left unironically looks better
right is better
>>747583640Right still has the gas though.
>>747583640left is better and realistic
left has more soul thoughbeit
Bros...
>>747583640go outside
>>747583960>it’s good because it’s realisticfucking retard
>>747583960>every example is a mountain 100+ miles away>OP image has fog between the camera and the player characterlmao
>>747583941sovlless
>>747583640Some anti-soul gas can be ok, the problem is that they always make it grey which looks like desaturated shit.
>>747583640How do you de-fog a screenshot? Nice work
>>747586627There is no such thing as good anti-soul gas, if it's good it's just fog used correctly.
>>747583640Hey how about posting a lower res image next time, bandwidth costs too much.>>747587281If it's good it's nothing but three evenly distanced blue-gray massive polygons that covers the entire camera, and you don't need anything else.
>>747584034>its bad because its realistic
>>747583640If game artists don't include anti-sou gas then people would criticize them for being dumb and unaware that atmospheric perspective exists. It's a double-bind where you can't win
>>747588131But pics on the right have atmospheric perspective. Far away mountains are clearly bluer
>>747583640These screenshots disingenuously change the color balance and crank up the saturation on the right though. The biggest example is the 2nd image from the top, compare the color of the grass and sky in the parts that aren't affected by fog on the left.
>>747583960This >>747584426
>>747587542Yes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGpFEv1-mAo
>>747588456It's not enough. We gotta push the hardware! More ground clutter, more weather effects, more anti-soul gas!
>>747583640fog works when used properly, modern developers are just incompetent
>>747584426>>747588696You're hallucinating "fog between the camera and the player" because the color balance is different between the left and the right (left is the game's true color balance, right is a fake touched up version). What you actually want is for the game to be more saturated.
>>747583640I like how the mountain looks further away on the left
>>747588901What do you think the fog does? It changes the color of things. The game's colors are fine when you can see them. Actually watch the trailer and you can see glimpses of the game without the stinky tan brap gas filling the airhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuFfiTEr2yc
>>747588771Gaben does not speak for me.
>>747589483He knows a little more about game design than you do, pal.
>>747583640someone explain to me like im a retard.how did they get right side pics? i thought switch 2 was unhackable
>>747589618It's AI generated, someone said "chatgpt remove the fog and make it more colorful" as bait. The game is not even available yet.
>>747588771he isn't talking about visuals here, and Valve games all aim for realism in their visuals unless you count Trans Fortress 2
>early morning dew vs mid afternoonit would be amazing if both were in
>>747588696So is "jew" some toy he's going to get out?
>>747589589No he doesn't, he's just the investor like bill gates. Both idiots with money
>>747589775>Ah yes, what a realistic creature. I am very smart.
>>747590001the irony
>>747589972>He's such an expert in the gaming industry that the customer base willingly gives him a monopoly on PC gaming to the point where other billionaires have to cry and beg the government to force people to use their storefronts instead when even giving away free games didn't work>"B-But he's a stupid doodoo head! He only has billions of dollars! How did he get that money? Uhhhh...."Okay buddy.
>>747586805that's niggas gettin' high n shiet
>>747590305What do you mean?
>>747589483Yes he does.
>>747589972NOOO YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT MY CELEBRITY BILLIONAIRE LIKE THAT!! HES FAT AND WHOLESOME LIKE ME!!
>>747590464You are incredibly dim
It worked for older games to hide how small they were or horror games for the ambience but it's dumb to use it so heavily in a game where you can just show the landscape. It would be fine if it were just a weather effect that comes and goes but it never goes.
>>747590562How is my post ironic? You just claimed that Valve went out of their way to make all of their games look realistic. Now look at that creature and tell me how it looks realistic.
Fog Off!
>>747583640I am mildly upset I won't actually get to experience the Gerudo Fortress on the right.
>>747590698which one is more realistic?
>>747591479Zelda's a cutie. What if he was a girl?
>>747591545I'm sure you wish he was so you could feel less guilty about your homosexual urges
>>747591615I don't feel guilty about my lust for cocks. I just play Drag n Wash.
>>747590385>hes smart cause he got lucky investing in a small market and made DRM for low IQ morons and got cult members from being the first therelol youre bragging about him dumbing down PC market
>>747591748Even if Steam launched today as it currently is, it would steal market share from every store just by virtue of being the only good store. Keep simping for corporations like Epic and GOG, instead of using the product that works. See where that gets you.
>>747589972bill gates unironically knows more about technology than gaben.
>>747583960here is the more realistic version
>>747591881>Even if Steam launched today as it currently is, it would steal market share from every store just by virtue of being the only good storelol no it wouldn't. Steamies have their games LOCKED to the store so they dont want to invest into another store. Thats why its fans are cultists, if GoG came out first with DRM then it would be biggerIts literally just sunk cost fallacy
>>747592882>GoG>can't even get the acronym rightThe problem with GOG is:>no games>slow downloads>no legal sharing>no small mode on that faggy clientImagine using that gigantic interface of GOG when Steam's small mode is so much more elegant. Steam works well. No other store does. Stop simping for corporations.
>>747593074>Stop simping for corporations.The irony>no other store works well!I had no problem buying and playing a game on other stores, you're just low IQ like most valve cattle
why is the grass so fuckin shiny?
>>747583640I can buy it for the desert at least
>>747583941THIS IS ASS
>>747593309I'm not simping for Valve. I'm using what works best. If some other store would match Steam on quality and selection, it would be enticing.
>>747583941>>747593935Most beautiful day in Britain
>>747594398>I can only shop at walmart cause they are the best!Thats how you sound
>>747583640I don't get why devs love to shove volumetric fog everywhere even on games that aren't going for realistic graphics. It's just ugly most of the time.
>>747583640The original OoT was FILLED with "anti-soul gas" you absolute fucking retard. You weren't even alive in the era you supposedly want to go back to.
>>747594621Why shop at other stores when the best one has what I want? Why split my library when the experience would be worse? If someone else comes up with a good store, it would be worth looking at.
>>747583960Are you british? I assure you the rest of the world doesn't have any fog 99% of the time, specially outside of fall.
>>747589483then youre retarded.
>>747594638Its to hide LOD models but its more distracting than some pop-in ever would be
>>747594641That was just "poor hardware gas"
>>747594712>when the experience would be worse?Explain how the experience of the game would be worse if you play a game from a different store, I bet youre just tech illiterate
>>747594886This is an extremely retarded post on several levels.
>>747594892It's the download/update/client usage experience.GOG>download 4GB chunks from a web page like it's a webwarez site from 2000>download speeds are poverty tier>have to update manually>have to install every DLC one by oneor>use really awful Galaxy client>poverty tier downloads, but less so>have to flip through web pages to see my game because it doesn't have a cached listalso for both methods>features might be missing>updates may be forthcoming, or they may never make it to GOG>very few games available>old games have frankenstein community patches already applied, so I have to remove scar tissue to get it back to normal>have to aggressively hoard games downloaded because the service may go bankruptEpic>same horrible client concept>client forgets my login details randomly on rebootitch.io>no games>downloading from a web page>have to update manually>have to aggressively hoard games downloaded because the service may go bankruptSteam>download at 2-2.5gbit regularly>have the most up to date version on download, and games autoupdate>small mode is clean and comfy to use>can access my brother's games and vice versa>has the biggest librarySo what makes the other stores worth using? What do they offer?
>>747583640Left is mature and realistic. Right is cartoony and childish.
>>747595424So just tech illiterate like I said, you definitely didn't experience PC gaming before steam
I tried exploring the forest but it's filled with all this anti-soul gas
>>747595572I don't want to go back to that. Steam is a better experience.
>>747594641No it wasn't. Barely exists outside of Kokiri forest, and it's there because it's a fucking forest so it does make sense.
>>747595909I live in the most heavily forested urban area in the world, and fog is an event, not the norm.
>>747595651>bro DRM is better cause I dont have to think anymore!!!ok cattle
>>747596016Imagine being so poor you have to get mad at a company because the CEO won't give you money.
>>747583960
>>747595909Hyrule Field didn't have much fog, but it still looked much more than the left images in OP's post - the entire game had low saturation and lots of brown and gray. Literally the main complaint about the 3DS version is that they fucked up the artstyle with too much color and contrast. The remake brings it back to how it's supposed to be.
>>747596078Imagine writing this and thinking you said something, low IQ cattle thought process
>>747596812Am I a goycattle slave jew jeet shill consoomer paypig huehue chink gook slav?
>>747596812Is it shift change at your shill farm?
>>747595424Steam>owns the games you "purchase"
>>747598426What does ownership confer me that would actually matter? I don't buy or sell used goods. Valve made $11b in the first half of this year, and isn't struggling to pay their 300ish employees and isn't realistically facing going under.So, as a 45 year old man who will likely be dead long before Steam dies, what do I need "ownership" for?
>>747598559Just saying. They can remove your access for whatever reason.
>>747598689But they realistically won't. The pros outweigh the cons by a wide margin.
>>747586805>I gots a letter
>>747583640Kys OP >>747600934
>>747591479They're both just humans. Why?
>>747591748Steam didn't invest in a small market, Steam CREATED the market, and they did so with such skill that they beat piracy simply by providing a better experience than the pirates did.
>>747601342So how did one autist with an AI chatbot do a better job than a billion dollar AAA company?
>>747603280this.I'd rather play the one AI made. That world seems so much more interesting and beautiful
>>747603280You know why smart TVs come with saturation and fucked up colors by default unless you go into the settings and turn off postprocessing? It's because room temp IQ retards see an image next to an oversaturated version of that same image and rate the more colorful version as better. People with 0 artistic sense tend to just think more visual stimulation = higher fidelity.
>>747603573Why isn't the more colorful version better?
>>747603573>some schizobabble about high fidel castroNo one cares, arts major fag.One looks better. I'm playing that one.
>>747583640Forced tranny meme>>747583960This
>>747603573Hey you didn't answer this >>747603573. Why is the more colorful version a fucked up trick targeting low-IQ retards instead of just something that looks better?
>>747583640>more saturated = more good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udQhEKs_krgBlizzards doing it too
>>747592472hahahahahaha
>>747604993It's because if you just crank up the saturation to make everything more colorful indiscriminately you lose artistic direction and subtlety with the moods each scene is able to depict. The game (or movie or whatever) can never choose to dazzle you with vivid colors because oversaturated is just the baseline default that the audience is accustomed to at all times. It's the same thing with music, songs on average have lost their dynamic range over the past couple decades because louder=better appeals to the lowest common denominator.
>>747583941
>>747605410What is "artistic direction" and how does being colorful prevent a game from having it?
>>747605519Assuming you aren't just being a fag, "artistic direction" literally just means the intended art direction of the game.>how does being colorful prevent a game from having it?If the author wanted scene A to be more colorful than scene B, but you adjust the image on your gay smart TV to make scene B maximally colorful just like scene A, you are removing an artistic decision from the game.
>>747605410>The game (or movie or whatever) can never choose to dazzle you with vivid colors because oversaturated is just the baseline default that the audience is accustomed to at all times.Skill issue.
>>747605887Pic massively unrelated?
>>747605774So what you're saying is that the artists who created the game are bad at their jobs?
>>747605967>So what you're saying is [thing I didn't say]No, any more questions fucktard?
>>747601342>making the game look better is disingenuouswat
>>747601276>there ain't no way shawty is still kickin'
>>747606143It's surprising how many people did not understand that image, but the disingenuous part is that it makes it look like the fog is the problem and simply removing the fog is what makes the game look better ("anti soul gas" is a euphemism for fog)
Which is worse: anti-soul gas or brown+bloom?
>>747606327Brown and bloom was tiring because it was an ever-present trend, you could still make a game look okay in brown and bloom, anti-soul gas just looks like dogshit every single time
>>747606132You said that making the game look better is stealing agency from the artist and going against their vision. Why would their vision be to have such a boring looking game? The only explanation is that they are bad artists. It's not something like Silent Hill, there's no narrative significance to making the environments look dull and shitty. It's just a design choice, and a poor one at that.
>>747606398>retard reveals his opinion that he could've just said, but had to drag through an unrelated conversation firstGreat job
>>747606508What opinion is that? I think it's been pretty clear that I believe the images on the right look better and that there's no real reason for them to look like the version on the left. You're just upset that you couldn't pretentiously talk your way out of this reality where the artist is wrong.
>>747605042that looks stunning, where is that?
>>747605421>game has now day/night cycle>takes place at perpetual high moisture morning
>>747583640>>747605876yes, the problem is that the haze appears within 10m of the player, and even indoors. Looks like shit.
>>747583960the right images still have atmospheric perspective retard.
>>747583640Anti-brain gamefix'd
>>747583640how the fuck did Oblivion get it right but modern games can't?
>>747583640This retard thinks the air isn't dusty in the desert
>>747583960>perspective>everyone called it atmospheric scattering>wanted to make a snarky remark>it actually is perspectivehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_perspectiveam I going fucking crazy, what the fuck?
>>747607306With fog, you can obscure those hills that are just green textures.
>>747583960There's an image somewhere from the Apollo missions showing what looks like a hill a couple hundred metres away. It's actually an entire mountain several KILOMETRES away from the camera. The lack of atmosphere seriously fucks with our depth perception.
>>747607306Modern game developers are all from the same generation of artists who were all trained wrong as a joke
>>747607775it's only dusty if there's a sandstorm. This is how a normal desert looks
>>747609031With fog, you can obscure those hills that are just orange textures.
>>747583941Now a picture of this with a clear blue sky
>>747583960>depending on the time of day and weather conditions
they said august 23rd 2023 yall niggas didnt listen the fog is coming bith
>>747611617>bith
>>747583941completely unrealistic, what was kojima thinking???
>>747583640have you ever go outside?
>>747603139Steamies actually think this
>>747614880>Ahhhh, CD keys... Now THAT was an industry...
>>747614959Yes it was better to own things
>>747615083You're too young or third world to know what it was really like, when DRM would regularly brick your copy of the game and you had to contact call centers to get your activation limit raised. There's a reason why Steam killed that entire industry
>>747594641Do yoy guys think we are blaming the fog effect? We are blaming the shitty implementation.
