Zelda used to be a horror franchise and Nintendo is in denial about this.
>>747599932Ocarina adult temples actually did scare me as a kid
>>747599932>zelda before women devs>zelda after women devs
Zelda used to be a traditional European dark fantasy until Aonuma decided to go full retard with the visuals and themes and then Fujibayashi decided to throw in a bunch of out of place Buddhist shit.
As if WInd Waker didn't get shit for being childish.
BOTW killed the franchise
>>747600524>dark fantasy Never was.
>>747599932Nintendo kept trying to be a children's company, and kept filing down the sharp corners of their products until nothing contentious remained. Same thing happened to Disney. They used to trust kids could see scary things on screen, but>"WHAT IF A CHILD GETS PTSD FROM THIS???"fear mongering wore them down.
>>747600524No Zelda is a Japanese Anime stop your Headcanons
>>747599932>Zelda used to be a horror franchisesure if you're a toddler or a woman
>>747600885There is literally no Zelda anime my German friend, also you should learn that English doesn't inherently capitalize all nouns.
>>747600826Tears of the Kingdom has on-screen murder, tourists.
>>747599932Old Zelda was copying Miyazaki and 80s fantasy.New Zelda also copies Miyazaki. But doesn't show the dark parts. It'll make a direct reference to something like Mononokehime. But tone it down.
>>747601182Playing NuZelda doesn't make you "not a tourist." As if that could possibly be a prerequisite.
>>747601167>There is literally no Zelda animeIt not only had the american cartoon, which would be called anime in Japan, but also some short OVAs and commercials done just for Japan.
>>747601182>dying is super scawy!Let me guess, you're American
>>747601182Completely clean and unscary murder.
>>747600524Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask were full of Buddhist themes dipshit.
>>747601470Did old games have unclean murders?
>>747601562Ganon literally got a sword through the skull. In both OoT AND WW. Although he was a giant monster pig in the former.
>>747601182>>747601470Then don't use the Wind Waker pic in OP when that was safe and unscary too and it's not even a murder. Disingenuous dipshits.
>>747601698A very clean sword stab that turns him into stone. C'mon.
>>747601754That scene was as violent as they could have made it without the game being rated M. I would have liked for there to have been blood in that scene but I understand why they didn't put it there.
>>747601546Name 15 Buddhist themes in both OOT and Majora's Mask
>>747600524I'm somewhat fine with it as long as it's not the standard. What I dislike more is the sci fi shit. At this point they should just make space zelda if that's what they want.
>>747601836Then the same applies to TotK.
>>747601698Same shit in """Nu-Zelda""".
>>747601817Clean my ass. In the original release of OoT, Ganon bleeds red blood as Link slices and dices him. They actually patched it to be green blood to be slightly less offensive in the later releases.
Retards are genuinely doing Wind Waker revisionism.
>>747601927This isn't Wind Waker.
/v/jeets still trying to gatekeep fucking zeldalmfao
>>747602035that's his point you actual retard
>>747600524>dark fantasythose illustrations were literally made AFTER the first three games, retard.
>>747601956I was talking about the WW stab.Also, they patched the blood way earlier than when you retards are saying the series fell off.
>>747602102lol, that piñata was being presented as on the same level as Ganon's skull being pierced? That's even dumber.
>>747600826Yeah it sucks dick. Now every video game is either a "realistic" "mature" murder simulator or for actual toddlers. The in-between stuff like Ocarina of Time is where the soul lies. I guess Fortnite took that spot now....
>>747602035Not saying it is. The OP suggests that ST is "Nu-Zelda", but it has the unclean murder that Nu-Zeldas apparently don't have.
>>747601452If that isn't scary then neither is OP's examples.Is on-screen murder (not implied) a common occurrence in old Zelda games?
>>747602259Where you draw the actual line in the sand is pretty arbitrary to me. If you even want to say WW was too kiddy I'll probably side with you. I'm of the opinion the N64 games were still edgy enough and I'll defend those. But I'm not the OP so I don't really care about defending the toon stuff.
>>747599932WW was not horror
>>747602213>Ganon's skull being piercedHe turns into stone. anon. That's as pg as it gets.
>>747602213>t-that doesn't count!Why not just admit that your "unclean murder" qualification is retarded? You don't even need to change your overall stance.
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>>747602449It's a very obvious metaphor. Ganondorf's whole story in WW is about being stuck in the past. Turning him into a statue at the bottom of the ocean is pretty clearly symbolism for that.
>>747601304>But doesn't show the dark parts>>747601182 You people are overestimating how dark the games were.
i love horror games
>>747602562Weekly Zelda girl threads were a mistake.
>>747602562Malon got hero of slimed every night
>>747602583That's not scary.Killing an unambiguously good person in TotK is heavier than a villain getting his just deserts in a pg way.
Is there a gloomier game in the franchise than A Link to the Past?
>>747602798I agree the WW example wasn't horror. This is a better example. These Redeads were even worse than the ones in OoT.
>>747601698Ganon doesn't die in either of those games. He just gets sealed.
>>747602562This schizo shit is genuinely getting out of control and mods should put the hammer down, but they're too busy deleting on-topic threads so they won't.
>>747600758this is the best boss fight in zelda ever and looked so good for a wii game
>>747602965He dies in WW. He gets turned to stone and then crushed by the ocean after the king makes his wish.
>>747599932
>>747601182And then muppet ganon completely sucks out any tension from the scene.https://youtube.com/watch?v=coDAn2_7_5A&pp=ygUQZ2Fub24gbGF1Z2ggdG90aw%3D%3D
>>747603013It's babyshit according to OP.
>>747603136He adds to the creepiness.
>>747603136Why is it that every cutscene set in the present in Tears of the Kingdom felt fine, but every cutscene in the past was complete unfiltered ass water? Like seriously the cutscenes in the past feel like a shitty low-budget anime and I'm being generous.
>>747602903The screams are kino
>>747599932>Aonuma is in denial about this*Hacknuma wouldn't know edge if the master sword stabbed him through the head like it did with Ganon at the end of WW.Koizumi knew vibes, however...
>>747603158a whole game of barbapapa imprisoned & hardgay ghiranim made it hard for me to take demise seriously
This is what Zelda is supposed to look like.
>>747602902>Is there a gloomier game in the franchise than A Link to the Past?Uh, I dunno, how about the game literally covered in gloom?
>>747603405Ghirahim was awesome and his flamboyant style was a nice contrast to his creepiness.
>>747603523>>747602134
>>747603523that's link, moron
>>747603565ricky..........sexo.........
>>747600826>trying to be a children's companyThey ARE a children's company.
>>747603845Nuh uh. Flash games taught me Mario used to have a gun and go on bloody shooting rampages.
Zelda has become Dora thanks to Fujibayashi.
>>747603289He looks like a damn gmod character. So many villains surpass him.https://youtube.com/watch?v=YebMt5DDSF4&pp=ygUJZGFnb3RoIHVy0gcJCf4LAYcqIYzv
>>747599932Zelda has always had comedic, lighthearted elements. Its a blend of everything much like its gameplay is action, puzzle-solving, dungeon crawling, etc all at once.
>>747599932Take Wind Waker out of the real zelda tier. You know that's the game that introduced all the kiddy shit.
>>747599932>noooo zelda should be more like goy soulsi have european fantasy fatigue
>>747604535Literally nobody said it didn't. But I think you'd even concede that the blend is much too goofy now. It clearly is.
>>747604712The cartoon artstyle of WW was meant to mask a dark underbelly. WW is actually a very somber meditation on the cycle of violence, which was prescient coming out right before Iraq. Meanwhile, the LA remake looks like fucking Bob the Builder.
>>747604727>zelda should be like a real video game.....yeah?
>>747599932>wind waker >>747600330that's just aonuma taking over, OP mistakenly put WW on the top row though
>>747605027Sloppy edit. That WW image looks more like the N64 games on the top than the games on the bottom and the middle image in your edit is not an in-game screenshot.
>>747602134?
>>747605154wind waker does not look more like the n64 games than skyward sword you delusional manchild
>>747600758AAAYYYYYYEEEEEEE DONT POKE HOLES IN MY ARGUMENTS
>>747605229In your own edit it does. You chose a really low-res screenshot from WW
>>747605284yeah that's the problem, the low-res aspect
>>747601470No Zelda game has ever had gore you disingenuous faggot
>>747604832The amount of denial you're in is insane.
>>747605358
>>747605170correct me if i'm wrong but those design look like they came out straight of Wizardry or some D&D book, did whoever that worked on their design said anything during an interview about the inspiration he used for them or not?
>>747605170hmmmm
>>747605846Looks more like a Grand Wizard to me.
>>747599932I realize this is supposed to be a shitposting thread, but just in case anyone is serious, even since OoT there have been weird, fruity, and goofy character designs.
mm gave us tingle
>>747605452Wizardry/DnD were extremely influential in Japan during the 80s so that's not surprising
>>747606607Tingle worked in MM because it's a weird game and Tingle is explicitly stated to be a 35 year old manchild whose father is ashamed of him. Nintendo got way too carried away with him though. It's like how Cartoon Network insisted on pushing Fred Fredburger just because he worked once.
>>747600758Lore-rape aside, this fight was dope as fuck to play.
>>747606832>Nintendo got way too carried away with him thoughif anything, they didn't go far enough and toned him down. His appearance in wind waker is an insult and his games afterwards also didn't have as repulsive as a design.
>>747604727>false dichotomy
>>747599932Zelda was fantasy and now It is also fantasy; but fantasy has changed with nuD&D, tv shows qnd anime, and so Zelda has changed as well
>>747605408Exception to the rule.
>>747600048wind waker scared me as a kid
>>747605408This is not on-screen murder so it's not comparable to the TotK scene.
>>747603523Generic western slop?
>>747607545The stealth section in Forsaken Fortress the first time was scary as fuck as a kid. There are so many jump scares.
>>747600048I first played OoT when I was 7 or 8 years old. I got so scared of the adult temples that I stopped playing it partway through and didn't go back to finish playing it until I was in middle school. Even then, the well and the Shadow Temple scared the piss out of me but I powered through.
BOTW and TOTK went back to horror, and coping otherwise is retarded.
>>747607709nothing in these games is as "horrific" as the darker aspects of oot/mm
Do retards here really think OoT and older games were Dark Souls levels of dark? Enough to qualify as "dark fantasy"? lmao
>>747607807no but they weren't outright toddler shit like WW or BotW
>>747607843If BotW was toddler shit it wouldn't have started in a setting were thousands died and your old friends died and you have to help them move on.
>>747607843WW is for adults. BotW is Dora.
>>747607989revisionism
>>747607953it doesn't matter what the setting is if the framing around it doesn't match. WW was similar, countless dead after hyrule was flooded but still comes across as a toddler's cartoon >>747607989lol
>>747607953The calamity doesn't affect anyone in any meaningful way. Society is pretty mucebuilt and there's no looming threat or urgency. Also its a bit strange that there are no human remains to be found anywhere.
>>747607709I haven't played totk but how the fuck did botw go back to horror? If anything it moved away from horror, as skyward sword had those parts where you got chased by statues
>>747608226The same applies to OoT when Ganondorf takes over. The city is destroyed but all the npcs we know just move to Kakariko village. It's all about implications, and implications of this kind aren't fit for toddler cartoons.
>>747608585pretty sure a good amount of the NPCs we see are redeads, nevermind the frozen zora and starved goron
>>747608713>nevermind the frozen zora and starved goronVery common type of plot points in nu-Zelda too. Not really anything exceptional in the "dark" department.>>747608713>redeadsI hate the cowardice with this, but it's confirmed Redeads are not zombies.
>>747608906if this was confirmed after soinuma took over the series (post-MM) then I don't consider it cannon
>>747608906That's noncanon. It's from the trophy description in Melee which was not written by Zelda writers.
>>747608713TotK has Gorons hooked up on rock-cocaine.
>>747608459this is more horror than anything in SS
>>747599932Toon Link games really were the bottom barrel of the franchise
>>747609132WW was peak. PH was decent but not great. ST sucked Marty McFly's ginormous testicles.
>Windcels getting uppity againTime for a reminder>dude what if we got rid of all the gritty elements that were essential to zelda's aesthetic>dude what if we made the ocean huge and empty with the same repeating blue color throughout>dude what if we got rid of all challenge from every aspect of the game>dude what if we told you how to solve a puzzle in the final dungeon when the solution was a door over>dude what if we got rid of a few dungeons and replaced them with stupid triforce hunt shit>dude what if we had the worst dungeons in 3D zelda>dude what if we tried to give ganon a sympathetic motive at the final battle, never expanded on it and killed him anyway>dude what if we added a multi-weapon mechanic but made it useless since it drops after opening a door and are all shittier than the master sword anyway>dude what if we permanently fucked up the timeline>dude what if we made it so you constantly have to change the wind pattern to even navigate through the shit overworld>dude what if we made it so that the biggest side quest in the game involves a camera with an extremely limited photo inventory>dude what if we copy pasted shitty enemy gauntlets all over the world for padding>dude what if we made the teleporting mechanic limited to a couple squares of the world>dude what if we had the first major area in the game open up with a shitty stealth segment for no reason>dude what if...hear me out...what if we made the players farm for butterfly charms to progress
>>747609227Reminder this shit-for-brains got anally raped here:https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/564825473/#q564827183and then again here:https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/690901661/#690902789
>Wind WakerBlud thinks he is part of the team haha
>>747609227>>747609296>Less than one minute apart with archive links readySamefag pass user
>>747609119Yes if you take a screenshot like that and someone doesn't know what it is. It's a lot less scary when you're playing it.
>>747609227>dude what if we tried to give ganon a sympathetic motive at the final battle, never expanded on it and killed him anywayYeah that was kino
>>747609227I love how this moron says WW doesn't have gritty elements and then contradicts himself in the same post with this:>dude what if we tried to give ganon a sympathetic motive at the final battle, never expanded on it and killed him anyway
>>747609119>crops out his lightsaber
>>747599932this but Metroid
