How is /v/ liking the new Warcraft 3 campaign?
it's fun. level design is confusing though.
>>747615164New portraits are SOULLESS
>>747615164looks like shit and also only exists to justify the addition of undead paladins to wow forever
>>747615164isn't it a bit late to release a DLC for a 24 year old game?
>>747615164>more RPG bullshit instead of RTS after 2 fucking decadesYou'd have to pay me the $29.99 to play that
>>747615164$30 is very steep for a Rexxar CampaignIt does look fun though.
>>747615164Why does it look like a mobile game?
>>747615164It's quite good, great, even.
New content for old games is great, but why do they have to make it look like shit and force a whole new version on everyone? It isn't even the old game any more so what's the fucking point?
>>747618482I wonder what games will still be selling new DLC in 100 years
>>747615164they censored the female outfits with the new graphics and force it the new graphics with the campaign, won't be buying
>>747621491>>747621491>>747621491>>747621491waiting for the pirated version
>>747620934>I wonder what games will still be selling new DLC in 100 yearsIt's gonna be the following:>StarCraft 1>Diablo 2>WarCraft III>World of WarCraft>Heroes of Might and Magic III>Runescape>Age of Empire II>Knights of the Old Republic IIThese games have more or less withstood the test of time.
>>747620934Stellaris
Disappointed it doesn't add a new faction in melee. Undead paladins cool but very niche
>>747618482If people buy remakes and remasters then why not?
>>747621846>Disappointed it doesn't add a new faction in melee.Or at least have an actual Orc and Human campaign
>>747615164shill or baitposter? kys either way
>>747618482>isn't it a bit late to release a DLC for a 24 year old game?What does that tell you how shit modern games are now that people keep returning to games of the 1980s-2000s>modern games have normalized micro transitions so much that your debit card is saved for the cash shop.
In act 1 of the Forsaken campaignPatiently awaiting porn of Garek dicking down Anya
>>747618482>it's not like they released new DLC for free for the gam-OH WAIT
>>747622204i've already written smut of anya with worgen
>>747615164I'm having a lot of fun but I miss base building. I'm not very far in so I hope it comes later in the campaign.
>>747622354At the time, these were just patches, not DLC. How far we have fallen.
>>747622721I imagine she met an end like this, but with worgen instead of dogshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSRqteIL9Ls
>$30>no base building>in a warcraft 3 campaign-m-muh rexxar bonus campaign callback!!!ROFL HOLY FUCK LOL
>>747623051how was it not downloadable content?
can you play as the scarlet crusade
>>747623439honestly base-building levels are easier to make than these things
>>747623624The term DLC did not exist, zoomer.
>>747615164holy shit why does it look like fucking paladins and not warcraft 3
>>747623689So why are there no base building levels then? It's fucking WC3.
>>747623743what difference does that make?
>>747623251no I don't like writing gangbang content
>>747623743>>747623812if anything, being there when the term started and knowing what it means should be even more reason for you to not say something retarded like that. It was DLC, we just didn't call it that
>>747623624>why isnt dark souls a jrpg
>>747623893>DLC can't be freeabsolute zombie
>>747615164The one thing interesting I find about this is that it gives insight into how the WCIII engine eventually morphed into the WoW one and I wouldn't be surprised if they backported WoW code to support more RPG features.
>Hard difficulty is actually hardNow that's something new.
>>747615164Does it have black people in it?
>>747624841I haven't seen any yet
>>747615164Actually, this looks nice. However, I’ll wait until it gets cheaper.
I liked rexxars campaign better desu
>>747618482obviously not
>>747618482AoEII's African Kingdoms Expansion was released 16 years later after the base game
>>747618482Nah, I love the new campaigns for Quake 1 and 2.
>>747622354what do you mean, every videogame is free now
>>747615164How is the campaign for Warcraft 3 Reforged? Is it difficult? For reference, I can beat the campaign for Starcraft Brood War.
>>747618482They are releasing this crap to retcon Warcraft - as well so they can show the chuds that LOOK AT THIS! OUR RETCON COMES FROM WC3 ITSELF DONT YOU SEE?!Yeah the nepo baby hamplanets and faggits are that stupid.
>its just more rexxar sloppa>literally half a build missionFUCKOFF
>>747618482>>747628465Yep you can already see the WoWtier writing in the campaign
>>747615164anyone have a list of everything new in this dlc? or a video
>>747618482It's not because the game is still popular and a proof that modern games are so shit that people would rather play games possibly older than themselves.
The Forsaken narrative in Warcraft is so hecking queer.>you are no longer what you were>body is radically altered>body becomes alien to the self>rejected by former friends and family>construct a new identity>make a new family/society among other freaks>Syvlanas literally gets mad when deadnamedNow that there's undead paladins, other trans christians (such as myself) can feel even more represented 0w0
>>747628812most important:- new tavern hero- new campaign- new artstyle (selectable like classic or reforged but the new campaign FORCES you to pick the new graphics)- 24 unit selection limit (up from 12)- no dubbing for any of the new content (WC3 had a fuckton of dubbings, most of them great)tha will be $30 goy
>>747628349I never play Starcraft. Basically normal difficulty is a catwalk, but hard difficulty changes the setpieces in a couple of missions which makes them batshit insane. Here's some example>A rescue mission that has the time limit cut in half because the enemy workers are cutting the tree barrier twice as fast.>After your reinforcement units reach the main base and establishing a second base next to the gold mine, the enemy will spam a LOT of Naga Royal Guards, a unit that somehow has higher stat than an average max level Hero.>You need to protect your hero while he seals the portals. The portals spawn 3x as many incredibly deadly demonic units as usual>You play three different undead factions that prevent enemy escaping from three different choke points. However, all sides have crippling 25% food penalty for unit production.
>>747628926>- 24 unit selection limit (up from 12)Is this part of the 30 buck shit or already in the game
>>747615164Did they fix the graphics bug this update did to the OG campaigns yet?
>>747628873Did you ask ChatGPT to come up with this post, Saar?
>>747629000it's in multiplayer, so regardless of which version you're playing
>>747618482dorks keep getting mad at new games and insist on playing ancient ones, so why not?
The fucking Age of Mythology updates are better than this
>>747629000New neutral hero, 24 unit selection and new texture pack are in normal custom game. Only the new campaign is behind the paywall.
are there any high quality custom campaigns with normal standard warcraft 3 campaign building style missions?
>>747628926>tha will be $30 goyand I heard the dlc is made by the community and not blizzard themselves. how the fuck are they charging $30 for this?
Undead Paladin exists to fuck undead players specifically which is weird. Undead aren't even the best race.
>>747629105tomoraider campaign are good but only on easy mode.
>>747628926>no dubbing for any of the new content??
>>74762916318+ years of age or older to post here
>>747629163Because they can and they know people are gonna eat it up. "Made by the players" is a great marketing stunt.And remember, you NEED Reforged for that, so effectively you're paying $60 or more for a 24yo game and its DLC.
>>747629241shut your gay ass up nigger I'm older than your father
Campaign is really fun. Forsaken zones look really comfy
>>747628926>no dubbing for any of the new contentWhat does this mean?
>>747629272my father died years ago in his 60's
>>747629164Because the best Undead player is a Russian. In fact, he's like the only notable Undead player.
Is the new inventory system only for the new campaign mode? That shit's game breaking if used in multiplayer.
>>747629317is this ukraine war posting or some weird slav ethnic squabble thing
>>747629253it's $50 to get the bundle
>>747629220>>747629282That means if you're playing in anything but English your only choice is to suck it up with the disparity. You don't get Russian, Polish, French or Spanish voices, just EN. At least they're translating the text. Unless they're gonna suddenly announce the dubs but I doubt it.>>747629351This isn't a joke, competitive WC3 has many Russian pros.>>747629363Still $40 too much.
>>747629594>should be $10let me guess, never tried to make anything before?
>>747629661Let me guess, you're a nigger?
>>747629351'Happy' is the world's best undead, maybe even best player period is from russia
>>747628465What are the retcons?
>>747629681nopeniggers think everything should be free and don't understand the value of work, though
>>747628926>no dubbing for any of the new contentthe units... are... SILENT!???
>>747630014Dubbing is the new localized track. It's *dubbed*. The original, so in this case English voices, are still there.But it's literally just English.It's most likely a non-issue for you but a bugger for plenty of people.
>>747630014Only for non ingrish versions
>>747630078Ah, so a third world issue. Cool.
>>747622140What it really shows, is that gamer demographic is aging and large share of them entering middle age crisis.
>>747615164I'm liking it a lot because I'll never play warcraft games.
>>747618482New big budget games are really risky to make and these days often don't sell nearly as well as big publishers want, so this is a result of an ongoing shift in the games industry. There has been enough success recently with reviving old games that lot of publishers and game dev studios have started to pay attention and trying to do it themselves. You're going to see this more and more going forward until the market is saturated with new releases of classics with modern updates.
>>747615164the ground textures are so bad in this "update" I want to study and learn how they painted the textures for the original.Is it some sort of lost technology or what the fuck is happening?
>>747630606They have to deal with a 25 year old engine
>>747630323what is the random comma for?
>>747630752>They have to draw worse textures than the original because the engine is oldI know you are retarded and a soulless inhuman subhuman but ?????????????
Anya r34 when
>lvl 4pfft get on my level
>>747631462How fucking long is this mission
>>747631493which one? the poison the water one? idk i still haven't done that one
>>747631528No, this whole mission lol>Act One City of the Dead
>>747631560oh yeah idk i'm still one act one too i think lol
they turned WC3 into fucking WoWMMO niggers should be gathered and thrown in a pit. retarded brand worshiping faggots ruined so many good series
>>747631619rexxar campaign was a long ass time ago, though. This is basically just the UD version of that
It should have been a Naga campaign
>>747631704Which sucks because I thought proper RTS was back on the menu.
I thought Scarlet Crusade was going to be added as a melee factionWhitemane hero uvhhhh
>>747631756This kind of thing is probably more difficult/expensive to make than a typical RTS campaign. I'm guessing RTS is just a tough sell and hard to predict, and the rexxar campaign was popular with RTS players and custom game fags all the same, so it was a safe bet to dip their toes in and see how it goes
>>747631861You're probably right. While I am disappointed, I also cannot deny that I am having fun with it. It's just nice to play WC3 again.
based on this and the new "Starcraft" there's probably no one at Blizzard who can even design RTS anymore
what kind of keybindings you guys use?I want to have camera movement on WASD
>>747631619>they turned WC3 into fucking WoWYeah? WoW at it's core was made with a fork of the WC3 engine while they were being developed concurrently.
>more To Tame a Land nonsense instead of a 10-mission Alliance campaign, Sentinel campaign, Horde campaign and Forsaken/Scourge campaign>no Alliance campaign focused on Stormwind trying to find out what the fuck happened to Lordaeron, eventually giving up on the place and re-establishing contact with the manlets, gnomes and other human kangdomz, the latter whom all desire to be the new leader of the Alliance after letting Lordaeron alone to their demise>no Sentinel campaign that shows the Night Elves cleaning up Ashenvale and its outskirts fearing the Horde will invade them someday so they sent emissaries to the new Alliance capital in Stormwind>no Horde campaign where Thrall just unfucks the Horde, beats up more centaurs and other critters while trying his hardest to keep the peace with the Night Elves and Theramore>no Blood Elf campaign where they eventually turn on Prince Kael and some Blood Elves make the pilgrimage back home and try to rebuild Quel'thalas with some elves rejoining the Alliance>no Naga campaign where they take over the Outland entirely, beating up uppity demons and then halfway they create a portal that allows them to return back to the Maelstrom and they set up base in the center of the Azeroth>no separate Forsaken and Scourge campaign, Scourge campaign deals with Kang Arthas securing the entirety of Northrend and sending expeditionary undead to Kalimdor, Lordaeron while Sylvanas does her own thing
>>747633424Grid keys. It's burned into me from playing SC2. In fact, I keep trying to T-move (attack move) everywhere even though attack move is R in WC3.
>Some WoWshitlol who cares about Fagsaken or Shartlet Crusade?
Why does it look like a free mobile game?
>>747633561>>747633561>>no Alliance campaign focused on Stormwind trying to find out what the fuck happened to Lordaeron, eventually giving up on the place and re-establishing contact with the manlets, gnomes and other human kangdomz, the latter whom all desire to be the new leader of the Alliance after letting Lordaeron alone to their demiseThis, also Varian was leading raids on Horde holdouts in the south during and after his coronation + stormwinds rebuilding if I remember from the comic But no, here's some more Sylvanas/forsaken wank with Scarlet bad guys for the billionth time
All these blizz remaster games or the Diablo 4 I might play only if they go on deep deep discounts. Like 5 USD or less max.
>>747633730>for the billionth timeso is most of the whining from wowfags or what? Billionth time? Sylvanas was a minor character in the undead campaign; tf you mean 'billionth time' ?
>>747633424defaulti edge pan
WC3DE would have made a larger impact if Blizzard put it on Steam along with the old Warcraft and Starcraft gamesDiablo 2 is already on Steam
>>747615164I don't want to pay for it, and the new visuals are vomit to me. Hoping eventually that eventually someone can backport the campaign to the original version of the game so I never have either buy it or play with those fugly graphics.I am happy that they are making new campaigns for it and hope they continue but I just refuse to play with that version of the game at all ever.
>>747633843Yes, most of the complaining is from people who actually know what Warcraft is, try to keep up zoomzoom.
>>747615164I dunno, I aint buying a custom campaign made by fans for 30 dollars.
>>747634027the campaign seems to have a ton of new assets, so it'd be a lot of work to port it. Might happen but I doubt it>>747634069>le ebin poor reading comprehensiononly pretending i presume?
>>747615164looks like ass
I don’t like wow lore and I certainly don’t want wc3 to follow it
>>747633730Watch them once again not make the Founding of Stormwind campaign that we should have gotten 23 years ago to explain why we were in Stormwind in the first place.
>>747629351He is implying that the new tavern hero being an undead counter exclusively is just blatant discrimination towards the current #1 pro, who plays undead, simply because he is russian.
>>747634421Undead were always imba
>>747615164Holy shit what is that garbage? It looks fucking horrible. Is that Reforged? Zero sovl.
>>747634447as in underpowered, yes
>>747633574Hey the Argent Dawn is there too!!
>>747631330>>747631462>hero portraits and models look bland and genericFuck man, even the generic blademaster in the original has more character than any of this pis combined.
>>747623743It did actually, EA used it for NFS High Stakes and I believe Sims add-ons (mostly free), but it was not a wide spread term in the early 2000s.Calling patches DLC is retarded as is referring to expansion packs as such
>>747623879a game patch is not DLC dumbass.You don't call reaction images DLCs for Shitposting now do tou?
>>747622354>>747623051>>747623624Patch is not optional, you need the latest patch to play on official servers. If pathc contains new content it still a patch.DLC is optional, you do not need to (buy or) install it to play on official servers if you do not want to.Warcraft 3 had no DLC, it had patches.That should cleart this up for you dumbass zoomies.
>>747615164>turning war3 into wow/d3 slop
>>747635472The warchasers custom map was kino thoughbeit.
The lord of the rings custom game is genuinely better than this shit
>>747615164Pros:- Actually good story.- The more RPG-ish inventory in the vein of WoW and Warlords Battlecry.- Talent system for the heroes modifies their attacks, stats and abilities.- New content overall.- The DE graphics are an upgrade over the RE graphics (still OG graphics mog both).Cons:- The DE graphics need more shading (still better than Reforged).- Some models still don't have their DE versions (hoping they will bring those soon).- There is no dedicated talisman slot for talismans in the inventory (you put the talismans where the rings are).- The Forsaken Kingdom campaign is Founding of Durotar 2.0.I don't mind it. It is nice and all, but I was hoping for a more traditional base building, army building thing here. Especially with the Forsaken Kingdom campaign.On the other hand I'd really like that talent system to be included into the RoC and TFT campaigns. Would've made everything even more interesting.
>>747620934Star Citizen>Chris Roberts' head in a jar pleading for just a little more time and money. S42 soon, he promises.
>>747634421>blatant discrimination towards the current #1 pro, who plays undeadyep, makes sense...>simply because he is russian...copium buttblasted russoid projection
>>747636769Man, I wish there was a modern WBC. That series petered out for no real reason.
>>747628926>$30 goyFor a 30 hour side campaign. Seems fine to me.
The thing I find funny or I guess insulting depending on how you look at it is there already exists multiple free custom campaigns about the Forsaken being established/starting up. Hell someone even made a Rexxar style RPG campaign and it's free. It would not shock me if they took ideas from it.https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/legacy-of-lordaeron-v3-3.290032/
>>747637424>for no real reason.jews. As always
>>747630606generally they lost a lot of contrast and deep blacks, as well as roughness/noise (compare new/old goldmine) and sharpness
>>747628939I guess I'll just play at normal difficulty. I'm not much warcraft fan anyways.
>>747629594That's how it should be I don't understand why you would play in anything other than English unless there's something wrong with you
>>747615164You people are still giving money to blizzard?
>>747615164Horrible
>>747615164You know what? I don't really think that they modified the core game, adding new mechanics, just for 1 DLC. Maybe I could be wrong, but probably this is the first of many DLCs they're going to introduce in the future.
>>747618482Microsoft probably told Blizzard: "Makes all your game fruitful for money-harvesting, or prepare for cuts and layoffs."
>>747626797The Forgotten (2013) was the first expansion since Conquerors, so 13 years.
OUR ALLIES TOWN IS UNDER SIEGE
>>747618482aren't you a bit too old to be posting tranime?
>>747615164I'm no WC3 pro but I play it at least once a year and the first mission seemed harder than usual. I barely made it to the boss then had to give up
OUR ALLIES HERO HAS FALLEN
>always online drm protection for a 20 years old game
>>747646275Kill yourself, tourist
>>747615164fucking talents!! and inventory!!
>>747628465Well yes they’re pre-writing an entire new undead quest line and forsaken hero character for WoW forever, they’re actually doing a fantastic job of that as well >>747629710It centrals around the story of the Lordaeron Captain of the Guard becoming Forsaken, and how the Undercity and Forsaken territory actually come to be, alongside the actions of the Silver Hand and the actual Scarlet Crusade prior to TFT. Also some other fun stuff like all the named liches from multiplayer were human cult of the damned members who you get to kill
>>747615164The only thing I'll ever give ActiBlizz execs is rope so they can neck themselves.
>>747628926and you CANNOT select the new graphics for the old campaigns
>>747646974You don't even have new models for heroes like Thrall or Arthas lol
>>747615164god i hate wc 3. it looks so ugly and i dislike hero units so much
>>747642021Well they have to canonize an official WC3 Forsaken origin so they can actually write a proper storyline and context for the Forsaken in Forecer, which they did fairly poorly in WoW (who are these guys? How come I know none of these ex-humans even though they’re the Lordaeron survivors? The Forsaken as they appeared in classic were a retcon in the first place)
>>747618482fools pay for it, why not make it
Is this yet another Human male/Elf female pairing in Warcraft?
>>747646617won't make you any less of a incel loser, I'm afraid
What the fuck is a tavern hero
>Beric Dondarrion Well its loyal to how they named the characters in the original
>>747615164I like it. Played on hard made me saved scum. MC is literally the same GOT character who gets revived by the light and loses an eye.
>>747647234TFT stuff, a neutral building like a merc camp that lets u hire a hero
>>747647234In TFT they added neutral hero altars which were taverns which offered heroes that didnt belong to any race
>>747634386Part of the reason humans/the Alliance suffers in WoW optically is because we're plopped in Stormwind with 0 explanation on what happened to Stormwind in the events between the end of Warcraft 2 to WoW save for a small lore blurb in the WC3 manual. Meanwhile Orcs/Horde had 2 fleshed out campaigns with heroes/arcs/and set up going into Warcraft 3. Stormwind/The Alliance did not, which is weird because in Warcraft 3's undead 1st few missions after killing all the human survivors from escaping, Arthas literally says "The Alliance is finished!", ignoring all the Alliance loyal nations outside Lordaeron and King Varian himself (who is later written as having been a "brother" to Arthas in a novel that goes absolutely nowhere).It's all shit, and this new campaign is pretty worthless considering we all know where it ends up, the Jailer's master keikaku and all that nonsense.The new "fixed definitive" artstyle of this new campaign is also Warcraft Rumble Mobile garbage, imagine buying this.
I played Wc3tft 20 year ago but mostly LAN with friends or skirmish vs AI never campaign, whats the last version and best patch without this reforged nonsense?
>>747647324>Meanwhile Orcs/Horde had 2 fleshed out campaigns with heroes/arcs/and set up going into Warcraft 3.**going into WoW
>>747647287>>747647315Oh kinda like native embassies in AOE3, I see.
>>747615164Release a real Expansion cowards. New campaign is a good start, but give us playable Naga race, give us a few new units for every race, give us a new hero for every race. Then I will care.
>>747615164They added official support for inventory system? Kinda cool for potential RPG maps.
>>747647135Yes. Quel'thalas elves lust for the human chad.
>>747646974>>747647017this is deal breaker for me. not even the function itself, but because it clearly shows they really don't give a shit to try to do whole thing properly and somewhat fix recucked. its just another quick cashgrab
>>747618557The larpmaster 3000
>>747644587My dubbing was very fucking gud and full of famous actors. To this day it's used as an example of how to do that shit well. 20 years later most of them are dead.English was good but so was the dubbing, and when given the choice between at least equally good things I'll pick my mother tongue because why wouldn't I? You're gonna pretend this doesn't happen but I'm sure as fuck you play at least one Japanese game with EN voices.
I was mildly interested until I saw the price tag. What the fuck are they thinking? With how Reforged is already considered the worst remaster of all time, putting a price tag on a single new expansion is completely idiotic
>>747647163troonie cope
>>747647648It's a big expansion and you don't appreciate labor
>AoE2 DLC costs $20>comes with 3-4 new civs>25ish missions>Full voice overs>WC3 DLC Is 30>One new hero>One new campaign >No voice oversCool
>>747618482not if people are willing to buy it
>>747647903I thought that AoE2 is English only + native civ blurbs
Even some of the Warchasers still use reforged skins
>>747615164I wonder if young people who grew up playing mobile games look at Warcraft 3 and think it's just another game with the same art style they're tired of seeing, without realizing that it essentially spawned the entire aesthetic that's been overused on mobile games.
>>747647885Is it as big as the newest Diablo 4 expansion, which currently also costs $30 and has regular free seasonal updates?
>>747647996warchasers?
Microsoft already did an RPG/RTS hybrid. It was also really good as well. I have no idea why they don't do the same with WC3. When they originally announced Reforged they said that they where going to do something similar at least for cosmetics so already this this is weird as hell because as much as I liked the Rexxar campaign it was pretty much just Diablo-lite.
>>747648096D4's seasons suck ass theres zero effort put into them, especially compared to PoE 1 and 2
>>747646878>all the named liches from multiplayer were human cult of the damned members who you get to killReally?Damn I was hoping some of them were orcs.
>>747648096itd be insane if they charged for those updates. they basically add nothing to the game other than a new way to gamble craftI also dont think anyone plays the game. I played at release and maybe two seasons after that and Im in the top 96th percentile of players somehow
>>747615164Something that struck me was how immediate the 'fuck Arthas, he's a bad guy' tone started in the prologue. Like yea, everyone knows what happens after the human campaign, but it's like the guy is the writer's mouthpiece and they're doing what they can in as few lines of dialogue as possible to get you to believe Arthas is a bad guy.Yea he does evil things and becomes the arch-traitor, but it doesn't vibe with any prior depiction of Arthas in the lore at this time. The man was a paladin, could've been the first paladin who became a king and in the early missions you see he genuinely cares about the lives of his people and everyone we see until the Culling has faith in Arthas' moral compass and compassion.Just saying the writing doesn't fit how the characters should be acting. It's also missing all the tragedy of someone getting bamboozled by DK Arthas returning from Northrend and being at ground zero of having all their expectations destroyed.
>>747648438This takes place after Uther tells people about the culling retard
>>747648492Arthas still had a human army of loyalists for like 5 missions after that.He was also received with open arms in the cinematic, with a shower of flowers being thrown at him after his northrend campaign. The people were with Arthas the entire time, it was just the Silver Hand paladins that were kinda mad at him after the culling.
>>747615164So, the new art style is... closer to WC3. But like, I've been seeing loads of people saying it's fixed or that it's superior to even WC3 classic. People literally shouting that it's a return to form. But it's not even HotS quality.it looks like fucking Clash of Clans. Like it legit looks like a mobile cookie-clicker style game with all the big chunky details. It's missing that 90s comic book feel from the official art that WC3 clearly conveyed with the technology of the time.
>>747648709>Arthas still had a human army of loyalists for like 5 missions after that.Who were with him in Northrend and not in Lordaeron dipshit
>>747648158>I have no idea why they don't do the same with WC3.It is a massive, unthinking, unfeeling corporate.Amid an endless chase for no personal responsibility and safe investments, they are simply copying 1:1 the thing Forgotten Empire has been cheaply doing to AoE2. Down to aping the name "Definitive Edition" to hopefully fool a couple more people.>So why an RPG campaign?See above. They brought in established mappers to reappropriate their work as paid expansions like in AoE2. Except WC3 mappers are largely doing RPG maps, not standard campaigns, so this is what they're serving officially, 30 bucks a pop.
>>747647324Back in the day I found it very weird how thriving human societies were because I had only played Warcraft 3 before. In my eyes humans were a ragtag group of resistance fighters and whatnot while the entire eastern kingdoms were scourge-filled hellholes. At least that's the impression i got from the WC3 campaigns. Why would Medhiv beg people to leave the entire continent if it wasn't going to be turned into undeadland?Early vanilla WoW felt like it was a prequel to WC3 in some aspects except for the horde already being in Kalindor...
>>747615164>new Warcraft 3 campaignFucking what?
>>747648438The protag was the only one who disliked Arthas initially, and that was more just being annoyed over him being a bit headstrong. Everyone else in the city was just happy Arthas was back.
Just give us classic campaign with diff choices that result in what-ifs fanfiction.
>>747648907>how thriving human societies wereThey're not thriving at all. There were seven human kingdoms and by the time WoW starts Stormwind is the only one not fucked or completely destroyed l.
>>747620717why because of who developed it, of course!
>>747648709>they accept him with open arms in the cinematicThats the first mission bozoThe protag just (rightfully) thinks the Royalty is wasting their time fucking around overseas when there’s actual work to be done. After that Arthas is just the Traitor Prince because he obviously is once he kills Terenas
>>747648768>followed him to an accursed land despite the Culling>still gets a hero's welcome in the Capital.I mean we could just sit around making up shit too. The people were with Arthas and believed he was still a hero. It's why the human ending worked in OG.
>>747618482Asha told her dalit pajeet slaves at Blizzard to announce SOMETHING, ANYTHING at all for every game they have. They even released a new hero for HotS, a game that's been abandoned since 2018. Spoiler alert, it ain't coming back, and neither is Warcraft 3.
>>747647471Imagine Nu-Blizzard trying to balance an entirely new race kek
>>747620934AoE2 for sure.
>>747648980Yep, 30 hour campaign from the perspective of Lordaeron falling to the Scourge, the rise of the human Forsaken and the before Sylvanas’ involvement, shows the rise of the Scarlet Crusade, and adds named Forsaken characters and heroes to WC3 so the Forsaken arent just nobodies who pop up led by an elf in classicBasically they made the Forsaken humans real characters are and how they are Lordaeroni and not pussies
>>747649072Eh not completely. Kul Tiras was fine but had cut ties after WC3 and didn't appreciate SW taking in Theramore. In Vanilla Gilneas was a mystery because it was supposedly fine but had gone full isolationist.It is one of the lost elements of WC humans that made them unique. They had more in common with the dying elf trope than other fantasy humans.
>>747635167Consoles started with this shit and made everyone fucking retarded in regard to what patches and expansions are supposed to mean.Every bullshit practice we have nowadays in the industry started by mongoloid cucksole consumers.
>Blizzard actually refunded my money for once.Huh, I'm shocked.It's not that I hate this new campaign, but 30 bucks is waaaaay too steep of a price.
>>747649363>so the Forsaken arent just nobodies who pop up led by an elf in classic>i.e. didn't play TFTAre you a marketer? I ain't seen anyone glazing this campaign before as hard as I've seen in this thread.
Its actually fucking insulting they asked money for this
>>747649206>Thats the first mission bozoFirst UNDEAD mission which comes right after the human campaign.Arthas is welcomed by entire population in the same cinematic that he kills his own father unopposed. No one thought of him as a traitor until he did that and then the undead campaign imediately starts. He has loyal followers all the way through the human campaign.>>747648768And also at Lordaeron throwing flowers at him nonstop. Have you watched the cinematic at all?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A20Dcw9Izyo
>>747649363Does it explain why these proud Lordaerian undeads embrace horde cock and submit to some elf bitch that refused to help them in the first place?
>>747615164I'd like to play it but I only have the baseline game without reforged and from what I've been I'd need to buy reforged first and only then I'd be able to buy the campaign for 30 rocks on top, no way I'm paying all that just for it...A friend who's been playing also told me it's really buggy and low budget
>>747649682There's just a bunch of stupid ass takes ITT which are either Zoomers who never played WC3 or trolls>Its against the lore for undead to use the Light!>The Forsaken popped up out of nowhere in WoW!>Undead cant be paladins!>There was no explanation for why an elf leads the Forsaken!>I'm straight I swear!
>>747615164Blizzard could at least pull a Valve and hire the best modders/mappers around and make something really cool with the original and new models...fuck this dogshit company, I'm so glad I have never gave them a single cent
>>747649682No I played TFT but when you start Classic the Forsaken are like entirely different people and they were pretty much left as nearly Sylvanas’ thralls in TFT. They show that Sylvanas put them all together, but they never had any named characters of the playable Forsaken race from WC3, no hero. So they added some and showed how the Lordaeron army became the Forsaken army as they fought in Lordaeron before Sylvanas comes Just giving them some names and agency.
>>747649819>Does it explain why these proud Lordaerian undeads embrace horde cockThe same reason why every other Vanilla Horde race is part of the Horde, survival.
>>747649781Yeah the new campaign starts on the day of Arthas’ return. Until he stabs Terenas he is trusted by everyone but the MC. Campaign starts off there
>>747649958Survival against what? Tft ends on the forsaken obliterating the humans left
It always bothered me - why would SYLVANAS, an elf from Quel'Thalas lead the people of Lordearon? Is there no one capable in Lorderaon to lead them?I guess Blizzard themselves realized how idiotic that was and started introducing Calia Menethil as the new leader of the Forsaken. But I guess that didn't go anywhere.
Here's a fun thought experiment. Realistically, what could Blizzard do to convince (You) they're back on the right path? Maybe not for all their games as I'm positive there is no saving WoW and duds like D4, but just in general. For me the only path forward would be>Make an effort to rehire as many oldschool devs for Warcraft III and Diablo>Let them pick their own teams to develop new content/sequels with NO corporate overheadThat's it. I won't accept anything less
>>747650176I just want them to fix Reforged. But with every new patch they are making one step forward, three steps back.
>>747650172She was supposed to be an evil cunt but then they let you play as the zombies in WoW so they had to pretend you had souls
>>747618482I thought a 20 year old beloved game didn't need a replacement that butchered it, but things don't always work out.
>>747650176I literally like this campaign and what it implies for WoW forever
>>747650287One more reason why the RTS is the superior way to explore the Warcraft IP, because your writers have more freedom.
>>747650282Anon, a skeleton crew of DEI hires that either despise or fundamentally misunderstand what made WCIII great will NEVER be able to fix Reforged.
>>747650172Don't bother, TFT gave us retarded shitshow that is fleshy Sylvanas and people ate it up
>>747650359What does it imply for WoW Forever? Spoil me, anon. I am not giving them my money.
>>747650360>destroying your own nationalist faction in the name of peace, againFuck the MMO writing lmao
>>747650359And you're saying that's all it took to convince you? No wonder this company is fucked, it's holdout fans are braindead
>>747646974Is this true? Been really tempted to replay the original campaigns with the new visuals... why would they not be in effect? The most recent ones (definitive?) look really good
>>747615164>warcraftBLIZZDRONE ALERT! BLIZZDRONE ALERT!
>>747650176i think they're on the path. they realize retail is full of whiny retards who want to be gay and cuddle and that they'll scream and shit themselves if blizz try to make any drastic changes so they've made wow 2 to start sort of fresh
>>747650481Because it was only made for the new campaign and quick refresh for muh MP
>>747650424They basically wrote an entire Founding of Durotar style campaign for the Undead that clearly leads into huge Undead zone questline additions and create a whole staff of Forsaken human heroes and named characters who will act like non-elf faction leaders, which their own beefs and agendas (Undead humans have a Rexxar now) Plus they wrote the rise of the Scarlet Crusade into WC3 so they SC content is going to be comprehensive and less like a retcon
>>747649949>but when you start Classic the Forsaken are like entirely different peopleUh, no. The campaign in TFT is the undead breaking free. There was technical and funding limitations but in the lore, Sylvanas' undead units are like her, freed and bitter as fuck. In between the lore to vanilla they try to reconnect with SW and their humanity and SW kills the diplomats on sight. With the Scarlet Crusade going into full swing immediately after, the Forsaken, who were already fucked up by being slaughtered and raised, became more bitter, guarded, and eventually genocidal against the remaining living residents in Lordaeron that were trying to purge them.>no heroCanonically that's the Dark Rangers you can recruit. Again it's an expansion story and a B-plot that just explains what happens while Arthas becomes the Lich King. You get the follow-up to that story in vanilla where you complete quests and explore the world which introduced a number of named characters that explore what the Forsaken are and what they believe.
>>747650172Because they were all dead, human or elf doesn't matter, she was the most capable and with the biggest drive to gather people and prepare for her revenge against Arthas. No one from Lordaeron royalty was around at the time, undead or alive.
>>747650481>why would they not be in effectBecause they lied and didn't really update all the models for the new graphics. They did the bare minimum and only updated the models you see in MP and the new campaign. Everything else has been left untouched.
>>747650481>The most recent ones (definitive?) look really goodThey don't.Also, you are unable to play the old campaigns, because Blizzard did the absolute bare minimum and only designed the skirmish/multiplayer models. All the campaign and unique models are left untouched/missing.
>>747650435I just played it and it was fun. All it ever takes
>30 burgers for a reshit expac that still looks worse than the original game they destroyed No thanks lol
>>747629716niggers pay out of the ass to have shoddily made nike shoes and garbage iphones, I don't think you ever dealt with them.
>>747650737It's not even a real expac. It's literally just a campaign. No new units. No new heroes. No new races. Just the bare fucking minimum for people who don't even like RTS and all 10 "pro" players.
>>747650431They could monetize Warcraft3 with skins for your units or by introducing more factions in the same four large factions. The only issue is that you have to have some seriously talented and dedicated boys manning the guns.Warcraft 4, if it ever happens, has to start right after Sylvanas sets up the Forsaken, and then they somehow get absorbed back into the scourge later, ignoring the rest of WoW writing from that point on. The mmo just fucked up every faction by merging them into alliance and horde, killed off many big names in the story for no good reason(the reason was that they didn't expect WoW to last that long) and made the world of warcraft much smaller because you're off to outland asap and then you're off to northrend, etc taxying around because the content pipeline for a mmorpg is different compared to a RTS.
>>747650591Right but the human Forsaken were sidelined to make the Forsaken Sylvanas’ faction, so they wrote in Derek and a more personal anti-Arthus/Cult Forsaken resistance. Dark Ranger hero doesn’t cut it for a human undead representative sadly, the human Forsaken kind of were peons in Classic
>expect to play cool characters like Arthas or Maiev >Its more sylvanas wankery
>>747650764>shoddily made nike shoesYou're buying Chinese knockoffs. Say what you want about Nike's prices or often retarded designs, the shoes are well built.
I am sure the new artstyle makes autists like Grubby happy. They new models are buttfuckingly ugly and cheap looking, but at least they are "readable".
>>747650176Permanently blacklist everyone involved with Reforged in any capacity and revert it back to pre-rf (the balance changes are fine)That won't ever happen, so Blizzard is permanently dead to me.
>>747650789>No new racesWhat would be the 5th race in warcraft? Naga? Blood Elves?
>>747650843Even Grubby says the new terrain is way too busy and some of the models/portraits are ass. He's still going to play classic lmao
>>747650884Naga or Demons. They were planned to be a 5th race, but Blizzard could never finish them on time.
>>747650884>What would be the 5th race in warcraft? Naga?Yes? They've already been 75% done for 20+ years in the campaign.
>>747650952>Blizzard could never finish them on time.Blizzard couldn't make pants work on Naga
>>747623439no base building missions are the best ones and the hardest to make. go play skirmish lmao
>>747650843Did it even improve the framerate?
>>747650843Those swords could be sharper on the right. They look like foam toys.
>>747650884Satyrs
>>747650884Formula 1.
>>747650843it's a massive improvement over reforged. that footman becomes a vague, blurry grey mass once you actually play.
sounds like war forgot to craft
>>747647648Releasing a TFT-tier expansion for the same price is simply impossible today, we lost the technology, please understand
>>747650952>>747651013I'd be interested in some Naga action then. Warcraft 4, Naga faction, blizzard, get on it. It's already done.
>>747651039Actually, no I don't think so. The game still runs like shit.
>>747650827It was never a problem because the Forsaken were all undead. They unite under Sylvanas because she won back their capital and homeland from the Scourge and killed the humans that immediately tried to deport them from their property. It's the vibe of the Forsaken, it's literally in their name. Elves, dwarves, humans, it doesn't matter, they're united and the people there had always had a positive relationship with the High Elves. High Elf sorceresses and priests literally come to the land during a super plague to try to protect the people.
>>747651101I dunno. I don't have a problem with readability. But I'm also not blind.
>>747650827>Dark Ranger hero doesn’t cut it for a human undead representative sadlyUm, excuse me, did you forget THE GOAT
>>747650843Kinda shocking that the Original artstyle is still superior despite the huge jump in fidelity in definitive.
>Blizzard announces WCIV>it's filled with Shadowlands/Dragonflight/Midnight tier fanfiction disneysIopWhat is your honest reaction?
>>747651434You meant THE SIMP
>>747620934>The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim: Definitive Centennial EditionWhich is of course an improved version over the first Centennial edition that was released in 2111.
>>747651389you are also not a guy who even looks at what's happening during fights so what do I care what you have to say
>>747651450>What is your honest reaction?Pretend it didn't happen, just like with WoW.
>>747650843The terrain looks so fucking flat they should've just used AI
>>747651535The Reforged graphics are perfectly readable for everyone that's not an e-sports autist tier.The new graphics were actually made for those autists. They are those kinds of people who used to play Quake 3 with textures off.
>>747651450Nonexistent because that would be completely expected.
>>747651027just make them a tail cover?? seems pretty simple
Do you get to play as the Scarlet Crusade in this new campaign?
>>747651436Because it actually uses black color for contrast instead of making everything a colorful blur.
>>747651658Because that's the screenshot from the level editor.
>>747651680>perfectly readable for everyone that's not an e-sportsstopped reading there. This is an RTS game you shitslurping retard. Those are the ONLY players that matter. If your models aren't easily readable at a seconds glance in a big fight, you've fundamentally failed at your only job. It's shit.
>>747651434hated this model, his original was better
>>747651772noyou play as the bad guys
>>747651763>>747651027>didn't read the reply chain awardWe're not talking about WoW. This is a WCIII thread.
>>747650843>LeftSOVL>MiddleDLSS 5: On>RightMobile port
>>747651781And you can also look at any other screenshot
>>747651975Oh man, when you put them side by side like that it's really, really grim
>>747650843I hate how they managed to fuck up EVERY face.Look at the original eyes, they are sharp and focused, the definitive are wide open and goofy looking.All the other models are the same shit, they have their facial expressions all wrong.
>>747651450Blizz releasing abject garbage is expected.Something good would be surprising
>>747651975...somehow the new graphics look cheaper than the graphics from the game from 2003.
>>747651832I get that it is a Forsaken campaign, but not a single mission as any other race? Not a big fan of the Scourge faction in WC3, even less the Forsaken as a whole in WoW. So it doesn't really sound appealing, not getting to play as any other faction.
>>747651975that ground texture feels more like it came from Warcraft 2 than something from 3.
>>747650843The original looks best. I think it's because the cartooniness is better for a rts due to readability, but the low resolution tempers the cartooniness from looking too silly, so you get the best of both grittiness and caricature. WC3 barely needs better graphics, it would make better use of a bunch of additional animations (for units and props) and models (for props and creeps and modified units like giving footmen hammers or whatever) and terrain improvements (so you can make like cool caves and such for your custom maps)
>>747652010Stop complaining, you wanted your game readable. You don't get more readable than this.
>>747651975>Outsource WC3 to India>Possibly the most critical failure in reception in the company history >Outsource WC3 to India again>
>>747652110>I bought an expansion called the forsaken kingdom, why is it an undead campaign?
>Mfw they turned Garithos into an abomination They just could not let the man rest
>>747651862I read the post I replied to RETARD
>>747652293Every step on his grave is more proof he was right
Turning Arthas into LK was retarded and ultimately devalued his character. He was waaaay better as a Death Knight.
>>747652175It got worse. They didn't outsource it to India. They literally hired fans. And it turned out those turbofans and also turboautists that don't care about graphical fidelity but about clean graphics readable in high-level multiplayer. And that's the end result.
>>747652175Reforged was outsourced to a SEAmonkey country. The number of jeet is very minuscule but there are plenty of brown people.
>>747652372...said no one ever. TFT and it's story was beloved for a reason
>>747652110The prologue is human lordaeron playered before going undead
>>747652173>uhhhmmmmm it's readable now who cares that it looks objectively worse in nearly every single way to the originalchrist, blizztroons are seriously deranged
>>747652404WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FACE
>>747651975>>747650843>>747652404>that don't care about graphical fidelity but about clean graphics readable in high-level multiplayer.Godbless the fans. Finally, someone did the "HIRE FANS" and it turned out good.
>>747652713I would accept the new models if we could toggle the old terrain back on. I cannot fathom why they removed that option. The new terrain looks like plastic shit
>>747652404It looks fine, much better than Reforged, I don't know why you are all crying about.The fact that the terrain looks like shit and that they only updated the multiplayer models, are much bigger issues
>>747652869It looks absolutely buttfuckingly ugly in the campaign proper, when you need to see those models up close and the game starts looking like a toy commercial.
>>747617840they're also adding undead paladins to retail through a new questchain. I assume it also use the new established lore in the W3 new campaign
>>747650843and only one easily distinguishable from bird eye view is 1st pic
>>747652869I think its a WIP, there are many obvious oversights like wrong skin color on a portrait but accurate model. But who knows, this is blizz after all.
>>747652372TFT is just WoW-lite. Absolutely horrible plot decisions that started all the cancer that plagues Warcraft to this day.
>>747615164instead of shilling this shit how about you make the new graphics available in the other 2 campaigns blizzshill?
>>747653072Then we-I mean they'd have to update all the other models. Do you think money grows on trees? God you're so ungrateful chuddie!
>>747652971I wonder if they will continue working on it, at lot of the portraits looks so unfinished
>>747653072They won't, because that's too much work.
>>747653162I don't think they will, you got what you were asking for, now be happy and fuck off.
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>>747652869it has literally no detailsit's a giant mass of playdoh cape and armourit looks abhorrent
>>747653328You don't get it. Detail = bad. Readability = good.
>>747653372You are seething so hard ITT lmao. There is a world where we have both, it's a world with standards. You simply don't have them.
>>747620717Good morning saar
>>747653328Hey man Reforge is right there if you want more detail, you can play with whatever you want
>>747653565that's TOO many details they're overdesignedwhy are modern devs terrified of simple dirt or wear&tear
>>747653432But that's my problem with the new models. Blizzard oversteered in an opposite direction. People were complaining the Reforged models were pretty and detailed, but not readable, so Blizzard designed new models to be readable but buttfuckingly ugly at the same time.I am sure there is a middle ground here.
>>747651975How did they get the terrain so perfect the first time, yet are completely unable to even come close over 20 years later? It's baffling. The models are fine, they look good at the distance you see them 90% of the time
>>747653432>>747653635You are asking too much of the 4 unpaid fans that worked on this, Blizzard don't really have a RTS team anymore and that is why the next Starcraft is an FPS
>Removes LAN option>Adds always online requirement>Charges $30 for a single campaign with "improved" graphics that only work on that campaign
>>747653293This is the only model I've seen so far that looks like the devs actually understand just why dark contrast and shadows worked so well in the original
I'll be using the Reforged graphics if that's all the same to you.
>>747654257>leave the 3.75 trillion $ company alone!!
>>747654183Texture work is just a lost art
>>747654183No, they didn't. That's the thing that nobody wants to admit. Warcraft 3 was carried by the artstyle alone, because the actual graphics were abysmal at the time. Compare Warcraft 3 to Age of Mythology or Spellforce.
>>747648101Might be talking about one of the custom games that came with every copy of WC3. They're in the scenario folder.
Human Garek x Anya PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>747618482Not when you're rewriting history
>>747652404uhmm so can we toggle to reforged? i like them better personally...
>>747654680That terrain is much worse than Warcraft III, it's not even close. My eyes are tired just looking at it. Did you mean to post that image? It just looks like a blurry mess. Artstyle plays a huge roll, it's not separate from whether graphics look good or not. Just because your graphics are 4K on Unreal Engine 5 does not mean they will be more appealing than something with a strong stylization
>>747654921Yes, we can. Hell, the original campaigns only work with Reforged or classic graphics anyway.The new models are made with multiplayer autists in mind.
This board is so lame now lol
>>747634797Those sims add ons like the christmas content were on disc's. Its possible you're thinking of the ubiquitous mods for the sims 1. Some were resold as "extra content" - LGR reviews one of them. https://youtu.be/k8DSLofTJmY?si=EqLmUP3_Zg6BJ7cS
GAREK is soooooooooooo LUCKY he gets to DICK down Anya pussy every fucking night
>>747649362kek this
>>747655073>quick, they're discussing the fidelity of the game instead of twitterposting about ships and posting porn>unleash the marketing jeets
>>747651975oh boy
>>747651975they 100% used an Ai filter for the textures and call it a day
>Standard Definition Plus (SD+) for Warcraft 3 refers to a set of upgraded classic-style asset models. Blizzard originally created these assets in 2015 for the StarCaft II editor. They give the game a cleaner look while keeping the exact style of the 2002 originalHmm. While looking up image comparisons i stumbled upon this SD+ which i didn't know about.
>>747655402Oh, they have definately AI-upscaled a lot of models. Case in point - Blood Mage.They actually got his cape wrong.
>>747615164>first mission is to look for flowersAlso the plot in general is goddamn sovlless and generic
>>747655543Reforged looks so out of place my fucking God. It's like he belongs in another game altogether.
>>747655402>>747655543they also turned the voodoo lounge's chimney into some kind of random toxic goo vat and changed the altar of storms boars into wolves
>>747615164The character models are still the same stiff and souless animations like reforged, just less abrasive visually and keeps some of the original cartoony style by... using mobile game model designs. They are very static and they failed to hit the mark once again. Also When I first saw the Knight model portrait I nearly fell off my chair in laughter, it's really fucking bad.The story is also really on the nose. Only a bit into the forsaken part and they are so desperate for the player to like the new Garek "a better and cooler Arthas that you should all love!" DudeguyIt is so forced all the way to the point where he dies and has the flash back of conversations same as Arthas, he has a mentor in Not Uther who tries to teach him patience instead of vengeance etc etc. So far Varimatharus isn't even showing up, just Sylvanas in her WoW form instead of the survivor from WC3. Not to mention the bad references and nudges CONSTANTLY, because the writers can't do anything subtley. There is a fucking Starcraft Marine front and center in one of the early level cutscenes, where as originally things like a random zerg unit you would only find through map vision cheat or by fucking around for ages removing all the trees in a campaign as an easter egg. Looks ok and the RPG elements are fun enough for a Rexxar campaign, but there are a lack of real RTS parts so far.TLDR: Over hyped but is an ok Forsaken wank Rexxar inspired campaign addition.
>>747655543>>747655667Listening to the faggot who wanted everything to look like the pandaland cinematic was a huge and expensive mistake
not playing it because i dont pay for reheated goyslop you fucking retarded nigger faggot shill
>>747655490Those SC2 models look great, and this is coming from someone with a pathological need to shit on every big and little thing nublizzard doesWhy the FUCK didn't they just use those
>>747655871You've never played Warcraft.
>>747655667It makes sense when you realize that Reforged tried to differentiate the models between generic heroes and named heroes. The Classic and Definitive uses the Kael'thas model, while Reforged gives the generic Blood Mage their own models.
>>747621598people just piss themself these days from fear that the series get shelfed right away if it doesn't make bank.Publisher basically hold old niche series captive, maybe they shit out shitty remaster/remake or half assed sequel while subtly stating that if you don't buy then apparently nobody is interested in the series anymore.
>>747628926>this costs 30 fucking dollars in 2026 CE>not patching it inthis is how far we have fallen
So why should I play this instead of Curse of the Forsaken? Except for the fact that Reforged 3.0 broke all the custom campaigns, because of course?
>>747655756>VarimatharusHe's in
>>747649958Luhmao
>>747649819It was explained in WoW, but it was that the Horde returned to establish connections with the Frostwolf Clan again because Thrall left them behind during his Exodus because they claimed land against the Dwarves. They brought the Tauren and Magatha Grimtotem met with and established an alliance with Sylvanas for Thrall. Basically a security/trade pact that gave the Horde a foothold in exchange for retaking Lorderon. Thrall technically doesn't get much, but he wasn't asked to do much besides send willing allies.
>>747651975Can I still use the Reforged models?
>>747656627Yes, thankfully. Because those new models look very painful up close.
>>747656727They look like complete shit.
>>747647693I'm not the one posting/defending tranime
>>747655913i was literally a top 100 1v1 player on us west
The new "humanlike" models look absolutely cursed. The monsterlike models look alright, but holy shit, the uncanny valley on the rest of them...
>>747651831Yeah, this model is literally the guy who took what was written about Legion and BFA that Metzin left behind and then added his failed MMO plot to create Shadowlands, Dragonflight and the War Within and Midnight. Steve Drausner's shit caked bootycheek writing and Christine Goldens WAHMAN writing are unfortunitely never gonna be removed from the game.
>>747615164Are custom lobbies getting full again?
>>747655896>Why the FUCK didn't they just use thoseWe just don't know. Maybe the dudes who made them were long gone or they were registered as belonging to another game or something.
>>747656947>doesn't post proofSure thing bro.
>>747657020No.Because a) new patch broke like 90% of custom maps, b) the game is now always online and custom map players are not happy about it.
>>747655896>Why the FUCK didn't they just use thoseBecause>WE KNOW BETTER>DO THE BETTERER MODELSAnd now we are 2 revisions in.
>>747657028Those models don't even look all that good to begin with. It's 2026, we can do better than some low-poly model.
>>747656984>paizuri top restoredwtf I love blizzard now?
Man, I love undeads but I hate nublizzard
>>747657061it was like ten+ years ago nigga. look up kahtwoloo for yourself. i'm getting some gay error when i try to go the classic battle.net ladder page.
Why does this look so India? lmao
>>747615164what mobile game is this?
>>747657532Because you're obsessed
>>747655609Yep it doesn't take any risk and doesn't add anything to the story. Nothing new.I wish they would have made something else than WoW.
>>747656984>the uncanny valley on the rest of them...That term doesn't mean what you think it means.>>747657532This one looks like something between heroes of the storm and a mobile game.
Mobile games have better graphics than this
>>747623624Is a patch considered DLC?
>>747651975The bottom looks... lifeless... dead. Like a mobile game.
>>747618482I think it's cool, when I was younger I was always bummed about games dying and stopping all support.
>>747652372They had no idea what to do with him so they turned him into a raid boss. Same for nershul
>>747657798They literally made the circlet grow out of her head.
>>747656984this looks better, just missing the eyes tho
>>747652404reforged looks way better than the other two here
>>747652404No, but seriously, what the fuck is going on with the archer's cape in the def edition model?
>>747658293>what the fuck is going on with the archer's cape in the def editionIt's actually closer to the classic version compared to Reforged.
>>747658293its covering the shoulder pat and like everything else it looks like pastic
>>747615164Four base armor are you fucking insane?
>>747658408Yes, but the reason why the archer's cape looked weirdly like that was the limited polygon count. You don't need to slavishly copy THAT in 2026.
>>747656984what the fuck are those straps on the definitiveI say this as someone who doesn't care a lot for WC3 or Blizzard at all. The Reforged style is good, but I can see why people don't like it. I've seen another comparison picture yesterday and even I could tell that they replaced characters with a generic look-a-like who vaguely reinterpret the original designs like a shitty ai gen.
>>747658709Garterbelt but she is wearing socks instead.
Why did they censor Whitemane's thighs? I also heard they censored a bunch of the cleavage in the DE graphics too
>>747658537>was the limited polygon count.>You don't need to slavishly copyPeople wanted upgraded versions of those units, not a reimagining. Saying "we have the technology" means jack shit when the aim isn't replacing the whole game with Hots models.
All the clothes and armor look like cartoonish plastic
>>747658709>The Reforged style is good, but I can see why people don't like it.You may not like it, but it was at least made by actual humans and there was A LOT of autistic effort put into those models, including making sure every random critter model is unique.The more I'm looking at those new models, the more I question if those models were made by humans at all.
>>747659254>the more I question if those models were made by humans at all.And that's a good thing!
I guess people are easy to please.
>>747659657What the fuck lol
How does Reforged run in the original graphics? I've never played it but thought maybe I should get it to play through the campaigns again in the original graphics. Only played the original warcraft 3 back in the day.
>>747659657This shit is just visual noise. What in the world...
>>747659254>reforged model looks like a totally different character, not even the same fur color, clothing or weaponHow, HOW do you look at that and say "Yep, perfect, it looks nothing like the old one!"
>>747658813>garters on short socks that aren't even visible maybe it makes sense, I never gave it any thought how people kept clothing in place before the invention of elastane. A quick search just told me that socks are a relatively young invention.That being said it still looks stupid.
>>747659791You are defending the AI-upscaled models.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? He looks like a henchman for a Batman villain. This is supposed to be a cunning, manipulative devil.
>>747659657dreadlord is the only one who doesn't completely dogshit, ffs.
>>747659882>You are defending the AI-upscaled models.If AI does a better job than humans, are we supposed to nod politely and choose the inferior option?
See? Even fans can't fix this.
take the models, put them in hd. add quality of life improvements. how fucking hard is it for you blizzard executives to understand?
>>747660003I don't think AI counts as a fan
>>747659657Acolyte - original, but the definitive is almost okGhoul - original easyNecro - definititve is actually kinda solidBanshee - originalAbo - originalDeath Knight - gonna be honest all three are kinda shit now that I look at them togetherLich - original easy, the fuck are those other twoDreadlord - definitive goes a bit too much into brute jaw territory, but actually kinda neat? reforged is retarded as fuck
Garek for Hots
>>747659908WTAF is that supposed to be a dreadlord?
>>747615164How good is the new campaign compared to RoC or TFT? Worth the 30€?
>>747659657anyone run those original portraits through an ai HD reimagination so we can compare the result.I feel like ai would be less inclined to change the shape of a models head.
>NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN posting isn't allowed anymore because AI is the new golden calf
>>747659657Definitive acolyte looks too angry, he's supposed to be a lifeless servant. Abomination and ghoul literally look like plastic toys.
>>747659908curse of the wow pauldrons have infected everything, it's over!>>747660189>Necro - definititve is actually kinda solidno it fucking doesn't, completely different expression + the eyes don't glow.Same shit for the dreadlord, the original has some kind of smoke coming out of the eyes which none of the other 2 have.
>>747659657Reforged Abomination looks like a random stalker enemy from those indie horror games. What the fuck were they thinking? Also the definitive models look more cartoony for some reason even though the original ones were already super cartoony to begin with. They just need to be slightly grittier in my opinion.
>747659908the earring on his right is pretty gay, not gonna lie
>>747660196I would've announced him.In fact, I'd have made an Undead Paladin trailer spanning>WC3>D4 skin>Retail WoW>WoW Forever>HotSAnd made Garek the face of this Blizzcon. It's the closest thing to a unifying, cross-marketing facet this Blizzcon had.
>>747660414No glow, sure, but I like the long beard old dude look, the original is a bit of a mess compared to the other models. The original has a beard too, just not visible in the portrait, and I'm just comparing those.
>>747623624What about the Founding of Durotar campaign?I member TFT had only the first part, some years later I saw parts 2 and 3 added for free.
>>747657241this is the problem with "blizzard", just a bunch of nobodies that are trying to "own" the old guard that all left blizzard by showing the world they can do better than those chuds
>>747650176Blizzard is just an extension of the feds at this point. How about a nice revolution? Or at the very least a lynching.The fact that people call this abomination blizzard at all is so aggravating.
>decide to play Founding of Durotar on a whim>new patch fucked that up toolol
>>747659657I actually prefer Reforged over Definitive because they tried to adhere to the more realistic heavy metal look. Execution is flawed but I think it's more faithful to the intent of the original, and it doesn't look like a mobile game.
I don't play censored demakes.
>>747660271No.It's the Rexxar campagin, but Forsaken-focused and stretched over 30 hours.
>>747661039pretty sure the OG founders of blizzard all went bankrupt/ penniless and got bought out by activison. david brevik has been pushed to shadow realm and chris metzen is just there as a spokesman with no power. basically the colonel sanders
>>747661242Yeah, I feel like Reforged was trying to interpret Samwise's original concept art, because now we have the tech to make them work, while the Definitive Edition was trying to intepret WC3's low poly models.
>>747633424middle mouse drag is superior
Who asked for MORE sylvanas wanking?
>>747633730>Varianwowslop>>747642021map makers helped work on this including the guy who made curse of the forsaken.
>>747661951Danhauser I think.
>>747615164thats not WC3 what is thisWC3 models dont look like that
>>747661981>including the guy who made curse of the forsaken.And Blizzard ensured him that the new patch won't break his custom campaign.And then it utterly broke his custom campaign.
>>747615164this is how WC3 looks bruh someone scammed you
>>747662116It's the remastered "HIRE THE FANS" artstyle.
>>747618482stupid satania!but you are right it's a cash grab
This companies are the biggest kike on earthThey literally refuse to make a proper remaster like any other company would and instead hire some modders for a modded tier campaign and sold this $30?? (that's the price of TFT btw).
>>747662259idk wtf you're talking about but op is either lying or hes been scammed. warcraft 3 isnt the thing in his image
>>747662421And the joke is that some of the best campaigns are for free. They could've just officially release those, especially since its creator works for Blizzard anyway, instead of coming up with this new campaign.
Game is old as shit, take off the rote tinted glassed and wake the f up.
>>747661543blizzard sold out long before activision newfriend
>>747663112think I'll keep playing old games instead
>>747652404el goblina...
>>747660189>Necro - definititve is actually kinda solidstopped reading immediately, you are fucking retarded
>>747660189Sorry, but the Definitive Edition portraits are shit.Necro especially looks like a pissed off Panoramix. Also, what the fuck is going on with that lich?
Definitive Edition 2: Reforged will look so good that $30 price tag will hit like crack when blizzard launches it in 6 years
They would have made infinite money had they simply made a new engine and do a proper remaster, thus killing LoL and Dota. Instead they split furthermore the playerbase with Hots and reforged, games that nobody asked.
Anyone know if it's possible to convert the campaign mpq to w3x files for the levels and thus pirate it? Or is it something completely different?
>>747663112>game is old as shitthats why its good
god i would hate to try to appeal to you 45 year old balding morons, thank god you'll all be dead in 10 years at the most overdosing on diet coke neurotoxins and chicken nugget plastic shards, god take you
>I managed to refund the expansion>Blizzard removed it from my account>but they didn't give me my money backDid I just got scammed?
>>747663830take one look at the OP image, it's clearly not running strictly on worldedit so just copy/pasting the campaign maps wouldn't work even if you could
>>747663996These additional UI elements are normal in post 1.30(i think) or reforged warcraft 3, a lot of custom maps have them too.
>>747663986Seething shitslurper alert. Have a rotten day
>>747663986You one of those hive workshop boys who worked on this new campaign for a shoutout and some shitty wow mug merchandise?
>>747651975>Looks less detailed/textured>Still cuts the FPS in halfHow do they do it? how do they manage to change things to be simultaneously worse in two different ways?!
remember when patches added stuff for free?
>>747664478It's the ridiculously sharp textures, I suppose.The more I look at those new models the more I feel they were made backwards.
>>747663986In the unlikely chance this is a genuine post, the only thing you need to do to appeal to these "45 year old balding morons" is to make the game look similar to the original. It's a difficult concept to grasp but if you can handle that you'll have a major success story on your hands
>>747650620It is pure lazyness and greed. If they bothered to do all main factions units and building for MP, how much there could possibly be left ?? Some peasants, few demons and neutral mercs? It just show blizzfags dont really give a shit.
How should one even play this game now? Versions up to 1.26 are untouched by the deforged team and have no singleplayer bugs but also have an arbitrary code execution exploit in custom maps to the point that even hovering your mouse over a compromised map in the in-game file browser will pwn your PC. 1.29.2 is officially supported as a classic version by Blizzard's own launcher and is currently available even if you have reforged but it still has bugs in the campaigns the deforged team introduced so the only thing that version really has going for it is Blizzard's official backing which means jackshit since they constantly flip-flop on everything. Installing it standalone without Blizzard's launcher is however still an option. And then there's the latest version which is online only and the latest patch forces you to download the files for the new graphics even if you didn't buy them, bloating the install from 2GB to 22GB. Yes again. They did that when reforged first launched, then undid it years later and now did it again with the definitive models. Due to its nature of being turned into shit overnight by Blizzard I do not consider playing the latest version viable. Nightmare mode, I still want to make and play custom maps and campaigns.
>>747651975WHERE IS THE GRIT ??
>>747663986Yea you're right, this "expac" is a banger, and it will bring tons of new players to warcraft!
>>747651975what an eyesore
>>747651975Found the best word finally, it looks "plastic". Like new toys just fresh out of the box, too clean, too shiny. Next to it og looks way more "real".
>>747664862A whole fucking lot, actually. Every single campaign unit is not touched.This means Thrall, Arthas, Jaina, every single campaign-specific character, every single campaign-specific asset and so on.
>>747651975please for the love of everything that is holy just leave this game ALONE blizzard
>>747665220That's what happen when you do literally a half ass job. You need a new engine if you're gonna use modern materials.
>>747664862I'd say it was a smart choice and proof of their uncertainty in their own ability to upgrade the visuals. Instead of going all-in on the shit art style they had a moment of pause and considered "maybe this actually looks like ass" so remastering it a second time would be a wasted effort.
Why wouldn't they put the HOTS team on this for christ sake. Why the HOTS project instead of remaking wc3?
>>747665516Why pay a team when you can have HiveWorkshop autists work for free?
>>747665095thats what your mother said when she saw you
>>747665595Then they should have let them get access to the engine source code to update it. The rendering and performance are awful.
>>747663986Didn't you say this about Reforged and then everyone on Earth laughed in your face and refunded it?
>>747651975is this a joke?looks like they could've achieved the same effect by running an upscaler and a cheap cartoon filter
>>747651975>Reforged somehow has more grit than this fucking plastic
>>7476649621.26, but you play with friends only and only download maps from epicwar that have been uploaded in the past 2 decades
>>747651975Here is the ultimate proof that video games (or rather the people making games) were simply better 20+ years ago. One of the biggest gaming companies on earth tried for the second time to improve graphics of a game from 2002 and failed AGAIN.
>>747665516the hots team got cannibalized and most of their devs left
>>747665928It's more about Blizzard simply being reactionary>how remember how people complained that the new graphics are too detailed? Now we want you to do the opposite.
>>747653635>I am sure there is a middle ground here.Yeah, it's called "classic graphics".
>>747666219the issue was the graphics looked like shit. just removed the blockyness and straight edges and give hd quality. that is what we wanted.
>>747651975>>747665838ok.. so we need og surface, reforged trees, and definitive units (with more shadows). make it happen blizzzz
>>747664962guess that guy who was remaking the engine in Javascript will receive a ton of donations now, last time I seen his videos the engine was already pretty good.
>>747666351That what you got in the Definitive Edition.
>>747666519yes but without proper art director
>>747665516>he thinks all those white, straight devs are still on blizzahhh, I wish I was this naive again...
>>747666621Who cares, the units are now readable in multiplayer.
>>747659908Dreddlord.
kinda amazing the d2 and starcraft remasters were so successful compared to w3. even w1-2 was successful
Whatever dangerhair coven of freakshows has a stranglehold on the Warcraft IP right now absolutely fucking refuses to do right by old fans. They desperately want to attract the same goblins that play nu-WoW and seem to actively hate the core fanbase
>>747666369what you need to do is to play the original game or fuck off
>>747667197abolish intellectual property and copy right laws.
>>747666997Because wc3 is 3D
>>747621691will you buy one of them?
>>747666997the starcraft remaster had plenty negative feedback and doesn't look very good, it's barely a visual improvement by staying close to the original design, but it being higher fidelity makes it look cartoony.Gook ate it up anyway.
>>747663991yes
