Time to settle this once and for all.Masterpiece or Pretentious Garbage?
>>747550680Worst game I ever played that I couldn't stop playing.
>>747550680The gameplay isn't interesting enough to be a masterpiece, and the only people who use the word "pretentious" are idiots. Rounds out to a good-great game worth playing.
Masterpiece
>>747550864Is that fucking Mamoru Oshii. Alright now I'll play this game.
neither. it's just good game
>>747550864yeah maybe I'll play this
Game's good, story sucks. Typical A Hideo Kojima Game
>>747550680Both. Like Mario and Princess Beach.
>>747550680It's evangelion with walking instead of mechsWe were robert
>>747550680I finished it but I didn't have fun. It wasn't even pretentious, just not interesting at all.
>>747550864that's from death stranding 2kojima went full retard on 2
>>747550680Boring ass mediocre shit game, no wonder why Troony kick out Kojizzma.However...The music was fucking S tier, I discovered Low roar with this piece of shit game... I might have never give that band a chance of it wasn't for endlessly walking with the that soundtrack in the background.So yeah... Thank you Kojimbo.
>>747551090You're not supposed to have fun.
>>747550864I can't even tell if this is real or not, Kojima really is just that weird
>>7475506801 was more interesting but 2 was more fun
>>747551036100% but it's better than Eva because where Gendo is a fucking weirdo loser, Unger is a man who tried to do everything right.
>>747550680This game works best if:>you are open to novel experiences>you can immerse yourself in the world>can understand what is being said, piece the puzzles together>dont know absolutely nothing of the game, and of Kojima>completely fresh playthrough of the first, going in blindI liked 1, the prologue dragged a bit then the main area was a lot better. The lore of the world was brand new.Playing the second, it just doesn't hit the spot. Used the truck with auto-collector and around halfway I was saying "please wrap it up!".
>>747551384>>747551180
>>747550864This shit may be ridiculous but the production is far beyond anything else in AAA gaming, bravo Kojimbo.
>>747551525I had lots of fun with 2. If neither was fun I wouldn't play them
No question
>>747551458>>can understand what is being said, piece the puzzles togetherGood thing they explain every little thing to death to the point of it getting exhausting.
>>747550680It's not a masterpiece. But it doesn't need to be. I still had a lot of fun with it.
>>747550680It's pretentious as fuck but not quite garbage. It's kind of an interesting experiment. I didn't hate playing this but I wouldn't call it good. I put in the category of games like Silent Hill 4, it's not a great game or even a great story really but it has a lot of interesting and unique ideas in both parts.
The world just wasn't ready for the RRR rescue saga
>>747550680What's so pretentious about itDo you even know what that word meansThere's a lot of good words to describe this stupid game, how about you stop making threads until you've acquired some sort of basic education beyond being babysat by tiktok videos
>>747551820I think it's a good story informed by great themes of connection (bridges). Sam resolves to keep the parent and child connection going that has moved humanity along to this point. He didn't care about anything, but by the end of the game he sees through memories that Unger, despite effectively causing all of this, tried his hardest to remain connected to his family, and that ultimately that's the highest virtue worth striving for (besides patience).
>>747550680If this game had come out at least five years earlier it would have been considered a /v/core game. But it came out after MGS V when this site decided Kojima wasn't cool anymore.
>>747551947I still laugh every time I see that dialog
>>747552426To be fair MGSV's story is really flat and it ends up being a thank you to the player for playing Metal Gear.
>>747550680Pretentious garbage like every jimba game after mgs2
flawless masterpiece im afraid
>>747550864Why don't he just make a movie/show
>>747552543This is something I never understood, he could've made hundreds of low budget movies with all the money he has blown on 7/10 games.
>>747552426Movie gear fucking sucks and only popular because of gayass memes
>>747551947100% of the time I've found the word "pretentious" simply to be code for>I didn't like this>>747552616I'm more interested in why he doesn't just make small games with literal who actors. Kojima's worst flaw, by far.
>>747552663it means it thinks it's more important than it is. everything about hideo kojima is pretentious. everything he's ever done is pretentious. you need to look of meanings of words bigger than chud
>>747552663My big issue with that word is 90% of the time the fag using it is LITERALLY being pretentious. And they're usually "critiquing" some lowbrow shit like a video game. Like holy shit, complete lack of self awareness.
>>747550680Story was bas. Gameplay was decent.It's like Truck Simulator but gamified so it feels like there's a point to the game instead of it being an unending simulator. It feels good to play, and it deserves credit for attempting something unique as AAA.Overall it's no MGS but it's overhated, but at the same time fans overrates it.
>>747552757Neither Metal Gear, nor MGS2-4 (didn't finish Peace Walker because I didn't like it) nor Death Stranding affect more importance than they are. They are video games with focuses on story, which does not mean pretentious. I couldn't tell you if Kojima is pretentious, don't know him. >>747552852Preaching to the choir.
>>747552908I'm not even gonna dignify this with a response.
>>747550680DS1 is really great if you accept it for what it is and just play along. DS2 is just a mistake and should've never been made.
>>747553053That's alright. I hope you have a good day.
>>747550864is this a good use of big name stars?
>>747552663This. The trailer makes it feel like the game is artsy, but if you actually play the game the narrative is pretty straightforward, even more so than MGS.imo story has its issues, but being pretentious is the least of its problem, in fact I thought it was the opposite. Characters only talking in in−universe lingo was headache inducing that it sometimes felt like I was watching a cheap sci-fi Netflix show. I just wish the game allowed itself for more mystique instead of over explaining things with made-up sci-fi terms.
>>747550680>>747550680both
>>747552616thats just cope he knew he's not cut it to be a real movie director hence hiding behind shitty game cutscenes
>>747550680both games are pretty good, both over- and under-rated for sheer virtue of the name of their creator. Second game has better open-world gameplay with more to do and more options for combat, first game has a more coherent story. If you're fine with games being fucking weird you might enjoy them. desu the fact that it makes this board seethe so much is probably a ringing endorsement of its own kind
>>747553303Good thing Norman Reedus is a B-tier actor that's relatively affordable to cast
>>747553336All I remember is that wicked exposition dump at the end, that shit was egregious. Kojima shouldn't be so desperate for people to understand the plot. He could afford to be...dare I say it, more pretentious. Like those movie directors he idolizes.I've always thought he was better at making weird quirky gameplay than stories, though MGS has had plenty of interesting plot points throughout the series they were often told very poorly.
>>747550680Masterpiece.I did not play the second one because I wanted to keep the DS1 memory intact.
I shat on DS a lot before finally playing it, and the game genuinely is top 3 most memorable and interesting game of the last 7 years. I didn't play DS2 yet though though
>>747552616>This is something I never understoodprobably because you have no job and no reputation and you don't understand how things work and you're probably autistic too
>>747550680I get very autistic about seeing a collectable item and not being allowed to take it with me. so I spent a lot of time shuffling with way too much crap on my back. To the point I got bored and stopped playing.
>>747553303absolutely yes, 5-star your reputation with pizza man in the second game to discover why.
>>747554145Understandable, I struggle a lot with my crippling lootgoblin tendencies. But there's a whole progression system to enable hauling around more shit so its unfortunate you didn't get further.
>>747550680Funny, I just platinum'd it a few hours ago.What a weird game, there's about 15% of it that is absolute kino, and the rest is complete shit, and yet people like it.Game is great if you rush the story. Discovering new land is the best part of the game. But farming stars with all locations is the most tedious, repetitive shit ever, and that's the vast majority of the game.The ending is also the worst ending of all times. You have to sit for over an hour and just listen to a charater talk and say absolutely NOTHING, with big pauses, and no way to skip it.BTs were a fantastic concept, but end up being the most irritating shit in the game. They end up being the most stupid thing ever made : instead of sneaking like intended, you get grabbed on purpose, then just walk out of the area and bam, the area is cleared. Now you can take your truck and go through it unbothered.Structure degradation is possibly the worst aspect of the game. I bet there's a mod that removes it and that would made the game two times better. Ridiculous to farm for 50 hours to create roads and ziplines, only to see them destroyed. There's no way to quickly and easily repair them either.For some reason the game tells you about every player sctructures failing. After 20 hours of gameplay, every 2 seconds you get messages of every color spamming "a postbox near the junk dealer has become damaged!". What the fuck were they thinking.The game starts amazing, and then the story immediatly becomes the most retarded thing. Amelie is the most disgusting, hateful character I've ever seen in my life, and for some reason Sam wants her pussy so bad.And finally, 50% of the entire game is mountains. You had fun for half the game? Well now your entire game will be snow and slowly walking in it and slipping everywhere, with no vehicule usage. Forced to make a huge zipline network, and now you spend your last 20 hours doing nothing, just spamming A and watching your character fly through the air.
Masterpiece and I am unbiased because I've never played mgs
>>747550864the kinoing has come toToo bad it's on jizzstation 5.
>>747554436>Forced to make a huge zipline network, and now you spend your last 20 hours doing nothing, just spamming A and watching your character fly through the air.And then they made DS2 where terrain is flat as fuck for the most part and where vehicles grip to fucking 90 degrees surfaces.
>>747550680> An industry icon announcing a new IP after leaving the company which made him famousDeath Stranding 1 is hard to judge without considering the marketing and story behind Kojima during that time (especially after releasing MGSV in that state). It is pretty much an original AAA indie game at the end of the day. The gameplay is not as refined as it should and could have been but the intention of making a delivery simulator is there. The story reeks of Kojima's Hollywood celebrity fetish because he thinks his writing warrants these performances but I think the actors themselves don't even believe that. Atmosphere, tone and general vibe are world-class though and something that very few creators can create. And for all the 'movie-game' critique that Kojima receives, DS1 has more proper gameplay than 90% of games releasing today.
Never played it and unlikely I ever will. Nothing about it that made me interested, same as with the MGS tripe.
>>747554436>Amelie is the most disgusting, hateful character I've ever seen in my life, and for some reason Sam wants her pussy so bad.Amelie is cursed to bring about the end of the world. She is an extinction event personified. She is not bound by time the way humans are, and so was able to try and influence Sam when he was young (grooming heh) to become a man who could stop her. She doesn't want to do what she does, but she literally doesn't have a choice. Kojima is asking>What if the end of the world didn't want to end the world? It's a very neat idea and I think he did it better than anyone else could have, because most people would have copped out and made her death instead of the-end-of-all-things.
>>747550680Pretentious masterpiece
>>747550864Ok nice kung fu. Where's my Sleeping Dogs 2? Kojimbo should direct it
>>747550680It's a live action anime, so it's an acquired taste.
>>747554436>zipline spamFor me it was driving trucks up vertical mountains and succeeding through sheer persistence
>>747552624>I love penus wenus in my colon
>>747550864kojima must be the dumbest “writer” ever
>>747550680A prophetic masterpiece.
>>747550864This could've been decent if they weren't moving like arthritic centenarians with slow-mo and had object collision.
>>747551947This face scan shit just looks so off, the muscles in your entire face move when you talk, not just the mouth area.
>DS1Kino and basically perfect for what it is>DS2Gay as fuck CoD/MGS:V tier gameplay design with a forced cuck plot narrative that turns out to not actually be cuck shit but since the protag was willfully a mega cuck it still looks terrible on him. Although mechanically all of the structures were improved upon and the road system improved but overall a vastly inferior narrative that damages the ip's story as a whole.
>>747550927Its from DS2, the sequel.
It's good. It's just a genuinely unique game that isn't scared to break the mold of what a AAA game "is", and for that alone its good. It's merits far outweigh its flaws. That's also the reason why the second game isn't as good. Even though, IMO, it might on pure technical merits be better in every aspect, it really is more or less just the first game again. It's rehashing an established formula.
>>747550680>KojimaPretentious garbage, just like the Yakuza series.
>>747550680The first game is great. Leaves you wishing there was a bit more horror stuff but overall its just a better MGSV.Bafflingly its followed up by Kojima's worst game. I can only assume Sony stepped in to make it more normie friendly so the ghosts barely exist, you spend most of the game in a truck on a road so the obstacles dont exist and theres way more shooting for shootings sake and ultimately the game has nothing to say.It went on to sell like 30% of what the first did and thats deserved. I honestly think the tagline "should we have connected?" was Kojima talking to Sony.
>>747554436>mountains>not funThey're the best part of the game. DC even gives more options like jump ramps, love using them in the mountains. Stabilizer level 3 is also a thing. Making the mountains your bitch with the tools you have at your disposal is great>>747554606>vehicles grip to fucking 90 degrees surfaces.That was already the case in 1, they didn't change vehicle physics at all. But the terrain wasn't entirely flat, I had a lot of fun driving vehicles where you're not supposed to. Meanwhile in 2 there's clear paths made for vehicles and hardly any challenge from the terrain
>>747550680The best soulslike game.
>>747550680I think the first one is a 10/10 game but only if you play it at the right time. i played it after my friend group fell apart and the loneliness and desolation was 10/10.Tried to replay it now life is good and I couldn't be bothered.Haven't played 2 yet, heard it's retarded.
>>747553928>Like those movie directors he idolizes.So just remake a directors cut with lon-ass explanation for the plebs later?
