Which one looks best?
right looks like it has a huge horsecock sheathed under that dress so ill go with that one
>>747565590definitive and original are leagues above reforged but considering you see them from 200 metres up in the sky its hard to say which one is better using this image, definitive does seem mostly faithful outside of whitemane though
i hate when remakes call themselves "definitive". the original version is definitive.
>>747565590i have not played wc3 in over 20 years but definitive looks good to me
>>747565590What is definitive now? I avoid blizzard for decades now, so i dont know whats going on there.
>>747566126apparently blizzard admitted that the remake graphics are shit and is redoing it
>>747565590Reforged is so fucking tackyDefinitive moggs that but the face is uggo
>>747565590reforged by far
>>747566126They did reforged 2.0 electric boogaloo, this time as an expansion with some new campaigns(that'd be 30$ plus tip)
>>7475662972.0 was the AI texturesThis is 3.0
>>747565590Crown of originalHead of ReforgedBody of Definitive
>>747566350which are also ai textures
>>747565590
>>747565590>eyes aren't whiteruined
Another
>>747565590The graphics was the least of the problems in Reforged. Definitive is probably going to be just as bad anyways, even with the redone graphics.
>>747566543>what if we just removed the detail from all of the textures
>>747566605Why do they keep fucking doing this man
wtf is "Defiitive" graphics? is it like original, but in HD?Is it usable in all 3 campaigns or only in the new Forsaken Kingdom campaign?
>>747566730Because there are literal millions upon millions of useless eater cattle that exist who eat literal piss and shit for decadesThere are enough sub humans alive on earth that will pay for literally anything, that's why all of it just keeps on going on until whites finally suicide and end the industrial shitterlution and the world can finally heal
>>747565684You didn't need to make it gay.
>>747566605Reforged is the only which doesn't look completely like a cartoony garbage
>>747565590Original has the biggest tits and cool eyes
>>747565590Reforged, desu.
The new campaign is good
>>747565590sex with Definitive please
>>747565590"Reforged" version looks pretty good."Definitive" looks retarded.
>>747567076You're not supposed to view the models like that anyway, which is why only original both functions and looks good in game
>>747566605>>747566730Why do they keep making the armor look like stone instead of metal
>>747566543why does "definitive" have so much worse ground textures??
Sylvanas
>>747565590Grubby says Reforged models look excellent in cinematics but they fall apart from eagle eye view
>>747567518Armor cups too big, OG definitely wanted some nip showing Also why do they keep getting rid of her iconic ball-tipped bow
Tyrande
>>747565590>>747566605>>747567518>>747567829Warcraft should learn from Warhammer what "heroic scale" is and make those fucking heads and hands bigger.>but realism!stfu
>>747567518>>747566605>>747566543>>747565590Can you post the nelf units? the huntresses, archers and dryads please. I'm interested in buying the 50$ combo, and wanna see if they fucked them up with spats.
>>747567518>Instead of having a nice aesthetic, let's make it ugly instead
>>747567829Those eyebrows are ridiculous lmao
>>747567829At least they finally gave her blue hair. WTF are these faces though
>>747565590Reforged > Original > DefinitiveDefinitive is much closer to the original than reforged but ends up looking uncanny
Elves aren't in yet but the crusaders look good.Finally there's a human archer in the game for WC1 inspired maps.
>>747565590Reforged, easily, but none of the Reforged designs work well in-game from a gameplay perspective because they don't stand out from other units nearly as much as the original designs do. You need to be able to differentiate everything at a glance in an RTS.
>>747568112>Reforged > Original
>>747565590What even is the point of reforged now?The Definitive Version doesnt look any different from the original, at least not enough that you will notice while playing.Seems like a waste of time
>>747567518wtf is the middle pic bow suposed to be
>>747565590no wonder they cast invis
ArthasHad to double check it was running Definitive mode and it was. I guess they thought the Reforged model didn't need any update
>>747566891>wtf is "Defiitive" graphics?>Is it usable in all 3 campaigns or only in the new Forsaken Kingdom campaign?^can I has Definitive graphics in RoC and TFT campaigns?
>>747567829Her huge pussy is in the way I can't see if she's wearing pants or not.
>>7475663503.0 is also just AI but the models are better now
>>747568325Yeah, that's what it was kek
>>747565590She looks strangely evil now and I don't approve of losing the stockings and garter belt.
>>747568325None of the campaign models are updated yet unless they're based off a generic or neutral unit. The only unique campaign models that got updated are Uther and the captain. Most likely because they appear in the new campaign.This is probably the reason why we can't play RoC or TFT with DE graphics yet.
>>747566730You know, I would actually gladly play some cutesy Warcraft game with this style if the game itself was more fitting. Like some casual roguelite, or a 3D platformer, or kart racing, I mean it worked with HotS still it's not THIS cartoony but when they put it in WC3 and WoW that have a more serious tone it just feels repulsive.
>>747568325glad you could bake it uther
>>747568512>I don't approve of losing the stockings and garter belt.fag
>>747568557ah thanks for that
>>747565590Reforged, kinda. What is funny is BOTH removed the socks but kept the suspenders.
>>747565590Her crown with gemstone somehow looks better in the original.
>>747568158AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>747568618meant for >>747568514
>>747566543This genuinely looks like an AI upscale. Randomly missing little details.
>>747568662HotS really was the last gasp of old Blizzard.
>>747565590Its weird how both versions are a miss to me. Reforged wings to realistic and fucks with the propositions. Definitive goes back to the old proportions but the style now looks like a cheap phone game. The Hots art style would have worked better as a replacement for the Reforged models as it has the cartoony element while still visually not looking cheap and plastic.
>>747568557I kekd.
>>747565590Definitive Edition models would be fine if they were finished. So far, they only updated the skirmish units, the rest of the units are untouched.
>>747565590originalno need to talk about reforged. "definitive" looks like WoW-ified garbage
>>747565590As an autist who spent thousands of hours playing WC3 custom maps and was hoping everyone at Blizzcon would burn to death back when Reforged first came out Definitive = Original > Reforged
>>747565590Would have been great if it was free and not tied to some dogshit "expansion"
>>747565590right but its also paywalled so left
>>747566543This is so all over the place. The ground is overall horrible. I think human trees look nice, and orc trees are especially good. Nelf trees are an entirely different species. Undead trees are just human trees but covered in black paint, they look the worst, and totally lose the dead/corrupted vibe they were going for in the original. All very strange. Units and buildings look alright overall though not sure why they made the zigurats into squares.
>>747568862>Definitive = Originalmaybe you should burn to death now
>>747568862i am hoping that you burn to death, faggot
>>747565590Jesus Christ, Warcraft looks so fucking stupid.
Rifleman
>>747568670>>747568618There are also a bunch of Forsaken units under undead campaign.
By the way, do you remember Warcraft 1 and 2 official "remasters"?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhZL1zZTj74https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ9Ac4WVW6Q
>>747568618I know people are mad at the censorship but I actually think the model looks pretty damn badass anyway. I am a sucker for skintight clothing so... Anyway, what hero is she? Just an archmage?
I would just stick to original, from top-down everything looks nice and readable. Definitive is more faithful than Reforged obviously but still feels off.Blizzard really overthought this whole thing. Game already was in a good state right before Reforged excluding the occasional crash. It had support for modern internet connections and high resolutions. Could have released it on Steam for $30 and made a ton of money. Instead they went full retard with Reforged and generated a lot of fan resentment for no reason.
>>747568325>>747568158>Elves aren't in yetSooooOOooOOOoo the game isn't done yet? They're asking real money for a non real game.
>>747568158The knights look sick
>>747568724I'm terrified that they're adding void bitch to it.HotS having Blizzard's attention means it will probably have it's soul sucked out.
>>747569231He's a retard, there is no yet because they're never being added
genuinely looks even worse than reforged, what is everyone smoking
>>747567829shoulderpads are great weapons
Abomination
>>747569231they are in idk what that anon is talking about you can just play with new graphics
>>747569330>what is everyone smokingpure copium
>>747569154>Could have released it on Steam for $30If blizzard had put wc3 on steam for $30 that would have lead to a massive shitstorm considering that you could always buy a roc + tft disc for $10
>>747568158Will those have Reforged equivalent models?
>>747568158Giving whitemane pants is absolutely unforgivable.
>>747567829horrid, what's that shit on her head
>>747569404I agree, it's an abomination
Whitemane would never wear pants she is a sex symbol and she loves it.
Did they said when (or if) they will do DE graphics for RoC/TFT campaigns?
>>747569551Tehe maybe :^)
>>747569404The abom has a very particular aesthetic and they've never been able to recreate it since the original, fuck this looks so bad
>>747569305>there is no yet because they're never being addedI see Tyrande is in.>>747567829That's the real "Definitive" model on the far right, yes? That's the only nelf model that's in the game? i've seen this pic posted, they're in the game now but i can't 100% see the details.
>>747569487Yeah they turned what was supposed to be a circlet into a crown? Kek
>>747566543It's crazy that the original STILL looks better.
>>747566543why does the floor always become more mute?
>>747569671jesus wept>XBOX HUGE WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE ARMOR>WEIGHS A FUCKING TON>Tiger has to be SMASHED AND SLAMMED in order to carry it>Tiger looks like a Disney character>Goblin on the side
>>747569124>open video>see this>close videoThere's just not enough words and letters and languages and sounds known to humanity to express my hatred to this company.
>>747570070Lookin' good
>>747569856
>>747569856I can't figure out if the original is supposed to be wearing a leotard or shortpants, because that's what the Definitive version is wearing. Overall improvement from Reforged.If they gave them pelvic curtains or loincloths, why bother with the shorts? I know the ARRIVA LA PUNIZIONE has both loincloth and shorts but overwatch is for babs and women. Was expecting something more like picrel.
>>747569856>How they should soundhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLV-y3Dk2RY
>>7475655902 > 1 > 3One of the very few cases when refunded looks good. If only her skin wasn't so stupidly grey
>>747566543That new blight texture looks terrible what the hell
>>747570215This one looks good.
>>747568158>Whitemane pants>After they gave Sylvanas her open midriff back??
>>747570318There's texture?
>>747567829Wait why did people shit on reforgen again? It looks waay better than the new slop and is less censored
>>747569856This is the only example where the reforged version is the best.
>>747565590Neither. They all have flaws when compared to original.
>>747565590Middle looks awful when you actually play the game not zoomed in
>>747570215
>>747569628It's 100% that hunch over to the side. It gives such an unique look.
>>747570387because it looks like dogshit.
>>747568618SHE'S IN??>?????
>Definitive has massive thighs but nerfed cleavage
>>747570215>>747570445How? When was HotS made again? How do you go backwards like this?
>>747565590Left looks best. Definitive doesn't even look a High or Blood Elf, just a generic fantasy elf with weird proportions, which make her hips look ridiculously wide like those dresses Victorian women used to wear and the pauldron is gigantic, even for Warcraft. Left also shows the most cleavage.>>747566543THEY STILL CAN'T GET TERRAIN RIGHT! Everything looks so flat. What the fuck is wrong with them? Is this some kind of ancient technology? Why aren't they able to give the ground texture the appearance of depth like in the original?>>747566605Reforged looks good, but it's actually the worst, because they didn't design their models to have good animation, which is as important as looking good. Also just look at how the classic model uses black paint to simulate shadows, which are just completely missing in the defined version.>>747570387Because their models only look good static without any context. They were not designed with movement and animation in mind. That is why they are horrible.
>>747570387because wc3 models aren't supposed to be looked at from up close like this. If you want a honest comparrison you have to look at them from above, and in that category reforged isa massive stinker
>>747567829
>>747570215>Doesn't even lift
>>747570560I mean...
>>747569856Nice widow's peak, bro.
>>747566543>>747566605>>747567518>>747567829Definitive looks like WoW artists tried to make graphics for WC3. Reforged has right fidelity, but needs better meshes. Definitive looks like it needs another rework because after 20 years of making WoW assets, they can ONLY make WoW assets.
>>747568618Hots model but covered up like its a muslim country. What the fuck?
>>747570739>Reforged has right fidelitythe original has right fidelity. the others shouldnt exist
>>747570560This is as 1:1 as you can get. The devs love the undead. FAVORITISM! DISCRIMINATION!
>>747565590right is the least shitty but they are all shitty
>>747565590the sc2 version
>>747570853>This is as 1:1 as you can get.It's not. The original has huge ghost hair. The new one looks generic.
>>747570739>Reforged has right fidelitywhat are you smoking? I love how people are suddenly trying to gaslight me into believing that reforged graphics weren't that bad
moo
Did they make OG graphics versions of the new models? I'm probably the only person in the universe who kind of liked that they tried that with the new reforged models
>>747566605>>747569050
>>747568325thats because they dont use that Arthas in the new campaign. they use the undead model, not the human one
>>747565590right with more tits showing like left
i honestly dont get itthey could make it as accurate as possible and i'd still be disgusted by the new graphics. why would i want an "upgrade" when the original exists? i dont understand these people
Trying to mess with WC3 will always end up in disaster because it was made with tools and designed specific for it's time, only way to do it "right" is if you do something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy4uEZV4jpoIt's like trying to rebuild the coliseum with modern materials and machines, it will always look "wrong".tl;dr: they will never be able to make WC3 look better than it is, blizz need to drop their DEI bullshit, hire a bunch of competent white men and make WC4.
>>747570927Original is a 2d texture for hair, not 3d. Also the hair is comparable in size.>>747570950I'm starting to believe that the chinese guy who was up on stage yday actually cares about the game. They even got the cut horn right because he carries a yuge pillar.
>>747570572>THEY STILL CAN'T GET TERRAIN RIGHT! Everything looks so flat. What the fuck is wrong with them? Is this some kind of ancient technology? Why aren't they able to give the ground texture the appearance of depth like in the original?Because the original was designed with the limitation of the engine in mind. The artstyle was design to look good on the limited engine. The new version was made without though being put in how it will look with the engine. Same with the models, they are too polished which clash with the lighting and shading.
>>747565590i guess the new chibi disneycraft models are better for multiplayer readability but in terms of fidelity and aesthetics, the reforged models BTFO the definitive ones in every single comparison posted ITT and it isn't even close. also, pants on whiteman, lmao. talk about missing the point. her pantlessness is literally the only reason she's popular or anybody remembers her name.
>>747571098>Also the hair is comparable in size.t'isnt
chud me and my wife
At this point I prefer the graphics from Reforged>but it looks busy in multiplayerI don't care, I don't play multi.The Definitive Edition units look like toys.
>>747571130Speaking only for myself but i wanted updated models, not brand new ones.
>>747567518>>747567829>tits censored on bothOf courseOverall, it doesn't look great. It looks better than Reforged, sure, but that's not a high fucking bar. The original is still superior.
>>747569890so. faithfull to the original then?
>>747571178i don't remember the succubus having kerrigan wingsspeaking of, what do the starcraft models look like in definitive?
>>747571262You're blind? I'm sorry.
How can people on Hiveworkshop can make better models than the one Blizz made?
>>747570389>pantsYou're a faggot. Leave.
>>747571221>>tits censored on bothSylvanas yes, Tyrande no.
>>747566543what happened to the ground textures
>>747567518I still remember when some people thought that Sylvanas covered her tummy because she was pregnant pr some shit.
>>747571286>what do the starcraft models look like in definitive?They don't. They didn't recieve the Definitive Edition models. Most campaign-specific models aren't updated for reasons.
>>747565590Original looks bestThe rest looks like jeetshit
Definitive. Reforged has way too detailed everything so it will look muddled at the intented view distance of an RTS.
>>747570215>no massive shoulders - probably can't even chuck spears all day>prudish - found the biggest leaves possible to her tits2/10 would not respond to human mating call.
>>747571403Nah, they look fine, unless you are blind or an e-sports autist.
>>747571379Damn that sucks for MP, the firebat and marine models are central to every custom game not set in medieval times
>>747571329I like the De-WoWification the models went through.
>>747571346small indie company, only their second try, please understand and give them another chance for *only* $29.99 + tax + tip + battle pass + subscription in a few years. thanks
>>747570952>I'm probably the only person in the universe who kind of liked that they tried that with the new reforged modelsMe to brother. It looks goofy ah but I respect the effort.
Definite has terrible texture work and normals. They clearly do not understand readibility and stylizing.
>>747565590>No white sclera>Boobs 60% covered instead of 30%They still don't know what made the old artstyle so good.
>>747570979>what could've been
>>747571439>>747571509>>747571580Why can't they get the lighting and colors right?
>>747571509More works needs to be doing. Look at the base of the buildings.
>>747570979Whoever made HotS should be in charge of ALL Warcraft stuff.
>>747571580>necropolis is vomiting slime instead of crying it out through both eyesliterally unplayable
sorry fagots but the unique dreadlords and army of boobage from reforged was great
>>747568618man, if you are going to cover it up, at least put some actual good looking clothes...
I actually like how it looks in definitive edition, credit where it is due for trying.I dont know why people here are so autistic about it.
They killed all the custom maps and made the game unplayable online unless you fork over more money to them. Just leave the game alone. I am never playing it again.
>>747571639This one is the best so far.
I like the reforgedLook, I know you faggots want nostalgia, but the modern iteration of them kind of fits with how I envisioned the cartoony characters looked back in the day when I played WC3.
>>747571098>chinese guy who was up on stage yday actually cares about the gameHe clearly did.
>>747571286Checked for you. No update done for them
>>747571643It looks like they're actually using a lighting engine this time, originally every unit's shadow was just a circular transparent black blob that was slightly offset from their model. maybe it looks better in motion but it makes everything look like it doesn't have a shadow at all in the stills
>>747571667>Whoever made HotS should be in charge of ALL Warcraft stuff.Yep. Wonder how many of them still are at blizzard.
>>747571779
>>747571439How the fuck does the original have better lighting? Is lighting a lost art now and devs will just forward that job to dlss5?
Why the FUCK do the old models have better texture detail than these toy figure pieces of shit
>>747571376She was, with my child :)
>>747569405>>747569231The campaign only high elf units such as the archer, swordsman, villagers, engineer, runner and dragonhawk still use the Reforged models. Their definitive edition models are missing. This is what I was referring to. Not the night elves or generic blood elves in the human roster.Same is the case with the campaign only fel orcs and multiple campaign only other characters.
>>747571687now its the army of ph4t asses
>>747568325>>747566605Wait this is retarded. Why did they change some models back to being more cartoony style, while keeping others slightly more realistic/detailed? the artstyle is all over the place, this shit is clashing with the other models, it looks awful.I don't understand this mindset...they are aware Reforged's artstyle needed to be fixed, so they go through the trouble of making these new models and the development/marketing song and dance, but then they don't do it for the whole game!? Why even bother if you're only half assing it? does half assing it really make that much money? is the pay off worth it?
>>747571790is it possible to attain this posture natty?
>>747571779Yeah, I actually liked that a lot of units in Reforged had unique models. I actually liked the female DH model and the new graphics don't even bother to recreate that.Also, the biggest issue is that Reforged is now a graphical clusterfuck, because both campaigns have a different artstyle. Original campaigns don't work with the new graphics, new campaign doesn't work with the old graphics.
>>747571470they look complete dogshit if you have working eyeballs
>>747571967Only looksmaxxers can do that after they break and refuse every bone in their body for 20 years.
>>747571639This one is the only good one except for the fact that all roots are now brown which clashes with the non-brown structures.
>>747571676seriously wtf. makes no sense to change that. now Im certain its all just AI sloppa
>release the most universally despised remake in the history of video games>see the reception to it and decide to develop a new campaign exclusive only to the dogshit remake and not the real gameBlizzard HQ needs to burn to the ground with every single employee locked inside
Original chest looks a little weird, but its bigger then reforged, which traded titty for exposed arms, while definitive keeps the large boobs and arm coverings, while exposing more leg and making her less stic, while maintaining the hourglass figure that reforged made less exaggerated.Definitive.
>>747571676>>necropolis is vomiting slime instead of crying it out through both eyesBased undead enjoyer autist. Didn't notice that one at all.
>>747571439>>747571509>>747571580>>747571639There's something to be said for graphics that look like they were cobbled together, the new ones look too intentional like they're painstakingly crafted and cleaned miniatures you can only look at but not play with. The messy OG graphics look real and rough and like there's dirt and grime everywhere, the buildings look like they were quickly put up for war reasons, the units look like they're ready to tear each other apart into blood and gore, hard edges look like you can get cut or impaled on them, the ground and rocks are ready to have warriors trampled on them, it just looks more like war.
>>747571930are they going to add them later in patches? This will feel super weird in custom games.I assume they also haven't done classic styled version of the new units?I think it's a step in a good direction but they have to fix all the issues they introduced at the same time
Warden hero unit
>>747572206lol
>>747572206I assume they won't, because fuck you, why should they?
>>747572173>Original chest looks a little weird, but its bigger then reforged, which traded titty for exposed arms, while definitive keeps the large boobs and arm coverings, while exposing more leg and making her less stic, while maintaining the hourglass figure that reforged made less exaggerated.
>>747572228Thank god she got her original look backI know they wanted the melee heroes to look more unique from their campaign counterparts, but some looked way too different.
Why not just keep the vanilla trees?
>>747572206
>>747571935not bad. reforged was probably a waste of effort for how WC3 works but they are some stupid sexy RPG style assets...yes the reforged butts are not very big
>>747571667He stole private penis milk reserves from a fridge and was publicly executed.
>>747572228We going full Gundam Definitive boys. I like it.
>>747565684based based
Is it me or a lot of games this year, who already had remakes, are getting second remakes that look super difference? it's pretty funny.
>>747572387People will buy it anyway
Something about the Definitive Edition artstyle annoys me. It looks waaaaay too cartoony for my tastes.
>>747571935
Model anon, Do you have any look for the undead paladin? Since he's a new neutral hero, this mean they HAD to make a classic and reforged model for him in addition to the new style
>>747572228Warden design is weird because 3d model only barely followed the original art. I like the full helmet more than the cowl (I think they used it in WoW as well) but the rest of it looks so shitty on the reforged version
>>747571935asses.. IN PANTS
>>747572476They had an owl motif and silhouette which wasn't really copied with Reforged. Glad they went back on that.
>>747572228
>>747572423What can I say, I like to compare things.
>>747572469>this mean they HAD to make a classic and reforged model for him in addition to the new style...they actually didn't. He doesn't have a Reforged equivalent. And his "classic" model is just a downscaled model from the Definitive Edition. It looks VERY out of place.
>>747565590>Buff thighs from the original, fix the reforged tits back to being ginormous, keep the entirety of the design the same, including the garterbelts>>747570215>Buff the tits, increase the hourglass>>747570560>Make the cleavage even more apparent somehow>>747568618>Cover the most defining part of her design, the leotard, up completelyI... i don't understand what the fuck is going on. Why Sally of all things is getting the prude treatment while random units are actually bringing back/buffing the most nonsafehorny appeal of the originals?What's the endgame here? Lead modeller has a grunt fetish and hates the main characters?
Blood Mage hero unit
>>747572552What no innovation does to a mf industry.
>>747565590Only the Original Sorceress has feminine grace. Reforged is on ozempic and “Definitive” is fat.
>>747572563Show me the pictures to see how weird both lookHopefully they will fix this in the updatesit's weird as looking at the development video they posted, it seem the new expansion originally was developed using original graphics
>>747572476Yeah, Maiev should have the halfmask, normal warden should be fully covered.
>>747572634Replace the dark purple with black and it's good.
Any good, NEW custom campaigns?
>>747572338hmmm
>>747572634
>Meanwhile mods for WC3
>>747566543SOVL/soulless
>>747572331KEKAROO
I want to kiss night elf tummies so bad please I can't take it anymore
>>747572742That looks uncanny valley as fuck.
>>747572634It's really interesting how in reforged, they completely redesigned the melee heroes to look different from their campaign counterparts. but in definitive, they WANT BACK and made the melee heroes looking like the campaign characters again.>>747572768HOTS is using the campaign characters as base too. Kael in reforged doesn't look like the melee unit.
can't believe blizzardtrannies are about to fall for the same scam again. This is just another pajeet studio doing the same shit. On top of AI slop.Please fucking kill yourselves already. I'm not saying that out of malice either. I just don't think there is any other way out for you idiots at this point. God had no mercy for you fags.
>>747572823Didn't they add an option to use campaign heroes in MP as a visual difference? I feel like I saw footage of Grubby playing a 1v1 with Thrall as his Far Seer
>>747572742huh, why have they redone the high elf villager? is she in the new campaign or it mean they are planning to remake the other campaign later?
>>747572742ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER
>>747572228They did definitive of the warden unit? I think it's called assassin nowadays maybe idk.
>>747572913That's not the high elf villager. That's the human villager they are using for the new campaign.
>>747572887Yeah, there was also multiple skins, which I don't know if they were redone or not in the new graphics. there was even brand new female DK and DH, as it was the style at the time
>>747572686I'd love to as long as I figure out how to open the WorldEdit.
>>747568325Reforged's interpretation wasn't bad, but it doesn't really fir in with the rest of the cartoony looking Definitive iterations.
bros.. new waifu acquired
>>747572634Who the fuck is that nigga in the middle
>>747572981but the unit is the high elf villager though in reforged....HUH?
>>747572792This lady has been doing 11/10 cosplays since forever. Absolute legend.
Okay going to take a break, last one for now
>>747572954They were called Assassin in the original game too. Warden is a heroes unit and is the leader of those assassin.
>>747572768
>>747573038From Bnet
>>747573014>which I don't know if they were redone or not in the new graphics. there was even brand new female DK and DH, as it was the style at the timeThey weren't. Now the models just revert to the default one. So this whole "pick the skin of your hero in skirmish" feature is now useless.
>>747573053I bet she's naked under that robe.
>>747573053>literally wearing a burka covering every inch of skin other than her faceOkay Mohammed, peace be upon you too
Definitive looks like Calarts slop
>>747573073they really need to delete any trace of reforged man wtf is this shit and people who bought it need to be publicly hanged
>>747573073Tail-status?
>>747571779Warcraft fagbois are just as bad as Hogfart Millennial shits.Reforged looked significantly better and actually had a good modern take of the old game. Imagine seething about the graphics because you want the cartoony bloat slop of your nostalgia.
>>747573053CUUUUTE
>>747573073
>>747573104It's super weird, it's like instead of building at the top of reforged, the team decided "fuck reforged" and rebuild everything on the top of the original game instead. so reforged still exist but in a weird contained way. It's like both games are not made to fit with each others at all. They almost should have made that new expansion standalone due to all not fitting together.
>>747573049>reforged’s interpretation wasn’t bad /v/ is nothing but paranoid schizophrenics
>>747565590Reforged>Definitive>OriginalThey shouldn't change anything though.original is what should look like in the game, you don't need to tamper with that.
>>747573053Would purge the unliving with.BRING BACK THE THIGHS
>>747571880The original ones have light and shadow baked into the textures so the details pop more while the new ones are much more reliant on the actual lighting itself.
>>747565590SOVL / Polished / Tranny
>>747573053THE SCARLETS DID NOTHING WRONG
>>747573231And it gets better when you realize you can't play original campaign with the new graphics and vice versa, new campaign can ONLY be played with the new graphics. So you literally have two completely different artstyles fighting internally.
>>747573053The tranimefication of gaming.
>>747573231>instead of building at the top of reforged, the team decided "fuck reforged" and rebuild everything on the top of the original game insteadThat's a good thing.People HATE reforged. It would be best to just remove it entirely and forget it ever existed.
>>747573073Where fat boy??
>>747573332If you want to remove it, at least be consistent about it.
>>747573315Yeah they should have separated both games from each others at this point. like how FT was separated from ROC. They are simply not made to fit with each others.
Who is paying these niggers to shill reforged at this point? Can’t be blizzard anymore. Are the SEAmonkey reforged devs personally posting(seething) in threads now? You got paid your $0.30 for your work fair and square.
>>747573363Removed, because no fun allowed.
>>747565590bitch turning my gryphing archers to sheep all the timeI hate her
I guess if this does well, they will remake the campaign in the style of definitive. and maybe also remake some definitive unit in classic mode. that way custom games are uniformed.No way they made make reforged-style models because they are too detailed and it would cost too much resources.>>747573363campaign only
can someone tell me why there are 3 versions of the same game?
>>747573073Thank you for your service.
Some stuff is definitive only like new assets, some stuff stays reforged it seems.
>>747573525My fear is they'll eventually remove classic graphics entirely and we'll be stuck with this censored garbage.
I liked the Reforged unit models.
>>747573583Yesus, what a clusterfuck.
nasty bare necromancer crackfiend arms? GONE
>>747573583>some stuff stays reforgedWhy?
>>747572634they fucked up the faces of ALL units, what the fuck is that frown mouth?!? KEK
>>747573552There's 5, actually, more if you count the patches but 5 main>Original ROC, still playable locally or with special servers, has many patches variant>Original FT, still playable locally or with special servers, has many patches variantAnd then in the reforged package>Reforged, which can play melee and the main campaign, cannot play new expansion or any of it's units (beside paladin UD)>Classic reforged, which is classic graphics with some Reforged option, play main campaign and melee, cannot play new expansion or any of it's units (beside paladin UD)>Definitive, which can play the new campaign and melee, cannot use the reforged skins, cannot play the main campaignBasically, considers definitive also as it's own game but weirdly cobbled into reforged and can cross play with it (custom games might be half broken though)
can you play the new campaign with old graphics?
>>747571834>mostly white menuhh, you can't post that!
>>747572197it's impressive how they still managed to succ the soul out of the original with this DE stuff. Like the graphics aren't bad, but they just lack a certain quality to them that's hard to describe
>>747573624you're stupid then
>>747573690All the melee units were redone, but not the campaign units, as definitive has a new campaign insteadAlso seemingly they have not redone the optional skins either.
The new graphics are way too bright.
>>747571960I agree. The art style is all over the place, it's inconsistent as fuck. The footman in particular looks specially disgusting when put side to side with models like Arthas.God damn it man, this is a multimillion dollar company with thousands of employees, can't they hire one Goddamn decent art director in this shit?
>>747573179>Reforged looked significantly better and actually had a good modern take of the old game.I can't imagine being this retarded
>>747573917They outsourced it to Malaysia anon
>>747573114>>747573120>>747573184>>747573265>>747573310>>747573329oh no no no no BROS
>>747573917it's not about art direction, they just didn't remake the campaign models, considers definitive it's own game with it's own campaign, which also can play melee games with reforged as a bonusIt SHOULDN'T have being together desu.
>>747572935>From Jaina Proudmoore to Jaina Proudless
so, is reforged generally worth buying these days?Have they fixed the game or is it still same mess that it was what 6 years ago?
>>747573994She'll bonk them with that giant mallet, don't worry. The Scarlet Crusade never loses.
>>747574082>finally, a woman wanted less instead of more
>>747566605HotS devs should have been given a real budget to create WC4.
>>747574085No it's fucked, just look at the graphics. If you want to play it just pirate1.27.
>>747574085it's better on many points but some points are still clunky, and the new expansions with all the graphical things is making things even clunkier on that pointso it's better but don't expect perfection
>SallyOverdetailed model, especially if you compare her to the rest of scarlet niggas
>>747573818You would probably have called me stupid too if my fear was the removal of the LAN-functionality. Yet here we are.
>>747572935>NOOOO YOU CANT SHOW CLEAVAGE ITS HARMFUL TO HECKIN WOMYNARINO>go out in the world>literally every zoomer skank who's not a busted hag is proudly showing as much tit and tummy as the original Jaina artreally makes you think
>>747573179reforged looks terrible and busy, but definitive is all over the place, diferent artstyles in the same game
>>747574223>really makes you thinkOnly women can show off their tiddy anon, if you pick up a pencil and draw tiddy, that's misogynary! because uhhhh. . only uhhh. . women can sell sex? because they're whor- sec someone is at my door. brb.
>>747574219I genuinely don't get why they did this. I hope they will add it back in a patches. it's probably still burred in the game code somewhere
>>747574383Probably to fuck over Wc3Champions as blizzard is once again deathly afraid of a dota situation.
I have a feeling that with those Definitive Edition models, Blizzard oversteered in the wrong direction. I am going through the models in WorldEdit and the Reforged models are sometimes ridiculously detailed, have lots of variations, a lot of units have unique animations and there is almost an autistic level of effort put into those models. So the models look great and at the same time very busy.Definitive Edition is the opposite. The models are very simplistic, they have very little variation, they have very simple animations and little variety. Sure, original WC3 also had very simplistic models and animations, but it was due to technological limitations, I don't think you should copy THAT as well.I have a feeling should be a middle ground between those two approaches.
>>747574219removing classic graphics would literally break the game so your fear is unreasonable
>>747571779>>747573179these two drones basically confirm my "they made definitive edition to make reforged look good" theory
>>747570553Art Direction is extremely important. A good art director pushes a piece until the artists involved want to murder him. An okay art director pushes a piece until its ready to ship as a minimum viable product.
>>747574531That hasn't stopped them before.
>Reforged models are shit for RTS perspective but at least they made unique models for pretty much every character and variant of creep, campaign unit, etc.>Rereforged models are more in line with the original style but they haven't even made models for everything that's in the original gameI hate this company so fucking much.
>>747574503They already have said in the current editor that all you created belongs to Blizzard, so they shoudn't be afraid of that>>747574506Definitive is the anti-reforged, for all the best and wrong reasons
>>747574383mostly because of piracy.They are so fucking petty.Also, you can thank consoles for killing LAN gaming
If they didn't adapted the regular campaign units, they should have sold this new expansion standalone. Maybe keep the option to play melee with reforged players, but don't mix them together.This will only be resolved if they recreate the campaign with definitive style.
>>747574694>Also, you can thank consoles for killing LAN gamingLiterally all the LAN parties I went to as a teenager were Xbox. And I was a PC gamer. Anytime I played CS 1.6 it was with a dog shit dial up connection cos no one could be fucked lugging and setting up 1 PC per person compared to 1 Xbox and TV for 4 people. I really don't know how you could think this. If anything more reliable internet connections killed LAN gaming.
>>747574614>Reforged models are shit for RTS perspectiveEh, the Reforged models are perfectly readable, unless you are some e-sports autist.
>>747566543definitive is missing textures
>>747574804They're trash
>>747574930You're trash.
>>747574802the way society evolved killed it too. people go out a lot less, almost all infrastructures are now dependent on the internet. There's far less third place.it's not like the late 90s to I'd say the early 2010s when internet still was an option to some degreethere was a time when a game having online capabilities gave a little mark on the box. Nowadays you get something special if you have local multiplayer or splitscreen, which is rare.
DAY 2 HOTS STAGEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvRrN3CXj4s
>>747574802>Xboxexactly, og xbox was basically dreamcast 2.0 with PC hardware, after that all consoles became insanely closed-source shitboxes.
>>747574930>>747574969I'm trash.
>>747571834>The gym dwarves on the left sideThey will end as virgins anyways
>>747571834>From the twisted mind of Jordan Peele...this image needs a government funded melanin injection NOW!
>New campaign>No new races>No new units>Just a bunch of miscellaneous updates and a new tavern hero>$40kFuck off
>Click classic sound option>Still get nudialogue etc
>>747567829Wait, why the fuck does TYRANDE get an updated model? You're sure that's not just a generic priestess?
>>747575539That's just a generic priestess. In the Definitive Edition, Tyrande doesn't have a unique model anymore.
>>747575434Every time i post that image i can hear Jason Schreier stub his toe and swearing.
>>747575532Only foreign version got redone dialogues. not the english one.I believe it's also possible to replace it back with some manual file replacements
>>747575458>>$40kInflation sure is a bitch isn't it
>>747569404>>747569628Agreed, it's the hunch. His head got stitched on wrong, and they have forgotten about it since.
>>747569856>That purple and green on the Reforged archer, so that you can't tell which team she's on
>>747572618As I keep telling people, Whitemane is in the campaign, so she got special attention from the managers, who sleepwalked through the rest of the development cycle.>So in this cutscene we have the hero...>Wait, wait, wait? Who is that? A woman? With uncovered thighs?! FIX IT IMMEDIATELY, IT'S 2026 FOR VISHNU'S SAKE>M'am, we actually have a lot of...>I SAID FIX IT>Okay, we will.The pajeeta manager never saw the rest of the models, so they didn't cover up those
>>747570952>Did they make OG graphics versions of the new models?I don't think so. When you go to the collections menu, there are Classic and Reforged symbols on the skins, but not a single has a Definitive symbol, including the female DH/DK.
>>747575790THANKS DOC
>>747573783Doubt it since there's new assets, visual effects and character models in the new campaign.
>>747575990it's just particularly egregious because that's whitemane's entire identifying characteristic and reason for existing beyond a throwaway boss in a low level dungeon other than her literal white mane (hair). if she always had pants, we'd have all forgotten her like the countless other named scarlet mooks that got killed as parts of quests or dungeons.
>>747571178>Those babyfaced tuskarrsFucking Lord, this is the one model I'd say looks ugly. They are supposed to look like this, god damn it
>>747575990tbf, she still has some skin tight thing, it's not like she had a regular pant.Maybe the modelers just really like these kind of things...it happens.>>747576052I feels like they changed a lot of people in the team since reforged and the new people really REALLY dislike reforged, all the new designs looks like the complete antithesis of what reforged was doing.
>>747571790>Flamethrower orc still goneFuck the IP law
>>747571935You just know...
>>747576209that one was gone even in reforged I believe yeah, I feels like they got cold feet because no way this was breaking any laws
>>747566543Looks like a mod, both in the sense of lack of quality and how the buildings and units stick out like they're not from the same game.
>>747576368They hired HiveWorkshop modders to work on it so it checks out.
>>747576176>Maybe the modelers just really like these kind of things...it happens.The modeler should kys then.
>>747565590>whoch tranny game do you sisters prefer?
Wait, this is important. The campaign orc blademaster. What is he called in 3.0.0? Grom or Grommash? Is the voice acting still awkwardly changed so that nobody ever says the name "Grom"?
>>747576472obsessed
>>747576416That explains it. AOE2 is known for mods that just make the terrain and trees look like flat placeholders, I assume that's the logic here.
>>747575671>Only foreign version got redone dialoguesFucking cancer shit
>>747576693yeah, in general the entirety of the new graphics screams "we want the esports autists back"
>>747565590>bro you know these models that you look at from 50 metres up in the sky>what if they like... had realistic proportions and really intricate detailed designs bro for like screenshots that would be sickWhen will this meme end? The last thing I do on my deathbed will be telling 12 year olds on 4chan that their taste is shit and the best tabletop models ever made were the Citadel metal range by the Perry Brothers from the 80s. Here's one I painted actually
>>747576967In fairness, their shitty dota no one plays actually looks really good.
>>747576967Yeah, but the downside is that the new models look awful up close. And it's REALLY noticable in the new campaign where the game goes ham on the cinematics, while the models look like LEGO toys.
>>747565590why did they add the green to it? green is normally seen as demonic in warcraft 3
>>747577124Because that's the Blood Elf specific model.Both Classic and Reforged had seperate models for High and Blood Elf Sorceress. Definitive Edition has just one model for both.
Kinda crazy they didn't add skins from direct strike to classic
>>747577124>why did they add the green to it? green is normally seen as demonic in warcraft 3Because TFT sorceress is supposed to be a blood elf, and until the end of TBC they were the fel nation. Until suddenly they were light elves.ROC sorceress has a slightly different look. Healer too, he has white instead of black texture.
When are they going to bother doing DE models for the other 90% of units? Or did they think people only played MP and wouldn't notice?
>>747576368>>747576416This is actually the best outcome we can expect from Microslop. They're not going to hire the same A team that worked on HotS for a 24 year old game. The passion that went into the models are pretty evident now vs the soulless slop from Lemon Sky.
>>747577453Maybe if the campaign sells well. The DE button is greyed out for the campaign, not absent, and I imagine they know half the playerbase plays the game for the story.
>>747577453They most likely won't. They just gave the MP crowd what they wanted and called it a day.
>>747575675It's either life or Warcraft I can't make this work
>reforged modelslooks good up close, terrible in the RTS pov>definitivelooks good in the RTS pov, terrible up close>classiclooks good at any angle and distancehow the fuck did they do it bros
>>747566605would my pc explode during footmen frenzy?
>>747577453most players nowadays really only play MPI will depends on the sales of the new expansions, I presume.
How to play palarifle bros? I'm literally jobbing to a fucking insane diff AI
>>747577540It's not greyed-out, it's outright missing.Also, the new style doesn't fit the 2D screens they have for the campaigns.
>>747577627>>classic>looks good at any angle and distancebut only to us oldheads. to newer players and new generation, they looks bad to them, unfortunately.
>>747577720But those are shit too. They should have the new models standing there like the original instead of this garbage prerendered shit
>>747577453While there are a fuck ton of assets for this game, I think they have the capacity to give them all a good pass.
>>747577627>>classic >looks good at any angle and distance >how the fuck did they do it brosIt's called an art style. Modern graphics are made for graphics pig-whores so RTS has to look like World of Warcraft even though it doesn't make any sense for RTS and everything else has to be face-scanned mocapped UE5 bullshit with fog everywhere even though it means you can no longer stylise anything for effect but that doesn't matter because the goyim don't care that everything looks the same.
>>747577627Nah, sorry, I'm an oldhead and the old models looked awful up-close even back in 2003, especially compared to games like Age of Mythology and Spellforce. Especially Spellforce that made it an effort to look VERY good up close.
>>747571002>right has a tiny scrotum instead of a chin
>>747577684That was never true, be it in early 00s or now.
>>747577550But why?? MP players would pull out their own teeth before playing in anything other than classic
>>747577972a good chunk of the player base if not more than half literally are people from Asia who grind the MP mode
Maybe shitforged wouldn't be such a disaster if it had DE models as a base.
>>747578018But they are the loudest. I for one didn't mind the Reforged graphics, because I'm not an autist, and when I see Grubby ranting about the footman's shield being a slightly wrong shape, therefore the clarity is ruined, I want to kill myself.
>>747571329perfect example
>>747577720Weird that no one at blizzcon has asked about it, I wonder how many models are missing the new graphics
>>747578248Every single unique and campaign-specific model is missing.
>https://youtu.be/d89GfAncong30 for this?
>>747578248>I wonder how many models are missing the new graphicsEvery single one that is not needed for the forsaken campaign, or the multiplayer. For example human Arthas doesn't have a new model, but Uther does, because Uther is necessary for the new story.
>>747578221And it's still an improvement over reforged.
>>747572634someone fucked up on the last one thinking the trim on the cloak is metal lol
>>747578303>>747578393Nah if that is case they'll never going to go back in add them, too much work for those fucks if they only worked in the minimum and the new campaign
>>747568158>pantsdude why, like her entire visual identity hangs on her legs showing, its a literal visual contrast anchor to quickly know who the character is
>>747578460And that someone is probably an AI.
>>747566543So the terrain differences just vanish in the new version? The undead area just looks like black dirt instead of craggy weird shit.
>>747578176>I for one didn't mind the Reforged graphics,Sadly Reforged graphics are just made wrong from the start for a RTS, they are too detailed for something that is view very far back 99% of the time
>>747572742>removed the ears (wtf) AND her showing feet under her dress for reasons>jainas neck>jaina looking like a troon in general>demon chicks aswell>mfw
>>747578585It is a prequel so the lore now is that she losses the pants are some point
>>747571329i think the worst part about the Reforged models was that whenever i see them, be that in editor or campaign - they always seem to have NO fucking shading whatsoever despite being overly detailed. They look like those TF2 maps where the author didn't ass himself to compile the lights properly and it looks like the entire map is in Fullbright as a result. I dunno if thats the engine issue (Since its apparently still the same WC3 engine from 2002) or just laziness, but they would've looked 1000 times better if they had SOME fucking light/shadow contrast to them. Still, i like the new models. There are some stinkers like whitemane pants but almost all of the remakes feel pretty close artistically to WC3.
>>747578652So what? Unless you have a potato or are blind, you won't care. Spellforce units were also insanely detailed and nobody had an issue.
>>747576416This is still no excuse for big corpos to 1st hire some random chink studio and then modders just so they themselves can milk more money through skins
>>747571790Soulless trash, just look at the face and floodlights
>>747578773Spellforce units look good from afar while Reforged onces don't, it is not that complex anon you can still like them if you want
>>747578761>but almost all of the remakes feel pretty close artistically to WC3.Which for me it's a mistake, because WC3 units looked like that due to the graphical limitations. You don't have to slavishly copy that as well, you can improve upon those.It's like with that Halo 1 remake, where they still keep the copy-pasted enviroments even when they can afford to improve upon them.
>>747572634>right looks like a had botched plastic surgery>hands overproportante huge, not delicate>posture like massive constipation>scrotum chin
>Spellforce Another dead franchise
>>747568618Tight leather pants with a leather leotard on top (With metal rims on the holes at that) looks pretty fucking uncomfortable if you ask me.
Garithos-san... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKKj3DmaXNQ
>>747565590Definitive.Just look at those hips...
>>747565748The definitive version it whichever has the best overall experience. Usually that is the original, but it can be a re-released version.
>>747565590Tmits very disingenuous to show the models up close. The reforged models actually aren't horrible up-close, but in regular gameplay they make me want to puke
>>747568158>We're still supposed to pretend that the Scarlet Crusade are bad guys, when their enemies are people who do this
>>747579097>The only way he starts tolerating other races is by being flesh-pupetteered by the objectively evil side of the storyWeirdly based?
>>747576967thin your paint, this looks trash
>>747565590Middle by far looks the best. Left looks fine for a product of its time. Right looks like a prettied up version of left.
>>747565590Objectively the middle it just set off too many nostalgia fags. The new stuff looks so blocky it makes the game feel old and more like upscaled original instead of a proper remake.
>>747579310And the Definitive Edition models don't look any different from the classic from afar, because they are THIS similar.That'll be 30 bucks.
>Shartlet Cucksade and FagsakenDisgusting WoW shit. Can we just reboot the setting at this point?
>>747566543they managed to make it look like mobile gamehorribleoriginal still looks superior
>>747566543its crazy how every modern asset looks like plastic
>>747565590Left>Right>Middle
>/v/ has unironic defenders of Reforged in 2026This entire board must be purged.
>>747579554>set off too many nostalgia fagsIf the characters look nothing like their previous selves, of what use was the remake?
>>747566543FIX THE FUCKING GROUND TEXTURES
>>747579638To be fair, Blizzard oversteered with the Definitive Edition. Instead of improving the models from Reforged (that actually ARE quality models) they just went "fuck it, just upscale the models from vanilla if that's what people want".
Definitive seems the way it should have been from the startthen again I'm somewhat against the texture work of definitive models, they look too clean, too bland, like they're made of plastic, sterelized, and somewhat childish but then again, new models clearly signal the original intent, but they deviate into arbitrary changes for whatever reasonhow come starcraft II models look good to this day?even the remaster of broodwar absolutely nails the art direction sad that they neglect WC3 so hard, and took them this longbut they're trying
>>747571505You and me bro.
>>747579687Those characters looks how they are supposed to look like if you are not tied up by the 2003 graphical limitations.
>>747579687A new audience. I never really got into wc3 so I never felt the need for things to look super like the old version as long as they looked good and mostly the same. The new graphics look kinda shit to me, too blocky and not very high fidelity.
>>747579770>just upscale the models from vanilla if that's what people wantThat is what I want. Thanks blizzard
>>747579873Thank fuck I can just pirate the new expansion in protest.
is the update live?is it still runing like ASS?
>>747579798The only thing they need is more dramatic shading. Literally all it requires for BOTH definitive and reforged.You can see clear defined shadows on original models that bring out the detail and silhouette where there is physically none on the originals >>747566543Just one simple tweak for a 1000 times better result, but for some reason harsh shadows and contrast scare everyone these days
>>747573073Definitive Dreadlord looks like he has a case of Mondays.
>>747580061I wonder if they might have engine limitations.They might have rebuilt things and tried to push it, but it's still the engine of the original game, built from the late 90s to early 2000s. it's full of limitations.
>>747580061>You can see clear defined shadows on original modelsBecause those shadows are baked into the model. While the models for Reforged/Definitive have to rely on the external dynamic shadows, that the engine barely comprehends.
Now imagine these models imported into Starcraft 2https://youtu.be/p5js1CprLh8?list=PLIsEnuXheXYWfTWgglAlO8avpQ283YSlD
>>747566543You should add reforged to the top down comparison so we can really know.
Okay but why does Definitive look so clean? I can't even put my finger on it. Classic looks gritty and more detailed, but I don't understand what aspect of it makes it that way, while Definitive looks almost plastic-like. Can an art nigger explain?
>>747580181Look at >>747566543It looks clean because it literally is more clean.
>>747566543why even more cartoony with less details???>>747565590asside from smaller breasts, I prefer reforged but I don't understand why the can't just make something looks like high fidelity version of original.>>747567518>removed the move distinct aspect of her, the GIANT FUCKING GLOWING BALLS ON HER BOW>>747567829reforged was fine here. would even go with the hots version>>747569050the only decent definitve one so farbut it still has those needlessly cartoony textures, like on the gun. like it's TF2 or something>>747570215not terrible, but why the kneesocks and big head?>>747570445wow, this one's much better>>747572634why are his lips so big>>747573073bad proportions
>>747580163>>747580152I AM talking about texturing.Definitive still tries to have some of that, which is a step in the right direction, but they are too soft and the models look very bright overall as a result.
>>747580181>Classic looks gritty and more detailedNah, Classic models always looked like low-poly toys, because technical limits. Definitive Edition just decided to match the style and make the models look like low-poly toys, without asking why the original models looked like low-poly toys.
>>747573073I actually like the reforged one. It just needed tweaking to have a better shape from above.
>>747567829Armour is too bulky
>>747579850>2003 graphical limitationsIt's about the chibification of the units, it's a design language which wasn't respected in reforged. Arthas isn't a toy midget who jumps around like a goofy tard, dragons aren't supposed to be that small, they're made smaller so you understand wtf is happening. Some units crouch so that their movements, not only their looks, telegraph their identities instantly. Their gait, stance and speed also do that. All that design language was fucking gone from reforged. Saying graphic fidelity matters is true but what matters more is visual identity of the game, the design language and the overall picture of the battlefield. Reforged was made by people who are talented at making MOBA heroes, not RTS units which are supposed to be led around in an army.>>747579851>The new graphics look kinda shit to me, too blocky and not very high fidelityIf reforged was made by people who knew wtf they were doing, it would have looked better while still looking like warcraft. As it looks now, it's just a mish mash kitsch of tall units who look good in screenshots but are terrible to look at in a fight. Autism this, autism that, it doesn't change the reality that Warcraft3's visuals are a key aspect of its popularity, something which wasn't understood by the Reforged team.
>>747580342these are the kind of people who think that squirrels in vanilla wow were made out of four triangle as an artistic choice.
>>747580281Probably it was accidental. Like trying way too much to stay on model to the point you focus too much on the base look without some small details.and some of it was accidental in the original too, some textures were done really rough, so they gave the impression they were more gritty, but in reality some of it was done accidentally due to strange texturing methods in addition to some pretty heavy limitations.Both games were done differently, definite models were done like professional models. the original were done more a "fuck shit we ball" way.
>>747580408>it would have looked better while still looking like warcraft.I agree to an extent but now we've got a half ground where the game neither looks like a modern game like reforged or visually gritty like the original.
>>747566605This is so fucking stupid, they did 2 and 3 out of order.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M7BCfIwb30
>>747580171I remember tinkering in SC2 map engine a lotand boy that thing was WC3 editor in steroids niggas could program entire games like minecraft autists shocking honestly, but blizzard just had to castrate developers with their TOC
>>747566605>what if we did the best we could do in 2004?>what if we tries to make a AAA graphics RTS?>what if we were an indie team who didn't have lots of time to dedicate to art?
>>747580171So, HotS? It uses the same engine as Starcraft 2.
>>747569856They've never seemed to be able to get the face right again. Classic looks like a cool beauty.
did they improve the replay system or added a reconnect function?
>>747576669True, wow players are obsessed with trannies, because they love becomimg them, that's why they still play the game
>>747580589Reforged would have looked better if the buildings were also redesigned, the camera would have had to also be changed, the viewing angle as well, it should have been even higher. When you have "realistically" sized units with a lot of detail, they look wrong in a game built for units which are made to look like stubby toys. What i mean is that the Reforged models are perfectly good for a whole other genre we aren't playing because it doesn't exist yet. Maybe something like Lost Ark or Diablo, an isometric ARPG in which you can control multiple units but have no huge army or base to babysit. I prefer the Definitive because just like you or anyone else can look at a 2d drawing in a comic book and use your mind to represent those characters in a 3d space inside your mind, so do i look at the small, caricature like units in Definitive or Classic and see those units in their full size.
>>747576416Is it really so easy to get a job with blizzard?
Eh, I like the Reforged graphics. They have this cool high fantasy style to them.
>>747565590Why is she so pale here? She's not an undead unit, and the original had quite bright skin.Her face being pretty much asphyxiated is the most concerning for me.
>>747581201Where are the veins?
>>747581198I find reforged perfectly readable, maybe the units are a bit small.
>>747581317It's probably because I'm playing on a maximum zoom-out.
>>747581201Pale representation matters.
>>747570560When did they forget how to make models transparent?
Those graphics are terrible. Worse than HOTS. Also the campaign looks like dogshit that tries to tie wc3 to WoW.
>>747581137I mean, the HDTF guy got a job for them at one point... So there was a time when it was easy.
>>747581198This is apparently the "unreadable" artstyle?So, here's Spellforce 3 as a comparison pic.
>>747581137yes, they barely have any talent left
>>747581416If it was some modern UE AAAA shit i'd say it's because transparency is still pretty computationally expensive in rendering, but this is fucking WC3 engine and the models dont have such insane polycounts to justify saving CPU bandwidth, so someone conciously thought it was a better looking idea.
>>747566605>OriginalNot overly detailed, exaggerated proportions, shading is textured on the skin. Looks good.>ReforgedOverly detailed super-realistic UE5 enjoyer-tier model made by 'this man'. Looks like shit.>DefinitiveAwful lighting, looks less detailed than original because the textures are too clean. Looks like a plastic toy. Looks like a mobile game.
Behead all Reforged defenders
>>747571580Stop making the skulls bigger
>>747571580All these years pass and somehow blizzard knocks it out of the park with a SECOND demake.
Where are the stockings AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>747571509How is it that the new graphics somehow look LESS detailed than the original ones, when the original ones had like 5 polygons to them?
>>747572228I think the shoulder pads and stuff need to be a little sleeker so they fit with the shroud.
>>747572634>same face as 90% of white trannies
>>747567076This, where is the cinematic realism? Why do companies insist on making games look like childish faggotry?
>>747572634Pretty good. The best one.
>>747582235It's the shading
God, Warcraft turned to absolute dogshit.
>>747572768These models are really good.
>>747582401Blizzard didn't realize the only market for wc3 was nostalgiafags when they made reforged.
>>747581109>Reforged would have looked better if the buildings were also redesignedAnd everything else as well, trees, mountains, valleys, etc. everything should have been much bigger to make up for those taller, bigger, more detailed units. Buildings had to be much bigger and become something more than just magical boxes out of which units pop out at regular intervals. They would have also required the exact same 10x increase in detail which the units received. So for example, the Human Keep should have had towers on which soldiers would have been lookouts or big walls patrolled by soldiers. The huge defense human towers should have been manned by units as well. Night elves should have been able to mount the ancients units and move around with them. The necropolis should have been able to float around and corrupt new lands, taking over gold mines.So much work would have had to have been done in order to make up for these new large units which look jarring when right behind them you have these toylike buildings with almost zero detail on them, because they're just symbols for a fortress/gold mind/barracks/etc. The point is that you cannot change the design language just for one part of the game while neglecting the rest. Just like Reforged designs look bad when put next to Definitive or Classic units and buildings, so do Reforged designs from 2020 look bad when placed near anything else which used the symbolism of minimalism when being designed 20 years ago.
>>747573053Really good design.
>>747582504Warcraft has always looked like a cartoon.
>>747582187Dude, the people working on the game told the managers she is wearing pants. Shut up or they'll figure out it's a very long strap from her garter belt. We have to be smart about this.
>>747582624Except for reforged, yes. Also original wc3 wasn't trying to look like a cartoon, it had to look like a cartoon. but even then it's grungy as fuck.
I don't understand why they went with this cartoony style instead of a more gritty and detailed art like the one you see in the cutscenes and concept art. Reforged kind of tried to go that direction but they fucked it up because they deviated too much from the original models and just looked like shit in general. I always thought the original concept art looked amazing but you couldn't pull it off with graphics back then. Why can't we have that now?
>>747573053The new models are very inconsistent in quality. This one looks good.
>>747573053sfm where?
>>747582692>it's grungy that means it's adult and realisticLook at this shit >>747582714 That's a Hanna-Barbera cartoon.
>>747582714>Why can't we have that now?Because nobody wants that.
>>747572742there is zero consistency here.
Warchasers. Home.
>>747582892I never said adult and realistic, just not cartoony and clean.
>>747565590Here's your Definitive Whitemane, anon.
>>747583035At this point i'm thinking they should have at least been pantyhose instead of whatever that is.
>>747583035Why they did that tho?
>>747566605>people were criticizing Reforged's attemps, so now he have this goofy motherfucker insteadAutists are the worst. There was nothing wrong with the Reforged's footmen.
>>747583274god I miss hots
>>747579404They have a storyline in retail now where you roll into Stromgarde and suppress a peasant uprising (who are trying to oust filthy horde refugees) by force, take down their democratically elected leader, and put the king back in place so that he can force his subjects to put up with orcs walking around their lands.
>>747583310Well, from the fact that there's a new hero coming to HOTS, we can gather they're renewing their support for the game
>>747583189I think we should round up all of the commies and throw them into asylums.
>>747583289Deforged is dogshit
>>747583376Which is actually good. I can finally uninstall league and not have to deal with those constant battle passes and 300 euro skins.
>>747583310they asking 20 bucks for 1 hero now a literall who on top of that.
>>747583485Just grind gold and get it for free?
>>747582906So true, sister. This is what modern gamers want. Not that incel chud art.
>>747583459I've also switched to LoL after HotS died, but I'm really enjoying it. Don't know if I'll go back
>>747583539I have everyone for free on dota
>>747565590So ive checked it out in the editor,Aperently they only remade the units that are in skirmish maps and in the new campaign.So all Campaign units that are in other campaigns use the Reforged models.This also applies to neutral creeps that dont appear in skirmish maps and "neutral" factions like Fel Orcs and Naga.So basically fuck using the new graphics set for any custom map ever.Just so you know.
>>747583557Lol is better in so many ways but the heroes are all incredibly samey compared to stuff like deathwing.
>>747583035But seriously, did anyone actually think nublizz won't censor everything?
>>747583675Yeah, it doesn't have experimental heroes like Vikings, Abathur or even Sgt. Hammer. But it does have Urgot. HotS does not have Urgot.
>>747583745They didn't censor everything, that's the point. It's literally just Whitemane. Exclusively.
>>747583543I'm still mad they didn't make dark elves and instead chose to change the shade of the skin on humans and elves. Every time they can use their diversity excuse to add something to the game, they instead make a half assed effort, as if they didn't actually give a damn to begin with.
>>747583776Isn't reworked Urgot an abomination?
>>747583845I've only started playing around the Udyr rework. I really like Urgot, he's satisfying to play. I like him so much, I don't play any other heroes.
>>747583805Really, nigga? Guess I should be happy she's not wearing a hijab?
>>747565684nobody:this anon: so anyway i love huge cocks
>>747583805>They didn't censor everything, that's the point. It's literally just Whitemane. Exclusively.Looking at this makes me remember an assassination attempt on a chinese gacha CEO like 5 years ago. Some guy got upset that the company made sexy bunny suit skins for the characters he loved in the gacha game and he picked up a knife and went to their HQ. He was caught and arrested, nobody was injured. When questioned, he said that the characters were treated as "whores" by having bunny suit skins and he had to defend their honor.So what i'm thinking here is that there's some guy at blizzard or wherever these models were made, who really REALLY likes Whitemane, and treats her life his personal "waifu", so he felt it was his duty to make sure her thighs aren't visible.
>>747583921>Guess I should be happy she's not wearing a hijab?Yes
>>747584116Shan't be buying sorry
Why is no one talking about the campaign?You guys play games right?
>>747584140I'm not paying 30 dollars for a custom campaign, anon. At least the graphic update is free.
If they fix Whitemane and add a few extra units and heroes, I may consider buying
>>747584140>Pay extra for mini campaignUhhhh no? I'll just play custom campaigns
>>747584140>You guys play games right?Uncensor the thighs...
>adds a meme campaign>not adding the Blood Elves as their own faction>not adding the Naga as their own faction with their own campaign>the new campaign is Forsakenslop...but they're still part of the Undead instead of their own factionFor $30 they should have focused on Varian rebuilding the Alliance, the Night Elves joining the Alliance, Thrall making sure the peace holds and beating up centaurs all over Kalimdor and Arthas cleaning up the aftermath in Northrend
>>747584471But people love Sylvanas and Forsaken!
>>747584471>For $30 they should have focused on Varian rebuilding the Alliance, the Night Elves joining the Alliance, Thrall making sure the peace holds and beating up centaurs all over Kalimdor and Arthas cleaning up the aftermath in NorthrendNononononono keep WoWfaggotry away from the RTS, for all that is holy, do not fuck it sideways with the retardation from retail.
