sometimes I'm glad companies don't listen to gamers
Didn't enjoy remake, didn't buy rebirth, didn't even watch the trailer for the third one.
>>747607243Imagine if back in the day fans told Sony Playstation to not make Ps1 since CDs are expensive and 3d graphics are ugly.
>>747608196Same. I played the PS1 game and remake back to back, the remake is so fucking tedious dude
I find it pretty funny that after seeing the trailers and playing the available demo, I am absolutely HUPED for Final Fantasy Resonance, and feel nothing but indifference towards 7 revelations, I’m not even remotely considering playing it, but I’m absolutely buying Resonance when it comes out.
>>747609157fans of what
I thought EC's combat system was more fun than Remake's.
>>747607243This would have absolutely been a better game
>>747608196>but chudda
>>747609157I legitimately got an N64 instead of PS1 because every Sony electronic from walkmans to stereos to radios to cd players had stopped working within 1 year of owning it, and it already made me start hating the CD format. What do you mean if I get a tiny scratch on my game, I might not be able to play it anymore? FUCK that. And then it had these insanely, insufferably long loading times. The big benefit people were I guess happy with was god awful FMV cutscenes that were blurry as fuck and added nothing whatsoever to the gameplay, and redbook audio which quite often sounded great but a lot of the time you just want a video game to have bleeps and bloops, that's why FF7 is one of the best PS1 games because it went with synth audio instead of CD audio.
kill all turd based sissies
>>747607243the combat kinda grew on me but it would be better if it was turn based IMO
>>747609946Same, except I've already preordered Resonance. I haven't been paying attention to the FF7 remake games at all after I saw gameplay clips of the first one.
>>747609946>>747611407Paid shills
>>747610764If Rebirth and action/hybrid gameplay are so good, why did turn-based DQ XI sell over 7 million more copies than Rebirth?
>>747611464>secret Squenix civil war where the turn based faction battles the action faction in covert shill offsKino. Trust the plan, turn based bros.
don't reply to me schizo
>>747608196Based
pic rel was perfect and way better than the parryslop they started putting out
>>747611464>These people are definitely paid marketers trying to sell you one product from a company while also shitting on another product from the same companyhmmm
>>747609946>>747610457I'm pleasantly surprised, I usually don't like HD-2D but Resonance is the best looking variation of it I've seen. I still would prefer it with Remake style graphics though.
>>747612016Unironically true. If they had carried on with the FF12 combat model on modern hardware, they could have done the natural evolution and let us have many more characters active at once time. Manage 9+ characters fighting in formation against small swarms of enemies, semi-automatically controlled by Gambit In-Thens.It'd be just like my favorite Dungeon Siege 1.
>>747612016>>747612486this but with 10 combat
>>747610487no it wouldn't, it would be another XIII and you would be complaining too
>>747612486Last Remnant?
>>747612884the famous turn based videogame XIII
>>747611407The only reason I haven’t done the same is because I have a personal policy against pre-ordering in general, I just don’t like to do it, but the demo ABSOLUTELY convinced me to buy it when it comes out.
>>747612969yeah let's pretend we don't know what we are talking about in a FF threadkys
>>747612016I want another game with XIII's system + character switching.
>>747612960C'mon, let's kick some ayy.But in real time.
>>747613003I usually feel the same, but most games don't come with a five hour long demo, they expect you to preorder on faith. I'm not sure what else I could see after release that would change my mind on buying without reading spoilers.
>>747608196Many such cases.
>>747610457It's better at first but like every phone game it starts feeling like nothing once everything gets streamlined and the mechanics start to matter less.
>>747613112>it would be another XIIIelaborate
>>747613289what diversity shit is this
>>747613303Oh yeah totally, I completely respect your decision anon, but im just gonna stick to my guns to remain consistent and wait for release.On a slightly different note the moment I realized this game was something special was one particular moment when I traveled to the upper plateau area of the desert continent, and suddenly ran into the dhorme chimera from ff5 and it proceeded to DESTROY me with aqua breath, on THAT moment all I could think was: “THIS GAME IS AWESOME!”
>>747614098it would be the same core, all characters can do everything with a 3D graphics and you can't move around in battle.
I thought that Remake was kinda cool.Then Rebirth got me extremely bored and I quit midway, glad that I pirated it, I had a feeling it was gonna be shit.Now I'm completely disinterested in Reunion or whatever the third entry is named.
>>747614187ok? I didn't complain about that aspect of XIII, and I never complained about that in any other turn based videogame I've played either.
>>747609946I'm a huge fan of FF14 and I almost feel bad that I don't care about Resonance at all. It just feels like nostalgia baiting for games I never played. I imagine this is how zoomer Pokemon fans feel about the FRLG re-release on switch.
>>747608196>Didn't enjoy remakeI pirated it, played a few hours of it, dropped it, and uninstalled it.>didn't buy rebirthI didn't bother pirating it.>didn't even watch the trailer for the third oneThis.
>>747608196blessed
>>747614282>ok?why would they do that again? ff remake combat is very solid for a action jrpg like.
>>747608196p-please care about the third one...
>>747614320Hey don’t worry, not everyone was there for the old school final fantasy craze, and turn based rpgs aren’t really for everyone, if a game ain’t your cup of tea it ain’t your cup of tea, there is nothing wrong with that, but I for one was very impressed with the demo and felt there was some genuine love and respect for the series’s roots.
>>747614158It's your future, you can't stop it.
>>747614423because turn based games are good and popular?>ff remake combat is very solid for a action jrpg like.ok? I prefer turn based games. the combat not being turn based was one of the biggest reasons for me to not purchase those games
The issues with the FF7 Remake series have nothing to do with it not being turn based. It being turn based would be of no consequence one way or the other.
>>747608196ah! as it is with me
>>747613432Yea, but it held my attention a lot longer than Remake's combat system. Also the rest of EC was just a lot more enjoyable than Remake imho.
>>747611634Because Dragon Quest is a lot stronger brand in Japan than Final Fantasy is.
>>747608196Holy samefag replies Batman.
>>747609946this except I'm never give SE money again
Never touched a FF game in my life, pirated remake/rebirth recently. Remake wasn't very good, but rebirth was pretty good. Don't care about any of the autistic screeching by people who have some weird obsession with a 30 year old game, gonna buy the last one and enjoy that too
>>747609946Same.>Played OG only up to Rufus fight>Played through Remake>Get bored of 15 min. of drawn out dialogue that could be said in 2 sentences>Get to third act, activate all cheats, fast forward every cutscenes>Swear off all the remakes after thatI got a decently far into 12 until I met a literal wall constantly pushing my shit in. I don't think FF is for me, except I was liking FF 13, and I am just going to stick with SMT.
>>747614653this is a modified Silent Hill 2 remake post
>>747608196Thank you chudder.
>>747614640Fair, I REALLY can’t blame you for already losing faith in them.
>>747614653he's boutedening
>>747614565yeah no
>>747614569I fail to see your point, you like turn based games, what that has to do with a remake? If you just want FF7 with better graphics just play the OG with mods, there's even voice actor mods.Why would they bother to remake their most famous title if it would be another moded edition?That's my point, you guys just want a realistic FF7 turn based, that would be just another FF13-like again, there's no reason to remake something like that
>>747612016Gambit chads win again
>>747614717I have no idea what this word means
>>747609157CDs were cheap, but 3d graphics were definitely ugly back then. It was basically a novelty at the time that we knew would improve to pc graphics standards in a few generations
Its embarrassing for me that the games I want to play next year are all remakes/reimaginings. FF7 Revelation, Resident Evil Code Veronica Remake, Tomb Raider Legacy of Atlantis, Silent Hill 1 Remake and Fable.
>>747614760I hate to break it to you, but the ffvii remake is the ffxiii of this generation. it's over
>>747614569It's all geared towards adhd kids.I was watching the new Ghost in the Shell series recently, it's just redoing the first film. Which is fine.But it's got some weird adhd zoomer shit going on where everything is happening at a retarded pace and nothing is allowed to sit for a second.It's fucking bizzare to witness in everything now.
>>747614830the industry is so dead
>>747614813don't worry about it, just don't forget to come here and report about the blast you'll have when you play it
>>747614760>there's no reason to remake something like thatthe reason is I would be more likely to purchase it, and as it is I'm not interested in purchasing it>that would be just another FF13-like againyou phrase it as if there's something inherently wrong with thatthough honestly I didn't want them to remake anything. I am pissed that the X/XIII team is stuck making remakes of already made games instead of something new.
>>747610487Unless they also decided to not split the game into 3 parts then no. Combat in the Remake series is one of the few actually good parts about it, and while a good turn-based battle system could have potentially been better, it wouldn't have matter if the remake still has its bloat and shitty pacing due to being divided into 3 parts.
>>747614830The only game I want to play next year is Chinese.
>>747608196Are you samefagging, because barely anybody agrees with you?
>>747607243Turn based is out of date and I'm glad that gaming has moved on.
>>747615013Are you really going to use a 'best sellers' list when it also has Wolverine right there?
>>747608196>>747609358>>747610457Remake took me years to beat but now that I've beaten it and the original and started playing Rebirth, yeah, it literally fixed everything.Well, besides the difficulty I guess. You can fix it yourself with the custom enemy difficulty settings mod.The combat system in Remake was poorly thought and rushed out but everything flows so well in Rebirth now that they've fixed it.I say this as a turn-BASED fan. The FF Resonance demo is already better than this remake.
>>747608196Based beyond relief.
The combat is the least of FF7r's problems. I love turn based, but I'm no purist. It has its place. In my mind I would've preferred to see them iterate, sure, but I think the action combat is pretty good for what it is. Not a complaint (i have many) I'd levy towards FF7R at all.
>>747615179I don't hate the action combat, it's just kinda shit with the stagger mechanic on top.The bloat though...
>>747607243Same
>>747608196You lost, turn-based jeet.
>>747612016This is just pure dogshit. There's barely any special attack skill commands, all you're inputting are magic spells and items AND then they also put the gambit system to make sure you're barely doing anything anymore. What it's good at is the amount of content, the variety of side quests, the hunts, the world of Ivalice itself.
>>747607243Gamers won, whiny TB manbabies lost.It feels good. :)))))
>>747612486>semi-automatically controlledlmao
>>747615538:)))))
>>747607243Turn based combat would turn the already long as fuck Rebirth (80 hours/110+ hours for 100%) to an extremely longer slog than it already is. You guys are retarded.
Playing the Resonance demo rn, its pretty fuckin good
>>747615621Did the check bounce for Wolverine then? Be consistent faggot.
>>747615625No it wouldn't. This isn't a mod. If the devs were designing a turn based game they'd adjust encounter design to ensure the runtime doesn't go longer than that, you retard.
>>747615625Oh no, they might have to cut out all the bullshit bloat that pads playtime. The horror!
>>747615693Yeah that's why Persona isn't 80 hours long huh retard faggot
>>747615538>the washington past
>>747615743Persona 5 is a similar length to FF7 Rebirth, retarded nigger.
>>747615689cope, he got you there
>>747615625Rebirth is more like 150+ to 100%. Has basically nothing to do with combat design, however. It's that long because of ubitowers and chadley collectathons. And awful navigation in places like Gongaga
>>747615318>it's just kinda shit with the stagger mechanic on topSomeone didn't read his skills. If you take away the stagger mechanic you would just be spamming the highest damaging skill over and over again. It would have no depth at all and would just be a basic hack and slash game.It's like why everyone is copying souls games. Rolling/parrying gives their game another mechanic to play with.
>>747615819Did. The. Check. Bounce. Faggot.
>>747614537A game for everyone is a game for noone
>>747615538>>747615621Jeetificiation of memes, huh
>>747614320>FRLG re-release>a re-release>not even a remake or anythingNo, that would be Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.
>>747615939No, instead it's been boiled down to managing the stagger and then blowing your load to capitalise.There's a ton of ways to avoid the spam. Prohibitive MP costs, reduced ATB generation for spam, reduced damage from consecutive uses etc. Hell, add basic bitch cooldowns if you want.The stagger mechanic in its implementation defined the rest. It is quite literally the central point that everything else then revolved around.
>>747616160EXACTLY!
>>747616490Yeah, FF16 is what you get with that
>>747614320>XIVfag hasn't played any other FF gameslmao
>>747614947>Combat in the Remake series is one of the few actually good parts about itNo, you're wrong, shut the fuck up. It's shit.
Never played FF7. I liked 3-5 though. Played the remake until I realized they broke it apart into however many FF7 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. FF IX-ii was enough
>>747608196>Still bought the first demakeYou will always be a shit-eating gamer, sorry!
>>747616746>I liked the worst games in the franchise though
>>747616601You're a fucking retard.I know big numbers after stagger made you feel good, but it's shit design in action combat.It wasn't good in AC6 either.
>>747607243turn based RPG mod for the remakes when?
>>747607243HEAR ME OUT!It's NOT too late for them to add turn-based combat once they compile all 3 FFVII Remake games into one package!!! LET SQUARE ENIX KNOW!!!!
>>747616854No I actually use the "Remove damage and healing numbers during fights" mod along with enemy x3 HP and x1.3 ATK (x1.6) mod.
>>747608196>third oneI still can't get over that, holy shit.
>>747612016The real forbidden knowledge is that FFXII is a CRPG.
>>747617113>wasn't on PC>C
>>747616978That doesn't change anything relevant.Big number on screen and big chunk of HP bar are the fucking same thing. And even at 3x HP, you're still playing for those chunks.I've already called you a retard, you don't need to make me repeat it.
>>747617207Cool bro you won you called me a retard like how everyone else here calls everyone retards, retard.
>>747616953People keep asking for this but it's not like an episodic game. They're full games with their own dev cycles, progression, and mechanics.
>>747616601FFXVI combat was built around stagger too
>>747609358>tediousMaybe behindThe horrible multiverse overplotThe censorship/alterationsThe actionslop combatThe sidequest bloat
>>747617339Remove it and balance the health pools to account for it and it would functionally be the same. It has basic bitch cooldowns and shit.
>>747612016I enjoyed fucking with Gambits so the game plays/grinds itself or setting it up for different bosses etc to see if you can kill them without playing the game but it's a very shit system to play a whole game with
>>747607243FF4-FF9 were not fucking turn-based. Turn-based implies that when it's your "turn", nobody else gets to go. That's not the case with ATB.
>>747617548CTB was so great because it took all the benefits of ATB combat and removed the jank
>>747617190Anon...Consoles are a type of computer...
>>747617548
>>747617267I'm going to let you take that exit.>>747617504Really? That's the bit you focussed on? Not the fact that I even listed a variety of other ways to avoid the spam?A non-exhaustive list that can be used in concert at that.Nope, they mentioned cooldowns, let's focus on that.
>>747617683>akhshually
>>747614320>It just feels like nostalgia baiting for games I never playedWhich is hilarious cause that is what 90% of XIV and you never realized
>>747617907It's not like WoW players ever gave a fuck about Warcraft either. It's typical MMO crowd shit.
>>747617787>akshuallys somebody>gets akshually'd backWatch yourself, stranger.
>>747617720You dont know what that setting does. And even if you instantly open the menu to stop enemy command queing, its still pretty gay have to wait for a bar to fill up.
>>747617297>People keep asking for this but it's not like an episodic game.It doesn't need to? Why is that automatically restrictive?
>>747608196White.>>747607243Brown.
Is the most important trailer, the announcement date trailer, above 500k views yet? Lmao dead on arrival.
>>747608196but i did
>>747615013>barely outselling SlopverineAt this rate it won't see a million units sold on launc
>>747608196thats about what i did too. thankfully i got the first ff7remake as a gift so i didnt feel disappointed i bought it
>747617548Brown meltdown.
>>747609157>CDs are expensiveThis has literally never been the case, zoomer. Not even for a millisecond in the history of electronics.
>>747616645Oh, I played FF16. I thought it was horrible. Turned me off all other mainline single-player entries in the franchise.
>>747608196I don't even think I've seen the trailer for the second one
>>747608196>t.
>>747608196remake was ok not amazing but okRebirth is open world busy work trash, borderline a ubisoft game if they made a JRPGhave 0 interest in the 3rd one at all
>>747607243>look at how much party control we could have had>no it is better when the world's worst CPU controls my characters instead so I can rollLet it never be said that nobody told Square Enix what the problem was.
>>747608196But chudda, the compilation influx will end!
>>747618983You don't have to do the side quests though. It's like calling 7 trash because you have to breed chocobos to get KOTR to beat the game
Turn-based isn't stimulating to the modern audience and Square Enix littetally can't pander to millennials forever. Turn-based doesn't sell.
>>747619204...said yoship, 2 months before BG3 released.
>>747619204
>>747619204Modern audience seems to like buying Persona a lot and that's fucking terrible. Meanwhile, 7R continues to not sell.
>>747619105You can switch to them whenever you want in real time.It's primarily a skill issue. It's like complaining about Tales of Arise that you can't keep your party alive. Guess what you can just micro them even on the highest difficulty with no items.
>>747619204>pander to millennialsThey better pander. They're the only ones who were Nintendoed by FF4-FF10 into thinking this series would stay good.
>>747614320How do you feel about all the nostalgia bait in 14 in general, because there is a ton of it. Do you just take them at face value, I'd imagine the SB raids were some of the most uninteresting moments in the game instead of the hypest, same with the WoL fight in SB.
>>747619250Holy turn BASED
>>747619204Should've gotten the chinks to make an FF hero shooter.
>>747619326And what, pray tell, happens to the character I am not playing after the switch?Sounds like you're having a skin issue.
>>747619392I bet the demographic for XIV is even older but they hilariously tried to pander to zoomers with a shitty cartoon shonen expansion
So when are we getting the real version of the remake with all the games combined into one?
>turn cringe combat
>>747619504They should still be out of the way, they barely move, the enemy targets the current active character 90% of the time, and it's even easier here than in Arise because the AI automatically tries to guard and you have synergy skills that teleport them to you.Fucking retard maybe easy mode is more your size.
>>747619250Meanwhile FFXVI can't even reach 5 million lol
>>747619204You would have a point if Pokemon wasn't more popular than ever with zoomers. But since it is, you have no point at all and you are gay and stupid.
Revelation is going to win GOTY 2027. Screenshot this post.
>>747619620That is a great CPU you're describing right there. You must the peak intellect among the FF7R fans.I'll go give my money to better games and you can keep damage controlling for your dead-on-arrival trash.
There's only one game on this list I enjoyed playing.
>>747619793
>>747619616
>>747609157>CDs are expensive>As opposed to cartridgesShut the fuck up you mongoloid
>>747619878Consider taking up a new hobby
>>747612016>noooo, my MMO-macro simulator was perfect!
>>747619904I said Revelation not Rebirth
>>747619461>How do you feel about all the nostalgia bait in 14 in general, because there is a ton of it. Do you just take them at face valueWhen it's done well, I typically don't notice. For example, I had no idea that Shadowbringers in general was a giant reference to a past FF game (8, I believe?) until some friends I was with while doing the Eden raids mentioned it to me. I didn't know that Sphene or Alexandria were FF9 references. When it's done poorly (the post-EW quests that are lazy FF4 ripoffs, Necron/Ennuo in the recent Dawntrail extremes, or the Ivalice/Jeuno alliance raids) it's very noticeable and very annoying.
>>747620113>>747619461The Ivalice references are a lot better because they're weaved into the lore, if you had no idea about FF Tactics you wouldn't even know it was a collab raid.Meanwhile the FFXI raid story is literally some rando seeing a vision of the game and deciding to advertise all the cool things in it to you with electricity magic. It fucking sucks.
>>747620036Yeah, we know.
>>747620113*And yeah, the fact that Elidibus turns into the "Warrior of Light" meant absolutely nothing to me. I had no idea what the fuck was going on or why it was relevant to the story, as far as I was aware Ardbert was the First's WoL and our WoL is the Source's WoL.
>>747620191>if you had no idea about FF Tactics you wouldn't even know it was a collab raid.No, it was very obvious that it was a collab raid.
>>747614614Faggot
Getting gaped by Wolverine. Lmao, just lmao.
>>747620113>>747620349Fair enough, were you a WoW refugee, what made you want to play 14 if you weren't a fan, or was it just said friend?
>>747620349>I had no idea what the fuck was going ondon't skip cutscenes next time>>747620426If you had never heard of Ivalice you would not be able to tell. Ivalice and concepts from those games are woven into the world of XIV, instead of being put in a weird collab dimension like XI and Nier
>>747610671No, the ps1 version of ff7 had cd audio. The pc version was synth.
>>747619250Turn-WHITE
>>747620508That makes sense because I had the PC version and a soundblaster card. There was no way I was gonna buy a literal Faggotstation
>>747620496Was bored during covid, saw there was an MMO that was getting really popular, thought I'd give it a shot >>747620503>don't skip cutscenes next timeI understand the *idea* behind Elidibus preying on the fears of people in the First to summon heroes. I saw no reason for the man himself to turn into a "Warrior of Light", especially since we just fought Emet-Selch who simply revealed his true form when it came time to throw hands. >If you had never heard of Ivalice you would not be able to tell I had never heard of Ivalice. It was clear immediately that this was a collab raid.
>>747620776the same thing you criticize Ivalice for is what you praise Dawntrail doing with FFIX.>I understand the *idea* behind Elidibus preying on the fears of people in the First to summon heroes. I saw no reason for the man himself to turn into a "Warrior of Light", especially since we just fought Emet-Selch who simply revealed his true form when it came time to throw hands. I apologize if I was a bit harsh in my wording. You basically have the right of it. The model being The FF1 Warrior of Light is just a fun callback, but its not vital to anything. Shadowbringers had a lot of FF1 references so it makes a bit of sense why its "final boss" would reference it. What's most important when it comes to the plot is what you described.
>>747619125True, but you typically do them at least once. Usually the first time round and skip them on any subsequent playthroughs.What percentage of people do you think replayed any of the remakes?Not very many. It's not like any of this shit is out of the way like master materias/KotR, it's all staggered to pad out each zone and tracked so you know you're missing something.How it was done made it wear out its welcome very quickly.And they've taken out any potential chocobo breeding has going forwards by introducing most of them through Rebirth. Hell, even the Sage used to be an out of the way thing you might not spot.For an 'open world' it's not very open when you cluster everything that way.
>>747620902the Dawntrail stuff doesn't have Steiner or Zidane that dont stick out like sore thumbs like Ramza does. I could see why someone thinks the Ivalice stuff you feel like a guest in a setting already doing its own thing, while cyber Alexandra is mostly just name references I dont know about the X.1> stuff though I stopped after DT's base
>>747615420>shipped
>>747621071this is ironic because Ivalice is weaved into the history of the source meanwhile Alexandria is literally shoved into the expansion from THE NINTH.and then meanwhile the Queen of Alexadria talks to you about soul science while literal FFIX music plays. even if you weren't aware of the copious amounts of "REMEMBER FFIX???" marketing that Dawntrail received you would feel something is off.
>>747621187I can't say with the music because I haven't been in a position where I don't know the music, and there is so much of it between sections that its already possible if you just don't know you don't know, Blue fields is the big one for me. with the ivalice it may be because it's weaved in that it feels like a sore thumb, it's presentation of legendary heroes with a clear party tells you that this is referencing something I don't know.
>>747621448did you feel similarly with the Crystal Tower story?
>>747614910>you phrase it as if there's something inherently wrong with thathe is saying there's no point in doing a "remake" if you are playing a copy of an old game and calling it a remakehe's right tho, if square chooses to redo the game as a REMAKE it needs to be fresh stuff, otherwise just go play the OG
>demake sissy threaddisgusting
>>747621638Square shouldn't be making remakes at alland there's no reason they couldn't use a new combat system that's still turn basedif that's what he meant he phrased it extremely poorly, given how FFXIII plays nothing like FF7
>>747621638If it's not the same game, it's a different game.We got FF7 The Snyder Cut instead of FF7.
>>747607243Based. Turn-based uncslop belongs in the dumpster bin of vidya history.
>>747621604It's been a long time since I did the CT story, but the way that it meshes the OCs into it leaving it with no place for characters that aren't oc's outside of villains, in a very basic NES rpg story with its base having very little nuance can look like it's own basic little thing. Xande I could see people thinking is his own thing if they can get past the Amano designs.
>>747621912I ask because its very similar to the Ivalice story, you have characters from the old games (Unei and Doga) interacting with XIV originals (NOAH)
>>747608196There's a trailer for the third one?
>>747621701>Square shouldn't be making remakes at allyeah but they are, the question is: would 1:1 be enough? I think it's dumb making the same game again just with better graphics
>>747622138>I think it's dumb making the same game again just with better graphics
>>747621980I don't remember them at all, but they do look like standard 14 NPCs, are they using the namesake of the wizards that Xande's master doesn't just fuck over as a joke?
Even if the remakes were turn-based they'd still be plagued with tons of fanfiction additions and metaverse shit that wasn't present in the original game. Turning everything in to a shared metaverse is a special kind of modern cancer.
>>747622205their appearances are different, but their role in the story is a direct reference to IIIIn fact you could say its more egregious in Ivalice since they actually play an important role in the plot whereas past Ramza is only really used in flashbacks and at the end of Orbonne Monastery
>>747622465*than in
>>747622465I'd have to take your word, the only NPCs I remember from 3 are Aria, Desch and Cid.
Don't care i preordered revelations and will buy it again on pc
>>747621992Multiple. It comes out in April.
>>747622738Are you being dumb or serious? It releases on all platforms same day.
>>747607243Yep.Turn-based is boring. Metaphor flopped for a reason.
>>747619878I only played e33 and botw. The rest don't interest me at all.
>>747608196I got 3 copies of FF7 Remake (the one that released during Covid) I cancelled my preorder and they sent the game anyway. I told them I cancelled it and they didn't refund me yet and they apologized. When no refund came through I called them and they said my "order was on its way" and wouldn't listen to me but a few days later I got the refund. During that time they sent another copy to my house and when I asked about the copies they sent they said my delivery will be delayed and then sent me another copy.By the way every customer representative was a jeet who could barely communicate in english and I was never charged for any game. I barely played the game, I got to the arena or Colosseum and beat up a house boss and just stopped playing.
>>747619204>Turn-based isn't stimulating to the modern audience and Square Enix littetally can't pander to millennials forever. Turn-based doesn't sell.I agree. Persona is only popular because it is a teeny dating sim. Metaphor flopped, because it is more combat focused and didn't have any romance.
>>747607243Why would anybody want this? Even Expedition 33 has a very strong emphasis on real-time dodging, parrying and jumping, because turn-based sloppa is repetitive and boring.I played Persona 5, but I never finished it and likely never will. It has a nice presentation and some cool story beats, but otherwise it is just boring as fuck, because the main activity (combat) just sucks.
>>747607243>>747608196>>747609358>>747611996>>747613340>>747614360>>747614390>>747614578>>747614709>Flawless deep combat >Great characters >Great story >Great art direction >Great OST>Waifus >Good graphics >Lots of content >Memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends This is a 10/10 game
>>747617113>FFXII is a CRPGThe general consensus among Jap is that the FF series started going downhill with FF13.SE is so stupid
>>747608196>Didn't enjoy remake, didn't buy rebirth, didn't even watch the trailer for the third onefaggot
>>747607243If the Remake Series were turn-based, then I would have most likely never played it. It seems crazy to me that these uncs just can't let go.
>>747608196
>>747626017You have to be an unc to even give a shit about FF7 to begin with
>>747607243This unironically would have made the FF7 remakes 10 times better. The shitty action/turn based hybrid they went for is fucking awful.
>>747611464>goes into a FF7 remake thread to shit on it and say it's badDumbass.
>thread can barely stay alive even with constant bait postsoof
>>747608196Same here, based Buddachud.
>>747607243You would have to be a nostalgia blinded contrarian retard to think FF7Rs combat should be replaced with turn based
Why do so many people on this board cry when a company doesn't cater to them? Especially turn based fags.
>>747608196>call it a remake>it's actually not a remake at allIt was that simple for me.
>>747626356Actually it's fun, unlike the combat in the original FF7
>>747626568>I hate JRPGsAnd your opinion is worthless because of it.
>>747626532Why did SE advertise it as a remake when it wasn't one?
>>747626415It's pretty much a consensus that the 7 Remakes are good games that have sold well, and now with Revelation coming out and all the previews being glowing the hate campaign is running on fumes
>>747607243>everyone hates Chadley>everyone hates Ubislop>everyone hates infinite checklists>everyone hates the bloat>Hamaguchi says there is no bloat>the game has only what it needs to have>adds even more checklist slop>there is a new female Chadley in addition to normal Chadley>literally double the Chadley, double the checklists>Bone Village, Chocobo Breeding, and submarine exploration were cut so that they could add more AAA choreslopAt this point, I'm worried that the actual game is only going to be 10% of the 200 hour runtime, and we have Final Fantasy: Remake:: Forever to look forward to now too.
>>747626603I enjoy a lot of JRPGs. The old FF games don't have good combat
>>747607243People gotta let this shit go, man, this is really pathetic at this point. Just accept it and move on.
>>747626612Because it's mostly a remake
for example
>>747614585This looks like some Kingdom Hearts, Persona Q "let's make all the characters act like retarded trope versions"-type writing
>>747626658Mostly isn't good enough. I'll just save my money for good remakes like Trails.
>>747626803>youtube review defended the shitty yellow paint with "I would've gotten lost if it wasn't there!"pathetic
>>747626732>"I'll just save my money for bottom of the barrel garbage"You do you anon, have fun.
>>747612549finally someone who gets it
>>747626847Thanks.You'll survive.
Can someone explain to me what is this obsession with turn based combat? I saw several threads of people complaining about that.
>>747607243I don't care about remake.
>>747624240Reminder that Persona 5 has sold over 10 million copies and is arguably the most successful JRPG ever made.
>>747626614>previews being glowingReally? Proof? All I've seen is criticism that they opted for the exact same shitty Ubisoft checklist side content gameplay that Rebirth got but somehow even worse.
>>747626618Actually they said they were going to make the side quest and collectables optional so in Revelations there's going to be no gameplay incentive to do the side content and no achievements tied to them either. The only thing they give you is cosmetics so if you want to ignore them you can. Now personally I think this is a really lazy bandaid solution since rather than making it so you don't have to engage with side content, maybe they should have just made the side content not shit.
>>747623294I want to finish it on ps5. And pc when I'm replaying
>>747627087I don't care.
>>747627087Boring
>>747607243FF7 is shit
>>747626950Real time combat requires you to actually time your attacks, dodges, parries and moving. It takes actual skill.While turn based is just a check for understanding and using the system and you can grind yourself to overcome pretty much anything bar gimmick optional super bosses
>>747617190https://store.steampowered.com/app/595520/FINAL_FANTASY_XII_THE_ZODIAC_AGE/???
>>747627254Sounds like one system is objectively better for RPGs then
>>747614607What the fuck kind of argument of that? Final Fantasy, especially Final Fantasy 7, is a much stronger brand worldwide. I don't know of you are aware of this but the rest of the world has a significantly higher population than some island nation.
>>747627087>"don't have to engage with the choreslop">"only cosmtics"I feel like all the FITS are going to be behind the choreslop, but I do think most people learned from Rebirth that they hate choreslop and if they play Revelation at all, they will just beeline through the 20 hour story and let the """fans""" revel in the additional 180 hours of chores.
>>747607243>jpgIt's been 30 years. The technical limitations of the 1980s and 1990s are a thing of the past. These fuckers need to finally just move on.
>>747617113>The real forbidden knowledge is that FFXII is a CRPG.It's not. It's literally just a more streamlined, single player version of FFXI's combat. The Quickenings even act like Skill Chains / Magic Bursts, but they really should have kept Skill Chains in instead.
>>747627287I like Tifa and Cloud's gameplay in Remake and Rebirth. Barret and Aerith's not so much. Red, Yuffie and Cait Sith are, Yuffie is pretty much Tifa and Cloud level in freedom of action.
>>747607243>sometimes I'm glad companies don't listen to gamersYeah, me too. It turns out most gamers are sniveling retards. Who knew?
>>747627557For me, I prefer Dante from DMC5's gameplay
>>747626950>Can someone explain to me what is this obsession with turn based combat?So first you must understand that there are people who do not play video games. They are loyal to brands and to IPs, but they do not play video games. These people who do not play video games stopped playing turn-based JRPGs with Final Fantasy XIII because that's when Final Fantasy stopped being turn-based. The only turn-based game they have played since then was E33. You might think I'm joking or making things up, but I'm not, it's really like this. And even though Square Enix themselves have made non-FF turn-based RPGs, because they are not literally named "Final Fantasy", the "fans" don't care about them. They don't play any other turn-based games either. So they feel like turn-based JRPGs stopped existing 20-25 years ago or however long that's been, even though that could not be further from the truth. Any so-called turn-based poster, you can just write them off as a complete retard who does not play video games at all.
>>747627825but that doesn't make any sense. if they didn't play games, then BG3 would not have sold as well as it did. not to mention that Octopath has been SE's most profitable IP this past decade.
>>747627880>if they didn't play games, then BG3 would not have sold as well as it did.BG3 primarily sold to zoomers and trannies who either wanted to be like their favorite streamer or who wanted to be able to choose their preferred pronouns and their preferred boobs and their preferred penis. There's also people who bought it for the meme bear sex or the prospect that they might be able to have sex with the characters, but all the characters are ugly. A smaller number of people actually have friends and played with them.
>>747619904Kek yeah someone was way too preoccupied and trigger happy about GOTY, but Rebirth did win over 50 GOTY awards in the end. Geoff giving his trophy to Sony for the not-Nintendo mascot game that's already been completely forgotten has aged extremely fucking poorly in hindsight, while a Rebirth or even Metaphor has aged better, what with the amount of mods and improvements that have been made since and deeply rewarding combat and relationship mechanics. Rebirth easily beats Metaphor at being a more impressive game although I did enjoy Metaphor and think it deserved to win best narrative. The story in Rebirth was just a summer vacation simulator for 50 hours before it dumps you out on a cliffhanger.
>>747627950but that doesn't check out either, because DOS2 wasn't that popular with streamers and had minimal character creation and romance and no memes, but it still sold 10 million copies. so you're missing something here.
>>747627992Ohhh, I see what's going on. You didn't read my post but you replied to it anyway. I'm talking about Final Fantasy fans. You're talking about something else. Just a word of advice, in a primarily text-based forum, you should read the text that you are replying to. It makes you seem less brown and saves everyone headaches in the long run.
>>747628041but you're post was about and responding to "turn based posters"
>>747628041>you should read the text that you are replying tono
>>747628041I'm the guy who originally asked the question, thanks for the detailed answer anon, it makes sense.
>>747628075>noUnderstood. Have a good day. >>747628102You're welcome. Thank you for reading the post.
>>747627825>These people who do not play video games stopped playing turn-based JRPGs with Final Fantasy XIII because that's when Final Fantasy stopped being turn-basedFinal Fantasy is ATB. X-2 was ATB, Final Fantasy XI was a form of ATB, Final Fantasy XII was another new form of ATB, Final Fantasy XIII was yet another new form of ATB. The only Final Fantasy games that were "turn based" were I-III, X, or something like Tactics.Lightning Returns was technically the first mainline numbered game to use a strictly action-RPG system, Type-0 was strictly a spinoff as well as other FF action titles. Then FFXV used a botched abortion from the Kingdom Hearts team as its action battle system and then FFVII Remake finally figured out how to make an action ATB system
>>747626950>company is failing>"hey, maybe you should adopt this combat model that is really popular and sells well">no>company continues failing>why does nobody like Final Fantasy anymore???
>>747628169>"uhm ackshually" the postNo one cares, tranny.
>>747627825>>747628169so how hard did you shit your pants when Resonance was announced
>>747628041FF peaked with FFX
>>747628241>FF peaked with FFVFixed
>>747628230I didn't.
>>747608196same
>>747628041So you acknowledge that turn based games sell really well and are popular but if you dare suggest that maybe Square Enix, a company that has been in decline for 15 years now, should maybe try it out again in their mainline series (and point out that their most profitable games in the past 10 years are pure turn based) you suddenly don't play games anymore. Did I get that right?
>>747628230>reheated mobile gameI sleep.
>>747628296>Did I get that right?No, you're still sperging out about a post you didn't read. The guy who asked the question thanked me for my post, so I'm going to stop replying to you now because you are attempting to have an argument with someone else, through me, about a post you still haven't read.
Why is Pokemon not treated like an rpg by anyone?
>>747628169ATB is still turnbased dumbass
>>747628396Because it inconveniently breaks the narrative.
>>747628362Ok, then I guess I'm not part of your mythical strawman of "people who don't play games". I fail to see the use of such an answer then since it doesn't really apply to anyone. I would love to have an actual conversation about this topic instead of whatever you are trying to do.
>>747628396Because it's redundant. Nobody buys Pokemon for the gameplay. Nobody.
SE still makes plenty of turn based games, I hope to see you in saga 3 threads anons.
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>>747628479yeah, and they're extremely low budget compared to their AAA action titles.and the funniest part is that despite that they still sell just about as well lol
>>747628479I'll be there, more excited for 3 since I actually emulated that one back in the day.
>>747608196Final Fantasy is gay so yeah same.
>>747626618I think that the story content and main dungeons and boss fights and major stuff like that are all going to be really high quality. So even though I'm worried about the UX being cluttered, the game being bloated with checklists, MAI never shutting up, the world not feeling very holistic or true-to-scale, shitty lighting and many other drawbacks, I'm also really looking forward to those disk 2 and 3 moments that are so extremely iconic in the original. I'm not going to pretend these aren't problems though because they are>>747628416The Active Time Battle system is a Command based battle system, I'm afraid. That's why FFIV is ATB, and FFXIII is also ATB. If you don't press anything, then the enemy will simply kill you. Because you do not have turns. Not turn based
>>747626717It do be like that sometimes. But it was a mobile game, so naturally you're going to have seasonal events like that or the "let's send the first soldier people into halloween land" whateverness with shallow writing just to get people through to the grinding.
>>747628458It was one of my first games and I still did.
>>747628479I haven't played any Saga game except the remaster (not remake) of 2, and then I guess I played Unlimited Saga because I bought it, but it didn't come with a manual and I didn't feel like GameFAQs'ing it, so I didn't know how to rest or camp or heal or whatever it is that the select button apparently does, and the inability to heal combined with the biblically accurate angel combat just turned me off too much to even finish 1 route.
>>747607243There's so much wrong with those games that making them turn-based wouldn't save them.For both remake and rebirth, I think the easiest way to make them good, is to make them highly polished linear action games, and forget about the rpg side of things because that's only holding them back.
>>747626717>"let's make all the characters act like retarded trope versions"That's already how they act in the Remakes.
When I was a kid, I thought FF would be the turn based RPG series, and Kingdom Hearts would be the Action RPG series. This really made sense to me, it seemed like a very smart system.Given that KH is still selling really well and has popularity while FF is floundering in the dust, I think the problem is brand expectations rather than pure system arguments. People want FF to be turn based, and KH to be action.
>>747608196Yep
>>747607243If you suck at games, then just play with "Streamlined Progression" settings, which is essentially super easy mode. Then you can literally spam square and win everything, just like in the original.
>>747628551To be fair, some of them did have wait(as an option toggle IIRC), so all you had to do was enter a menu and nothing would happen. But yeah, you still had to at least press once or twice to get to a menu.
>>747628686>posts Rufus while suggesting attack spam for remakeTricky, tricky, you sadistic bastard.
>>747628708Eh, the option that forces enemies to wait until after you've left the item menu to attack you again is no more turn based than FFVII Remakes "real time with pause" mechanic, and wait is not an option in several games, like FFXIII for example.Personally, I know what combat system I'd like to keep playing in future AAA level RPGs. Even Clair Obscur put the real time action mechanics front and center
>>747628551Can you stop using one character to do an action with another character in any order you want? No? Then it's turn based. Turn based has always been about what you can do with you own party. Not the enemy.
>>747628607Totally agree. I've only played most of FF7R part 1 and the daytime side-quest chapters were the worst fucking thing by far. All of the characters were horrible, the quests were boring as fuck and designed to be tedious (the first side quest forces you to sidle through garbage TWICE), and it being daytime completely misses the very on-the-nose metaphor of Midgar and ruins the sunrise when the party escapes. Just all around obscenely dumb and bad.
>>747628863the rhythym game aspect of combat was the worst part of e33personally, I'm excited for Divinity. the devs have proven extremely competent at creating good turn based combat, and for their new game they promise an "evolved turn based combat" system
>>747628965CRPG turn based combat is fucking garbage. Just poorman's tactics JRPG combat but worse in every conceivable way.
Zoomer, alpha and soon gen beta dont give a shit about FF7 so what is Square gonna do for the next decade when this shit is over? Like how the fuck does Kingdom Hearts have a higher younger demographic when that shit is like one story splintered across way more games for over a decade
>>747629120not Larian combat. their lead combat designer is a FF Tactics addict so that explains why their combat is so good
>>747619250>Aggressively overhyped by western journofaggots, championed as THE game that matches or outdoes JRPGs>"Total TB victory mah sistahs!LolLmao even
>>747628872>Can you stop using one character to do an action with another characterSometimes yes. ATB bars build independently from one another and yes you can indeed pass or push your Command over to someone else as long as they have a full ATB bar they will immediately get the action. In something like Final Fantasy VIII or Final Fantasy IV for example, you can press a button and swap to the next party member without using the ATB bar.It's called Active Time Battle for a reason, it's a Command based system. FFX is turn based, X-2 is not>>747628965BG3 had some fun moments with all of the systems. I enjoyed the battle system in Trails Chapter 1 where it's a hybrid of beat em up and turn based on a grid-like combat arena, where you are incentivized to move and position your character in just the right way before executing the commands. I'd like to see something like that in an FF game
>>747629178Retard
>>747628169>>747628551>>747629202I don't think you have a slightest bit of understanding of what turn based means. It has nothing to do with time or sequence. It's entirely based on how you do your actions. If your combat involves selecting moves from a menu then it's turn based because you're taking a turn to act and there's nothing else you do beyond acting in a turns. Every single FF up to 15 is turn based. FF7R is not turn based because it has full action combat so even if you can also select moves it's not how you engage with the game.
Don't care, not buying it.make it 4 niggas in a row or don't even try and @ me.
>>747629353>If your combat involves selecting moves from a menu then it's turn basedIs Final Fantasy XIII turn based?
>>747629212Faggot
Command based =/= turn based
>>747629385Yes. The only one I could maybe argue isn't is 12 because of it's weird system but that's the only grey area. Anyone that claims ATB isn't turn based is a fucking retard.
>>747629431Poor, poor little shitposter
>>747629479>y-you're a shitposterShut the fuck up zoomer.
>getting mad because he can't understand the difference between a Command based system and a turn based system>calling other people retarded
>>747608196this kek
>>747607243TB simpletons are easily the most retarded and obnoxious "gamers" I have ever seen.Square Enix doesn't make AAA turn-based games, because they simply wouldn't be profitable. Final Fantasy was turn-based until 2015 and it almost destroyed the company. They probably wouldn't even exist anymore if not for Final Fantasy XIV (which obviously isn't turn-based either).
>>747607243This dude is going to cry a river when Final Fantasy XVII is unveiled.
>>747629605Whoa hold on anon, you just claimed that FFXIV's Command based ATB system isn't turn based. Are you some sort of fucking retarded zoomer? Don't you know that ATB = turn based? Lol.
>>747608196>one word responsesYou always make your samefagging way too obvious, Jimbo.
>>747608196I bought all 3
>>747608196Loved Remake, loved Rebirth even more, hyped for Revelation. Wouldn't miss it for the world.
Final Fantasy XVII will flop, assuming it's the FF7R development team. The gameplay/design/pacing in the FF7R series is dogshit and is carried by the legacy of the OG FF7.
>>747629605Rebirth and FFXVI sold poorly too so action isnt working out either
>>747608196sameonly thing the remake gave the world was new 3D fap material
>>747615621>ok chatgpt take this AI sloppa meme and make my enemy into the bad guy and make my ecelebrity the good guyMore embarrassing than you'll ever know
>>747629552>making up fake terms to draw an arbitrary line in the sand like when everyone considers ATB to be turn basedSo not only are you retarded you're also a schizo. Great.
>>747629605When your HD2D turn based game that looks like you slapped it together in a week sells the same as your super awesome action game that you've been developing for 8 years, isn't that kind of embarrassing?
>>747629202Nigger, just stop. Nobody dwells on Attack/Magic/Item menu long enough for enemy to attack. More often than not, the enemy attacks you while your bar is half way up. As soon as your menu pops up, people either quickly choose attack and have their attack animation play out instantly or go to any kind of ability menu while ATB is set to Wait by default. This effectively makes ATB turn-based while all you can do is keep regurgitating the same autistic technicality like it makes all the difference. It does not, never did, never will.>>747627825Riddle me this, why couldn't all those disposable IPs be test beds for usual SE experiments while FF remains pure?
Why can't people accept that turnbased is shit and repetitive?If Final Fantasy hadn't had decent stories I would have dropped this series long ago.
>>747629814Source?
>>747629961Why can't people accept that turnbased is great and everyone else loves it despite you being a whiny crybaby faggot?
>>747629918>Nobody dwells on Attack/Magic/Item menu long enough for enemy to attack. More often than not, the enemy attacks you while your bar is half way up. As soon as your menu pops up, people either quickly choose attack and have their attack animation play out instantlyperhaps unrelated to the argument, but isn't this proof that combat design is too easy? a good RPG should have you thinking and changing strategies every so often
>>747630023Play your first SMT game then come back to me.
>>747607243The combat is by far the best part of these games
>>747630050sorry, I'm not talking about animation speed, but specifically the player choice. obviously, when the player has made his choice of what he wants to do, you might as well show that as fast as you can, but if combat choice is so meaningless you don't even have to think about your moves that's bad combat design
>>747630116See>>747630050
>>747630185I've already played SMT 1, 3, 4, and 5
>>747630023You're planning between actions as ATB builds and adjusting that plan based on circumstance.And since games in general are made to be completed by retards to make them feel good, the time this shows best is superbosses and extra content.
>>747629178PS5 is only owned by browns, so this isn't a surprise.
Who cares? It's all obsolete slop for thurdies.
>>747629893>>747629918>noooooo ATB is actually turn based in my mind so please stop challenging me with your nuanceFFXIII is not a turn based game, it's ATB. Technically it was called "Command Synergy Battle". It's right there in the title, the system is a Command based system, not a turn based system. In a Command based system, you can likely issue two Commands back to back before your enemy can even issue one Command, once your Speed stat is high enough. You can slow your enemies Speed stat down, lessening the amount of Commands they can issue. This is fundamentally no longer just a turn based system. It's active. The active timer during gameplay transforms the act of "taking a turn" and it's no longer the same thing.Get upset about this reality all you want to, throw insults, cope however you must. FFX is turn based. FFX-2 is not. Tactics is turn based. XIII is not. Here's some required reading for you so you can begin to understand the difference between a turn based system and a Command based onehttps://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X_battle_systemhttps://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Command_Synergy_Battle
>>747630214Obvious to anyone with basic observation skills, were you hoping someone would disagre?
>>747607243Now make the environment actually have colour, undo all the story changes, and put Tifa in her proper clothes. Game fixed.
>>747607243>Stick with the limitations from 30 years agoI don't think so
>>747623428>Metaphor flopped for a reason.brown MC and zero romance for party members
>>747630232Nobody but autistic retards like you make this distinction. Everyone considers ATB to just be a flavour of turn based. There's a reason 15 and 16 were considered betrayers of the turn based routes but nobody says the same for ATB. Because everyone considers ATB and more traditional full turn based combat to be one in the same.>Get upset about this reality all you want to, throw insults, cope however you must. Projection. You're clearly the upset one here.
>>747630306I was hoping that a PS5 owner would read my post and feel bad.
>>747629895You just made this shit up.
>>747630313>LimitationAction games existed in 1997.
>>747630382Octopath Traveler sales is around 3 million
>>747630382He's right though Octopath Traveler sold as much as 16 did People who say turn based isn't popular are coping so hard it's unreal. Never mind giants like Persona 5 that have surpassed 10 million beating any action game SE has ever made.
>>747630339>There's a reason 15 and 16 were considered betrayers of the turn based routes but nobody says the same for ATB.>Because everyone considers ATB and more traditional full turn based combat to be one in the same.I don't care what you consider and your emotional reaction to being told that there's a difference between Command based and Turn based is all I need to hear. Absolute clownSee >>747627825 where anon blames FFXIII (not FFXII, mind you) for not being turn based despite the fact that X-2 and XI and XIII were all equally not turn based
>>747630023I'll take your chain of thought to its logical extreme: If a game doesn't require sub-second timed inputs to progress then it can not be a hard game. Why? Because internet. Even something like SMT can be made easy by looking up cheese builds day 1 on websites like PowerPyx or Game8. Is it a problem? No. Why? Because you dont play jarpigs for gameplay in the first place.
>>747630434And that anon is a moron. What's your point? Anyone who isn't a brainless idiot could tell you that XIII is turn based. ATB is turn based and everyone considers it to be turn based. Cope.
>>747629605>Square Enix doesn't make AAA turn-based games, because they simply wouldn't be profitableAAA Turn-based games is the niche Final Fantasy occupies. Even the old games that today are called ugly were, at the time, exactly that. FFVII was the most expensive game ever made at it's time.If they can't make it be profitable when they are THE franchise for this, they might as well let it die, use the name for the MMO as a money laundering scheme and produce Kingdom Hearts exclusively.
>>747630480>durrrrrrrrr NOBODY ever says (thing)>"here's an anon in this thread that said (thing)>DURRRRR HE'S RETARDED>DURRRR AUTISTIC>DURRRRR
>>747630467difficulty in an action game is not the same as difficulty in an rpg. by your logic, its impossible for a puzzle game to be hard because you can look up the answer online. and that's ok, because nobody plays puzzle games for the puzzles anyway.thats not my position at all. I think an RPG has good difficulty if an average player has to put thought and effort into strategy and tactics, both in combat and in character building. looking up guides is irrelevant in the same way people using cheat codes to beat action games are irrelevant: its not what we're concerned with.
>>747630550YOU are saying it's not turn based so why would you think "here's one example" is a good argument? Do you think 1 retard and 2 retards is much difference? Whether there's 1, 2 or 3 retards makes no difference. The point is the majority. If you don't consider ATB to be turn based you are the exception. Not the rule.Cope.
>rtwp is turn based because uhh you can pause
>atb is turn based because uhhh you can pause
>>747630232Just stop. You're latching on a distinction that makes no functional difference.>once your Speed stat is high enoughWhich organically NEVER FUCKING HAPPENS until end-game by which point you're likely sporting some flavour of auto-haste effect either.>You can slow your enemies Speed stat downNobody in their right mind uses Slow on random encounters. If an enemy takes 2x attack commands to dispatch then nobody is going to do 1x slow followed by 2x attack just to prove your autistic point.
>>747630716>no functional differenceAyo the FF shitposter thinks there's no functional difference between FFX, FFX-2 or FFXIIIs battle systemsAnd he has the gal to call other people retarded or autistic
>>747609946I'm only interested in it because I want to see Aerith fags meltdown when they realize their waifu is staying dead.
>>747630675atb is turn based because it plays the exact same. If how you engage with the game is the same then there's no reason to make a distinction. Which is why normal healthy brains that don't have crippling autism don't feel the need to make the distinction.
>>747607243Honestly, how retarded do you have to be to prefer turn-based? That is just low budget slop. I couldn't even finish Persona, it was so fucking boring.
FFX proved that you can capture the appeal of an ATB system, a more impactful speed stat, in a pure turn based system, and it works just fine.
>>747630584This may not be your concern but is sure feels like it's a concern for everyone else.
The pedantic arguments you retards get into is actually astonishing. This board needs to be studied by human beings.
>>747608196holy hecking based
>>747630873Reminds me of the rogue like/roguelite semantics arguments.
>>747630832>durrrrr you're not a normal healthy person if you make a distinction between FFXs battle system and FFX-2s battle systemSomeone is not a normal, healthy person
>>747630902They are different. Just like FF1 is different from FF2 or FF3. But that is not a difference between turn based and ATB. Retard.
>>747630862no? I don't think anyone is concerned about the opinion of someone who cheats to win a game. I don't think anyone is concerned with the opinion of people who think its impossible for puzzle games to be difficult.any form of difficulty or even interaction can be nullified if the player is determined enough. should we just stop making video games?
>>747607243Turn based trannies are mentally ill
>>747630675It's turn based because it operates on a turn order.
>>747630821If you can't tell why someone would consider FF1-13(MMOs don't count) to be all flavors of the same thing but consider 15 and 16 to be different you genuinely have no right to an opinion and you shouldn't even reply to this post because you're just objectively wrong.
>>747630961nice try troon. Everyone know trannies are obsessed with ARPGs like dark souls
>>747630902>if these games are even slightly different then they need to be categorized as a different genreDo you have any self awareness to realize how unbelievably fucking stupid that sounds? Every game is different. That has no bearing on the argument.
>>747630624>durrrrrrrr, the majority doesn't know or can't tell the difference!!!!>this means you're wrong if you can tell the difference!!!!!When did this website become completely inundated with retarded normalfaggot retards that can't handle any kind of detail or nuance?>>747630948>But that is not a difference between turn based and ATBIt literally is the difference, because X-2 was ATB while X was turn based. You literally have never played FFX-2. And you're really, really fucking confident in how wrong you are. Imagine being so loud and so low information at the same time>>747630997I'm the person who said that FFIV and FFXIII are the same flavor mate, you're boxing with shadows. But keep getting madder and madder because someone knows that FFX was turn based while most of the other games are ATB.>>747631071They have a different battle system. I never said they are a different genre. Why are you turn based fags all so deranged about ATB at the same time, exactly?
>>747630954Game developers and sweatlords should definitely stop judging game's entertainment value based on how hard their ass is getting kicked in the process.
>>747631123You're the autistic sperg who insist that ATB is so much different than turn-based. No one else cares if they are different or not.
>>747631123>Why are you turn based fags all so deranged about ATB at the same time, exactly?Why are you projecting? The only one who is deranged here is you. Everyone else considers turn based and ATB to be the same thing. You are the one who is having a mental breakdown at people daring to lump SHITTY TURN BASED TRASH in with ATB. Everyone else just considers them the same thing. Nobody but you is upset at them being lumped together.
>>747630841Their games for low iq people who struggle with having to think on the fly.
>>747608196Remake sucked.Rebirth is the single greatest action RPG ever. Revelation will probably be better.
>>747631147thankfully that's not what anyone is talking about. there is a middle ground between so easy you can mash attack to win and I wanna be the boshy. obviously.
>"there's a difference between turn based and ATB systems">"NOOOOO YOU'RE A FUCKING RETARD YOU'RE MELTING DOWN"
I'm playing through remake for the first time atm. The only thing that I really hate about the combat is the fact that every enemy on the screen just focuses the played character, so you spend half the time dodging or blocking. Makes for a very unfun experience.
>>747631186Revelation will be better because it will actually have proper aggro management which will allow me to play it as a turn-based game.
>>747616746>FFIX-iiWhat?
>>747631182>Everyone else just considers them the same thing.NTA but they are both flavours of turn based systems, but they aren't the same thing if you're being strict with your definitions.
the semantics argument is useless because nobody is (or should) argue that FF should be turn based because of historical precedent. they should make turn based games because they are popular, sell well, and exemplify what makes RPGs appealing to gamers.whether or not FF was a "turn based" or "ATB" series is irrelevant. what is relevant is that it was an RPG series.
>>747631221Unfortunately, JRPGs in particular are designed more and more towards the retards and they file away any friction they might face to give them a 'smooth modern experience'.
>>747630850Too bad FFX's endgame consists of maxing out Tidus, Wakka, and Rikku's sphere grids while every other character is left to rot.
>>747631235>every enemy on the screen just focuses the played characterThat's supposed to incentivize you to switch characters. I bet you just sit on Cloud forever and get mad when you can't walk through the game. My 8 year old nephew played the same way
>>747608196based. I still have the OG 3 CD release with 4th FF8 Intro demo disc.Fuck that remake shit.
>>747631183*they're, nice fucking self-own.
>>747631292...and that's a bad thing. obviously.>>747631293yes, FFX's endgame is one of its most disappointing aspects, unfortunately.I think even the small change of removing the true damage cap of 99,999 would help a lot, as it would let characters like Auron shine more.
>>747630232My ATB chad, I respect you fighting to make people recognize the truth. Unfrotunately, they will never ever learn. It's unironically like trying to tell someone the difference between a WRPG and a CRPG, who can only see the world in "JRPGs" and "Not JRPGs"
>>747617113>>747612016Yes FFXII is the only Japanese crpg made unless someone could name another one
>>747631123>It literally is the difference, because X-2 was ATB while X was turn based.The ATB is a turn based system. The active time part of the system just means when you get to take your turn is dynamic, i.e. active, compared to how the NES system worked where you put your commands in all at once, hit go, and speed determined the order. They both uses turns ATB just determines when you take those turns differently and you can even miss your chance to take your turn entirely.
>>747631226A petty technical distinction that makes no functional difference.
>>747631261Obviously they're different. Just as there's a difference between FF1 and Persona. Every game is different Should we subdivide every game ever into it's own category?. That's a completely redundant point. If how you engage with the combat remains the same then for all intents and purposes they are considered the same. Which is why nobody else draws this distinction between turn based and ATB. Nobody but that autistic dumbass cares.
>>747631307I swap characters often enough. But it doesnt matter 'cause the enemies just drop what they are doing and run you down not matter what.
>>747631352Resorting to samefagging now I see?
>>747631418Prime example of why they'll never learn. Anyone coming out to agree simply MUST be samefagging.
>>747631186You'd love Far Cry and Assassin's Creed
>>747631261Also as>>747631375 said I was being charitable to that anon and even giving him the benefit of the doubt to even consider them different but ATB is still turn based by definition.
>>747608196literally medropped the firstgame i dont know where
RTWP is better than either system and I'm tired of pretending that it's not.
>>747608196i didn't watch anything for any of them except the time ghosts and was so disappointed that THIS was the BIG HUGE LIFE CHANGING FF7 "REMAKE" we were all waiting forever since then i've been so happy seeing this shit flop
>>747631351Yes, it is a bad thing. So now you're stuck with an easy action game as your RPG.
>>747608196I dislike soijaks, but good post is good post.Best way to deal with games you don't like is to not let it live rent free in your head. The more you even shit on it, the more you let it control you.Yeah, if its an issue you can actually affect then do something about it. But being angry at games you don't buy, play, or even care about is waste of time. You could sit down and stare at wall and be more productive.(Fun fact, if you want to be productive in creative manner, get bored. Actually bored. Turn off your pc and phone and let your mind wander)
>>747631450myes, very convincing.
>>747631481Even CRPGs recognized that as trash and abandoned it.
>>747631418>>747631538Funny how he talks in the exact same pretentious manner and thinks people wouldn't recognize it.
>>747631525which is why you should make RPGs that actually focus on what people like about RPGs, and build difficulty into those aspects, as many other RPGs have done.what are we even talking about atp? you replied to me at first like you disagreed but you seem to be agreeing with everything I said.
>>747631287>whether or not FF was a "turn based" or "ATB" series is irrelevant. what is relevant is that it was an RPG series.On that, we agree. I'm not bringing up ATB or Command based systems to say that it's a massive distinction of importance, or that turn based is bad or something. I'm simply pointing to the reality. The reality that not everyone agrees on what "turn based" even means. Many people consider the death of turn based FF to have occurred with FFXII. Some say it was FFXIII. Some say FFXIV or FFXV.The reality is less black and white than many in this thread are trying to portray it>>747631352They're so fucking mad about this simple conversation, they are now throwing samefag accusations. That's how you know they're upset. Over what? IDK really. People should just say "yeah ATB or command based is technically different from turn based, and games like Chrono Trigger or Parasite Eve aren't really turn based like some people imagine">>747631405Why are you still mad about simple distinctions in battle systems? You really think someone is arguing that FF games have their own unique combat systems? Did you know that many of the games even have unique names for their combat systems? Do you know what FFXII's combat system is called? Would you ever claim that FFXII and FFX aren't different enough to warrant drawing distinctions?Are you going to keep getting mad about FF battle systems all night?
>>747631572I'm not the one who samefags though.
>>747631539Yeah, and now crpgs are dead, great job.
>>747631539>it's trash because it confuses meWhatever you say, braindead turn-based retard.
>>747631481RTWP is the worse of both worlds.
>>747631589>*You really think someone is arguing that FF games that have their own unique combat systems are actually a different genre*
Been paying witches on Etsy to make sure Revelations will flop, thus making the entire remake trilogy a flop and forcing Squenix to be bought out by the Saudi's
>>747631601>now crpgs are deadBG3 sold five gorillion copies.
>>747631539This would explain why the CRPG genre died again.
>>747631589I am a turn based purist and hate the direction the series has taken, but I will say that I agree with you. I think you can see the first steps of their mindset in IV. If you think about it, ATB only exists for the same reasons you always hear about why they need to go action "speeding up combat" "making things more exciting, etc.". Which is why FFX was so impressive to me, as it took ATB principles and applied it to a turn based format, which worked very well.Its undeniable that there's a difference in "feeling" between an ATB game like VII, a turn based game with reaction elements like E33, and a Dragon Quest game.
>>747631578I'd rather play a piss easy turn based system than some dog shit easy action game.We can argue all day about where the difficulty should be, it's what we get that's the problem.And turn based was one of those things that got filed off because a certain set of people detest it, so we have the worst of all worlds.
>>747608196This. Remake was ass. SE is dead.
>>747631675>one game>which is actually just a porno for furry fagsOk. What else?
>>747631645>Conceding this hardtook you long enough
>>747631539Yeah that was actually a mistake and if Baldurs Gate 3 had rtwp combat like DAO or, yknow, Baldurs Gate 1+2, I think it could have been even more of a success. One of the most popular mods for that game was to switch the camera and controls so that it would look and feel like controlling DAO.
>>747631675Wow, one whole game, definitely a healthy genre.
>>747631759It's the one game that put in it enough effort. There's a bunch of CRPG trash that gets ignored for being low quality slop.
>>747631639Filtered.
>>747607243Is the turn-based crowd still crying? For 10 years straight even. loooooooooooool
>>747631758I doubt that. Turn based mods are the most popular mods in every rtwp game, to the point that it was added officially to both Pathfinder and Pillars of Eternity. Meanwhile the BG3 rtwp mod is a niche side project and nobody is even asking for one for Rogue Trader
>>747631589As a long time FF fan I straight up don't like ATB and think it's inferior to pure turn based since the real time aspect fundamentally adds nothing to combat. Grandia is the only good example of it. But ATB still involves taking turns so it's turn based. It's really as simple as that. XII isn't turn based because you don't take turns. They are fundamentally the exact same battle system. If you want to split ATB from turn based then you can just as easily spit something like FF1-3 from something like Kiseki that allows you to physically move characters around to aim skills for AOE placement. It's a redundant distinction and you getting this mad at people lumping them together is not healthy. Why do you care? Why do you want ATB to be considered separate? What grand difference do you think exists between the 2?
The problem with the games is the shitlennial cringe writing and cutscenes and the fact FF7 is 3 generations divorced from people who would give a shit about it to begin with. The combat is whatever, its still flopping with turn based or not
>>747608196Just because it isn't turn-based?Turn-based boomers truly are retarded.
>>747631758Every RTWP game has a mod to make it full turn based. Everyone prefers turn based. I've genuinely never met anyone that actually liked RTWP.
>>747631681Yeah it's having its biggest renaissance in decades but it's totally dead because you're traumatized by internet memes
>>747631923>shipped
>>747631714>Its undeniable that there's a difference in "feeling" between an ATB game like VII, a turn based game with reaction elements like E33, and a Dragon Quest game.Yes, very true. And it's undeniable that a game like FFXIII or a game like FFX are fundamentally different from each other in major ways and it all has to do with the battle system and how it functions. One is turn based, one is active time battle. You would never claim that Persona 5 and Final Fantasy X have the same battle system or that the differences don't matter despite both being turn based, just like you'd never claim that FFXII and FFXIII have the same battle system or that differences don't matter despite being ATB.>>747631727Nobody ever claimed that having a different battle system meant it was a different genre. Molehill, meet mountain. You're sperging out really, really badly over someone pointing out the subtle distinctions between a Command based and a turn based combat system while doubling down.>>747631828>>747631942>it's extremely easy to make an active game turn based>it's significantly more difficult to make a turn based game activeNo shit?
>>747631923Mogged by turn based baguettes after decades of hype btw>>747619250
>>747631725>just a porno for furry fagsYou would get that impression if you only visited reddit and resetera.BG3 was friendslop for normies. And it was fun to play it as that.
>>747631907Taking turns means everyone waits until someone has had their turn. ATB has anyone go in any order once they're ready to take an action with, at most, everyone waiting for an attack animation to finish to avoid shit being confusing by having actions overlap.
>>747631942>I've genuinely never met anyone that actually liked RTWP.Because you live in a brown country, Ranjeet.
>>747631801Anon, it falls completely apart after the first act, they had to staple it together with multiple patches.
>>747632016Please stop trying to get these people to understand what ATB is. They refuse. It's turn based. Don't you get it? Stop being so autistic and retarded. Don't you know everyone says it doesn't matter?
>>747632016>ATB has anyone go in any order once they're ready to take an action withAny one goes once their turn is ready, but in a turn-based fashion. It's not just attack animations that don't overlap, it's any action. There is never overlap. So actions come in...turns.
>>747631996E33 isn't even turn-based, Kumar. It has a very strong emphasis on real-time dodging and parrying.
>>747631983>it's extremely easy to make an active game turn based>it's significantly more difficult to make a turn based game activeyou're missing the most important part, which is lack of demand.nobody is asking for a rtwp option for Rogue Trader, nobody is shedding tears that Owlcat is not making rtwp games anymore, and Owlcat is a company who markets almost exclusively to grognards.
>>747624406Cloud is boring though
>>747631907>But ATB still involves taking turns so it's turn based>XII isn't turn based because you don't take turnsYou do know XII is ATB underneath it all, right?ATB can be summed up as>you can take a turn every X amount of time>everything has a different value of X based on its speed stat or equivalent and modifiersBut XII is still ATB at its base layer.
>>747632068It's called a Command
>>747632016No taking turns means you act in a turn. You can't spam attacks or inputs. You do one action when it's your turn and wait until the next turn and you can't do anything outside of your turn. It's turn based.
>>747632043Act II is still okay, Act III is shit
>>747631923>shippedOH NONONO
>>747632112ATB can be summed up as>you can issue a Command every X amount of time>everything has a different value of X based on its speed stat or equivalent and modifiersFixed that for you
>>747632043>they had to staple it together with multiple patches.tbf this applies to every single game released in the past 15 years (outside of RE games)
>>747631923>202310+ million by now. That is why SE is making new FF7R games.>>747608196You are brown and you smell, tb troon.
>>747632112XII does not involve you selecting actions on a turn. It's not turn based. XII is not ATB.
>>747632118ATB is Command based.>>747632172>XII is not ATB.What is wrong with you people? It literally has "Active" in the name of the battle system.https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XII_battle_system
>>747632114It's irrelevant what you call it. The commands being issued still never overlap with other commands, they come in turns, because it's a turn based system.
>>747632123Act III is fun. I loved exploring the city. I think it would have been improved if the level cap wasn't so low though.
>>747632207You're literally just argument semantics at this point while ignoring the fundamental facts. This is pathetic.
>>747632207>ATB is Command based.You're an idiot.
>>747608196Same>>747614614Eat a dick
>>747632172XII is literally ATB under the Gambit layer.>>747632153Pedantic autism.
>>747632118>taking turns means you act in a turnYes, and ATB doesn't have people take turns. Taking turns means waiting for the turn order to reach you, but there is no defined turn order in ATB.
>>747608196basado
>>747632262well, maybe not that the player can see, but wouldn't there technically be one? its not like you can have overlapping moves in most ATB games.(note that I'm not talking about commands, I'm talking about the actions themselves)
>>747632262Order is irrelevant. How you get to the turn is irrelevant when it is still a turn you are waiting to get to. You are literally just arguing semantics to pretend you have an argument.
>>747632262hahahahahahaha
>>747632262Competing ATBs is a versatile and variable form of turn order.I can't be arsed scrolling up, so is FFX turn based?
>>747632214>The commands being issued still never overlap with other commandsLol>>747632237>ESL shitposterLmao>>747632245Concession: accepted.>>747632256Issuing an ATB Command is not your turn. You can be attacked. You can be turned into a frog. You can literally die instead of issuing the Command. What don't you understand about that?
>>747632224I'm not gonna call you a retard for enjoying Act III, it just wasn't for me. I didn't think most story conclusions were good enough, or there were too many things going on at once that were mostly completly disconnected from anything I had any investment or curiosity on.> I think it would have been improved if the level cap wasn't so low though.Last time I played, I've modded my XP growth so that I ended Act III at 12. I spent most of it level 8-10, which was fun as it made the encounters more challenging.
ATB commands can even be interrupted in FFXIII because there is no turn order and an enemy can easily just knock you out of the animation.It's not turn based.
>>747632357fair enough. it's definitely the weakest portion of the game story wise
>>747632409>it doesn't count because *completely arbitrary distinction that means nothing*You lost. Concession accepted. ATB is turn based.
>>747632342>Issuing an ATB Command is not your turn.It's not your turn because it respects the enemy's turn that issued a Command before you.If there is no enemy turn happening, your turn will happen when you issue it's command.
>>747632409I would definitely say that XIII is a lot less "turn based" than something like VII. animation cancelling is actually an important part of high level play in XIII.
>>747608196I haven't watched a single second of footage for the third one. Shan't engage.
>>747632251I notice you didn't deny the accusation.
>>747632435>>747632437I can see that the actual autistic retards are going to be going all night about this because they cannot imagine a world where you could issue an ATB Command at the same time as the enemy or even have your ATB command eaten by the enemy because they knocked you out of the animation.>>747632471I'd like to see one single person explain to me how a game that can steal an ATB command from you due to your poor spacing is in any way a turn based game.
>>747632318in picrel, whose turn is it?>>747632298As long as the player is human then there isn't necessarily a turn order because of varying reaction speeds and on the fly strategy. Part of ATB's freedom is being able to choose to not take an action until a situation crops up where a party member would be useful.
>>747632535>I'd like to see one single person explain to me how a game that can steal an ATB command from you due to your poor spacing is in any way a turn based game.Because you issue commands on a turn.>YOU CAN INTERRUPT THE TURNOk so you agree that it's turn based. Great.
>>747607243The best thing about being an ACTION CHAD is that you get to see tb troons cry all the time. KEKEKEKEK
>>747632171>Source? My ass.
>>747632581It's swordfag and magefag's turn.
>>747632595ESL shitposter can't read
>>747632581What >>747632653 said. The bar is full so it's their turn. You take your turn when the ATB bar fills.
>>747626639You dont play jarpigs for combat.
>>747632730inspired by fortnite but won't do a collab with them. and they wonder why kids don't play FF?
>>747632703Seething ad hominem and yet no arguments. Concession accepted. You've been playing mental gymnastics all thread and yet you cannot argue against the fact that ATB involves you taking turns when your ATB bar is full.
You don't issue Commands on a turn silly child, you issue Commands on a TIMER.There is no turn, there is only a technical limitation. Limitations that were removed for FFXIII when enemies will now attack you during "your turns" (that means it's never really your turn)
>>747632653>>747632718If it's both their turn, then who determines who goes first and second? To take a turn, someone needs to go first, and as long as there's no hard rule dictating who takes priority, then there aren't turns being taken, only action opportunities.
>>747632773I'm pretty sure most ATB games have some sort of priority system in place to determine whose command screen is shown to you first in these cases
>>747632773>if you have to chose whose turn it is then it's not a turnWhy does every argument you dumbasses make have to also concede that it is a turn to even pretend to have an argument in the first place? It is a turn because you act on that specific point when it's available and CANNOT act when it's not. That is a turn. The timing of the turn, the availability of the turn, the order of the turn. Literally none of this changes the fact that IT IS A TURN. What is so difficult to understand about this fact?
>>747632730Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm as white as driven snow and will be buying Revelation.
>>747632528>people who dislike what I like are not realYou can eat a dick too.
>>747632581>>747632805In FFXII or FFXIII both of them will likely issue their Commands simultaneously and autonomously.NOW whose turn is it?
>>747632865It's an autismo for the ages, one to be studied.
>>747632897XIII is a strange case because you don't really have control over the minute actions of the other two party members. you can only control broader strategy through the paradigm system
>>747632805That's usually just the order of your party, and if it's not hard enforced by the game to make you do it in a specific order, then I wouldn't say there is a turn order. >>747632865>Meet halfway on your termingology>"You admitted it's a turn! I win!!"That's what I get for engaging with you sincerely
>>747632773>If it's both their turn, then who determines who goes first and second?Depends on which game. Some games have invisble "cast time" for certain commands once they're given, while in others, it's based exclusively on the order you issued the command. If you issue command first to magefag, he goes first; if to swordfag, he does. It's still their individual turns, and they do not happen simultaneously.
>>747632938No no anon these distinctions are only for autists and retards and you're not allowed to draw them.You're supposed to argue that FFXIII is turn based because it's always everyone's turn at all times. Lol
>>747632918Nigger the autismo is you who needs to autistically subcategorize things because you can't cope with things being grouped together. Semantics is an autistis game.>>747632954I engaged with you just as sincerely. You're now being dishonest and deflecting because you can't argue against what I said.
>>747632753It's all bullshit anyway.>So uh... will we be able to land Highwind on ground without glaring clipping issues?>No dice.>Shit... how do we will deal with this?>Well, there was this one segment in the OG where the group parachutes to Midgar an->Great! We'll just make it so that the team has to parachute everywhere!>How will they get back on the Highwind then?>I'd like to announce how Fortnite played as an inpsiration!>Why do I work with this clown...
>>747632954well let's say hypothetically both characters command screens appeared at once, and I got to choose which one went first and which one went second. would there still not be a turn order in that case?I see what you're getting at but I don't think you're phrasing it right.
>>747633032Let's say that even the guy on the bottom sitting at 25% on his bar was also capable of issuing a Command.Whose turn is it?
>>747632882Based KING. I am also a pale White vampire lord of the night, and will be purchasing on day one.
>>747632992>dishonest and deflectingThe entire argument is around whether or not it's turn based, meaning I have to engage with your premise and point of reference to even make a point. Claiming I'm admitting you're right for engaging with your side of things makes you the only dishonest one.
Final Fantasy XIII is Command based.It is not turn based.
>>747633094It's still magefag and swordfag's turn.But if they go for the whole duration of clawfag's bar filling without issuing a command, clawfag acts as soon as his bar fills and, effectively, swordfag and magefag lost their turn.
>>747632535>I'd like to see one single person explain to me how a game that can steal an ATB command from you due to your poor spacing is in any way a turn based game.Is FF1 turn based? Because you can issue a magic command and get silenced, robbing you of that turn.
>>747633163>>747632882White bros, we'll be eatin' good next April. :))))I even bought the Premium Edition so I can play early.
>>747633094just to be clear, I don't think FFXIII is a turn based game. it's definitely a clear cut example of a "command based game". I was just sort of interested in the minutia of your argument.For the hypothetical, though, I still think it would be turn based, just different than what we are used to. There is a tactics game, I forget the name, where you plan the actions of your entire team in one turn, and then the round is played in real time with you having no direct control during that time. I would still say its a turn based game, even if the action is real time, if the giving of commands happens without the need of reaction. given that FFXIII relies heavily on reaction speed and correct timing of inputs in its higher levels of difficulty, I would not call it a turn based game.
>>747633206That's not active, you were literally waiting for your turn and had your turn interrupted during the enemy turn.That's not happening in real time. You can be knocked out of your attack command in real time in FFXIII because there is no turn order.
>>747633165I never claimed you were admitting I was right. I claimed that you fundamentally need to agree that you take action on a turn to argue about how that turn is contextualized by individual battle systems. This isn't "I'm right" it's "this is the premise of the argument". You also still can't argue why I'm supposedly wrong. Feel free to point out how my argument is wrong. If you think that doesn't count as a turn tell me why you pathetic cunt. Nothing worse than a faggot who can't cope with an argument and just starts whining. If I was actually being dishonest you would be capable of dismantling my argument. You not doing that is proof that you are the dishonest one cause you refuse to engage genuinely.
>>747633202>But if they go for the whole duration of clawfag's bar filling without issuing a command, clawfag acts as soon as his bar fills and, effectively, swordfag and magefag lost their turnSike, the clawfag is the player and they're playing FFXIII which means it's actually all three party members turns at the same time and they are all about to issue Commands simultaneously, and it doesn't matter how full their bar is at all because clawfag can press Triangle to issue his stocked Commands on the ATB bar without waiting until it's fullSwordfag and magefag are acting autonomously and their actions happen on a timer, there is no turn order.
Here's a fun exercise: Do XVI timely accessories, Timely Focus specifically, turn XVI action combat into turn-based like? i think they do because if a game doesn't require split second decisions then it might as well be slow paced turn-based.
>>747633438well whats your read on XV combat? that was deliberately designed as a slower pace action game where you didn't need split second reaction time to do well in
>>747633408>Swordfag and magefag are acting autonomously and their actions happen on a timerThen they would have acted on the filling of their bars, no? Why would they have waited for clawfag's bar to fill, leading into>it's actually all three party members turns at the same time and they are all about to issue Commands simultaneouslythis happening?
>>747633260The active is irrelevant.I'm applying the distinction attempted to be made about interrupts and turn based.Because the logic makes FF1 not turn based. A game you probably did call turn based earlier in the thread.The thing you're hung up on and missing is that turns can happen concurrently from XII onwards.If a dragoon jumps and falls after the enemy's turn, was it the dragoon's turn or the enemy's?
>>747633530>Then they would have acted on the filling of their bars, no?Why are you assuming that they are waiting? Why can't they simply be "about" to act? The game is active. If clawfag is at half while his companions are at 100, that usually means he's already shortened a previous chain of actions and is now out of sync with his party members timers. It's his 'turn', his companions turns, and the enemies turn, all at once. Clawfag tries to throw the 50% stack of Commands, rushes across the screen and gets ragdolled into the air by the boss by his second Command, while Swordfag and Magefag issue a full stack of Commands from the backline, since they were in RAV/RAV paradigms.All four of them acted simultaneously.
>>747633484It felt like a shallow uncommitted mess that felt neither like a good action game or good "numbers go up" jarpig. You could wind up a heavy 2h sword attack with heavy momentum but you'd still get knocked back by enemy randomly frolicking around.
>>747607243They LITTERALLY listened to the loud zoomer\twitter minority that was saying "muh turn based" which it was revealed untrue and newer games with turn based (exp, bg3) sold millions and square released another "press x to be awesome".
>>747607243NOOO YOU CANT DO THAT, BECAUSE, UHM.. UHHH.... YOU JUST CANT!!! THE MODERN AUDIENCE WILL NEVER PLAY A TURN BASED GAME!!>e33 sweeps the game awards
>>747609946>what if we make all of our 2d games look like shitty newgrounds productions
>>747629605>Square Enix doesn't make AAA turn-based games, because they simply wouldn't be profitableYou keep saying this but time after time games like Persona 5 and Expedition 33 mog the shit out of your TikTok button mashers lmao!
>>747634650>>747634175E33 isn't even turn-based though. It is a hybrid.
>>747634772It's turn based with a gimmick like legend of dragoon. Still turn based.
>>747634723The list of failed turn-trash slop is endless. Of course you don't mention those games.
>>747634892there is an equally large amount of failed action games. it turns out a shit game is a shit game, regardless of combat style.
>>747634892There are endless failed action RPGs out there too
>>747634772E33 is turn based with real time action elements. The strict turn order for commands and full stoppage of time shows that. It's Persona 5 or FFX, with some parryslop thrown on top. It was fun.
>>747634892Metaphor flopped. Fatlusslop without the Persona dating simulator stuff just doesn't sell.
