Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 is ultimately a story about grief and letting go. Verso’s ending captures that beautifully: destroying the Canvas means accepting that some things cannot, and perhaps shouldn’t, be preserved forever. It’s bittersweet rather than triumphant, forcing the Dessendre family to face reality and mourn instead of endlessly rewriting their loss. Painful, beautiful, and fitting, it asks whether loving someone can sometimes mean finally letting them go.It is time we apologized.
>>747562521You're about to get 500 brown shills telling you your opinion is wrong.
People who went for the Verso ending don't understand Maelle's perspective.
>>747562521aren't you super late with this review. i agree, its a good analogy for addiction/dependence and a good filter to find out if someone grew up sheltered or is just evil (they pick maelle).
>>747562672I just beat it a few hours ago and I needed to gather my thoughts.
Yeah, it's an okay movie but dogshit game.
>>747562521Verso is a fag, therefore any ending that causes him to suffer is correct.
>>747562521>8 million x $50 = $400.000.000 in like 1 year and a halfCongrats on making as much money as a gacha game in 3 months I guess.
>>747562664People who went for the Maelle ending can ONLY understand Maelle's perspective.
>>747562916Gacha games take more than 10M to make
>>747562916Why would a gachashitter feel threatened enough to make this post?
>>747563143>brag about numbers>get btfo >"w-why did you btfo??"Dude...
Maelle could've had her cake and eaten it too if she gave Renoir the ultimatum that she'd kill herself if he destroyed the canvas, but would help him restrain Aline from reentering and kick her out again should she do so again before she's healthy enough to visit temporarily (a day or two at a time, at most)
>>747562664That's called being white.
>>747562596there's only like 3 browns here but they make a LOT of racket
>>747563402Recontextualization is a skill subhumans like you can't even fathom.
>>747562521GOMMAGE LMAOOOOOOO I cri evry tiem ;_;
>>747564803Her staying in the canvas WAS effectively killing herself, so her necking herself would just speed up the bad end.
>>747562521Parryslop
>>747565801The whole point of a suicide threat is to have a solution where you don't have to commit it. If Renoir agrees to the plan, the canvas stays up, Alicia lives, Aline lives and down the line they can schedule visiting hours for Aline or some shit so she doesn't woman moment out again. what a fucking bitch
>>747564845>lack of empathy, the sole reason why niggers are able to hurt innocents, is called "being white"
>>747565834>t.
>>747562521>Expedition 33 is ultimately a story about grief and letting gounless you choose the other ending
>>747563143>gachashitters>actual peopleYou are implying they have emotions.
>>747565834
>>747566001BAAASED
>>747562596Someone has to bump the Aerith thread from page 10
>>747562596Kek
>>747562719why on earth would you ever try to have a positive opinion of something on this board?
>>747566158That's a good point.
>>747563402Ok. And casinos make more money than your favourite gacha. Feel blown the fucked out yet?Gachas are no more videogames than slot machines.
>>747562521Quitw white.
>>747562916>doesn't countLol e33 fags didn't like this trvke.
>>747562521Game explicitly tells that a situation where everyone dies is vile.
>>747562521I killed the faggot and made a puppet of his retarded corpse. Maelle won.
>>747562664>People who went for the Verso ending aren't psychopathic.
>>747562521how do people still not understand what is good and what is evil in this game ffs
>>747568436the vast majority of e33 posters, including the ""fans"" have not played the game and cannot engage with the story past a surface level. There's a reason the only discussion the game gets on /v/ is surface level ending discussion(literally the weakest part of the game).
>>747562521>>747562664>MAH VERSO>MAH MAHELLEThe entire family are faggots and deserve as much suffering as possible. No one should have the right to create life and then destroy it because of family drama.Verso ending is Lindsay Clancy adjacent.
>>747565737You seem like the sort of retard who started seal clapping when Epic Bandages Man from Fallout said The Hecking Line
>>747568627Verso had postpartum psychosis and was on a cocktail of prescription medication that turns out he shouldn't have been prescribed?
>>747562521I think the big issue with Verso's ending is that the Canvas is actually itself a living, breathing world. Think of it like this: Say I always went to a pizza place with my brother, and then he died. Would it be healthy to show up to the pizza place and start treating one of the other patrons as my brother? Obviously no. Should probably stop going to that pizza place. But it's *also* not healthy to toss a molotov through the window and burn the pizza place to the ground so I can never go back there, killing all the people inside. Yes the family should almost certainly never go back to the Canvas. But the Canvas isn't just for them. It's for all the living, breathing beings that call it home. I don't think either ending is a "good" one.
>>747562521All the Dessendre are selfish cunts. And Verso has no right to make the final choice even if it´s the best for Alicia. People main argument for Verso is that the painted people are not real; which is relative to if you consider the painted ones mere depictions or if you consider the Dessendre gods and the painted ones their creations. Many creation myths make it so that humans are created out of clay so an argument could be made for paintings not being that far off.But i digress, my point is that those that for those that argument that the painted ones are not real there are two implications. One is that they are not really alive, the other that as mere depictions they have no right to make decisions for those that are. Add to that that Verso is not like most depictions. Most paintings on Verso´s world are an expression of himself so naturally Ciel is based on Aline, Lune is based on Clea, Monoko is based on Monoko and so on. All of them carry Verso´s soul in some way, they are an expression of it. The Verso we meet does not, he was created by Aline. He can choose to sacrifice the world and to align with the Dessendre because he doesn´t belong to neither world. He masquerades as a noble savior but in the end all he wants is to disappear himself. >TL;DR You see the irony right? If he is real then everyone else is real so it would be genocide and if he is not real he has no right to make the choice for Alicia even if it is the choice that would be best for her. Unfortunate as it may be the choice is hers and hers alone.
>>747569779Personally, I think the ending ultimatum is kind of forced. The entire conflict could have been resolved by Maelle simply coming and going from the Canvas at regular intervals. In hindsight, maybe get canvas twist was a mistake and it should have been about time travel or alternate dimensions instead.
>>747570032>The entire conflict could have been resolved by Maelle simply coming and going from the Canvas at regular intervals.Everyone was ok with this EXCEPT Maelle. Verso figured this out which is why the final conflict happens.
>>747562521>we have Valermy at home
>>747562664People who went for the Maelle ending don't understand literature or art.>>747563020Well put.
>>747562664based
>>747565978>Immediately goes to racism, showing he has no empathy and his hypocrisyYep, sounds about white.
If you chose Verso you're evil. Point blank.
>>747562521Verso's ending is a social experiment to test how easy it is low emotionally manipulate the low IQ conformist masses into genocide if you're presenting it in a charismatic enough manner.Basically the hitler test, and as we've seen throughout history, about 50% of people fail it.
>>747573608You're choosing the lesser of two evils. None of the options are objectively good.
>>747573537That's a reply to a post that was racist as well. Don't change the subject.
>>747563020>>747571723As someone who prefers Maelle's ending, I understand Verso and Renoir's position/points of view perfectly. The problem with the discourse around this game is that people like you see things in very black or white and then claim everyone else is doing so. Its easy to see why Renoir and Verso feel the way they do. They see Aline and Maelle both losing themself to fantasy and escapeism due to the grief of what happened to the real Verso. Obviously escapism and denial is not a healthy way to cope with trauma, and its unclear if therapy even exists in the world they live in at this period. That being said, the moral conundrum of the story is not just about the suffering and escapism of these 2 people. It is also about the lives and souls of the painted people who were brought into existence without being asked and who have their own hopes, dreams, memories, and yes even souls.The obvious answer to the moral dilemma is that there IS no right answer because no matter what choice you make, its completely fucked up. One choice has Maelle fall further into escapism and you see her forcing the memory of her brother play piano for her as a metaphor for how he has become a puppet of hers. But the other choice wipes out hundreds if not thousands of legitimate sentient people.It is a trolley problem, it is not meant to have a clear cut and easy answer. The people who think it is an easy answer legitimately cannot empathise with a teenage girl who has basically lost everything, will be ugly forever, and whos only real way of being truly happy is to escape into a fantasy world where people actually do care for her.
>>747569779Congratulations, you're a healthy adult who realized that life is full of greys, morally ambiguous choices and often times no solution is all that well.Which means you're in the minority of this game's fanbase and people on this board.
>>747562596lmao fpbp
>>747563020No, I undestnad Lune's perspective, Sciel's perspective. They don't deserve to die because Verso wants to end it all, especially considering the original verso consented to the creation of the painting.
>>747574747Kys chud.
>>747562596Not to mention the bots
>>747562521That's why it's such a great JRPG
>>747562784trvke
>>747573728Bro they already did the Milgram experimentThe ending boils down to which flavor of suffering you enjoy and boy let me tell you a bunch of painted people suffering in abstract pales in comparison to letting Maelle twist in the wind knowing her own brother killed himself rather than let her be happy
>>747562521It's a story about how if you want to make a game just have a daddy who's a multimillionaire and he'll pay for a game studio and an army of indian shills to astroturf your slop
>>747562521If you didn't go for Verso you are a brown latinx manchild
>>747562521Based and Versopilled.
>>747562521JRPG faggots still have not recovered.
>tfw your world is about to go extinct but you see his BVC (Big Verso Cock)
>>747570032>The entire conflict could have been resolved by responsible use of heroin in moderationI think the bigger problem with the plot is that it depends on the impossibility of securing a relatively small physical object so that neither a middle aged woman nor a cripple can get to it, which doesn't exactly seem like an insurmountable problem.
>>747562521More I think about it the more I think the ending dilemma was poorly conveyed, if not poorly written. I think the writers genuinely meant for there to be no 'good' ending, yet Maelle's is clearly framed more negatively. They also clearly needed to go harder on establishing that the painted world residents have souls since much of the fanbase either didn't realize that or actively deny it for the sake of framing Verso's ending as a golden ending.
>>747562916Don't forget they probably spent way more money than that in marketing and shilling the game.They had a fucking movie in works before the game even released, it's the most pushed game ever.
>>747578801https://youtu.be/yD5mQ7sGaPM?t=1035
>>747562596How come newfags are obsessed with random colors?
>>747578824>probablyThey probably spent 10 dollars making the game. Or maybe not.>They had a fucking movie in works before the game even released, it's the most pushed game ever.Still lying even though you've heard the explanation so many times. For what purpose?No movie was in the making and most likely no movie IS in the making even now. Story Kitchen is a company that makes movies, yes, and they buy rights before games even release just in case those games will become big later. They do it to get the rights while they're still cheap. In most cases they get those rights and sit on them without doing shit.You can see some of their "projects" below. Try to count how many of those movies were actually released.https://www.story-kitchen.com/projects
why couldn't nu/v/ handle his kino?
>>747579121I'm still convinced that if Gustav had lived he could have been the key to an actually good ending. Hell the best way the devs could address the various issues with Maelle's ending would be by having Gustav find some solution.
>>747578442jej
>>747562521>Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 is ultimately a story about grief and letting go.>With a side of Asian woman writing about generational trauma
>>747580141Absolutely. He was better family to her than the people outside.
Why is it so hard for developers to write decent characters for their RPGs?
>>747578801For a lot of people Maelle's ending "feels" like it should be the right choice so they are a little more heavy handed in showing how it's wrong. I think the fact that so many people both pick maelle's ending and try to say it's the "right" choice means they did at least a pretty good job of making it grey.
>>747574154>It is also about the lives and souls of the painted people who were brought into existence without being asked and who have their own hopes, dreams, memories, and yes even souls. As a Versochad, I agree. They all have a right to live.>But the other choice wipes out hundreds if not thousands of legitimate sentient people. But the thing is that it doesn't. Those people were already wiped out.
>>747580583>"Why yes, I totally won't get addicted to the painting like my mother and I surely won't use it to escape reality!">People think this is the better endingAre they retarded? Yes, none of the endings are good but how is the ending in which you give a teenager magical heroin so she doesn't have to face her grief the right choice?
>>747577680Thank God I did!
>>747580583I think people who choose Maelle's mainly just like Lune, Scielle etc. more than they do the Dessandre family. But otherwise it's definitely seems more grim on the surface. I mean it literally has a scare cord.>>747580801This is actually the best argument for Verso's ending; at that point you're only really killing the rest of the party. But most Versofags are too busy simping for Verso to even consider that, which is ironic given they are the first to call Maellefags simps.
why didn't he simply tell the truth on the beach?
>>747581165He was too based
>>747581165He's done this fifty or sixty times already. Eventually you just start mashing the Skip Dialog button.
>>747581165The truth hurts.
>>747579273t. thin skinned brown fingers
>>747581165Why should he? You treat them nice and they turn on you eventually anyway. Besides, they wouldn’t turn back anyway
Maelle's choice:>avoid the actual problem, let it fester, play pretend and in the end it becomes destructive and eventually all is lost anywayChadverso's choice:>don't run away and hide from the problem, take the hit, the greater initial pain, slowly recover and move on.. it will healchildish/feminine vs adult/male
>>747584882Maelle let Verso age so he would have died in the painting with very little time passing in the real world. She would have been fine.
>I'm going to kill your friends. Then your family. I'll make you watch your brother die just in case it might inconvenience me. After that, I'll lecture my father about the meaning of family before I kill him too. And I'll lie to you about everything: their action, their purpose. Because explaining the truth is hard, and I'd rather you unknowingly destroy your home town, loved ones and comrades. Remember my sister? She wants peace, she believes we can talk things through. She wrote me a letter full of hope, one that I'll never share. I'll convince her not to kill herself, all while making her life so miserable that staying would be the crueller option. I had one hundred years to accept these memories of this man I never was. Even though you all support me as my own person, I'll still everyone in Lumière. You forgive me, again, for everything, so I'll hesitate. Briefly. But Alicia once lied to Renoir after having 16 years of chaos injected into her brain, so naturally I must now kill you all. Clearly there were no alternatives. Now... Suicide. It is morally grey, and totally for her. I mean, you saw what happened to Aline? The Dessendre tried nothing, and it didn't magically work out. So that's proof, right? It has to be. Otherwise I'd have to think back on the time I gaslit and killed my girlfriend over a minor misunderstanding I didn't even try to explain. I guess we'll never know who is right. There is just endless fog. Ambiguity. And a piano.
>>747562664this whole plot is such a dumpster fire the verso ending might have been justifiable but only after going the Maelle route and her eating somer bitter pills in her delusional reality. instead its just corny determinism for a whack af shit dichotomy.
>>747581165In that beach landing scene, I initially thought he was a much older copy of gustave because he looks similar to him. Soi I thought the game would have time travel story elements
>>747584882>"avoid the problem" you mean like murdering all the painting people who share the exact same subjectiviy the "real" people have with zero distinguishing features except that they are in a "painting" whose properties are due to "magic" which has zero distinguishing features to the real world the family is in ? this shit is so fake and netflix tier in writing. and that corny azn woman behind this plot even parades around how she is a book reader. just pathetic.
>>747585837you're faceblind. they look nothing alike.
>>747585837thank god your retarded VN-tier idea was wrong
>>747562916half that because of taxes and store fees.still, not bad.
>>747562521>>747562664If you picked Maelles ending then you would:-side with Madara Uchiha and live in his Infinite Tsukuyomi-side with Uta and live in Utas world-side with Dr. Maruki and live in his reality-believe that being a drug addict is ok
>>747562521>and letting goNot according to Maellefags, it isn't
>>747586558you are an imbecile bcs you dont understand that Maelles actual character development arc begins once she makes that decision. its the other corny option that is the delusional ending about hwo you just chose to overcome like its a button press.
It'd be kind of weird if Verso got the 1up on Maelle in a chapter 3 named after Maelle, wouldn't it?
Verso vs Maelle predicted the Lindsay Clancey trial
>>747586558Maruki's world has no downsides (that are shown at least, it never even attempts to show what happens when people have a conflict of interests)
>>747587226>a world where someone has made all your decisions for you and nobody ever gets to live their own livesI hate having freedom too
>>747580360That’s not what generational trauma is. The entire Dessandre family experienced the tragedy at the same time, there’s no generation gap that the trauma passed down. Unless you mean Lumierians, which again all experience the trauma of death-day personally.
>>747562521So France can only make kino if they're not published by ubishit huh?
>>747590000ubislop made rayman 2 which was kino as a teen
>>747578442you cant even compare because you dont have official numbers:)and i mean real official numbers that a recent not from 5 years ago....
>>747590000Quads confirm.
>>747585992He looks substantially more like Gustav than "his" Arab son Verso
>>747562521Is this not the common consensus? And is the update worth revisiting the game for?
>>747592458The only common thing is that people with sub-100 IQ think that one of the endings is good and the other bad. There are probably as many Versofags as there are Maellefags.The common consensus of 100+ IQ people is that neither ending is "good" and they're just bad in different ways. Strange that not everyone can understand this, since the game's creators said it outright.And yes, the additional content is fun, although it doesn't add anything of worth to the story.There are new enemies, new bosses, new weapons and costumes, new pictos, even a new status effect.
>>747590000France is just too powerful
>guys remeber e33? we won a billion awards! game of the year! >please keep talking about the game!astroturfed trash, legit no real gamer likes this
Just beat this game and I chose Verso.And my right arm was dying from all that parrying.
>>747593475>he mad
>747593184You won't become white like this Ranjisja.
>>747585837I thought he was Gustave's dad or something. I went in completely blind and was caught completely off guard when Gustave was outright killed and replaced with Verso. I was expecting them to bring him back at some point, but they never did until the end cutscene
>>747593113I wouldn't say one is good but the Maelle ending feels so much more distraught. At least Verso and Esquie were more than willing to disappear for her sake whereas everything gets magically reset and the painted people can't really be called living anymore.
>>747594112Why would anyone want to be white? 90% of the world's cruelties are on you.
>>747562521Only retards liked this game
>>747562521Good take
>>747562596How come this game's fanbase is so desperate to convince everyone they're white? I don't see any other fanbase do this
>>747562521>it's actually about muh heckin traumaSounds gay. No wonder it sold so well on Steam.
Final Fantasy won and will last forever.
>>747594826>butt hurt!You silly boy! :3
>>747562521The game is about grief but that's the more surface level theme that normies get stuck on. The true subject matter of the story that only a few of the more cerebral and attentive players focus on is art. The game is about art and what it means to people, what it can represent, what it can become, what it can reflect from reality and inversely how it can influence reality.
>>747593475t. pag pag gobbler
>>747595248But FF7 Remake just made it so you had to have played the original already to understand it?
Cope
>>747562664Maelle doesn't exist anymore after Act 3 she has both memories but she now knows one is quite like fake. She even recover her memory about who killed her brother, she definitely can't remain in the canvas and it's the same for Aline who have huge responsibilities.For the sake of the plot she needs to exit the canvas and get revenge. She is also certainly a writer herself (she pass her time writing in Gustave's diary) and maybe her true live could also be a lie.Personally I suspect the characters in the canvas to be related to already existing persons in the real life, especially Gustave, for many reasons but one of the main reason is his name isn't related to the name of his weapon like other characters.I really wonder what scenario they will go for next, but maybe next game will be about playing one member of the painters, to get other sight of the story.
>>747562521That is the white opinion, yes.
>>747595094It's pretty much THE brown filter of video games.
>>747578442>Takes two years to do the same numbers a FF game does in a few monthsngmi and I hated FFXVI. Shit game should be burning in hell yet here we are talking about an even shittier game.
>>747595951You are correct but you also just summed up the reason the same 5 schizos that shit up every FF7 thread decided to have a hate boner towards the game: It shows they never played the original.
>>747562521>Everyone was already fucking dead, except your party>Get brought back to life just to forever watch some guy's perpetual piano recitalI'd fucking kill myself
>>747562521>>747562596Daily reminder over 50% of buyers are Chinese.
>>747601976did you find these statistics up your ass
>>747562521So is this game actually good or not? Does it have decent gameplay?
>>747562521I was one of the those who though the game was astroturfed to hell and back, because it was the wokest possible shit ( french game, faggot main character with a bunch of women bossing around, Old White Man as the big bad).This year I finally decided to play and all that was correct... Until the first third, when everything is turned on his head, faggot die, a gigachad literally replaces him and the final boss is the just a loving father.Based game.
>>747602403gameplay is fun but its mostly a story game. lots of emotional custscenes, amazing voice acting, top notch sound track, the story is great and it has memorable characters.
>>747562521Can we admit this game was FOTM yet? This is like the only thread about it in days. It was a decent little experience but it has no lasting appeal. Even the gooner freaks got bored of posting Lune pics and went back to their FF7R generals.
>>747562596
>>747602854Sorry I'm late
>>747602671Is it fast paced enough to not get bored? I usually don't have a lot of time and I'm at the point where I mostly can only play rogue-lites or multiplayer games. I'd like a good story game but it needs some gameplay since I'm an old mostly sober man now, I have a lot of fucking stories in real life.
>>747568627You may cry and bitch and shit and cum as much as you want. The only thing real in the Canvas is Verso's Soul and the Dessendres.
