>""classic+"">all new classes are paid DLC>pay to convenience itemsKWABthey really shut down turtle for this
>>747538567
I boughted
>>747539306thanks for funding the game for the next year
>New retail classes while the old classes are fucking dogshit with hardly any changes, besides a talent or 2 per spec. >Ugly retail UI>Ugly retail faggot $30 race. Who is this for exactly?
>>747538567I'd be interested if they added Worgen
>>747538567i'd be interested if they added PoE item crafting
>>747539939Millennials chasing their childhood again.
>another classic>dies in 6 monthslmao
Imagine being a Blizzard/WoW dev and realizing the thing fans want most is to undo the last 20 years of content and go back to the beginning
>>747540274I was just thinking about this today, along with all of the other presentations that they purposely put before WoW Classic because they knew no one actually cared about them. The lukewarm clapping was painful to watch. I'm not sure what kind of psycho would send every other announcement out to die before classic WoW.
>>747540114To prevent this they called it forever
>just be happy we got classic+>other than the elves it looks cool! >the quest tracking and transmog are toggles you can just ignore itblizztrannies will really eat any shit blizzard shovels into their mouths. turtle really died for this shit..
>>747539939blizzard adults who can't move on and will buy ANYTHING blizz puts outthey're also buying D5 after getting rugpulled on D4
>>747538567It's retail reboot.
>>747538567not a wow player and I legitimately don't even understand what this is supposed to beis this "full version" of wow classic? is this a wow classic exclusive expansion? is this bringing nu-wow content to wow classic?I get that I'm not the target audience but holy fucking shit they did a terrible job explaining what this even is
>>747538567>when classic was first announced everyone said it should be 1:1 the same as it originally was and that a "classic+" would be dogshit>fast forward>classic+ announced>the same people are now soi facing and seal clapping
Retail UI will literally kill the whole thing for me. Is there really no option for a fully vanilla UI?
>>747541126you could at least mod it back to vanilla
>>747538567what new classes?
>>747541163But why should you have to do that? This is classic plus, a continuation of vanilla. Why would they make the dragonflight ui, built in 2022, the default experience? It makes no sense
>>747539306/spit
>>747540934It is OSRS for WoW. It is going to try to stick to vanilla spiritually (lol blue elves) and keep the level cap at 60 while adding more horizontal progression. They are focused on expanding the lore and systems from vanilla rather than making you go to a new dimension or new continent to do content that instantly invalidates the old content. They are trying to apply fixes that everyone begged for, like updating some of the classes/specs. They want you to focus more on doing things like leveling up crafting/gathering skills for account wide perks.
>>747540934what the other guy said plus a class rebalance + new skills
>>747541423I don't understand how wow is supposed to have "horizontal progression". You can max out your character's level in a couple weeks of dedicated play, you can max out professions in two hours assuming you can afford the mats.Making it last forever like OSRS would require a fundamental re-design of the leveling system, how professions work, how gear works. Wow was always designed to be an ADHD progression game based on raid tiers and it was always that even during vanilla 1.0.Also OSRS is not fun and doesn't even have gameplay. They should have just released a seasonal reset system like diablo 2 or path of exile have.
>>747541423its a nice idea but i genuinely dont think anyone at blizz is smart enough to design around horizontal progression >5% damage against naga once per hour on a trinket!
>>747538675this dude still around? haven't seen him since classic release i think
>>747538567>2026>People still surprised Blizzard sucksIts honestly incredible how much power you have given this company over you. There are beaten wives that go back to their abusive husbands less than you guys do holy fuck.
How can they keep people playing forever without adding a bunch of the tranny features of modern wow like pokemon battles, achievements, transmog collecting, etc.Classic wow at max level has zero content besides raid logging and farming mats for potions. There's no reason to log on and play that game every day once you hit 60.
>>747541423>We want to make WoW about the journey and not the destination, its all about the world now>Btw here is a new set of raid unlocks, max level required to try them, 4 weeks into the gameMake no mistake, this is just WoW Classic, but with some new content to make it seem better. Its not the "Classic +" people actually asked for or want
>>747541801you joke but a 5% dps boost on a trinket would be huge
>>747538567>>""classic+""Isn't that good? too much + would be retail>>all new classes are paid DLCwtf>>pay to convenience itemsany examples?
>>747541114>the same people are now soi facing and seal clappingthere is no more new money to be made from classic, hardcore was the last boost that game could have possibly gotten. if streamers/content creators are going to get any kind of new audience it has to be a new game so of course they have to love it, even the faggot in picrel who is the most annoying piece of shit about anything WoW related has to feign excitement
>>747542120he must be talking about some private server. they havent announced any new classes at all let alone new ones you have to pay for
>>747541801every expansion gets lifesteal or multistrike or haste or masteryor items that have a chance replace stats with different statsor items that can give items x% more statsor items that can make a sword into a mace for example, or plate into clothor items that add rune slots or gem slotsor items with +X to talentsor items with your projectile skills chain +1 timesor items with +25% aoe rangeor fuck it and just add ultra-legendaries
>>747539306i hope you get better anon
>made to appeal to Retail playersAlready off to a bad start.
>>747539306same
Just Fuck My Shit Up Senpai
>>747538567Trailer was pure foidslop, That's all I needed to see it's going to be trash.
>>747540934It's WoW but without all of the damaging systems they've added to the game over the years. Ignore that it's an extension of Classic, or that it uses cheap tricks to play into nostalgia. What people are buying is the promise that Blizzard has learned their lesson. Not saying that they have, but you asked who this is for, so..
would this be a good time to jump into wow for the first time? always been curious. i was an RO girlie during wow's heyday and am currently a 14sissy
>>747538567IdgiIs now a good time to get into wow?
I played OG vanilla and TBC, tried retail a few times after and hated it. Didn't care for classic or SoD.Would I like this? I suspect I know the answer, so be straight with me
I'd wait to see how the classes are. Arms warrior might finally be fun to play again.
>>747542737no unless you love guzzling cum from a firehose
>>747542737you won't like it unless you have people to play it with
>>747542737>tried retail a few times after and hated itwhy? i always see people say this and they dont say why
>>747542768>Overpower on rend proc, but only usable on primary target.>RP dismounting ability.Everything else is the same.We can keep on coping arms warr bro, furry will still dominate because blizzard are spinless lazy pigs.
>>747542837>whyits because retail wow is not fun to play, its a chore
>>747542837>why?Leveling experience was pretty meh, I tried timewalking various xpacs and never enjoyed questing too much. I enjoyed dungeons but don't like the queue simulator and how fast they are. Combat I usually found fun when I found the right class/spec. Endgame pulled me out of it completely. I'm a sweat, but I tire of weekly RNG gear treadmills and the design of m+ and am similarly uninterested in yuge 20/40 mane raidz. I prefer more "emergent" endgame as opposed to job application simulator. I know that's a hard ask these days though.I feel like the proliferation of add-ons also rips out a lot of the soul of the game. I played FFXIV for a long time too and saw them absolutely demolish that game for the everyday player. RMT and botting running rampant sure don't help. The WoW token is also gay as fuck.
>>747540695>turtle really died for this shit..Literally no better than other wowfags
>>747541423OSRS is a fundamentally different game.Nobody is going to do sweaty WoW raids if there isnt a carrot to chase
>>747541114The "no changes" thing was almost immediately backtracked by the community as soon as they saw how turbo gay the metagaming circle was in combination with how shit the game could be if you played the wrong way. It was the true "you think you do, but you don't" moment for the community.
>The only changes for arms. Defend this spinless laziness.
>>747540695>Classic+>Look inside>Is Retail-
>>747541423you can just burn through the content in wow so fast it could never be like osrs unless they make leveling take fucking forever and reduce droprates massively
>>747538567So if I don't care about raids this game is for me? I always just liked the leveling and quest experience aspect in WoW
>>747542485This is long overdue. They have sucked ass at making armor look appropriate to its type for many many years. There's tons of cloth shit that looks like plate and vice versa.
I will be leveling an undead prot paladin and quit at 60 because I'm too shy to raid like I did on turtlewow
>>747543584although on turtlewow I played human so I'm excited to try horde for ince
>>747542550>>747541423But how can we trust that blizzard isn't going to fuck it up? All the old employees are gone and the current employees are ones that fucked up retail
>>747538567So it wasn't Classic +!!In your face to the guy on /v/ that was so sure of himself and that if was "basically confirmed".
>>747543584Same
>>747543258Bloodthrill is stronk and makes rend not completely worthless applying at least. Spearing Strike seems like it should be ranged or something
>>747540934It's what happens when "old thing good, new thing bad" continues for 20 years until people are bored of old thing but still don't want to stop playing it.
>>747543258dang if only they had added giants or dragonkin as playable races, then that ability maybe could have been interesting. alas we have lost the technology to produce races that are not elf reskins.
>>747543654I am just describing the sales pitch. I am highly skeptical.
>>747543210the no changes crowd was betrayed immediately when blizzard stuck with with 1.12 itemization and talents for the entirety of classic.
Why would this be better than Classic? In the end, players will still minmax everything
youll play WoW forever /v/.
>>747538567>>""classic+""More like Retail -They had to add blue blood elves to the horde. Those retards just couldn't help themselves, huh?
>>747543728name one race that exists in vanilla that can fit through doors and has legs that people would want to play
>>747543258What did Arms do to be so hated? They were good maybe TWO expansions.
>>747542837Too much convenience removed the feeling of being part of a virtual world, just a game that has a bigger map now.
>>747543654They included every single buzzword in their announcement so it must be good.
>>747543714Bloodthrill is good but that's literally it for the whole spec. Nothing else has changed.
>blizzard strolls up to turtle wow devs>punch them in the gut>steal their shit>call it wow forever and annouce it at blizzconactually fucking BASEDfuck private server trannies and blizzard does their best work stealing from othersi'm too poor to play but this is pretty based
>>747543804Every faction needs a pretty looking race.How else will you sell transmog for them.
>>747543258Hope might not be lost yet, if Deep wounds functions like wrath (like it did in Sod) then arms can still make it out OK
>>747543881Worst part is the name, WoW was already forever.
>>747543584Whoa, I don't remember making this post.
>>747543258>Defend this spinless laziness.they don't need changesyou will still have 25 warriors in every raid
>>747538675>classic grifters start coming out of the woodwork for easy cashI expect Kargoz and Meldaron are right behind him.Not content to ruin one game, the crusade must march on.
>>747543774>he thinks i can afford $15 a month in this economy as an unhirable male who even gets refused for welfare
>>747543825I think it would be cool if you could play elementals. You start as a formless spark in the void between the elemental planes and you pick which one you want to be, and that has drastic ramifications on your character, so a fire elemental mage and an earth elemental mage play completely differently.
I'm assuming it does server sharding and LFG shit that instantly warps you inside the dungeon with a bunch of randos you'll never see again so the social aspect will just be shot to shit right
Druid doesn't have a lot of changes either. I think feral will rape with their capstone but I think balance and resto are still cucked
Was I only the only retard hoping for wrath classes in the lvl 60 classic world?
>>747543936yea name is gay, granted its better than calling it "classic+", that would have been gayerhonestly it all looked cool but the only thing that worried me is the horizontial progression, feels like if it truly goes on forever, new players get fucked since you join like a year later, and everyones on like tier 23
>>747543959>his not on eternal autism aspergers bucksstep it up senpai
>>747544034shoulda called it World of Warcraft Retoilet: Reflushening
>>747544032TBC classes with a couple extra features, gimmicks, maybe a new class profession, is the ideal for classic+.
Looking at the rogue tree is fucking depressingthose tards really have no idea what to do with the class in any version of this stupid game
>>747538567So they're just selling the same thing for a third time?
>>747542239>turtle wow>:(>turtle wow, blizzard:O
>>747543997>I'm assuming it does server shardingThere will be one mega server per region and playstyle (PVE/PVP/RP)Small servers were a technical limitation of it's time.>LFG shit that instantly warps you inside the dungeonno
>>747544034No worries, they'll add catch up mechanics, so every new player will instantly get like tier 21-22
>>747544179Rogue is a PvP class, there's no clean way to make it work outside of PvP without dramatically altering it to be something it isn't.
>>747541315Forget the UI, just from the trailer I saw Cata and MoP assets all over the place. I saw Legion shoulders on one character.The art direction and graphical carity of this monstrosity is going to be all over the place.2004 graphics one minute, then literally ride a minute down the road and it's retail grass and buildings. Not to mention keeping classic character models with the new armor they make.The entire thing feels like a thinly shaded bridge to get classic purists to eat retail slop by masking it with a classic title.
>>747538567They REALLY want what Jagex has, huhI just don't think they get it
Shaman looks very powerful in all trees. Ele looks like it crush bussy. Even some weird off tanking talent in enchancement
>>747544034Adding equipment tiers would defeat the purpose of a level 60 cap would it not.
>>747543804>Supposedly set around the same time as vanilla (or even earlier) since you still end up fighting Onyxia>Could have just used high elves and blood elves, those at least have a (tiny) cosmetic difference>But no, here's yet another (now paywalled) reskin that came out of fucking nowhereHa-Ha! Wowo wawa...
Can you /spit on the blue elves at least?
>>747543825people wanting to play them doesnt matter. not everything in an RPG has to be experienced by every player, the fact that only a few experience some things is what makes them novel and interesting and the world more alive. the idea that every addition needs an ROI to justify it is what led to retail.They could have added the buff EK trolls or goblins or ogres for horde and high elves or another human kingdom to ally or even just nothing is better than faggot blue elves neutral race
>>747544034I think the way to do it is to have gear cap out in power, but have utility go up forever. Another way would be to make it so your on-use equipment has limited but generous charges.
>>747541785This. You funamentally cannot make WoW "horizontal."Every new raid is going to invalidate the previous. Which is why when addressing it, homeboy on stage just said the generic "just play the game" line.A year after launch, once they start stacking these raids and profession upgrades, you WILL be farming badges for catch-up gear.All of the tier 0 recolors in the trailer already tell me it's going to be vendor hell where you trade in currency for the correct piece for your spec, because no meme spec can be left behind.It's going to be currency hell just like retail.
>>747543825goblinhigh elfogresatyrfurbolg>NO ACTUALLY PEOPLE WOULDN'T WANT TO PLAY THEM!!!you'd say that about anything
>>747541423wow forever and OSRS is an apt comparison given how dogshit it is and how different from the original thing it is.
So are they going to actually balance the classes properly or is the game still garbage unless you pick warrior since they are the only class that actually scales?
Honestly, this shit baffles me. I understand vanilla because lifers want to relive the times when their life wasn't a train wreck. Who the fuck wants to play vanilla, except it's actually not? Or specifically, who wants to spend money on it? Play Ascension or whatever if that's your perogative. And they're only adding a single race, yet another fucking elf reskin, and they're charging extra for it? Have they done paid class/races like that before?
Why would I do new raids if the rewards aren't gear progression? I don't care about cosmetics or mounts
did they say anything about the mop classic servers or the tbc anniversary servers?
>>747544468It seems like they're adding haste as a stat, so casters will scale better.
>>747539306thanks for being a part of the problem of the enshittification of games, the internet and media as a whole, pablo.
name a playerbase more raped than wow
>>747543825Size is not an issue. Tauren are meant to be massive, but they scale them just small enough to fit. No reason they can't do that with any other big race. I'm not thinking of one race in particular, a true classic+ should be coming with many new races. Among them would be Ogres, Drakonid, Forest Trolls, Naga. Vrykul have always been in high demand but it's not a "vanilla" race.
Please tell me the endgame wont devolve into world buff farming and MC again at the start release
>>747543654There's no need to wonder. Look at the new race. They already fucked up. Blizzard took wow retail to its current direction intentionally. It is impossible, on a fundamental level, for them to nail classic +.
>>747544434They should call it micro-vertical instead of horizontal. When new raid comes out people will grind it for a 10-20 attack power gain, which is not much but people will grind like crazy in the game for any minor upgrade
>>747543145that shit was free and about 100x better than this
>>747544434Classic already had catchup gear in the form of T0.5 sets, ZG and AQ20.
>>747544272They gave ass rogues a SECOND self-buff to maintain. They didn't even try, I can already tell the rotation is going to be awful, and of course the class will probably once again have inferior aoe to warriors
>>747542239They even got invited to Blizzard months ago.They not only knew the name, but likely got to playtest the game already.No way they don't get paid for artificial hype.It was cringe as hell how they used a clip of him during the presentation.This tells me their "feedback" is just streamer opinion of the month.
>>747543584>I'm too shy to raidhow are you this much of a fucking pussy as an adult? how do you function in day to day life? actually pathetic
Really don't understand why we need 3 ongoing versions of WoW at once
>>747544482If you arent doing them because they are fun then just stick to levelling and doing world pvp shenanigans. thats what i do until raid gear gets to oppressive in other content for non raiders.
>>747543959Have you tried LARPing as an illegal? They get free shit.
They killed a handful of private servers, yet their own Classic+ project has less content than any of themForever also looks and sounds like a Retail expansion>1 allied race>4 zones>8 dungeons>x raids with up to 8-9 raid bosses in total>2 new features, camping and legacy
>>747538567Convince me not to play this. I missed out on playing Classic at launch and vanilla at launch. I just want to play WoW at a time when people are still at least somewhat discovering things and having fun with it, before it settles into a meta.
Pally ret capstone is literally seal twisting XC
>>747544647>capitalism>NEEDING to do anythingIts only about making number go up so you dont get sued by shareholders
>>747540274this is literally every mmorpgalso every ARPG since they all do league resets which are the same thing as TLEs but just way more often
>>747538567They will remove all of the RPG elements to make the game more casual friendly, add disney retail lore into the game and do a cash shop. It will be shit, although I’ll still watch bald man play it when it comes out.
>>747544574You know what, if anything is on the table, I want to see halflings in WoW. Halflings are my favourite bastards in Warhammer Fantasy, just a bunch of fat, ugly drunk midgets beating people to death with shanks of lamb and oversized frying pans. Too generic? WoW has pygmies, make the pygmies playable.
>>747544574>NagaIt will never happen
>>747544647>I really don't understand why restaurant menus have more than one meal and drink
>>747544647SoD is still going on in maintenance mode, which I suspect this "Forever" game will enter after a couple years tops after the novelty wears off and people go back to their characters they invested hundreds of hours on
>how are we going to monetize classic+, do we sell it like a small expansion?>nah lets just tax all the faggots and trannies who want to play as (not)blood elvesunfathomably based move, shame about the paid beta access though
>>747544818Paid beta testing is unfortunately the industry standard.
>>747544818Including Transmog 100% means they will sell cosmetic sets down the line.
>>747544574>Size is not an issueCharacter model is.You need to model all armor sets for new character models.Vulpera are just goblins with a different head.The tranny dragon race doesn't show the whole armor set for a reason.
>>747538567At least with zelda they had overhauled everything. Blizz didnt even update the graphics. Just promised some random shit and some new content half of what an expansion is. Low effort nostalgia bait.
>>747544789more like 3 different versions of crinkle cut fries
>>747544603That proves my point, retard.Notice vanilla went to TBC and stacked vertical progression because the "horizontal" progression with ZG and AQ20 invalidated their other raids.So resetting the game every 2 years was the better play.
>>747544887>100% means they will sell cosmetic sets down the line.nigga you get a transmog set with the deluxe edition. apparently you can turn off transmog though so its literally a non issue
>>747543825why do they need legs? they already added dracthyr with literally zero transmog why so not just do naga, but the low pants and feet armor is hidden? i dont think a single person in the entire world would complain. there is not excuse and you know it.
>>747544896They did update the graphics, anon. It's fundamentally just bloom 'n' gas, but that's what Nu-OOT is too.
>>747544657>levelling and doing world pvp shenanigansai bot gameplay
>>747544972they'd have to redo the first person camera for a slithering characteryou forgot the first person camera, you stupid slut
>>747544743the fuck you think gnomes are, nigga
I hope they remove that fucking molten core world buff farm dogshit from the game, nobody wants to do 40 mans designed for 15 year old retards
>>747544034classic+ is nice and unpretentious. fits vanilla. we already call it vanilla anyway.
>>747544893they should have crowdsourced this a decade ago, let people reposition stuff and submit it on the wowhead model viewer for example, less work for blizzard and they don't have to be so jewish about skeletons or make travesties like dracthyr
>>747545046head bob is optional, just disable the option for snakecucks
>>747544969And many people didn't like it so that's why they are returning to the old system.Retail streamlined the experience by stacking the better plays which alienated many people.What is so hard to understand here?
>>747545106Because that system doesn't work. There is no world in which WoW's foundational design allows horizontal progression. Content will always die off and stop being ran.You genuinely are just a stupid person.
>>747544478>Play Ascensionyou literally cant anymore you stupid fuck. thats the entire reason people are mad. blizzard took down a better, free private server for their shitty fucking overpriced glorified shitty retail minus private server. its insulting and very revealing of how they just simply do not know what players want.
>>747538567Posts like this are a great example as to why Turtle was badThe server was low quality, but full of absolutely retarded chimps like OP here who cannot even parse basic information correctly, somehow concluding this trash has "paid classes". Everyone singing Turtle's praises are just like this mindless monkey, no different from a regular blizzdrone.
>>747544743this anon is gonna freak out when he learns about gnomes and dwarves
>>747543870Bloodthrill is fucking garbage, imagine having to spend 5 whole fucking points for a 1/10 chance with a slow weapon to proc an overpower that can also just not crit. Maybe if there's enchants/stuff that can boost AS for good it will be ok. I suspect fury will still be the pve standard, they got pretty strong aoe buffs but also I suspect they will perform just as well in pvp if not straight up better than arms.
>>747545051Gnomes come in many different flavors, they can be friends of fairies and forest creatures or miners like the dwarves, and many other things. WoW gnomes are based on the Tinker Gnomes from Dragonlance, but with the autistic desire to make everything complicated to the point of nonfunction turned off. Halflings are halflings, they eat food, they drink beer and tea, they live in holes in the ground, that's it.
>>747544632They must be giving rogues envenom, right?instead of that 41 point talent you can get bladeflurry in combat for your assassiantion rogue. it will be better for casual 5 mans regardless of envenom imo. seal fate blade flurry was one of my fave meme pve specs back in vanilla. Im curious what the math on Venom is going to look like compared to bladeflurry on bosses. 20% attack speed for 15 seconds + cleave, with more eviscerates
>>747542485>i can use judgement set on a magefuck guess i gotta respec arcane then and use purple set
>>747542485Supposed to have been a thing since the feature became a thing anyway. and if it wasn't, it should have been a thing when the trading post was introduced.
>>747545196>you literally cant anymore you stupid fuck. Easy autismo. That must've been recent because I only heard the jews at Blizz killed Tranny Wow.
>>747544893>You need to model all armor sets for new character models.no you fucking dont. blizzard has made it clear that they are cheap as fuck and dont give a shit when they made dracthyr incapable of any transmog besides like shoulders and a belt or whatever. there is ZERO excuse.
>>747545171they can always add gamba mechanics like vaal orbs
>>747539306WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU BUY IT ALL I SEE IS THE DIGITAL BATTLENET VERSION
>>747545171resistance helps, then every raid needs difference gear
>>747545171>I-it won't work because I said so!>Y-you are stupid!Ah didn't realize I was discussing with a child.
>>747545267I would rather just play warrior at that point. I fucking hate having my only form of aoe attached to a 2 minute cooldown, warriors get sweeping strikes cleave and whirlwind as their options.
>>747544647there is no need for anything. blizzdrones are mentally ill paypigs and blizzard is a for-profit publically traded company. its pretty simple business when you have cattle consumers with very low standards, really.
>>747538567>wow in 2026>still not on steamBros...
>>747538567>promised us classic plus>get retail slop where we have to buy each feature individuallyblizzbucks will defend this
>>747545256Why does arms always get the short end of the stick with these faggot devs? Is there not a single dev with testosterone that cares about the best spec in the game?
Did the fuck with the vanilla graphics? I already know they did, I didn't watch Blizzcon, but I need someone to confirm it for some closure.
>>747545423this. I want it on steam so I can track my hours
>>747545415If they had low standards, they wouldn't be running three versions of the game, anon. There aren't multiple concurrently operating versions of other cashcow games like League of Legends or Warframe.
horizontal progression in wow is achievements, titles, and collecting mounts, appearances, pets etc. Things to do in the game that take time and effort but do not increase your power.
Turtle WoW was better fuck this gay ass shit
>>747545046oh no! they have to do... * gulp* w-work!?!?!?!? AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH SAVE ME SHIVAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ll play it from launch through Christmas. I figure that’s more than enough to reach 60 and experience much of the new stuff alongside the wave of players there at the start.Also I unironically loved the cinematic and how well it matched the look of the original. The dwarf looked just like he did back then. Sky waifu is cute.
>>747545389>everyone MUST be able to aoe at all timesyou know there is a version of wow like that actually
>>747545441remember when blizzard was too lazy to fix arms in cata so they just completely removed damage types from the game instead so gay ass arms could rend undead and elementals so their spec didn't break
>>747545260>they eat foodwow very unique>they drink beer and teawow very unique>they live in holes in the groundwow very unique
>>747545360https://gear.blizzard.com/products/wowccl0012-world-of-warcraft-forever-collectors-edition
>>747545461yeah they gave them the "fuck my shit up" treatment
>blizzdrones will buy a whole new game so they can collect worldbuffs in transmogs in order to clear molten core again
>>747545503Um... but the dwarf was doing gay stuff like picking flowers and hanging out with his pet bear... you posted cringe bro...
>>747545491Maybe turtle wow devs can show their success to potential investors and make their own original mmo?Oh wait they are talentless hacks that can only modify someone else masterpiece like all private server "devs".
>>747545545It's unique because that's all they do.
>>747545423who fucking gives a shit
>>747545545post your hole
>>747545556this looks fuckin awesome this is actually exactly what i wanted in a classic+
>>747544556Halo
>>747545541You might have had a valid point if rogues actually brought anything of value to a group you fucking tard
>>747545572>picking flowers and hanging out with his pet bearBased and high-T.
what happens after 2 years when everyone is using a legendary weapon
>maplestory is charging $60 for 14 days early access and literal $4 skins from numaple>wow:classic-but-we-pretend-its-OSRS is charging $30 for palette swapped neutral blood elvesmilking nostalgianiggers is pretty great
>>747545629FFXIV only survived as long as it did because of Steam players.
I played resto druid for classic release and cleared mc(then quit lol). I'm thinking rogue this time around >:) I thought their funny stealth runs were cute
>>747545423Most of wows revenue is from cash shop and if it would be on steam it would mean steam gets a 30% cut.>>747545482Just type /played in chat...
>>747541785it actually wouldnt be that hard if you had meaningful gear progression that mostly was relevant for one or two specific raids but gave comparable base damage/health numbers compared to other raids.some bosses in raids that were stat checks and required resistance gear.Say everyone was expected to have 200 fire resists, not counting consumes, to beat nefarion. suddenly MC gear with fire resist is way more important. say BWL warrior gear didnt have inherently better gear than MC in terms of strength/stamina but BWL gear also had shadow resist, which was needed for the next raid teir.Fuck it you could have same damage/health stats but have new resistances AND some bonus specific damage, like 5% extra bonus to beasts, and the raid has a lot of beast bosses, now you want the raid for the beast damage gear, and say you get like 40% extra damage to beasts from a full set, now that set is BiS for farming beasts for skinning. Running in parallel could be crafted gear that has bonuses that help with specific raids. and when a new raid was released this crafted gear which is not as good as raid gear but a good catch up could have its mats be made easier to farm, so players who missed the last raid had an easier time catching up.
will it have dungeon finder though
>>747541970you answered the question yourself, they'll just add that stuffthey already added a new race for $30i think people are mistaking this as classic + and made for vanillafags, but it seems to me rather they realize retail is dying and want to put the whales onto a new thing
>>747545703they’ll add another one to farm
>>747545482Good news everyone!They added playtime tracking to steam for non-steam games.
>>747545654based antisoul gas enjoyer
>>747545717I was thinking earlier about which game has it worse, and I couldn't decide on an answer.I think MapleStory is a little better off but only because the game has always been extremely jewish.
>>747545757no only LFG tool like TBC
>>747545738thats actually what i want it to be like. and possibly make crafted profession gear be like slightly below raid needed gear
Honestly the biggest red flag is the creeping of retail design into a ""classic+"" game. Maybe they want WCF to overtake retail as the cashcow flagship since it's way more "casual friendly" than retail, so there's more profit potential.
they should add M+ for dungeons just to really salt the wounds of these niggas
>>747545731Blizzard are willing to give Steam that 30% cut for their other games like Diablo and Overwatch, and they don't even charge more for the steam versions.
>>747545556Christ almighty, just take a fucking vanilla server then drop it in the hands of some pserver spergs with Blizzard supervision, that's all they needed to do. That's what everyone wanted them to do.Why does Blizzard constantly feel the needs to stick their dick where it doesn't belong?
I'm so glad that I don't even feel tempted to play this dog shit any more
>>747545782But is that linked to my profile? Can others see it and what happens if I uninstall the game but install it later?
>>747545782but I want it to show to my friends who don't give a shit
>>747545791The original cinematic had that exact same style of gas.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlVSJ0AvZe0
>>747545679>the game is unbalanced so we should make every class the sameYeah man rogues probably should do more single target than warriors given that they have limited cleave you stupid nigger. They definitely won't change the throughput of classes in this new rebalanced version of the game no sir! You could also do something slightly more creative and like add monsters that need to be stunned or something idk
>>747545503>Also I unironically loved the cinematic and how well it matched the look of the original.yeah bro these stupid nu-elves that they literally invented for this shit for no fucking reason totally looks like the original. Kill yourself.
>>747539306retard
>>747545867I highly doubt you actually played private servers if this doesnt appeal to you90% of these changes are lifted from ascension and turtle wow
>>747545738Gear in traditional CRPGs is usually more horizontal like this instead of just increasing your raw stats. Although I don’t know if you could do this in a game like WoW without alienating the player base which fundamentally wants to be cucked and do the rat race.
>>747545896That's a pre-rendered cinematic, Blizzbot
>>747545720that's more of an indictment of how bad xiv is doing if wow can keep itself alive without being on steam
>"LF1M dps sm cath no skyborne no gamepad player"
>>747545967Games should strive to look exactly like their cinematics.
>>747545796That's retarded
>>747545967you can toggle between classic and forever lighting effectshopes this helps, good luck finding the next thing to be mad about
>>747545957I played them and this doesn't appeal to me at all. This looks worse even than SoD. It's like they got the retail devs and asked them how they would imagine wow classic. You're a dumb fucking shill.
>>747545703That's easily solved by gamba crafting items.You can gamba [Reforge] on it and then gamba [Titanforge] on it, and if both succeed only then do you have your BiS.
retail wow ui so fucking uglysky elves are the biggest ugliest mistake and saying things like "a new starting zone experience" means they've just put dumb retail developers into forever without telling them to stop being gay and retardedthey're blatantly going to milk this game with mtx like retail too
i hope every skyborne player gets treated like a second class citizen in game
>>747546024It's far less retail coded than SoD so I doubt you played that either
Oh wow, thank you blizzard!
>>747546021b-but it makes me unimaginably mad that some people are experiencing and enjoying the game in a way i personally don't so i think they shouldn't have the ability to do thati just want classic again for the nth time please blizzard let me just play classic again this time for sure i'll relive my high school years PLEASE im begging
>implock massive nerf because you cant reduce his cast time anymoreimplock bros...
>>747545852Yes because those are different parabases.Wow players most often just play wow.Wow is also a cultural phenomenon so it doesn't need the steam advertisement.
>>747545902>we should make every class the sameCan you strawman any harder holy shit
>>747544646Raiding in classic without a guild is gdkp normalnigger circlejerking so I fully empathize with anyone who says they don't want to interact with it.
Who do we think is gonna be bis for alliance mage? Human spirit is actually pretty good if arcane is bis and 2% crit with mageblade and wraith blade mite b cool...
so is it classic with new shit like osrs or what
>>747541326>You spit on the ground
I want them to add tauren paladins purely because I like the way femTaurs look in plate, and I don't want to play a warrior
>>747544454i would play a furbolg shaman or druid desuloved them niggas up in timbermaw hold
I don't think I like how this looks, do I just stick to Alliance?
>>747546021>you can toggle between classic and forever lighting effectsYOU CAN TOGGLE BETWEEN CLASSIC AND REFORGED GRAPHICSBUY OUR POINTLESS SLOP PLEASE
>>747538567>all new classes are paid DLCYou mean like expansions?
>>747546176yeah pretty muchits like 90% vanilla 10% retail
>>747540274What probably hurts more is that 99% of the devs working on WoW now werent even around during Classic. That must be demoralizing.
>here's a vague roadmap, a shitty cinematic, and some limited time side event>kthnxbyeIt's crazy how they've completely given up on retail. In no world would I have imagined they'd talk so little about (what used to be) their flagship title at a Blizzcon.
>>747543584They might add a decent amount of level 60 dungeon content, they kind of did it with SoD.
>>747546176It's exactly like OSRS, just another nostalgia corpsefuck with fanfiction tier writing.
>there aren’t enough new races>there isn’t enough new contentAre people retarded? This is launch, of a game that’s meant to last forever. The one guy on the blizzcon panel said they’re going to add more new races and classes and they’re basically open to anything
>>747546082>It's far less retail coded than SoDYou saw the paid blue elf right? You saw it yeah? You saw the dogshit unreal engine nu-graphics right?
>>747546219because we already know what is going to happen retard
Might finally set up one of those singleplayer servers.Just give me vanilla and leave me the fuck alone. I'm so over this shit.
>>747546219probably because B team is working on that and A team is on the next next expansion
>>747546241a toast, then, a toast to the full color gamut of blood elf reskins we have to look forward to!
>>747546209>graphics options are... LE BAD!there are surely valid criticisms you can find but you're basically making the entire anti-Forever crowd seem unhinged and retarded
>>747546241>they’re going to add more new races and classesAll will cost $30 eachAll will be dogshit that look lifted straight out of second life
>>747544646NTA I basically just don't talk to anyone unless in response and actively avoid interacting with others
I still can't get Classic models with Orcs that stand up straight in 2026
>>747546268>Just give me vanilla and leave me the fuck alone.Era exists. Hardcore exists. They are not replacing vanilla.
why are you guys mad you will still probably get to farm flowers and do content that is trivial because classic players are allergic to any real form of skill expression. you will have your 6 months in MC in no time
>>747546253I feel like the graphics is 80% of what is wrong
>>747539306I want the statue, but I don't want to support Blizzard and I don't plan on playing this.
>>747546209Hey that's cool. I was fearing I'd have to play with outdated graphics
>>747546287>there are surely valid criticisms you can find but you're basically making the entire anti-Forever crowd seem unhinged and retardedI love how you've already started astroturfing the idea there's an "anti-forever crowd"
>>747546301did you really think a classic+ would be unmonetized? are you a child? there's no box fee and no new subscription mind you
>>747545679Me in row second from the bottom, 2nd from the right
druid doesnt have natures grasp talent, so either they got mega nerfed or its baseline now.
>>747546203You have to go back.
>>747546268there's some pretty comfy low pop servers designed around being low pop if you're willing to looknot gonna name names though because a lot of servers are laying low right now after the whole ascension thing, my favorite pserver completely closed registration and took down the website even
They redid all the racials and gnomes are overpowered as fuck.>escape artist is now instant AND makes you immune to snares for 3s>they get +5% resource bar like on retail which is OP as fuck for classic rogue or warrior>new activatable that makes their next 3 spells deal more damage and cost 50% less mana/rage/energy
>>747546268but i thought the whole point of classic was to make the game more social?
>>747546368They are outdated. They're from 2009. WoW has never had in-date graphics.
>>747546375nice reddit spacing
>>747546407Everyone is OP from level 1 now.
>>747546407engineering items have less of a chance to fail too which is great for pvp
>>747546383>just accept it goy>just buy new product you foolshills working damage control overtime
>>747544692>Your official slop can't be mogged by some random's server if you C&D said server
My hype died immensely at this part. They still dont fucking get it. If you're going to add elves, why not just add Blood Elves for Horde and High Elves for Alliance?
>>747546407It's awesome, a secret aryan is working for Blizzard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCXIGnf-4qM
>>747546395It's likely removed to balance out that other talent which increases the amount of targets you can root at once. It'd be giga bullshit with nature's grasp.
>>747538567>people like classic>you know what we should do?>make it more like retail
>>747538567Its just an expansion in everything but name. Actually very similar to Cata. I don't see how it can work long term.
>>747546437Thanks Ion I knew it would make you feel more at home
>>747546219The last titan is almost a year from release.There is no reason to hype it now.
>>747546479you can just keep playing classic
>>747538675CLEAR COMMS
>>747546407Orcs can also become immune to curses for 15s for some reason. Fuck alliance locks I guess.They also gave Trolls the Zandalari racial that lets them rapidly heal 60% of their hp
>>747546407You know, post-Legion WoW has been a long, sad procession of Blizzard finding new and creative ways to fuck things up, but diaper gnomes still rank among the most egregious fuckups.
>>747546470yeah this is like a bad joke lolwho the fuck are these retards, why are they blue, and why should i care about them? also they can be druids for some reason lol
>>747546464theres nothing to buy though if you dont want the new race, what's your point?
>>747546513I don't plan on playing any wow game ever again.
>>747546551Maybe they want you to play the game to find out.
>>747546470There are very obviously some trannies deeply entrenched in the creative design management, just look at all recent retail content.
It looks like how I remembered itWe fucking won
>>747546525i haven't played much retail in the last several years but i did play a zandalari paladin at one point and boy was it fun to bubble and pop the regen racial to just heal to full like a second lay on hands
>>747546560bye bye
Ok but will it have mythic plus?I don't want to raid.
>>747546560It's called World of Warcrack. There's a reason they made this commercial, anon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXeyYdGoLCU
>>747546598NINTENDO
>>747546407the passives are dogwaterlike why is weapon spec still here. that is one thing they should have replacedand two races get 5% more damage to beasts? but nobody else gets bonus damage to any other specific enemy type. just feels haphazard
>>747544287>The entire thing feels like a thinly shaded bridge to get classic purists to eat retail slop by masking it with a classic title.That's exactly what it is
>>747542485XIV did this months ago.
>>747546407>removed human reputation buffYep it's over.
>dwarf racial>5% more DMG against beastsMhhhhh okay I guess>undead racial>5% chance to drain 5% health on any attackWTF???? How is this balanced??
There are no new classesTheres just new race-class combos (undead pally for example)You only get access to the new race which has nothing unique except some shitty racials and a starting zoneAfaik theres no pay to convenienceYou didnt even pay attentionClassic andies are such annoying faggots, you seethe whenever ANYTHING changes to try and attract people who arent just reliving the past
>>747546470it’s suppose to be an alternate universe with what ifs and new stories. forever is definitely not going to be for people who want the old classic lore.
>>747546636>nobody else gets bonus damage to any other specific enemy typeBlue elves get 5% bonus damage to elementals, fucking busted in Molten Core.
>>747546636blue elves get 5% damage to elementals
>>747546617no more maze+ sorry you'll just have to do fent now
>>747546636I can tell you've never played vanillathe weapon skill racials are the number one thing they needed to overhaulalso skyborne get a bonus to elementals>>747546687its part of the legacy talent tree now
>>747543825can't believe we got gay blue elves over furbolg kino
>>747539939>New retail classesHuh? Which classes would those be, anon?
>>747542485Nice I can finally larp as a warrior on my paladin.Goodbye skirts!
>>747546697No changes was the right call for 2019. Blizzard at that time would have ruined the game. Everything I have seen is positive, including the blue elves.
>>747546701>forever is definitely not going to be for people who want the old classic lore.Then stop fucking C&Ding all the Classic private servers.
>>747546801I agree, that was also close to a decade ago
>>747546697The guy in the blizzcon panel literally said they’re going to add a new class
>>747546407Some more racial stuff they changed/added>all weapon skill racials removed>humans get their stun removal racial from retail>humans don't get a rep buff anymore>night elves get their +2% movespeed racial>shadowmeld is now a mix of vanilla+retail. if you use it ouside of combat it's only 10s cd. if used in combat it's 2min cd. no longer drops you out of combat>orcs can remove curses>blood fury doesn't reduce healing>orcs get -20% stun duration from retail instead of stun resist>trolls get the zandalari healing racial>undead get their retail life drain racial>cannibalize now also restores mana>tauren slowly build up to 30% extra movespeed while running>sky elves get a different racial depending on faction. ally get a ley line that restores hp/mp. horde get a movespeed buff.
>>747538567uhh can I pay them to remove chronoboon, layering, addons, and blue elves?
>>747541785Horizontal progression works in OSRS because OSRS' gameplay is fundamentally built around thousands of weird niche scenarios and encounters. You'll have shit like the Maggot King having mechanics with zero delay melee punish mechanics that are 0 damage (if done correctly) so you can camp low HP with Dharok's (A set that's over 20 years old) and be better than modern released BiS for melee gearWoW isn't designed around lots of niche items being highlighted in specific encounters because its gear system is purely go from big number to go to bigger number
>>747546813Era and Hardcore exists for old classic lore fans. This is what you asked for: legacy servers so you can play older versions of the game.
>>747546839Which we know nothing about, I'm talking about the first content patch obviously
no femtaur paladinsno resub
>>747546636>Human's sword spec give 2% spell and ability crit chanceLooking forward to all endgame bis weapons being axes again.
>>747538675what’s there to sink so much time into, goy? 2 zones and a paywalled starting zone. truly life changing
>>747546772They will add new classes in the future, which like everything else so far will be some retail copy and paste slop.
>>747545907Yep. She looked just like the Night Elf in the original.
>>747546857Diplomacy is part of the sidecar talent tree nowAlso orcs seem busted as fuck
>>747546913What classes could they add that wouldn't be retail? Only one I can think of is Bard.
Maces reduce armor, I kind of liked the stun, am I the only one?
>>747546906I can tell you anti-Forever losers are running out of gas just from the way your posts are getting so limp dickedjust log off bro
>>747546876>This is what you asked for: legacy servers so you can play older versions of the game.What people asked for was Classic WoW with some CLASSIC additions. Blue elves arent Classic Warcraft in the slightest.
Talent calculators already up, with comparisons to classichttps://forevertalents.up.railway.app/
>>747546407half the appeal of vanilla is that it isn't gamified number crunching yet, the developers put things in the world that seemed like they'd fit insteadyes people do it but it wasn't designed that wayi fear that will be lost
>>747541970Dun Morogh > Teldrassil > Tirisfal > Mulgore > Elwynn Forest > Durotar
>>747546967Ascension CoA proved it's pretty easy to find random stuff that can be classes and still fit the lore.
>>747546906wait so now they havent changed enoughkekwe dont know shit at this stage, we'll just have to wait and seei think the content will have to be released pretty quick to keep people's interest, we've already had so much classic shit that its going to have to be fairly unique
>>747547004No, people asked for a way to play older versions of the game. Classic+ was a fringe idea.>Blue elves aren't Classic Warcraft in the slightest.A lot of things in WoW vanilla are incongruous with Warcraft 3, Warcraft 2 and Warcraft 1. All of the pirates, for one.
>>747546464Blizzard has been sending their jeets into a frenzy over this.I guess Blizzard REALLY doesn't want people to have the obvious negative reaction to their blue sky elf game that they were obviously going to have. Or them betraying Classic right in the cinematic with a fucking Horde paladin.
>>747546967If not just retail shit repackaged for this slop, they are probably going to ripoff whatever new classes they ransacked from Ascension after C&D their asses.
>>747547018inner focus is still a complete joke
Level cap 60 was a mistake
>>747541423(it's not)
>>747547004>PURPLE ELVES GOOD>BLUE ELVES BAD
>>747547030Teldrassil > Elywnn > Dun Morogh > Durotar > Mulgore > Tirisfal
>>747547018Rogue getting mutilate that isn't a capstone talent and can be used with all weapon types is fucking busted.
There's not a thread for this but i just wanna say i'm watching Blizzcon vod right now and it's so fucking awkward. Why is it so awkward. It's meant to be relatable but everyone comes across like HR robots. They're like fake people and i get its corporate but the false relatability is so weird (here's some fake banter we've rehearsed 40x before this). WOW! I hadn't seen that before! That's EPIC, thats GRIMDARK WOW! (complete audience silence). The audience didn't really seem to be buying it either. Are they always like this or am i just fucking old and cynical
>>747540934>all new classes are paid DLCno need to lieThe new elves (wich ARE pay to play), gear and fauna already look like shit and from a quick glance at the new talents it looks like they forgot about some classes while giving others their wotlk toolkit. Also:>Making a big deal of adding 4 new tiny zones>No mention of new quests in old zones>Raid size left at 40I want it to be somewhat decent but so far its looking rough
>>747547075>>747547108CoA took the classes from WoW and sliced them into bits, giving them new mechanics and gimmicks. You had druid but with snakes and bugs, druid but with bows, shaman but with voodoo, shaman but only lightning, death knight but only zombies, death knight but with scythes, etc.
>>747547143>PURPLE ELVES GOOD>BLUE ELVES BAD
>>747547161>Tirisfal last
>>747547176wokism and its consequences have been a disaster for the games industry
I bought the collector’s edition and i give zero fucking shits about the negativity here like always. Im beyond excited.Suck it, chuds
>can't buy beta access without buying the gay elvesblizzard save me
>>747546913>the bad thing did not happen yet, but it will totally, 100% happen in the future at some point, trust me, broYeah, ok, retard.
>>747547143Both are bad. Where's the white elves?
>>747547004Remember that survey they did a while back.The results showed that nobody knows what the fuck they want. Whatever definition you have for "classic warcraft" when bitching about blue elves is entirely different to anyone else's.
>>747547215same, mostly because it gave me warcraft 3 + the new expansion which was like $90 (aud) alone out of the 128, $24 of which is the sub, so the deal is actually quite good
so no dw enhance right?
>they reworked gear stats so casters actually get spell damage on their weapons while leveling
>>747547176I liked the last blonde woman though
>>747547235They LITERALLY explicitly announced that they will add new classes on stage you retarded mongoloid.
>>747547293It's fine, but I don't like seeing the green + spell power line at low levels. Would've been better to make int contribute a small amount to your spell damage.
Oh cmon miss me with that seal twisting junk. Just give me divine storm
>>747538567Remember how everyone said "nobody can agree on what Classic+ should be"?It's like they asked everyone what they DIDN'T want in the game and then put that in
>>747547284People assume you just learn it at a trainer at 40. The demo at blizzcon is set to 38.The way their talent tree is set up makes it seem like a two hander spec though.
I played classic when it launched I had fun but the server was dead af at level 40 dungeons. So I quit I really hope I pick a good horde server this time, I just want to grind dungeons.
They added many low level zones and endgame zones but nothing for level 50-59 where the quests don't match the exp requirements...
>>747547342Where did they say it would be locked behind the $30?
>>747547095>Classic+ was a fringe idea.You're a retard that showed up in this conversation like a week ago.>>747547143Blue elves werent in WC1,2, or 3. Its an entirely nuBlizz tranny addition.>>747547243Blue elves arent in the Classic lore. Even fucking TBC Draenei are closer to actual Warcraft lore than some OC elves no one asked for.
>>747547243>Remember that survey they did a while back.Oh, you mean the one that was on a website that anyone on the planet could respond to?
>>747544969>So resetting the game every 2 years was the better play.Wow players have attachment issues and won't tolerate this but it is a great solution. I might even put it lowerWho on their right mind would want to keep playing their tier3 character forever?Who is going to roll a new character on a 3 years old vanilla server?
>>747547342they said they’ll think about it
>>747547293why the fuck would I want that?
>>747547176you wouldn't rehearse?
>>747540934This is a private server with a monthly subscription.
>>747547018Can someone explain to me Demo locks last talent? I don't get it, do you get Demonic Sac buff while having another pet out?
>>747547362Plenty of people asked for new zones, new dungeons, new raids, new areas in existing zones, class rebalances, etc. The only thing they added that people didn't ask for was microtransactions, I don't like them, but it's not unexpected
>>747547095>Classic+ was a fringe idea.Only among classic andies who just want to play same game over and over again until they die
project epoch did it right…
>>747547416you're a fan on game design that makes sense
>>747547393Read between the lines faggot monkey, you already paid $30 for a faggot retail race.
Can't decide between tauren warrior or dwarf paladin....
>>747546868>WoW isn't designed around lots of niche items being highlighted in specific encounters because its gear system is purely go from big number to go to bigger numberThey could redesign the game if they didn’t waste their time with shit no one wants like blue elves and trying to make as much money as possible with the lowest possible effort.
>>747547467cope
So now that classic+ floppedWhat's next?
>>747547479dwarf paladin
>>747543258>no devastateIt's fucking bullshit
>mutilate is inwe’re so back
>>747538567>alternate timeline WoWI'd be interested if this wasn't nu-blizzard we're talking about
>>747547394>>747547452This video is a perfect encapsulation of the pre-2019 push for legacy servers. He does not ask for classic+.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzT8UzO1zGQ
>>747547494ffxiv arr classic
>>747547018surely I can turn off this nuWoW addition right?
Why the sky elves tho? Why not just high elves?
>>747547018>demonic aegis talent is still 30%kek these fucking hackstwow had it at 60% and it was still mostly worthless
>>747547521no thanksi am not avoiding one tranny game to play another
>>747547532>improved saar
>>747547143Yes. Blue Elves look like shit.
>>747547532You choose which demons you summon.
>>747547427Yeah.>Summon one demon>Sac it, get the buff>Then summon a different demon while keeping the sac buff thanks to the last talent, and also a different buff with the master demonologist talent
>>747547517>pre-2019its currently 2026 and we got classic with no changes seven years ago, also, there are classic realms RIGHT NOW you can go and playare you retarded or a bot?
>>747547532yeah you just summon the succubus instead
>>747547568running around doing fates in that winter castle area was comfy tho
you aren't going to be able to go back to your childhood.
>envenom doesn’t deal damage
>>747547583Are you even following the reply chain? The call for Classic+ only started gaining prominence after 2019.
>>747547538They wanted to give elves to both factions. They knew if one side got the blood elf model then that would be the overwhelming most popular faction.
>>747547532You need to do a separate quest for the incubus form so you can just not do it.Or never summon it and use only succubus.
>Blizzard got classictards to play retailAmazing
>>747547574>>747547585but i don't like knowing that whenever my succubus isn't summoned she's getting creampied in every hole by the incubus somewhere in the twisting nether
Undead paladins will be a fucking mistakeevery server that's had them they always end up being like half the horde population
>>747547574>>747547585I mean turning off this entirely so I don't see them in the world.
>>747547517Are things supposed to not ever change? 2019 Classic should not have had any changes but people get tired of playing the same thing over and over. What people want is Classic WoW with some of the jank worked on and the areas they were planning to add before everything for pushed for TBC in, as you can see from SoD and the popularity of Turtle and Ascension. Again, you came into this conversation like a week ago.
>>747547587Nobody is trying to. The entire point of this is to give us NEW shit with vanilla gameplay. Nothing nostalgia about it.
>>747547630Right...and its post 2019 AFTER we got classic with no changesDo you understand now or is this too hard?
WoWs decline started the moment it was released. Almost everyone that made WoW what it was left Blizzard at launch. TBC was a massive failure, and so was Wrath.Blizzard fans are forever destined to be raped by Kotick.
>Blizzard finally managed to get classic mazies to pay and play retail. LOL LMAO
>>747547634But wouldn't high elves be the perfect solution for the "neutral" race then?
>>747547682going back to play vanilla but with new items is exactly that, trying to capture the old game. unless they're completely changing the mechanics of all the classes. then why even call it wow.
>>747547648Project epoch won turtle tranny.
>>747547651Have you considered not being a chud
Thoughts? Is this basically the Wrath Shammy talents? Think I could play the same way?
>>747547724The classic era servers are still up if you want to play the same game until you die
>>747547676>the popularity of... ascensionAscension did jack fucking shit when it came to fixing up the cut content. They added a fanfiction zone north of Elwynn that was literally just the world of Skyrim but with Warcraft characters. Don't know why so many people lump it in with Turtle.
>>747547582so infinite mana and health regen whilst improved drain life as a troll with the new racials in Wpvp.... unkillable?
Will addons be allowed?I hope not.
gang we're playing warlock on god fr fr
>>747547764All Hunter trees are boring as fuckShan't be playing one this time around
>>747547724ew, are they adding achievements to this new shit?
>>747547794>Ascension did jack fucking shit when it came to fixing up the cut contentOh, so you really did only come into this like a week ago. Dont (You) me, newfag.
>>747538567it's called forever because that's how long you're expected to pay for it
>>747547849Addons and the one button macro will be mandatory.
>>747547724>call it legacy points>now classicoids will do achievementsgeg
>>747547818in combat the health regen is still 10%, which is just like vanillai think its more for classes that can break combat like rogues
https://youtu.be/npzHCcnUqWM?si=S6li8D2EghfLWWLn
>>747547648and every one of them will be ret
>>747547858but my Dorf Hunter fantasy…
>>747547870I played on Ascension since 2018.
WoW forever is an insane name. I cannot believe that multiple rooms of people approved of this name. the jokes write themself
>>747547867Achievements, transmog, inbuilt quest helper, WoD models, pets, it's just retail with a classic veneer
>>747547852If lock tanks are in I will fucking cream.
lol wait so the nu-blood elves are ALSO on Horde?
>>747547941Addons put almost all of those things in Classic already and almost nobody played without them.
>>747547941>petsvanilla had vanity pets since day 1
So how did they fix spriest's mana issues...they DID fix them, right?
>>747547969They've a neutral race than can be on either which just begs the question, why not just make them Blood/High elves?
>>747547778the retail servers are still up if you want to play the game gay game until you die
For me, it’s the Human Male Mage.
>>747547930it’s not that hard to believe with current day blizzard
>>747547998Why should they fix them? The mana problems are part of the class fantasy, it keeps them from being homogenous.
>>747547930They were clearly inspired by by line "Wakanda forever" makes sense given they also made the Zandalari Trolls who are heavily inspired by the Black Panther movie
>>747538567>Azeroth, an untamedUh, no. It's been fully fucking tamed for 20 years already.
>>747547998We don't really know the exact mana costs for all their spell ranks yet.
>>747548023please explain why you think that changing nothing for seven years is going to capture a large audience?
>>747547983Very few of them and there was no pet tab, enjoy retail v2.0
>>747547018All of these improve demon talents should be under one talent, so fucking stupid
>>747548048Wakanda Forever is just a ripoff of Batman Forever.
>>747548041My class fantasy does NOT involve being eternally cucked by viper sting from 40 yards away every single day
>>747548097trvke
>>747547930Its basically like Everquest Next. The stupid name makes sense when you find out than the project lead of WoW is the same woman than ran Everquest into the ground.
>>747538567>a 2005 MMO>complete with monthly fees slaves to impulses! ALL OF YOU!
>>747538567>nordrassil still existsWhat?
>no worgenAnd they want me to PAY for this???
>>747548053Tamed + castrated + crippled
The jeets are really working overtime in these threads. I especially like that they're instructed to not even suggest quitting WoW. If you're not enthused by Retail Minus they just suggest that you're going to play Classic Era forever.No, faggot. I'm going to fucking quit. I have unsubscribed and uninstalled the game. And any Classic player with an ounce of self respect and isn't addicted to the WoW logo will do the same.
>>747548198furries BTFO
>>747548198no nigga it's included in your subdumbass dog nigga
you’ll never be happy. It’s either too few or too many changesfor me though, I wish they would‘d launch it SoD style in level capped phases with the SoD low level content but with the new talents instead of the over the top SoD ones
>>747548198Worgen will be a class later on when they add the Gilneas raid, you do the raid to unlock the class.
>>747548014>why not just make them Blood/High elves?Because then you niggers would just start crying about it all being TBC again.
>>747548141>The stupid name makes sense when you find out than the project lead of WoW is the same woman than ran Everquest into the ground.Finally it makes sense.
>have to pay for the new variation of blue elves:D
I kinda wanna play feral or a rogue but there's a suspicious amount of gay shit. I don't understand what the fuck they're thinking with the pay-to-play cross faction blueberry elves, but the owlcat and owlbear druid forms are kind of cool
did any eceleb try feral? is power shifting gone with the new tigers fury talent?
>>747548141She actually kept Everquest afloat, it only went under after she left.
>>747548265they worked really hard on them. they even have a new dance!
WHERE WHITEMANE
>>747548301>they even have a new dance!We were supposed to get dance studio in 2008
>no dw enhance with thunderfury
>>747548258>Because then you niggers would just start crying about it all being TBC again.Oh, and making them pallet swapped Blood Elves was going to totally avoid that accusation, huh?
>>747548301You joke but new dances was literally a selling point for a WoW expansion at one point.
>>747547724holy shit it looks worse than Turtle did. Also Xaryu is a paid shill.
Was he right?
>>747548297they changed furor to kill powershifting for cat
>Classic>Home...
>>747548339right here
>>747548141>Its basically like Everquest NextEverquest Next died because Brad decided to put about 5x more random shit into the game than his dev team could possibly implement in a realistic time frame.
Why couldn't they have just done regular ass high elves. Why blue sky elves?
>>747548297Apparently yes
>>747548258>you niggers would just start crying about it all being TBC again.Nobody would care unless they actually introduced Outlands. High Elves have been in Warcraft since 1, Blood Elves since 3. If anything these OC elves link Forever to Retail, which everyone is trying to get away from.
>>747548391https://youtu.be/Mwim1-JeK7w?si=NivZHKdwoFuijocg&t=8
>>747548389>nooo it's not shitty enough this is not what i wanted
>>747543258Warrior is by far the most complete class in classic. Of course it will get the least amount of changes.
>>747538567>World of Warcraft>ForeverThe only people still playing WoW have already been playing it for 20 years. Seems like a sort of humiliation ritual to be so blatant about the "forever" part, but I guess the WoW players just don't care about signing their own life away.
>>747548401It's two-fold: make a race for people who want to be special snowflakes, and hammer home the point that this is an alternate history version of WoW where things that didn't happen in the mainline WoW can happen.
People throwing a fit because it using some models from retail is the same level of Chris Chan with Sonics blue arms.
>>747548453Outside of making fun of it, I've been out of the loop with wow for like 10 years. Is this a reboot?
>Jeets are contractually obligated to defend this
Subbing doesn't send a real life tauren gf to me in the mail? And they want people to pay for this?
>>747548451Rogue and mage have always been more complete, you are just raped because you think top dps = good class design.
lone wolf talent has to be removed and banned forever, it forces hunter gameplay to managing/toggling the pet on and off to maximize the damage buff. probably the second worst thing is the removal of the deadzone, that forces hunters to weave melee hits between their autoshots. before it was generally a dps loss for having to run in and out of melee-deadzone-ranged but without it, you can do autoshots nearly in melee.
>>747548508This is a blue board sir
>>747548503>Is this a reboot?kinda
>>747548503>Outside of making fun of it, I've been out of the loop with wow for like 10 years. Is this a reboot?My understanding is that it's Classic WoW, reimagined or something like that. And allegedly always going to be level 60 cap.
>>747547998Probably. Haven't looked at Priest but every other talent tree I've looked at has had huge boosts to mana regen
>>747548053Funny thing is, the pservers they shut down for this actually WERE untamedTurtle (even though I didn't like it) and ascension (which I did like) both provided new balance, new world content, new raids, new gear, new world drops, new difficulties, and in ascension's case whole fucking new classes for people to crack openMeanwhile, forever? Hardly fucking anythingGonna be dead in half a year unless they've got a bigass pipeline of content planned. And it's gonna have to be a fucking BIG pipeline, like a drain flood pipe
>>747548570no one's forcing you to do any of that
>>747548570hunters still have deadzone in forever
>>747548578Why did you greentext the whole post?
>>747548571>This is a blue elf board sir
>>747548571There's nothing nsfw about that image>>747548628kek
>>747548571are the sex fluids or genitals or exposed areola in the room with us right now
>everyone claims they hate elves>but also get mad when they have to pay to unlock a race they'd apparently never want to playhmmmmm.... noticing
>>747547018>Survival Hunter is melee and traps are usable in combat
>>747548664nobody hates high elves. everyone has wanted to play with them ever since the rts games.
>>747548642>There's nothing nsfw about that imageOkay bro
Classic + ... soul.
You all are so fucked! I could even get gay seal twisting if I wanted.
>>747542485I really don't get it. Transmog should be enabled in RP servers as this is clearly an RP feature. But on any normal realm it should be disabled for everyone. It's not really that hard to understand.
>>747547532No. And the incubus is in Classic Anniversary and HC already.
>>747548664I'm mad that it exists AND is being monetized, howeverYou're noticing incorrectly
>>747548664I'd love to play the blue elves. I don't want to pay $30 for them and some cosmetic shit I don't care about. My hope is that they have it so that you can unlock the elves for free. They did something like this in Retail with the Allied Races iirc, pay to get them instantly or grind for them.
is the reckbomb back or no
>>747548715The knees? The fingers? The signature?Huh?
>>747548721Hooooly slop
>>747542485Another feature stolen from turtle and ascension
>>747548831true. But now priests can "wear' heavy armor and look like true clerics.
>>747548721The mob looks like maximum retail. Fucking hell
Name 1 reason why I shouldn’t play a dwarf rogue
>>747548715Yo delete this
>>747538675didnt this dudes company OTK completely implode?
>>747548721>put retail creature models in the game>but keep the ground texture low reswtf
>>747548216how did he get hit? he wasn't on the rails
>>747548902It's basically just a fox version of the wyverns.
>>747548619>Why did you greentext the whole post?Why does it bother you that I did? I just highlighted it and clicked reply. And I did it again to make you mad.
>>747538675>I want to put on a $1000000 tournament>please give me money to do so
>>747546863No sweetie, the game will be just like you remember it 20 years ago:Everyone min-maxing, gathering world buffs for 2 hours, then spending most of their playtime on their hunter alt farming the most expensive consumes there are, only to be kicked anyway because you pressed one suboptimal ability once so your parse is not flawless and the boss lived for half an update tick longer.
>>747548939it’s sloppa
>>747539306kys
>>747540024I have a private Vanilla local server for that.
>>747548968No it's a gay dragonflight fox abomination thing. If they wanted it to be a chimera then just use the chimera model.
>>747548986>Why does it bother you that I did?I'm autistic
You guys think Drakova will come back?
>>747549001I could see them removing world buffs from this or making them only usable in the world.
They're just going to allow GDKP's and boosting again, why the fuck would I pay them to pay people to not play the game??
>>747548721GET SAMWISE BACK ON YOUR ART TEAM BLIZZARD YOU FUCKING HACKS
>>747549080They've already nerfed every popular boosting dungeon in classic so the mobs have mechanics to make it impossible.
>>747548939>>747549007>Jeets can't comprehend that trains are fatter than the rails they ride on.
>>747548721This is why they killed Turtlewow, they didnt want anyone making them look worse than they make themselves look
>>747549042I don't like it and think it's derivative, but come on. 7 weeks, I could see it changing or them making a classic-style model for it. They did some extensive changes in the Cataclysm beta.
>>747540274That's because it's all women working there and they can comprehend feedback. If they're told people don't like xyz, their egos kicks into overdrive and they double down on xyz. The very first thing they show, the cinematic, they showcase this. People who want classic+ want to get away from disneyification and girl bosses.So what do they do?First thing they do is to show you they've learned nothing by inserting disney into the the cinematic. Then they end the cinematic with the girl boss. Their ego is telling you classic+ is now retail-They did this same shit with Diablo 4. They said it would be more like Diablo 3, but the system they showed worked like Diablo 3.
>>747549148If the train was wider than the tracks it wouldn't fit them motherfuckerPlease do the needful and do not reply to me on this topic ever again
>>747539306based
I'll be playing rogue on Forever because the class on retail essentially isn't in the game anymore.
>>747549090There were other artists who were trained in Warcraft's artstyle.And they were all fucking run off by Blizzard lmao.
>>747542043It's not a joke. They had stats like this in diablo 4.
>>747549326This looks disney as fuck.
>>747549365>DisneyThe gnome looks slightly anime.
>>747543584yesbut now you will also pay a monthly subscription for it kafir
>>747549417The woman looks like she's going to break out into song about her emotions and the gnome looks like her quirkchungus sidekick.
isnt turtlewow back under a different name?
>>747549495No she fucking doesn't, what are you talking about?
>>747549495What the fuck are you talking about nigger?
>turdle
>>747546557monthly subscription and buying the actual game you absolute brain dead
>>747549540>>747549595She has a Disney haircut for fuck's sake, women back then wore wimples.
Hey Retailfags, can you transmog to ANYTHING? Can I walk around looking like this?
I was huffing the Hopium during BlizzCon, even though "Fuck, can't wait to see all this new shit as an Alliance High Elf Paladin." Then came the Smurfs. Alliance Smurfs and Horde Smurfs so no one gets left out. Fuck this bitch of a world.ALLIANCE HIGH ELF PALADINFUCK
>>747546470kekso in their horizontal design theme, i guess when we reach quelthalas the blood elfs are either all dead or all in outland.
>>747549285yes, you can be the interrupt bitch/sap bitch in dungeons.
>>747549812You can literally give them white skin and blue eyes, if you're down that bad for your aryan fantasy.
>>747549779hey buddy
>>747549767>She has a Disney haircutShow me one Disney character with that haircut.
>>747549910They can't be Paladins thoughbeit
>>747549973so rogues can look like they're wearing plate armor?
>>747549767You might have disney derangement syndrome, anon
>>747550001Doesn’t one of the Frozens have the same cut?
>>747541970>tranny features of modern wow like pokemon battles, achievements, transmog collecting, etc.cringe and wrong, kill yourself you obsessed subhuman
>>747546470I had my self hyped up for high elves and figured they'd copy that over from turtle but i cancelled my sub because of this gay ass millenial tier shit.
>>747550092Not really
I don't have much else to add to the conversation, but the game industry really is doing the endless remakes that plagued movie industry for years
>>747550189Blizzard is literally just the "Hey remember us? We made WoW and Diablo2" company at this point. They don't have the talent to make anything new and interesting anymore, they just milk 40-50yr olds until they die of old age.
Wish they added dye for your gear, transmog is meh but I'd love to be able to change the color of my armor
>>747550189>plagued>past tense
>>747548713They are high elves
>>747547767>Thoughts?you should kys
>>747550049Yes and paladins will be able to wear pants instead of skirts.
How are they explaining the lore? The Scourge never came?
>>747551050It is set right after WC3 same as vanilla.They showed Archimonde's skeleton in Hyjal so the scourge and burning legion invaded.
>>747551050it's just wow up to naxx and then ignoring the pre-tbc patch and doing something different after.
>>747538567i thought the appeal of classic was that it was wow without any new shit, why are they adding new shit again
>>747551620because classic doesn't keep you hooked. they need to not only sell you wow a third time, but also make sure to keep you subbed as long as possible.
>>747538567I bet blizzard knew the launch will be a lukewarm cringefest and they had to draw sticks to decide who gets sent to the wolves LMAO.
>>747551704There isn’t a box price for this game, it comes with the subscription.
>>747548721Looks like they stole all the best addons included as features.
>>747548572>>747548578thanks lol
>>747550661already mad that you're going to be out DPS'd by my shaman?
