>>747607193It's fine. The gameplay was fun but like 40cpercent or the cutscenes should have been cut. I view other m and another story or a side thing. It's fine for what it is and is fun with the motion controls. The fact that it's still talked about means it's memorable. No one will be talking about the current wolverine game in 15 years
>>747607498It'd be a 7/10 if it wasn't for the cutscenes, but the cutscenes drag it down to like a 4. You can't ignore them. Literally. You can't even skip them
>>747607193Replayed all the Metroid games recently. I'd still play this over Samus Returns. Both suck but Samus Returns is shit even in the gameplay and world design. This game is okay when it's not a cutscene or QTE.
>>747608253Go fuck yourself, queer
>>747607193Ignore the story and is a solid 7 outnof 10. I like the parry mechanic and some attacks animatuons happening in contextual situatuins loke jumñing on top of some enemies for example make Samus shoot them point blank on their heads.
>>747607498>It's fine. The gameplay was funnah
>>747607193It's a great game that Westoids hate just because of Samus' portrayal as a feminine motherly woman who respects male authority. That's literally 99% of the criticism.
>>747607193Starfield
>>747608521Why the fuck would you want to play as a feminine motherly woman who respects male authority? Are you a tranny?
>>747608410Someone's mad.
>>747608521>That's literally 99% of the criticism.No. Most of the critisism is shitty cutscenes, voiced lines and Samus being scared of Ridley. Which they still miss many of the other worst parts of the games. The QTEs, pixel hunts and almost total lack of music to create "atmosphere."But again, still better than Samus Returns.
>>747607193THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY be submissive to a douche THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY
>>747608253When you're trying to bait, you shouldn't say that one Metroid game's world design sucks when the game you're pretending to like is literally just hallways
>>747608521Even if Samus had the best-written dialogue, her voice actress is so abysmally fucking nails-on-a-chalkboard terrible that it singlehandedly makes the cutscenes unwatchable for me. It's as bad as Ada in RE4 remake, or Megan Fox and Ronda Rousey in the new Mortal Kombat games
>>747607193Team Ninja Never made a bad game. Literally in my top 3 vidya of all time, you stunted slime!
>>747608253Samus Returns is literally the fourth best Metroid of all time, behind Super, Prime 1, and Dread
I liked Other M. Never had a really bad moment with it. It's overrated and I dont really know why. It's not a great game, and one of the weakest Metroid, but I had fun with it. Hunters, NES 1 and GB 2 are way worse.
>>747608769God forbid a woman be portrayed according to traditional gender norms.
>>747607498>The gameplay was funNo reason to actually fight anything unless it's a boss or you have to unlock a door.Incredibly easy and overpowered dodge that instantly charges your weapon and prevents all damage.Using missiles turns you into a stationary target with slow aiming, charging, and lock-on.D-pad movement in a 3D environment is clunky and annoying.
I hatr everybody in this thread.
>>747609041Don't you have to clear a room to make the power-up spawn? Or at the very least have it show up on the map
>>747608521>>747608620Isn't it funny how they have no problem with male protagonists being cucks that constantly have orders yelled at them by their bosses/commanding officers, but if the protagonist is female, she needs to be 100% strong independent woman power fantasy that takes orders from no one?
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>>747608881That's how Sakamoto wanted it, he personally coached the English VA.
>>747607193I will die on the hill that Other M had good ideas that deserve to be salvaged. It's fucking stupid to throw entire concepts in the garbage just because a bad entry did it first. >pixel huntWhy wasn't it just scanning?>MBShould've been the real Mother Brain. >third-personI NEED a proper third-person Metroid game. Also, Samus' civilian outfit is fabulous.
>>747609089Most of the rooms yeah. Clearing the rooms allow some stuff to happen.
This game is like everything wrong with Other M amplified. So bad it actually killed its series unlike Other M just derailing Metroid for a few years.
>>747608975We literally have identical 1-1 tastes in Metroid games (though I would put Dread in peak, and I've never played Prime remastered and consider it interchanggeable with the OG)
>>747608521>>747609108Isn't it funny how you animals create entire alternate universes in your heads and pretend they're real solely to manufacture outrage on 4chan?
>>747608975>Never had a really bad moment with it.You don't consider Samus shitting her diaper at the sight of Ridley, suicidally charging into a volcano without her Varia suit, and letting Adam almost kill her bad moments?
>>747609186Dread was excellent, but I feel like the hunted sections where you have to run away from the robots became a little bit repetitive. I'll replay it at some point for sure.
>>747608984>Samus Aran>traditional gender normsNice bait. Here's why that's not only stupid, but directly out of character.
>>747607193There isn't a bad Metroid game. The main formula exists in all titles. Other M has great gameplay, nonsensical Jap plot, great aesthetics. 9/10
>>747609108Is the strawman in the room with us right now?
The thumbs-up sign had been used by the Galactic Federation for ages. Me, I was known for giving the thumbs-down during briefing.I had my reasons, though... Commander Adam Malkovich was normally cool and not one to joke around, but he would end all of his mission briefings by saying, "Any objections, Lady?" He was joking, but others weren't... At the time I felt surrounded by people who treated me like a child or used kid gloves because I was a woman.And yet, with Adam, I was grateful for the nod... My past has left me with an uneasy soul, and as a result, it touched me on some level that Adam would acknowledge that past by calling me something delicate—like "Lady." And I knew more than anyone that every word from Adam was deliberate. My thumbs-down was a twofold response—a sign of derision at being called a lady, and a signal of my complete understanding of the mission orders. The other soldiers were always willing to support me with easy smiles despite the fact that I clearly had so much yet to learn. Among them was Anthony.In the face of his well-meaning behavior, and that of the other soldiers, my response was to become increasingly bitter. I was a child, always with something to prove. A chip on my shoulder.And I was angry. I felt that if I let my guard down, I would easily be broken. And beyond that, I was scared. But even in the naivete of my youth, I could see in Adam's joking manner how close he felt to me.Adam knows my past. And he knows me better than anyone else.Confession time. Because I was so young when I lost both of my parents, there's no question I saw Adam as a father figure. When I rebelled against him, I knew I could get away with it. And his paternal compassion in the face of my rebellion reinforced the special bond I felt with him.I understood well that chances were slim that I would ever find anyone that understood me like Adam. And yet... When the time came, I still left his side. I was so young. Young and naive...
>>747609129Is that true? If so, that is an act of mindblowing arrogance. Retarded chink who doesn't even speak a word of English thinks he can voice direct English actors. This is the same reason the English actors in Squid Game are so terrible it almost ruins the show
>>747609121>>747609417THUMBS DOWN NNNNII
>>747609323I'm surprised Adam didn't order her to make him a sandwich in Other M desu.
>>747607498>The fact that it's still talked about means it's memorable. No one will be talking about the current wolverine game in 15 yearsEven within the franchise, I think Prime 4 is an example of this. It's gonna be forgotten a lot faster than Other M even if it's not quite as much of a disaster. Not sure if I agree that's a good thing or not though.
>>747609276Those are story telling sections that are weak. Also, no, I dont think that the sight of the 12 feet tall DinoAlien who killed your whole planet and almost killed you several time by that point and who is supposed to be dead, not supposed to arouse some PTSD. >>>/wsg/6233452The whole upgrade system only being tied to your boss telling you that you can or not use the Varia suit and ect is dumb, yes and feel bad.
>>747609429He also forgot the Gravity Suit existed and when watching a cutscene set after obtaining it said "Who is this purple person? This looks so strange, get rid of it", which is why it's instead some purple smoke coming out of her shoulders.
>>747609417>Confession timeI'm gonna be real... of all the infamous moments in Other M... Samus freaking out over Ridley, "Remember me?", thumbs down, Adam shooting Samus, the whole Varia suit debacle... this specific line sticks with me the most. Two words. "Confession time". It's one of the most incongruent lines of dialogue I've ever heard spoken in any media ever. Why the FUCKwould SAMUS ARANEVER SAYIN A NARRATION"Confession time."?????IS SHE A FUCKING TEENAGE GIRL TALKING ABOUT HER CRUSH
>>747609206>>747609349You guys never even notice this if it's not a female protagonist because it's just normal to you. it's very common in games, especially anything that involves military.You don't want women to ever be depicted as subordinates in any situation and it's obviously some weird brainwashing shit that you've embraced.
>>747607193Every Fire Emblem game starting with Awakening
>>747609553That's the thing, Beyond was better than Other M but in the end it's merely a mediocre and dull game. The reason Other M is remembered is because of just how dogshit it is on nearly every front.
The only thing I really didn't enjoy about other m was the d-pad controls in 3d arenas. They genuinely made develoment harder on themselves by trying to make a true 2d/3d hybrid
>>747609659Anon... Samus isn't in the military (anymore). Did you play the game? Master Chief taking orders from a naval admiral makes sense. Samus, an independent bounty hunter, taking orders from a military general that doesn't even want her on the mission and she is actively disobeying by even being present, should not be taking orders from him. They're not even supposed to be assigned to the same mission together. She's literally following him around like a sad unwanted puppy. I can't think of any male protagonist that pathetic
>>747607193samus was the healthiest breeding stock by the time of Other M (last entry in the timeline), her body was at it's curviest and most mature and mentally her mind was at it's most fragile and childlike. Objectively peak mating health.
>>747609659If Sakamoto wanted a woman to be stupid, whiny, nearly in-tears over getting her daddy's approval, and completely useless in her own game, he should have just created a brand-new character instead of taking Samus and mangling her into his vision of what Samus was "supposed to be".
>>747609147Zero Suit looked her absolute best in Other M, I love the gun hip strap thing, even more so than what Smash 4 and Ultimate did to her, giving her random bracelets and rocket heels. Every time I see ZSS fan art I look out for those like people look out for things being ai. Sorry for being autistic something stupid.
>>747609937Samus is his creation, he can write her as he see's fit. As far as you are concerned, he is God of the metroid franchise. It's not his fault you completely misinterpreted the character.
>>747610102Gunpei Yokoi would say otherwise.
>>747609623Not gonna lie. I gotta agree with Sakamoto here. I think the Gravity Suit looks dumb. Samus should never wear any color other than orange, period. Yep
>>747608881While I don't know of any of her other vocal performances to compare it to, it may not have even been the voice actors fault. A lot of the problem is the direction. Them telling Samus and Adam to act stoic and stilted. While the other actors are hamming it up like it's a B horror movie. The Japanese voices also have this problem. The scenes are boring even in the Japanese.And it's the same with games like Breath of the Wild. So even when you get rid of the forced fake British accents and listen to it in another language like Japanese, it's totally bad. Even though the voice actors have plenty of other work you can go watch and they do fine in those. For some reason Nintendo just wants their characters to sound stilted and "grounded" in cutscenes, the few games that get them. The remake of Ocarina looks to be doing the same.
I don't have a list in front of me but I'm fairly sure I remember that it contradicts literally every other game in the series in some way or another.
>>747610102>what is death of the authorThe author can be wrong about his own work all the time. Ridley Scott, George Lucas, Neil Druckmann, Todd Phillips. Ascribing infallibility to the creator is toddler-brain shit
>>747609937Samus shouldn't have had voice acting and a backstory at all. Because 90% of her appeal was the unknown. She was basically the female Boba Fett. But like Boba Fett, when we got an origin story for him, the mystery was gone. And no one cared about him anymore.They just did a terrible job of "humanizing" her on top of this.
>>747610201>While I don't know of any of her other vocal performances to compare it to,That's the thing. Samus was literally her first professional role. She was 23, fresh out of college. She was literally hired for her looks, probably
I do love how much Samus and the player accomplishes in Other M.It was great stopping the Deleter... wait, MB killed him.There was preventing the BOTTLE Ship from reaching Federation space... no, Anthony did that.We finally ended Ridley's threat... shoot, Queen Metroid ate him.That amazing final level of Sector Zero was so much fun... hold on, Adam shot us in the back and stole it.But surely we took down the galactic menace that was MB... and the Galactic Federation just ventilated her.AHA! We saved Adam's helmet from the self-destructing ship... unless we're on Hard Mode which doesn't have the postgame content.
>>747610567Herocucked
>>7476091683rd Birthday is a great game and I'm tired of pretending it's not. Majority of the hate is from /v/iggers who never even played one second of it.
>>747610297Don't worry, I've got it for you.>>747609147Other M had exactly two good ideas: Anthony Higgs, and little bird being THE BABY Ridley. Neither of those things has any real need to be revisited.
>>747610426>>747610201I've always heard she was literally told to be as flat and emotionless as possible.
>>747610297
>>747607193I recall everyone liking Other M when it came out, one of my coworkers was obsessed with it and let me borrow the game, and I liked it too. Didn't even know that on the internet it was a meme to hate on the game. It was pretty good but you have to think of it as Team Ninja Itagaki action kino and not so much as a Metroid game.
>>747610710That was Sakamoto's direction, yes.
>>747610710I don't know dude. You can give a good performance of a flat and emotionless character (ex. Clare from Claymore, 2B). Samus literally just sounds like Megan Fox in Mortal Kombat. Terrible readings
>>747610298>The author can be wrong about his own work all the time.For example. The suit is not tied to Samus' emotional state. We can all see with our fucking eyeballs that's not how it works.
>>747610848I'm sure, but it takes talent that you're not going to get out of a fresh-faced newbie. It was an unfair ask. But it was also apparently exactly what Sakamoto wanted.
>>747610848if you care about the story in video games, fuck you
>>747611014No story is better than a bad story. If you're gonna force me (yes, FORCE; the cutscenes are unskippable, even on repeat playthroughs) to sit through several hours of cutscenes, you're damn right I'm gonna be critical of them. They better be some good fucking cutscenes. Imagine if every 30 minutes of gameplay was interrupted by 10 minutes of static where you can't do anything>durrrr, if you care about the static in video games, fuck youRetard.
>>747611014This is such a bitch cop out. It is human nature to care about story because we evolved to recognize patterns. It's why stories are such a huge and important part of our civilization. You cannot help but care about stories, cause that's how our species functions neurologically.
>>747610745I'm willing to try to challenge/question some of this stuff cause I'm bored and amused at replying to arguments from 2012How does samus working with the feds in other M contradict the prime trilogy?I'm not sure what Mother Brain's defeat has to do with the space pirate's competency. I dont think they were even responsible for her return in Super.The fusion suit is technically a downgraded power suit wittled down to its bare essentials, the pieces that make the varia suit we know are with the SA-X.And for the cold immune metroids, maybe we can chalk this to the usefulness of the hatchling metroids vs the evolved state? The feds maybe prefer the floating speedy stages compared to the grounded advanced stages
>>747610848You can have a character who doesn't deliver emotion in the tone of their voice but still deliver it in other ways. But that takes good writing. Allusions to their thoughts and feelings through what they say, rather than how they say it.Other M has the exact opposite. Samus is literally freaking out and scared in cutscenes, but then delivered emotionless and boring. Then in the cutscenes of her as a child she's overacting and angry. Its like they (probably Sakamoto) doesn't even understand how human emotions work. Let alone how to portray them through the medium of film.
/v/:>gameplay is all that matters! who cares about story in video games? if it plays good its a good game!also /v/:>other m is terrible because the cutscenes suck and they ruined samus's character! the baby!!
>>747611014>>747610814Other M's gameplay is awful too. Sakamoto demanded that the game be played on a sideways wii remote, which means there was no room for a dedicated dodge button, so dodging is performed by tapping the joypad in any direction. Since the joypad is also used for normal movement, it was impossible to implement any kind of punishment for mistiming a dodge attempt (since there's no way to know if it WAS a failed dodge attempt and not just normal movement) and as such you can do a full clear no damage run by just continuously tapping in some direction to auto-dodge anything that would hit you. And of course, there was no space on the controller to implement any kind of aiming during combat, so you just mash the fire button to deal damage. It's entirely Sakamoto's fault rather than Team Ninja, but Other M is the ultimate button masher with less gameplay depth than that fucking Wolverine game that just came out.
>>747611664Yes. We're literally saying Other M shouldn't have had the cutscenes at all and focused just on gameplay. Good job.
I played it recently for the first time with the Redux mod, and honestly, I could see it being the future of the franchise. The presentation is easily the best Metroid has ever had. Too bad about literally everything else, but I can't lie and say there isn't a fantastic game buried under all the piles and piles of bullshit.
>>747611664What are you supposed to do when the cutscenes come on then, anon? Do you just doomscroll on social media on your phone like a fucking ADHD zoomer until it's over? I shouldn't have to do that, the cutscenes should at least be painless to watch, that's bare fucking minimum expectation
>>747607193it's more metroid than prime
>>747610650>>747610745>>747611527it's quite clear the creator of that pasta never played all of Metroid or fully comprehended Other M.
>>747611258The story in Mario is you eat mushrooms to grow big to save the princess from a giant evil turtle. Fuck you faggot
>>747611527>How does samus working with the feds in other M contradict the prime trilogy?Samus specifically says she never worked with the Federation from the moment she left until Other M.>I'm not sure what Mother Brain's defeat has to do with the space pirate's competency. I dont think they were even responsible for her return in Super.Other M explains that without a Mother Brain, the Space Pirates were feral animals without thought of their own.>The fusion suit is technically a downgraded power suit wittled down to its bare essentials, the pieces that make the varia suit we know are with the SA-X.Other M explains that Samus' suit is tied to her emotional state, which is why she desummons the suit when freaking out over Ridley and Adam shoots her in the back. In Fusion they had to cut most of her suit off of her body.>And for the cold immune metroids, maybe we can chalk this to the usefulness of the hatchling metroids vs the evolved state? The feds maybe prefer the floating speedy stages compared to the grounded advanced stagesThis one is logical.
>>747611527>How does samus working with the feds in other M contradict the prime trilogy?She has a line in Other M where she states this is her first joint mission with the Feds since leaving them. ... Which, actually contradicts the first game two, technically. >I'm not sure what Mother Brain's defeat has to do with the space pirate's competency. I dont think they were even responsible for her return in Super.There's this dumb plot point about how Space Pirates are actually mindless beasts who Mother Brain is controlling. >The fusion suit is technically a downgraded power suit wittled down to its bare essentials, the pieces that make the varia suit we know are with the SA-X.It's referring to the plot point about how the suit is maintained by Samus actively concentrating to keep it on. This is just straight up wrong, as shown by several other games where she's temporarily incapacitated and it stays on.
>>747611848Hit the bong and watch some cool shit happen
>>747607193It has one good thing in it.
>>747611976>Other M explains that without a Mother Brain, the Space Pirates were feral animals without thought of their own.NTA but uh... Mother Brain didn't fucking die in Metroid 1/ZM. Obviously. Ever heard of SUPER??
>>747611014>>747611664It's like ACfag constantly refreshes the board obsessively searching for anything Metroid-related so he can run in and start performing his song and dance.
>>747609147Samus civilian-wear looks pretty retarded thoughbiet
>>747608253I'm playing Samus return right now, the one thing that hurt that game is not being black and white and the screen being closer to the player so you see less of what is around you.
>>747612020Cool shit like Samus shitting in her diaper and giving the worst vocal performance in video-game history and cringey exaggerated overacted Japanese "humor"
>>747607801>It'd be a 7/10 if it wasn't for the cutscenes,There is no reality in which a game with SenseMove is anything more than a 4/10 and even that's generous.
>>747609041Spot on. Any claims that Other M's gameplay is passable let alone good is a great IQ test.
>deviate the most atmospheric, dialogueless western styled game to some tranime hot topic tween moviegameliterally what the fuck were they thinking
>>747612341Desperately wanted that Japanese market
Giraffe blowjob
>>747612428Fucking lol
>>747612065Nothing ever dies in the Metroid universe. You can literally sit there seeing something blow up, then blow up the entire planet it's on. Then they come back 2 games later.What's dumb is not so much that they come back. But they can't keep the continuity correct. Ridley shouldn't have shown up in Samus Returns. Let alone augmented Ridley. And Kraid shouldn't be in Dread. But we're past the idea of continuity and now it's just "gotta put them in to make the fans squeal."
>>747607193people keep trying to make revisionism threads for that game here and it's the most pathetic thing I've ever seen
>>747612473Unfortunately there's too many braindead contrarians who try to claim that this game is good
>Dodge2Win>Use a D-Pad to control a fast-paced 3D action game>Completely reorient the controller in your hands just to fire missiles>Where's Waldo segments>Literally 0 chance you ever get lost or have to explore in the game with how linear it is>Has the most painfully generic art style and music in the series>"Bro Other M is great if you just ignore the story"
>>747612341>animeMetroid has always been anime as fuck. They chose the wrong style of anime to emulate. >>747612505They seem to have truly given the fuck up on trying to appeal to Japan with Metroid. Which is funny, cause they tried really fucking hard, and not even just with Other M. There's like five(technically six) different Metroid manga for fucks sake.
>>747612540>You can literally sit there seeing something blow up, then blow up the entire planet it's on. Then they come back 2 games later.This has never happened in the entire Metroid franchise. Except Kraid, that kinda has no excuse other than 1, it's a different member of his species, or 2, he escaped long before Zebes blew up (I mean he had plenty of time since you beat him near the beginning)
>>747612693Funny thing is the manga are all pretty sick, the Japanese just have no fucking taste.
>>747612785Isn't there a monster that you beat in super that comes back to life after you've beaten him later in the same game? Like motherfucker is literal bones in lava and still attacks you?
>>747612108All non-trip using schizos do the exact same shit. Every Elden Ring thread or LoZ thread causes the same insane retard to jump in and start his song and dance.Make a Senran thread and watch Boco or LunaticSoda post completely uninvited within a minute.
>>747612818Right?! I was gonna say, they're all pretty good for what they are, honestly.
>>747612693I'm gonna be real. I think (modern) Japanese media is only good when they're pandering to Westerners. Metroid, Dark Souls, Berserk, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Ghost in the Shell, Silent Hill. All very Western. Pure Japanese shit is gay and cringe (like JRPGs). Well there's some cool samurai games but besides that. A Japanese man can only make something good if he watched an American movie, thought "that's the coolest shit I've ever seen", and then makes a video-game or anime trying to emulate that feeling
>>747612785>This has never happened in the entire Metroid franchisePhantoon in Super and Dark Samus in Prime 2
>>747612878Crocomire. That's immediate. You drop him in lava, there's a pause... and then his skeleton suddenly lunges out for one final scare. But then he falls apart. It's just a neat little moment
>>747612540I thought ridley in Returns was to throw a bone to primefags, showing a ridley that was likely in the middle of getting off the cybernetics from prime 3.
>>747613025Dark Samus exists in the essence of all phazon. As long as phazon exists, Dark Samus can manifest. I know that's a slightly cheap explanation but I think it's perfectly acceptable sci-fi fantasy bullshit
>>747612818>>747612968For me, it's Onomeshin's canon.
>>747611664>>747611014Other m would be a terrible game even with zero story. The whole gameplay revolves around gutting everything good about metroid, to make an overly linear cinematic third person shooter, with auto aim and health/ammo regen, and no exploration allowed.
>>747613025Dark Samus shouldn't count because the scene where she comes back to life is in the same game where she was beaten, not something they retconned in later. Both times.
>>747613128The Prime II manga was good and surprisingly dark for a quick tie-in
>>747613278Valid, I forgot about the 100% ending
>>747607193Other M was great. It's basically a 3D Metroid Fusion. Have you even played it OP, or did you get your opinion from a Youtuber?
>>747613427I'm a big fan of this page.
>>747613541>conveniently ignoring the abysmal story
>>747613609>Join the GFMCFucking love the little sidebars Metroid Database does
>>747609168>>747610636I think it has the worst story of any game I've ever played, and that includes NES games where the entire plot is contained in one badly-translated paragraph. If you ignore that, though, it's a pretty fun third-person shooter.
>>747610950Wow it's almost like they retconned that in the game immediately following Fusion: Zero Mission.
>>747612473https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=neAOruo0OrQ
>>747613820>Samus got cucked by Raven BeakThis poor girl can't catch a break
>>747613838I do like how pretty much everyone who has anything nice to say about the game at all includes Anthony on the list.
>>747613609>oh my science and wholesome keanus chungus, samus is... le heckin human under the mask
>>747607193>boring, awful story>overly simplified waggle shit controlsMy expectations were nonexistent, and I was still disappointed.
>>747614108There are more convincing stories showing her humanity
>>747614114What waggle controls?
>>747614104He's everything Adam was supposed to be but inexplicably wasn't.Someone on tvtropes theorized that they were supposed to be the same character in development. That theory is demonstrably not true, but it fits surprisingly well.
>>747614528Using missiles.
>DUDE I HATE STRONK WOMEN>okay, here's Samus being emotional and stupid like an actual woman>NOOO NOT LIKE THATSamus in other m is seriously the best written woman of all time because she acts exactly like a woman. Reminds me of this movie quote>how do you write women so well?>I write her as if I'm writing a man, and then take away his logic and reasonOther M is so ahead of it's time it's unreal.
>>747607193We had a few insisting that it wasn't 'that bad' when Prime 4 came out.
>>747607498>The fact that it's still talked about means it's memorable. No one will be talking about the current wolverine game in 15 yearsthat's just because it's shit in a unique way, as opposed to wolverine which is shit in a stock contemporary way
>>747609168PE2 getting repeatedly shit on during development showed that Square considered the 'franchise' already dead from the start, 3rd Birthday was just a masturbation sessions from all of the usual suspects at SE
>>747607498>>747614978qrd on wolverine? havent paid much attention
>>747612785>This has never happened in the entire Metroid franchise.KraidRidleyMother BrainPhantoonNightmareIt's so common it's actually like most of the main bosses...
>>747615149Bog standard sony movie game. Costs 500 million dollars to make. will flop and be a giant hole in Sony's already spott record.
>>747614882This, it's impossible for a woman to be anything besides stupid mindless meat for breeding and abusing and keeping a clean house, if only the government could remember this and take away their fights and freedoms and protections so we can put them back in their God-appointed place.
>>747615460>>747614882This could've been solved if you replaced her with a robot. I don't see Environmental Station Alpha ever having an Other M situation.
>>747613092>I thought ridley in Returns was to throw a bone to primefags, showing a ridley that was likely in the middle of getting off the cybernetics from prime 3.The problem is he then shows up in Super and Fusion with no augmentation. It was dumb for him to have them in the Prime games as well.>>747612972Adult Swim is over there.
>>747614819Not waggle
>>747607193I'll give it to then that aside wacky plot and characters, it was genuinely fun early on. Like they tried to mix the 2D Metroids with Prime, used the 2 methods to hold the controller with certain upgrades only available in each side to encourage the switching, we had most skills available through it and while sometimes that made the game clunky I loved it.But holy shit man, Other M has a ton of sparse areas. You quickly get bored out of it as you progress through it. After you beat the first boss, it soon becomes a chore to traverse and explore. THAT is what messed up the game. Because while there was a lot I liked, there was far more I disliked.I have to admit I probably liked it more than Prime 4 because I went through Other M in one sitting, yet here I am struggling to stomach continuing it after clearing the Flare Pool.
>>747615149>qrd on wolverine? It's your standard mediocre AAA game except with the AAA aspects (like extreme hand-holding and extremely mindless combat) cranked to 11, to the point where even gaming journalists are able to notice
>>747613649Well it's not like Metroid is known for it's amazing story
>>747615149Ultra safe generic AAA slop, except it's a fully linear action game with no alternate selling point like an open world you can websling around which is forcing people to confront just how shallow the gameplay actually is.
>>747607193Nah I've definitely seen some people who hate the Prime series claim this was better.
>>747615517>gets hacked>now it's worse than being an emotional crying piece of shit, it's actively traitorus
>>747613092>>747615530He was saved by his cybernetic parts and his body regrew throughout the trilogy and Samus Returns until he was completely organic again.
>>747615772Skill issue.
>>747607193What was bad about Other M gameplay though?
>>7476159733D game limited to the wiimote 2D movement. And QTE events and counters are not what Metroid should do (yes, Samus Returns and Dread as well).Some of these ideas would have been revolutionary if they did them on the N64. But it was on the Wii.
>>747615706How can someone say that after hunting green pixels on grass?
Imagine if Other M came out today>TEAM NINJA MADE SAMUS SEXY LIKE HOW SHE IS SUPPOSED TO BE>SAMUS ISNT LE STRONK WOMAN HOLY BASED>NINTENDO SHOWS THAT WOKE IS DEADStarting to think it only failed because it came out right as the woke shit started happening.
>>747609147Except its good ideas were salvaged.Mercury Steam's animations for Samus are obviously heavily inspired by Team Ninja's in Other M. And Other M's audio-visual effects for the power bombs has been used in every Metroid since (including AM2R).Dread also carried the Diffusion Beam forward.
>>747615612It's baffling that they can write this and give it a 6 when it plays like shit.
>>747615973it all revolves around automatic 'qte' dodges that give you charge shots. the ideal way to play most encounters is to simply stand in place and wiggle back & forth because due to working with such a limited control scheme you activate a dodge by just hitting a direction before an attack. (and the window is very generous)
>>747612693>Metroid has always been anime as fucknever really saw it that way. always felt like it was quite the fusion of western comic book pulp and atmospheric sci-fi a la Alien
>>747608975>Prime 2 in flawed but enjoyable while Prime 3 is in great gamesWeird choice. Also, Dread is a good game but it's insanely short and has little meaningful exploration outside of shortcuts/teleports and a handful of speed booster puzzles that not even a child would struggle with.
>>747609041>No reason to actually fight anything unless it's a boss or you have to unlock a door.That's how most Metroid games are, anon
>>747608975>prime 2 on the same level as 4 and other Mneck yourself
>>747615973I think that, ignoring the d-pad for 3d movement, other M had the bones, physics, mechanics for a solid 2d-3d metroidvania hybrid.They just got overly fixated on the idea of being a moviegame
>>747616310Very respectable list. A+.
>>747616293Prime 2 ammo system is annoying, and while the bosses were all fun to play against, the exploration of the Dark and Light world was overall really annoying especially by the end.
>>747616307Actually, enemies in Metroid games drop critical health and ammo and deal a pretty significant amount of damage, so unless you're really good at avoiding confrontation, killing enemies is important because it replenishes your health and ammo.If avoiding confrontation is too easy, there's no reason to kill the enemies.
>>747615973a lot>hallway "level design">0 exploration >i spy segments>recharging health/missiles>d pad with 3d movement >uninteresting upgrade usage >lame enemies >paced like shit even if you ignore the unskipable cutscenes
>>747616125I know this is bait but "Other M is the only thing the feminists are actually right about." was an unironically common sentiment on /v/ back when the game was only a few years old.
>>747612972definitely true. most japanese media in general has been pastiches of western media ever since it opened up more in the 1900s and their occidentalism started to become more common. their cars are an excellent example as it was just them iterating on american cars to make them better for their societies infrastructure making them much smaller and more cost-effective.
>>747616310I replayed all the primes before Prime 4 came out. Echoes aged badly, at least Prime 3 had a cool movement scheme and the exploration was fairly fun despite the isolation of the levels between each other.
I still don't like giving Samus heels after all this time. They made a point in Zero Mission's concept art to go NO PUMPS and then they immediately gave her pumps in Other M. The audacity.
>>747616482not really, no. Story is irrelevant for metroid, samus could get on her knees and suck adam's cock and it wouldn't matter if the gameplay was well designed unlike other M
>>747616170Speaking of ideas, whatever happened to the saboteur?I remember someone on Adam's crew being involved with some backstabbing and shit, but I can not remember how did that turned out in the end
>>747616498>prime 3 exploration better than echoessee my previous statement
>>747616482Those had to have been shitposts. I imagine from the same retards who say samus should never not be in her power suit and would prefer her to be a robot. E.G: homosexuals and women.
>>747616553I stand by my opinion. Dont know when you last played the primes, but it seem clouded by nostalgia.
>>747616615I play the trilogy annually along with super and ZM
>>747615149>Insane hand holding...>...despite the game being entirely linear with the only optional paths leading to "challenge" rooms that you can ace by holding up on the stick and jumping at a relaxed pace>Traversal is very "scripted" as in you don't have any cool techniques that you pull off, Logan just does shit that looks cool that you have no real control over>No real challenge whatsoever, easiest Insomniac game ever madeNot to mention all of the non-gameplay problems like the fujo devs shoehorning a GAY ROMANCE BETWEEN WOLVERINE AND SABRETOOTH which would be like them making a new Spiderman game and giving Miles Morales a gay romance with Carnage or a Batman game where he has a gay romance with the Bane
>>747616640You should play new games
>>747612693>Metroid has always been anime as fuck.It has some influences. But it's clearly way more influenced by western comics and movies. I mean, the main story is literally a retelling of the Alien film franchise. And then some other western film nods here and there for certain scenes.The anime influences are kind of secondary. Like the suit and some enemy designs. And while I wish they'd play these up more, they're getting buried by cinematics and story. Just like Zelda's influences have been buried by Aonuma's obsession with cutscenes and lore over the years. I honestly wish Metroid would get back to focusing on upgrading the suit and hunting metroids. But thanks to Dread, that'll never happen now.
>>747616670I played prime 4 unfortunately
>>747616585>I imagine from the same retards who say samus should never not be in her power suit and would prefer her to be a robotIf you're not a porn addicted gooner, what's wrong with this sentiment?
>>747616505samus shouldn't have shoes at all. ito had it right the first time
>>7476167014 is great though. Classic Metroid feels. Just the desert that is a bad feel. Hopefully Prime 5 goes tighter but leave some space for more open worlding
>>747616532He tries to take out MB and she kills him. You don't remember how it ends because they don't even formally announce who the Deleter was, the plotline is just completely dropped as soon as he dies. Which is honestly pretty reasonable, it just feels shitty because none of the other plotlines in the game get a satisfying resolution either.
>4>classic metroid feel even in the non-desert areasno (you)
>>747616679It's like Cobra, (which was also a big influence) the specific inspirations might be western sci-fi, but it's all filtered through a domestic lens in terms of style and presentation. Results in something unique and more than the sum of its parts.
>>747607193What's the modern consensus on the 3d Metroid games? I've loved the first 3 as a kid but haven't played beyond those
>>747609108Men taking orders from higher ranking men is good. That's how the world works. Armies and chain of commands are baked into the human male psyche from hundreds of thousands of years of internecine warfare, perhaps even millions of years depending on how far back warfare truly goes.Being part of a hierarchy filled with other men is noble and admirable, especially if you're given the opportunity to climb the social ladder within the hierarchy. Being the king's favorite and most loyal knight is /the/ male power fantasy.
>>747616707Unless there's a reason for it, like Darth Vader for example never being able to get out of his, its just retarded. Her being a robot is also boring because if she dies who gives a fuck, just build a new one.
>>747616532>the saboteurThe Deletersay it, anon
>>747616906>prime 1/2god tier>prime 3a step down from the first two but still great>huntersa great game for what it is but unless you're willing to hunt down discord groups for the multiplayer don't bother>federation forcesucks ass but is largely ignorable >Prime 4sucks ass>other MREALLY sucks ass
>>747607193>people say the combat is good >it's just mash A to win and sometimes dpad to dodge without any punishment I now assume anyone who says this game has good combat never played Ninja Gaiden, DMC or Bayonetta.
>>747616928If Samus dies, who cares? Just hire another hunter.
>>747616961>>747616906>prime 1>all the beams have a valuable use>prime 2>black beam against white, white beam against blackit's shit
>>747617009most people who say the combat is good probably haven't even played other m and are just defending it out of brand loyalty or contrarian impulse.
>>747617071>black beam against white, white beam against blacknot true actually, there are a lot of instances where you want to use dark beam on dark enemies, same with light. The best example are the dark pirate commandos, the best way to deal with them is to blast them with charged dark beam and missile them
>>747616839How can you not see classic Metroid Prime feels in 4. You are not a genuine actor.
>>747617048Its been established Samus is the best at what she does by a large margin. If she was a robot just make the exact same one.
>>747616902Yup. I'm definitely not saying Metroid is a 1:1 copy. And I like Metroid more than the Alien franchise. Just saying, the influence is obvious. And way more than any anime influence.
>>747607193so what makes Other M so bad? it's a girl boss game or something okay, but did Metroid ever really have much of a story? is the gameplay much worse?
>>747617168They could just clone her if she dies. Just like in Super Metroid VITALITY.
Prime > Dread > Super > Prime 2 > AM2R > Samus Returns > Zero Mission > Prime 3 > Fusion > Metroid > Metroid 2 > Prime Hunters (singleplayer only) > Federation Force > Prime 4 > Other M
>>747617180>it's a girl boss game or something okayIts the exact opposite of that which is why everyone hates it.
>>747617180yes, the gameplay is terrible. It's a misconception that other M's story is its worst aspect, story doesn't matter in metroid. Dread's story is almost as bad but no one cared
>>747617180You really just have to 'play' it.Going from super metroid to Other M was like going from MGS3 to MGS4.
>>747617235Ravenbeak......
>>747617312Stop responding to ACfag.
>>747617312Yes?
>>747617292not even close, mgs4 has some gameplay elements that are better than 3
>>747616293>Dread is a good game but it's insanely shortWhat? It's far, FAR longer than the first four games.
>>747612972Nah, modern Japanese media, especially manga/anime/light novels, are significantly better than not just their Western equivalents (no duh) but their own counterparts from decades in the past. Japanese storytelling has been in a golden age since the early 2010s, with or without copying Western themes. Meanwhile we in the West have been in a slump for the same amount of time.Japanese sci-fi is every bit the equal of Western sci-fi, the last good thing we have going for us.
>>747617180it's actually much worse than the story
>>747617368Rent Free.
>>747617368>>747617370
>>747617180>did Metroid ever really have much of a storyFor a long time, Metroid games had little to no dialogue. There was a story, but it was told purely through gameplay, environmental storytelling, and maybe a short explanatory cutscene at the start. Fusion was already a big departure for giving Samus occasional inner monologues and conversations with a computer. Other M took that and quadrupled down on it, with a bunch of cutscenes and characters and dialogue. On top of that, it was all hot, wet garbage. Even if it was well-done, it would still be a huge departure from the way Metroid worked, and the fact that it sucked was salt in the wound.
>>747617501
>>747617180It's been explained many times in this thread. But the big points are:-Giving Samus and voice and a backstory ruined her major appeal.-You shouldn't have tons of story and cutscenes in a Metroid game. And then the story they wrote was terrible on top of that.-Linear hallways and you're restricted from using items to explore until near the end of the game (this is a problem in most games after Other M to be fair)-Tone is more like a shitty late Alien movie than a Metroid game.-Gameplay is a lot of QTEs and dodges, which also shouldn't be how a Metroid plays (but sadly SR and Dread did it also)
>>747617438Boy you're going to get a lot of replies with this one. I'm actually someone who thinks there's plenty of good Japanese stuff these days. But I wouldn't say they're better than the old stuff. Just basically more of the same. Western media is destroying itself for virtue signaling while Japanese media is kinda just stuck in a feedback loop. But since the old stuff was good, new stuff being like it is good.
>>747617753I would say that precisely because I am a fan of the old stuff too. Legend of Galactic Heroes, Gundam, Lupin the Third, Kinnikuman, Dragon Ball, Fist of the North Star, Dr. Slump, JJBA, Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop, Gash Bell, Ruruoni Kenshin, Yu Yu Hakusho, Berserk, Galaxy Angel,Yu-Gi-Oh, Bacanno... all great, all in my wheelhouse. But you know what? That extensive list spans 4 separate decades. Every year for the past 15 years we've had, at minimum, 10 new series of similar or superior quality.Video games have taken a bit of a nosedive in Japan, but that's mainly because of the ratings agencies getting stricter forcing fanservice into gachaslop followed by Konami, Bamco, Capcom, Squeenix, Sony, and SEGA deciding that they wanted to chase either the gambling market or the Western market causing the quality of their games to nosedive. The eroge devs and Nintendo are still doing okay, but Nintendo's had a bit of an off year for the past 3 years and it's getting worrying whether they'll be able to save the latter half of the 2020s.
>>747617652Huge disagreeMetroid should've gone the route of MGS. Metroid should've become a cinematic experience with more cutscenes, QTEs, and drama
>>747618340>Metroid should've gone the route of MGSNo.>butNO.
>>747618340didn't other m have an mgs style death screen?
>>747607193I've seen a lot of people defend Other M. You should have posted Federation Force.
>>747617501>>747617638Raven Beak posting was a lot of fun
>>747618526Did it? I don't really remember dying in that game
>>747607193Feel free to seethe and dial 8
>>747615612>to the point where even gaming journalists are able to noticeThat is an accomplishment. I guess even they don't want games made around DSP.
>>747618903>>747618526https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux5D_sFzv7A
>>747608961Diggernaut in Samus Returns was one of the most fun boss fights in a game ive ever had, loved it.
>>747607193Don't know if it was already mentioned but this.
>>747608521This take is funny when you consider that people like Moviebob and Dobson praised it for being le feminist.
>>747620153>DobsonThe same dingus who insists that green-haired samus is the only canon and is pissed off she's blonde?
>>747620153>games turns samus into a mewling crying idiot who will let herself be nearly killed several times for the approval of her barely-foster "father" and spends the entire game sucking his dick to the point the entire postgame is about her retrieving his helmet as a keepsake, once again putting her life in jeopardy on a ship set to self-destruct>Moviebob, Son of Dob, and others proclaim the game is some kind of female empowerment and an icon of the feminist movement
>>747620674>who will let herself be nearly killed several times for the approval of her barely-foster "father" inb4 um ackshually no actually it was mistranslated>the japanese varia suit scene is her letting herself nearly be killed out of petulant tantrum because she's fighting with her daddy-figurewow this changes everything
Anyone else notice that there's absolutely no mention or hint of the Chozo in Other M? Samus even says Adam is the only parent she's ever known. Fuck you, Old Bird and Grey Voice, I guess.
>>747620803Holy fuck that's even worse.
>>747620674>Samus is emotional. >Women are emotional. >Therefore feminist. IIRC that actually was Moviebob's reasoning kek.
>>747613609>agrees with other m's characterization of her instead of her being a silent cold badass like primefags think she should be
>>747621085I don't think she was cold in the Prime games,where's you get that from?
>>747620809Sakamoto wanted to downplay the Chozo, despite possibly even inventing those characters. It's pretty clear in his mind, the Chozo were on their way out and Samus, Metroids and Motherbrain were their legacy. I believe shit like "Chozo can't even breed they're so old, they can't even fly" comes from the manga.Raven Beak was a blessing because someone who clearly wasn't Sakamoto was questioning why the fuck Metroid story pins the Chozo as a big deal but then Sakamoto decides to glaze the fuck out of Mother Brain, the objectively least interesting villain in the series.If you read the Manga, the Chozo basically kneel before a boring Not-HAL 9000 practically instantly and Mother Brain starts preaching her bullshit about how SHE actually genetically modified Samus into the strongest warrior making Samus her daughter. This is why Other M has such a weird thing going with MB. Raven Beak replaces that needlessly pointless bullshit by fleshing out the Chozo and giving her Bird Dad.
>>747609041All points I thought the game was shit, especially:>Using missiles turns you into a stationary target with slow aiming, charging, and lock-on.Holy shit this. Its the worst goddamn thing.
>>747607193Contrarians did pretend to like it
>>747621389honestly i think wrapping the whole setting around the chozo was a mistake as well, just not as egregious of one
>>747621562No I enjoy that, Chozo were born out of the endless speculation of the Space Jockey before Prometheus ruined that.It's just that, Mother Brain without more backstory just isn't interesting enough to be Samus's "mother". The best Sakamoto could do is make her go "I was made to run the technological network of zebes but I've concluded I'm superior to my creators and so are the space pirates so I am their ruler".It was dull and nonsensical, how are the pirates stronger than the Chozo? Why are you doing this? At least we know what motivated Raven Beak.
>>747621780Didn't the manga explain it by Mother Brain saying she's decided that it's survival of the strongest and she's destined to rule and control the galaxy? If anything Raven Beak saw her as a rival and would have either destroyed or forced her back into subservience, if there wasn't a war between him and his troops against Mother Brain and the Space Pirates.
>>747621562Now that the Metroids are gone and Samus is the lone Metroid, they're going to have to have some kind of focal point for the series. Or else it'll just turn into 'Samus and her aimless wanderings, where she gets lured to a planet and does dumb stuff' every game. Which sadly looks like is the next game. I hope there's more to it than just "I need to feed and escape." They'll probably pull the same thing that she was lured there by the Chozo or Space Pirates or something to try and get her DNA and revive the Metroids. I just hope this isn't every game from now on.
>>747615441>Kraid>RidleyThey weren't in Tourian. Only Tourian blew up in Metroid 1/ZM. Ridley died permanently in Super.>Mother BrainShe's an AI. She had a backup
>>747621936There's that Mawkin general and his troops who need to be dealt with and look like will be appearing in Ravenous. The Ninjas likely lured or tracked Samus to ambush and devour her.. The Space Pirates are no more after everything between Metroid 1 and Fusion.
>>747622343>They weren't in Tourian. Only Tourian blew up in Metroid 1/ZM. All of Zebes blows up in Super and they still come back in a later game.>Ridley died permanently in Super.He shows back up in Fusion, albeit in a frozen state. It implies he was alive because he needed to be kept frozen. But also the X was able to infect him. But also, we already have seen him "die" and come back multiple times. Plus the whole mess in Other M.Basically, the games writers just bring back stuff on a whim. Death is meaningless in Metroid.
>>747622739That was the clone from MOM. Ridley as himself died for good in Super, and Samus devoured the last remnant of his existence in fusion.
>>747622739Fusion has Ridley's frozen corpse which is revived by the X-parasite. It's not that he didn't die, it's literally a possessed corpse.
>>747620058I'm surprised Capcom isn't remaking this one, at least yet. Like, surely a complete dud entry in an otherwise mostly good franchise would be a prime candidate for being revised into something better.
>>747623074that's not the purpose of a AAA remake, it's to take something with existing fans and existing name-value so it hopefully sells more
>>747623452I thought it was to cling to copyright like a greedy wizened mummy
>>7476229541. There shouldn't be a corpse if his corpse was blown to smithereens by Samus and then to molecules when Zebes blew up Super.2. The X seem to leave a body when it dies. Though I guess they also turn the crew members into zombies so who knows how it actually works.>b-but Ridley comes back in Other MWhich got made after Fusion. The point is, the developers don't think about it as much as we do and just bring them back on a whim.
>>747610950The reason they have to cut parts of it off is because she's in a coma so the suit didn't deactivate like it normally doesFucking Crystal Spark shows that her suit isn't a normal suit and that's in Super
>>747625409Crystal Flash*, even
>>747608975>Metroid 2>TerribleHell no. It's at worst in the major problems tier. The reality is it's a perfectly serviceable Metroid game for the gameboy.
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>>747626860The fun part tha ACfag ignores about the story when he's pretending to someone else hyping Other M is that the JP playerbase had the same complaints about it as the western playerbase
>>747627021part that*
>REMEMBAH ME?Still so fucking funny that the player is expected to know someone who didn't exist before this game
>>747629128its like that one rick and morty episode
>>747607193No I've seen contrarians and shitposters try to say Other M was good by using Prime 4 as their basis.There's always going to be faggots who do this regardless.
>>747607193
>>747607193> Other MSakamoto used this game as a vehicle to smuggle in his poorly written porno that he hamfistedly shoved into whatever counts as the subtext in this piece of shit game. Pic related is literally better than that shit.>>747608521> poorly portrayedftfy
>>747612229Sensemove was fun enough in practice. For me, only the retarded cutscenes stopped Other M from being a fine game.
>>747614384Phenomenally based.
>>747612540Nah, if there's one thing I like about metroid is that dead characters stay dead. The only exception is Super and that's probably because it was a soft remake. ridley appears only in two games. he dies for good in Super, in fusion his corpse is absorbed by the Xs and goodbye ridley.Ridley in returns is to throw a bone to prime, as sais by others, but also to show how he survived 1 and returns for 3. i'll agree it was pointless fanservice but it was cool.dread kraid is all but stated to be another member of its species.
Killed the strategy games in your path.
>>747611674You left out the best part. He wanted that control scheme because "limitations breed creativity". He was very retarded like that.
>>747615612>>747618978wolverine is next level>gps line guiding you towards the objective>optional second gps line in case the first wasn't visible enough>third gps line guiding you towards secret rooms>if the gps line goes off screen a marker appears to remind you of where it is>secret chests glow through walls>yellow paint everywhereAnd all of this for a linear hack n slash game with no real platforming.
I never understood why Metroid of all things, which is directly inspired by a movie, has a "fanbase" that is so vehemently opposed to having any story. Then again, I ever understood why clout chasing retards oppose story in video games in the first place. Being a boring asshole doesn't make you look cool.
>>747615149"Story driven" solo game full of QTE that would have been outdated 10 years ago.Astronomical budget, in development for years hence why it's so dated on release.Would need to be one of the best selling games of the year to break even while being platform-exclusive.Culture warriors are mad that the writers upped the "lol Wolverie and Sabertooth gayyyyy" dynamic that had been a meme in the comics for ages.It's another case of an overbudgeted solo game that's going to flop badly because all these huge solo games were in the conception phase 7 years ago and by the time they are complete, it's far too late and all the identified market trends they were based on are outdatedIt's going to be outsold by the next friendslop game that goes viral after someone plays it oon twitch.
>>747633861Wonder if things got lost within the dev cycle's overhead, because I'm thinking that the industry is hellbent on making games that look like each and every parody /v/ has ever made of a late 7th gen game UI.
>>747636743Publishers want to sell to normies.Devs assume - correctly - that normies do not have the necessary ability to understand anything that is not told to them explicitly.
>>747623530That's true for Disney because their catalog goes back far enough to have to deal with public domain. Video games aren't old enough for that yet.
Name the best metroid rom hacks
>>747617241>Prime 4 below Federation ForceWas it really that bad?
Metroid should’ve gone the way of Uncharted or The Last of Us. The classic Metroid formula is old, tired and has been done better by its contemporaries like Silksong, or any FPS game, really.A slow, walk and talk story-based third-person over-the-shoulder Metroid game would do gangbusters for Nintendo.
>>747638542Super Metriod Justin Bailey
>>747613128The only Ono stuff I don't consider canon is Space Revenge. But Erosuit Samus X and Zero Gravity are a big yes
>>747633861Streamers truly have been the worst thing to happen to video games. All of this is to make sure they never lose momentum during the stream so the energy stays high for chat, since those are your commercials and reviews now.
>>747616310the gba games should be a tier higher each but otherwise good ranking
>>747612473Great game>>747612580Faggot
>>747607193You don't (you) unless I say sohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHYWuMEbC8Q
>>747608532Starfield's fine idkplayed like 70h
>>747652302Groovy!
>>747609168>So bad it actually killed its seriesNot quite, because it was a failed attempt to revive its series without the necessary license. Don't get me wrong, though, it's exhibit B of why Motomu Toriyama is one of the worst writers in the industry.
>>747609129>>747609429This was a thing in Japanese development at the time. See them instructing Vanille's VA to squeak like a guinea pig any time her character did anything in Final Fantasy XIII.
>>747633312>he dies for good in SuperHe comes back in Other M and many other games. It's sad when people try to defend stuff so hard they make excuses and even ignore the thing they're defending.
>>747607193Gameplay was fucked up on purpose and the story was passable in japanese and made atrocious in translation
>>747610093Hard disagree. I blame Other M for normalizing giving Samus a shitty beauty mark. That meme needs to go. I make it a missions to delete it of any (fan)art I find.
>>747607193game sucks but Samus was hot in it
>>747654316Of course she was, Team Ninja worked on it.
>>747654401I wish they kept Samus' visual design going forward it was the one thing about Other M that was not a failure, I actually liked the beauty mark and big ass
>>747654651she had a big ass?maybe I should play it
>>747653478His clone is in Other M, and that clone gets absorbed by an X-parasite which is then absorbed by Samus. After that he's 100% gone.
>>747654787not a big ass in the sense of a ghetto booty, but it's nice and not flat like the Metroid Ravenous one
>>747655187>>747654787
>>747654839>characters who die stay dead>except when they're clones>or alternates>or revivals>or a dozen other exceptions
>>747607193i agree with most of the problems people have with this game, but i still had fun with it.
>>747655187>>747655284nice
>>747654651>shitty beauty mark>oily ass hairShe looked much better in Brawl and the GBA games.
>>747655581Been a thing for decades with popular characters. Eventually they stop killing them or finally leave them dead, the latter being what happened with Ridley.
>>747655581You may want to look up the definition of "exception"
>>747655758I liked the beauty mark
>>747638542Zero Mission Zero Suit, Galactic Marine, Metroid X Fusion
>>747655758>I was known for shoving my thumb up Adam's ass during briefingZAMN, so THAT'S how the Federation operates??
>>747655784>Eventually they stop killing them or finally leave them deadThey've been killing Superman longer than Ridley's existed and yet Death and Return of Superman is still rehashed every few years.
>>747656178Gotta shake everything up then reboot to try something different every so often.
>>747609147The control scheme's shite. 3D movement, D-Pad only because of Sakamoto autism demanding that the Wiimote be used alone.
>>747613838>Lockpicking animations in 2000s stealth games
>>747656665>Other M forces 3D movement with a dpad>SR and Dread force 2D movement with an analog stickWhat is it with recent Metroid games and retarded control schemes?
>>747658307Sakamoto is one of those guys who loves to be subversive. I mean, his other IP are all about being weird for the sake of weird. And trying to push things others aren't doing. It works for WarioWare and stuff. But Metroid needs to refine itself. Not reinvent itself every game.That said, 2D movement with a joystick is fine. Many games have done it. It's the other way that it becomes a problem. And even then, you can do 3D movement with a D pad. It just wasn't done well in Other M.
>>747658307What's wrong with using the stick for 2D movement, especially when it lets you aim in 360 degrees?
>>747658826>>747659251>t. mercurcysteam employees
>>747659394¡Hola! Por favor, compra Metroid Ravenous.
>>747659394That's not an answer.
>>747659394>only MercuryStream does itTons of fighters and action games have been using the joystick for movement in 2D since the PS1 era. You may not like it, but I was just pointing out how it exists.Very few games do the other way around because it doesn't work well.
>>747659714>pic unrelated
Will Ravenous reveal that the Mawkin tribe were the ones behind the Federation group that tried to resurrect metroids?
>>747659840Are you an idiot or are you just trying to deflect? Either way, you're not "winning" any argument.
>>747660008there is no argument to be had, you're just a retard
>>747660094So it was deflection. Got it.
The game that shall not be mentionedthe other game that shall not be mentionedThe RTS that shall not be mentionedThe Gothic game that doesn't exist>>747608253I never played Other M long enough to compare it really. It is understated how shit original Metroid 2 is for being limited by the hardware, but you could also say that it was still pretty good for a GB action game.The main issue with Samus Return is that A2MR exists which shits all over it.>>747608521The very idea is hilarious, it sure pisses off coomers and feminists
>>747608975>he didn't play the best nor the worst>Federation Forces nor Pinball
>>747608521They hated him for he spoke the truth.
>>747608253You mean MP4 right?
>>747621918Yeah she just randomly fucking pulls world domination out of her non-existent ass and never even has your standard "my logic is is the inevitable conclusion" speech all great rogue AI characters have.Raven Beak is better, he is a part of chozo culture that was implied from the start. He explains why the "peaceful Chozo" would just randomly give a human orphan their technology and bio-enhancement. It works better and doesn't feel like it just wants to throw away the Chozo to focus on Motherbrain.There are SO many better ways to do Motherbrain than make her "Samus's mother who thinks gay space Lobsters are just NEAT".
>>747609147I'm sure enough time and games have passed where the concept of a "3D" scroller metroidvania could be revisited, seems to be something the audience could be interested in, given Other M has mostly exited the public consciousness in favor of new games.
>>747615604what the fuck is this webm.we already that know Samus is physically incapable of crawling because her nipples always get sore from sliding against the ground, that's why she turns into a ball
>>747664819Mother also got angry that the Chozo decided to make Samus the bearer of their legacy instead of her, their actual most advanced creation.
>>747655187Samus is one of the few viyda waifus where I only think about her eyes and hair in terms of her body appeal, which are really only for signaling an effeminate wearer is in the armor. I wouldn't care if she was anorexic, athletic, or obese, I just like armored power suit women.
>>747661207>It is understated how shit original Metroid 2 is for being limited by the hardwareIt's arguably the best game hardware wise on the original GB. That or Mario Land 2. And I definitely prefer Metroid 2.>The main issue with Samus Return is that A2MR exists which shits all over it.The main issue with Samus Returns is teleporters, counters, some of the worst level design in the series and you have to come back to all the areas near the end of the game because of purple doors blocking your progress. It's basically all the flaws Dread had but 10x worse. And it doesn't have the solid Samus movement and bosses Dread had.
Imagine if Mercury Steam were told to remake Super Metroid and make sure it ran on a Switch 1. Holy shit my money.
>>747664930That's basically what Dread is. It's a 3D game but you move in 2D. A lot of the other ideas Other M had were also reused. Like counters and QTEs. People just accept them in Samus Returns and Dread because they're not as shit.
>>747666318There's a glitch in Dread where you can make Samus face the camera and run to get a speed booster charge.
>>747666268Now you can't get 50% of the upgrades until the end of the game. And there's doors blocking every sequence break, to force you down the linear corridors they want you to go down. Also cutscenes everywhere. And Samus has a mental breakdown when Ridley appears.
If they wanted Beyond to be true open world, they could have easily done it while also having the major areas be separate sections.>hub area is huge and has different biomes that become more pronounced as you approach the "dungeons">filled with resources and enemies that serve as threats and also the source of more resources>Samus' ship is the center point where you can save, refill health and ammo, and develop upgrades>the major areas are where you get the major weapon and system upgrades (Ice Beam, Gravity Suit, etc) along with expansions, with the hub area having more expansions>you use your beams and bombs and other systems to collect materials to upgrade your systems, rarer and more advanced materials and stronger enemies require upgraded systems>each upgrade adds more effects: base Missile tracks and does concussive damage, mkII adds a drill tip for armor-piercing and removal, mkIII adds Seeker Missile capacity; Grapple Beam starts as it normally is and gets the Corruption GB properties with upgrades
>>747666467Why would MS emulate Ninja Theory?
>>747666783All of those things besides Samus freaking out over Ridley were issues in Samus Returns/Dread.
>>7476088963rd birthday is such shit.
Other M had a live action trailer that had a really hot girl in a latex zero suit so its good in my book
I thought it was fine, but that's probably because I picked it up new for $5 at a Five Below. It must have sold like shit, because Nintendo never discounts their games; nor would they give brand new copies to a discount store...
>>747666136>arguably the best game hardware wisewhat does this even meanthe game is heavily limited by being extremely zoomed in and enemies being stuck outside the screen. Metroid 1 is far more enjoyable to play>>747666268yeah imagine remaking a perfectly fine game just so they can make it worse
>>747665106Which is stupid because she was the one who enhanced her secretly in the manga.I swear the only good thing about the Manga was Space Link and Space DK being Samus's comrades under Space Mario.
>>747666904Weird, then why are there so many Dread sequence break videos?
>>747667002>what does this even mean>the game is heavily limited by being extremely zoomed inThis is why the game and Mario Land 2 has bigger sprites and better details than most GB games. The zoomed in screen and movement is even worse in Mario Land 2. But yet people totally overlook it in that game and then hate on Metroid 2.>and enemies being stuck outside the screen.I have no idea what you're talking about here. This is an issue in many games, even on the NES and SNES. Hell, Metroid 1 has enemies that appear on the opposite side of the screen if you move a certain way, just like Zelda 2 does. I don't remember any of that happening in Metroid 2. The Gamma and Omega Metroids actually have the opposite problem, getting stuck to the edge of the screen so they won't go off the screen and out of your view. Most other enemies just act like normal enemies. Except maybe that one automated gun that can only be found in one room in the whole game.
>>747607193the cope with other M is that the translation into English and English VAing is garbageand both are true, to be honest. It's just that it has more problems than just that
>>747667451did we even play the same game?Samus (2) can jump the size of the screen and enemies are way more dexterous and bigger than anything in Mario Land. The moment the an enemy leaves the screen it pops out of existence. You have virtually no room to dodge so most bosses are just tanking hits and killing it before it kills you.Many older games have enemies pop out, but its usually less of an issue and they often still move. Metroid 1 is far less problematic in this regard
>>747669332>Samus (2) can jump the size of the screenShe can do this in a lot of Metroid games. You just think it's a problem because of the smaller view of where to jump. I get it. But it's not really a big issue because>You have virtually no room to dodge so most bosses are just tanking hits and killing it before it kills you.By your own statement, you get to tank a lot of hits. Metroid 2 is not that hard of a game and very generous with energy. Unlike Metroid 1.>The moment the an enemy leaves the screen it pops out of existence. Again, I don't know where you're getting this from. Some enemies have set paths. They go off screen but don't get deleted from system memory. The most basic enemies like the flying bugs and the pancake floating enemies are the biggest example of this. They will go off screen but still follow their movement paths. On the flip side, Metroids will often stay on screen chasing you. As you already complained about. But this is to your advantage as you keep seeing them and can aim at them.>Many older games have enemies pop out, but its usually less of an issueIt's far more of an issue in games like Zelda 2 and Metroid 2 where the enemies leave the screen and pop up on the other side. Or respawn after moving more than a screen away.Fun fact. Metroid 2 also has an exploit where, after taking damage, you can perform an additional jump. In any situation. Even if you're in air. So you actually WANT to get hit by enemies so you can use it to alter your trajectory/momentum in air. Not to mention speed runners use it to reach areas faster (sequence breaking) and shave multiple minutes off their time.
>>747667167I'm sure you can sequence break a little. I know of at least two places I found in my own playthrough. But you're not going to be able to use sequence breaking to get a lot of the upgrades as they're locked behind things that need the final beam, gravity suit and power bombs. Which you get basically 90% through the game. The power bombs are literally right under the final boss and Adam tells you to rush and beat him. But if you want to get the other 30% of the items you were locked from getting, you then have to stop and run back through every area of the game again to get them. And that number goes up to like 45% if you were being efficient and waited until you also had the beam and gravity suit. Since you get them all in the span of like 20 minutes before the end of the game.This means 45% of the upgrades are locked until the end of the game. Same issue in Samus Returns. Except it's even worse in that game. There's also like 10 items locked until you get the baby metroid and you have to make yet ANOTHER special trip to get those, before running to fight Ridley.
>>747616186Giving it less than a 7 is basically online reviewers telling the people too illiterate to read that it's time to abandon ship.
>>747672507A 7 is basically "it's shit but we have to keep the score above 5 because we got paid for the review."
>>747608896Worst taste I ever seen on this board. You a fool, nigga!
