>basic design philosophy of classic+ new content was sticking to what was established in warcraft 1-3 and vanilla>right out of the gate it comes with a fanfiction raceThey simply did not get it, huh? Expect more retail tier shit from now on.
>>747549529classic+ already exists it's called octowow
>>747549529Literally built for sweaty babymaking sex.
Vanilla WoW introduced a bunch of shit that didn't exist in Warcraft 3. The concept is that this is a do-over with new stuff.
As long as there's no flying and every class doesn't have a ton of healing spells that make them solo monsters.
>>747549601false equivalency
>>747549529Blizzdrones are like Steam Elementals, just not as loud. They'll show up. Just look at Diablo Immortal.
>>747549618No, it is pretty much a true equivalency. Warcraft 3 made no mention of the Qiraji, despite them being an ancient evil that the Night Elves fought at one point.
>>747549529its shit writing all over again
>>747549529Adding a pretty elf race is a prerequisite for Classic+, because the Chinese constitute the largest audience and they will not play the game unless they can play as a pretty elf girl/boy.BC solves this by releasing Blood Elves.But if you're not doing BC content then you have to invent another kind of elf.Again China is the biggest consumer base out there and only growing every year, so this is really not negotiable from a business standpoint. You either include some KMMO looking characters or you write off a few billion in sub fees.
>>747549813High elves were right there.
>>747549813These trans elves are not for Chinks and especially not with how ugly of dogshit WoW looks like compared to any modern game.
>>747549813why not do high elves and blood elves? it's as simple as that, only difference would be their eye color
>>747549918>>747549980Because High Elves would be an Alliance faction. The Alliance already has elves, the problem is the Horde doesn't have any, so this creates a big faction imbalance as Asia will refuse to play Horde. So these new elves have to be available to the Horde. Blood Elves were the original solution to thisSky Elves seem kinda gay though yeah.
>>747549980I'm gonna guess they want to do a hard fork away from anything post classic, hoping they will not have prettified Draenei either.
>>747550068nice reading comprehension moron, i just said you could do high elves AND blood elves
>>747550068>High elves have a dispute>Those who side with Lor'themar joined the Horde and call themselves blood elves>Those who side with Vereesa joined the Alliance and kept the high elf namethere it takes 5 fucking seconds to come up with a lore friendly reasonand you can show all of this happen in the starter zone
My god just fucking anything, anything would've been better than making shit up. Why did they fuck it so bad already? How do we get "them" removed? Should we collectively just ignore anyone who play this fagass race to the point that it becomes a communitywide problem and those retards at Blizzard have to do something about it?
>>747550118this is actually the only decent explanation I've heard that would make some sense, but it's still super lazy because I think the implication is that they only wanted to do the work to create one race. I think Horde could potentially have gotten some sort of Naga-cured elf race (or at least SOMETHING that would give Horde a "pretty" race while still being somewhat relevant to existing lore), but then they would have to create a new Alliance race as well.
It's not even intended to be classic+, it's just first party Turdle. Turdlewow was already chock full of egregious troonery, up to and including the devs running around with anime girl models, I don't know why anyone is surprised when right out of the gate it's by and for troons.
>>747549707so fucking what? holy fuck
>>747550241it's so fucking funny, I think without this complete ass-pull of a race some people may have actually been excited. the addition of this new race has just made people wary
>>747550169That’s gay and a huge retcon. In Vanilla, the Blood Elves are enemies to the horde, you get sent to kill them in one of the few Azshara quests in the game. Most of them are in Outland too.
>>747550169You are right, but there are probably other reasons they did the sky elves too.They honestly seem kinda gay and lame so this might be an attempt to get non-WoW players to play WoW Forever. New players, basically women who want a pretty wholesome chungus faction.It could also be young people and newfags who know absolutely nothing about warcraft, so Blizzard designed a race that matches up with their IRL knowledge. Kind of like when an RPG protagonist is a clueless kid just venturing into the world or someone with amnesia. (yeah trash writing) I expect the sky elves will be some newcomers to the world and they're mostly explorers, which syncs up to new players who are curious and want to look around
>>74754960190% of Vanilla WoW included shit that was referenced in past books/games/the RPG.
>>747549529I'd honestly take Draenei over these fucking things.
>>747550287turtle had high elves at least
>>747550291>massive evil big enough to have two raids>literally made up out of nothingWow has loads of this btw. Ragnaros. Dark Iron Dwarves. Hakkar.
>>747550406Retconned Dranei looked cool. These look gay
>>747550068They could have added High Elves AND Blood Elves and allocated the work making these blue elves into something actually meaningful.
I hope you can tell who is using a controller in your group so you can kick them
>>747550457If they wanted something actually meaningful they wouldn't be making a rehash of a rehash. This is the second time they're reheating vanilla, of course it'll be extra stinky.
blizzard has lost all their creativity and good originality. Now its all stinky slop
>>747550483Controllers would be good for vanilla WoW though. Most classes only hit a few buttons, some DPS classes can literally press 1 or 2 buttons as their rotation. Hunter can actually just /follow and press zero buttons.
>>747550549>creativity>originalityEverything in WoW is a ripoff of something from Warhammer, Dragonlance or Forgotten Realms.
Anyone seen the damage on caster staves yet? they used to match regular two handers but got nerfed at some point in vanilla. Used to be good to get in some bonks between spellcasts in pvp
>Be new race>Made up on the spot>Nobody asked for you>Have zero established lore, not even in retail>Antithetical to classic in most ways>Reskin of existing assets>Shoehorned in>Have a 30$ price tag>Loads of people defend you anyway since they want to be "pretty" while playing HordeHaranir were guilty of this too, but at least they actually had a unique model and retail's lore is so fucked nobody cares. As stupid as it would have been, I would have even preferred the fucking pandas if they absolutely had to have a neutral race.
>>747549813>only growing every yearEven according to the chinks own data this isn't the case and haven't been the case since 2023. They are actually the 4th fastest shrinking country in the world currently (not including war related deaths)
>>747550424And High Elves are too generic to trademark and sell miniatures of (classic themed miniatures being a minor announcement online during blizzcon btw), so Blizzard will never ever release them. You're getting troon content by troon devs for troon players, exactly like anyone who had a clue knew would happen.
>>747550587It would be better if they actually stole from a good franchise again instead of doing whatever they have been doing
>>747550665None of those franchises were ever good.
Are wowfags worse than pokefags? at least every pokemon game has a new gimmick and music, what does wow have?
>>747550691warhammer had some good lore you retard
>>747550587Warhammer, Dragonlance, and Forgotten Realms are soulless IPs
>>747550436>enough to have two raidsyou say this as though having a raid about something makes it significant in the story
>>747550764No they aren’t Zoomie
>>747549529What is the lore of the new sky elves, anyway?
>>747550736Every WoW expansion has its own soundtrack.
>>747550819who cares
>>747550287Turtle wasn't anywhere near as faggy as these blue elves or retail WoW because most of the content weren't actually made by the troons, only moderated by them. It's why the horde quests were still mostly just about being savages in one way or another while every alli quest were about being "heroes" that still did genocide as a side gig.
>>747549529No but really why go for this asspull blue shit instead of just High Elves or Blood Elves if you really need to? And if you're gonna make something new and unfounded why make them look like that anyway?
>>747550790Black dragons got two raids in vanilla and their meddling was hinted at throughout the game.
>>747550319there's not at all, belves were called belves and anti alliance back in TFT when they reached outlandsdalaran, like, the city shown to open in cinematics, have both fucking factions aka silverwing for alliance and sunreavers for horde as the ones who follow veressa and ones who follow aethasthe fanfic race out of the bat alreaydy shows mask off, but well blizzdrones are retards and will throw money again and then complain that they get banned by botters using spam report as weapon, and then appeal ban to AI customer support who keep responding with wowhead link to lvl5 quest telling you to group up for hoggerthere's no saving shitzard and blizzdrones are rightfully a laughing stock here
I hope someone makes a mod to make them look like Blood/High elves
New wow lore:>these stinkers have been up to some ruckus>heres a prison thats actually cool and famous because we say so (its slop)its all cringe
>>747549529i for one, am looking forward to seeing remastered versions of my favourite zones pre-cata (like dun morogh, wetlands, duskwood, shimmering flats, tanaris, ashenvale)
>>747550881And?
i feel like they're going to end retail and this will be the new wowthere's no other explanation for having garbage to make the cozy retail retards interested
>>747550483Controller players will not be the worst players in the group in Vanilla+ specifically because most classes uses 3-5 buttons tops during regular combat. People are going to stand in the fire and run headfirst into walls and packs regardless of what they are using to fumble around like a retard on roller blades
>>747550565you press a few buttons but your class still has loads of buttons that you can press if a situation needs it
>>747550924You’re retarded. I don’t know why I’m arguing with you.
>>747550963not being able to right click turn on a dime and look around quickly is enough of a reason to kick them
>>747550980The game will automatically press those buttons for you when the situation arises. It's called accessibility.
even talking about it is a mistake because its not worth the attwntion
>>747550790Raids are how the story progressed you favela brained troglodyte.
>>747549529Lol, first we had night elves, and now I guess we have day elves?
>>747549529What is it about wow that attracts so many trannies and faggots?
>>747550985I don't either, I have no idea what you're saying
>>747550118Except Blood Elves are already in classic, just as NPCs. Making them playable wouldn't ruin anything. There was not some pivitol moment in the terrible TBC lore that was like "Oh okay! NOW they can join!" It was literally kind of just "We got left behind, Kael was kind of a dick, let's join the Horde because reasons." Last I checked Quel'thalas (and presumably the BEs in it) still exist in vanilla, even if "offscreen". In fact, if anything, the Dark Portal not opening gives them ever more reason to side with the Horde.
>>747551004What if movement is independent of camera like it is in most games? They could turn just as fast as kb+m players.
>>747551040we're not talking about the story of vanilla wow, we're talking about the overarching story of all of warcraft. The stuff that happens in vanilla is a footnote compared to WC3
>>747551004>not being able to right click turn on a dime and look around quickly is enough of a reason to kick them>He says, after having played with your average Classic fag and Retail troonThese retards can't turn around even IF they are using a mouse, this literally changes nothing.
>>747551150Id rather be able to kick the useless little shits before the first wipe and seeing who is using a controller would help with that
>>747551078This is an alternate timeline, Quel’thalas could be a giant pile of ash for all we know.
>>747550483you can tell by them playing better than keyboard user. same in FF14.
>>747549529>Classic+Man... I can't wait to no-life classic+, but the release window sucks so much, because PoE2 is coming shortly after. Fuck... I can't handle multiple online games, this is too much.
>>747551192Why just not have a mouse icon instead then? It wouldn't make any difference at all and it's retards like you that ruined the current Classic vibes and that turned Retoilet into an endless series of job interviews and raid logging.
>>747551323learn to play. its really not that hard
>>747551136What an embarrassing way to admit you've never paid attention to vanilla WoWs story lol. Why are you pissy about Highborne with a different name? You obviously don't give a shit about the lore or the story. I doubt you even know who the Highborne are.
>>747551341>Learn to playI did and it was the worst time I've ever spent on a game because all I got from getting gud were the chance to play with the biggest narcissists and perfectionists on the planet, it's literally what made me quit the game since Blizzard made it glaringly obvious that there was nothing else of value in their game anyway.
>>747549529LF1 tank for Scarlet Monastery. Link cheevies!
We're back and dooming for the next month will not change this.
>>747551470>I didI'm sure you did
>>747549918High Elves will trigger the very large fanbase of Blood Elf troons (currently all playing female trolls). You can mention High Elves without Belfs spazzing out. You would need to add both Helves and Belves at the same time, which I guess they didn't want to do.
>>747551495back to formreturn to the roots
>>747551474But I need to do the raid to get the cheevo!
idgaf, im playing it, no more chasing carrot on a stick game design, no sweats pushing fast content, no /armor /ability /spell/ creep on a major scalegive me oldschool runescape but in a non isometric view, and im happy
>>747549529they just want to attract a wider audience, no one sane wants to play the same shit for 20 years, its just a fringe of deranged classic andies who will probably develop dementia later in life
>>747549813High Elf for Alliance and early Blood Elves for Horde. Literally would have been that easy.
>>747551571>player quits playing a game that forces them to play with people they don't likeI mean, they could have just made their own groups and kicked any faggots that joined but I get why someone would quit over something like this regardless of how good or bad they are
>>747551208>Quel’thalas could be a giant pile of ash
>>747551208Yes, but a floating island that has never been hinted at at any point in time, even in retail's convoluted lore it totally more likely, even in an alternate timeline.Couldn't season of discovery at least given us some quests hinting at some mystery sky civilization? Or fuck, even retail doing that would have at least made them not feel like they were shoehorned in and so jarring. Hell I would have even taken a "They are time travelers from retail" nonsense over what we are getting.
Apologize.
>>747549529Their goal since making Classic has been to try and get them to double dip into Retail.This is just their 4th or 5th attempt at that.
>what if Classic, but gayWho asked for this?
Watched the vid and it seems the race has different classes based on faction.Arcane vs nature.
>>747551208its an alternate timeline that diverges STARTING from vanilla, that means everything up to vanilla is still canon.
>>747551794>>747551610
>>747551794Blizzard themselves wanted this.Thank you for supporting the company with your monthly goy payments. The bear is also gay
>>747551792The first big miss. Satyrs were right there, Burning Legion connection and all.
>>747551794It's a less subtle version of the OSRS method>hey look we brought back the thing you like!>hmm but what if it was a little different? just a little haha try it!>repeat until it's completely unrecognizable and there's a giant playerbase being milked for infinite moneyin blizzard's case it's more like>look here's classic!>ooo and here's tbc!>and here's wotlk!>and here's... wait where did everyone go?>w-wait we have more classic here haha but what if it's a little different... it's still classic though please come back
>>747551684Plenty of MMOs have undiscovered lands that were never hinted at prior that get added in an update. This serves as an update for Classic.
>>747551052lmao why are they all trolls?in the lore, trolls are basically the racist chuds
>>747551794>Who asked for this?gays prolly
>>747550483what kinda high apm twitch shooter gameplay are you demanding from classic.would it help if they bound every button to frost bolt
>>747551871Satyrs are explicitly evil and on their way to becoming demons. It would be like having playable Dreadlords.
>>747549529It's not, streamers will be paid and will shill, sheep will follow and play. It will be a huge success at the start, then it will degenerate and lose players the more Blizzard keeps adding.
>>747551986>Satyrs are explicitly evil and on their way to becoming demonsSo were Orcs. They can make up some bullshit
>>747551914I thought they were more sexist.
Its a humiliation ritual for classic players
>>747550483>sorry guys, I mean to cast Starfire instead of Innervate the tank. Controller must have glitched.Get ready.
>>747551986So were Orcs and Blood Elves.
>>747552072I dont think so, it was mostly about them viewing the newer races as inferior, leading to campaigns of genocideim not really into warcraft lore so im not totally sure
>>747552094you still have classic era servers lil classic andy
>>747550736They're the same, age brackets and all.Both are battered housewives that will always defend the hand that beats them because it's all they know. Without it, they have no other hobby or social network.And then they'll chastise you for not taking your beating too.
Somehow everyone seems to ignore that they tie into Skywall and thus elemental storylines
>>747552147You know a poster is a Blizzjeet because he'll never recommend that you just quit and unsubscribe.
I am actually much m9re turned off by the gameplay side of things. Not a single thing about this is in the spirit of classic. 10 and 20 man raids, what a fucking joke. The whole thing straight up looked like retail, which is exactly what you would expect.Unfortunately, people are so addicted it will take years and a lot of blizzard success for people to turn on it. A shame.
>>747552227i mean if you dont want to play, then stop talking about the gameits not hard you sperg
>>747551792I was too harsh to our russian refridgerator space invaders.
>>747552102There must be a sizeable portion of players that never pressed buttons auch as Innervate, LoH, Shield Wall during all the years they played on KB+M, too. Controllers change nothing
quit and unsubscribefuck them
>>747550268>Turdlewow was already chock full of egregious troonery, up to and including the devs running around with anime girl modelsanon that was one gm and he wasn't even apart of twow in its last yearbesides that screenshot and the socks in all my year of twow i saw nothing woke or faggy. all the quests were just as intense as normal wow was and the players were all fairly normal. hell, world chat was almost a second /v/ half the time.
>>747551871To be fair, playable Satyrs would have made even less sense unless they added a 3rd Burning Legion faction or something. The Draenei retcon at least didn't fuck up any in-game events (The lore with the Eredar and Sargares was all out of game if I recall). They just made Akama and his boys an ugly sub-species.
>>747549707Tft firmly established the existence of the old gods and the nerubians so the qiraji were about as left field as the defias whereas the existence of a floating continent of uncontacted elves is even more absurd than pandaria since at least there was a pandaren in wc3.
>>747552284>if you lower your expectations, the changes aren't as bad comparitivelyOh, well. If bad players exist, then giving every new or returning player a tool to enable poor play is alright then.On Blizzkikes can defend their game with how dogshit they are at it.
After thinking about it, the new race kinda reminds of the way the koreagrinds do things. The other races are more "grounded" ideas and then you can buy the special magical skyelf race from the cashshop.
>>747549529I'm not digging how they went brighter instead of darker
>Chinese refuse to play races that arent pretty>So theyre forced to add elves to the Horde>But the chinks would also throw a riot if they were forced to buy Blood Elves again>So Blizzard makes sky elvesIts not complicated, this entire problem is just because of the Chinese market being almost impossible to please
>>747552436>On Blizzkikes can defend their game with how dogshit they are at it.Go on the official forums sometime. There are people on there who openly brag about giving Blizzard money and buying anything with the World of Warcraft logo on it no matter what it is. And they seem to think this makes them a part of Blizzard somehow instead of just goycattle. They legit think that giving Blizzard all their time and money means that they're on the fucking team.
>>747552601They could've made high elves though.
>>747549529So their big idea was blue elves? Gay
>>747552648Yes, anon is a retard
>>747552648I just told you the problem is the horde
>>747549529The new race and undead paladins turned me off. I'm racist toward the Horde. Kill'em all!
>>747551650You can't add a TBC race and randomly not add its counterpart, are you retarded?
>>747552702we need to deport the horde from kalimdorillegal migrants need to go back!
I like the alt rave girl aestheticshould have had red skinned horde demon elves with goth or e-girl aesthetic>>747552648how can elves get higher than the sky?
>>747552727Why would that matter when Forever may not even go the route of TBC at all? Draenei could always just come at any later date.
>>747552727... Why? Are you?
>>747552727>You can'tWhy not?
>hmm whyd they give both sides an elf and not ugly fucking ogres....really makes me think
>>747549529what do you mean OC race?she was right there the whole time :^ )
>mfw blizzard releases turtle wow for only 15 bucks a months (plus $30 blue elf tax)
>no pala for Hordekek what's the point of blue elves then?
>>747552838>>747552839>>747552879Because the playerbase for Draenei (all three of them) would be pissed justifiedly and it would set a precedent that they can just randomly play favourites on what comes first and what doesn't regarding content expansion with races, which would only get people pissed further down the line when they don't get the favourite child treatment themselves.This is common sense.
I am not gonna buy the donut elves and I would prefer if they had done something else, but it's not a dealbreaker at all for me. Right now I am more concerned about what the rebalancing of talent trees, abilities, gear and stat lines mean for the power level of my character versus the world around him. I do not want to be able to just round up and aoe kill mobs in a level appropriate range.
>>747552923You say this but on classic servers horde are overpopulated
>>747552923>blizz should add ogres because it fits better with the vanilla game!!>are you gonna play an ogre?>no, why would I do that?
>>747552923Devs are not there to offer their mouths to the player base, but to make the game fun and soulful, you ninetuple fucking faggot piece of shit!You don't just put in some gay nigger ogres and call it a day, like lazy subhumans do nowadays. You put in ogres that fit in the universe, give them fitting abilities and make them retarded, but not gay and african.Let the players deal with it you ugly fucking kike
>>747552983>would be pissed justifiedlyno one cares high elves would be seen as an improvement by everyone but the goat fuckers
>>747552942its not even turtle wow. twow had more complete talent reworks, goblins for horde, high elves for alliance. like 8 new zones, fucking dorf warlocks. this feels rushed out the door, especially considering the blue elf NEUTRAL race. nothing is more desperate than a neutral race. when i played DAoC i knew the writing for how much the devs dont care was on the wall when all three realms that hate each other more than life itself all got minotaurs as a race option. blizz just doesnt give a fuck. also paid race. are all races going to be paid? all of them going to be neutral races? the mind reels
>>747552942It's funny how they pay this tard to shill for them when he has the charisma of a lump of wood
I think sky elves are neat. I'm going to make one called Cloud.
>>747552992And did you check china?
>>747552992That's simply because Undead are unbalanced across the broad and nobody plays Classic to begin with.
>>747549529It really is just Retail-
>>747552985I don't give two fucks about any of that because the blue elf tells me everything I need to know about the devs
>>747553075
Somebody give me the QRD what Blizzard fucked up this time pls.
>>747553023>Lets not add flavor and soul to the gameThat's why you browns will never be creators.
>>747553052>they did that>orcs are STILL the 2nd favorite horde orc by a gigantic margin to belveslol
>>747553106Nobody's gonna play this either
>>747553120
>>747552959Horde are getting Undead pallys
>>747553075Be based and call it Stormfront.
>>747550483I played with the controller add-on for quite some time and it was pretty neat and intuitive but that was strictly DPS I can't imagine how shit it is for healing or tanking
>>747553120made a gay elf race (retail-styled) that's it
>>747552959They're adding undead palaniggers
>>747553142You are delusional.
>>747553120They didn't create the Classic+ that existed in my mind and now I'm mad.
>>747553145What's more disgusting is how it looks. It's just gross to look at, like the new dragonflight race.
>>747553145but that's a race not a class
>>747553145Oh the retards who made this image fucked up. It's not 30 bucks for a new class, it's 30 bucks for the new race. That horde and alliance share. And it's just Blood Elf model spray painted with cotton candy.
>>747552923classic andies seething
i just dont get why it has to be so gay
>>747552983And now everyone is just more pissed than those hypothetical Draeneifags would be because we're stuck with OC smurf elves.
>>747553183I think not ranjeet
>>747553145>>747553163That's it? There is like 50 fucking threads in the catalog right now and paying 30 bucks to play a faggy not-BELF race is all you can come up with to bitch about?
>>747553120They added some cope neutral race so everyone can be elves in Classic behind a 9 bucks paywall, people that don't know how to read or want to bait are going around doing the>>747553145to shit their pants or whatever.
>>747549529Where are her tits?
>>747553205>And it's just Blood Elf model spray painted with cotton candy.So why is it 30 bucks?
>>747553149>>747553171What the fuck
>>747549606>no flyingAnon...
>>747549918>High elves were right there.High Elves are near non-existent after the scourge fucked silvermoon and they became blood elves
>>747553189They did for me tho. All i wanted from Classic+ was fleshing out the blank zones on the map. Maybe some Uldum and Grim Batol stuff too.
>>747549606Just make flying slower than groundOr copy final fantasy and make you do a bunch of stuff in a zone before you are allowed to fly in itOr both
>>747553219I can't imagine anyone that isn't retarded gives a fuck about the elves one way or another, to be honest.
>>747549606>no flyingbut anon how else are we suppose to get to the super secret lore-changing smurf elf islands in the sky?
>>747553118
>>747553240removed
>>747553151holy kek
>>747549529Apparently the reason they exist in Forever and not retail WoW is because when the Exodar crashed into Kalimdor, it killed all the Skyborne. The Skyborne in Forever exist in a world where the draenei never crashed into their mountain and killed them all.So you see, they're not really an asspull.
>>747553285They're more existent than fucking sky elves you mong
>>747553230it's cuz they are retail kinds of faggy, not like regular Blood Elf faggyI don't care personally, but that's what has people saying it's DoA.
>>747553145It's $29.99 FOREVER
>>747553345wtf I love Draenei now?!
>>747553142They will for a week or so as they apparently have to learn that it's the same old shit for a third (fourth/fifth) time.
>>747553345>exodar crashed so hard it evaporated an entire race of elvesplease let this be the cannon reason that'd be so fucking funny
Our future
>>747553320I don't like you
>>747549529I would FUCK this thing
>>747553058To be fair I think even most goat fucker players would be fine with them.
>>747553367>FOREVERSo one time purchase with no subscription unlike retail wow?Eh i would give it a try if that is the casei know it's not the case but i would like if it was
they will sell so many blue elves packs tho. both horde and alliance will be crawling with them.
It astounds me that there are miserable cunts out there that are continuously shitting and pissing themselves over playable high elves for nearly twenty five years.
>>747549918 Someone at Blizzard has a hateboner for High Elves, it's the only explanation at this point
>>747553240Art was made by a woman, so big titty chicks are off the table.
>>747549529Blah blahI'm gonna play it and it's gonna be great
>>747553345>Apparently the reason they exist in Forever and not retail WoW is because when the Exodar crashed into Kalimdor, it killed all the Skyborne.That's kind of funny
>>747553345Based space goats
Dont really care about these blue elves. Much more interested to learn about game systems and balancing.
I present to you logging into WoW Forever on any given day. get hyped
>>747553190God they look so fucking gay. The sad thing is I had to make one since the new class was locked behind them.
>>747551794needs a blade runner edit
>>747553574>*toggles them off*
>>747553240>>747553497https://files.catbox.moe/vaavih.mp4
>>747553353So nobody can actually say what's wrong with the announcement except for a dogshit race with a $30 price tag?
So do I understand correctly that now there are 2 WoW running concurrently?
Why do westoid elves have weird fucked up sclera? literally every westoid game does this, elder scrolls, pathfinder,etc
I don't understand why they decided on Blue Elves when they could've just done High Elves/Blood Elves. Hell if they didn't want full on Blood Elves because it'd be stepping into TBC storylines with Kael then they could've just split the High Elf faction in half, with one half joining the Alliance and the other half being pissed off at the alliance and shacking up with the horde instead. They even could've made this decision a key component in their starting zone questlines.Regardless I just wish we had gotten something new like Ogres but I now realize that will never happen because it'd be to much work for these lazy fucks to create 2 new player models for each gender since they'd need calssic/retail style ones on top of having to create new animations and fit all of the pre existing armor sets to them. I imagine this is the main reason they just decided to back-port blood elves and paint them blue since it meant that they wouldn't have to do that.
>>747553645because they want to make them unique and alienwhen in fact elves in mythology where basically tall beautiful humans
>>747553617Yeah, duh. People just hate gay shit.
kill blizzshit players and devs
Hey so if warcraft can just wipe all the newer garbage away and start again can Star Wars?
>>747553643Two that will be updated with brand new content yes. There's like 5 versions of classic also.
>>747553645Blizzard just can't decide on a look
>>747553145Reminds me of those gay plants in GW2.
>>747553645they're trolls overflowing with mana
Orgrimmar renamed to Elfgrimmar due to pressing ceremonial reasons.
Is Arthas alive in new WoW?
>>747553705they literally didand then fucked it up all over again
>>747553743sylvari are way more kino than these things
>>747549529The main problem is that they have a choose-your-faction race in the first place when you already have a bunch of lore-established races to choose from. But even if they just HAD to do that because Blizz is out of touch and greedy, why did it have to be some bullshit race that just popped out of nowhere? And why did they have to be yet another reskin of elves?They could've just made some Titan construct race that's just as angel-coded and bullshit their way into making them playable. Like their facility's system and keeper was about to shut down because of some BS and the keeper decided to give them free will rather than leave them with the risk of entroggification like the dwarves. Then those fuckers started fighting over whether the salvation/damnation of the world lie with the mutated native races (Alliance) or the pact between the pure native races and races that hold otherworldly power and secrets (Horde). It'll even give them leeway to have NPC factions that are neutral, righteous villains doing nothing wrong factions (like genociding the elves for their role in the war of the ancients), and outright evil/corrupted factions. Also give them Diablo-style void-bodied angels, ivory/white marble Earthen, and Algalon see-through constellation skin types, instead of just giving them plain black people/white people/default blue skin tone options. Of course it's just better to have none of this bullshit in the first place.
>>747553645fucked sclera is based and cool.
>>747553762no, its a post warcraft 3 world
>>747552675Darkfallen elves?
>>747553610SAggy blueberries
>>747553617There#s nothing actually wrong beyond that, most people are pleasantly surprised by what it turned out to be. You are just in /v/.
>>747553762Well it's a prequel. Post-TFT and pre-MC/Prestor. So he is the Lich King.
>>747549529Sooo we'll have a shrinking playerbase spread thin across>retail>era>SOD>MOP classic>hardcore>anniversaryand now>forever
>>747553801I mean he isn't defeated by a bunch of trannies like in normal WoW?
>>747553762you mean this new shit?yes he should still be sitting on the Frozen Throneyou mean NuWoW?he ded
>>747553762No he'd still be the Lich King since this is starting out after wc3/start of vanilla.
Will this new thing have the dedicated PvP and PvE servers again or are they going back to the fluid opt in and out garbage
You guys think my favorite item in Classic will still be the same?
>>747553831>most people are pleasantly surprised by what it turned out to be
>>747553345That actually fits perfectly because Bloodmyst Isle didn't exist before the Exodar crash and was just handwaved away as being radioactive dust from Exodar crystals but it makes so much more sense that it's just airborne Skyborne viscera.
>>747553643There's 4, soon to be 5.>Classic WoW servers (Perma Vanilla WoW)>Anniversary progressive WoW servers (Currently on The Burning Crusade)>Progressive Classic Servers (Currently on Mists of Pandaria)>Retail WoW>Forever WoW launching in November
>>747552227>webmThese "people" don't even care if they live or die, no wonder they take selfies in front of incoming trains.
>>747553643lol dude there's literally 3 different versions of Classic that are live right now, in addition to regular Retail
>some lore blablaDont careSex with the new blue elf
paintings are still hot chicks, right?and Stormwind hasn't been blacked?
WILL IT HAVE NEW STORY OR THE SAME SLOP FROM NORMAL WOW?
>>747553831To be fair, that shithole Reddit, Twatter, and the WoW forums themselves are all having the same meltdown over this as /v/ is. This transcends platforms.
>>747553893The fuck man.
>>747553853SoD and Era are dead. Hardcore is niche. MoP Classic is going to just end. Anniversary was doing very well, but is literally dying overnight due to this announcement, and the chances of WotLK Anni coming are now very grim. They want Classic dead and Forever to replace it.
>>747552928then I shouldn't be able to change their skin color
>>747553890Like what?
>>747553952New story.Old raids are also being revamped with new story.
>There's still going to be a fucking layer systemLiteral mmorpg cancer. It has to go.Skyborne cashgrab is lame.Was hoping for major class/profession redesigns.Undead paladins/dwarf shamans are just stupid.Apart from that it looks alright.
>>747553857no, arthas had nothing to do with naxxramas
>>7475539521000 new quests, four new zones, and nine new dungeons to make mid-game leveling not a slog. anymore
I'm hyped
Now all they need to do is release this on Steam
>>747550483>classic players thinking they could tell the difference
I'll wait for madseason's and bald man's reactions and decide if I'll play then
>>747549529Like clockwork. Remember boys...its not that we don't want classic because its boring its that *insert pedantic reason here like shards*Embarrassing,
>>747554039>1000 new questssource?
>>747553345Didn't make it far, on the ExodarIt must be hard to drive with a squid up on your face
>>747549707>What are "The forgotten ones"
>>747549529I would prefer big fucking elven tiddies
>>747550483>acting like classic rotations use more than 5 buttons
>Hello. I'm a MM Hunter. I can macro my entire rotation to the scroll wheel and just stand in the back with my dick in my hand. People who play MM Hunters are the laziest motherfuckers. I bet it must be exhausting for them to even get out of bed and walk five steps.
>>747553998>fucking layer systemThe alternative would be impossible kill and loot quests. Like 5 people on the same quest in the same area already shut down progress.>major class/profession redesignsWhich is exactly what we are getting?
>>747550068>Asia will refuse to play HordeMan, do you know who Drakedog was? Spoilers, he wasn't a westerner. The biggest and most prominent WoW pvp players were horde playing asians.
>>747554172https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/forever
Someone at Blizzard hates these fuckers with a white hot passion that I have never felt for anything in my life. They will add 50 different elf races, and reboot WoW multiple times, before going: "give them the blonde blue-eyed elves."
>>747554196Elves at work
>>747554196>>747553610
>>747553274>>747553298They confirmed there won't be flying.
>>747554172
>>747553382>being blizzard>gives every elf some Karen hair styleIs this some kind of weird fetish?
>>747554087actually the most complicated spec to build for. hard to tell where to put those points
>>747554236one of the only good vanilla wow players. him and laintime.
>>747554087>muh complex rotation where every button does nothingi hate retail players
>>747554182Nah, they just had the fem-space goats drive it so that's why it crashed.
>>747553345>race called "sky borne">killed by a crashed aircraft>announced on 9/11
>>747554256That literally my fetish
>>747554202Is there a single dps spec in classic that isn't 2-3 buttons?
>>747554182and all the naaru say I'm pretty fly, for a draenei
>>747554301>actually defending 1 button rotationthe state of you
will the talk about the classes rebalancing during today's panel?
>>747549529Mapler bros should we be afraid?
>In independent academic research papers exploring World of Warcraft demographics—such as studies published via ResearchGate—>researchers surveying targeted player segments have found remarkably high concentrations of LGBTQ+ players. >In specific large-scale demographic surveys focused on gender and identity in WoW:>Around 49% to 51% of respondents identified as Bisexual or Pansexual.>Roughly 21% to 25% identified as Gay.>LGBTQ+ players are statistically much more likely to play spellcasters and magic users.>Priests, Mages, and Warlocks see heavy representation among queer players.>Conversely, melee classes like Warriors and Death Knights are significantly less popular.> Historically, studies note that the Blood Elf race (Horde) and Night Elf race (Alliance) have disproportionately higher popularity among LGBTQ+ players due to their sleeker, stylized aesthetics. The sample size was only several thousand, but going off the pattern/trend, we can assume it'd be similar on a larger scale probably. Grim. I'd imagine Night Elves are also popular with furries.
>>747553982New race should have also come in Night Elf body shape flavor for proper Highborne.
>>747551863gato sexo
>>747554256Sloppa thread?https://files.catbox.moe/tp3rml.png
>>747554196>>747554256>good warcraft art is so hard to come by players need to resort to AI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd7sQefO9kkyou guys think shamans are going to be any fun to play? I never played one but this looks fun as hell.
>>747554382>>actually defending 1 button rotation>the state of youHey moron doesn't retail have a button that plays the game for you? You must be stoked at the sight of these gay blue elves too, looks just like retail
>>747554417>warlocks>gayno way.
Proof that is AI or are you just being a pedophile shit-stirrer?
>>747554087This works on stationary targets without anything else happening, mages have more abilities for different situations. Several forms of CC, several AOEs, kiting when needed. Reducing all of that to that picture is being a bit dishonest.
>>747554478>Hey moron doesn't retail have a button that plays the game for youNo idea haven't touched it since the launch of shadowlands, would you be more willing to play retail now that it has a 1 button rotation like classic?
Why does it matter, blizzdrones will buy it anyway and streamers will fellate it because it makes them money? Gamers lost, greedy companies who see everything as a number won.
>>747554527no, but the idea of rotations at all is stupid, like you
I feel like a retard because I bought midnight and now I feel obligated to get KSM or else I feel like I wasted my money I don't even like the gameplay, the one thing that supposedly makes WoW better than other MMOs sucks
>>747554576so you're content with the idea of a single button, got it
>>747554312kek bravo blizzard
>>747549529>what if Draenai, but without the horns hand hooves that make them sexywhat were they thinking?
>>747554438There used to be tons of Warcraft porn, but it all dried up because no one gives a rats ass about the Warcraft setting anymore and nuBlizz has done everything in their power to make it as un-sexy as possible.In fact, it's kind of a harrowing time to be into Western fantasy in general, to say nothing of fantasy smut.
>>747549529>multi-faction race that has different racials and class availability dependent on factionokay that's fucking annoying
>Blue Elves: The Game
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>747554586Nigga yes you're retarded, and if you can't live without ksm you can just pay for it, and then quit.
>>747554382Erm lol how come when Souls games have a 1-button rotation (r1) it's okay but when WoW does it, it's not
>>747550424>High elvessoulless as fuck, the one thing Blizzard got right all these years was never giving in to the people crying for a race that was already in the game. Wanting "high elves" is like wanting Horde Humans. The race is already there you just don't want to play the faction its on.
>another paladin wearing cool holy armor in cinematic>not being forced to wear skirts as you will be in gameso disingenuous
>>747554658I lost gallons to wow smut on hentaifoundry and now there's fucking nothing, not even the furries give a damn about it oh how times change
>>747549529Did they say anything about World Buffs? Will I still be able to make copious amounts of gold as a hunter by clearing DM north and holding it open all day?
>>747554681Why is every modern game shrouded in new delhi tier smog fart gas cloudNot even a fucking remake with the same assets can escape it lmfao
>>747554681NINTENDO
>>747552601Bullshit, everytime blizz do their gay shit you call out the chinese boogeyman
>>747554771same reason they all push gaytracing instead of doing kino pre-baked lighting. devs have no talent anymore.
>>747554681That's all cow farts btw
>>747554586i know that feel bro
>>747554681thunderbluff would look so beautiful without the constant dust storms
>>747554658Nah, it's a wonderful time to be into this kind of art because you can just prompt your own. As an added bonus I don't have to see gay ass western fetishes all over them, like gay manly futas and femdom. image gen is fantastic and runs on a normal gaming GPU, basically the only good thing to come out of the AI bubble and the only practical usecase.
>>747554717>giving people a race they want which is also in warcraft 3 is soulless>making up a rainbow of new elves out of thin air to please chingchongs is not soullesskillyourself
>>747554801>no the chinks are secretly based!The entire reason blood elves exist is chinks and theyve been very vocal about this
>>747554658>he isnt commissioning porn of his characters
>>747554681Just like how I remembered it...
I wonder if the worst endgame loop in gaming history will still exist? farming world buffs so you can complete trivial content made for dial up users 30 seconds quicker
>>747554236>anon is namedropping drakedog in year of our lord 2026 to prove a point that doesnt prove his point
>>747554883If SoD is anything to go by the new raids may actually end up being hard.
>>747549813Are the Chinese goldfarming bots going to pay $30 per skyborne mage account?
>>747554039Aah yes, 1000 new instances of:>Kill 50 trolls>Thanks, now go kill 75 of the same trolls but this time fetch me their dicks (2% drop rate)I am literally shaking with excitement while shitting and pissing at the same time.
>>747554851basedI've generated so much fempanders x human men sex and some femboy panders too
>>747554805The original devs had no talent either though, WoW was a sloppy hacked together mess. It just happened to turn out good because it was soulful and a smart idea and a great IP.It's not even a matter of talent, you literally just have to uncheck the box that adds the brap gas. It's a matter of taste, there is some strain of so-called human that develops games and inexplicably prefers to design them so he can't see a thing. Like that period where all movies were extremely dark, or how shows have no audio balancing anymore. They do this shit on purpose and I can't explain it.
>>747554883oh fuck world buffs. i hope they learned from their culling of twow. twow world buffs didnt work in raids, only worked for world and dungeon content
Have they said how servers are going to work? Will we get a megaserver to force faction balance or are we going to get a pvp server where 99% of the population is horde and a different pvp server where 99% of the population is alliance because everyone wants to have a player advantage?
>>747554756>>747554658I do wonder why it fell off.... but then I remembered that they gave that long ass speech about removing problematic content out of the game(even shit like /spit/) and I guess it tracks, you know? Why keep making porn for a game that throws a fit about cleavage in paintings?Still doesn't explain why there is more porn of FFXIV OCs/main characters while WOW is relegated to just one or two OCs.
>>747552942Watch them release one Ascension class every year with the same 30 dollar price tag.
>>747554969a lot of WoW's success was just guys who liked fantasy slapping shit together because they thought it looked coolnow everythings a formula or an equation learned from a shitty education
>>747549813This argument was always retarded, they could easily "revamp" most races to have different body builds (slim, buff, etc) with different animations. There are mods of 1.12 with body sliders for breast size and other shit. They could retexture the horde girls to look less ugly, add more customization, etc. They fixed Worgen females after release in Cata this way and allowed orcs to stop hunching. The reason they copy/paste elves is because it's 0 work and they are faggots.
>>747554969>The devs weren't good, the game just turned out good because it was a good game.You are retarded
>>747554964>femboy panders toodrop a zip of them in litterbox
RMT about to ruin another version of WoW
>>747554681anti-soul gas overload my god it's just choking Azeroth out!
>>747555049he means they werent john carmack level of software engineering genius
>>747552272why Russian?
>>747554252it's liberal contrarianism, they are obsessed with making different choices to what people want to feel superior and smart
>>747555010>Blizzard is carrying over the highly successful dynamic faction lock system previously utilized in Season of Discovery and recent fresh Classic servers. This measure is specifically designed to stop servers from naturally drifting into massive, single-faction playgrounds where one side completely dominates the population.>The 55/45 Rule: The system automatically monitors the active player population on each PvP realm. It aims to keep the ratio of Alliance to Horde at roughly 55% to 45%Apparently, it's only on PvP servers though, which makes sense. It doesn't really matter if an RP server or non-PvP server is overwhelmingly Horde or Alliance.
>>747554681The god beams and shit would be cool on their own, why did they need to add the gas?
>>747555049It is possible for unexceptional people to come together for a good idea, execute a good plan, and create something good, yesit does not require talent to recognize your game looks like the planet is immersed in piss with god-rays shining down from the surface of the toilet bowl
>>747555157ah, I get it, accent
>>747555238I can get behind this statement.
>>747554851That's the point, though, right? Warcraft porn has become heavily AI and CG shit because there is no broader interest in the setting in general. The only porn you see these days are some kind of commission of someone's OC. You have to go back to the ancient cave paintings to see any examples of artists making porn of Night Elves for the love of the game.
>>747554883i don't mind preparing consumes but my friends were farming consumables or money for consumable pretty much all week every week for raid night when they played twow. And that's ignoring the world buff journey. I hope they remove or alter world buffs and HEAVILY cull how many consumable effects can stack with each other at once, if you ask me.
>>747550068No, after Arthas razed the Silvermoon and Jaina bitched about Kael'thas with high elves settling for fel as energy, and because they hate horde originally, high/blood elves should be neutral by default and they couds could perfectly work as being able to join either Alliance or Horde depending on their beliefs, because they are essentially survivors and their existence is post apocalyptic. Jaina's bitching about blood elves should have been dismissed because she's barely relevant in Alliance politics but Blizzard needed some plot armor and the rest is history.
>>747554634More like:>Ok, it's set in vanilla wow so no Dranei or Blood Elves, and we know a lot of our fanbase will be sad to not have them in. Ah screw it, make a race that combines the two so an elf race but with blue skin, make it available for both factions and call it a day
>>747549529Who is this image meant to appeal to? Trannies? It looks like something from Final Fantasy
>>747555212The official website doesn't show a ton of zone comparisons. I imagine some look better than others. Some do look good, and not every zone will be filled with anti-soul gas.
>>747555374>Jaina bitched about Kael'thas with high elves settling for fel as energywhat the fuck are you talking about, this isn't in wc3
>neutral races (that are locked behind paywall)>transmogging>store mounts>2026 models>account wide buffs like guild perksthis looks more like a retail reset than classic+
>>747555448remember how Turtle devs tried to port wow to UE and everyone laughed at them?
Do you expect Arthas will go thru another humiliation ritual or nah?
>>747555559>Forever storyline just has Ner'zhul having eaten him once he put the crown on
>>747555559? He already merged with the lich king at the end of tft, he shouldn't exist in wow at all
>>747555547And they abandoned that before they got shut down and the unreal team went on to work on it separately from turtle
>>747555547>Turtle devswere all trannies
>Setting up the Camp: Players can dynamically craft and establish fully functional campsites out in the open world. >Collaborative Buffs: Once a camp is built, other passing adventurers can stop by, sit down, and join the camp>Profession Synergy: While at a campsite, players can use their individual trade skills to contribute to the camp, crafting unique buffs and sharing benefits with everyone resting there>Social and Mechanical Rest: The system forces players to spend a brief moment at the camp together to receive these powerful, localized buffs, breathing new life into the social aspect of classic Azeroth. I guess some people will like this? Maybe people who roleplay? I guess it's a bit cozy that random players can join your campsite and can strike up a conversation with them, and you get buffs.
>>747555608guess the blizzard devs are all trannies too. i mean look at >>747549529
>>747555559Arthas becomes the Lich King by the end of Frozen Throne, so we definitely will get WotLK update but it's going to be retarded.
>>747555616how many campsites will be all chinese bots
>>747555616nice idea but unfortunately the image of the game there makes my eyes water and I never want to touch it.They really should have leaked the game systems before revealing what the game actually looks like.
>>747555597Are you pretending sneedolands didn't happen?I expect these cucks to desecrate him again.
I'm too employed to care anymore
will 4ever be "Body Type 1/2" or "Male/Female" though?
>>747555353Western art in general is heavily AI and CG because the western animation industry withered away into simplistic digital garbage, unless you have a fetish for simpsons tier shit it's a dead end. I guess there's still comic book artstyles but comics are even deader.The only alternative is more and more and more realistic rendering, kind of like vidya pushing to realism in lieu of any artistic inspiration, and ultimate AI is a cheap shortcut to rendering that doesn't require paying a commission and waiting 5 years
>>747555616If they are going to add camping they also need to add a weather system that matters and can kill you.
>>747555724
>>747555747Do you even need to ask? You know the answer.
>>747555757That's too much effort/work for Blizzard. You're going to get a happy friendship safe space camping system and nothing more.
>>747549529it's just another monkey paw wishAlliance wants High Elves and Horde still need their pretty race, but High Elves and Blood Elves have already been, they need to come up with something "new", so how about blue sky elvesHere are your Sky'dorei from Sky'thalasThat being said, I would fuck them
>>747552923Draenei is not 3rd place for ally? wtf
>>747554771>new delhi tier smog fart gas cloudJeets worship cows. Thunderbluff is cow capital.
>>747555757yeah, we need a camp because it's high noon and it's too hot to farm mobs, so we need to siesta
>>747555817>have already beenhave already been done*
>>747555616>Social and Mechanical Rest: The system forces players to spend a brief moment at the camp together to receive these powerful, localized buffs, breathing new life into the social aspect of classic Azeroth.seems like a source of consent accidents
>>747555845people prefer races with feet
>>747555616As someone who only played older wow patches, this feels so alien to me, like it's so tonally off for Warcraft. When I see this all I think of is how they're gonna get ganked sitting out in the open like that, kek. Riding around looking for allies singing gay campfire songs. If this feature were in an early expac it'd probably be like a fortified camp and you'd get points for staking it down in the world and defending it something like it's your faction's territory.Nah we're just goin on camping trips now lmaoThis is honestly a woman feature. I don't even hate women but cmon now, this is just some girly shit lets be real.
>>747555845I think it's up to their starting zone being kinda boring & the guys looking sorta weird.
>>747555845Turns out when futafags start to claim you as theirs it decreases popularity to play as.
>>747555757>>747555789I played a bit of Classic when it came out, and the playerbase were selfish, repugnant, and awful to be around. It is the main reason why I stopped. I told my friends, if people will whine and whinge this hard about nothing, I'd hate to see what happens if I get an item they want. I'll probably end up with anthrax in the mail. Then I noped out of that shit hole.I get why Blizz want to encourage more social behaviour, but after curating the biggest group of angry retards on the planet, I'm not sure it's a good idea to provoke interactions between them anymore.
can I play it without paying a monthly fee? no? then I shan't be touching it
>>747555937Play Hardcore. That's where all the nice friendly people who enjoy grouping up to clear elite mobs and often even stick around to just shoot the shit.
>>747555954needs sub and fancy elf race is paywalled
>>747555747The modern corporate atmosphere is such that any person wanting there to be male and female would have to ask for it to be male and female instead of body type 1 and 2. And I don't think anyone has the balls to do that, and if they did they would get in trouble.
>be blizzard>make World of Warcraft>advance the story and setting through expansions,>change up gameplay, add QoL shit for better or for worse, tweak mechanics>after years and massive sweeping changes, particularly the Cataclysm expansion which changed the setting dramatically, the players yearn for the OG classic experience again>release World of Warcraft Classic, the OG experience>slowly release Classic expansions that change up gameplay, add QoL shit for better or for worse, tweak mechanics>release World of Warcraft Classic Cataclysm>after years and massive sweeping changes, particularly the Cataclysm expansion which changed the setting dramatically, the players yearn for the OG classic experience again>announce World of Warcraft Forever (Classic for real this time we promise)explain this chicanery
>>747555901Not everyone plays on PvP servers or cares about PvP.
>>747556040>And I don't think anyone has the balls to do that, and if they did they would get in trouble.What if they're trans and claiming being able to play a female character instead of body 2 would help affirm their gender identity?
>>747556031I could just not pay to play Blizzard's ni hao infested anger box. Been playing ChromieCraft. Much more chill experience.
>>747554857>giving people a race they want which is also in warcraft 3 is soullessno, giving them the same race twice is soulless. they already gave you high elves, they're a horde faction, just click on "Blood Elves". Blood Elves ARE High Elves, they just changed their name to commemorate a tragedy. The few High elves that aren't in the blood elf faction are just special snowflakes NPCs who exist outside their faction.
>you know bob.. maybe the level cap is getting out of control./ it's double what the game originally released with>shit you're right, jim. Next expansion we're doing a level crunch to get everything back in line>3 expansions later, the level cap creeps ever upward
>>747555616This is basically a spin on the Survival skill from Turtle, except Turtle got rid of tents/camps because you just ended up with hordes of people sitting under tents in every zone.If you were gonna introduce camps to WoW they should be group-only and come with some sort of danger like the possibility of being raided.
>>747556118I genuinely can't fathom why anyone does this.I guess maybe if you're a solo player and you want to avoid getting ganked, but playing wow completely solo sounds like a colossal boring waste of time.
>>747556154>Nooo, you can't take Belves away from the Horde because...you just CAN'T OKAY?>Don't you DARE ask me why it was okay to take them away from the Alliance and give them to the Horde for TBC though
>>747551794Earlier this year they said they regret calling it WARcraft because its too violent of a name.
>>747556250It's not necessarily "solo" as you'll be around lots of other players who are questing, trading, exploring, and what have you. It's just up to you if you want to talk to them or engage with them. Playing on an RP server is probably more sociable and engaging, or I would think so. I never played on RP servers, but it's literally a server for people who like to RP.
>>747556259its okay if you didn't play Warcraft 3 little bro, but they explained all their reasons for leaving the alliance back then. It was a pretty bad breakup.
>>747556127fair enough, they dont really deserve money. but there are also way less bots in HC because they perma die to bot hunters.
>>747556352>NOOO, it's okay for Belves to go Horde because they explained why they left>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE LORE EXPLAINED WHY HELVES BROKE OFF FROM THE BELVES TO STAY ALLIANCE CHUD?!
>>747556292I do get all that, of course I also did that stuff, but I feel PVP is such an important part of the game, even including all the things you just said.Like when you hit the level you can enter PVP zones and you run into other people doing stuff, you are now an impromptu team that battles enemy players. You can stumble upon two guys PVPing and save your ally, form parties to push enemies out, or if your area has some aggressive enemies or it's getting raided, call for help and it's a little organic battleground. Go questing with a couple of friends, some others do the same and there are now squads organically roaming the map to attack or defend against. Or you can play the hero going to lower level zones to protect your comrades.I just can't understand wanting to disable all this, the organic world PVP is really the game's signature feature in my eyes. I imagine it'd be even moreso in RP because you get to roleplay a real war and actually fight it, the dangers beyond the cities are real, maybe even inside your city if an enemy army comes raiding.
>>747550068>Asia will refuse to play Hordewhy do white men have to care about what gooks will do in their game? literally who fucking cares???
>>747556483Blizzard wants gook money, they made an entire expantion just for them
>>747556230Should have just stayed with +5 every expansion after MoP and we would be barely at 125 in Midnight, without the need to rape the world level curve. Sadly you would still need to squish stats constantly because those fuckers fell for the exponential stats growth scam with late WotLK and then Cata, after that it was only getting worse, especially once they started treating every patch like it's a new expansion worth of stats boost that has to completely invalidate the previous patch.
>>747556389but it didn't, that's something you made up. there's like 10 "High Elves" total, and they're all just a super privileged class of rich people who can afford to snort magic items to cure their mana addiction instead of having to address the actual problems plaguing their people. They're a group of individuals, not a faction. Just like you can't play as alliance Half-orcs just because Garona Halforcen exists.
>>747556582>there's like 10 "High Elves" total[Citation Needed]
>>747552347>Satyrs would have made even less sense unless they added a 3rd Burning Legion factionSeems like the existence of the Horde should prove that you can escape the Legion. Surely it's not hard to write some lore where a single tribe of Satyr's gets sick of losing for 10k years, sees the Orcs break away from their Legion ties and go "maybe we should try that too". |It's far less lore and tone breaking than retconning the entirety of the Eredar and adding in spaceship using goats.
>>747556582>There's like 10 Helves total because THERE JUST IS, OKAY?!!!Google Silver Covenant retard
>>747556663>Silver CovenantAktually it's the Silversun Compact now chuddie
>>747554681>love the original aesthetic to death>don't want them to change it whatsoever, keep all the original models and low poly stuff>but nope gotta ruin everything with modern day lighting nobody asked forI so badly want to be excited for this but everything I see makes me less excited
>>747556273>yesterday they said they're bringing the WAR back to WarcraftHaven't seen a 360 turnaround this fast in ages
already played turtle.already know it's better than whatever blizzard's "talent" can cook up, while being f2p
>>747556663WotLK asspull. As of classic release, 99,99% of High elves are dead, or are now blood elves and therefore currently in outland.
>>747555616they literally just copied turtle
>>747556715Does getting rid of Afrasiabi so fast that they didn't even do the textures on his NPC's replacement count?>>747556757[Citation Needed]
i can't fathom still caring about wow in 2026isnt it time to break these chains and free yourself?
>when I retcon WoW to add shit nobody wants: :)>when someone asks about high elves: LORE MASTER
>>747556663>Google Silver Covenant retardalright.. Wow there's a full 100 guys in that faction! almost enough people to populate a small village. thanks for proving me right anon.
>>747556757>As of classic release, 99,99% of High elves are dead, or are now blood elves and therefore currently in outland.And what is the population of Sky Elves as of classic release, anon?
>>747553285Gnomes are near non-existent after they fucked themselves over with Gnomereggan being an irradiated shithole. Doesn't stop them from being playable.
>>747556823>Trusting the AIOh no no no
>>747556782I miss Alex like you wouldn't believe
>>747556823>SaarGPT save me SAAR!Just admit you only play belves because it's the closest you'll even get to being white, Dikjeet
>>747556757>>747556823NTA, but literally none of the "population" stuff matters when you have fucking void elves, which were supposed to be so small, they could be described as a "squad." They were literally just a handful of blood elves who shoved a tentacle up their ass and said: "hey, this feels nice."
>>747549565more like ddoswow
>>747556921>They were literally just a handful of blood elves who shoved a tentacle up their ass and said: "hey, this feels nice."I'd have accepted them if this was the actual lore and it was specifically tweaked to "a handful of female Blood Knights who forcibly had tentacles shoved up their asses
>>747556921sure, but nobody thinks void elves were good writing or a proper addition to the game, do they?Blizzard was wrong to add void elves to wow, everyone agrees on that. Blizzard would also be wrong to make a second faction of High elves. that's not a contradictory opinion.
>>747557024Sorry anon, you've irrefutably outed yourself as a smelly jeet already here >>747556823, your opinion is irrelevant
>>747551792I was never mad, considering how sexy the women are.Artists agree.
>>747556869>>747556918>G-G-G-G-GOOGLE IT>i google it>THAT DOESN'T COUNTmake up your mind bro. you're the one who suggested google as a source.
>>747557056see >>747557059using google as a source wasn't my idea.
>>747556239>>747556763camps were great, there was always a part at the gate of SW where people set up the camps, it actually had soulknowing nu-blizz and how they hate the idea of people interacting it will just be gay and lame, like all the other stuff they stole from pservers and made worse
They've pulled a full trifecta, haven't they? People hate the state of retail, classic and now Forever. Three versions of the same game to cater to three different tastes and no one's happy. Wowee.
>quest journal increased to 40i like making hard decisions and having to clear out my log when i have to decide if im going to return to a zone or not and if im going to write it down for later in my own notes or notthis is fucking gay slop for paypigs
>>747557059>>747557096You were told to cite it, not to just parrot what the shitty AI told you after googling onceAre you unironically underage?
>>747556829Unknown, which is why they do not contradict established lore.
>>747557024WE CAN RETCON OR "EXPLAIN" EVERYTHING IN THIS SHITTY GAME TO ADD WHATEVER THE FUCK WE WANTWE CAN UNDONE DECADES OF STORYTELLING TO SHOVE A FUCKING JAILER INTO THE GAME AS ITS SUPPOSED ULTIMATE 100 STEPS AHEAD GENIUS SUPER VILLAIN THAT PLANNED EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED EVERBUT GOD FORBID WE ALLOW THE ALLIANCE TO HAVE HIGH ELVES HERE ARE 10000 LORE REASONS WHY IT JUST CAN'T WORK BECAUSE.... BECAUSE FUCK YOU OK!?
>>747557181>UnknownBecause they don't fucking exist retard
>>747557059>>747556823FYI, the "100 specific NPC" stuff is just literally the amount of NPCs in the game. If we counted that as how populous a race is in WoW, all races would be ridiculously small.
High elves for the alliance, Darkfallen elves for the horde. There easy.So what you have to be pale and have red eyes. Suck it up bitch it's Horde aesthetic.
>>747557216There were no gnomes in WC3 either retard
>>747557117they have slowly inundated classic with retail shit, little by little, like adding dual spec and reducing player interaction and reducing friction from the worldthe end result is that the leftover playerbase is like a mixed broccoli hair mutt who nobody wants to associate with
>>747557059>>747557096>He's actually unironically a jeetAverage Blizzdrone spotted>>747557229Are you implying the Blizzdrone brain (or Indians in general) can comprehend that the game world is not the size of the lore world?There's even Blizzard authors like G*lden who do this>>747557269>What was the Flying Machine/Gyrocopter
>>747555616its nice and all but we all know its going to be used by hoards of people just to get the buffs then fuck off, there won't be any social aspect because people no longer interact with one another>MAX BUFF CAMP OUTSIDE SW GATE COME GET YOUR BUFFSthis is all the interaction that people will get from it
Do people just have actual PTSD from blue shadowlands people?I think sky elves can be interesting. Nightborne were also asspulled blue elves, but Suramar was one of the best zones and storylines in wow, at least post WotLK. And the elemental planes (to which the sky elves are related in case you forgot over all the outrage) has been notoriously underutilized in Warcraft.
>>747553345>>747553892This is actually awesome.
>Hello I want classic but more of what made classic good>Ok here you go>Tell me whats in it>BLOOD ELVES!>no>retail classes>no>dailies that you will need months to grind rep for!>no>lore written by our modern DEI hires! not a single person who worked on classic worked on forever>no blizzard
>>747553345>>747553892As funny as this would be, I don't think it lines up. Blue elves are over on EK.
i'll be rolling male undead arms warrior
>>747554196MADE FOR BIG HUMAN COCKS
I don't want them to retread NuWoW stuffI want them to go NUTS
>>747554316I'm a wage slave now
>>747557475what constitutes a "retail class" in your mind?because nothing shown in forever comes close to a retail class.
>>747557413Turtle had a similar system where you could set up a tent that would fill up your rested exp bar within like 5 to 10 minutes of staying in its vicinityYou would usually have people set them up in front of SW/OG or between instance runs, not the deepest system in the world but that 5 minute wait time is enough to facilitate some interaction
>>747549813Ever heard of the darkfallen? There's no need to invent some OC race
>>747553645>why western elves not just random bimbos with donkey ears
>>747557615trolling, retarded, bothpick one
The gay blue elves is for their LGBTQIA+ audience they've cultivated over the last decade.
>>747557305>What was the Flying Machine/GyrocopterDwarves. Same as the tank.
>>747557709No, those were gnomes. They had squeaky gnome voices.
>noooooo guys i swear the elves arent being added bcuz of chinkslfmao
why are people acting like warcraft 3 and original vanilla are some sort of religious texts
>>747557709Wrong
>>747557729They were dwarves with squeaky voices.
>>747554937This. What is wrong with wowfags
>>747557756No they were gnomes, just like how you're still a man, not a woman with a masculine voice
>>747557729>>747557756...?
>>747557745>Why are people acting like the established lore of previous games should be upheld?
>>747557696>A T-T-T-T-ANKING SEAL????? THE SKY IS FALLINGclassic boomers are so funny man
>>747557743In hindsight maybe attracting women to play a game called "warcraft" was not the best idea.
>>747557745>ask for classic+>get retail with a spinoffNOBODYASKEDFORTHIS
>>747557743Holy retard. westerners also hate monster races, that's the whole reason for horde belves in TBC
>>747557696nta but giving Paladins a taunt makes them a retail class? I'll agree that it reads a bit overdesigned in the retail way, but with the numbers being that low and in general functioning the same as seals/judgements do makes it rather unretaillike
how can anyone hope to recapture classic when this retarded community does nothing but bitch and moan
>>747557743a supposedly very adult and very serious person wrote
>>747557794>Googles>Big mustacheThat's a gnome retard. Now I understand why they felt the need to make it even more obvious for Reforged
>>747555039hire fanshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7ZEbEcpcvE
were taurens fanfiction when they appeared in wc3
>>747557729>>747557884https://classic.battle.net/war3/human/units/flyingmachine.shtml>Mechanical flying machine flown by a Dwarven pilot.
>>747557896billion dollar company btw
Blizzard can't turn back time and make you 15 and on summer break again
>>747557913>taurensWhy does this (alongside "worgens" or referring to individual dragons as "dragonflights") remain the best shibboleth for catching newfag troons?
>>747557797I don't get it either, but I guess its the same kind of people that want to keep running through raids with 30 other woyors while clapping each other on the back for picking the only functional class
>>747557537They're not, they're on their own elemental plane.
>>747557921>You don't understand, a DEI hire from NuBlizz wrote this so it's canon, ignore the evidence of your own eyes
>>747557928What exactly is this meant to be showing?
>>747557994Seas with actual waves encroaching on the land, though that engine mod (for WotLK and up) has a lot more features.
>>747557858Yes, paladins are not supposed to have a taunt in classic. Second, its the fact that 1 single skill has 10 things to it along with passives. Just like on retail.This is not and will NEVER be classic.
>>747557743>can't make it too OP>literally a free parachute racial>10% runspeed for the horde and 100% regen for alliance
>>747549565>classic+>1.12 clientmore like classic-
>>747557962lucky for them MC will still exist, they love running that place
>1000 new quests of retoilet designed "go to the floating marker and click shiny thing and watch a cutscene"oh man i can't wait to play ffxiv+ while barely paying attention to the zone and just running in and killing the entire camp of enemies in 1 global and absorbing some irrelevant loot because you get gear upgrades from every single quest
>>747549529An elysium-esque heaven allegory is actually quite thematic for what amounts to a fly trap/nursing home for WOW addicts who have nowhere else to go.
>>747558034Why are people so obsessed with adding ogres to the game? All experience and data from the last 20 years suggest no one would fucking play them.
>>747549813they literally could have just added in a elf race in quel'thalas more ruined/closer to undead. then just have them embrace blood elf horde and fel or high elf alliance and magic/the light.instead its void elfs 2.0 fanfic edition
Curious what the progression is going to be. Basically every mmo ends up pvp or raidlogging. If they're trying to change that it could be interesting to see.
>>747558038Ok but this is classic+. If you want classic, Classic Era is still there for you
>>747558043>blizzdrone too simpleminded to download vanillafix
>>747558038>Yes, paladins are not supposed to have a taunt in classic. fucking lmao, the absolute state of classic autists
>>747558042depending on the details, run speed would be beyond busted in pvp and 100% mana regen might make alliance skyelfs absolute bis no contest for caster classes.
>>747558092name one fun leveling quest from classic
>>747558097Because people want the factions to be fucking complete for a fantasy game. They want options, it's clearly not fucking hard to add them given they have models, near-complete animation sets and random modders can do it.If everything was decided by "who would play them" then WoW would be filled with nothing but elves and furries... oh wait!
>>747558034Ogres are on of the most played races in Everquest.
>>747558147Then go stick with retail. Its clearly the place for you, why do you want to shit up classic with your turds?
>>747558176None of the vanilla quests are fun, they're just fun with friends. WoW is the original friendslop.
>>747558038Okay then stay on era with your other brownoids and keep autoattacking MC to death
>>747558176Lost in Battle
>>747549529You just know the dev team is full of trannys still when they come out with this shit
>>747558176defias chainname 1 fun leveling quest from retoilet
>>747558097they look like me... they're built like me...
>>747558132>retard too retarded to realize mods can't fix all 1.12 client problems
>>747558128>classic+ means retail slop is a givenwhy is this strawman repeated all over by blizzdrones? did some big eceleb say this?
>>747558268Not... yet.https://github.com/samwhosung/benilla
>>747558181They want options that they are never gonna actually use????
>>747558239sitting waiting on the spawn to tag the messenger is fun? damn im playing a different game i guess
>>747558284lol
>>747558268>all 1.12 client problemsname all the ones vanillafix doesn't solve i knew it, you can't, retard
>>747558204Blizzard clearly doesn't agree with you
>>747558291People clearly play orcs and tauren, I don't see why they wouldn't play ogres.
>>747557896>scale is 85 to 140who is this retard that can't into numbers
>>747558247In a certain way I can respect her not falling into the escapism trap and playing a super model
>>747558204have you seen prot paladin in classic era? just wondering what you're trying to preserve here
>>747558310>waiting on the spawn of an NPC with multiple spawn points you are retarded, retail is made for you
>>747558336Americans will do anything but use a metric system
>>747558291>he really thinks nobody would play shit like ogres or nagaabsolute peak delusional copethe reason why nobody uses the retail "options" is because they're:>a fucking diaper gnome>5 flavors of troll>7 flavors of elf>recolors of the main races
>>747558279If even simply giving pally a taunt is not in the spirit of what you think classic+ should be, then what would be OK?
>>747558313>he thinks blizzard is hiring a single programmer that doesn't use AI codersyou adorable, sweet summer child
the upside of introducing these blue elf guys is that it is an avenue for entirely new lore and direction. high elves and blood elves would be constrained by established lore.
>>747558370Nevermind that the mods showcase the ability to customize your characters (including breast size and other shit), if you can just implement that and some alternative animations, maybe prettier textures and such and you could already make other races more popular. The reason Blizz doesn't is cause they are lazy fags
>>747558357he has one spawn point retard, classic larper
>>747558429point to any modern lore that is worth caring about
>>747558408Giving Warriors Super Mortal Strike that just kills everything in one hit, zug zug
>>747558408im not the person you were arguing with, i'm just wondering why you people always have the same strawman argumentalso, if you want my ideas, then paladin in ascension was pretty cool. for example you only got the real divine shield at lvl 40 or something, so i feels way more rewarding than to get it at lvl 16 or whenever.
>>747558097All experience and data from the last 20 years didn't stop Blizzard from adding diaper gnomes, earthen dwarves, the retarded troll/elf hybrid haranir, and gay dragons
>>747558440where is that 1 fun retoilet quest, retard who can't find defias messenger kun?
>>747558525>gay dragonsAs opposed to?
define "true classic" right now
>>747558525t-those don't count, they added ELVES (five times) so they clearly know what WoW players want
>>747558594Warmane private server, Lordaeron realm.
>>747558495That was always the case, maybe the exact levels are off, but you used to get the version where you couldn't attack while immune first and then later on the improved version
They should re-release OG classic every year. I can't stand the thought of people enjoying classic+ while I angrily post on the internet while idling in Ironforge
>>747554316AI coded art
>>747558650Thanks anon, I'll tell Blizzard so they can send the C&D
>>747558585This.Or just don't add a strictly "humanoid dragon" race at all when you already established dragons taking the form of other races as a disguise. Evoker could be just a new class for old races, with combat form adding horns and maybe wings/tail, similar to how dragon aspects already looked in game with their humanoid forms. It's not really that hard.
>>747558725If they absolutely HAD to make 'Dracthyr' a thing, it still should have purely been a class where the chosen race is their visage form.
>>747558583why would i argue with a larper that just pretends to play a game
Orc will stand up straight now or what?
>>747558653the point is, there are many ways to add classic adjacent mechanics as changes, instead of retail adjacent changes. in SoD which is what this shit looks like, every class got access to AoEing 3-5 mobs per pull while lvling at lvl 20 and the powercreep made the whole game feel like you are just playing retail and mindlessly running around oneshotting enemies or nuking camps in a 4 globalslike just a random idea, let rogues blade flurry lice SnD, 5 sec for 5 combo points, a little more or something. you now essentially introduce pulling 2 mobs, the same way warriors cna cleave 2 mobs at a time when lvling after pooling rage. it adds a little bit of depth without completely shitting on class identities or power creeping everything to shit.>>747558829ive played since 2005
>>747558495it starts with paladin taunt and then it goes to mages being healersfuck off and stay on retail
>>747558860Orcs being hunched had unfortunate racio-demographologic implications
>>747558939>Obsessing over the paladin taunt when Blizz is adding Haranir, Air Edition to the game>>747558939Mages heal on retail now?
>>747558939you literally couldn't make this shit up manclassic autist retards are up in arms that a tanking spec for paladin is getting a tauntjust insane behaviour, thank fuck they didn't listen to you guys
>>747559071YOU are the one obsessing over how paladins are the only ones being changed completely ignoring the fact ALL classes are getting wotlk talent trees with full on retail talents an apparently you dont have eyes either if you dont see the image in the OPWhat part of this says "classic+" to you? Its a retail with a 2nd blue elf race
>>747558993>Mages heal on retail now?They do in SOD.
>>747558917From the talent trees the only specs that seem to be vastly changed are the hybrids that were fucking terrible in actual vanillaYour sacred Warrior is practically unchanged and probably will still be one of the best classes by nature of itemization being based on VanillaI really don't get what Classic+ would mean to people like you because wanting to keep the same tiny pool of viable specs seems retarded to me
>>747559296you clearly don't understand what classic (or retail) adjacent design is, no point having this convo
>>747559408Have you actually looked at the new talent trees? The absolute most modern one I can find is Enh which includes stuff they got in WotLK
>>747558284looks decent, i like that they actually experiment with mods already so you can see people trying out different rendering and lighting systems instead of just adding gas to every environment.
>>747559526original
>>747559296I was hoping for every class to be radically changed
Is there going to be new professions or will everyone be running engi and mining still
>>747557696>paladins tanking is le retailjust how mind raped are classic andies lmfao
>>747558038it was never meant to be a carbon copy of classic you drooling retardif you want to play the same game over and over again, go play classic era
>>747558313Every single github project in the last year used claude. You can just hide claude as contributor, it doesn't prove anything.
>>747557696>>747558038Every classic+ server (turtle, asc, epoch) had paladin taunt. it's absolutely a feature people want in classic+.If you're mad about it, you simply don't want classic+. just stay on vanilla servs and shut the fuck up
>>747554279Wow sometimes that remembers Laintime.I climbed up to rank 14 while listening to his videos on repeat.Best year of my life.
>more elves
