Selune bad Shar good
This or Divinity 2?
>trying to kill the hag after accepting the hag-eye (blind-play)>get through the basement after struggling on tactician>get to the bitch in the cave>level 3, so completely outmatched>*lightbulb*>use the ogre horn I got earlier >the kick the hag of the bridge then destroy the cage, killing them bothGot a chuckle out of me
>>747569996The polish is a little less but the combat is much tighter and more exciting compared to BG3 being pretty slow in the start
>>747570589I remember the fight against the masked people in the hag's basement as being the hardest in the game when I played BG3 the first time on tactician. Then I couldn't figure out how to free the girl and she fell to her death lmao
>>747569754Dropped this game after getting softlocked on Myrkul. Absolute dogshit design.
I love the little extra dialogue you get with her as a Selunite
>Gloomstalker Assassin DurgeThis was mechanically and narratively fun. Incentivised to be a dick most of the game just do I could get the Bhaalist armor.
>>747569754That fight against her cult in act 3 is absolute fucking bullshit if you made her betray SharWhat the FUCK do you mean you can't cast an AoE spell there because of some gay ass darkness cloud it's a fucking AoE, just chuck it in that general direction for gods' sake
>goddess who wants to bring an end to all creation>because she's jealous>only way she can convince people to worship her is by wiping and warping their memoriesit really is a wonder that the entire party didn't just immediately curbstomp shady to death the second they discovered who she was
>>747573369Skill issue
>>747573493Those whould consider that an option don't care enough about it enough to be bothered by the fact. You think Wyll or Karlach are gonna do it?
she cucks you
>>747573493To be honest everything about her behaviour just screams "I'm just in my teenage rebel phase and trying to appear much more dark and edgy than I actually am, I'm probably going to grow out of it pretty quickly"Her heart was clearly never in it the way it was for other Sharans and weirdo dark cultists you meet
>>747573493>curbstomping the cutest girl of all time Very gay
>>747569754I love brooding Shar sluts so much, bwos
>>747573698I cucked her first, so it's only fair
>>747573746Also we know that Viconia was constantly wiping her memories to keep her in line.
>>747569754Baldur's Gate 3 bad.
>>747573698Anon she's literally 50 years old, were you expecting her to be a virgin
>>747573853who wasn't getting their memories wiped in shar's basement? they had a fucking mirror that just gobbles memories right there, and the service they were offering was removal of bad memories
>>747573930wtf no she isn’t she looks like she’s 37 at the oldest
>>747569754>the evil goddess of being an edgy cunt expects me to kill people? Nah I'm out.what did she mean by this?
>>747574003I think the implication is that with Shadowheart it was being done against her will. When we visit her secret hideout in the Sharran temple, you can see she wrote notes to herself to try to remember, one of them goes something like>She'll make me look in the mirror again, she'll make me forget, my name is-
>>747569754rimjob queen
>>747574124I’d rimjob her queen if you know what I mean
>>747574049In Act 3, when you're ransacking the Sharran Cloister, she finds files that Viconia has on her and says "40 years of my life in these documents". From Shadowheart's flashback, we know Viconia took her somewhere around the age of 10. So yeah, she's about 50.
>>747569754Gods badAlso Karlach best girl
>>747574049She's a half-elf, AnonI have no clue whether we actually know her canonical age, she definitely acts pretty young, but she certainly might be older than she looks
>>747573746She's in her 30's though...
>>747572947That fight was utter horseshit, so I'm committed to not going anywhere until she's dead because of how frustrating that fight was, but I did roll back my save to try again. Good to know that fight is an outlier in terms of difficulty
Shar makes zero sense.I enjoyed the game, but looking into any of the background of dnd shit just makes my eyes roll.Best to just not think about it really
>>747574271she's around 50, kidnapped at around 10 and spent 40 years in the cloister
>>747569754Man faced ugly woke bitch. Looks like the lead singer for type o negative. Bitch looks like the kurgan from Highlander.Bitch has a manlier face than the insomniac wolverine but thats not saying anything.In the words of Mike Myers...THAT'S A MAN BABY!
>>747574314Women are perpetually children mentallySo that is an accurate behavior and characteristic for her
>>747573746Evidence shows thst Shadowheart was generally averse to killing and torture, she had to be actively gaslit into thinking Shar was a "Good" deity and that all her darkness shit was just to protect her followers, and then they'd memory wipe any remotely positive experience she has with a Selunite
>>747574521Why are her eyebrows mismatched and why does she look like a tranny?
>>747574391Looks like clavicular
>>747574280Why did they put the male face on the female body?
>>747574393D&D worldbuilding is 99% dogshit, but to be honest in a world where gods are genuine real beings with divine powers to supernaturaly influence their followers you would expect at least some of them and their cults to be batshit crazy crap like this instead of just a 100 different variants of fertility/harvest/war/protector deity like IRL
>>747574220>>747574410WHAT THE FUCK SHE’S A FUCKING GRANNY GODDAMN I HATE THIS SHIT I FUCKING HATE THIS WHAT THE FUCK
>>747569754The cast generally feel like they all should have been a lot younger and less experienced, Lae'zel does this and her arc and attitude is generally more enjoyable. It's weird that every character is written as being on the precipice of the pinacke of their abilities just before getting the tadpole. It weirdly feels like they're breaking a cardinal rule of character creation.Hell even Durge could have been presented as the young kid on Bhaals block threatening big sis Orin with his purer blood and bloodlust than her as opposed to Bhaals 100% most favorite
>>747574914Have you heard of the High Elves?
>Still not good cosplay pornpathetic
>>747574361Bring a water bottle
>>747575023Have a more manly chin i fucking dare you!Its like someone added tits to the gigachad mene
>>747575050Either that or an ice arrow/ice spell
>>747574941Yeah I agree with this. Like imagine how much more interesting Wyll would be if he *just* got banished from Baldur's Gate like a year ago and the fact that you're all heading back there is a massive deal since he's technically risking execution or something. It feels like everyone we meet had their big character development moment, then spent 10 years or so on the road dealing with the consequences before meeting Tav. I think the only character who this really works for is Astarion, because him being a slave for almost 200 years explains so much about why he's such a bastard.
>>747575023Shame we can't get this without mods
>>747575031>No good cosplayReal females who cosplay dont look manly enough for the character.Im sure an ugly tranny could pull it off if you paid them.
>>747575202>Without modsA chin that size on a female would definitely require modifications.
>>747569754Act 3 sucksEvil Route sucksGame sucks
>>747575325You need to watch less anime
>>747569754Corrupting her using Tav's Selunite pussy is hot and fun
>>747574510>>747574691>>747574756>>747574839>>747575183>>747575267>>747575325what made you this way
>>747575365Good route while being a pretty big dick about everything is generally a more enjoyable evil route than the actual Evil route.
>>747575448Unironically woke people like you did.I just wanted to play games but you fags keep shoving gay shit in my games against my will.
>>747575202Always thought it was odd that she dyed her hair white. Like obviously I get the symbolism, rejecting Shar and embracing Selune, but I think it would have worked better if her hair was naturally brown, blonde, or red and she simply washed out the black hair dye she was using as a Sharran. Like throwing off the corruption and being who she was always meant to be, rather than just swapping blind devotion to one god for blind devotion to another.
>>747575448Peoples attraction to Shadowheart made him realize he has a very effeminate jawline so now he has to make himself feel better by repeating that Shadowheart has a hyper masculine and manly facial structure because the alternative is admitting he's a cute little twink.
>>747574104The Sharran groomers failed to fully remove the inherent goodness in her heart.
>>747574393Her memory was constantly wiped to mold her and keep her in line. And the whole point was to make a daughter of Selune followers into a Shar harbinger out of Shar pettiness.
>>747575201Wyll seems even more egregious when he is not only an established guy, but you immediately pick apart his entire life within 5 minutes of meeting him with karlach.That whole folk hero side should have stayed a larp on his part and he should've been a morally bankrupt demon hunter akin to those paladins you meet.No idea why they felt the need to sand him down.
I've been slowly playing this via couch co op.Shadowhearts sucks
>>747575570none of what you just said has anything to do with an obsession with shadowheart, to the point where you'd enter a shadowheart thread and post the same exact insult a dozen times just as quick as you could get off post cooldown
>>747575697It's kind of annoying, because apparently in all the time he's been working for Mizora, this contract on Karlach is somehow the first time he's had to do something morally questionable. He's either1. A massive liar (which would have been interesting, had they explored it)2. Telling the truth, in which case Mizora is probably the nicest devil in the entire setting
>>747575607The fact her natural hair color is pitch black in the flashback definitely makes it odd thematically but that might be a personal bias. Guys tend to see dying your hair as a form of cover up. Your hair is an intrinsic part of yourself, dying it is superficial and doesn't change anything about you. Women tend to interpret more genuine significance from hair alteration.
>>747575697>>747575878Wyll is just a massive clusterfuck of a character. Which is a shame because with the way Warlocks work from a roleplay perspective an Origin for Warlocks that gives you a Patron who is much more active and involved in the story's events would have been pretty good and I think he has a much better springboard for a relationship with Karlach than either a Durge or a Tav do.
>Gale, a wizard and devotee of Mystra who stole forbidden power in a legendary act of divine disobedience, and is now a walking bomb who puts hundreds of thousands of lives at risk carelessly>Karlach, living weapon of the hells who has been working as muscle for actual devils for decades doing who knows what>Astarion, a vampire spawn who has been sourcing virginal young boys for rapemurdervore for his master for decades>Shadowheart, a cleric in service of a goddess that wants to end existence>Lae'zel, a githyanki in service to a life devouring lich queen>Wyll, a black manit's weird how the initial party all come off as morally good when literally all of them are at least partially evilI think that's why halsin is such a standout, weird addition later on, because he's just a genuinely good guy
>>747573493it's like meeting an edgy teen girl, you put up with it for the easy pusy
>>747576469>Lae'zel, a githyanki in service to a life devouring lich queenThis is literally every single githyanki. They all act this way and believe this. So I don't consider Lae'zel emblematic of this problem with the rest of the cast.
>>747576469EA Wyll > Release Wyll
>>747576487The first rule of Shar club is that you do not talk about Shar club.
>>747576469>Wyll, a black man
>>747576628well yeah, all gith are evil
>>747576679They pretty much ripped out all nuance in the character.
>>747576718I could've wrote that he's a warlock who has been doing the bidding of a very evil bitch for years, but that was funnier.
>>747576469>I think that's why halsin is such a standout, weird addition later on, because he's just a genuinely good guyLocal sex pest.
>>747569754Yes.
>>747576487>My Selunite Tav going "how fascinating, please tell me more" whenever she starts yapping about Shar
Redeemed Durge priest of Selune + Redeemed Shadowheart is pure cinema.
>selunite tavsurely you were all playing paladins with that one mod, right? you didn't all actually roll clerics, right?
>>747569754Why is she so beautiful and funny, bros? She's my favorite companion.
which way, selunite man?
>>747573698Don't you have to go out of your way and confirm a dialogue option for the cucking to happen?
>>747576743Oh, you're talking more about how they're all kind of assholes. I thought you were referring to them all having super special backgrounds and pasts that make them super duper important.Yeah. The party is made up of assholes. I personally never got the impression that the party was made up of "Good people". Some of them have good natures but their history results in all of them being different flavors of fucked up. Personally I quite liked it but I did sort of wish the game catered to the roleplay arc of being a dick bag mercenary and slowly turning into a Hero. With how I play it's often very funny because I'll be a huge asshole 99% of the time but draw the line at eating babies and the game will treat me like a paragon of virtue whose overcome the darkest inclinations of the heart.
>>747576948I do not play Tav.
>>747577000God of lesbians or pure evil god? Hard choice.
>>747576948why wouldn't you play the best class in dnd?
>>747577000Nice trips but
Sex
>>747576948I typically prefer having a "classic" party composition of Fighter/Wizard/Cleric/Rogue and I generally always have Shadowheart in my party but I don't like having doubles of a class so I generally don't play cleric, and if I'm going so far as to dramatically change up everyone's classes I'm more likely to do something thematic like making Lae'zel a War Priest of Vlaakith or make Gale a Priest of Mystra
My playthrough
>>747577198Why does Mystra looks so fucking bad compared to every other God portrayed in the game? Even Gale looks more like a divine being in his God ending.
>>747577000>>747577198>that faceNo wonder she's been seething for an eternity
>the most evil god in the universe>blackOuch
>>747576948>surely you were all playing paladins with that one mod, right?Yes, obviously. If I'm roleplaying as a holy character, I want to smite enemies with my mace, not cast light spells on them like a pussy
>>747577435she's the goddess of nerds, she doesn't have to try very hard
>>747576469I find it absolutely ridiculous how after being a slave soldier in literal Hell for years (and apparently not even a regular foot soldier, but a champion) Karlach comes off as being a cheerful, friendly, altruistic girl with some mild anger issues. Not particularly traumatised in any way, not genuinely bitter or cynical, not even a pragmatist looking out for herself. Like, I'm not saying she should be broken-broken or that she can't still be a good person, but you don't survive something like this and keep acting like an innocent kindergarten cartoon protagonist
her pussy smells really bad.
>hottest characters have 0 porn
>>747577689Honestly if they wanted their happy-go-lucky giant teddy bear character, they should have just made her a bard.
>>747569996dos1>dos2>bg3 in combat gameplayif you are looking the whole picturedos2>bg3>dos1
>>747577807people would need to get past the first act to encounter those
Talking to Shadowheart at camp while background music playing is one of the most comfy things in gaming.
Kino playthroughRedemption Durge & Redemption Shart as LI
>>747574361The Hag's lair is a lvl 5 encounter. It's just that there's no skill checks or combat encounters preventing you from going there at lvl 2 directly after the Grove fight. Same with the Gith patrol, but at least that one has your character literally tell you that you're too low level before approaching. Act 1 is actually very open-ended with not too many gates if you completely ignore the guiding direction of the narrative and have prior knowledge of where everything is and what to avoid.
>>747578428Hell, you can even skip straight ahead to Act 2 if you feel like it, there's nothing stopping you from just making a beeline to the mountain pass and from there to the Shadowcursed lands. I saw a speedrunner do it in literally 15 minutes.
>first time playing BG3>pick draconic bloodline drow sorcerer>expect people to freak out that I'm part dragon>they ignore that and call me a nigger instead
I might play balding gays 3 after finishing MotB. But I'm gonna romance this cutie since I heard Shadowhore constantly tries to cuck you with the bodybuilding elf
>>747569754>Jesus Christ bad>Alah goat fucker goodThis is how you sound.
>>747569754I got atheist Shar, and Ive never met another player who got that.
>>747578575>"With an invisibility potion, you can go anywhere you want." Volo said to himself, out loud.
>>747578691in their universe they've successfully kept racial segregation between layers of the planet's crust, so understandably you breaking that social contract is a bit more surprising than your mum taking scalie cock
>>747578428The giant spider, gnoll fight, and Hag are all level 5. You run into 3 bosses in a row for that.
>>747573493Because she's a genuinely good person. Even Laezel warms up to her eventually.
>>747578905>"I've never done this eye surgery before, there could be arteries anywhere."
>>747578415That's exactly what i did. The ending felt like one of those "hero settles at the frontier with his love interest" stories.
>>747578982then why are they all completely chill when you shank fagstarion
>>747578691Sorcerer specific options are very sparse and bloodline options are nearly nonexistent. But the class itself is insanely good so it doesn't matter.If you picked fire sorc, there's a hat in chapter 2 that will enable an insane synergy.
>>747571049DOS2 is pretty slow at the start too, since you tend to burn through your cooldowns and have pretty bad gear until around level 5.Well unless you steal everything, I suppose.
>>747577039>Schrodinger's cuck
>>747579216Because he tried to drink your blood in the middle of the night
>>747579383shadowheart tries to murder lae'zel in the middle of the night
>>747577039No, you literally can't get cucked. The most you can do is have a threesome.The entirety of the cuck posting comes from one legitimately insane poster who played as origin Shadowheart, romanced Halsin and then spent months on end spamming screencaps while pretending it was a cuck scene.I have to wonder if Swen went to an asylum and fucked some of the inmates' mothers in front of them, because the game attracted a whole cast of complete lunatics.
>>747579603Well, you can't find women that identify themselves as lizards anywhere else so that man has to hunt
>>747573493Death cults in BG 3(or this could be attributed to DND?) are weird. They come off as bunch of larpers that actually don't want to destroy everything.
>>747579771Because almost no one knows Shar's plan to destroy the creation. This is why she constantly brainwashes her believers and you should understand that Shar is basically alone versus every single god (except lunatics like Cyric).
>>747579603You don't literally get cucked, but out of all romance options she's the only one that confesses to having (not infrequent) sexual fantasies about another character while you're already in a relationship. It's a pretty odd direction to take with the romance that's on all other accounts supposed to appeal to monogamous normies.
>>747580474Why dont gods just duke it out? How does that work?
>>747580579Because it's impossible to kill a god, you can defeat Shar in the bed a fight but if you want to kill her completely... That's impossible without very special means and even if you somehow manage to do that her portfolio still exists. That means... if you want to really kill a god (a personification of an aspect) your only way is to destroy the universe.
>>747580476I genuinely don't see why finding other people hot should be considered immoral as long you don't actually cheat on your spouse. Attraction to hot people is natural, it doesn't just switch off magically because you're in a relationship. Not acting on it is what your fucking self control is for. I'm willing to bet people sperging out over this see no issue in jerking off to 50 different waifus and wouldn't suddenly stop finding them attractive were they to get a gf
>>747580579They are. Constantly. Everywhere. All the time. Selune and Shar are primordial level deities.
>>747577051>All gith are evil>Oh, you mean assholesNo, he means evil. As in, they're in service to a life-devouring lich queen and helping to end the lives and existence of every single decent person alive in the setting and thus rightly feared and reviled. The only reason you can even co-exist with Lae'zel is that they ham fist her into the plot rather than sticking to the lore.If they had stuck to the lore, the two of you would have fought to the death immediately at that first meeting on the Leviathan at the beginning of the game and either your game would be over or she would be dead and there'd be no more story or no more Gith character depending on how that went. They're hard, unapologetic evil. Its not just a veneer that makes people upset, they'll unironically murder babies and take turns tossing them into a fire because they work for a creature that does not care about the sanctity of life.
>>747581163You seem to be under the misconception that being part of a faction with evil intentions must mean that the participants are inherently evil. Shart and Lazy both think their factions are good and have virtues but they have to be actively groomed into thinking that and it's generally pretty easy to get them to cut it out or change their opinion. You show them what's actually going on and Shart turns to Selune, Lazy wants to overthrow VlaakithIt's like thinking every single American is intrinsically evil.
>>747580870>not featured: The astral plane full of dead forgotten god bonesI mean, they can die and be forgotten. the portfolios don't. The thing is that Shar is a primordial god, not a human shitter promoted to cosmic janitor duty. I believe she, Selune And Ao are the True gods of the setting.
>>747581163>they'll unironically murder babies and take turns tossing them into a fire because they work for a creature that does not care about the sanctity of life.
>>747578728Frogfu best waifu by a mile.Astarion is cool too tho if you're a gurl or a faggot.
>>747580985Thats not your wife pushing for a devils threesome though... I agree the obsession is gay but the writer was clearly a disgusting degenerate even by my finince bro degenerate standards.Patch 1.05 Gale was the grossest character ever put into vidya. A bipolar suicidal agressive sex pest, that the writers wanted you to take glee in emotionally torturing or having gay sex with.Everything in that game wouldnt be so bad by anyone else but all those grey areas just have that perverse undercurrent to it.And fags who played the latter patches get upset when you bring it up as Larian worked overtime to fix the dumpster fire with every patch.
>>747577807>are we down badly?
>>747581461Bruh, its D&D. Being part of a faction with evil intentions DOES mean that the participants are inherently evil. D&D is not a morality play, it literally has an alignment board that very clearly and succinctly slots people into hard alignments and the gods that you serve both actually exist and have a direct and measurable impact on the world in which you live, its not simply a theoretical model of morality like it is in real life.Thinking your faction is good does not make it non-evil or make you non-evil for being part of it. Having virtues also does not make you non-evil and being groomed into it doesn't keep you from being responsible for your own actions. At any point you can walk away, choose differently, or simply kill yourself and remove an objectively evil agent from the board in a goodly act - but they're choosing consciously not to.>Its like thinking every single American is intrinsically evilI mean, I'd say its more realistic to posit that everyone from the savage lands of Not-America is, really. America is just morally dubious, like following Mask after he loses his Murder domain, or Brandobaris, or any of the other thief/trickster gods. Its an annoyance, not an Evil. But in the context of real life, there is no morally good, merely people who profess to be. In D&D you have actual Paladins and Clerics who will destroy parts of working civilizations to preserve objective goodness. In real life, there are no working civilizations outside of America to destroy, so its all pretty morally grey.
>>747578965Spider queen is easy.I stumbled upon her area while exploring and killed her by cutting the web she was on and then magic missiling her.
>>747581805Yeah, it's not a morality play. You're not the judge of ultimate moral virtue you're just some dude in a situation who has to make due. Attitudes like yours is why lots of people don't like playing with Paladins. It'd be like spazzing out over another player playing a Warlock.>America is just morally dubiousYou're literally the exact same situation as Shart and Lazy if you think this.
Should I go back and kill the witch? I forgot about that room. Doing cleanup before entering Shar's domain or whatever
>>747581805More of a pathfinder problem than Baldurs gate but I just hate how they are a bunch of Deontologists and any utilitarian acts that conflict are considered evil.
>>747580985Finding someone attractive doesn't equate to having fantasies of fucking them.
>>747582105>You're not the judge of ultimate moral virtueNo, the game is. By D&D standards, all Gith are evil. The revisionism in 5e doesn't change that, it simply creates a different standard by different creators that also happens to be wrong. Paladins and Warlocks are actually a really solid example of forcing players into a standard of OBJECTIVE good or objective evil rather than leaving it a subjective, morally-grey area and the fact that people don't like it shows very clearly that those players are uncomfortable with the very idea of objective morality, because it would preclude them from joining factions or taking acts that they want to take while maintaining their performative alignment. It actually makes for a very exciting sociology experiment to force people into a situation where, in order to maintain the power of your character, you must be objectively good or objectively evil, because a lot of people don't seem to realize what objective morality even means these days.>You're literally the exact same situation...No, we just have different standards of judgement. In my world, America is an objective good dragged down by having to coexist on the same planet as all the barbarians and savages who live on the rest of the planet, which leaves us in the morally grey area. The ideal situation would still be that everyone else, belonging to the objectively-evil factions, just kill themselves so as to preserve goodly morality, its just not very realistic because everybody else wants to live. All other things being equal, we end up somewhere in the middle when you put everyone together.That doesn't mean that Americans aren't the good guys or that thirdies aren't the bad guys when these two groups are separate, in the same vein that a Paladin is the Good Guy and Gith/Evil Worshippers are the Bad Guys when things are separate in D&D. It merely means that the party as a whole is morally grey because they're being forced by the plot to co-exist.
>>747573930>were you expecting her to be a virginShould be mandatory.
>>747578575a noob will never get past the skeletons in the mountain pass
>>747582615these are the people feeding Shar btw
>>747582105Game standards versus setting standards. By d20 lore alone, the 'right' thing to do is to kill both Shart and Lazy and go about your business feeling good that you've removed two evils from the board and nixed any further evil actions that they might take in the future. The game urges you not to because, not having a DM who can then write in a replacement character who fits better with your party's objectively-good morality, you're actually stuck with the characters they designed in advance and have to find a way to hand-wave the hard-evil alignment of 80% of your party.
>>747582770I always wondered why non of the companions were reallygoodd unlike the past games. That explian it.
>>747582560>No, the game isBG3 doesn't have alignment.>By D&D standards, all Gith are evilThat's not true though. You know that and even have to preface it by saying 5e doesn't count because it dropped racial alignments and that would go in the face of your argument. You're banking on "Objective" morality while twisting the whole setting to suit your subjective preference for how Objective morality should operate.
>>747582770By that logic a Durge player should just kill themselves on the spot. They're literal Bhaalspawn.
>>747576469>Wyll, a black manI blame Jacob for starting this mess
>>747574393The Forgotten Realms were written up by one guy with one hand on his dick, so no wonder
>>747583228They should've done more with Wyll getting punished for breaking his contract with Mizora on a good playthrough. He get's Tieflinged for sparring Karlach but he also should have gotten turned into a girl or had his memories altered for subsequent violations.
Shadowheart? More like Shadowfart.
>>747576469I mean Wyll is a nepo baby with a cambion sugar mommy redpilled into being a hired gun.Also Karlach is in the hells for a single decade.they have the same plot hooks
>>747583228>>747583561Maybe the grass is just greener, and if they'd kept his original character we'd be bitching about how he's an unlikeable asshole, but the larping fraud did sound a lot more interesting.
>>747582560By D&D standards alignment hasn't existed for like 12 years I'm sorry to say so it's a non-argument sadly.
>>747583561>turned into a girlMizora would not want that. she's perfectly capable of making wyll fuck things he do not like as punishment, including her.
>>747583228Here is Jacob's character arc>I work for cerberus>wait...are we the baddies?>sorry, I can't come along in game 3, these people NEED mehe got wrote out as eloquently as Rose from ep9
>>747583641I'm not a 4chan contrarian. I wanted Wyll to be a pretend Hero hyping himself up but actually being more in it for the Glory as opposed to helping people for the sake of helping people.Also should have been a cute girl, because the Son of a Duke who literally served in the Baldur's Gate militia having ambitions of adventure and being called a Hero and feeling the need to make a deal with the devil to do it makes zero fucking sense compared to a cloistered daughter whose career prospects involve being married off.
>>747573493Meanwhile Groetus wants the same thing but is fine just waiting for it to happen naturally.
>>747583641People seemed to like astarion enough even though he was a gay asshole.
>>747583053D&D is meant to have objective morality, that's why it has an alignment board, why it has objectively-good or objectively-evil classes like Paladins and Warlocks meant to play directly into the objective morality issue. Its following the pre-enlightenment form of morality that many religions and societies dictated in older times in human society - when people genuinely believed that their god was an objective good, and other gods were an objective evil and would bring about ruin and damnation. That's the mindset you're supposed to put yourself into when you roleplay at a D&D table. Whether you agree with it or not is immaterial, because you're not there to play as yourself, you're supposed to put yourself in the shoes of a character that exists in that world and in that time, and adjust your reasoning according to what they would think and feel in the pursuit of playing a role.>BG3 doesn't have alignmentThen its not true D&D and any further discussion on the subject is really neither here nor there.>>747583120>By that logic a Durge player should just kill themselvesYes, yes they should. They don't, because they're an objective evil behaving the way an objective evil behaves - putting themselves above the needs of others and the society in which they live, the same way the Gith and Sharrans do.
I like KarlachI look forward to all the Shartys sending me screenshots of Karlachs decapitated head.
>>747583813he only made that pact because he was gaslit by Mizora into that obvious set up situation between Tiamat and Zariel.
>>747584156>can't play with headless karlach anymore
>>747584143>D&D is meant to have objective morality, that's why it has an alignment board, why it has objectively-good or objectively-evil classes like Paladins and Warlocks meant to play directly into the objective morality issueOkay, BG3 and 5e don't have these things. Your argument isn't relevant and your conclusions only seem to be that all the characters should be really boring.
>>747578728sometimes i still think about the frog, her romance is kino.
>>747569996It's tough. Between the two, I think I actually liked Divinity better.
>>747584156How about Karlach's 2 foot long horse penis. Can I send you that?>>747584198Still amounts to Wyll being a genuine retard as opposed to having actual character flaws and an ambition.
>>747584417Tragic ending best ending. Show her love, break her chains, change her world, adventure ends and she has to go back to the Astral Plane. The Dark Urge has to stick around and hunt down any other surviving Bhaalspawn or cults.
>>747584143D&D hasn't had objective morality for almost a quarter of its existence on this earth.
>>747584495Your crazy. Divinity is a little better... till you hit the island. That last 3rd was whiplash.
>>747584717I unironically enjoyed Arx more than Baldur's Gate. The final third of BG3 was SHIT.
>>747584765Larians biggest issue is always the end. I just felt BG3 was their best yet, with no game coming close to as awful as the original Divinity. Ive been 80% done for 3 years and just can not finish.
>>747574049She's half elf. For half elfs 50 is around the same as 25 for humans according to the old DND Dungeon Master Guide. (new ones don't have age charts anymore)Shadowheart isn't going to be middle aged until she is 100+
>>747585117This afflicts every CRPG. The genre is infested with bloated playtimes and drawn out campaigns. I would genuinely like developers to cut to the chase. I would much rather have a shorter campaign than a tonne of replayability than a 100+ hour long campaign with two actually good paths while everything else sort of fizzles out of relevance because they didn't have time write in nuanced dialogue.
>>747584717The Isle of the Gods is indeed absolutely terrible, but it does improve once you get to Arx.Likewise the start of Baldur's Gate is boring, but once you get past the gate and into the real quests, it gets a lot better. I think BG3 wins out simply because you can skip most of the shit parts, rather than being forced into completing an entire island of filler.
>>747583228The thing I like about Jacob is if you play a Sole Survivor Shep, the first thing he says to you when you leave the space station is>"Hey let's go over your history real quick. Remember that time when Cerberus set thresher maws on your entire unit for shits and giggles? Anyway, I work for Cerbereus, welcome to the team". It felt like someone on the writing staff was (justifiably) really annoyed that the game was forcing you to work for Cerberus and slipped that in there.
>>747573698>>747574124Shadowharlot
>>747585341I always wonder how Witcher 3 did it, where the side quests were more interesting than the main plot. Felt the same in CP2077, though I was much less invested in the main plot and it had some sloggy side quests.>>747585382Larians biggest strength by far are the horror settings. Least they kept some in Chapter 3 BG3. Divinity you just go from peak to trough.
>>747585878Well, the main thing is that neither Witcher 3 nor Cyberpunk are CRPGs, that kind of helps
What did we think of the 17 minute long porn animation of her trials?
>>747577807somebody made a porn mod of the zombie nurse with full dialog choices it's futa>>>/aco/9252241
>>747574393Its aligment based zoomernon. Evil aligment people/races worship evil aligment gods etc etc. Google dnd aligment for more info.
>>747574220>>747574914SHE WAS 49 YEARS AND 364 DAYS OLD YOU SICK FUCK
>>747585993Kek, fuck off. I dont think it does help as no other games in other genres pull it off either.
>>747580476>"she's the only one that confesses to having (not infrequent) sexual fantasies about another character while you're already in a relationship"She hasn't said anything like this in my run where I romanced her. Why are you making stuff up? The only character she said was hot was the ugly Tiefling dyke
>>747586402Neither do those games? Almost everyone talks about the burnout players got around Skellige and Cyberpunk isn't even good.
>>747586532>hasn't said anything like this in my run>Why are you making stuff up?We don't hate zoomers enough.
>>747574941Not really. They are written as capable journeymen and it fits pretty well. Only exception is gale who did level 20 shenanigans in his backstory and somehow ended up not knowing how to cast magic missile. Gale is not well written at all.
>>747586648Those arent peak side quest rebuttles though.
Why are biofem BG3 fans like this?
>>747584685Just because the lunatics have taken over the asylum and are running it into the ground out of sheer spite doesn't mean that its a good thing that happened or that it shouldn't be changed in the future.
>>747586915BG3 is actually fascinating in this regard, it's the only game I've played where the weird gooner mod stuff seems to come entirely from women.>inb4 "women"Go look on Nexus, they're laser-focused on Astarion and Gale. If they were trans they'd be doing the "transbian" thing and sticking with Shadowheart/Karlach.
>>747586817Worst written character in vidya, but to your point the mind flayer parasite drained them all down to lvl 1.
>>747578207No
>>747587042Vampires man. Twilight printed.
>>747587042It's fascinating seeing how no matter the game the aesthetics of the modbeasts still resemble secondlife.
>>747569996whichever one's visuals you're more interested in. they're both great and flawed in their own ways..
>>747585648What!
>>747586874Saying you like them because you do isn't an objective claim to quality either.
>>747573510I always made my 'walls' go up the stairs at a slight angle, does making a great wall of bullshit work better?
>>747580476i won't deny that it's an odd direction written by a gay deviant appealing to EAtards begging for more halsin content, but i don't see anything too wrong about her admitting to having fantasies rather than being secretivegiven that you two are only actually together closer to the end of act 2 (suggested by the response you can give to withers calling her a bosom companion), there's plenty of time between meeting the sex pest and getting together for her to fantasize
>>747586302Evil people are self serving, but followers of an evil god act against their own interests consistently to an absurd degree.Nevermind how a cult of entirely mindwiped people would function in daily activities, the very nature of it is counterintuitive.With the gith one could make the excuse that they don't know their leader is eating them, but sharrans do know, it is part of their core beliefs and they don't do anything about it.
>>747586986I think that in particular is a good thing. I like alignment, but dislike it being objective
>>747586060We thought the part where her childhood friend plapped her was very hot
>>747587323They are empirically lauded. Im not even sure what you are arguing here. I suggested it was a skill issue. If that's not the case and no game does it than thats that. You are just asking for the impossible. So...Though after this exchange I think the problem definitely lies with you. I feel you are not happy often. Though THATs actually just a feeling.
>>747587420Think of it this way. You have dog breeds, a pitbull is gonna follow the god of munching baby faces, a labrador is gonna follow the god of good boys, and a wolf dog is gonna follow the wolf god of strength.The point is that in dnd aligment universe, people are not tabula rasha but inherently act and think in a way or another overall.
>>747587337Yes. The idea is Hunger of Hadaar at the bottom of the steps creates a huge darkness field, stopping them from casting spells on you unless they want to wade into my tripple overlapping death field. If they do get close enough, my Tav (Wizard) and Wyll (Warlock) both have counterspell. Hunger of Hadaar on its own is absolutely OP, but when you pair it with even one other AOE spell, any place where you can create a chokepoint becomes an insta-win.You can also easily defeat Gortash on Honor Mode by doing this too, just get someone in your party to lure him and his goons up the ladder to the bell tower, plop down your AOEs, and then pepper them until they die.
>>747587548I thought Mother Superior edging her was hotter.
>>747573369>storm sorcerer run>a single round of my storm sorc removes 75% of the encounter without even letting other characters get a turn
Best use of this armor? Seems like spellcasters want something like Robe of the Weave and martials all have a bevy of seemingly better options.
>>747586915astarion being good while in the hands of a mod demon should tell you how good he is as a design.
>>747588929wear it to look cool. casters don't need it because at that point they're one button encounter ending machines.martials wear either heavy or light armor and do the clean up work after the caster wins the fight.such is the fate of dnd
>>747588929Honestly can't think of any. Maybe a swords bard since it's harder for them to jack their AC up and acuity gear makes rove of the weave useless.
I wanna mention that i am using a Shadowheart with a penis in Blender. And yes - it's cute, feminine and soft.
>>747589575bit gay, lad
>>747589575Shadowheart should be locked until she brings the artifact back.
>>747589575
>>747589575Poison using me as a flesh light is hot, but this is just gay.
>>747573698She cant cuck you if you killer her after/before you fuck her.>t.Durge
>>747589575fffffag
>>747589610>>747590892>>747591000>>747591860I disagree, because she's still a girl.
>>747592029lad...that's a bit gay
>>747592134I'm okay with it if it's only a bit :)
>>747577807Glad i wasn't the only one attracted to them.
>>747574224karlach is reddit
>>747574003>removal of bad memoriesSign me up.
>>747593763they all come out babbling idiots who can't even remember the way home
>>747572947For me it was the Gnoll fight at level 2 or 3 when I tried to dodge around the village the goblins are occupying. This then led me to eventually wiping my party against the Spectator encounter in the Underdark at level 3 or 4. You really can get yourself pretty well fucked in the game early on.
>>747572947>>747595181Funny, I don't remember really struggling with anything in act 1 or 2, but some fights in act 3 are fucking me up hard right now
>>747585253>human young adult>14 - 20What the fuck why are DnD players such pedos.
>>747583881Imagine how glorious it must be to have absolutely nothing to prove at any point. Rovagug already had his Broly arc even his sequel movie is predestined. But Groetus doesn't even need a movie. Whenever the Happening happens, he's already won.
>>747595469That is literally the definition of Young Adult. Like in YA literature. A 15 year old is a teenager, but for most of human history was also an adult that was expected to do adult things, even if they were likely overseen by a man that was in his 20s or 30s. Even today we let them drive, work, and accept they're going to have sex with peers.
>>747596630diddy ahh cope frfr
>>747578207Divinity's story and lore is ass.
>>747575697The game needed at least one simple Lawful Good companion.
I can't get over the initial choice paralysis.
>>747577689Yeah, Karlach is fun, but she's really bad at fitting with her backstory. The heart thing is cool and all, but it should have been a recent alteration that fucked her up as one of Gortash's experiments before he dumped her into the brainworm machine. Rather than it being linked to her being a veteran of the worst war ever imaginable.
>>747597464>diddy posting unc coded
>>747576948i did a paladin with a cleric dip
>>747569996DOS2. I think they're about equal gameplay-wise, but there's more room to experiment with builds and compositions and the writing is significantly better.
>>747569754Think she's good at oral?
>>747574393A lot of the evil gods just make zero sense as figures of worship. Like there's literally no reason to worship Lolth, it's all downside and no benefit
>>747585341Goes back to games like Ultima 1 and 2 being basically 'life simulators' where you weren't even meant to ever beat the game but instead wander around chilling and killing for a few months until a new installment came out.
>>747601062If you were born and raised in Menzoberranzan, and didn't get out much, then Lolth dogma would be drilled into you and you'd likely ascribe all the good things in your life to your devotion to her. I guess.
>>747578207lol, fuck you retard, bg3 has the best combat out of all of them.enemy & spell variety alone tops the scale.fucking idiot.
>>747598245>writing is significantly betterway to discredit your opinion.because malady busting out of nowhere in a major asspull is good writing yeah, bg3 has far better characters and story and quest design, at least the side quests matter in that game.divinity barely has choices and branches, and its not even rendering in cutscenes so they had no excuse for the game to turn out so linear, generic and retarded.
>>747601987>widely feared and shunned by everyone else>isolated underground where your only city is built>occasionally fed to or transformed into giant spiders in human sacrificial rituals>some sex pervert lore about their social birthing habitsLiving like savages in a cave sure does make one feel gracious.One can only imagine drow are just completely raped aside from the few that were freed from slavery by some other god.
>>747603019Maybe he really likes cursed fire surfaces.
>>747577039You have to leave her at camp and never let her see Chadsin or his natural pheromone musk will claim her permanently
>>747603421I still don't know how to get Halsin to live past the goblin camp so it was never a problem for me, he's always hostile
>>747579603You mean the legitimately insane Lae'zel posters
>>747601062We have dozens of examples of fucked up IRL cults which managed to make its members give up their entire lifes, families and belongins, commit crimes and consent to psychological, physical and sexual abuse including literal torture and even suicide, all for zero actual gain and solely due to brainwashing based on clever psychological techniques and social engineering. In a setting with actual divine beings and fucking magic backing them, I find it absolutely believable that fantasy evil cults could grow much bigger and more messed up
>>747581163>>747581461Cool it with the antisemitism.
>>747603421fagsin gets murked by me everytime and no he's too gay to get laid by himself that's why he needs the mc's permission
>>747606338>Goblins let me enter their camp peacefully>Goblin children are antagonizing a bear>This is sort of fucked up, maybe I'll scold th->Bear breaks out of the cage and moves in to maul the children>Kill the bear>Turn out to be HalsinWell how was I supposed to know.
For me, it's playing as a beautiful blonde white female cleric of Ilmater who turns to violence as a last resort. Fiends and undead, as a first resort. All the healing gear.
>>747606551I wish we had a goblin companion or a dwarf companion not a gay bara fanfiction tier character
>>747606694Halsin could have been fine if he remained in the camp of being a wise druid mentor but they had to turn him into a sex pest/creepy uncle because part of the internet was obsessed with the bear trailer. That moment also ended up giving us the catalyst for one of the most annoying autists /v/ has had in a long time. Good for a laugh though
>>747574510Based!
>>747579771That's how real life death cults work too. At least the pleabian ones.
>>747580579>Why don't chessmasters win by beating the shit out of each other for a forfeit.It actually happens on rare occasions in Forgotten Realms lore, but the author makes the Song of Ice and Fire guy look like a Puritan.
Shart farted too much for my taste in my harem.
>>747582468It *CAN* anon... more importantly, what the fuck difference is there between the two? Can you appreciate how pathologically insecure you have to be in order to care about this sort of thing?When women describe having a "controlling" boyfriend, what you are describing is basically what they mean by that.
>>747608741bruh she's not even wearing pants to protect her butthole from all the wind going in and out that'd make her fart uncontrollably.
>>747581805Alignment tables are for GMs, not players. And there more like guidelines.
>>747573369Update: managed to fuck them up fairly easily by combination of Evard's Black Tentacles, gunpowder arrows and Insect Plague. The last one turned out to be much more powerful than I expected
>>74761069699% of BG3's "tough" combat encounters are figuring out which AOE spells you can overlay on to of each other without them canceling each other out. Insect plague is somehow not affected by cold or fire aoe spells, giving it insane synergy if you have a spellcaster-heavy party comp
>>747612409Yeah, well, my problem is that I really hate the way spells and spell effects work in D&D so I avoid spellcasting focused characters as much as I can. It's heavily suboptimal, I know, but it's the only way to make combat and character development bearable for me
>>747608741>Doesn't want to snort shadowfarts all dayI'll take that brapper and appreciate it like it deserves
>>747582105Why is SauceNAO getting gayer by the day?
>>747612982It's more than suboptimal, you're actively nerfing yourself to the point that if you did this in HM it would be considered a challenge run.
>>747614529Well, I do have a Tav warlock and Shart as a life cleric, I'm just not touching wizards or sorcerers with a stick. Going to Orin right now, made it this far, I'll make it to the end somehow
>>747569754Crazy how they clearly tried to guide players into her as the "default" romance choice when she is by far the most boring and disgusting female character in the game
>>747573125It's cute.
>>747614695The Vancian magic system is fags. You go grill.
>>747614915I actually think she has the most compelling romance of any of the female characters. Laezel has an interesting story, but it's undercut by the fact that she swaps obsession with Vlaakith for obsession with Orpheus without missing a beat. Minthara is fun, but ultimately a borderline comically evil edgelord character. Karlach's story was clearly meant to be about you falling in love with a terminally ill woman, and then the devs bowed to fan pressure and gave you a "happy ending" where you're trapped in Hell with her fighting demons 24/7 for eternity.Shadowheart has a clear arc where you can genuinely save her, and your Tav can build a life with her beyond the game.
>>747569754In both my playthroughs of this mid game I have always killed every NPC companion and replaced them with hirelings.First playthrough I suffered them until they got too annoying, then they were put to death.
>>747615986You forgot to mention the part where shadowheart asks to cuck you
>>747616249I've seen you post some variation of this a bunch of times in this thread, and in the BG3 threads on /vg/, and I have no idea what you're talking about. I have 600+ hours in this game and the closest thing I can think of is her saying that she finds other members of the group attractive prior to you romancing her, like when you recruit Karlach she has a line about wanting Karlach to pick her up and when Wyll gets turned into a devil she says his horns make him look better. She also has some flirty ambient dialogue lines with Gale and Astarion, again prior to your character 'officially" entering a relationship with her.
>>747616719>see multiple people mention something that happens in a popular game across several boards and threads>assume its all the same personI see why you're a shadowheart fan...
>>747616890I've literally only seen this brought up on /v/ and /vg/, and never on the other social media sites I frequent. Combined with the fact that I've played the game enough to exhaust pretty much every possible quest and dialogue option, I think it's a reasonably safe bet that it's just one dude autistically spamming the same thing over and over on 4chan BG3 threads.
>>747576948i did selunite durge
>>747577397holy kek
Uhm... Shartbros?
>>747569996I've tried to play Divinity 2 like 4 times and each time I get bored after the tutorial island. I'm sure it's a better game if I were more familiar with the system but the system itself is way too opaque for how difficult the combat can get. At least I know what I'm building in DnD.
Seeing people criticize BG3's writing only to turn around and praise D:OS2's is... illuminating
>>747569754Lady of sorrows guide us did you want something?
>>747569996Shield/Armor system is the most retarded thing I have ever seen so I'll stcik with 5E unironically.
>>747620486I was hoping you'd come to chat. What did you need?
>>747620904marika's tits you must be 'ungry
>>747618183>bald manlet got to make out with ShadowheartFinally I'm getting some representation
>>747618183This is far more memeable than Halsin
Once I realized you could take underwear off, I made all the girls in camp be naked whenever they were at camp. I work hard as an adventurer and deserve to be rewarded.
>>747583410Really reads that way sometimes. Some of the blurbs about things are just... stupid. It's like a kid who just got a bunch of candy wrote some of those articles.
I dont care for shadowheart
>>747615986>Shadowheart has a clear arc where you can genuinely save herYou can't fix her, buddy. No one can.
Karlach is the best girl
>>747573698she looks like she cuts her own hair. with her teeth
>>747569754Anal sex with Shart
>>747627306Listening to her cute poots from trapped air that gets in around your dick and sniffing them all up
>>747573493The other starting members are a vampire spawn who spent centuries kidnapping people for his master, a wizard so inherently unethical and a githyanki.
>>747589575based and straight
>>747569996Combat is bit more interesting in DOS2, but it's offset by a really shitty itemization system that is hard connected to level equivalent MMO-like equipment you have to constantly be on top of.So much so that I enjoy BG3 better anyway just due to itemization.I hope the new Divinity doesn't go back to that shit way of handling items.
>>747628791How the fuck is karlach in this groupAt least wyll is a bitch nigga fraud so he fits right in
>>747569754ugly characters = no play
Can someone please explain to me why the female faces are so long?Femals have small squashed faces, in this game everything has huge elongated faces, what is the reason?
>>747608741
Is Karlach or Shart a better fit for my blonde ubermench gigachad lawful good paladin.
>>747569754Shar bad Selune good
>>747569754Shadowheart is so cute
>>747632853Obviously Shart for the kino dichotomy between light and darkness, purify the bad girl through the power of holy sick, etc. Though after her change, this is less emphasized since she finally becomes the decent person she always was.I view Karlach as the brawn to your brains character duo - aka a wizard or sorcerer.
>>747569754Is she autistic?
>>747632023Because they're regal.
>>747583881His follower is one of the funniest companions in the game, too.
>>747569754Woke trash.
>>747608741>installed all the goofy big titty big ass mods but didnt install the withers big naturals modWhy are you afraid of perfection?
>>747634432ObviouslyWhich is what makes her cute
>>747624882Oh yeah? Well this lazily slapped-together screenshot says otherwise. So checkmate
>>747570589I just did the owlbear cave Selune puzzle without Shadowcutie in my group. Did i fuck up? It's literally my first playthrough.
>>747573493I mean you can absolutely kick Shadowheart out when you learn about it and, if you're roleplaying, you can peg her as a Sharran cultist from the beginning and deal with her. BG3 has loads of choices and roleplaying options and if you actually care about Faerun (I don't) there's a lot of implications you can pick up on that become twists later in the plot.
>>747634883No, all she does there is seethe because it's a selune chest
>>747638306>>747634883If you give her the prayer sheet, she seethes a little more. I wish they rewarded you for keeping it in her inventory on a selune shadowheart playthrough but whatever, act 3 has far worse problems
>Shadowfart = plebbitor>Frog = /v/irgin>Karlach = LGBTQCIA+2That simple
Everyone sleeping on the dryads desu
>>747603368THIS NIGGA FIGHTIN’ BEANS!
For the Horde!OwOUwU
>>747632853Curing evil women with holy dick is the prerogative of every paladin
>>747577689Anon, did you not beat the game? She's absolutely high off copium, trying to make the most of her life before she burns into a cinder. The moment you win she gives up on living unless you literally force her to fight for survival.
>>747581163No they won't and most of them have no fucking idea what Vlakith is doing. But you are right the entire race is pretty evil and DnD has been trying to veer away from intrinsically evil races exactly because the RP experience was dogshit for the evil races.
>>747581805This is the kind of argument that ends with the Nameless One convincing you to kill yourself at the end of it, just saying. Never treat alignments as a universal truth.
>>747606551The bear has a green circle around it
if you don't do runs with visually changed companions you are doing it wrong
>>747576469If the game wasn't made by pussies and had alignments literally only Wyll and Karlach would be labelled as "good"
>>747577689They could've cheated by having her barbarian rage be some kind of trance or disassociative state she used to keep her mind from breaking by being a literal slave in hell but they didin't even bother with that, you can really tell that they just wanted their characters to be Tumblr blorbos with basic bitch """trauma""""
>>747574124>>747574334>>747574391>>747574459>>747574521>>747574589>>747574649>>747574737>>747574793>>747574852etc.VERY nice.
Someone on /bgg/ posted an image of Shadowheart (Selune) with a hair mod and she looked remarkably like Naomi Woods but I can't find the picture anymore. Makes me sad.
>>747574393yfw
>>747586148>[Cleric] worship her rod like a divine objectI keked
