect or complete dogshit in order to not be accused of using ai.
Kekleave it to tuhoe fans to slurp up slop
the bassline in rumia's new cover is bassed
>>747533953Only AI fatigue
>>747533953It's getting to comical levels. Just earlier today there was a new episode of Bleach, and the animation quality left a lot to be desired. So a bunch of zoomers who have never watched anime with budget issues or something started calling it AI-generated.People are becoming completely unable to recognize mistakes or rushed jobs and attributing everything that looks off to AI. How in the fuck do you get this deranged.
>>747543912ZUNart is pure sex, be silent.
>>747533953Good morning sirs.
Pure sex hus?
>>747533953i have -fatigue fatigue. get on my level you fucking twitter negro.
>>747544957Reisen is so much sex that cum leaks out of her eyeballs canonically.
>>747543613Are you me? I can't beat that fairy at all. I can beat Flan on a good day, but that damn fairy prevents me from getting to her deathless.
>>747534692trvth svpernova
>>747545414weird
>>747533990>if you don't eat the latest state of the art bug paste you're a luddite!!
>>747533712Ok
>>747545436Even if you know the strategy it's an RNG fest. The tips I (the person who just complained about the fairy being bullshit and killing me, mind) can give are that the fairy is seemingly 100% invincible while she fires bullets, so there's no advantage to being in the center of the screen. You have more room to macrododge if you're on the left side of the screen, because the blue bullets slope left to right, and if you try to keep a distance from the fairy such that the blue bullets are horizontal when they come to you you'll not only be able to quickly get through them from either direction based on which side is less dangerous, and have plenty of room to move away and wait for the red bullets to make a path for you. It's when you get moved to the bottom that you're at the whims of RNGesus, so try to delay going there at long as possible
>>747533953Fuck off soulless nigger, don't post soulful cat pics when you're this soulless
>>747542935delete this anti-semitic post
where do the triangles fit into the AI?
MAI, SATONO, GENERATE A PICTURE OF YUKARI TAKING IT IN THE BUTT!!!
>>747543912Uoooohhh, fat spider, erotic...
>>747533712Phew, Meira dodged some balls there for not appearing
>>747533953no
>>747542303its because these people built their entire ideology around the concept that they are evil and also necissary. Basically jews. but its deeper than just their propensity for evil. If some irl troonjak subhuman's only purpose in life is to harass (you) for validation or protest constantly to get gibs, and this process requires some machavelian jew who is just as evil as the irljak can just pay a robot to constantly do everything they do, naturally they will be upset because they know just as they would, the jew will dispose of them.By contrast the stuff we want to do with AI is creative, to make what we've been denied the ability to do by inferiority, gayops, poverty, combinations there of. its a means to an end only. AI will probably actually cause the destruction of humanity, but the funny thing is its going to do that because the jews have spent the last 5 years training it on the Ukraine war. all those lives where thrown into the pits of hell by zelinsky and putin in cooperation for jewish killgolem trainingIn other words, what i am saying is that these data centers and ai art destroying the environment isnt real. anyone with a 4090 can see that these aren't a real problem.AI is going to cause genocides and totalitarianism, and the jackbooted pantyfas that thought they would be an arm in that machine instead get to be liquidated by it first. they thought where were joking or coping when we said the left will kill their own first. largely passive conservatives who just want to do tradie shit are most likely to survive the longest because that stuff is the hardest stuff to reproduce.
>>747548345I am still mad. shanghai.exe should have been published on steam.
>>747546994good advice, if shes invincible while firing wouldnt it be best to just bomb her with burst damage the moment shes voulnerable?
I didn't expect the Normal->Hard jump to be this big, I could Normal 1cc 2nd try after a decade of not playing but I'm still getting raped in Hard
>>747549481>wouldnt it be best to just bomb her with burst damage the moment shes voulnerable?If you need to bomb to survive then it doesn't really matter when you do as long as it lets you survive. The moment she stops firing and becomes vulnerable she's no longer a threat, you just have to get through the bullets. She has low health when vulnerable so if you want the points you just have to move over to her after you get past the last wave of blue bullets.
>>747533712Wasn't ZUN Anti-AIslop? what a fucking kikeHow the mighty have fallen
>tfw we're going to lose the AI war because schizos and trannies are going to accuse everything of being AI to the point where normies get pissed off and just throw their hands up and say "We don't give a fuck now what?" causing a mass anti trannoid suicide and gen alpha making fun of uncs for complaining about AI after growing up on TikTok Fruit Novelas.
>>747549319maybe but probably not. thanks for the reply but that realization was 4 years ago now. my power level is much higher now so I already know about everything you said. I was redpilled before then too but as far as common people go I didn't know how many horrifyingly retarded golems there really were out there, until the AI stuff.>>747549569he was pro AI
Nina
How cares? Go back to Discord, tranny.
>>747533780This>>747533953And this.
>>747533953My best friend of 10+ years destroyed our friendship because I suggested the thought that perhaps using AI doesn't automatically make someone literally hitler and israel combined
>>747549676>he was pro AINow I feel bad for Touhoufags
>>747533712Ok but how does this affect you personally?
All AI games should be free and open source, you cannot own something you didn't make. Pirating AI slop is every man's right, why should I pay money for something that they didn't make?
>>747549824why? it's normal to be pro AI
what does koishi think about AI
>>747549319wtf ciruno isnt old delete this
she won
>>747549883>Koishi>think
>>747549840>Make game using AI>Sell game made with AI>Make money using AINow what nigga you gonna put me in AI jail?
i blame SHITmata
>>747533780>>747533953Good goyim...
>>747549569ZUN would use AI to make Touhou if he was born today.
The invisible hand of the market!
>>747533953the problem with AI discourse is because two sides are extremely retarded>on one side you have the most retarded jeets and tasteless sloppers who are completely embarassing and ruin any point you try to make by sheer association>on the other side you have the most asshurt vitriol-filled trannies and leftards who demonize anybody for it and have an unreasonable hate boner
@grok give me a 1cc route for marisa b
>>747549840for some reason this has the MIT license and the BSD license in the credits
>>747550182One side is extremely annoying and one side tries to ruin your life
You ever notice it's always the same shitscribblers forcing their memehus over and over?The Sumireko faggot isn't even here anymore and you don't even see her anymore
>>747550224You could likely make grok edit the file to be edited
>>747550260both sides have different intentions but ultimately similar ability to ruin your life>retarded jeets and aibros will ruin online marketplaces, open source projects, fill lots of art search results with garbage, pad out storefronts and algorithms with their low quality shit, and generally worsen tutorials and materials. They genuinely fucking suck to work with and actively cause problems in several industries. >troons and adjacents are exceptionally hateful, but their ability to ruin your life is significantly lower than that. Yet, they will shun you out of communities, ruin entire online circles, be consistently one of the weakest links of open source projects because of their bitchy ego, make some really fucking boring art most of the time while being anal towards criticism, pad out entire internet cultures with their derivative shit, and generally worsen the quality of conversation and community. Would be even worse to work with than jeets, but fortunately most of them arent mentally capable of having a decent job.
>>747550486>but their ability to ruin your life is significantly lower than that>Yet, they will shun you out of communities, ruin entire online circles, be consistently one of the weakest links of open source projects because of their bitchy ego, make some really fucking boring art most of the time while being anal towards criticism, pad out entire internet cultures with their derivative shit, and generally worsen the quality of conversation and communityTrue, that doesn't count as ruining your life, lol
>>747550651whats this failure in reading comprehension?Like i said, they can ruin your life, similar to jeets. However, their ability to ruin your life is significantly smaller than the actual hate and vitriol they have and are capable of expressing towards you. Theyd do a lot worse if they could. The traits of trannies that generally prevent them from accomplishing that need no introduction.While as for jeets, aibros, etc... They dont really have any bad intentions. They dont really intend to actively fuck you over, they arent trying to cause the problems that they do. They are simply a combination of very bad taste, very bad creativity and generally lower intelligence
Are people still doing this "2hu hijack" shit lmao>>747533953>>747550182Anti-AI and anti-anti-AI fags are the Islamic extremists of the Internet I swearI hate them more than "rational" Muslim people>>747543450People who claim to be anti-AI yet laughing their asses at Gigachad fly or Tung Tung Tung Sahur memes are funny as fuck
>>747550182You have the wrong assumption that there are only two sides
>>747550910anti-anti-anti-AI fags like you are even more annoying
You ruined your own life. All it took was a little push.
>>747551061The EVILest 2hu
>>747550928there are more sides but these are the two loudest ones.I have to acquaintances that make games. They use a lot of AI for reasonable purposes: giving examples to artists, bases for artists to draw over, helping with creativity for filler, help with level design decorating, stuff of the sort. One of them even went a mile further and made their own VAE for helping them make more assets, trained on the ones he created himself.The end result is almost completely imperceptible from assets that didnt use AI, or any other normal game asset, because at the end of the day it was still completely handmade by the end phase of its creation. They dont say anything and put no AI content disclaimer because obviously its completely worthless and is nothing but losing sales. Its a perfectly fine use of the tool. Now try explaining any of this to anti-AI troons and see how they respond. Now try explaining any of this to AIbros and see how quickly they do something so embarassing that it ruins your points by sheer association.
>>747551115>to acquaintancestwo acquaintances*
>>747551115I can't believe you actually took time to type all that and are actually correct
>>747549971No one will buy your AI slop, they can just type shit into a prompt themselves.
>>747551115Yeah it's only black and white to people as usualI'm NOT writing a fucking work e-mail ever again. The ones who send me work e-mails use and know I reply to them with AI and no one gives a shit
having e-sex with AI powered 2hus
>>747551337Would you 3D print a 2hu and have sex with her?
>>747550989Then I'll go back to genning my shit both sides are too busy killing each other
>>747551449hell no, that's piracy
>>747533712>>747533953>AI thread appears>"I have anti-AI fatigue"-tangent post appears within the first 10 replies>this is going on for weeks now, facilitated by the wave of AI-supported decompilation projectsI have concern trolls fatigue.
>>747543450it's funny how they don't realize theyre contributing to the problem like thisanything to see that tung tung sahur fag do something quirky and unusual i guess
>>747550251real?
remi tongues my anus
>>747543613I DID IT YEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH
>>747552826gz
i blame the moon ''''''people''''''
>>747552826vgh finally sovl
>>747533953Yes but pro AI people are so fucking pajeet coded I've just landed on hating everyone. I use AI for work and jerk off to AI porn, and that's about it.
>>747553176>Yes, yes, make the Earthlings angry with AI>they'll invade the moon and rape the Moonkeks for me hehehe
>>747552608
>>747533953Nope.Not at all.
>>747552608>>747553506
>>747551982>I have concern trolls fatigue.Same. Almost as if a bot has been told to post anti-anti-AI posts to anti-AI OPs...
>>747553506>>747553601can someone explain to me, a person with the iq of a fairy, what the hecc this means?
>>747533712FOR AGES BEFORE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, MONGOLOIDIC GAMEDEV, INTERBREEDABLE WITH TENGU HAD NO DRAFTSMANSHIP, NOT EVEN NUMERALS
>>747553728It definitely means the entire game is FOSS and not a component of it
>>747533953Where's the Aqua image that should accompany this statement?
I can't believe anti-AI people have reached the point where mistakes normal people make drawing is now proof of AI. I'm against AI in general for art, music and writing, but this is ZUN, who has always been bad at art. You guys should be glad there is even a clock or windows.
>>747553841>It definitely means the entire game is (Free and Open-Source Software)...what? isn't original eosd that too? what are you implying by this?
>>747551270By the time you've explained what information you want the email to have in it and the tone you'd like to convey, aren't you 90% done with the email anyway?
>>747533712Maybe instead of bickering, it could be fixed. We've reach RSI, right? Surely anyone can fix it now.Or do we gotta wait another 2 weeks
>>747553841Not really. It just means if you copy code into a proprietary product, you still have to include the copyright notice and license notice.
>>747533712I don't get the surprise, ZUN himself said he was using AI for at least touhou 20.
>>747554194>I can't believe anti-AI people have reached the point where mistakes normal people make drawingThere are two crystal clear instances where there are five lines between two numbers on the clock, between I and II, and between VII and VIII. This is indisputable. No human hand is going to make this many mistakes when making a clock.
>>747554194>I can't believe how retarded I amWe can't either.
>>747554280The developer said he's releasing .flac tracks because people were whining about .mp3 tracks. Maybe it's possible if this gets enough attention, the developer will Photoshop corrections to his AI art?A lot of the qualms I have against AI art isn't so much that "it's AI art". It's that it's a license to be lazy. If you're so lazy to spend second generating a pic, at least fix the stupid AI errors in the pic.
>>747554453I've got no issues with MP3All the patents have expired, so I can play all the MP3s I want without getting sued by pedos
>>747533712Enhance it with DLSS5
>>747543601Outrage obsessed bitches on /v/ are not your typical conservative
>>747554328hm, why didn't ZUN do that when he used free code in SoEW?
>>747554387Years back I pissed off a shmup developer by idly claiming their art might be AI-generated because a character had four fingers instead of five. That was actually what motivated me to pursue AI development as a career. Artists make all kinds of mistakes that make no sense to a lay person.
>>747554194ZUN didn't make this
>>747551259that's a naive way of thinking. Someday you will understand that people will still buy AI slop, not because they cannot make it themselves, but because their lack of will. Even when using AI requires no skill, people will opt to buy something that is already made, giving it is good enough, over using the tools and fine-tuning them.
>>747533953If it wasn't worth doing then why would I pay for it?
AI is good since it will eradicate the power grip trannies have on fangames / Discords.
>>747550251It's based on the decompiled source code, that's probably why
>>747556096>the decompiled source codeHighly Responsive to Prayers New Classic WHEN?
>>747551115yeah, nowadays saying you copypasted code and assets is less of a redflag than saying you used AI even for something minor.
>>747555626In that case, I completely agree this is definitely AI slop. I'm just used to seeing people attacking ZUNs art lol
>>747556059I can't see a game that uses AI for major assets looking good or even "good enough" without new massive leaps in an area where progress seems to have slowed a lot. I think what you can do with tools like Stable Diffusion is genuinely impressive, but if you have to do something non-static like player sprites, even if there's only a handful of animation frames total, it would be very hard to avoid inconsistencies.I think ZUN's use of AI for backgrounds is pretty harmless (he was using and editing stock images for decades before this), and while the portraits have more immediately noticeable flaws I don't know for sure what happened with those, since the artist who created them swears adamantly that AI wasn't used. The fact that, AI or not, the portraits were traced over handmade art from 2002 makes it a bit of an outlier.If someone skilled at genning and inpainting wants to prove me wrong by genning some good and authentic-looking AI ZUNart I'd be interested in being proven wrong
>>747556059You win one thing but lose 10 moreJust bully the discordfags
>>747533712>Use AI>Become the best selling SHMUP ever released on SteamDamn, AI really is the future.
kino
>>747554453>A lot of the qualms I have against AI art isn't so much that "it's AI art". It's that it's a license to be lazyAI "art" is inherently lazy and it's also plagiarism, stop thinking that being a "both sides" fence sitter makes you smart
>>747556059Conservatives who glaze AI are just trannies in denial.
>>747533712Every game made today is using AI art, the question is will (you) spot it or not.
>>747557014>AI "art" is inherently lazy and it's also plagiarismPar for the course.
>>747533712Didn't Zun said he likes using AI because he cannot be assed to learn how to draw nor hire people to do it for him?
>ask AI, "where did junya ota's nickname of zun come from">Junya Ota’s professional nickname, ZUN, originated as a shortened variation of his first name, "Jun'ya", combined with the strict character constraints of retro arcade leaderboards. The name evolved due to two main factors:The "Jun" sound: In an interview, he noted that he chose "ZUN" because it sounded very similar to the "Jun" portion of his real name. In certain Japanese romanization systems (like Kunrei-shiki), the syllable ju (じゅ) can also be written as zyu.>Arcade scoreboard limits: As a passionate arcade game enthusiast growing up, he needed a name to log his high scores. Because most classic arcade cabinets only permitted a three-letter input for player names, he shortened his nickname into the three-letter alias "ZUN".Okay.>Fun Coincidences: Though he picked the name well before entering the industry, "ZUN" later lined up with two fitting coincidences: it matches the first three letters of ZUNTATA, the famous in-house sound research band of video game company Taito, where he eventually worked as a developer. Additionally, a "zun" (尊/樽) happens to be the name of an ancient Chinese bronze vessel historically used to hold alcohol—highly appropriate given his legendary and well-documented love for beer.I knew about the Zuntata thing, but I had no idea that a zun held alcohol.This is how AI should be used: Fun trivia about things, not lazily asking it to make an image for your remaster of a remaster of a remaster.
>>747533712ZUN openly uses AI images in his games, retards, he talked about it. Toe hoe fans like AI too, go to Jap youtube and you'll see toe hoes narrating every other video with AI voices.>noooo that doesn't count because those AI voices are badthat doesn't make any sense
>>747549569>how the mighty has fallenTouhou has fallen for YEARS after its prime ended because ZUN finally found his exploit. Nigger has merch, collabs and what have him to get more money than his games, so why should he put the minimal effort and do the same exact thing 24/7 but with minor reused/stolen gimmicks? Even the manga is bad, the lore is even more nonsensical and has more "and then's" than fucking Family Guy. Him using AI art should've been the nail of the coffin. Most Touhou fans already left because the series is a shadow of it's former self.But hey, the smelly spics that inhabit this rotten corpse of the board will defend this for 10 seconds because ZUN is omnipotent and he did nothing wrong because anti-AI is filled with trannies and chuddies.>yesThank you for proving that you're dishonest.
>>747533780>>747533953
@grok edit this image so it looks like a real 1cc for internet points on 4channel
>>747538073>using OpenAI to determine whether something is OpenAI-made or not?FTFYOpenAI embeds watermarks in images its models generate.OpenAI doesn't make public what they do precisely, for obvious reasons.So only OpenAI can tell you, if that watermark is there.If you decide to use AI, use a local model without watermarks.
>>747557276AI could get that wrong by chance you know, it pulls from sources all over the web, so if someone said something out of their asses it could get prompted
>>747557276I can't trust AI for trivia because of hallucinations. There's been times where I asked an LLM a question I knew the answer to just to see if it could get it right, and it's like a 50/50 every time. If you ask it questions about something you're not intimately familiar with you can get deceived, since you won't know if it's wrong.
maybe zun should ask the AI to patch in a real 4:3 mode this forced wide screen SUCSK
>>747533712touhou lost to nortubel
>>747556678>playerbase dropped quickly afterwards
>>747557471
>>747557658Real men play in 9:16 with a vertical patch
>>747557735I mean, how much do you expect people to play a 20 minute game? They obviously went back to playing with their fumos
>>747549834this video is my favourite thing ever made with aithe spinning chode mushroom is great
>>747557608>>747557653https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/61323This is one credible link I found for a zun.
> Shithou> Ai slopIt was inevitable.
>>747557836Touhoufags are well known for not playing their games."Best selling SHMUP" is an oxymoron.
>>747547031the cat pic is also ai generated
>>747557901You don't know what a oxymoron is bro...
>>747558053Look yourself in the mirror
>>747557901Even ignoring you not knowing what an oxymoron is, your own words don't even make sense because not playing something doesn't equal with not buying something.Do you not know what collectors are? You know, like people on Steam that have like 1k games and at best 90 minute playtime in most of them?
>>747558146>doubles downlol
>>747533780Agreed. Game is fun and nobody really plays this for the art it's usually about Gameplay.
It's funny how much shit art is tolerated when it's done with AI, but you would have crucified and doxxed the artist if a real human did that shit on stream like that. It's really just a cult after all.
>>747533953I ask definitely tired of it. It's the new campaign to hate on shit and be miserable your whole life. Every studio uses some form of AI and that is not going to end today or tomorrow. I just want to have fun and play games if the content is great quality why would I care if it's 3D, AI or Photoshop.
Why is it the more time passes, the more I find out that Cirno is just an amalgamation of inspirations and coincidences? I was about to make a super epic Reddit graphic, but I'd honestly rather just post the textual findings and see if anyone notices anything I missed.
>>747533953Yes I very much agree saar the AI is very needful for to making good games.
>>747558351post it
>>747533780bootlicking retard
>>747558197What worth does it have? This is essentially the same game but easier, with dogshit music and AI-assisted art (if true).The only way it's worth looking for this release is the original game that's edited to change the star of david into a different one.>>747558220>not knowing Touhou and it's genrelmao
>>747558343Because it's soulless and you know it. You wouldn't give a dime to ai bros.
Separate post will be made for the song informationName:• According to those who visited the Touhou Project Exhibition in 2022, Cirno's name was originally "チルド" (Chirudo). It was likely that some time during development, ZUN changed this to "チルノ" (Chiruno) after reading the manga Sarai and seeing a character with a name similar to what he had already conceptualized. Sarai has many other similarities to EoSD, such as having a character named Patchouli, a hand pose by Nudge that looks similar to Remilia's hand pose, and a visual for Nudge that looks similar to Sakuya's character portrait.Design:• Mai from Mystic Square (outfit design, hair design, ice theme, portrait pose)• Marisu (unused character) from Twinkle Star Sprites (outfit design)• Tanned Sakura from Marvel vs. Capcom (Tanned Cirno)Character:• Mai's personality and theme could be referencing the Divine Comedy's ninth circle of Hell which might explain the • EoSD's full version was released at Comiket 62 on August 11th, 2002. In EoSD, Cirno was not associated with the infamous insult "バカ" (idiot). About two years later, Sarai's Cirno used the phrase in Sarai, Volume 12, page 98, released in August 2004. About three months before the infamous PoFV manual called Cirno an idiot, PoFV's demo (version 0.01a) released at Reitaisai 2 on May 4th, 2005. In that demo, Reimu said to Cirno, "あ、バカ発見" (Ah, idiot sighted).Spell Cards:• Continuing with Cirno's possible association with the Divine Comedy, she has a spell card called Freeze Sign "Freeze Actress" in the earliest EoSD demo (the Divine Comedy is a popular writing commonly used in acting) and a spell card in PoFV called Freeze Sign "Cold Divinity".• One of Mai's attacks after Yuki has been defeated looks extremely similar to Cirno's Ice Sign "Icicle Fall" spell card.
Songs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7TXVtGGFcTitle: Tong Poo (also known as East Wind)Artist: Yellow Magic Orchestra (YMO)Release Date: 1978Time of Reference: 0:38 - 1:07https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re0K9dqGt9YTitle: Omoide No Itoguruma (想い出の糸車)Artist: Kunihiko Mitamura (三田村 邦彦)Release Date: 1981Time of Reference: 0:23 - 0:33This song has a theme of love throughout it which could be the inspiration for the title of Cirno's theme, "おてんば恋娘" (Lovestruck Tomboy).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfH5usYFxSoTitle: Min mor sa till mejArtist: OrupRelease Date: 1988Time of Reference: 2:28 - 2:35This song has the line "Och som den blåögda idiot man nu en gång är" (And like the blue-eyed idiot I once was) from 0:35 - 0:40. It also contains a theme of love throughout the song.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjFi_9V8Hw8Title: Love Me (also known as the theme of Arthur Schmitt)Game: Twinkle Star Sprites (ティンクルスタースプライツ)Time of Reference: 0:13 - 0:26Release Date: November 25th, 1996Both this song and Cirno's theme have "love" in their titles.Did I miss anything about Cirno that has been discussed before? Let me know if you remember anything I didn't mention.
>>747533712>AI slop Slopmake of a 30 years old game This is the future of gaming.
>>747533780brown
>>747533712Ai is troon mindset.>I'm a real woman>is not>I'm a real artist>genned slopI shan't be buying it.
>>747558503>>747558547
>>747558496There is a distinct difference between quality that is shit and needs to be criticized for being bad vs dismissing something as soulless. I will tell you right now because I know you are very young but 3D was called soulless by those who were using practical effects things back then or Photoshop was called soulless by those that were doing things hand drawn. This will be the same route. It will only evolve and get better with time.
>>747558503>Mai mentioned
>>747533780This. I wish i could see the (you)'s from the poster saying the same thing 50 times over.
>>747556157>everyone expects PCB & IN next>HRtP is the only other touhou game with a full decomp because the german brony faggot had a spergout about AI>HRtP "new" "classic" announced at the next Nintendo direct
>>747558503>>747558547i wish i could put this much effort into literally anything touhou relatednot reading btw too much effort
>>747558598sis stop projecting
>>747558503>>747558547Here's the attention you ordered
>>747558451>it'sYou don't even know basic English, don't mess around with more complicated words buddy, start from the basics
>>747533953I have both AI and anti-AI fatigue.I legitimately wish people would shut the fuck up about it.
>>747558892>no unice one, ask an llm for a better response next time, looneytrooney
>>747558631>It will only evolve and get better with time.AI has gotten pretty "good" for now when it comes to details yet people are easily able to tell it's AI anyway or ignore it because it looks genericDespite AI growing and now being in everywhere you look now, normal artists still get attention, money and praise for their work
>>747558351>>747558503>>747558547CIRNO IS NOT REAL
>>747541775Then what's the fucking point of it if the main point against AI is how unreliable it is, yet you're using an unreliable tool to discern something that has already fooled your own judgementIt's nothing but a backflip in logics to justify a judgement, instead of reaching a judgement through the logics process
>>747559067sis your pathetic cope doesn't deserve anything better than a "no u"
>>747541775Use your eyes?
>>747558547>Min mor sa till mej>ZUN is stealing from Poland now
>>747539760>IIII>No VIIIIWhoever designed that clock should've been slapped
>>747559138...duh?
>>747558631>because I know you are very young >projection>3D was called soulless by those who were using practical effects things back then or Photoshop was called soulless by those that were doing things hand drawnThe difference is that 3D and Photoshop are required to be used by man. AI does not.
>>747558943>u-ur ESL OVER ONE MINOR SPELL MISTAKEHoly obsessed Batman!
When did Touhou fans become the weeaboo version of Pokemon fans?
YOU ENJOYED AI SLOP WITHOUT KNOWING ITAHAHAHAHA
>>747551115I love this idea that people magically can't tell if you obfuscate it enough.The problem is pattern recognition. It's like trannies, you can take a shot at a great angle and trick someone. But with every subsequent shot, the mannishness seeps through. It's the same with AI slop, even if it was good, you'd be able to tell.
>>747559368Ancient /v/hu meme
I don't give a fuck about AI discussions but I do think its kinda funny that the developer who has an emotional breakdown and threaten suicide if you post videos of his game online because "NO ONE SHOULD SEE THE ENDING REEEE" is using AI for his games now.
>>747559531why are you reposting images from reddit?
>>747559837What's the endgame of this person? do they want people to hate touhou?
my favorite 2hu? touhou 10 marisa b of course1
>>747559895/v/ is reddit colony
>>747559936I know what you are
for ME it's ddc sakuya the best toe hoe
>>747559979>weìrd ass gimmick>still fucking OPweird shot type
>>747559837>ancient >2020I feel like pic related >>747549319 (not real)
OTTER CHADS RULE
Just 1cc LotLK on LunaticYes, I used Reisen. Problems?
Say
>touhou is known for its AI voiced fan videos>fake fans are outraged about AIDoes this outrage youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uiO-kxeruk>inb4 that's not MODERN AIAnd that makes it good why?
>>747559754Its not "magically" anything, its called completely drawing over it and having good taste. I have never seen a single person ever point this out in any of these games, and they have 3000-10000 reviews with a positive score. As a basic example>run out of creativity for coming up with character faces because youre too much of a shut-in autist>generate tons of human faces under your guidelines to try and arrive at the vibe you want>get a guy that looks perfect for the character >open whatever tool you use for drawing character portraits>add the generated human face as a reference>redraw it in the games' visual style in the exact angle and position you want>boom totally 1000% your art imperceptible
>>747559754> It's the same with AI slop, even if it was good, you'd be able to tell.If it was actually good would it still be slop?
>>747560138yeah, george droyd shitposts were really funny even if blatantly aiand then boring jeets who cant come up with their own humor and just copypaste jokes took over it...
>>747560117Out of all of shit you're using to defend AI slop.You're using a fucking shitpost.
>>747536663I was using this tool to detect if Sharty ai gigachads were AI and they were all flagged as non ai kek
>>747560117Where's the AI in that video?
>>747560117not even the same thing you inbreed retard
>>747559864>anon has ZDS - ZUN derangement syndrome
imagine if a time traveler went back ten years and told you this is what becomes of touhou
desu it probably isn't even AI. you can circle anything on anything and trannies will think its ai lol. Maps are retarded esls so i wouldnt expect them to much to understand how roman numerals work. desu theres nothing damning outside of tranny nitlicking
>>747560274>guidelinesI.EI can wipe my ass off with it.
Many of you should start learning how to create prompts because it’s going to be requested good job, there really is a difference between those who know how to do it and those who don’t. For example, this one I made in a minute is much better than the official artwork.
>>747536663i believe this garbage only reads metadata, u can put in blatantly ai genned pictures and it will flag it as non ai as long as the metadata is kosher
>>747560117TTS isn't ai you imbecile you're like the idiots that accused Nintendo of having an ai voice in rhythm havennext you faggots will be claiming music synthesisers are ai
>shit that's bad that most rational people hate being shoved down our throats>"erm anyone tired of all the hate?"Kill yourself
>>747560121NTA but it's not that easy, there are "artists" who trace over AI pictures, or draw over them and still get called out, why? Because the problem it's not the intrinsic detail about the picture but the whole picture gives that vive that it was not made by a person but generated by a machineAnd those who can't tell are the lowest denominator
>>747560274Wait what? I can't have my paid mobile game with 2hus in it?? ZUN is a hack but unironically. What a fag.
>>747558503>>747558547Cirno had more thought put into her than 99% of all other characters
>>747560138I'm saying if AI was magically good and could reproduce art to a tolerable standard, you'd still be able to tell. It'd still be slop, because the issue isn't the quality of the image, it's the lack of mind of the retard creating it.
>>747535628Some watches have it as IIII for some reason. I had a watch that has it like that
>>747559754if you're so good why would you need an AI disclaimer in the first place?
>>747560450To save me some time if you hide it in the promo shots?
>touhoufags unironically defends ai nowWhat happened?
>>747558503>>747558547Imagine doing something like this for Pikachu or Hatsune Miku. I'm starting to wonder if anything is original anymore.
>>747560278imagine if a time traveler from 2 years in the future comes and says touhou lotus land story is on the nintendo
>>747560274anon was making fun of the rule zun still tries to enforce where he doesn't want any media of any of the games' endings being uploaded anywhere, which is pure nonsense
doctors and engineers of the touhou community where is the ai usage
>>747560081I beat Hecatia with Reisen because I couldn't do it with Reimu.
>>747560405vibe"
>>747560604beat this*unzips*
>>747559754>It's another "we can always tell" retardyeah I'm sure you'll just pull out your sovl measurement tape or something
kek they'll believe anything
>>747559864Zun has always been one of the most retarded devs ever-you can't post music-you can't post screenshots-you can't post text-you can't play the games digitally-you can't recreate scenes from the games with fanart-you can't create headcanons-butttttt you can use the Touhou ip to create any game you want and even monetize it!he's about as dysfunctional as a constantly drunk incel neet would be
>>747559314>PolandSweden actually. 1988 Sweden specifically.Whenever someone asserts that ZUN definitely 100% stole all of Cirno's theme from these various sources I just think that ZUN in his early 20s in Japan apparently had a WILDLY global music taste.
>>747560430>because the issue isn't the quality of the image, it's the lack of mind of the retard creating it.So the issue isn't AI, it's shit artists. You can correlate that to 'only shit artists use AI' which I wouldn't disagree with, but that isn't an argument against AI as a tool.
>>747560680touhou fans are geniuses
im tired of this goddamn retarded 60 iq community you guys like the otaku equivalent of muslims somehow holy shit. you will believe anything and everything without questioning it.
>>747560404>faggot who's too scared to directly reply to the post he's replying to telling anyone else to kill himselfkek
>>747560703that's, kind of the entire thingAI being involved in media creation has been a thing since the mid2000s, every single digital workstation for images, video and music is entirely reliant on plugins that use machine learning and neural networks, but using AI to make the awful boring parts of making media less of an issue is not the same as just conjuring up an AI asset that was not even part of any creative process.
AI doesnt generate shit in this small of a scale not does it do it this intricately how come the IIV was the only thing that was wrong. not unreasonable for a jap who probably doesn't know how roman numerals work. its a shitty job but its not likely ai
>>747560795What we have left now are schizos and retards who either shill for zun or have some kind of hate boner towards him.Most people left and they will usually come back when there's a new game, fan or otherwise. And today's game was came up with disappointment.
>>747560795>otaku equivalent of muslimsOur games are about bombing little girls, what did you expect habibi
>>747560521Cirno is original, anon doesn't understand what taking inspiration from something is, kinda like how action hero toys used to be about military stuff then someone had the idea to make the same toys but about space men, you take an idea and you turn it into something elsePlagiarism, what that anon is trying to push, would be like how chinese manufactures take a toy from western design, change only the name to avoid copyright and sell it for cheaper, because selling a bootleg to people who don't know better is easy
>>747559531To be fair, Koishi SUCKS.
>>747560980shut the fuck up you not even arab you're just some dumb south american third worlder
>>747560824>but using AI to make the awful boring parts of making media less of an issue is not the same as just conjuring up an AI asset that was not even part of any creative process.I never said it was nor do I think that. The question being, at what point do we consider AI asset generation not to be slop? If it's at more than just a tolerable standard of quality; what inherent qualities are you suddenly looking at to 'just know' its AI? If those qualities aren't even relevant to whether or not the creation looks good, then does it even matter if they are there?
>>747560703Guess what, shit artists outnumber good ones, so the market is filled with mass generated trash because of this "tool"
>>747560964im tired of this shit genuinely ppl like spaztranny and the mamizou pedophile should be laughed out of the community for having a hisami complex with a c-tier e-celeb like ZUN but for some reason ppl actually listen to them.
>>747561043Simsalabimbi, goats are sexy am I right my islamic brother
>>747560980theres nothing funny about being a 60 iq retarded autistic goatfucker. no education will ever make you act white.
>>747561103>mamizou pedophile I already know Spaztronic but who the fuck is this pedophile?
>>747561087like the last twenty years?
>>747560703>but that isn't an argument against AI as a tool.If you're using it in very limited amounts, maybe. The problem is that it's a panacea. If you're soulless enough to not care about X part of the design process, you're soulless enough to eventually extend that to Y and Z because "hey it's good enough!".Personally, I've got no interest in it. I would rather see you poorly photoshop a photo to turn it into a background than generate one. People will always have parts of the design they don't like, ideally they would either improve at them OR hire someone else to help out, AI is filler content at absolute best.
hey geniuses why are we debating AI, did we already take the op picture as gospel?
>>747560824Folks over in the jaypee AI thread sketch out their gens then i2i them. Meaning there is a creative process and a human mind behind them. Are they or are they not slop? I assume you know how i2i works.
>>747561153shut the fuck up you not even arab you're just some dumb south american third worlder
>>747560404>rational peopleAh yes, trusting made up stats on ai disintegrating water, harassing everyone who dared to use ai once in their life and chopping own genitalia off is very rational. Here's an ai pic for you, cry about it.
>>747561163>unironic usage of "sovl"opinion discarded
>>747561271hey ahmed isnt there some swedish women for you to rape fuck off
>>747561293It's been a while since I saw a gen this deep fried. How did you even achieve this?
>>747561103>spaztranny and the mamizou pedophileJesse what the fuck are you talking about?
>>747561271>has no argument so he copypaste my postsasuga
>>747561380Hang yourself spaztroon
>>747561372No I have touhous to blow upInsha'Reimu
>>747561380of all things that's what u focus on. not the greater point that touhou fans today are retards wholl believe anything you tell them like obedient goyim
>>747561381hey ahmed isnt there some women for you to rape fuck off
>>747561373free gpt from about a few months ago
>>747561480>>747561381
>>747561510No I have touhous to blow upMashalleimu
>>747560405>"Artists" who trace over AI pictures and get called outRetarded example. Youre comparing some bland artist doing bland shitty traced drawovers, and an entire game project where some artist with great art direction making lots of interconnected elements decided to draw over a character portrait in their own style.
>>747561060You have to be a very literal, almost like a robot, to judge art by it's details and not it's subject or the narrative that the artist was trying to pushSome of the greatest memes ever made were draw in mspaint with crude stickman drawings, yet they reach the hearts of many users here like pic relatedIt's not really about "it looks good, what's the problem?" because even it it has millions of details genned to perfection, it does nothing to the brain other than just acknowledge said detail and move on to the next thing, but for most AI gens stuff like that doesn't matter they think in numbers, more is better after all....
>>747561159Yes, now it's even worse
>>747561609Since when the fuck is tracing acceptable anyway? We used to call that shit out and bully people for it.
Can someone post the art from the game's files here? I need to run my own tests on it.
>>747549319>anyone with a 4090 can see that these aren't a real problem.You mean my top-of-the-line personal computer shooting up my electricity bill when I'm using it for heavy workloads isn't real?
Holy shit, AI is everywhere now.
>>747561648That is simply incorrect. The discourse around AI art used to revolve almost entirely around its inability to render fine details and egregious diffusion artifacts that the antis loved pointing out and the pros obsessively hid. So no, it very much is about those details.
>>747561771youre outing yourself as someone who never had strong computer hardware>max power draw of 4090: 450 watts at stock settings, when its running at maximum capacity>your refrigerator: 100-200 watts over the course of a day>your air conditioner: 1000 watts>water heater: 3000 watts>electric oven: 2000 watts
>>747561153Why did you get triggered by the bombing girls postare you really an arab yourself? lol
>>747561609For that example there I can see that it could create the problem of everything looking generic, quoting Miyazaki:>"Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans."
>>747561895i wanted an excuse to make a niche reference
>>747561771the fact that you can afford one and see how efficient it is at producing slop compared to what is being built in datacenters while room temp fartists somehow think all this is just a money laundering scam and not a power grab using actual weaponized aim bots on wings is unbelievable. the fact that these same retards want to regulate it as though everyone who has regulated anything in the last 100 years isn't the one funding it even more so.
>>747561648>You have to be a very literal, almost like a robot, to judge art by it's details and not it's subject or the narrative that the artist was trying to pushAnd is an intentional narrative or subject something that is suddenly gone if an artist uses ANY amount of AI? I don't think so.
nobody's questioning this??? we believe the random twitteroid who says its ai???
>>747561269"Finish my job" it's not a creative process
>>747562015What about the sketching part? Is that not creative?
>>747561968ah yes, the same data centers where flora and fauna is getting destroyed and many people lose homes thanks to that
>>747562014If you have the game post the art files from it >>747561725 pls
>>747561703not really unless you crawl through comment sections on social media for art
>>747562062yes, those same datacenters are, as i just explained to you, not for producing nfts or jeet spam calls. theyre for training machines to kill you.
>ZUN has used AI art before and openly spoken about how much he likes it>oh my science there’s heckin AI art here
>>747562167>>ZUN has used AI artMeds.
>>747561838Those people simply couldn't grasp the long game that these type of technologies could grow in time, they only saw the problem right in front of themAnd now that it has become "good enough" and has no imperfections, some people still prefer something like this >>747561648 over this>>747561293
>>747562205dumb nigger
>>747562284That AI pic is suffering from exactly the kind of artifacts I spoke about though.
>>747562320Not an argument.
>>747562375
>>747533953>twitter seethe to the nth degree whether you generate an entire game, one pixel or they simply suspect ai usethere's no winning, these people would have shit and pissed their pants at the switch from traditional art to digital because you no longer had to mix your own paints
>>747562410It's literally another case of people speculating just like the OP image for the remake. Neither have been proven.
>unintentionally trigger phantasm just trying to clear extra>counts as a failure>phantasm doesn't even show up in the spell practiceI can't believe this shit
>>747562495Fucking ZUN said not once that he uses AI lmao
>>747562492>they simply suspect ai usei love shit like this, literally paranoid schizophrenics randomly melting down for no reason. it's so funny.
>>747561892I'm North Euro, so I don't have an air conditioner. Only a tower fan for the occasional summer heat.My water heater only runs at night when the electricity is cheaper.I know the oven is also a power-hungry appliance, don't be a baka. It does not get used daily, and when it's on it's for a couple hours at most. My computer *is* on daily, for hours on end, and while it's not handling heavy loads all the time it is still a not-insignificant part of my electricity usage.
>>747561945thats completely up to the creatorjust because some giga autist from japan finds it better to do it in one way, that doesnt mean its going to work better for somebody else.In actual circles of people who actually develop successful games, turns out nobody actually gives a shit unless theyre trying to farm internet brownie points
>>747561293>oh you don't like AI sloppa? You must be a tranny!Why do AI jeets always jump to this?
>>747562492I think that's what turns me off the most about this topic. GenAI sucks in a myriad of ways, it has technical problems, it has implementation problems, it has genuine flaws that warrant discussion and potentially solutions, but no, the criticism is instead dominated by intense kneejerk and inane morality arguments.It almost feels like they know and are actively diverting attention from the genuine problems sometimes.
>>747562642>im north euromy condolences i hope you go to a country where leaving your pc on at full power 24/7 only costs $30 a month
Can someone post the art from the game files already? Do any of you even have the game? (very fitting for /v/ I guess)
>>747562693>>oh you don't like AI sloppa? You must be a tranny!who are you quoting?
>>747561981Yes, the artist loses the capacity to make their own decisions and control over their work for a little convenienceAnd when artist become too lenient on their tools their art suffers a massive downgradeExample: see how some mangaka starts to rely on photo bashing or 3D models for their backgrounds instead of drawing it themselves to fit their vision
>>747562710>It almost feels like they know and are actively diverting attention from the genuine problems sometimes.I'm not saying I believe this to be true but I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.
>>747562838>the artist loses the capacity to make their own decisions and control over their work for a little convenienceAre we back in the 00s and complaining about digital tablets again?
>>747561831Yukari is teeen years old
>>747562930>whataboutism
>>747562731I wish I could retort with "well at least the tax money takes care of the more vulnerable people around here", but that's not even true anymore thanks to our current government.
>>747563003You're the one bringing up arguments from a debate almost 30 years past.
>>747563050Do you know nuance to this discussion, anon?>do youAnswer the question, faggot.
>>747563213>Answer the questionI already did, almost 30 years ago. Since you're the one who brought up the exact same argument, you should already be familiar with the answer. On the off chance you're not however just take a look at what thousands of artists around the world use for their work with no worry about their agency. There's your answer.
WE ARE VHU KIRK
>>747563285>not answeringNTA btw
>>747562096Yes reallyGoing from seeing mass produced trash art from 2 or 3 artists to the masses being able to do what those people could, but faster, it's a problem
>>747563340Art is about personal expression. Lowering the entry barrier to enable more people to express themselves is a good thing unless you're an elitist or are trying to embezzle money.
>>747562930I made the example about photobashing exactly for this, the thing is that convenience is poison for creativity and having tools doesn't necessarily make you an artist
is this the thread?
>>747563437AI is the opposite of self expression, there's no self making things, someone else isAlso how do you bring up elitism here when you can pick up a pencil and learn?
>>747563473>having tools doesn't necessarily make you an artistOf course not, being an artist is about creativity and expression. Tools are only facilitators. Which is why, for the same reason, using one tool over another does not dictate whether you are or aren't an artist. Yes, this includes AI-powered tools.
>>747562354It's a throwaway example
>>747563596Ok, then these artists they should be able to replicate what they do with AI in other mediums, like traditional painting, right?
>>747563340>Going from seeing mass produced trash art from 2 or 3 artists to the masses being able to do what those people could, but faster, it's a problemAnd where exactly do you see this?
>>747563707You tell me. Someone who's only ever drawn on a tablet won't be able to do that since the techniques involved are vastly different not to mention the extra requirements of physical media like mixing paints. But does this make the tablet user not an artist? What if we reversed the situation and sat a traditional painter in front of a tablet and Photoshop? You tell me which one's a real artist in this scenario.
>>747563707>Ok, then these artists they should be able to replicate what they do with AI in other mediumsReplicate what exactly? You went on about creativity, but then you are seemingly pivoting to mechanical skill. Are you less of an artists if you can't make a straight line without the assistsnce of a ruler?
>>747563806>Someone who's only ever drawn on a tablet won't be able to do thatIt's deeply funny when AI jeets post crap like this. The main skill involved in actual art is training your eye, which is 1:1 between different mediums. Skill with the medium is not actually a significant factor, people don't mix paint with their eyes closed. If you understand color values you can go from digital to paint without issue, the only problem is it'll take you longer to work with it.An AI jeet will do terrible work in any other medium because jeets aren't artists and have no understanding of art.
>>747563806A tablet user with the right fundamentals and years of experience can learn how to use paints yes, and it won't take long before they start making the same stuff they make digitally, same with the opposite and I think they would time an easier time than the digital artistBoth of them could take a pencil and some paper and make a masterpiece, an aislopper can't, because they do not know how to make stuff, their "tool" does all the heavy work for them which is the point of said "tool"Do you think filling out numbered colors in those papers made for kids makes people artists?
>>747563896She's a big loli
>>747564205For me
>>747564041>A [...] user [...] can learnIndeed, and it doesn't matter what your starting or preferred medium is. Art is about creativity, not the trained skill with the particular tool or medium.>an aislopper can'tThey are no more nor less capable of learning than you or I. Make any and all arguments about motivation and inclinations you want, but don't be disingenuous about the human capacity to learn. You learned, I did, and therefore so can anybody else. These sweeping elitist generalizations aren't helping anyone.
Inmufags still make better use of AI than most of the so-called "anti-anti-AI" fags lmaoSee: YAJU&U and Inmu King
>The year is 2030>AI-powered police drones use AI-powered facial recognitions cams to hunt down dissenters who dared question Israel's actions online>The US government announces another 500 billion investment in new data centers>Half of the new movies and series are AI-generated>Xitter troons are still crying and pissing themselves about indie devs using AI to generate backgrounds or help them code
>>747564554>loud minority mysteriously pushed hard by a platform's algorithm>focused on attacking independent small time creators over the heavily AI-invested corporation whose platform they post onWhat could possibly be happening here?????? Gee I wonder!
>>747564256How is it creativity when someone else is doing the job for you? A creative person can do anything, anytime, anywhere, because of the years they have honed their skills to solve problems>They are no more nor less capable of learning than you or I.Sure, but do they want to? Maybe notI could say a friend of mine could become an artist, but right now they aren't, does that mean everyone in the world is an artist with this argument?Being this butthurt about being called a real artist or not and bringing up elitism out of nowhere makes me feel like most aisloppers are just needs who are eternally jealous
>>747564554>>747564705Right-wing antisemites are not safe BTW
>>747563775You see a lot of it here on 4chan for examplePixiv got absolutely demolished by the amount of ai pictures(I'm glad there's a toggle), porn in general for obscure characters they now have thousands of samey pictures, it's very bad
>>747564802Creativity =/= skill with tool. Can you draw on paper? Maybe you can. Can you paint? Maybe you can do that too. But can you play the harp? No? Oh dear, that must mean you are not an artist. After all, a creative person can do anything, anytime, anywhere. Right?>SureWell, it's good to see that we agree on this at least.>but do they want to? I don't know, as I'm not a mind reader. Are you?>Being this butthurt about being called a real artist The definition of an artist has been the subject of debate for longer than all of us collectively in this thread have been alive. It's not any particular group's "butthurt" that engenders this topic. It's been around forever.Also, do you not think that vehemently denying one particular subset of creator the label of "real artist" based on extremely personal criteria makes you the butthurt one?
>>747564028>If you understand color values you can go from digital to paint without issue, the only problem is it'll take you longer to work with it.so we're just straight-up lying at this point, huhwhatever makes you feel better I guess
You will be replaced.
>>747563901That's not what mechanical skill is, anonMechanical skill is doing a perfect line effortlessly without using any tools, creativity is using said lines for something greater
>>747564802>How is it creativity when someone else is doing the job for youNo one tell him how movie directors, or manga assistants, or animation teams
It's funny how AI slop defenders act like they're some kind of freethinking connoisseurs as if AI isn't beloved mostly by jeets and the elderly.
>>747565079>something greaterSince you seem to have this whole thing that people have been arguing about for hundreds of years pinned down, can we have a clear definition, pretty please?
>>747533953Isn’t the only reason why you fuckers pretend to support ai art is because you want artists to stop charging so much for commissions, and stop making so little much off furry porn, or something? It was it because of how annoying artists were acting on Twitter? Is it really worth it though with the amount of low-quality slop taking away human made art? You would think it would give real artists more time to focus on actually good stuff that they actually care about instead of porn furry slop, but God everything is so flooded with ai-slop that it’s a headache But 4chan only supports things out of spite, never because they actually care about what they are supporting anything more to spite a group that they are annoyed with.I can’t draw very well because my finer motor coordination is terrible, but if I was dedicated enough to want to bring a video-game project to life I would spend the extra hours needed to learn to draw
>>747565048Do you think artists just have to start from zero again if they change the medium?
>>747564983>Pixiv got absolutely demolished by the amount of ai pictures(I'm glad there's a toggle), porn in general for obscure characters they now have thousands of samey pictures, it's very badboth of these are piss-easy to filter so I never understood how people pretend like it's the end of the worldnot like the vast majority of porn was good before, the only difference is that I know need to add something else to my filters
>>747565251>Isn’t the only reasonThe short answer is no. Hope that helps you understand.
>>747533712Japan loves ai art. It’s all over the place here. It’s in the trains, on tv, etc etc. no one cares. It’s always funny when the anti ai luddites discover this because they have a boner for Japan and a hate boner for ai. Makes them seethe. Funny to watch. No surprise they are using it in game development
>>747539453he was white as a sheet
>>747565280Pixiv's case is problematic because their definitions of AI art are too fucking vague, and since it's up to the uploader to mark their shit as AI they are given an easy out to avoid doing that.
>>747565251>Isn’t the only reason why you fuckers pretend to support ai art is because you want artists to stop charging so much for commissionsno?
>>747565189I see it as two groups:>group 1 using AI for low-quality work that looks "good enough" for them>group 2 using AI to boost busywork like decompilations and automation pipelineswhat we always see is group 1 larping as if they were group 2, even when it's obvious to anyone how low-quality their output is. But this also poisons the well, because if group 2 came in with good results by using AI, they get immediately dismissed solely by association with group 1.
>>747565079You do not use a brush with water colors the exact same way as you would with colored penicls. You do not use a fountain pen the exact same way as you would chalk. Going across mediums means changing tools which means different means of mechanical maniuplation which DOES mean its about mechanical skill regardless of creative intent.
The futa drought is unbearable
>>747565290Japenese artists are anti-AI for copyright reasons even though they've been drawing fanart of characters from copyrighted IPs
>>747542935>most easily faked screenshot ever
>>747540454>IIIIIt's IV. IIII is simply wrong.
>>747533712Retards have never heard of a clock maker's 4? It should be IIII
>>747565528I remember when ai art became a thing there was a big deal about how it was causing these artists you were annoyed with to have a meltdown, just before ai art there were plenty of threads complaining about artists and the shit they were saying on twitter
>>747565251If the art looks good then I don't give a shit how its made. AI art generally looks like shit but I don't agree with the notion that it is impossible to make good art just because of the usage of ANY amount of AI regardless of context.
>>747533712Flan is about to stop being fiction.
>>747565805Nvm I couldn't see the actual V in the Twitter screen cap carry on
>>747565285>>747565528lie
>>747565825I remember, I was there too and saw how nothing of what you just said happened.
>>747565872Except that 90% it will suck ass because an AI doesn't have enough complexity of a human brain.
>>747565825>big deal about how it was causing these artists you were annoyed with to have a meltdownThe only annoyance I had with artists was them blacking out their uploads, like they did on Pixiv, because it prevented me and other viewers from viewing their art. That was a meltdown, and it was annoying, I admit. It still annoys me how some of them purposely over-compress or put an ugly filter on their uploads because of the AI boogeyman.Whatever else you're implying sounds made up though.
>>747565962yeah well even with all the talent combined we've been getting nothing but slop the last 10 years from "human" developers
>>747565671>zoom zoom confuses modern writing convention with age old tradition
>>74756596290% of non-AI art sucks ass too.
>>747565619A minority might be. But there is AI art all over the place. At least one ad on any train in my morning commute. Restraunts, bars, live music gig flyers, tv commercial's, it’s everywhere. The only people I ever hear complain about it are other foreigners at work. Japanese employees use that shit like it’s free (it is)
>>747566072You're not allowed to say that.
>>747565973>>747565923Ah, whatever maybe I am misremembering but I do remember that the original big push support for AI art here was basically the full of the usual contrarianism in one way or another
>>747566148Look at it like this. Artists have been having meltdowns since long before AI. Deleting their social media, ranting on Xitter, the works. Anyone wishing for them to have meltdowns because of AI specifically was clearly unfamiliar with their MO and most likely a tourist.
>>747533712Slophus...
mambo
>>747565043Why are you bringing up music when we are talking about graphical art? or did you literal brain incapable of abstract thinking saw the word "creative person" and looked to the dictionary for the vast meaning of it and thought that was a gocha?Again, complaining about elitism is dumb when anyone can get into it, just pick up a pencil, brush, tablet whatever and start, it's not that complex, but no, they won't even put the effort for that.
In case of pc98 remakes(lol) who are you guys the most excited to see in full HD?
>>747533953No, i have AI fatigue. Go try to appeal to /v/ contrarianism with something else.
>>747565226Here you go, or do you want a prompt of hundreds of lines of text explaining it instead?
>>747565602Are you arguing the use of AI slop is a mechanical skill?
yatsuliberals crying about Ai again?
>>747566503>it's not that complex, but no, they won't even put the effort for that.You know that's the exact complaint that was directed at digital art when it was new, right? And digital music? And film. And synthesizers. And pre-mixed paints. And anything and everything that ever made art more accessible.You're repeating history and you aren't even aware.
something that makes me curious, what does the Japanese think about this remake?
>>747566029Now you'll get even more rancid slop from indian LLM prompters.
>>747560429Would be pretty ironic since according to ZUN she was created for the shake of giving fairy mobs a "face" of sorts and ZUN has gone on record about how easy she was to designFunny how Daiyousei and Lily panned out to be face of mob fairies in the end
>>747566632No, I'm arguing that not being able to replicate across different mediums is a matter of mechanical skill. You can have a trained eye and a creative mind and not be able to make a straight line without a ruler. You can be a god at sketching and still be dogshit at making grafitti art with a spray can.The only thing inherent in AI usage is lack of intentionality; which can be mitigated to an almost neglible degree with proper control and/or minimal usage. And that's talking about AI as it is now, where it isn't even good.
>>747539074I'm fed up with people being fed up. Don't like when people complain? Cool, don't reply.
>>747558547>It's ok when a human does it
>>747562635That's what the OP literally is
>>747566717The invention of those tools was made to explore other alternatives that you couldn't get with the technology at the time, in the case of synthesizers they can make sounds no normal instrument can make naturally, and they explored a whole new world to use those new sounds, just like how certain colors for paints couldn't be made in ancient times.You entire argument is anchored between art being something accesible to the masses, but failing to realize it's always been there and you could always get into it but don't want to.
Even if this isn't AI-Generated, it's still shit because it really shows you never really cared about the product. If this game was released in 2006 then it would have rightfully be dogpilled on for being so low quality.>b-butYes, nigger. "There's the original" or "There's an option to switch back in" doesn't nullify the fact that the new soundtracks are bad and we shouldn't let it slide just because. You're paying $18 for>poorly made background>poorly made portraits>poorly made music (even the most changed additions are very questionable)Not to mention it's that version where you can play it without patches, this is the first ever remake of the franchise where it's far more accessible and it's an inferior version of the original. I don't even like saying this but newfags deserve better than this. And this franchise as well.
>>747533712The only good 2hu games are eraTW and TohoK
>>747563003>>whataboutismEver since that word was discovered internet debate has become insufferable, what do you mean I cannot bring something to my argument because YOU decided arbitrarily that it's unrelated
AI is doujin spirit o algo.
SA (sexual assault) remake?
>>747567475Because the argument is question has nothing to do with the recent argument, jeet?
>>747567537>ad hominem
>>747567276The same applies to AI art. Let kids explore their creativity using the tools technology brought forward, even if you personally had no access to them, you bitter old cunt. You tried to put me down as a musician because I chose to learn how to use a synth back in the day, and you're doing the same shit now. Fuck you and your ilk.
>>747566506YuugenMagan
>>747567591saaar
>>747543613Does anyone have a picture of this Marauder Shields fairy?
>>747567591So I was right, it is personal, you are simply jealous of real artists
>>747567276>The invention of those tools was made to explore other alternatives that you couldn't get with the technology at the timeExplain to me how the fill tool in Paint is something you couldn't achieve with older technology by just filling it in yourself.
>>747567696maaa'aaam
>>747567723>real artistsSomething you'll never be, no matter how hard you try to prevent competition from arising.
>>747560389That's irrelevant, that's about the false negative rate. If it flags it as AI, it is AI.
>>747566506SoEW for HD Meira
Which 2hu is fat and hairy?Wrong answers only
So to derail 2hu threads just focus on AI?
>>747533712Hino fucking won.
>>747567773That thing is there for convenience, the point of most digital plataforms is to have all these tools at hand, but you still gotta paint something yourself, if it already existed then this was just the faster improved version of itThere are certain things you can do in digital that you can't do in traditional and it's to undo an action
>>747568058or anything really
Kukulu today
>>747567809Keep crying, real artists still earn a pretty dime for their craft and people love them for it (the thing all you sloppers care about and keep pursuing with no avail), and AIslop hasn't been accepted like they told us 2-3 years ago.
>>747568269>Keep cryingYou're the one crying about MUH REAL ART, dude.
>>747568147>That thing is there for convenience>the convenience of not painting it yourself>you still gotta paint something yourself thoughMkay
>>747561158>>747561380He’s probably referring to Mamizoo. That nigga who hates modern touhou and thinks ZUN is a hack.
I just want the character art but i don't know how to rip it or where to find it
>>747568269i could never fellate strangers on the internet like this
>>747568352You derailed an entire thread defending AI however
>>747568598Giving me a lot of credit there.
AI will never surpass the boundless creativity of humanity
>>747568429Hey, like I said that's the thing those people get attached the most, if you go to any AI thread that's exactly what they care about the most, money and fameThey try to makes themselves the good guys preaching stuff like >>747567591 with muh art for everyone, but they are wolves in sheep clothingSo remind them of the reality and they'll get upset
>>747568849>what they care about the most, money and fameWell they've got that in common with real artists.
new>>747568754>>747568754
I wish we could nuke India.
>>747568849>if you go to any AI thread that's exactly what they care about the most, money and fameprojecting.
>>747568363Ah ok. The only other Mamizoufag I know is a woke fat mexican
>>747551270>No you don't understand I NEED to be lazy! AI does things I HATE doing so there's nuance!
