>>747537408Yes.
your dad
>>747537408My skitarii isn't anywhere near this cute
>>747537408those who buy GW models
The humans that are desperately clinging to life and definitely not the faggots that rape shit murder and subvert the very fabric of reality
>>747537408The emperor is the bad guy for fundamentally fucking up by trying to be a fedora even though he should have understood the situation clearer than anyone else.A random ex bandit priest literally saw the future coming clearer than the combined ancestrial primordial psychic shamanic wisdom of the entierty of humanity, thus proving the superiority of monotheism.He had his own fucking offspring trying to convince him that he needs to leverage religion and not try to stamp it out and he still didnt listen. What the fuck? Does he represent human hubris or something?Also GW and to a lesser extent any space marine fanboy are the bad guys for slowly causing the cool 1980s occult based metaphysical psychological interpretation of the world morph into something clearly written by people who dont have the faintest idea how egregores even work.
>>747537408Everyone except da Orkz.Pretty sure the space commies haven't done anything canonically wrong except being space commies
>>747538165Don't they sterilize humans that join them?
>>747537408>>747538165The space commies may or may not be subjugated by their albino overlords and may or may not be technically enslaving their client races. Lest we forget, codices are meant to be written in universe and therefore everything is canon, not everything is true.Well except for Black Library. Everything I hate in Black Library is wrong and noncanon.
>>747538041>Does he represent human hubris or something?He represents all of humanity, with all of its virtues AND flaws. Primarchs are essentially just every major human trait made flesh - just deconstructed components of their father's psyche.
>>747537408bugmen and tyrannids
>>747538165Space commies run a society of big brother mind control assholes. Imagine if the lighter shaded Indians could order around the brown ones by smell. That's the Tau.
>>747538364The only in canon thing saying anything like that is from an imperial agent that hasn't even been to a Tau planet.While sterilization may be a tactic used when deemed needed, they're not just sterilizing every non-tau that's showing up.
the emperor ruined everything for everyone
>>747539232>A delta of crimsonTau blood is canonically blue. Who the fuck wrote this?
>>747538364There's only two mentions of that:>one is a non-canon ending of a DoW expansion where an imperial character thinks its happening>And one mention in the dubiously canon FFG deathwatch rpg, which exists in it's own bubble of canonicity where Tau can cure genestealers, the Severan dominate exists and rogal dorn is confirmed dead with his entire corpse being on displayThe whole "shrinking auxiliary populations over time" thing is also pretty out of character for wider Tau lore just like the Tau themselves their auxilaries are also expanding and where seizing worlds with the greater good is a multi-generational process that's a significant investment for them
>>747538398>may or may not be technically enslaving their client racesIt's pretty clear their overt influence over the kroot is tenuous at best
>>747539574wrong, it was the necrons, and then it was the eldar and only then it was the emperor, which is the final nail in the coffin or one of the final nails if you want to be positive
>>747539641It's changed from author to author over the years. Farsight picked red as his color to honor the blood spilled by his fellow tau. Dunno if that fact is still considered true. In the end, they're fake people in a fake setting. Canon can only enter your games if you let it. Make their blood whatever color you want.
>>747539574>>747539758Compared to the crons and eldar the emperors fuck ups barely even register. It's not even entirely on him, the primarchs growing up as damaged goods was a group effort.
>>747537408I get that the emperor had to deal with the hand he was dealt when it came to the primarchs, but did he really need to give a guy named Angron who has nails in his brain that make him constantly angry and hates the emperor a legion of roided out super soldiers who will listen to anything he says?
>>747540004trust the great plan
>>747540004pls understand the Great Crusade is on a tight time schedule
>>747539232The outright mind control think Kelly tried to push makes a lot of Tau lore make no sense (notably a few cases where tau just straight up ignore them), thankfully he seemed to dial it down. Having Tau follow the ethereals because of their culture of obedience and the odd off-page reeducation camps makes more sense than Ethereals having a hormone that somehow works over radio and that nobody else ever seemed to detect>>747539641It's like Orks having green blood. They had uniquely colored blood in a single codex or two and then because painting red on minis is more intuitive pretty much every faction bleeds red now
>>747539574Chaos was inevitable as humanity grew. Psykers are one of the best ways to fight daemons anyway. If he had simply suppressed human psyker evolution chaos would have been ten times worse.
>>747540004The core fuck ups of the HH really revolve around Logar and Magnus. Everyone else, even Horus, was just collateral damage.
>>747540004I like to subscribe to the belief (assuming it wasn't made canon, or clearly non-canonical) that the Emperor knew that roughly half of the primarchs would turn on him and he was basically just picking the ones he felt would be the least successful at it. If he didn't let Angron do stuff an actually competent fighter might have turned bad instead.
>>747540202Horus is at least as retarded as Magnus. When he's being mind raped by Erebus, he's like>you ain't Hastur Sejanusand then Magnus shows up and says>brother don't be deceived by this slimy character, he ain't Hastur Sejanusand then Horus decides to listen to Erebus anyways because he's a retard
>>747540339Oh, Also Fulgrim, after being shocked out of his possession when he killed Manus and trapped in a painting for like a year, got out of the painting, and threw the demon into it, and just decided that being evil was cool, and also we, the readers, don't get to read any of that.
>>747537408All of them.The Imperium are "least bad" because they are humans who are working with a fucked situation in order to survive a universe that wants them dead. On average humans are the most cruel to other humans, but if left by themselves, any of the other factions would be worse for humanity.
>>747540463Fulgrim getting jacked by a magic devil sword is actually the least retarded fall of all the traitor Primarchs.And then he off-screen out sick fucks the sick fuck daemon and blows it.
>>747537408aliums
>>747538398>may or may not be technically enslaving their client racesThe only example people can bring up is the vespid, but them being mind controlled was literally an in-universe conspiracy theory mentioned once and all other vespid lore disproves it instantly. Unfortunately imperium fans don't actually read lore for other factions before acting like they know about themTo show i'm not arguing in bad faith here are the actual canon examples of Tau mindcontrol:>Charpactin, the mushroom race help the Tau empire's military police because they can emit strobes of light that make people docile, but less mind control and more a form of crowd control>The Nagi, psychic worms who appear in the novel broken sword. One of them main human characters in the book has a Nagi hanging around him but it's pretty clear the Nagi is more of an insurance policy since that human achieved an extremely high rank in Tau society to the point of being gifted his own crisis suit and command of some fire warriors>Jules rare, who got fitted with an inhibitor chip, but that's also an insurance policy since he was a double agent sent to spy on the Tau who started simping for his Ethereal GF, and since he was a tempestus scion acting as an Ethereal's bodyguard him getting the chip was actually necessary to counteract the imperial mind control he got from being a scion
>>747540004>but did he really need to give a guy named Angron who has nails in his brain that make him constantly angry and hates the emperor a legion of roided out super soldiersYes, Big E did try to remove the Nails but removing would've killed Angron. He gave Angry Ron the War Hounds because they were already bloodthirsty freaks, even Sanguinious called them "a Carnival of Monsters" when brought a world to "compliance" while leaving no survivors. Big E sent the World Eaters to the ass end of the galaxy to fight battles that needed to be fought but didn't really matter
how come sisters of battle never fall to chaos
>>747541452cus lorgar was right and faith is humanity's true strength
>>747537461/thread
>>747541452They do Miriael Sabathiel and the Iconoclast turned to Chaos, and recently an entire chapter of them were corrupted by Khorne
Angron is the biggest piece of shit amongst the Primarchs. He hates the nails. He really, really fucking hates the nails. He hates the nails as much as he hates himself and the Emperor and all the other things that he really, really hates. And he ordered the World Eaters to implant their own shitty temu nails. It would be one thing if he was being his typical sulky asshole self and the World Eaters, in another one of their wacky "make dad love us" plots decided to start implanting nails on their own in a rudderless attempt to understand Angron, but no: he put the order in himself.What a dickhead.
>>747541452Sisters of Battle do fall to Chaos. They only very rarely willingly embrace Chaos. Usually they have to be forced into it.
>>747541602>>747541689black library will never be canonit has not happened even one single time
>>747541914https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miriael_Sabathielthis came out in 2006
>>747537408All of the factions are bad. At the very most there are good individuals in some of them that try their best and generally fail.
>>747542037the year should matter why?black library fanfics will never be canon
>>747541914The iconoclast was before black libraryalso having every member of the sisters of battle be 100% immune to chaos as soon as they get initiated is retarded, especially with all the excess and bloodlust they do
>>747541689>>747541452Pretty sure part of the whole point is that literally no one is immune to falling to chaos. Anything that claims immunity is in-universe propaganda.
>>747542128She was from a Card game>>747542157That and Chaos corrupts in ways that some people don't even realized that they've fallen
>>747537408Games Workshop
>>747542273true
>>747542157>>747542258then it would happen in official lore not gay fanficsthem being immune adds to the emperor being another chaos god, their fanatics never "fall" to order so it makes sense the emperor's version of them would be the sameonly the faithless and doubters are vulnerable
>>747542226The only actual example of true immunity is that one time a demon tries to corrupt a custodes as says he could probably do it but it'd take longer than the lifetime of a star to do, usual custodeswankThere is however also the silver knight of slaanesh that marinefags desperately try to claim is just a random space marine instead of a grey knight who jizzed his pants after looking at slaanesh like how the story implied
>>747537408why does always it have to be "who good and who bad" to you fags
>>747542445>emperor being another chaos godThat was only on the verge of happening in a book written 20 years after chaos sisters were written, weren't you complaining about black library a moment ago?Slaanesh has already stolen shit from the other chaos gods anyway like making khornate berserkers immediately pledge themselves to her futa cock lol
>>747542445THISI am so tired of people giving chaos all this power but sisters of battle have to be weak ryona corruption bait because of porn addled retards.
>>747537408Every non-human and every chaosfag
>>747542978plenty official lore to suggest the emperor is a god down to the sister's main army mechanic with miracle dice, faith is power in this universe, i guess i can conceed it isnt outright impossible it should just be about as likely as a khorne berzerker seeing the error of his ways
>>747541689God that's hot.
>>747537408If you want to make a competition out of it then it's got to be the Necrons. They're the original villains and every other problem in the setting except the Tyranids is essentially a byproduct of The War In Heaven and the galaxy it created.
>>747542445>them being immune adds to the emperor being another chaos god,He's not a chaos god, there's a human portion of the warp and it's where he gets his power. It's also how Celestine manifest.Lorgar himself is so terrified of the Big E actually dying that he's working to prevent it
Do chaosfags ever get tortured and humiliated into breaking their faith the way imperiumfags always seem to?
>>747543985There was that one time when some Death Guard lost their connection to the Warp and began to feel all of the afflictions they had been "blessed" with
>>747537408Games work shop.
>>747543985the dark angels have interrogator chaplains and that's their entire job
>>747537408Chaos you could always blame chaos for all evil shit that happen
i was reading horus rising and near the end keeler was revealed to be a sex-having whore so i stopped caringi thought imperium was supposed to be good and moral. they're all just immoral decadent promiscuous degenerates. and this is supposed to be the golden age of the empire
>>747542642It's midwit bait
>>747543985When someone drinks the chaos koolaid, they're usually completely genuine in whatever psychotic beliefs they have like being violent or being into bdsm or shitting themselves. Unless they've just been initiated they usually go all in no matter how blatantly self destructive chaos is.The average imperial outside of the more directly religious factions like black templars only worship the emperor because they're told to. Their faith in the emperor is paper thin and if they ever have to back up their own beliefs in the imperial cult they freeze up. That's one of the reasons why chaos can easily crop up in every imperial world, most of the people in the imperium are highly suggestable sheep who are easy prey for any chaos champion wanting to start their own cult
>>747544395You have a very unhealthy view of sex anon.
WOAH THIS THREAD AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN WOOOAAAAH
>>747545552it was the normal and healthy view of sex until the society's moral values were subverted by the jews with what they called the "sexual liberation". everything has been getting worse since then
>>747537408Everyone.Except the Empire Farsight
>>747541607The damnation of the World Eaters falls on themselves, ESPECIALLY Kharn. They could have refused Angron's orders(he's killed dozens of them for way less) but they were desperate for daddys approval. Kharn even dragged Angron back when he tried to runaway and be a caveman on some feral world.Reminder that their first feat as a legion post Angron's ascension is getting completely humiliated by the Iron Warriors lmao.
I love Rogue Trader because it highlights what a flaming garbage dump imperial society is
>>747544395Imperium of Weimar It is a "traditionalist" and fascist state but their traditions are based on atheistic values. The normal humans aren't as stern and dedicated as the Astartes so they end up being decadent. They aren't much better than Slaanesh worshipers.
>>747540975Well to be clear, all I'm saying is there's some vague implications as well there should be but most importantly no source should be taken at face value. Except BL because that shit sucks unless it fits my narrative.
>>747537408Imperium, obviously.
>>747546646Dark Heresy will be even better because we're just be a lowly acolyte instead of a Rogue TraderCan't wait
>>747537408Who ever I hate at the time.
>>747545817Not really. You know nothing of history beyond the last 2 centuries if that.
>>747546248Kek
Eldar.
