This game is fucking dogshit like wowAfter how fun Project Reignition I thought I'd give Black Knight a try and >the most boring brain dead hack n slash>worse level design than Secret Rings somehow because of the combat focus >boss battles range between braindead mashing one button or King Arthur's "fuck you sometimes I just won't let you attack me" nonsense >Shadow Knuckles and Blaze all control like absolute unbelievable horse manure. I am not fucking kidding when I say they all controlled better in Sonic 06. No not Project 06, SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 2006.The story is fine, the music is fine, but oh my lord this game was genuine dogshit to play. I used to wonder why they never made a third storybook and now I know why, it's cause they fucking sucked. I can't believe Kishimoto is now in charge of game design after this
People made fun of IGN for thinking the game was over after King Arthur and giving it a 3, but if they finished the rest of the game that shit would've gotten a 1/10The second half of the game is bad
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>>747616887maaan I don't care what you people saythe enviorments and music were amazing, the story was cool as fuck because Sonic was in an epic medieval fantasy setting with a talking sword and the even the gameplay was fuckin cool!You gotta speed through these epic castles and caves and hack and slash through all these bandits and evil knights and shit, and every time you fuck up and die it takes only a second to get back to where you were except for on very specific levels.Plus, it was fun to replay short levels and try to beat your time record!Good game. Fuck you if you disagree. Good ass game. It'll always be close to my heart and I'll take a flawed by awesome ass game with heart over another gay ass open world third person BLOATSLOP trash that you freaks love to worship so much.
>>747619246It sucks
>>747616887It was the last game that had any good characterization of Sonic. It may have been the game with the best characterization of Sonic. He literally dooms the storybook world to certain destruction because he hates the alternative of the dark queen freezing it in time, saying that a life that never ends isn't one worth living
>>747616887>>the most boring brain dead hack n slashuse the homing attack spinning slash>>worse level design than Secret Rings somehow because of the combat focus youre the problem if you cant into the games combat>>boss battles range between braindead mashing one button or King Arthur's "fuck you sometimes I just won't let you attack me" nonsenselol skill issue its just a quick time event>>Shadow Knuckles and Blaze all control like absolute unbelievable horse manure. I am not fucking kidding when I say they all controlled better in Sonic 06. No not Project 06, SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 2006.their basic movement isnt very different from sonic their attacks just arent as suited to speed
>>747621749>their attacks just arent as suited to speedAside from Knuckles I think Shadow and Blaze work well for speed. Blaze is bad for platforming since her dash has so much horizontal air time and no easy way to cancel it. Shadow is just Sonic but a touch slower and has Chaos Snap.
>>747616887I haven't seen progress on this. With all the recomps I've tried Sonic Unleashed (looks really good and pretty fun too) and Sonic and the Secret Rings. Sonic 06 is getting a recomp too and I think I'd rather wait for it since it has an actual story mode unlike the other one.I'm not a huge fan of the Sonic series obviously.
Jimmy Neutron ass characters. Welcome to Spagonia. Let's get out of here Chip.
>>747625306I only played the Wii version of Unleash which didn't have a 3D hub. Was really surprised to find out it was completely different than the PS3/360 version
>>747625513Dabbing on tendies always a good time
>>747625513Finding out Empire City wasn't in the Wii version is what made me get a 360 back then
*disregards your post*LIKE THE SUN (THE SUN)I RUN (I RUN)INTO THE HEAT OF DAYLIKE A KNIGHT (LIKE A KNIGHT)I'LL FIGHT (I'LL FIGHT)UNTIL THE FIGHT IS WONIN A RAGE (A RAGE)I'LL SAVE (I'LL SAVE)EACH AND EVERYEACH AND EVERYEACH AND EVERYONE UNTIL THIS WAR IS WONAND I LIIIIIIIIVETO RUUUUUULE
So how does a fan remake project theoretically make Black Knight less shit to play besides the core principle of no waggle
I think its pretty dogshit to play but conceptually and aesthetically it was cool. I liked everything about the game outside of the act of actually playing it.
>>747624103Play recent Sonic games, the old ones are all bad. Why do you think this franchise almost died? Suggesting to play old games should be forbidden
>>747616887I'd rather have this over how fucking voided and empty Frontiers was
>>747626848You don't, you just want to be contrarian
>>747627058Nah that's just you being contrarian to shill
>>747627146I'm not the one defending an unplayable game just because you don't want Sonic to be open world
>>747627212Nah, that's just you making a random assumption that I haven't played the game while I did when I owned a modded wii and I can safely say this game does more than what Frontiers couldn't.Or let me guess, you're one of those faggots who is still stuck so far up your own asshole cavity to believe Sonic is only about speed?
>>747627290>Sonic is only about speedMaking Sonic stop every 5 seconds to kill enemies is objectively shit game design. You should be able to move the sword around WHILE you move. It was a mistake and Sega knows. Frontiers had much more thought put into it, its an upgrade in everything
>>747627423You can literally slice through enemies. Besides, Frontiers still has the same problem of being an automated garbage where you can just mash homing attack, no level design whatsoever despite larping itself as an open world
>>747624103>Sonic 06 is getting a recomp too and I think I'd rather wait for it since it has an actual story mode unlike the other one.I played through the entire recomp on steam deck I think last year and outside of some shadow (as in lighting not the character) bugs which I believe are fixed, it was totally fine. The short loading screens also made the game way more playable.
>>747627613>AutomatedYou didn't climb the towers and it shows
>>747627670>not defending the either lackluster or dogshit level designslmao no wonder frontiers dissipated with meek shills like that
>>747626032Same way Project Reignition turned Secret Rings from a 2/10 to a solid 7/10>No waggle shit >Fixed the controls so Sonic isn't auto running and can move forward or back normally like the other games >most of the "um you have to unlock the good controls first" skills bullshit are automatically unlocked >Secret Rings isn't playing on every single menu so you don't get sick of the song >Did some minor gameplay and QOL tweaks to the level design so it flows better (they still left in some bad shit like the moving slowly across ledges sadly)>Instead of mindlessly doing 4 or 5 of the same retarded missions per world to unlock a Ring it streamlines it and only has you do the main act plus one or two others along with the boss>Also you can unlock all the Rings before you fight Erazor so you can go on to the final boss I fucking hated Secret Rings but that project is fun as fuckIf he did it for Black Knight he could fix a lot of the garbage in there too
>>747626848Black Knight aesthetically is a 10/10 but gameplay wise it's a hard FFrontiers looos ugly and was janky but at least it was fun to play and run around in
>>747627849>they still left in some bad shit like the moving slowly across ledges sadly)You can by pass it using Speed Break and Sliding(I think it was sliding)>Instead of mindlessly doing 4 or 5 of the same retarded missions per world to unlock a Ring it streamlines it and only has you do the main act plus one or two others along with the bossIt was actually always like that. What the dev did was indicate which mission was next for story progression and blocking off the next area until you had that area's World Ring. The mission order per region is the exact same otherwise.
>>747628215Oh really? I didn't know about those two things, neat
Oh boy here comes the apologistsSecret ring is shit >the fan mod fixes everything, the game isn't longer shit >Secret rings was never shitIt happened with P06, I have seen the script
>>747629981Not a single person has said Secret Rings isn't shit.It's still garbageThe fan mod is good and fixes shit but the original game is still dogshit
>>747616887Doesn't sanic btfo every single nihilist (((philosopher))) in this one?
>>747629725Yeah, I guess Sega did it to extend playtime or it was a consequence of the game being super rushed but the missions it has you do are the one's attached to progression. But they unlocked other missions at the same time so unless you followed a guide or got lucky you'd have no idea what the order is.
>>747631815Sonic is a Reddit mod don't listen to his chud sayings
The gameplay is dogshit but this is the last time Sonic acted like himself It was a good send off
>>747631815No, saying "everything dies" isn't profound
>>747616887It’s made for Wii waggle controls
>>747631815Yes, my KING is UNREFUTED
>>747635010Reminder Sonic lost and Caliburn bailed him out
>>747616887>Project ReignitionOh shit thank you for this. Been going through all the modern Sonic games and I don't have my old Wii copy. Currently playing through Unleashed.
>>747636040>Reminder Sonic TANKEDYup, yup! And at 0 rings too!Merlina stood no chance, bitches always lose to the 'hog
>>747634496In games yeah. If you haven't I recommend the manga. Knuckles finally appeared and this was the best he's been written in years. If you hate how he's been treated as a bitch made to lose all the time you'll love his chapter
>>747636243>only even WON because of CHADOW cheering him on Sonic? LANCELOT THE CHAD'S bitchConfession? Seeded.
>>747636145>Project ReignitionIt's pretty much the Project 06 to Secret Rings. I'll never go back to the original after playing it >>747636382You know, I've kept hearing a lot of good stuff about the manga. I might as well check it out later
>>747616887Way better than Secret Cock Rings.
Live Life is the best Crush 40 song btw https://youtube.com/watch?v=KToROLFBsgc
>>747632391>reddit>chudthis board sucks man
>>747637824People say things you don't like, suck it up dork
>>747629981I have seen more people claim that people say this than people that actually say thisInfinity times more to be exact
>>747616887Yeah, it was bad. It was at least bad in an interesting way, though, compared to Forces or Frontier where they're just lazily following what they think people want. Nobody asked for Secret Rings, Black Knight or Unleashed. And that makes them a bit more notable. They'd be much more notable if they were good, but you know.
>>747616887>Project ReignitionI played it. Secret Rings is still bad. I'll grant that a few annoyances have been alleviated, but ultimately, it's the same shit as Project 06. The fundamental issues are still there, it's just the moment to moment gameplay issues have been smoothed out to the point where it's tolerable to play for most people now, at best. Even with auto run off, the game is still built around it being on, so it still largely plays itself. The level design is still a big hallway. The missions are still annoying. Characters are constantly yapping. It's certainly playable, and it's a fun novelty like Project 06 was, but that's really all it is. The idea that you can "fix" dogshit like Secret Rings or Black Knight without a complete rework from the ground up, or by simply fixing major complaints with them, (removing autorun from Secret Rings or wagglan from Black Knight) is just silly. It highlights Sonic fans' blindspots for game design for the sake of nostalgia, or how Sonic is characterized, or voice acted, over anything else.Black Knight would be no different, if it got remade. Same game, just slightly less shit than it was before. Suddenly the game is peak, and it always was, apparently. >>747629981You're a bit early in the cycle, but yeah give it a little more time and it's 100% correct. The same thing happened with Sonic '06 after it got its fan remake. Hell, you've always had Secret Rings apologists and defenders, so it won't take too long. Sonicfags are very predictable creatures, if nothing else.
>>747640241>>747629981Cmon dude you're not fooling anyone lol
>>747640241I never played reignition. Secret Rings is fun on its own. Black Knight is fun on its own. People got filtered by waggling because theyre too obese or retarded to shake the wii mote instead of pressing a button. In reality, its not that hard.>Even with auto run off, the game is still built around it being on, so it still largely plays itself.It doesnt play itself, neither of the two games are that much easier than any other game after adventure. Regardless, the bulk of the challenge comes from going for high ranks anyway, just like any other 3d sonic game post sonic unleashed.>The missions are still annoying.Theyre too short to be annoying>Characters are constantly yapping.Are you one of those "Sonic has too many friends" guys?>The idea that you can "fix" dogshit like Secret Rings or Black Knight without a complete rework from the ground up, or by simply fixing major complaints with them, (removing autorun from Secret Rings or wagglan from Black Knight) is just silly.I agree, Secret Rings and Black Knight were always good despite their flaws because the fundamental design and concepts werent bad and people were just nitpicking>Suddenly the game is peak, and it always was, apparently.Not suddenly, it always was, people that say its good after this or that fan patch are posers just like the kind of faggots that play Megaman X5 or X6 with stupid tweaks romhacks, they hate videogames with friction that challenge them hence they refuse to play anything short of "perfect" for fear of playing something outside their comfort zone
