So, Blizzard actually CAN make things that feel like Warcraft. They just choose not to.
The Scarlet Crusade did nothing wrong. Ever.
>undead paladinThis does not feel like Warcraft you pretender
>>747585940It breaks the lore, but the moment in the trailer actually felt like Warcraft for a second during the undead paladin's bit.
>>747585940there is a UD paladin literally in vanilla wow you fake fan
>>747585940Yes it doesThe undead paladins have been around since Vanilla and are now even in the new Warcraft 3 campaign
If you don't play undead pally you don't know shit about video games
>>747585940The image he posted is absolutely warcraft. It's not in-line with the lore but "undead human with his own will that channels the light with extreme agony" is exactly what old school wow was about: edgy bullshit that was cool because it was edgy bullshit.
even the cutscenes at blizzard (the only good thing they only stopped doing for 3 expansions) are shit anon
>>747585668>>747585940Why wouldn't an ex-scourge who had the conviction to break free from the lich king also have the conviction to call upon the light. Sure his prayers might be a little different from a living paladin but he prays just like everybody else.The holy cows were mega retarded though
>>747585668The undead paladin wearing a horde tabard does not feel like warcraft. Undead (and night elves) are only in their respective factions out of convenience (game mechanics). An undead paladin is also an abomination, but we already had the same abomination with undead priests so whatever it was always retarded
>>747586236I meant that the scene feels like Warcraft. It's not a comment on the lore behind it.
>>747586112This guy knows
>>747586236The horde insignia is out of place, yeah, but undead priests were canonically all shadow.
>>747585996>>747586007>WOWSo literally not Warcraft, you retarded secondarynigger
>>747585940Tourist outing themselves are funny
if undead paladins are going to be a thing are they actually going to expand on or explain itiirc undead priests who use the light are subject to excruciating pain every time they cast because they effectively regain sensation and can feel maggots and shit in their skinthis is the reason why shadow priests exist and most undead priests are canonically shadow usersare they going to add like a dark paladin subclass? shadow paladins? or are we just going to have a million light-wielding paladin zombies running around screaming in agony constantly.
>>747585940Undead can already wield the light
>>747586361World of....wait for it...WARCRAFT.
>>747585668>cutscenes are used to build up hypewow! shocking news!and then you look at the actual game and the more you know about it the less you want to play it
>>747586361Because the largest light wielding human kingdom didn't get raised into undeath until after the events of warcraft 3.
>>747586389>million light-wielding paladin zombies running around screaming in agony constantly.Such dedication to the light would make Uther weep
What about death knights??????
>>747586389they did by smearing their nu-blizz shit over wc3play the new warcraft 3 campaign (that'll be whatever reforge's price is + 30 dollaridoos tip)
Name one time blizzard ever had good writing.Not "acceptable" writing, not "cool moments", but actual genuine character development and engaging story arcs.>OWComic book slop but somehow far more mediocre and sanitized >Diablo5/10 at peak>WarcraftAT BEST it's just hero to villain corruption slop which is spammed ad nauseam>StarcraftBroodwar had a SINGLE kino moment with Jimmy pledging to kill Kerrigan which was later 100% forgotten
I don't play WoW so what is the point of those red Alliance dudes?The normal Alliance dudes already hate the Undead by default, was this some separate Alliance country trying to enact revenge for Lordaeron?
>>747586890its some alegory to "teh cruzades were leh bad!"
>>747585732>blizzard gave the scarlet crusade german accents in mopreal subtle
>>747585668Blizzard didn't even make this image, they outsourced this to some third world country.
>>747587020>subtleyea if you are mentally retarded i can see why you consider it subtle
>>747585668Barely even looks undead
>>747586890regular alliance dudes can distinguish between forsaken, scourge, and hordered alliance dudes hate everyone. they should hate the scourge most, but treat forsaken and scourge as the same thing.
>>747586997CRUSADES BADCALIPHATES GOOD
>>747586890the red alliance dudes are super zealots and consider anyone not in their order to be tainted by the undead plague
>>747585668The Horde really cannot help stealing from the Alliance. Also the Forsaken have never been more hypocritical, they are raising people into undeath against their will dark ranger girl says all the living are the enemy, yet they get butthurt when the humans say they are no different from the Scourge. Yet the Scarlet Crusade are forever forced to be chaotic evil when despite being more good than the Forsaken in every way.
>>747586791>Everything le sucks! Le 5/10, le pouty rating faceWhat an unimaginable life. How many liters of Mountain Dew do you drink a day.
>>747586997They even went so far that now even THE LIGHT is not actually the "lawful good" powerSo basically, it's not even a CRUSADES ARE...LE BAD but more of a YOUR ENTIRE FAITH IN THE LIGHT...IS NOT SO GOOD AFTER ALL!
>>747585668Naturally. Theyre too busy making all the characters paralyzed and gay.
what do you mean classic+ is making changes?this is fucking bullshit dude! #nochanges
>>747586560Already a class
>>747587458how much you get paid to defend shit?
>>747585940This one got them mad. Kids looking up “undead paladin” and finding it restricted from day one. Having class - race diversity and restrictions is what makes the game interesting.
>>747587458Brother you have consumed shit your entire life and have no idea what real food tastes like
>>747586536imagine all of their voicelines in-game are just>AAAAH THERE'S FUCKING WORMS IN MY SKIN HEEEEEEEELP
>>747586389Alonsus says the light burns him from within every time he calls upon it and that the sunwell would burn him to a cinder. Undead just power through the pain by will/faith I guess.
>>747586496>this isn't edgy enough>adds in 'blood' at some random point
>>747587197>but treat forsaken and scourge as the same thing.cause they are the same thing. undead. shitwads that need to be removed from the face of the planet.
>humans can be paladins>undead were humans>undead can still use the Light>therefore undead can be paladins if they want to, it doesn't ruin any loreHow do you refute this?
>>747586890The origins of the Scarlet Crusade were never really explained in WoW, but this information from the sourcebooks shows a lot of what was intended back in 2004.https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Scarlet_Crusade#In_the_RPGEssentially, Blizzard wanted to create a group of "evil paladins" but had failed to do so convincingly, because the Scarlet Crusade is generally justified in everything it does. It defended the last strongholds of humans in Lordaeron because of it's zeal, yet this is always portrayed negatively. The crusade killing innocent living people as well always felt contrived, and yet they were correct to quarantine so heavily because that was the only way to stop the plague of undeath.
>>747587458man who has only watched boss baby thinks boss baby is the best movie ever made
>>747586890The Red alliance dudes were a group of religious zealots who saw their lands being torn to shreds by demons and undead and got pushed into further isolationism and extremism by getting subverted by a Je- I mean a Jewish looking Demon who possessed the body of one of the first paladins and founder of the order (or at least one of the founders).Basically anyone and everyone who wasn't in the order were highly suspected to be conspirators or cultists.
>>747587983makes perfect sense if only paladins are immune to plague
>>747587937it's not that it's wrong per-se it's just that it's kind of stupidthey obviously did it to give undead which are the most popular horde faction the most popular class which is paladinit just makes less sense for them to have a paladin option in wow:forever than tauren who got it as a class as early as TBC iircbut tauren are unpopular, so...
CLASSIC IS BACK BABY
>>747587112>if he doesnt look like asmongold then he is not an undead
is WoW even worth playing for someone who didn't bother with it for 20+ years?Only played WC3 and WC2, have WC1 on Bnet but haven't gotten around it yet
>>747587937Being an undead abomination is inherently unholy, they are soulless. Only by pure happenstance do they have free-ish will.
>>747588602only if you have a big enough group of close friends, otherwise it's a hard no
>>747588314tauren paladin was one of the stupidest race class combos ever, worse than undead paladin
>>747588602No. For the love of god go find a better company to support, this one has nothing to offer but lies and humiliation.
>>747588602retail is beginning unfriendly. you'll be loaded with new systems immediately and you're expected to interact with all of them, requiring outside research or a well spoken friend to guide youclassic in its various flavors is more friendly, but the foibles of the community are more obvious there
>>747588602theres a reason 2004 classic is famous it's heroic in videogame form.that's why classic+ has had 5 threads nonstop for 20 fucking years about people who wanted it
>>747588614>Only by pure happenstance do they have free-ish will.Yes, which means that they can become paladins if they really want to.
>>747588538this, but unironically
>>747586890It's political commentary on how religious zealots are actually controlled by shapeshifting demons.
>>747588912You can justify either cases, but stylistically i think they shouldn't be able to because their existence is unholy. Works with the retoilet "light" which is just some fucking space aliens opposite of void, but in vanilla it shouldn't.
>>747588602if you're gonna play it wait for wow:forever to be out for a whileturn off chat, turn off guild invites/whispers, don't look anything up and just go enjoy questingclassic is pretty good when you don't got a bunch of people spamming you with constant notifs or trying to solve the fun out of the game
>introduce blue elves>when they could just reintroduce BHC High Elves back to the Alliance while the Blood Elves remain with the Horde
Undead Paladin is the epitome of the HOPEchad
>>747587536Enjoy your shitty retail minus retard.
>>747589169NuBlizz is full of Critical Role fans who want to change WoW to be more like it. They know nothing about Vanilla WoW and do not care about what Vanilla WoW fans want. Once you understand this, all NuBlizz decisions begin to make sense.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Sir_Zeliek>He was a paladin of the Order of the Silver Hand in life, so strong in his faith, that even in undeath the power of the Light still heeded his call, smiting his foes in battle.wtf didn't he get the memo that he's not allowed to do that anymore?
>>747589169yeah but that would require them to actually change classic in a meaningful way which classic players don't want for some reasonthey'd have to like move stuff around and add new starting areas and change the geography of the map which is anathema to classic brain
>>747588314Tauren got paladins in cata. That was the expansion with night elf mages and some other stupid things as well. Also up until getting their heritage set Tauren didn’t have any racially themed armor sets and they looked absolutely ridiculous in paladin armor which was 90% human or draenei themed
>>747589176the only good thing is he anti coil nova niggers
>>747589176I liked his story it was neat
>>747589446Zeliek has control of his mind but not his body. An undead paladin could work as a rarity, but would have to be opposed to both the Scourge and Forsaken. There's no reason that a Light worshiper should be helping Sylvanas spread plague and kill the living, nor should the Light be granting power to anyone doing that.Reminder that lorewise almost all undead priests are shadow priests.
>>747589267what do you think classic+ is you fucking poor mongrel brownskin
>>747585668Are you going to ignore the previous 3 minutes of the nostalgiabait dwarf following a wisp and the bear doing stupid shit for LE FUNNY?
>>747585668Never played Horde before but I remember I did try out an Undead rouge in 2007 and their starting zones were a vibe. Paladin was fun af back then too. Havent played my pala in ages. Undead paladin is gonna be comfy, boyos. A holy unholy so to speak
>>747589836They should make it so that the undead pallies are in a paladin order of their own, like how humans/dwarves have the Silver Hand and tauren the Sunwalkers.They would begrudgingly cooperate with Sylvanas' Forsaken since everyone else in the region hates them and also the majority of the undead Lordaeronians are under her banner, including their loved ones that they want to protect.
>>747589836don't remember if this is a later retcon or not but doesn't wielding the light have nothing to do with morality which is why the scarlet crusade can use itit's just entirely conviction and belief in the light. the reason why arthas lost it after stratholme wasn't because he did something 'evil', it was that he lost faith.
garithos...no...
Honestly, the wind chimes already ruined "the light" for me. I don't really care if an undead can channel cosmic space magic.
>>747590426Holy shit it's really Warcraft Rumble.
>>747590451also all the space kike shit
>>747585990It doesn't break the lore, Undead have always been able to wield the light, it just causes them immense pain whenever they do
>>747585668There's barely any Warcraft in WoW, even in vanilla. You have some zones that you can recognize but most of the major characters are absent, you can't play as units from the game, not even the most basic ones, you can't even cosplay as them. One race is straight up missing from the game. You play as some random abstraction in an arbitrary faction, as an Everquest character in a Warcraft theme park.
>>747588775Tauren "Paladins" are only a thing for gameplay reasons. In the actual lore, they're Sunwalkers, basically sun druids wearing heavy armour
>>747586236>
>>747589082Then how do you explain undead priests, should they be cut as well?
>>747588775I hated the holy cows so much it felt anti wc3
>>747589836They explained that in midnight. The light doesn't care whos wielding it, only that they do so with conviction.
>>747585668Undead paladin could be kino if done right
>>747590867I think they should. Or at least be locked into shadow only.
>>747590813>AI slopBack to the call center, ranjeet.
>>747590426It would have been cool if he retained some of his personality at least
is wow back?
>>747590359Undeath is caused by unholy necromantic power, which the Light is incompatible with. The Light either cleanses undeath or succumbs to it. In WC3, Paladins can heal units from three of the four races, but their magic can only damage the undead. In some cases, the Light can reverse undeath through resurrection. Undeath and the Light coexisting should be like trying to light a fire under water.
>>747585990and i loved the heckin wholesome pupperino
>>747591274He did, but now his racism has been reversed.There is a voiceline where he becomes lucid for a moment and is horrified at what he's become.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKKj3DmaXNQ
>>747585990too bad he jobbed to a fucking DWARF of all things
>>747591342It dug itself in deeper.The much vaunted classic+ people were raving about for years is just retail minus. Complete with 500th iteration of brightly colored blood elf recolor crammed down people's throats.
>>747590587we're at most like two leaps of logic away from "the light" (or any other magic) just becoming straight-up ammo for people to put into their guns and shoot at each other
>>747586112I didn't think the restriction had anything to do with the light, I always thought it was because zombies are squishy and prone to falling apart, which does not make for a very effective defender.
>>747591503it doesn't really seem like that to me at all its just a recolored race and the changes were asked for.this seems like classic+ not vanilla(nochanges)
>>747585668Blizz doesn't invent anything, they just copy.https://youtu.be/DjEzs74scO4The entire company has been built on copying and refining.
>>747587752name one instance of what you think good writing is. any medium.
>>747585668Warcraft has a history of characters wielding forbidden powers and either becoming corrupt by them or turning into anti-heroes.Forsaken Paladin is pretty much this concept played in reverse which is why it still feels in-line with Warcraft's identity.
>>747591850It's another branch of retail. Nothing classic about it.
Sad to see that this garbage has defenders on /v/.
Has this been discussed yet?Interview with the lead dev.https://youtu.be/JyT_DUBWec0
>>747591990yeah you're just angrily coping it's literally 60 capped vanillabye
>>747592136The most important thing is>He's asked when are we going to see the original campaigns redone in the defintiive style>He says they wanted to check how people respond to the new artstyle first, and if they like it, he's "cautiously optimistic" that people will see more stuff
>>747592879Gross, i hope nobody likes warcraft re-reforged
>>747587112It depends on how they died and how long ago. It's not a hard concept to grasp. If you died right now you wouldn't instantly turn into a dessicated semi-skeleton.
>>747592429>it's le vanilla because... IT'S CAPPEDthe classic community is completely mentally captured
>>747585668>Blizzard actually CAN make things that feel like Warcraftundead paladin is retardedthe holy light would melt them
>>747585668>blizzard fanboyism >2026
Reminder that a majority of the complaining is being done unironically by private server Wow classic players who got rugpulled and their servers shut down by blizzard and mad they have to pay 15$ for a sub instead of playing for free.
>>747589407>/mhg/
>>747593092That's not how the warcraft undead plague works. Corpses don't catch the plague.
>>747592136China won.
>>747591247not an argument
>>747589906Yes, and that makes the bit with the undead paladin all the more striking
>>747593368>Good product removed>Have to pay for worse product I've never played om a wow private server but I can see their point
>write the ideal death knight>make him a paladin:/
https://youtu.be/tx0msDaao0cits over bros
>>747595916guess he didn't get paid to shill it like the rest of ecelebs
The fact they went though a lot of effort animating the characters in the in-game cutscenes of Forsaken Kingdom but still chose not to go back to undoing their false advertising for the base Reforged release is quite jarring to me.
>>747595916explain to unc who this is and why his opinion matter
>>747585668The way the final line with the elf saying "Forever" was supposed to be insidious rightLike there's a second shoe that's supposed to drop about this
>>747587458He's right, WC3 writing is on the level of an elementary kid but at least it had cool looking characters, with somewhat interesting backstories and you cared about what happened to them, they also managed to have a coherent story (before wow) now they can't even do that.
>>747596086forsen
>>747596187The second shoe is that she's talking to (You) about how you'll be playing WoW forever, paypiggy
>>747585668I think undead paladin is conceptually retarded but that's just my opinion. My big problem is the rampant denial on both sides of the aisle when it comes to the "lore." Obviously lore is not a priority for Blizzard and hasn't been for a long time, if ever. Even TBC retconned the Draenei (and in doing so the Eredar) in order to add a pretty blue race.But the idea that the undead paladin could be some kind of lore statement is actually, patently absurd. Obviously it doesn't conform to classic WoW lore since the classic WoW devs and writers didn't allow it, and obviously it conforms to nuWoW lore if the current devs allow it. So both sides are arguing the wrong point, simultaneously, somehow.Furthermore, the idea that lore even matters in WoW: Forever is laughable. The entire BlizzCon event the word "timeline" was never uttered, yet everyone is so sure this is a "new timeline." Brother, it isn't a timeline at all. It's not going to have story, or lore. It's Blizzard doing what Blizzard does--suckering your money out of your mom's bank account.
>>747597260>Obviously it doesn't conform to classic WoW lore since the classic WoWwhy can undeads be priest tho also no necromancer?
>>747596086Someone who hasn't played WoW since TBC or something.
>>747597957You are missing my point which is that having a lore argument about something where the lore doesn't matter is retarded, but to humor your dogshit take, priests and paladins are wildly different things in the context of Azeroth, it isn't just armor vs. no armor. Priests are more like mages than they are paladins. They're wielding magic of a type.
>>747597957In the original lore, priests drew power from whatever they believed in. So with humans and dwarves, it was the Holy Light, but with Night Elves it was Elune, with trolls it was the Loa and with the undead it was the Shadow. It was left vague if the undead were literally ALL shadow priests of if the Shadow had healing powers until one of the devs (I think it was actually Tigole) retconnned it and said that undead priests use the Holy Light, but they channel it "around" themselves instead of through them (however that works) and they heal other undead with the Holy Light even though the Light hurts them because they use it like cauterizing a wound. It was kind of retarded and I don't know why he said it, but I have two theories1) They were being lazy and didn't want people to ask for the undead priest casting animations to get changed2) Metzen was REALLY insistent on copying D&D. The shadow tree was largely taken directly from the psionic spell list of the mindflayers in D&D (up to and including a spell called "mind flay"). I could see some dev or writer talking to Metzen and saying "So, is the Shadow its own divine force with healing powers and that's what powers undead holy priests?" and Metzen responding "NO, IT'S MINDFLAYERS" and them coming up with this weird undead light shit because Metzen insisted on the Shadow being mindflayers. It wouldn't be the first time they messed up their own lore by tacking closer to the thing they were copying rather than following their own story and worldbuilding.
I'm okay with Undead Paladin. Priests already exist and there's a very touching narrative beat to the Light remaining with the Forsaken even through all of their misfortune.
Explain "Feel like Warcraft' without saying a buzzword.
>>747599446idk what op was saying looks like some retail shit too clean desu
>>747587112Can't show the trailer in China if it looks like the original Forsaken.
>>747599492So classic is when old graphics on windows XP?
>>747599446Define "buzzword" without saying a buzzword.
>>747599572>>747587112>>747585668done
>>747598730I'd just say that all priest type powers draw from the beyond where the gods and the light itself resides and that the undead priests draw from the edges of that realm where light turns to shadow. They already had that with the Naaru anyway.
>>747586791>name one time blizzard ever had good writing>names the one time blizzard ever had good writing hello retard
>>747597260Undead Paladin is done but it's 10 times better than Tauren or Troll Paladins. If Horde Paladins have to be done, it's the best way to do it without introducing the fucking wind chimes and Blood Elves.Dwarf Shamans is a comparatively effortless fit and I'm surprised it didn't happen with TBC.
>>747589407>is that ghoul....reading? That's not possible.
>>747591431Dayum..
>>747595550death knights don't have free will
>>747589176okay but where did his beard go? do they shave corpses when they arrive in undercity?
>>747585668Shame the game itself will have painted on armor and tabards instead of actual armor
>>747586389>iirc undead priests who use the light are subject to excruciating pain every time they cast because they effectively regain sensation and can feel maggots and shit in their skinWhere is the mentioned? It sounds metal as fuck
Does he fuck the dark ranger bitch?
Thank fucking lord.
>>747604804DNF? Do Not Fuck?
>>747604804wtf is this
>>747586190Arthas starts to cast ebin warlock spell instead of light spell because he kept reading the tomb of light upside down since he acquired the frostmourne.I guess that makes sense.
>>747585668sick and tired of you xiv trannies constantly shit talking WoW, the game literally lives rent free in your heads. just accept that you will always live in blizzards shadow and get over yourselves already.
>>747585668There would have been undead paladins in the original game instead of death knights if Warcraft III was supposed to be like that.
>>747585668>not decaying at all>just a regular dude with glowing eyesDoesn't even look undead. This is garbage.
>>747595378not really its spyware and botnets and they doxx their own users private servers are scams
>>747590903retcon bs
>>747590903>MIDnightdoesn't count and doesn't matter
>>747605676Warcraft 3 was mostly about the Scourge, not the Forsaken
I don't remember the last time I've seen the MMO community so hyped for something since the OG Classic launch, and this might even surpass that. Everyone is going to be playing this shit on launch.
>>747589836Again, we've had zealous evil Paladins since Classic.>>747591371Headcanon added in Cata. Priests heal Undead just fine.> the Light can reverse undeath through resurrectionPost-Cata headcanon created in a book by some femoid hack.
>>747587064he was being sarcastic, kid.
>>747587983It made sense when they were being manipulated by a dreadlord, but it stopped making sense after he was killed.
where are we watching blizzcon closing ceremony?
Why the fuck does you need a damn phone number to create a battlenet account I just wanna play games man
>>747605535This but in Warcraft 3
>>747586791Runas the Shamed
>>747585668WoWniggers don't care about Warcraft. Most of them don't care about the sanctity of the story or lore, that's why they still play it no matter how shit it's become.Now it's going to creep into W3. Can't wait for the Pride Flags
>>747585668>Blizzard actually CAN make things that feel like Warcraft.Yeah sorry but undead paladins don't feel like Warcraft. Horde paladins don't feel like Warcraft.
>>747587064
>>747585990>it felt like WarcraftGood goy, now buy the 150$ deluxe back and the cash shop mounts and transmogs. You're so easily manipulated it's sad.
