Apologizefans got hired and fixed it
>>747540805>pay us again to get the game we promised you the first time
>>747540805ok cooli'll still play the original instead
>>747540805Why is Whitemane in there, she wasn't in WC3
>>747541306nobody that works at blizzard today knows that
what's goin on here
>>747540805The originals are better. What is wrong with thes people. I won't pay them for my childhood again. I never even was tempted by the first remake. Fucking Faggots you had your chance for Warcraft 4 and you blew it years ago. FUCK OFF
>>747540805the fuck is that whitemanedropped
>>747541306They're making a new expansion. Yes, for WC3. Why didn't they just make WC4? I have no fucking idea.
>>747540805actually does look better
>unfucked the artstyleHOLY FUCK YES>New campaign like rexxarsHOLY FUCK YES YES>It's the 3rd undead one with sylvanas wankNOOOOOOOOOOOOWHERES MY NAGAS AND BLOOD ELVES
>>747540805i never got into warcraft but i'll be boughting this now to try it out
>building wammin units in an rts gameISHYGDDT
>>747542979I'm gay for ranged heroes even if they're f*ids who wants a tank when you can have a pure dps machine
>>747542045Imagine the smell
>>747541768if they make WC4 then they would have to take into account all the fucking retarded story of WoW, I bet you a bunch of writers took a look at that clusterfuck and just deep throated a shotgun
>>747543459nah, just ditch everything and go back to warcraft 1 lore, orc vs humans would be a win if done right
>>747540805Removing LAN and charging $30 for it is fixing it?
How is the campaign for people playing it? I can't imagine a new expansion being 30 hours long, main game or Frozen Throne aren't that long
>>747543860that would piss off a lot of people invested into the horribly convoluted plot of WoW though, I can see the only winning move for Blizz to make is to not make it at all.
>>747543901This, the original battlechest is a finished game and they kinda fucked it up.
would buy if it was on steam but alas
>>747543459>if they make WC4 then they would have to take into account all the fucking retarded story of WoWNo, they don't. They've literally just announced WoW Forever, which is a complete reboot of WoW that ignores everything after Classic.
Crazy that WC4 might be a thing now.I'm sure Microsoft has some data that the RTS might be not so dead that making it would be a shitshow, AoE2/4 are striving and has a decent MP communityWow: Forever shows us that they can just go another route with the loreWarcraft becoming Alternate Universes crap is so fucking funny thoughMaybe they'll make more movies too
>>747540805looks like the covered up whitemane, what a waste
>>747541465Hiding her futa cock. (for me only)
>>747546419>Crazy that WC4 might be a thing now.Now all they have to do is invent a time machine and release it 20 years ago!
>>747540805THANK YOU BLIZZARDim gonna buy this no matter how much it costs
>>747546275You have zero idea what the story for that is going to be, or if it's changed, so you're talking entirely out of your retarded ass.
I'm playing the new campaign and there hasn't been any base building at all. Is it all like this? I don't like these kinds of missions where you're just attack moving. >>747542960hav fun
>>747546630Windows 11 with secure boot required
>>747546662The only retard here is you, you subhuman filth. The only thing that you are fit of is eating shit out my asshole.
>>747543459WoW retail is no longer canon. Forever is a new canon that follows WC3's new canon with the new expansion.
>>747546707>Says some stupid shit with zero basis in reality, cries about it I laughed at you.
>>747546275>>747546758wait when did that happen?
>>747546662Hey idiot, are Skyborne Elves in retail? If no, then it's a new canon. Requires two seconds of thoughts. The Skyborne Elves in Forever's canon joined the Alliance/Horde prior to any events of WoW. They're not in the Alliance/Horde in retail.
>>747546812They announced it today. There's a new WC3 expansion that adds additional story/lore to the Forsaken and adds Forsaken Paladins to the game as a tavern hero. Forever is following the new WC3 canon and has Forsaken Paladins & stories continuing from the WC3 storyline, such as a Lordaeron questline & dungeon. So Retail is no longer canon. Forever is the new WC3 canon.
>>747546834You and that other guy really need to ground your expectations in reality, you really think Blizzard is going to maintain two separate stories? Or just be lazy and pretend like its all the same?
>>747540805>>747541465Sally's thighs will get fixed with mods, right?
>>747540805we are coming home
>>747543459>if they make WC4 then they would have to take into account all the fucking retarded story of WoWEverybody would forgive them for ignoring WoW and simply continuing from the end of TFT, as if WoW was but a fever dream. They're already preparing to forget retail because you can't milk retards with 100$ auction house mounts forever.
But what does Grubby say about this? What did Blizzard pay him to say?
>>747547107this guy singlehandedly reviving the WC3 scene was lowkey cool
>>747540805that looks fucking retarded, it's not fixed at all, it's just a new version of bad. Why the fuck is there a WoW character in there btw?
>>747540805they reduced the bust size
>>747540805Why can't they get something simple like red stockings with garters right?
>>747546834>skyborne elvesThey're basically giving people the high elves without giving them the high elves. "Skyborne" "Highborne" "High Elves". The bad part is that horde also gets elves again, which is a tragedy for them. Probably because some women who work at blizzard wanted to be sexy ingame while they play with the SO's who play horde. This shit isn't supposed to be happening, horde should be the faction of monsters, not elves. Them doing the pandaren thing but with elves now is a really bad idea but you can't do anything about it, you can only watch, like with a slow motion car crash.The less QoL and less aspects of retail WoW they copy, the better WoWForever will be in the long run.
>>747540805did they remove LAN?
>>747540805How hot are the new Dryads though?
>>747546758>Forever is a new canon that follows WC3's new canonAnd how the fuck do Sky Elves fit into that canon, retard?>oh well we'll just rewrite Warcraft 3 to put them in there
>>747540805>succubus turned into a fertility goddess>whitemane censoredwhat the fuck happened
>>747547384This is basically the antithesis of what people wanted in Classic+. It's like they took all the feedback and then just did the opposite. Holy shit.
>>747540805>Whitemane covered up>succubi look like they're part of a coomer modWeird but I'll take it
>>747546898huh ok, that explains a lot
>>747541465BEKFAST
>>747546705I think the first few are prologue missions.
>>747540805>No new playable races>Has Nagas,Burning Legion, Outlands (Akama and other draenei) and other cool stuff>Sylvanas is the most boring character in WC3 and WC3 had Tyrande>30$ campaign with the least interesting setting and locationAtleast art looks watchable now>>747547107picrel
>>747547741>Atleast art looks watchable nowIt's not, let's be honest. Also they added a new tavern hero to tie into the undead paladins they're giving to Horde in classic+. So I shan't be touching Warcraft 3 ever again if the patch is higher than 1.27
>>747547534If they wanted something "pretty" they could have given them Nagas, but the issue with the naga is that the dudes look like monsters while the women look like succubae with snake tails, aka Lamias.
>>747547107Why does he look like, bros?Like unironically.Does he have some sort of genetic condition or disease or something?
>>747547960>Does he have some sort of genetic condition yeah it's called being british
>>747547890Wanting something "pretty" is an issue in itself, this should never be a design consideration to begin with for the Horde.
>>747540805Here's a crazy idea, make some new titles instead.
>>747548042>Wanting something "pretty" is an issue in itselfYep. They also missed an opportunity to get some "body diversity" going with female ogres, i heard they're adamant about that stuff these days.
>>747548038Worse, he's some kind of Dutch/Philippines half-breed
>>747548038Isn't Grubby dutch?
>>747548208>>747548261potato potato
>>747540805>Haha, let's spend the whole Blizzcon show joking about feet pics and how sensual Blood Elf men are>A WOMAN'S BARE THIGHS?! OH MY HECKIN' SCIENCE, WHAT ARE YOU, SOME KIND OF PORN ADDICT?!
>>747547960he's dutch and 40 years old
I think the worst thing about the new graphics is the grass looking blurry and less textured than the original grass. I tried undead on a snow map and everything looks clean and good.
>>747547005One benefit of HotS being abandoned except a few balance patches is that the women are still hot in that game, and there's only a couple token niggers (one hidden in a big suit). The Butcher still ruins HotS tho.
>>747548428>PORN ADDICTThat word has become synonymous with "heterosexual male" thanks to social media.
>>747547107>>747548261Being Grubby must be pain, hyping up a tournament with the world's best players after Blizzcon to basically advertise re-reforged, giving everyone hope again...And then having to smile through it all after seeing what it looks like. AGAIN. >worlds actual best player sees right through it and flatly denies participationBased autistic Russian
>>747540805new graphics are closer to what their initial concepts for reforged were like pic relbut somehow it's still off, mainly the environment
>>747548428Why are feet the only thing about a woman that are acceptable to sexualize? I'm an actual footfag, and even I'm baffled.
>>747544624It's more similar to the Rexxar campaign, and since I went in expecting a more RTS style I was disappointed, but paused my playthrough since I actually like the Rexxar campaign, I just need to be in the mood for it, so waiting until I have that mood to resume the new one.
>>747547960>Why does he look like, bros?Speaking of genetic failures...
>>747548792When HOTS came out and people were like "these graphics would look good for WC3" I thought they were retarded since this doesn't look anywhere near as good as the WC3 art style. But now I see it would have been a blessing to get something like this.
>>747548792Everything new looks like fucking clay.
>>747548675The new models are also missing idle animations, just like the old reforged models
>>747540805>nu-blizzno thanks
>>747548261>>747547960>>747548038>>747548496He's half dutch half Indonesian or Filipino or chaiwanese or some shit, that's we he looks inhuman
>>747548724aren't religious people supposed to be sexually repressed anyway?why does she wear bdsm battle nun gear?
>>747548965the game was made by heterosexual men
>>747547404Yes
why do they have to make it look like league of legends why cant they just make new models with the same style as the old ones?
>>747549114I'm just thinking about the lore implications, yeah I like her bare thighs and hips, it's great, but does it make sense considering that she's supposed to be a human priestess?
>>747541465HOW DARE WOMEN WEAR PANTS
>>747548165Unfortunately if you want female players, you gotta give them something pretty or at least cute to play.
>>747548947I just tried night elf and there are idle animations. I'm not sure if they're different from the original game. Here's the Priestess's tiger licking its paw
>>747547149Bullshit. Back2warcraft did a bigger job
>>747549192more men will get in your sect?
>>747549334Here the archer is tugging on her bow string and looking around
>>747540805Wait a minute, anons were in the previous thread trying to claim definitive edition was censored >>747517305Anons are literally running disinformation campaigns to try and discredit forsaken kingdom
if you give nublizz money you are subhumansimple as
>>747549373that's very likely.
>>747540805goddamn reforged was fucking uglythe new reforged models are substantially worse quality wise but look ten times better via artstyle
>>747549379Yes, I can tell you this one was always in because looking at the archer up close was part of my awakening and now I have a crippling desire for big muscular goth girls as it's the closest I'll get
why does this >>747548792 look like absolute ass but this >>747549334 looks goodaren't both supposed to be reforged?
Why I cant play the original campaigns with new graphics like wtf
I like how half the portraits don't show up and when they do you get shit like this. I checked in the editor btw, there is no purple eredar model. Sorcerer, Diabolist, and Warlock all have the exact same model/color/everything. They clearly rushed this shit out the door for Blizzcon
>>747549476anyone know what that scene even references?I know there was a lot of nonsense in the show but I just don't get that one bit.
>>747549574This>>747549594 is why. They straight up didn't bother updating 90% of the models in the game.
>>747548746The game looks okayish to good now with this new update. Reforged was what GTA remakes were, totally unsalvageable visually. All they need to do now is fix the environmental detail, there's plenty of videos online showing the differences.>>747548965Game wasn't made by religious people so they actually had freedom of expression.
>>747549338yeah i can't stand the queer but credit where it's due
>>747549543The first image was concept art that they used to advertise reforged a couple of years ago. The second image shows the new graphics
>>747549625It's just a play on yakuza brotherhood bonding via the sake drinking ritual.
>>747549795Thanks for clarifying, that one scene has been bothering me for years making me feel like a complete dumbass, I'm glad it's a cultural thing that I couldn't possibly have figured out without researching yakuza specifically.
>>747540805sorceress owes me sex
>>747549986I'm surprised you didn't catch it if you've seen PTE, just by knowing the show exists you must've known of japanese culture to a degree and the sake bonding thing is parodied/referenced everywhere.
>>747540805Holy shit those thighs.
>>747540805>everyone is a semen demon besides the wow self insert nobody cares about anywaybased
They fucking RUINED Sally. wow. as expected of nublizz
>>747549182Because nothing is run by people who have practical skills or talents, it's run by people who lucked into their positions, sucked enough dick or were psychopathic enough. Products aren't made to be good anymore, they are made to resemble other things that sold.
>>747549698>The game looks okayish to good now with this new update.nope
>>747549476Reforged models are a real mixed bag. For instance in the OP image I actually think the reforged archer looks great and really hot, but every other character looks mediocre or terrible. My favorite reforged model is Shadow Hunter cause they gave him a really cool mask.
>>747550398I dont understand it tbf they literally released a statue of her that shows her bare thighs not too long ago and even the alexstraza redesign shows her legs and cleavage and that was blizzard peak wokeness era
whitemane is BIG
>>747549594odds they bother fixing shit like this so we can play the OG campaigns with the new graphics? or custom maps. it's a real shame they only bothered with the main races and stuff you see in the new campaign
>>747550459all of the Reforgred models are irredeemable trash because they are noisy and hard to read in a fucking RTS
>>747550590I don't think they'd bother releasing an expansion for a 20 year old game, if they didn't plan to keep supporting it.Same for Heroes of the Storm. They're not adding the foot elf to the game, and then no one else.
>>747550120I've got holes in my knowledge of japanese culture/language, I just learned a few days ago the "Beef or Chicken" scene was a play on an idiom as if to ask if Popuko was a man or a mouse.a lot of this stuff goes over my head, I might be an idiot.
>>747550638it's barely a new expansion. where are the new units? new heroes? and don't say the single tavern hero because that shit came with the patch. finally getting playable naga would have been nice...
>>747549207this but unironically
>>747549207Too many people are waaaaay to comfortable with bitching about entertainment they don't give a fuck about.
>>747550802Blizzshills have been copy pasting that every time someone brings up the Whitemane censorship. The defense force is out in droves tonight. Look here's another now>>747550914
>>747550730>it's barely a new expansion. where are the new units? new heroes? and don't say the single tavern hero because that shit came with the patch.lmao it all exists to justify horde paladins in classic+, holy christ these devs are retarded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4gBJlMaZDU
>>747550958>Look here's another now>>747550914 (You)They're very adamant about women wearing pants but if the pants are too tight on their asses, then that's an issue as well because men might see a woman's ass. They're purtanical retards. Thankfully the original games weren't made by puritanical retards or they wouldn't have sold at all.
So it's true that they are retconning all the tranny goyslop lore from WoW? Is Arthas alive now?
>>747551430He is on forever, basically right now forever lore is the WC3 new expansion into forever and that's it, no outlands, no kaelthas and illidan being murdered by the writers, etc.It's essentially a reset button if they want to commit to it and some people are coping saying they're shutting down regular wow and other dumb shit lmao
>>747540805do these new definitive edition visuals work on the classic campaigns?
>>747551663So now there are 2 Warcraft continuities? One with WoW lore from the last 20 years and the one ignoring it?
Wait so can you play the old campaigns with the new graphics?
>>747540805fuck you nigger
>>747540805I played the prologue of the new campaign and enjoyed it. level design is not as good as the old campaigns though.
>>747540805pffffthahhahaahahahaha
>>747551430it's a restart from classicretail is going to end with some timeline shit to encourage players to play forever insteadthat's why this isn't classic+, they need to make new slop for their retail players
>>747551910They really really really need to fix the environmental graphics, that looks like disneyshit.
>>747551826Yeah that's what remakes are for
>>747547741>Sylvanas is the most boring character in WC3 and WC3 had Tyranderetard
>>747551186Oh nice, someone to blame
>>747551663You say this but they immediately announced gay blue sky elves. So I doubt this very much.
>>747551762Yes, that's exactly it.
>>747551826No, do not let these niggers lie to you. You CANNOT play the OG campaigns with the definitive edition graphics.
>Nth mission where you just navigate 8-12 units and can't build anythingDamn, I love playing Warcraft
>>747552286guess i'm waiting then, in a few months they'll put the new graphics in classic campaigns, fix the lighting and maps that are broken from the new stuff will be fixed
>that'll be half your framerate + tip
>>747540805and probably werent paid either
>>747540805woke is still going strong there
>>747552382This has been compared to Age of Empires 2 definitive edition. How does that hold up, all things considered? It looks like they still have some work to do.
>>747552382>halves your frames>looks worseThey can't keep getting away with it
>>747552382All of "The Grit" is gone.. fucking WHY??
for anyone who hasn't loaded up the game yet, this is the new menu screen
>>747540805It looks better then Reforged but still like shit compared to the OG. Why they didn't just take the HotS models is beyond me. Samwise was truly the only one who knew what the fuck he was doing.
>>747552634I immediately set it back to the classic frozen throne background this shit is so ugly
>>747552634>forsaken kingdomMore like forsaken LAN button
>>747552634
long time wow player but never played the rts games, is wc3 still good and do i need to have rts experience to enjoy it?
>>747552993The campaign tutorial treats you like it's your first video game ever so you'll be fine
>>747548792The 3D portraits look half ass. Otherwise I like it
>>747552634>>747552863here it is in motion
How many hours of fun can I get out of warcraft 3 realistically if I just do campaign and bots bwos?
>>747551910Those environments instantly gave me flashbacks to Warcraft 2. Seriously, I wonder if they did that deliberately.
>>747552490AoE2 DE is fantastic. They're very good at putting in new art that fits the style. A recent-ish patch introduced 11 new architectural types of castle, which was really cool since castles are basically emblems of the civilizations.
>>747552382wow if looks like shit
I don’t give a FUCK about the graphics, are the custom games fixed yet or what?
>>747553098why does it look blurry?
>>747553098we gatcha now
>>747553401Brother it has only gotten worse
>>747553328Hopefully the same effort is put into W3 going forward.
Oh my god I can't escape the Sylvanas wank. They're even going into the fucking past to retroactively wank her now. I am actually going to turn into the fucking Joker
>>747541306WoW fans outnumber Warcraft fans.
>>747541059that's bullshit
>>747553532Costs nothing to be optimistic.
>>747552634>>747553098yeah nice so now instead of them re-writing vanilla wow to not be shit, they have to re-write warcraft 3 to explain the dogshit writing in vanilla. Awesome stuff.
>>747552490I personally never quite liked AoE2:DE stylistic changes, like very subjectivelly SFX not being quite up to my taste, some visual effects feeling somewhat out of place like the building collapse animations, and from the visual side of things, especially the used colour saturation - that said, it's very customisable and apparently it just may be possible to fix some of the stylistic changes by making them much less prominent just by playing around with the settingsIf nothing else, AoE2:DE even at its worst is not an absolute travesty, it's just somewhat miffing, what could've been slightly changed
>>747547960He was a mouthbreather in his formative years. Hence the elongated face and puffy cheekbones.
>>747549338>Bullshit. Back2warcraft did a bigger jobI quickly blocked his channel because he talks in a very gay and annoying voice
>>747553564Sylvanie is the only relevant character in that period, everybody else was enjoying vacation after btfoing kill'jaden or dead. Also she has a lot of fans.
>>747548724no its not. You are fucking coomer braindead retard. No fucking single old school gamer wants to play as a woman or see any women during any fucking game. Stupid nigger you are porn addicted pedophile coomer
>>747549379Lazy.Where's the Archer standing up straight?She's hunched over like a fucking goblin and her male pattern baldness isn't exactly enticing.Also the huntress is wearing pants.
>>747553671>If nothing else, AoE2:DE even at its worst is not an absolute travesty, it's just somewhat miffingNever played it but i've heard only praise for the job the devs did on it. I watched a documentary about it, that's the extent of my experience with that game. Warcraft3 appealed more to me because i could see what was happening on field, and heroes looked cool.
>>747553990>no its not. You are fucking coomer braindead retard. No fucking single old school gamer wants to play as a woman or see any women during any fucking game. Stupid nigger you are porn addicted pedophile coomerHoly shit he went apeshit after being told the truth. You wouldn't have called the warcraft devs 20+ years ago "coomers" when they made sure the game had sex appeal because troons hadn't invented the word "coomer" for you to regurgitate like the crypto tranny you really are. Performative puritans really need rope because they're feminazi adjacent.
>>747540805>pay nuBlizz again to ruin WC3... againshant
>>747547960He's a Dutch and having sex with a Singaporean saps away his lifeforce.
>>747540805That's cool. It's a shame I have no intentions to give blizzard money.
>>747541768>Why didn't they just make WC4? I have no fucking idea.I have an idea. See what happened to AOE4.
is the whole thing just rexar in lordaeron?
This multiple artstyles shit currently in Reforged is really flaring up my autism.Would it kill them to unify all the units across the campaign to make the game look consistent?
>>747555119They don't have the resources
>>747554401Retard you're already getting the update if you have reforged whether you like it or not, you just don't get the new campagin
>>747555219Good artists aren't cheap and RTS isn't exactly raking in cash.
>>747555119>Would it kill them to unify all the units across the campaign to make the game look consistent?Would it kill them to just not make the units ugly in the first place
>>747555264>Good artists aren't cheapThey already had one who was part of the furniture but they let him go lmao
>>747555119i honestly have no idea why they just can't pick clear style and just run with it
>>747555297Good CEOs aren't cheap and Blizzard isn't exactly raking in ca-
>>747541093this, original still clears
>>747552382travesty
>>747555119Microsoft fired most of the skeleton RTS crew around Reforged 2.0 release. Now the AOE2 team is in charge.
They should have made a real remake with a new engine but that would have cost too much I guess. Also a campaign to make WoW canon is a travesty. I have enough of Sylvanus.
>>747555690Source?
>>747554762aoe4 is good
>>747540805Cool, unfortunately it has been years past since this meant anything to me anymore and I just don't care about this game like I did back then so it's still a pass.
>>747547384>while they play with the SO'sJust say their husband. I hate this retarded nuspeak reddit shit.
>>747548812Quentin TarantinoHe's an unrepentant footfag and shows it in each of his films. So you can't critique feet unless you want to appear as some uncultured swine.>>747548428>>747541465>expansion about playing shitty ass Forsaken niggers>Whitemane gets censoredDropped.
>>747555690>Microsoft fired most of the skeleton RTS crew around Reforged 2.0 release. Now the AOE2 team is in charge.HOLY FUCK based cow worshipper. The duality of ZERO EXPERIENCE.
>>747548812the only thing thats not required to be covered in mudslime countries, together with handsbasically DEI compliant, corporate safe gooner shit
>>747540805You are a soulless freak, if you like Reforged. DO NOT TALK TO ME! It's absolutely disgusting. They ruined the classic Warcraft 3 aesthetic. They even censored Whitemane's thighs. Disgusting. Blizzard needs to sell Warcraft to someone, who will completely reset the timeline.
>>747555690Wouldn't that be a huge improvement?
>>747555914>goonerwhat percentage of populations has feet fetish? it has to be <3% they are basically sexual degenerates
Why does it look worse than the previous upgrade?
>>747548812>Why are feet the only thing about a woman that are acceptable to sexualize?Because feet aren't a marker or cue for fertility, youth, or beauty. It's like women getting excited over men's ear lobes. Safehorny shit.
>>747540805>>747548428>>747552382>>747552634>graphics somehow look worse than 23 years ago>campaign focused on based Forsaken showing it to the stupid humansI genuinely hate everything about this.>>747556075It's baffling. HotS exists. HotS has a great Warcraft inspired map with half the human and orc roster as creeps. It looks like what everyone thought WC3 remastered would look like. Yet here's Blizzard somehow fucking it up a second time around.How?!
>>747556035wayyyyy more commonhigh heels are in every self-respecting womans closet
So i gotta buy it again to get the fixed version?
>>747553098The music is so bad it's unbelievable. It's the type of shit you'd hear in a GoT rpg fan mod. Anyway I said a while ago that it's impossible for them to add a new race, since that would imply either making each model twice (three times at this point, lmao what a fucking mess) one for reforged/rereforged and one for classic, and, as we've seen at reforge launch (picrel), they simply can't make good looking classic units anymore which are faithful to the original art style. Either that, or make the new content exclusive to the newest set of graphics, like they've done with the campaign and in Diablo II. Which would mean disabling either the new race or the old graphics in ladder. It's a fucking mess and a travesty.
>>747556246>fixed version
>>747540805arr rook the same
>>747556246You get the graphics and the undead paladin if you own reforged.You pay extra for the heckin' story to find out why Undercity water is green.
>>747556246>So i gotta buy it again to get the fixed version?
>>747555316funny, aoe4 is plastic looking mobile game garbage as well. look at all of those auras and inconsistently sized units, goddamn. not to mention the green matrix fast forward when building a building. and don't get me started on the way arrows look
>>747556313>>747556323this genuinely makes me mad
>>747556313>undead paladinAnd this fucking garbage is now going to be in Warcraft 3 forever from the tavern. Like every pro game I watch will have this in it. Now and for all time.
>>747556323Honestly do they test this stuff on an audience before they drop their pants in public and expose it to everyone?
>you can use new artstyle in original campaignsWhat's the point then? Is the new graphical update only for those multiplayer autists whining about the Reforged graphics being too busy?
>>747556403But bro the Forsaken follow da light too. It's not limited to bigot racists from the alliance.
>>747556403The UPal is ridiculously overtuned. You'd want to get him as soon as possible.
>>747556403Stop it will you. Holy undead priests have always been a thing. This is the one thing that is neat which came out of Blizzcon. I mean only as far as WOW is concerned. The tavern hero is MOBA OP garbage. Dash and aoe stun, give me a fucking break
>>747556403Undead paladin used to be a joke, like a tauren rogue. How does a tauren hide in a cherry tree? he paints his hooves red. That's a joke in WoW, at least i think it still is there.
Remember when they removed original Warcraft 3 from bnet even if you redeemed it but still asked you to pay for Reforgedfuck Blizzard
>>747556459They gave you 10$ off if you buy the combo tho! :^) That's generous!
>>747556528>Holy undead priests have always been a thing.nothey haventretard
>>747556313>the base game is $30>they want me to pay an additional $30 for 2 new campaignswhat?
>>747556462>WC3 original styleFor people who just want to play WC3 again.>WC3 Reforged styleKorean MMO aesthetics because Blizzard had a fatwa against Didier at that time.>WC3 Definitive Edition styleBlizzards very late reaction to finding out that everyone hates the Korean MMO style and to seeing everyone and their mother make mad $$$ from faithful remasters around them.
>>747556329>inconsistently sizedso just like AoE2that's any game with infantry. In fact if you don't do this people will point out how unreadable your game
>>747556656Don't you want to find out how Sylvanas owned the stupid survivors of Lordaeron a second time over?
>>747556731not really, nothis seems like one of those stories that they didnt even need to bother telling us
>>747556731given what the cinematic showed, i would imagine it's gonna be more about naxxramas
>>747556694nothing in aoe2 is as offensive as those spears the knights are holdingalso, to me, the horse riders look the same size as the pedestrians
>>747556781Ughh excuse me sis (or bro to not discriminate) but this is an epic tale to tell.>>747556814The promo art shows them fighting the Scarlet Crusade. Clearly that's going to be the focus.
CAN I PLAY THE OLDER CAMPAINGS IN THE NEWER GRAPHICS? THISS IS IMPORTANT
>>747556604schizo
The updated models look like they come out of candy crush, are they serious with this shit?
>>747548792It looks good up close like this but the second you zoom out it starts falling apartAlso look at the huge difference in style between the altar, town hall, and barracks, the roof tiles and stone bricks especially, feels like three different games
>>747556249>arHRTas>"this entire groin must be purged"
>>747556814>given what the cinematic showedIt was a 1:1 warcraft 3 opening cinematic, which is somewhat nice, if it actually means they're gonna try to emulate the writing and story telling from back then.
>>747556403HOL UP! Don't the pros use the classic style for better visibility, and doesn't the new "character" require new graphics just to be playable at all?And what about the new balance changes and all the crap in this game? Are the pros now forced to play with those shitty new graphics?
>>747541768Probably doing what happened with AoE II.
>>747556856nah this is gonna be the focus
>>747556874No
>>747540805Why does thighmane have trousers on? What is this woke garbage slop?
>>747548965Because it looked cool.
>>747557047>doesn't the new "character" require new graphics just to be playable at all?Nah there's two of them, one for classic and one definitive. There's no reforged version for undead paladin.
>>747557138Zoomers, Muslim and Chink sensebilities.
>>747553098>fake 3d bullshit is the first thing you see when you reach wc3r's main menu>wowf gets reskinned blood elves for both alliance and hordewhy couldn't they just apply a little more effort?
>>747541768>spend 8 years to make new game, with new assets, and a new plot, and have people completely rag on it as they do with every new game these days>make DLC-sized content for old game, riding of it's cult classic popularity and rake in the "fans of warcraft 3 excited to play it for the first time" moneyEasier, less risk. Always think about the money angle, it will rarely steer you wrong.
>>747547107that picture does a lot of heavy lifting
>>747557106We'll have to see then. Maybe since this is a prequel to forever Blizzard is going to do something more with the crusade besides keeping them as villains.
>>747556671I don't care which artstyle you like. I want the game to look consistent. And at this point, old campaigns have different graphics, new campaigns have different graphics and skirmish also potentially has different graphics.It triggers my OCD.
>>747553642blizztroon's motto as he covers the last inch of his chest with a "fell for it again" award
>>747557560I play with my original Frozen Throne CD (pirated) from 2005.
>>747556854Phalangite don't count I presume?I expected you to say the wall gate to be the most offensive, because its much bigger compared to any other decorative building entrance
What the hell did they do with Whitemane? All the fucking needed to do was pull her design from goddamn HotS!
>>747553532>>747553328Making fitting art for 2D is easier.
you people actually defend this shit? i have blizzard marketer thread fatigue
>>747557663They did it for 90%. Her model looks like she was ripped straight from HotS. But human women aren't allowed to show thighs any more in western games.
>>747541768>Why didn't they just make WC4? I have no fucking idea.New RTS is to much to ask for Blizzard hollow shell Activision is wearing
>>747540805>3 extremely ugly gameswow
>>747552382top is the HD version...right?
>>747557191Is the "old graphics" version just the "new graphics" version but with lower res textures?
>>747557793They're causing more problems with this kind of censorship. They should have just gone with her original outfit , the HotS outfit etc. Just like Alexstrasza, it was one of the better versions in terms of attractive design.
>>747557793>But human women aren't allowed to show thighs any more in western games.HotS team was GOATed.
>>747557909Honestly, I don't know what the purpose is. Whitemane gets pants but the sorceress next to her is floating around in stockings.It seems very inconsistent. Whitemane pants were first introduced in Hearthstone iirc so Blizzard could keep the lowest age rating in China. I don't think that's a major concern for WC3.>>747557972The game was too good for this world.
>>747557909>They're causing more problems with this kind of censorship.No they fucking aren't. It's been proven you cultists will buy the games anyway.
>>747557909>causing more problemsIs it though?The only people complaining are those who remember vanilla WoW or played Hearthstone. A demographic in their 30s and 40s. People who don't have nearly as much time to play and pay Blizzard.Meanwhile zoomers don't care, have time and money to spend.
>>747558258>HearthstoneFuckI mean heroes of the storm.
>>747548165I can sort of understand Blizzard's position, realizing that female ogres would undoubtedly be THE least played race / sex combination in WoW history - by a significant margin. No one wants to play that. Men would obviously pick male ogres, and women wouldn't touch female ogres with a mile-long pole. The work that would have gone into rigging, modeling, texturing, and animating half the race would have been entirely wasted. More or less flushing money down the drain.That said, I do not fucking understand why they gave both factions high elves in all but name, but painted them blue. It's even optional that they're blue. Why? Why are they blue?
>>747553990ywnbaw
>>747557642>Phalangite don't count I presume?Eh, I'd honestly say they don't since they're single player only but I can understand why you'd reject that. I honestly think though that they still don't look as bad as the lances in AOE4. The sarissa is comically large, of course, but it's still proportionate to the unit and faithful to its real life counterpart.>I expected you to say the wall gate to be the most offensiveWell I was only talking about units. To be honest I wasn't even sure if it's necessarily large, one big problem with AOE4 is that the way that the camera works makes anything that stands on a hill look fucking huge, as though you were staring through a fish-eye lens. Building design is shit as well, yeah. I remember building the Order of the Dragon wonder for the first time and it looked like a fucking w3 perched on a stage, in front of an expensive b&b. All the villagers went to sleep afterwards (because ofc you need ZZZs to tell if they're idle) and I completely understood their reaction.
>>747558332>female ogreswhy would there be female ogres
>can't even use the definitive edition graphics on both reigh of chaos and frozen thronewhat's the point of this update then? scam people for more money again?
>>747548165>body diversityNigga that's so mid 2010s. Nobody gives a shit about fat is beautiful any more.Zoomers spend more money on cosmetic surgery than anyone before them.>>747558534But you can?
>>747558258>>747558307>zoomers aren't mentally capable of looking up the HotS model>even if they're capable, they're too mentally castrated to get upsetYou'd be surprised how wrong you are. Most zoomers aren't that mentally ill.Man, imagine if male character design at blizzard was as anal as female character design.>WHY ISN'T HE WEARING ANY SHIRT?!? COVER THOSE SLUTTY PECS UP!! MISANDRY!!But when you look at Diablo4 skins, there's plenty of skin and thigh showing, so this means that the Warcraft3 team needs help from the HotS team.
>>747558714you can't
>>747555765Even if you believe that, the fact of the matter is the playerbase didn't migrate from 2.
>>747558839I never implied they're mentally ill. I implied that they simply don't care.
>>747553403Either compression to make the video fit or whatever codec settings he uses caused that.
>>747558332>and women wouldn't touch female ogres with a mile-long poleIt would be the female kul'tiran all over again.>Lizzo? Oh she's a 10/10, very attractive woman, any man would be lucky to be with her.>What do you fucking mean i look like Lizzo? I'll fucking kill you!
>>747558953I didn't say its better
>>747559004>I implied that they simply don't care.If you don't care about being treated like idiots then you're mentally ill by definition.
>>747559213what's the pic from
>>747559386Titanic.
>>747557663Because western society is going through another phase of being prudes. The 90s and 2000s were too based so we're getting covered women until the next big war shatters all boundaries again. Can't be helped.
>>747559386You already know, given how you're pretending so hard to gloss over censorship. You really really really do not have the luxury of censoring whatever your female overlords at blizzard find uncomfortable because it triggers their sexual insecurities. Pretending to be an impartial, uninterested, ignorant passer by would work better if we weren't in a blizzard thread on the video game section of the only board out there which isn't totally pozzed with censorship.
>>747559181That's not really the point I was making, the idea is it's easier to get W3 players to buy a new expansion than to make a W4 and try to sell it to them.
>>747558430>if it's necessarily largeno it might even be more properly sized than AoE2 walls compared to units, but compared to every other building its massive. A single wall piece is as big a tower, especially the castle with its tiny moat looks ridiculous in comparison.What bothers me more with the character design is that the spears look like white toothpicks. Also the bows have that glow. My guess is they made the weapons glow for readability. The yellow aura just adds to the visual mess, but how else do you visualize units being affected by a buff. I get why people don't like 4s style but I don't think its really that bad overall. 3D rts always have a problem with balancing scale and readability..
>>747559541lol nigga I'm not the anon you were arguing with, I was just curious about the image. should have said "nta" I guessI'm still not clear on it, is it wow?
>>747559213Have you considered that maybe this is what they want?This is the generation that complained about too much sex & romance in movies and demanded more platonic relationships between men and women.
>>747547384>The bad part is that horde also gets elves again, which is a tragedy for them.Unfortunately in this case it's a necessity, for the same reason Blood Elves were assigned to the Horde in the first place - because on Asian servers NOBODY played Horde.Japanese, Koreans, Chinese etc. refuse to play anyone who isn't "anime pretty."
Look how they massacred my boy...
wew
>>747559708Sylvanasfags will defend this.
>>747559446>western society is going through another phase of being prudesWomen think that society can return to them flashing ankles and getting men to bend over backwards again but they don't remember that back then women weren't getting jobs or their own money. Most of the damage is being done by useful idiots with dicks though, because they're desperate to get the feminist brownies and pats on the head. As usual, the eternal thinking with your dick meme about men is reinforced while they chastise others for looking at female shaped pixels in video games. The irony goes unnoticed.>>747559658Blizzard went on a censorship spree back when some feminists successfully attempted a takeover of the studio by lying through their teeth about alleged improper behavior and sexual harassment of women. Every time something came up, either an Overwatch character got suddenly revealed as being homosexual or another painting in WoW got censored to combat the wrong thing in Blizzard's eternal war against terro- sorry, Blizzard's eternal war against sexism.
>>747559675>This is the generation that complained about too much sex & romance in movies and demanded more platonic relationships between men and women.Never happened. picrel is how you bamboozle the faint of heart and the herd minded. This is basic crowd control via media, you learn about it in journalism 101 if you didn't go to a shitty university.
>>747541768Because that would take actual effort and this DLC has basically no RTS missions, just that shit "control a couple of character and move across the map" levels.
>>747548428>>747548724This will forever be funny to me. Whitemane got popular solely because she was hot, censoring her is basically killing her reason for existence. You can give Sylvanas armor and it's disappointing but whatever, she was an established important lore figure before that, hate her or love her. Whitemane IS her thighs. She was an ass random dungeon boss that got memed for her sex appeal, that's all she is, that's all she will ever be. Most people don't even know she is a death knight in retail now, nobody cares.
>>747559708>head so big she just sewed it on wholesaleI see what they did there.
>>747541768>>747559950They are almost no people in the industry left that know how to make an RTS, probably even less at blizzard. You won't find a lot of youtube tutorials or UE5 blueprints either.RTS games being a risk is only half of the issue that we don't get new games, only remasters.
>>747559796>upside-down Y shaped belly buttonObese landwhale.
>>747560189So you believe that RTS is technically complex thing to create and people in the past just for some reason wanted to make something that was difficult to create and not the OTHER WAY AROUND?...... it's just a matter of trends and motivation to actually make one.
>>747558031Exactly. Anyone who knows what she looked like previously is going to see the change that they painted pants onto her badly. >>747558075Is that why they're losing players consistently over the last decade and are now owned/managed by a company who's just culling people left and right? In any event, its causing needless negative PR at a time when they really can't afford it. They are becoming increasingly dependent on the "cultists" who will pay for anything but like we've seen with every fucking Korean item mall shitfuckery and later gacha, the more you depend on whales, the more you drive away everyone else, and when the whales quit, you have nothingg and no one else. Censorship is never beneficial especially if you're depending on 30+ long term players who remember the old days, to keep playing >>747558258All it takes is a couple of those 40 year old players to showcase the comparison, and it then becomes a bunch of shit to argue over, culture war nonsense and more. Also its the 30-40 year old player who keep playing and have the money to devote to a subscription as well as good memories that keep them giving the game a chance. Some zoomers may be puritanical faggots, others will oppose it on principle, and still others will do so because their culture war personality starter kit tells them to do so, etc.. so it varies. However many of them are not likely to be the consistent players with a massive connection to Warcraft much less WoW , their time is spread over a fuckload of games all trying to be THE ONE, and if their money goes to gacha and other predatory garbage they can fuck right off; that's half the reason WoW selling housing item premium currency. In any event, censorship always makes your game worse and creates an avoidable PR incident. The Great Censorship patch of 2021 with the fruit-not-women painting, no harem, no directed emote, and the rest of BFA / Shadowlands didnt' lead to massive success
>>747560034>Whitemane IS her thighsNever forget VanCleef's daughter. Cataclysm was before the enshittification of blizzard.
>>747542045>>unfucked the artstylethey turned it into wow, it's still fucked>>New campaign like rexxarsit will be written by the retards writing wow, why should anyone care
>>747559796>>747559708feels like heroes of the storm guy made these
>>747552490AoE2 DE is extremely fucking ugly and completely butchers the original game. anyone who likes it should be killed
>>747560410>their culture war personality starter kithehI like that phrase.
>>747560414Why the fuck would anyone wear something like that? It's just cringe. Try it yourself and how impractical and stupid it is.
>>747559638A single wall piece is as big a tower, especially the castle with its tiny moat looks ridiculous in comparison.Oh yeah definitely. For me though the problem was always the texture of anything. In aoe2 everything is so rugged and all the same crisp, whereas in 4 everything is soft plastic and clay.>that the spears look like white toothpicksOr matches, yeah. I say matches because everything is also blocky, perhaps also to increase readability. I think that nobody knows how to fucking design and implement terrain that looks nice, so they have to make everything stupidly colorful and give them weird distinctive shapes to stand out.>but how else do you visualize units being affected by a buffI mean, have the aura be a circle at the feet of the unit, like W3.>3D rts always have a problem with balancing scale and readability..I hate that excuse. Lol and Dota I think also look like shit but they're perfectly readable. HoN I think is the best looking one, it's a beautiful game.>inb4 not an RTSsame principles apply.
>>7475417681000% easier and safer to make an expansion to a game that already exists. It also gauges whether or not there's any interest in WC as an RTS going forward. You should already know this, anon
genuinely who the fuck is the audience for thisI appreciate that they're making new content for the old games, I much prefer that to new games that will 100% be shit. but they're talentless hacks and the new content won't be that good anyway, and people like me will keep hating them because they're also butchering the game with other changesnew players who haven't played WC3 for being old still won't play WC3 because despite the "modernization" it's still an old ass gamewho is this for
>>747543459They should just make an expansion that retells the story of WoW from vanilla to Wrath of the Lich King. Then you'd be able to experience the entire Arthas story as a RTS only. No WoW expansions after that matter, so you can diverge the story from there.
>>747560938>genuinely who the fuck is the audience for thisWoW niggers
>>747548792I think the saturation is too high and things look 15-20% too cartoony in comparison to original. Maybe better shading would help
>>747557972I wish it was made in the HotS artstyle.
>>747540805It's sad. I wish I didn't love Warcraft 1, 2 and 3 so much.I did my part and stopped giving blizzard money after Wings of Liberty, but I can't make myself not care.
>>747540805reforged (old) looks better
>>747541768If they make Wc4, then the wc3 people will just keep playing wc3.With expansions they can rope in new people and old people
>>747560885>It also gauges whether or not there's any interest in WC as an RTS going forwardThen they better do the neediful and make Sally Thighmane's thighs naked again, huh?
>>747561038Orfea is so cute.
>>747541059>PayGames are free, anon. You can just download them from the internet. You only need to play for multiplayer and even that is sometimes not necessary.
>>747551430In the Forever canon, I don't see why not. But he's taking a nap at that point and likely won't be personally relevant until years in the future. They'll probably milk him for all his worth wherever they can, in a similar way to him talking in vanilla Naxxramas
>>747560702Nobody cares about the realistic aspect of it you gaylord. It is people like you who have killed any and all fantastical expressions because "It isn't le realistic".
>>747540805Who at blizzard thought anybody wanted MORE sylvanas after hyperfixating on her for like three expansions killed the MMO??
>>747540805reforged looks better thoughbeit
>>747561412I like that they actually took seriously the suggestions people gave here and in other places online, of actually wiping clean WoW's history and starting over. This should probably happen every 10-15 or even 20 years if blizzard survives the century. You never know.
>>747540805>Played WC3 fairly regularly for 18 years until Reforged came out>Watch esports on the WC3 Reforged graphics>Could not tell what the fuck is going on>Watched the matches at Blizzcon yesterday with the graphics>Could easily follow the match>Mentally didn't even register that I'm looking at new graphicsNow all we need is the ability to uninstall the horrible Refunded graphics to reduces some of this insane filesize bloat.
>>747557106So does this take place after TFT?
>>747561452So why do they even wear clothes? Why doesn't everyone in the game just use laser guns and flying cars? It's not like the game needs to be believable in its own setting. It just ruins the fantasy hurdur.
Its really funny seeing them fuck up the enviroment art over and over again because whomever they put in charge of remaking those (im assuming outsourced indians) doesent understand tiles and that the ground in WC3 is essentially just colorful diamond squares and that its VERY important to sell the illusion especially with higher fidelity modelsHonestly if they were smart they should just redo the way enviroment works to use brushes or something instead of tiles but that would require blizz to put in more work than new models/textures which they seem to still not get right.
>>747561486The big concern is that there is little reason to think modern Blizzard won't write absolute shit, because a retconned timeline doesn't make their writing suddenly good. But maybe they have some other people on it, or maybe they'll write better stuff now that they don't have to make so much shit up, but I'm not really optimistic
>>747561660Because that's what the audience wants, and the product has to sell. Ignoring sex appeal just because a handful of homos and women cry about it is bad business. Who do you think plays video games with half naked elves? Church goers and feminists? Warcraft designs have always been this, you seem to be in the wrong place if you want anything different.
>>747561660Yeah, because laser guns and flying cars is exactly the same as someone wearing impractical armor.>Have a monk that wears no armor because his muscles are like hardened steel>"uhm ackshually, iron would cut through muscles with ease so we can't have this type of design, it is unrealistic"People like you stifle imagination because you force it to be limited to reality. Kill yourself asap.
>>747561830God, I wish human females were real...
>>747560702>Why the fuck would anyone wear something like that?mobility and speed
>>747561830In the end the "audience" wants to purchase jpegs from mobile store and jack off so why even bother making a game if money really is the ultimate reasoning tool.
>>747560885It's such a shitty way to do it. It's half the price of a new game and from what I've heard there's barely any RTS elements it really is just some custom campaign.
>>747560702The same reason why niggers keep buying Nike shoes. They like it?
>>747561890#metoo
>>747561914Having no pants and socks that long don't increase your mobility. The socks don't stay up unless you tighten them so much they RESTRICT your mobility and bloodflow. And having your asscheeks clap and upper legs exposing skin to dirt, grass and other surfaces further RESTRICTS you mobility.
>>747560363You do realize that part of the reason there are so many pixel style metroidvania or rougelite or even UE survival action games is because they are basically just copied homework.RTS create higher expectation because it will always compared to its peak in the 2000s, the same reason we don't see a ton of indie GTA games popping up.and yes they are more complex than many other genres.
>>747561983>In the end the "audience" wants to purchase jpegs from mobile store and jack off so why even bother making a game if money really is the ultimate reasoning tool.You won't win friends over by calling people idiots over and over. I don't even know what your problem is anymore. You seem bend on a crusade against something really evil but this is a video game board. Best of luck with your vengeance quest, Batman. I'll be here playing games with half naked elves.
>>747562189>3rd person open world games are just too complex to programYou read too much into some big corpo mumbo jumbo.
>>747562213The point isn't to make friends. The point is to call people for what they are.
>>747562168>when women sexy, apply ultra-super-duper-realizm>when women don't make sense, apply ultra-super-duper-fantasy-suspension-of-disbeliefThe schrodinger's female character. She is unrealistic to the point where she's as strong as a man, but realistic so she doesn't show any skin, and we call that "modern audience" gaming.
>>747562318>The point is to call people for what they are.Yes, a crusade. Go on now, do your crusading, just remember that you're gonna get called out for being a melodramatic twat.
>>747562168then explain how it works for them? rogues are clearly more skilled in the arts of acrobatics than your neckbeard ass
>>747562168>MUH REALISMGames do not have to adhere to our reality's physics. We do not have to construct toilets in every home, nor design characters with a proper bladder system.We also don't need to have a long winded tirade about how the politics, logistics, or energy production works. I don't care how Stratholme procures materials to develop itself, nor am I interested in their social politics or pension system. If they seemingly conjure materials out of the ground I literally do not care because it isn't relevant.
>>747562330>still using the word realismThe word you should focus is believability which has been downhill ever since they started having clowns as their main villains in Wow.
>>747560798>same principlesnah, the issue with readability is that you have a hundred units on screen squished together.MOBAs are very colorful blizzard style graphics. Let alone that this doesn't work for a realistic historical or modern warfare setting.
>>747562468If you want believability, there would be zero female soldiers.
>>747556187That's different. Feet wearing sexy high heels are hot, feet on their own are not.
>>747562517How many female soldiers are there in Warcraft 3? They're employed as caster and healers, and Orc has ZERO females. Night elves have different lore where females employ the warrior role and men are druids/magic.
>>747540805>remastering the remasterThis company is so fucked
>>747562620It is so believable that one peasant can build an entire barracks in less than a day. Also super believable that you can train battle ready soldiers in a matter of seconds>b-b-but that doesn't count!Because you are selective in your hunt for "believability"
>>747562620I've never seen a post which btfo's itself in the 2nd half like that.>p-please don't mention night elf warriors because my argument falls apart
>>747540805i boughted because it comes with the new wow. it's ok so far
>>747562782Timescale is not equivalent to irl like in any game because of gameplay reasons.Just accept it that believability is important even in a fantasy setting because that is what keeps things coherent. In Wow like every woke thing is just consequences of this cohesion being broken piece by piece. You giving a pass for some of these just because it signals your dick to release happy hormones because it think it is seeing valid target for breeding through colorful pixels is no excuse for letting that to keep ruining art.
>>747562901I'm sorry but I don't have the post in form of a Tiktok dance.
>>747553098Oh, it's actually 2D? I guess they really don't have any artists left at Blizzard
>>747540805I'm not sure if I prefer the newer graphics but at least it's not an obvious brutal downgrade like old reforged. The very fact of modern developers understanding what an artstyle is is significant
>>747562989blizzard games has always had hot babes since inception you retarded fag. it's perfectly consistent with the basic male appeal package that is warcraft>sexy women>warfare>heroism>colorful loreWarcraft is not a realism IP, it's not about logistics or realistic armor design or elaborate magic systems or marxist class politics or whatever the fuck you're looking for, and neither is it for miserable shrews, the HIV parade or normalfags. in a comic book, which warcraft bases its entire aesthetic around, you can have hot women in combat, because we like hot women.
>>747562989>Just accept it that believability is important even in a fantasy setting because that is what keeps things coherent.And skimpy armor does not break that. Just like a monk being able to shrug off bladed weapons with his muscles don't either. You clearly have other reasons for not liking skimpy armor which has nothing to do with believability, just stop beating around the bush.
>>747563034You have a kneejerk reaction against half naked women in entertainment, that's as little as has to be surmised from your posts to understand you 100%. You don't have nearly the same fear of half naked men for some reason, and you have to backtrack and explain this magical pixy female character which takes from the feminist buffet of "strong woman" without giving anything back to the audience which has to bankroll this onanist solipsistic feminist fantasy. That's where your whole plan falls apart, because market forces aren't feminist, because the audience is mostly male, and male feminists aren't that many.Anime and gacha and korea/chinese games are chock full of "strong women" and they deliver that feminist fantasy while also delivering something the male audience is interested in, aka the female character crafted for the "male gaze". Life is give and take. You haven't learned that yet.
>>747548746Didn't he get mobilized
>>747563263Can't you see that I didn't use the word realism even once.You people see footmen, you think they're cool. See half of footmen being replaced by niggers and women, not cool to you. But what if those women were showing naked skin, now suddenly you're fine with the setting being raped. Same with niggers. Make the nigger show skin and now you're cool with it. Shit's fucked up.
>>747551719lol of course not. blizzard are retarded after all.
>>747563436by the laws of rule of cool, women can be soldiers if they're hot femme fatales in a dex role. this is not turning footmen into a HR department, you have no clue what's actually cool or not so you're trying to understand this issue like an alien observing human culture and thinking youre making any gotcha's.
>>747562275how many smarties did you munch to pull that out of my post.Do you think those survival slop creators make their own pathfinding algorithms for NPC characters, create day night cycle shaders and so on?I said its easy because its plug-in development
>>747563327>nah you don't get it gamers are men>and men like naked women so this is ok add them>mentions feminism every sentenceYou aren't making any point in favor of the actual game and it's setting besides "this cheap tactic works for sales so it should be used".
>>747540805Am I supposed to pretend the middle looks better than the bottom? I mean, I guess it still looks "better" than the top one, but bottom oveall looks best aesthetically
>>747563607I wouldn't care if it was accurately displayed like a 1 in a 100 and she is accurately portrayed as an exception not normalized. Star Ship Troopers did it just fine.The last 10 years was filled with dexterous bow ladies (more or less attractive ones). Ironically sexist in a way
never liked warcraft 3, the unit production is slow as fuck, the maps all feel small, the gold mines run out super fast and i hate how you cant make much units, i want a huge army in my rts game damnit
>>747563692Now post some of her skins.
>Go buy yet another skinFuck no. Make it free for everyone that owns vanilla or Retrash or fuck off.
>>747562901yjk
>>747563939It is free for owners of Reforged. The campaign is what you have to buy.
>>747563607The rule of cool in this case is literally just having those happy hormones from seeing certain patterns that were preprogrammed into your brain in order to make you multiply like EVERY OTHER FUCKING ANIMAL SO THAT THE ORGANISM WOULDN'T FUCKING DIE OFF which makes it really really really powerful effect and can be used to sell you pretty much anything from products to ideas when taken advantage of AND you even defend this sort of practices like a stupid animal you are.It's like someone cast a spell on you even though they say magic isn't real but when you don't understand the mechanics behind somethng it might as well be.
>have to pay blizzard to fix their mistake????Kill yourself
>There are actually people here who liked TFT campaignlel it was trash. RoC is waaaay better.
>>747563919>now post the things that are being sold to me by the power of sex>this will surely help my point
>>747564064RoC is a top 3 of all time story campaign in vidya but that doesn't mean TFT is bad, it's certainly better than anything Blizzard made since
>>747563692>>nah you don't get it gamers are men>>and men like naked women so this is ok add themAt least you score high on reading comprehension. >You aren't making any point in favor of the actual gameI'm copy pasting what worked in the past to make blizzard into a billion dollar juggernaut. >besides "this cheap tactic works for sales so it should be used".You're revealing that you don't care about the game's success, so you're saying that you have no actual interest in the game, which makes me think that you're only interested in your self satisfaction regardless of how much burns around you. Why should anyone in this thread listen to anything you have to say, as long as your stance is >i don't care if this made the game more popular, remove itYou are so single minded that nothing can sway you, that's why i called you a crusading loon. You have the fervor of a zealot who will stop at nothing and keep going regardless of consequences, the ends justify the means type of loon. Also good job on realizing the pic i posted was shopped. Now try posting the original on this one.
>>747540805Why can't these fucks just decomp their shit and port it to unreal engine or their own new engine? Even the timmys and the ranjeesh in github are doing it.
So how's the new campaign like?
>>747564186>sex sellsMake a new argument or you don't get any more replies because I'm here to talk about the believability and quality of art in games, and not to defend company profits and greed while posting pictures that do not even exist or aren't accessible through normal consumption of the product.
>>747563998It's not free for the original campaigns
>>747564064Actually TFT was way better then roc, except for the vlood elf campaign, its sucked and felt unfinished af. And orc campaign which was not even a campaign but pile of doodooMy rating is basically Roc Hu 8/10Roc Ud 7/10Roc Orc 6/10Roc Ne 5/10TfT Ne 9/10TFT Hu 5/10TfT Ud 7/10TfT Orc 4/10
>>747564186>what worked in the past to make blizzard into a billion dollar juggernaut.An MMO that released at just the right time, where RS and EQ started declining.That's it. That's all there is to it.
>>747564001wow sex appeal is based on biology just like a sense of beauty and an appreciation of heroism and conflict very intelligent mr redditor
>>747564376It's not available for the original campaigns at all.
>>747564442Animals don't have concept for beauty and heroism, they are more sophisticated concepts that go beyond just something as basic as making new spawns.
>>747564372>Make a new argument or you don't get any more repliesOh no, don't threaten me with winning the argument defacto.>posting pictures that do not even existIs this you admitting you haven't played the game you're so mightily policing? >or aren't accessible through normal consumption of the productYou should scroll up and see that you're wrong.Tell me, what do you think of picrel? Tell me about the times when that fictional character scraped her butt, as you so quickly fantasized about earlier when crying about unrealistic designs. How does the picture make you feel? Is your blood pressure going up? Real people are playing Diablo4 right now and they're looking at a half naked female character. What do you think? Shouldn't you go away and crusade in the Diablo4 thread for a bit and spare us your lunacy?
>>747564428>That's it. That's all there is to it.Your next trick will be to say that Warcraft3 was an RTS that released at just the right time, where C&C and AoE started declining.
>>747564451When it becomes available it still won't be free. You get a prompt when you first go into the campaign menu on which graphics to use and it says you have to buy forsaken kingdom to use it.
>>747564590Animals do have a concept for beauty (anything which supports life, like lush valleys) and heroism (in the case of social animals, because a hero is essentially a pack leader). You're just against eroticism in entertainment because you're some sort of /pol/tard who thinks it's a crime against "believability" that a fantasy realm has woman warriors, even if actual human religion also has had woman warriors (valkyries)
TFT started the whole yass queen Sylvanas shit. For that alone it deserves to be buried in a shallow grave.
>>747548261He's Dutch but one of his parents is Indonesian which fully makes sense. He's not a freak but just kinda looks a bit off
>>747564618I think they are contributing to the death of art and creativity by spending their time in a skinnerbox that attempts to make itself look more serious by having adult themes from grimdark setting to a lot of numbers that you can go make up and then adding a cherry on top.
Well, the new campaign is pretty good so far desu. I hope we'll get one for the Night Elves and how Teldrassil was made, involving Fandral. Since they want to tie it in with Classic.
>>747564810Animal doesn't choose a lush valley because "it looked beautiful". It's because it supported its survival. Same for heroism. They do not have the ability to process abstract concepts. The same survival instinct your dick launches without any second thought when you see certain shapes. You didn't need to think and ponder what is beautiful or whatever. It just fucking happens like on an animal.
Evil can never create but only corrupt
>>747565137beauty is not something you ponder over, it strikes you wordlessly like a bomb.
>>747564905>the death of art and creativityOh the humanity. It's so good to have noble souls like you around, otherwise these plebs wouldn't know what to do with their miserable existences. Thank you Mr. Nofunpolice for reminding everybody about the straight and narrow. Do you hear the calling of another village of idiots in need of saving perhaps? Please make sure everybody is safe and their minds are virginal, chaste and filled with piety and revulsion against sin and the devil as well. This reminds me, how do you feel about them playing a video game which is called "Diablo"? Tell me your wisdom so that all lurkers in the thread may know what to do next for themselves and those around them. Preach, Father.
>>747562671You're getting the remaster for free if you already have purchased reforged, you're just not getting the campaign
>>747541768WC4 would be dogshit and WC3 is one of the best games ever made.
>>747549207Kill yourself
>>747540805The game runs worse on a 5090 than refunded wasOffline is gone and the game is as fucked as nfs2015The new models are censored garbage with zero Blacks and cranked up contrast, fucking whitemane and nelf huntesses are wearing pants.And the mongoloids at HIVE, ARE COPING THAT THEY WERE FOOLED BY BLIZZARD AGAIN...
>>747546419Microsoft will shut down blizzard before 2030.Get fucked intern.
>>747565292Bro I don't give a shit about saving others, because I can't. It's their choices, their lives. What I am talking about is decline in art.And didn't I just tell you how I feel about Diablo? At first it was cool and new, but I can't believe that they turned it into an excuse for a skinnerbox. It is more important to keep people boxed up in a number go up simulator than create something new and meaningful. They just announced new Diablo. What's going to change? Nothing. It's just the same thing again. Give us money, and earn your dopamine hit from watching these numbers go up while you waste away your time clicking.
>Forsaken shitNo thanks
>>747554104>screenshot from 5 years agoLMAO totally mindbroken
>try new campaign>Unit portraits just move their lips when talking>barely any expressionsOld wc3 portraits were a lot more emotive
>>747565284Sounds more like you're incapable of processing anything deeper than a puddle.
>>747565905>What I am talking about is decline in art.You don't give a flying rat about decline in art, otherwise you wouldn't be against freedom of expression.>And didn't I just tell you how I feel about Diablo?Do you believe people should be free to smoke and drink sugary drinks or unhealthy food? I see you're trying to paint these video games as some sort of opium but the underlying logic is a wee bit more worrying because useful idiots are their own worst enemies.
>>747565787>Offline is gone.What.
>>747566058>say you don't like video games used as a platform to sell addictions and copes>ok anon so do you also believe people should be free to smoke and drinkI don't understand.
>>747565994we can't all be enlightened by our intelligence like you
>>747553532Lol, they fired the hive people, and will hire others again.
>>747551910I don't like the grass, it looks like crayons or shitty rags, and the trees are slightly off but it has a good visual clarity to itthe rest looks fine to me>>747552382it really feels so flat with those shitty terrains, if anyone can photoshop/ai it with the og terrain I bet it'll look fine
>>747566094Yes, The Game HAS TO BE ONLINE 24/7 TO WORK.Also LAN, w3c as other shit are gone, it is nfs2015 all over again...
>>747549251did you see the females at the cosplay contest nigga? they were closer to the ogre ideal than the elf.
>>747566183Your argument is paternalistic control of society, don't hide behind video games. When are we doing the hitler salute, friend? inb4 you call me a happy merchant. This escalated very quickly, no?>I don't understand.Oh you're not that dumb, you've shown so far that you can run in circles very fast. Now answer the question because the running is coming to an end. Should people be free to engage in behaviors that may be harmful? It's a yes or no question. I'm gonna see if you're an useful idiot or just larping.
>>747566345>it is nfs2015 all over again...you mean its just reforged all over again. Oh well maybe they can try again in 6 years.
>>747540805or I could not pay them again and play the original insteadhow about that
>>747552490https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ4TMdIYadcAOE 2 DE Huuuuge amount of effort.
>>747541768I was expecting D4 new dlc and WC4 but they did a 180 on this, lol.
to be real the first reforged version would have been much better if they figured out lightingand the second one looks... alright, but lacking in gritand does anyone else think they kind of went the warcraft 2 look with the definitive edition
>>747566413Reforged still had a offline mode, the game needs go be online to work like fucking retoilet wow clients, plus... the entire fucking thing is done on top of chromium code...>>747566513Wololo threads were the best shit here at /v/ this year, even the fucking mods joined in.
>AoEAnother dead game
>>747564427The TFT NE campaign had too many gimmicks in it. Sure, it's fun to play with the naga and whatnot as such, but they should have been properly fleshed out as a mini-campaign instead of dumped on the player as part of something else. RoC is consistently good, whereas TFT has too many ups and downs
>>747566669The first game? Yes
>>747566396It is better for the rest to have means to nurture and keep the problematic people out of the way BUT these unhealthy copes should not be praised. There are campaigns, ads and articles warning you on the effects of alcohol and smoking for example. But for video games?
>>747541306why are you always trying to keep the Whitemane down?
>>747552490It's good but way too many noname shitskin "civilisations" are getting the spotlight. Jeets for example get 4+, chinks 5+ civs, actual great powers 1 or less
>>747566752>these unhealthy copes should not be praised>There are campaigns, ads and articles warning you on the effects of alcohol and smoking for example. But for video games?Rating agencies exist for that reason and video games are rated based on highly strict regulations, otherwise video game makers wouldn't be deathly afraid of the M rating. What you're suggesting already exists.Regardless, you've avoided the question, so my guess is you're pro societal wide control and restrictions, full blown nanny state aka an useful idiot for whomever put the idea in your head that you're not gonna be under that same boot everybody will be, or that you're gonna have privileged positions. Okay, we're done here. You can go on spouting your fascist/commie control freak vomit. Just remember, psychopaths can pretend to be virtuous longer than you can, Mr. Virtue signal.
>>747552617ugh, you're like one of those chuds that cares about "film grain"grit is for poor people. this is why you're a virgin
>>747553098Boring
>>747547107>reforged graphics 1/10>defined edition graphics 6/10, it's good>classic graphics 10/10he also mentioned he was gonna play multiplayer with defined edition graphics for at least a week to properly make up his mind on them
>>747565284not necessarily there is some kind of beauty that grips your attention mildly and then gets more beautiful the longer you examine it
>>747549207Tru king
>>7475531800, unless you're a loser virgin. then probably 40.
>>747567160>politicsBurgers just can't think for themselves. And no. I wasn't talking about age ratings. The tobacco package literally has pictures of lung cancer and says you get cancer and it's forced by the law to have the package use "unattractive colors".
>>747552490>far more responsive>constant updates and fixes>new content and DLC>active competitive scene >decent balance between QoL and skill depthmy only issue with AoE2 DE is the new group pathing, supposedly meant to avoid pro players abusing old mechanics with the old group pathing
>>747560702You're the exact same type of person that ruined DDA
>>747556874Sex
>>747565961>hasn't stopped raiding /v/ once for 5 years straight>calling others mindbroken
>>747553180Pretty sure the campaigns are like 16-22 hours each, depending on how fast/good you are. For playing against bots, it all depends on how much you enjoy the game
>Reforged is always online now.I swear that the game had an offline mode before.Why do I need to be online if I want to play a singleplayer campaign?
>>747559796Sexo
>>747568435are you ever offline though?
>>747568435Reforged never did. The base wc3 does
>>747568496No, but Blizzard servers usually leave a lot to be desired. And the minute their servers go down, my singleplayer game gets fucked.
>>747568496I thought a remaster or remake was supposed to be an improvement, not a step down
wait so is blizzard not lame and gay anymore? Are they that desperate for money they're throwing away their whole DEI initiative?
Genuine and unironic paid shilling across 4 threads rn. And none of it is working. Deforged has to be the biggest failure in history, if we had charts like for steam it would have worse numbers than marathon I reckon
>>747566513AoE2 is so incredibly based. I can't believe there hasn't been another RTS like it despite it doing such great numbers.
>>747561038They can't make games like this anymore. They don't have the technology.
>we tried to fuck you over but..lets try again we are sorryfuck off shill
>>747568496very rarely but sometimes happens
>>747561024Yes, it lost gritty
Garithos is now a zombie retardhttps://youtu.be/dKKj3DmaXNQ
>>747569276He's become a metaphor for the entire Warcraft franchise!
>>747569276Well I always suspected he was a zombie, I just wonder what took them so long?
>you can't even use forasaken paladin with Undead because he can't heal them
>>747547384tits too small
>>747569457>racist undead paladin that hates his own kind and himselfDare I say it...based...?
>>747568950They're not throwing it away, but they've realized that sex does indeed sell, so now it's a little bit of both. They'll make the occasional sexy character or skin, while still trying to appease the DEI crowd in other ways. They're still lame and gay, and can't write a story to save their lives, but they've clawed their way out of the dumpster fire and is now living in the trashcan instead
>>747568950>>747569535The real reason fatty acceptance has dropped is because of the new wonder drug that controls hunger. Since most people think pigs and whales are repulsive by default it just naturally results in a decrease in ugliness.
>>747568950>is blizzard not lame and gay anymore?LMAO
>ForsakenEwww, the cancer that ruined everything undead related
>>747569653>as soon as it became easy to drop weight, the entire fat-positivity movement died overnightHow curious
>>747540805>>747541465>Whitemane thighs coveredWHAT THE FUCK IS THIS FUCKING BULLSHITI THOUGHT WOKE WAS DEADARGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>747569816I'm still waiting for the unknown Ozempic side effects to kick in a couple years from now. Like how everyone thought Thalidomide was okay until it definitely wasn't okay.
>>747540805>dryad goes from shredded to a sticcdamn
>>747548720if you're getting filtered by butcher players, you don't deserve to play
>>747546419All of the AoE games and new content seemed to be well received and selling well. They even brought back the cancelled AoE3 DLC. I think they are starting to learn that live service game are retarded and to just make things that can be one and done.It's no longer about player retention, it's letting people actually leave the park.
>>747569952Hasn't it already kicked in, what with Ozempic face and all that? Not that women weren't already ruining their faces with duck lips and whatever the fuck else, so I guess nothing new under the sun
>>747553945if you can see it from the front than its BIG
>>747546419WC4 absolutely has to ignore WoW continuity and just start from where TFT left off.Obviously Blizzard can still find a way to fuck it up even with a fresh start, but trying to integrate WoW lore is a non-starter.
>>747569896Grow up
>>747556459its in public beta for a reason, for you to test it for free :)
I booted up WC3R and it won't let me play RoC with definitive graphics?What the shit?
>>747557106oh great, so we canonically defeated naxxramas 3 times.... so fucking retarded
>>747570957yeah the update is so half-assed you can only play the new campaign with the new graphics. old campaigns are OG graphics or SEAslop
Should I get this or wait until sale?
>>747571006I genuinely can't believe this, it's a bug or something right?They wouldn't just sell a graphics update and not actually let you use it right?
>>747560702>fantasy setting with space goats, demons and shitthe lingerie is what bothers you troon ?
>>747552382microsoft should just kill "blizzard"
>>747560702Warcraft has always had goofy fashion, it's not a practical setting.
>>747571085hahahahahathis your first modern blizzard release or something? oh they'll eventually update the OG campaigns too... and charge you another 30 dollars for the privilege
>>747552382Genuinely where are the frames going? Is it the trees? Would be interesting if someone experimented with custom maps.
>>747571029Go play classic WC3, either from one of the many installers online, or the Legacy version on Battle.net. Don't waste your money on this garbage
>>747552382oh no "only" 140 fps... literally unplayable... do xivvies really?
>>747569896its joever
>>747571378That's 140 FPS with basically nothing going on lol it'll probably drop super low when there's actual action happening with a lot of units.>xivviesThe fuck are you talking about retard?
>>747566327>it has a good visual clarity to itIt's hard to argue this especially with how sc2 pros play the game BUT MAN does the new wc3 look ugly as sin. It looks like what an ai considers an artstyle by which I mean it's ugly thrown together shit, that's revolting to the eye.I really don't understand what the fucking problem is and what the fuck they are struggling with when the original with a tenth of the polygons still looks great.
>>747540805There is like no consistency in the scaling and proportions of these models. Why the fuck is Whitemane like 2x taller than a Dryad. Why the fuck is QoP like 3x taller than everyone.
>>747572217>There is like no consistency in the scaling and proportions of these models.Same in original Warcraft 3
>>747571362I have already played the old one dozens of times. I'm wondering if the new campaign is good?
>>747572506do you like rexxar campaign and wow?
>>747572217She has really tall heels
>>747572217Model is probably straight up ripped from that dogshit mobile game, they released a couple of years ago.
There was one year between RoC and TFT, and then FK came out 23 years later, if we extrapolate this release cadence then the next Warcraft 3 expansion is due to release in November 2072
