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>>747540598
Private serverfags are getting a new 75cap server in a couple weeks as well, looks promising
>https://youtu.be/nbDmVTikU68

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>FF11
>actual good

>>747541013
>no argument

>>747541232
>no quality

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>>747540598
>>747541004
based, /we/ will be playing
I fucking love this game

i just don't see the point when i didn't play it in 2004

>>747541004
lookin' good
what's the catch?

>>747542856
Trueeee this game really needs a remake that sucks all the soul and friction out of the game, and smears everything with vaseline and gas fr fr

>>747543002
it's basically in that state currently yeah

I recently read through the XI segment of this book
>https://archive.org/details/final-fantasy-ultimania-archive-v-03-2019
has some interesting things if you care about world building and that sort of stuff

>>747542882
it's a private server

>>747540598
how playable is the free trial? I'm a thirdie NEET and can't afford the sub

>>747540598
The trial should have included Zilart so that people can at least start Rhapsodies and/or finish the storylines that the base game sets up, but perhaps they'll expand things later.

>>747540598
Last i checked, which was many years ago, they had ruined it via wowification

>>747544089
Despite them changing it to be unlimited it's still very restricted in terms of what you can do
>capped at level 75 (of 99)
>3 trusts at most
>no AH
and the biggest one is that you're stuck in the base game zones which have basically nothing appealing anymore, and since the nation missions are all world building everything will most likely go over your head the first time around
I'd only play it to get a very basic taste of the gameplay

>>747544465
No such thing ever happened, were you confused by them using the term "ilvl", which isn't even implemented in a way that you would consider "wowified".

>>747544828
wowified means more solo friendly

>>747545135
That's a very strange definition and gross misusage of the term. It's also a very disingenuous argument to make when you and I both know (I assume you played it) that the game would need adjustments to make up for a lower playercount in it's elderly years.

Despite the changes made the game is still as deep as it ever was, if not deeper.

>>747545364
That doesn’t mean its not solo friendly, its not disingenous to say that. You can call it an inevitability and you’d be right but the game is no longer as fun as it used to be

>>747546250
>the game is no longer as fun as it used to be
I'm sure it would be way more fun if they made no changes whatsoever and no new players would have no way of progressing past level 10.

>>747546250
>the game is no longer as fun as it used to be
How would you know? You've glanced at it once in the last 15 years, if you've ever played it at all to begin with.

>>747547123
>>747546684
Please stop pretending that the game isn’t just full of mercs and solo players now.
I get why they changed the game to this overtime but its not unreasonable to just want a classic experience at this point, even if it meant starting over.
Accusing me wrongfully of not playing the current game is not going to change the truth of the current state of affairs of that game.

>>747547761
Look, we get it, you play on private servers and feel like you are above everyone else. Give it a rest man, you single handledly ruin threads about what is a comfy and beautiful game because your ego demands you talk down about retail.

>>747547761
>Please stop pretending that the game isn’t just full of mercs and solo players now.
You literally cannot do any of the current endgame events solo, nigga.

>>747540598
Final Fantasy XI is the most overrated MMO of all time.

Notice I didn't say bad. Overrated. The people who have been playing it for the past 25 years just talk it up way too much for what it actually is.

So where's the Classic-Only F2P Linkshell?
No trusts and only leveling with other players (Sparks for equipment is acceptable considering no AH)
Surprised it's not a thing if it isn't already
I don't know if you can trade as a F2P but maybe you can use the Linkshell Concierge to get around that?

I got the glowy Ebisu +1 like 10 years ago or whenever they added those, but after the fact I wish I hadn't sold my Lu Sheng(as was common when you got the Ebisu) because I like its glowy cosmetic version better.

So this is a Ragnarok Online thread but you're only talking about Final Fantasy 11? I don't get it

>>747545364
>That's a very strange definition and gross misusage of the term.
It is not a strange definition or a gross misusage.
WoW is an EQ clone, the ways WoW deviated from EQ therefore become the 'WoW qualities'. If an mmo, particularly one that is also an EQ clone, which ff11 is, changes one of its qualities to be less like EQ and more like WoW, it has 'WoWified' itself, it has engaged in WoWification

>>747540598
When is the two week limit supposed to be lifted?

>>747549474
It's a heavily misused term and clearly one that was brought up because the anon ahs ulterior motives. I doubt the anon in question even knows anything about WoW, meaning they have no understanding of either side of the statement they made.

>>747541004
Its a shame what retail became but do I want to start over and spend another 3~5 years of my life grinding the same jobs/mobs/drop again for the Xth time?

On retail I've got all my REMAs and jobs leveled, do I really want to go back to grinding lizzies/crabbos in the dunes for xp again? Do I really want to spend months doing up in arms again to get another kclub? 1000 KBs for Dring? Also what if this turns out to be ANOTHER fucking disaster like Nas/Wings/Horizon and all that effort is wasted again?

I think I'd rather just stick with retail. Private Servers always tend toward implosions over gay drama queens. Retail might be a shadow of its former self but at least I don't have to join the discord and watch trannies bicker about stupid bullshit that invariably causes the dev team to quit and move on to yet another fucking server to start the process all over again.

>>747549948
Im the one that brought it up and those are my definitions. A WoW clone is an EQ clone that has
1. Solo leveling
2. Quest based level
3. Instanced dungeons
4. The WoW style battleground pvp system
5. Bind on pickup/equip

Some other things probably i cant think of right now. Those are the things that really distinguished WoW and which, when any other mmo you see has them, you know its because WoW had them either directly or because WoW clones have become so standardized thats just what a lot of people think an mmo is.

Specifically a massive part of the appeal of EQ clones is group leveling and meeting new people and playing with them in comfy camps that run for days on end sometimes as players come and go. That is the fundamental social interaction that is supposed to exist in an mmo and what drives its sense of community more than anything else.
It is probably the single biggest change WoW made and so yeah, thats wowification if ive ever seen it.

>>747550813
So the term was used incorrectly and none of those aspects apply to retail FFXI, got it. Once again proving the statement that you are a private server player who only wants to shit up the thread to be correct.

>>747551108
>solo leveling
this is what i mentioned and the response was that 'of course it has to be that way or else new players....' which seemingly confirmed the whole 'solo leveling' thing. If that is not true why did you defend solo leveling in a game that does not even have it? If it is true then my criticism stands.

>>747551592
We get it anon, you're clueless, back to the private server general.

>>747551806
>If that is not true why did you defend solo leveling in a game that does not even have it? If it is true then my criticism stands.
answer the question

>>747551592
You could always solo level in FFXI

I leveled BST 1-75 entirely solo circa 2004

>>747552764
only bst could solo level, and some level ranges some people could bully worms. Those were the designated solo leveling classes. Thats not unlike EQ. having a class that can solo level is way different from having the fundamental gameplay system tell you that solo leveling is the default experience and grouping is an exception.

Some other EQ clones, such as DAoC for example, you could solo with any class but it was way slower than grouping so people would solo while lfg. WoW really made solo leveling the default activity for leveling. While there were mmos prior to this that allowed for solo leveling, particularly in the context of an EQ clone (which among other things is a 3d mmo with a tank class and agro management), the 'gameplay loop' (i hate this term) of logging on and looking for a group being broken by WoW is the most notable aspect.

>>747553248
>only bst could solo level,
Wrong, stopped reading. RDM could too.

>>747553513
rdm was good at soloing bosses and notorious monsters it was not good at solo leveling you are being obtuse

Just let the thread die, this guy is going to spend hours camping it trying to argue his retarded point.

Try again tomorrow.

>>747553513
There are a few more.
BLM, but you had a very limited selection of camps, and all were extremely dangerous.
RNG and any worm camp you like.
DRG/(WHM/NIN) and some piercing-weak mobs.
Probably both BLU and PUP with some very specific setups, though I never tried myself.

>>747555603
Most of those didn't become viable like BST or RDM until after treasures, I remember a few guys trying to solo level RNG but storage space was the issue back when the max stack for anything was 12, including ammo, DRG especially was dogshit in era and couldn't do anything (solo or in a party kek) before its major buffs from treasures. PUP and BLU obviously also got added with Treasures. I think there was a Vanadiel census pre-treasures that showed that even by the end of Chains era most people didn't have a single 75 job yet and a lot of people were looking for solo content so there was a concerted effort to make more jobs solo viable.

I also never heard of anyone trying to solo level BLM, manaburn parties sure, those were common, but a single BLM? Leveling from 1~75 on his own? I don't recall ever seeing anyone try that back then.

>>747548149
>>747548186
No i did not say anything like that you enjoy retail if you want what you need to stop doing is pretending its not a solo game and selling the game to everyone based on a lie. I literally also said mercs, thats how a new player progresses past the content that actually requires other people, the term wowified however refers to making the game more solo friendly. This is a game where you used to need a party for everything, now 90% of the game is solable

>>747555976
Blm had an inefficient solo method killing bst pets, you did it while you were trying to find a party but it did not replace an actual exp party or a manaburn like that anon os desperately trying to convince you otherwise.

>>747553513
RDM could solo things very very very slowly. Theres no way a RDM the most sought after healer in the 75 era was going to pick getting 20k exp every 10 hours soloing versus getting 20k exp an hour in a party because their offense was some of the worst in the entire game.

>>747557695
>now 90% of the game is solable
Yes, and? You do understand that if that wasn't the case the game would dead and buried a decade ago, because there would be no way for any new players to progress.

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>>747546684
This is the biggest most misleading post in the thread and its clear this anon is just gaslighting. The games issues with low level vs high level players was entirely solved by level sync and fov/gov.
I at first left this game during 14 1.0 release when Abyssea had just come out specifically because exp parties became a gross mass killing of mobs in the most braindead way in an alliance on abyssea while opening chests. Level 30+ players didn’t even participated they just afk’d in the party or opened chests.
Exp parties existed for the level range 10-29 because 30 was the requirement for abyssea. After everyone left due to this and FF14 and the game started getting a dwindling playerbase thats when they added trusts and forever cemented not needing a party for anything except endgame ever again.
Even cp parties require you to gain a certain amount of cp solo before its acceptable for you to join one.
To any new player reading this thread, don’t listen to these gaslighting retards and either beg SE for a classic server or play on a private server thats not catseye or any of the servers with exp boosts. If you don’t care for the actual ffxi experience or just want to see the story then go to retail.

>>747557956
Thats not an argument thats just you being disingenous.
They destroyed the party aspect of this game themselves it was not a “playerbase” problem.
Abysseas entry level is the only argument I need for that.

>>747558254
>>747541004
Horizon just updated with ToAU, probably in preparation for this server.

>>747558254
No one cares about FFXI except people who played FFXI instead of WoW back in the day. Everyone who is actually new is going to play retail for the story because they came directly from the XIV Vana'diel alliance raids, not because they read a 4chan thread where 2 autists are arguing with each other about grinding mobs in a 25 year old game.

>>747560230
Thats exactly why I said “if you only care for the story then play retail”
Your ad hominem won’t change anything and you will continue to have impotent seething

>>747560514
>ad hominem
>impotent seething
I guess I forgot to mention that I'm not any of the people you replied to or that were part of that conversation. That's on me.

>>747558254
Capacity point parties are literally a bigger grind than 1-75 was
shit sucks

>>747558308
>it was not a “playerbase” problem.
Lmao. 95% of active players have been at level cap for 10 years or more. Sure, bro, it wasn't a "playerbase" problem.

>>747558254
>Exp parties existed for the level range 10-29
Lmao, no. You would either sit in /yell for hours begging for someone to powerlevel you or you'd have your friends/LS powerlevel you because the game had fuckall players at that level range even on high-pop servers. Trusts were a fucking godsend.

>Even cp parties require you to gain a certain amount of cp solo before its acceptable for you to join one
Beginners wanting to CP have the exact same problem now that people had with exping back then. Every established player and their brother already has every job mastered, thus no one needs to do CP ever again, aside from new players. Thankfully, this is somewhat mitigated by the new catch-up gear and trust buffs that SE is introducing. Otherwise every new player would have to either give up on progress or beg/pay for a carry.

>>747560965
>Thankfully, this is somewhat mitigated by the new catch-up gear and trust buffs that SE is introducing.
no it's mitigated by paying some indian using bots to farm it for you, that'll be 20m+ tip

I'm a lvl 40 RDM and just did the 3-3 Windurst mission. When does this shit get good because so far its a contender for the worst game I have ever played.

>>747561856
>I'm a lvl 40 RDM and just did the 3-3 Windurst mission. When does this shit get good
The base game is extremely barebones. That said, you're three missions away from beating it and being able to do expac content.

>>747561856
The base game is pretty much just ARR from XIV, assuming you've played that. The other expansions' stories are better, but even base XI has a better story than ARR imo. It's both more meaningful and also more concise.