Microsoft has become the KING of PHYSICAL!https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/project-silicas-advances-in-glass-storage-technology/
games will only cost 499.99 dollars each!
it meant for long term storage not quick access. think tape drives.
>xbox cartridges are 1 cm3 cubes>cubes, not boxesgaben wins again
>>747544289>2TB physical key code to download a 50 GB gamethinik of the anipiracyu
>>747544289“Can” or “could(nt really)”? There’s a difference
>>747544289I fucking knew it, I was just thinking about this the other day. I remember seeing a video on their glass storage tech a few years back
They're video games, sir. Ancient video games.
literally just buy a pc
>>747544289Will this make SSDs cheaper?
>>747544289>2TB games And will still look like shit.>>747544978Cheaper?
>>747544289>drop cartridge>money stolen
I wonder why the data centers aren't buying these up
You guys can't read ???????
>>747544289WTF glass????
>>747544289When you try to play Crysis on the next gen xbox
>>747545118its for archival storage so 10,000 years from now aliens can find glass discs full of pokemon fanfics
>>747545118Read-only
>>747545312then how do they get the games on them???
>>747544289Is this glass permanently etched? I guess that makes them really fancy CD-Rs?To do this in an era where even 1.0 shit gets patched daily or hourly..
>>747545373It can be written on once, moron
>>747544289This is optical media, you dumb faggot.>Hitachi and Microsoft have researched glass-based optical storage techniques, the latter under the name Project Silica.>>747545118I think it may be related to speed. This is why flash memory (what Nintendo uses for physical games) which AI really needs for performance purposes got more expensive.
They're doing this for their cloud service stuff. You don't get any fancy glass sheets of vidya
>>747545417Microsoft is developing the tech for cold data archival.Optical media has really great long-term duration.
>>747544978you goys are so silly
>>747544289Didn't read. That would require different wavelengths or moving the matrix. Too costly to be true
>>747545681so it's going to be an install thing all over again if the read speed is slow as fuck.
And it's very easy to clean
>>747544289If this is true, I shall finally cross over to the box and shit’n’piss’n’fart at once
>>747545874It's B2B tech. It won't ever reach consumers.
>50gb CDs are like $5 when they should be 5 cents>1 single 1TB backup run costs $100archive bros, how do we cope with this?
I want my games on crystals wtf
>>747546105The very reduced amount of Blu-ray replication factories across the world, in contrast with CD and DVD, kind of killed the tech. A pity, really.
>>747544345I can't imagine pyrex engraved with a laser is all that expensive. Well maybe the laser part. Not the glass part.
>>747544289Yeah? What are the R/W speeds?
>>747546293I don't think this is a R/W situation. This feels more like a tool for archival purposes more than anything. Write it once and its good until the heat death of the universe.
if it's glass then we can say goodbye to disk rot because that shit will outlast humanity.
>pass me the game, bro>sure, here you g-OOOPS>*CRASH*there goes your new game
>aliens playing halo after humanity is deadGrim
>>747546474>Idiots thinking that they’re going to do this with the most brittle type of glass possibleDid you shit your brains out today?
>>747546519they will if they wanna cut costs which they will
>>747546474Do you think they're using windowglass anon?
>>747544289Can I insert them into my anus?
>>747546474it's probably going to be in some protective plastic container like the floppy disc.
>>747544352You have to install the discs to your hard drive anyway.
>>747546816This shit is never coming to consumers. It's for their servers to get you to buy Xbox cloud
>>747544289holographic storage media had been a meme for as long as the idea has existed
I wonder if the end of standard Blu-ray patents will lead to an increase of replication plants supporting them. I hope it does.
>>747544345>this sounds way more expensive than laser engraving trillions of lines onto organic dye in plastic
>>747544289This again? Storing terabytes of data on glass has been hyped up by researchers since before blu-ray was announced and it still hasn't become a real thing over two decades later.
>>747544289big if true
>>747546474It keeps happening!
>>747545373Same way blank discs worked back in the 90's and 00's. It was a write once technology
>>747547285>This thing that wasn't possible decades ago surely hasn't changed in the time that has elapsed! Congrats you discovered how time+innovation works anon.
>>747546474https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UibPN3Q690c
>>747544289>$1000 game>Insert glass drive>3 centuries later game is ready to playI don't think you realize how slow the glass is to play games
>>747547285Creating a new production line for a brand new technology tends not to happen while the existing incumbent has legs. Blu ray was fine as the EoL for optical media and storage for larger things became HDs, SSDs and the venerable tape drive storing content delivered over the internet. But now that blu ray has nowhere to go, can't add any more layers, no violet laser replacement on the cards, HDDs/SSDs are expensive due to demand, and tape drives are no good for anything but offline backups, it's time to dust off the pie-in-the-sky tech and see if it's viable yet.
>>747547781>same way "insert completely obsolete technology that hasnt been relevant in decades" workshuh. wonder why this version isnt taking off
>>747544289MS only finished research on this months ago, do you really think they gonna have this tech ready to mass produce at an efficient cost in 1-2 years? Not gonna happen.
>>747544660Remember the episode where Rodney and Sheppard play civilization and it turns out they were giving orders to a planet
>>747544289Inb4 glass shortage
>>747549804based, FUCK near/far sighted/blind people
>>747546474My local game store will fix it.
>>747547979>this guy still thinks glass is liquid like they taught back in schoollmao
>>747545681What a shame. Scam Altman could've made a killing off taking out 40% of the global glass production for his meme centers.
>>747544289Unpopular opinion, i never understood why people got angry at the increasing storage neccesary for games, isn't just natural that game sizes keep growing. Your average phone picture is probably bigger than an NES game, data size just grows which is also what pushes new tech.
>>7475500431. Optimisation is cool.2. Hard drives and SSDs are getting more and more expensive.
>>747544289I might buy an xbox if they keep physical going.
>>747550043Most of the baseline consoles cap out at 1TB. Compare this to gunslop like COD that will easily take 200GBs on its own and you start to see a pattern. Another thing to consider is that every time someone deletes and downloads another vidya it chews away at the onboard SSD. Companies have admitted that the larger file sizes paired with a live service model means that they can effectively monopolize user retention this way. Another point is some parts of the US still run on dogshit internet. Making the process longer than it needs to be.
>>747546924woah no way....
>>747550143Optical disc drives are dying out, and I don't think Microsoft really has interest in offering full physical releases, considering their post-360 history, even on other platforms. See the latest Doom game.
>>747548787you are not gonna believe what ROM stands for
>>747550408Will these glass plates have the same level of DRM autism that killed off blueray in the end? That fetish of theirs has been going on since the early days of VHS.
>>747550496Probably not, because this Microsoft project will be the optical version of tape, that is it will be B2B tech, just like POWER computers.
>>747544836
>>747544978why? these, if real, are for only writing once, like a normal disk.
>>747550410oh, that stuff thats been replaced by flash memory almost completely and is now basically obsolete? what about it? what exactly did you think was happening when you...flash your bios? and....updated that...."read only" memory?
>>747544289glass huh? What if you drop a game?
>>747544289Drop my copy of Physint on the ground and watch it shatter into a million pieces
>>747550496>the same level of DRM autism that killed off blueray in the end?UHD BR has none of that BTW. They learned and got desperate.
>>747550978>UHD BR has none of that BTW. They learned and got desperate.Too little too late desu. They deserve to go the way of the Dodo for their coin clipping antics.
>>747550978UHD-BD-ROM is region free, but it has such an aggressive playback DRM that it became impossible on PC to play them when Intel SGX was deprecated.https://support.cyberlink.com/faq/uhd-blu-ray-playback-removed-windows-powerdvdhttps://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000089271/intel-nuc.html>Intel® SGX was used to decode UHD or Ultra HD (4K) Blu-ray DVDs with Digital Rights Management (DRM).>Intel SGX support was deprecated from 11th Gen Intel® Core™ processors and newer.>Due to the removal of Intel SGX, Ultra HD Blue-ray content cannot be played on systems with 11th Gen Intel Core processors and newer.
>>747546404>>747546421I thought glass wasn't indestructible either, like 200 years from now someone's going to slot this into a game cube reader and get a cube read error
>>747544289Slopp'd some format ideas. Which one /v/?
>>747551903for me, it's cube
>>747551903>>747552096I'm a ring guy, gotta collect them rings like sanic
>>747550720ACK
>>747546273Probably uses crystal glass not the perex glass that cookware uses.
>$8,000 per cartlmao
>>747544289PHYSICAL GAMES ARE BACK BAB- *falls on the ground and shatters into a trillion pieces* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>7475519032 or 5
>>747551903buttplug
Okay, I can see this being useful if Microsoft includes a pack-in bundle with 100s of games. They have every opportunity not to screw this up.
>>747551903>>747554386>digital immortality becomes a reality>soultrapped to a glass buttplug until the heat death of the universe
>>747551903gotta be the sonic rings
>>747550815don't be a glass hole
>>747544289>insert the Dishonored 1 game crystal into my console with a satisfying clinkyep, it's gaming time
>>747552291>The Nintendo Switch 2 uses the same non-volatile flash memory technology as with the original Nintendo Switch officially known as game cards. They share the same size and dimensions, but are colored red instead of dark gray and have a small notch on the bottom right of the rear portion to distinguish them; the notch itself has no impact on inserting them into an original Switch unlike with Nintendo 3DS game cards being inserted on a Nintendo DS system.[21] Similar to the original Switch, games for the Switch 2 are region free.[22]>Flash memory>flash>memorywhich is the super kicker, because it means that if you dont use them for 10 years, the electrical charge in them can dissapate and youll actually lose the game lmao. NAND flash rot, they call it, already impacting DS games as we speak, kek. so sure, its read only because of security, no ones bothered to break them, AND they have the life expectancy of flash memory. worst of both worlds!
>>747555447ok? didn't ask
Do retards genuinely believe that console corpos want to make physical? They'll all phase it out eventually since each copy sold is worth half as much in revenue as a digital copy due to the store cut and reselling
>>747551903>Show up to school wearing your entire Atari Classics Collection Ultramastered for the Xbox Poopshart 720 on each finger of your handsRing is too funny to not use. But all of these formats have something appealing to them, nice job anon.
>>747546474a little toothpaste and it's as good as new
i remember reading a magazine hyping up holographic discs with terabytes of storage in like 2003
>>747555667of course they dont nigga. but how are you gonna lock people to your store if you don't offer anything different.xbox is in the shitter right now, and sony gave them an easy PR win. so they might try some shit like this and then when you are locked in they will take it away
>Excitedly run over to my Xbox to play latest Goy™slop® tilte>Trip and my Xbox© GameGlass™ flies out of my hand and smashes into a billion pieces >Induce a heart attack because of my Bill Gates backed vaccine I had WOOOOOOOOOW thanks a lot Microsoft!
>>747551903What happens if I shove the game capsules up my ass like they're suppositories?
good
>>747544289Great, now I need another bookshelf. I thought I was done with these physical games!
>>747549859Playboy has really good articles and funny jokes
How many fuckong times do I have to tell (You) that (You) are not getting glass copies of your games? This shis is for Xbox cloud. Not (You).
>>747550043Zoomgroids grew up when technology stagnated for a few years so it's mindbreaking them that it's currently leaping
>>747555828You're supposed to go jogging for a bit right after newfag
>>747555828>shove gamer glass up the bumbadoo>recommended starts getting filled up with recipes for what you had the night before
>>747555556>this copelmao
>>747556438yeah well i couldnt read the fuckin thing because im not blind
>consoleWho cares? Console cucks don't own anything.
>>747551903
>>747546293>write speedsLMAO, unless you want to pay professional prices ask in a decade.Maybe longer since the industry of today will consider very carefully before giving end consumers a new CD burner and potentially reignite piracy while everyone tries hard to rapemax the pay piggus
>>747544289>Still have to download 2TB day-one patchYou just know it.
>>747547820something something nuclear fusion
>>747555759One of the more wierd but cool ideas for media I remember was using tesa film rolls with a modulated laser that would only burn/read from a specific layer of the tape while leaving both the lower or higher layers alone.Not much rewriting potential there, but dirt cheap media
>>747547285It'll never be a thing because WORM is a meme.
>>747544289Sounds cool but what about r/w speed?
>>747556668Stop being a dumb ass and go download it
>>747557370>download the braille edition of playboyTHAT MAKES IT HARDER. HOW DO YOU READ BRAILLE ON A FLAT COMPUTER SCREENTHERES NO BUMPS
>>747550043Because most people have shit PCs and they are upset when they need to upgrade something
>>747555771You assume the Xbox leadership has any idea how to save the system. Asha is doing the same shit as Phil did in the last years. She just lies to the userbase in the hope she can survive the next quarter.Let us be completely realistic. What the hell could the next Xbox do when>It will be a PC which means they can not cut corners with the hardware and need more RAM for the same performance as the next PS or Switch 2>They taught their userbase their games are multiplatform>They cultivated an userbase who is only with them for cheap Game Pass, which they cant offer anymore because it stopped growing ages ago>see above they have no loyality for most of their users and those users have no libraries. The moment GP becomes a shit deal (they bled millions of users the moment they raised the price more than a few bucks) or the next hardware will be too expensive (HALF of the Xbox Series owners are on S to save $100 compared to the base PS5) they are fucking dead.Xbox will not survive the Helix launch. They don't even report sales to Circana anymore, it is that fucking bad.
>Dark Spirit has inva-
that's pretty neat, it was really stupid to assume electronis tech to become better than physical dead memory it was really just because blue ray blocked people desire to continu optimisation.Also didn't nintendo had some stakes into this tech at some point? I remember them being involved into crystal memory research or something
>>747558003worse, most PC people are actually on laptops.
I'm still waiting on all that graphite hardware they swore would replace silicon a decade ago.
>>747551903stackable lego bricks
>>747557259there is no write on this, it's meant to replace blue rays and dvds. As far as the speed go, light is involved so it's probably quite fast
>>747547204CD/BD's are stamped in a second. They aren't burned. That's why they are so cheap
>>747544407>releases games in cubes>nintendo sues you
>>747558003>>747558471name a single good game i cant play on a 8 year old office laptop
>>747544978no, because the crystals are read only it's not meant to be dynamically used like a ssd or ram.which is perfect for games, it means no competition at factory level.
>>747550043Tech development has flattened out a lot from the NES era and people can barely see changes between decade old games and new. Far more of the size bloat is about unoptimized slop being okay to release, you just have to accept a 100TB bug fix update because lmao idiot you bought it. Physical media held the idea of a gold master and size limit alive for awhile but console devs are on the unoptimized slop update train as well. Day 1 patch rewrites the game into a functional state. Glass cubes would not fix this problem. The potential for a definitive edition of 900TB is there. It will just not be used because they’d release 500TB updates anyway.
>>747544289whatever happened to 100TB on like a centimer of glass>>747544978no, the tech will probably require expensive as fuck lasers so it isn't becoming a consumer product anytime soon and its WORM. It's the same with Tape storage. It's in theory extremely cheap but you need to buy a drive which goes for 5000-10000
>>747547820Humanity has not meaningfully advanced since the mid 20th century
It can't do rapid access.
>>747559024why?
Xbox fags think games are being released that never require an update when it releases. LMAO
oh god did anyone read the article, they require a.i. to retrieve the data. it could just be making fucking shit up, how would you know
>>747559534>Every copy of Crackdown 3 on xbox series ssx will be personalized thanks to the power of the a.i glass readingXbox winning since XBONE fuark yeah
>>747544289Sounds cool, I want to believe.
>>747559679wait, is it really not even past 2. crackdown 3 is the hypothetical "new game" in your scenario. didnt i play the first one like, 20 years ago
>>747544289>drop game by accident>money stolen
>>747559969It's just a lame "joke" referencing power of the cloud that was meant to be fully realized for Crackdown 3 but ultimately never did because of the backlash during the xbone announcement.
>>747544978Lol no
How do we know this isn't just a marketing scheme.Microsoft spent the last 10 years betraying physical media owners getting rid of Blu-ray and going all digital and now they're trying to backpedal?Blu-ray had high capacity discs and even if the game was over a hundred gigabytes they could have compressed it onto an archive or some software base compression to install the game it would still be faster than most people's home internet. 90% of games on the Xbox series X library can be put on a singular Blu-ray disc for cheap but Xbox and Microsoft spent the whole last decade betraying Xbox 360 owners along with the failure of the Xbox One where they tried always online. They spent the last decade betraying physical media and pushing game pass to the extreme and now I'm supposed to trust them? So they say they're going to bring physical high capacity space back, so they say. Just wondering why we're so lucky now. Blurays switched from organic dyes a long time ago and discs and Blu-ray is still the standard for many forms of media including movies and CDs still use discs too. This whole thing reeks of bullshit. Just like Sony in 2016.
>>747559534AI isn't mentioned in the OP article and that one you posted is from 2019. Not that I think they removed AI though.
>>747544289That’s cool as fuck because they are like the isolinear chips from Star Trek.
>>747560369I'll just wait till the technology to replace discs happens and silica media is able to be bought and written by the average home user. I'm not buying back into Microsoft's closed ecosystem again they betrayed physical media. Even Nintendo if they go fully key card I won't buy a switch 2 OLED, I haven't bought any switch 2 for that exact reason. I'll sell my entire switch library in the games I have and I'll boycott Nintendo entirely.Aside from Nintendo I'm on PC now with gog and steam.They want to transition the glass silica that's fine but they had better have a damn good
>>747560279>Microsoft spent the last 10 years betraying physical media owners getting rid of Blu-ray and going all digital and now they're trying to backpedal?They would in a heartbeat if they had the patent for the media and everyone who wants intot he ecosystem needs to offer them a 30% cut.
>>747549859>braille editionHow the fuck does that work for an image centric rag like playboy. Does it ship with a shitload of small statues so the blind can feel what the models look like?
Wait is this why Sony fucking cancelled the physical side of shit? If this is affordable (unlike the 100tb blu ray) this would give them a huge advantage, I have to admit I might actually get an Xbox IF this stuff works offline. Current Xboxes won’t even let you play offline even with a disc, the whole digital transfer thing is a huge joke
>>747562182No idea, equivalent of an automated ASCII art output for braile devices perhaps?
>>747544289whoops dropped my glass cartridge
>>747559248>40gb on glass cartridge>120gb day one patch
>>747562258While xbox is trying to do digital transfers, I already own my games DRM free and have already made physical copies on PC on gog.
>>747562182the articles, anon, they read it for the articles. memes aside, apparently the articles in playboy ARE really good.what everyone skips over is that thats the copy for the library of congress lmao
>>747562929Steam queens sure love to brag about playing decades old trash, but leave the men alone please
>>747563005>skipsNo one mentions it because it's common knowledge for anyone over 25 that everything published in burgerland has to send a copy to that library.
>>747546374kek we Star Trek now
>>747544978lmao no you silly goypay up
>>747559534real retard moment there.
>>747563146and its no longer in the library of congress, i have it now (sorta, its in storage).
>it uses AI machine learning to scan and figure out what the data on it means because it's a bunch of garbled junk that needs to be cleaned and sortedlollmao evenyeah just install an LLM trained specifically to read info from this piece of pyrex!what?write?lol no it's read only!incredibleimagine someone trying to sell this in the stone ages?aye lad this is the state of the art clay tablet engraved by a scribe with an incredible storyyou need to hire a reader slave who knows how to read this particular slab though, that'll be one tablet + slave for the low low price of 999 golds
>>747563408>he's doubling down on unrelated fanfiction
I’d like to interject because Star Trek isolinear chips are read write.
>>747563456https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssbYyEAz7hsvoices in your head again?
>>747563468maybe they are read write when you have one of those femboy lasers, at least they could add more data since it's basically destroying material.
>>747563468It sci-fi , so a questionable take if that means actually rewritable or that that media is just meant to have such humongous storage capacity that it won't ever matter that you can not overwrite the same block again
