So you wanted Retail right?>NoBut you like Retail right?>NoBut like, you WANT Retail don't you?>No thanksBut Retail is great isn't it?>No it's shitYEAH YOU WANT RETAIL*gives you retail*
Nobody thinks about retail more than classic obsessives it seems
What about this is like retail?
classic always was retail conversion therapy. thats why they have shared sub. they first tried running through the expansions again but the playerbase cratered on cata and mop as expected. then they made SoD which managed to lure classictards in with the early phases. but again playerbase was gone when the game turned into endgame slop. now they're back to their tricks this time with the most shameless act of conversion therapy: they're just releasing a retail expac while calling it classic.
>>747617708There is way too much retail stuff in WoW Forever for it to kill most of the hype for me. Blizzard is still convinced that Retail is superior, so they think they're improving the game by replacing the game with superior Retail UI. Why not add those cool store mounts? A new race, transmogs. Etc.>>747618078https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7-M0puRIkk
>>747617708I played Classic until end of Wrath, won't be playing this time. Mostly because I don't have time but I probably wouldn't even if I did. I was a GM
yo we heard you like horizontal progression
>>747618509Are you gonna answer my question?
>>747618749they must not have paid attention to diablo 4 when people shit on it for this exact same crap they’re doing
>>747617708>>747618509>>747618749>>747618958ok so dont play it
They don't need you. You are not the target audience despite what they claim.They want loyal slop eatimg paypig whales from retail who will buy all the mounts, pets, furniture and boosts to move over and to hopefully bait the five potential new players out there so that at least 2 stick around and become whales too.
>>747618509what is classic plus meant to be to you? also you can choose modern or classic ui it gives you an option immediately, same with graphics and animations.
>>747618749WOW ITS JUST LIKE CATACLYSMTHIS IS TOTALLY WHAT PEOPLE WANTED
>>747619274>should we aim for the audience of 10 million subs like we used to have?>no>let's appeal only to a fraction of that
>>747618749>they specifically say species instead of racelol
Forever won. Turdle is dead and retail is no longer the flagship version of WoW. Face it, faggots. You lost.
>Classic Plus>it's actually Retail Minus
>>747619492Because they apply to shit like literal animals, anon. The races in game are still called races.
>>747619491Most f2p gachafags don't actually pay because they're too poor and brown but the companies make insane money anyway. Same model except blizzfags pay a sub fee to get shit on.
>>747619440Can you stop saying this? You can NOT have the original, vanilla UI. You can select an arrangement and position of certain elements to the positions they have in vanilla, but the elements still use the dragonflight retail graphics and designsTHERE IS NO OPTION FOR A CLASSIC UISO PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT THERE IS
>>747619704>THERE IS NO OPTION FOR A CLASSIC UIThere will be an addon for this within a week of beta starting.
>>747619891>need to download an addon to have the classic ui in classic+kill yourself
>>747619965No. I'll play the sex elves and it can't stop me. Play era.
>>747619891Why should the solution be an addon? It doesn’t make any sense. Why would a version of wow based off a 2004 release use the UI of a version of wow from 2022, with no built-in option to use the UI from 2004? It makes no sense. UI is a huge contribution to the feeling of old games. Giving an old game a modernized UI with no option to use the original is absurd
>>747619976The blue donut steele elves and the retail ui and the class changes and the retail graphics and the retail gameplay and the retail server architecture and the retail version base didn't tip you off?
Forever is Classic in the same way a tranny is a woman.
>>747620040It's not Classic, anon. It's Classic+.
>>747620010>sexthey look like something out of 2nd life lmao they are not even remotely attractive hahahaha is this what indians fap to?
>>747619274>They don't need you.heard that for years, now they are throwing a desperate hail mary trying to save themselves from a complete lay-off and having their IPs migrated to different owners. Because of me, they have had to completely abandon retail and admit its writing and gameplay is shit.
>>747620118I'm sorry to hear your dick doesn't work, anon.
>>747620087Please don’t be obtuse. Please be serious for once in your life.
>>747620040>p-p-people never used addons in classic vanilla!kek. Boldest lie I've seen for a while.
>>747620162It does work, hence when I see any nu-Blizzard product it remains limp
>>747620074>elvesSure.>retail UIconfigurable>class changesNo class plays like retail. It's branched off classic, implementing changes people wanted.>retail gameplayNot at all>retail server architectureWhy is this a bad thing? Do you want them using shitty 2004 servers? >retail version baseAlso not a bad thing. Classic uses this too
>>747620178Play era.
>>747620178You complain that it's not classic, yet you don't play on classic servers. Typical.
>>747620260>configurableyou can configure it in retail too but that doesn't change the game into not being retail>No class plays like retail.There are Horde paladins and Alliance shamans. Shamans don't 2hand. This is just like retail.>Not at allTransmog is a retail feature>Why is this a bad thing? Do you want them using shitty 2004 servers? Absolutely, considering retail servers can't handle more than 20 people in one area without severe lag>Also not a bad thing. Classic uses this tooIt doesn't
>>747620289>>747620290Least obvious pajeet shills
>>747620290THE WHOLE FUCKING THING ABOUT CLASSIC PLUS WAS IT BEING LITERALLY VANILLA WITH LIGHT UPDATES TO CLASSES, NEW ZONES AND NEE CONTENTFUNDAMENTALT CHANGIJG THINGS LIKE UI, ANIMATIONSc GRAPHICS AND OTHER THINGS WITH NO ********OPTION******* TO USE THE ORIGINAL IS FUCKING ABSURDPLEASEFUCKINGKILLYOURSELFYOUDISINENGENUOUSFUCKINGPARASITESPLEASEFUCKINGKILLYOURSELF
>>747618078First and foremost the rotationbrain wrathbabby pve structure.Vanilla was successful because it was easy and playing a class was more of a fantasy than a challenge to perform a rotation. The game loop of doing easy pve loot dispenser content and using that loot to go kill other players in the open world had massive appeal.When Tigole and Legacy of Steel joined wow development, they took their pve elitist philosophy they'd honed as Everquest raiders and transposed it onto wow, the significantly less difficult but more popular competitor mmo.Imagine if smash brothers was taken over by capcom and made into nintendo street fighter.So far the addition of abilities introduced in tbc and wrath and the concern for all specs having a pve rotation marks Forever as significantly erring towards rotationbrain catering, not to mention a significant focus on adding more dungeons.Next sharting. The open world matters significantly less if there is no physical single layer server in which you interact with the same group of players. There's no notoriety, there's no competition for resources like Devilsaurs or world buffs.This was repeated in classic phase 2 when all layering was disabled and the game became a riotous glorious bloodbath for a time. It was possible to camp BRM with a group of mages and sapper a whole raid for the sheer fun of the act.Forever is fully sharted with no physical servers and seems to fully reject this idea, moving the game away from the importance of the world and towards everything being an instance where interaction is at the discretion of the player.I could go on, particularly about the competitive advantages offered by the legacy system and the homogenization of the factions by adding paladins to horde.This would be fine if it was understood and offered, but it's being presented schizophrenically by Blizzard with frankly outright dishonest taglines like "the world matters." You have to be a fool to take them at their word.
>>747620289>>747620290These are the H1B visas that Asha ordered
Toggle off transmog, toggle off the graphics settings you don't like, remain your UI like everyone else has been doing since vanilla if you don't like it, don't buy the sex elves, and if none of that is sufficient: Play era.
>>747620492>>747620524>>747619704turdles seething golly
>>747618509>chimping out about the uiThat's the easiest thing to fix with addons. If you want Classic plus in the same clunky engine a la Turtle WoW, RavenCraft is right there.
>>747620567I won't play anything thanks, moreover I will convince everyone else to not play it as well. I will run propaganda for whatever anti-Blizzard rumour exists, I will meme every new Blizzard release into oblivion. I will shit up your threads from now until you expire.
>>747620492>THE WHOLE FUCKING THING ABOUT CLASSIC PLUS WAS IT BEING LITERALLY VANILLA WITH LIGHT UPDATES TO CLASSESNo, I wanted a vanilla feeling world with new content and fairly substantial class changes. I got exactly that. I'm glad this is for me. I'm sorry it's not for you. Play era.
>>747620492people are realizing this is all they're ever gonna get, so they're trying to be supportive
>>747620670>That's the easiest thing to fix with addonsIt's classic, it shouldn't be fixed with addons, it should just look like that. That's the point of classic. Hint: it's in the name.
>>747620691>No, I wanted a vanilla feeling worldIt's not though, that's obvious
>>747620631It's adorable when they lash out over losing their mediocre server and not being handed something that was never meant for them in the first place as compensation.
>>747620732>Hint: it's in the name.Which one? Forever? >>747620764>Tie a rope around your neck and kick off the chairNo.
>>747620783This picture is never wrong
>>747617708Uh oh, the definitely not retail players are going to be angrily replying to you now.
>>747620379>There are Horde paladins and Alliance shamans. Shamans don't 2hand. This is just like retail.Damn I guess Burning Crusade is just Retail then>Transmog is a retail featureJust toggle it off>Absolutely, considering retail servers can't handle more than 20 people in one area without severe lagThat's not a fault of the servers but 20+ years of spaghetti code>It doesn'tIt does. I remember Classic original was based off of the Legion client
>>747620912>Damn I guess Burning Crusade is just Retail thenYes it is, precisely, now you're understanding.The idea of Classic+ is to have a WoW that did not go down the TBC route.
>>747620732Except "Classic" isnt in the name. This is WoW: Forever, a reboot of the mmo as a whole
>>747619976void elf esque oc donutsteel blood elf recolors with 0 lore foundation, achievements. transmog, account wide, phasing, quest helper, post-dragonflight UI, post-WoD character models, actual retail creature models being tossed into it, body type 1&2
>>747620964There was a big poll for Classic+ and the majority wanted Alliance Shamans and Horde PaladinsWhich is good. Because exclusive classes to factions was always retarded
WoW Forever should only run on shitty XP PCs from 2003 for the authentic Classic experience. Anything beyond that isn't Classic anymore, chuds.
>>747621034>There was a big poll for Classic+ and the majority wanted Alliance Shamans and Horde PaladinsBecause the people they polled were Retail players>Because exclusive classes to factions was always retardedNo it isn't, because it gives the factions a unique flavour and depth. Unfortunately you've been consuming homogenized retail slop for too long to realise this.
>>747620964>The idea of Classic+ is to have a WoW that did not go down the TBC route.Your idea of Classic+. My idea is Classic+ is an expanded vanilla world with new content and substantially improved class gameplay and balance. Vanilla WoW class design is laughably fucking terrible. I can tell just from looking at talent trees that Forever is substantially better. I'm thrilled. Sorry it's not for you. Era still is.
>>747618749>In forest and Woodlands, gain +3 spell piercingGenuinely SOVL, cant believe people complain about this
You can tell that Foreverfags are just retailturds by how they scorn and hold people who actually want classic to be classic in contempt and tell them to "just leave" if they don't like it.
>>747621005Nice so it's just retail? I'll wait for the real classic+ then
>>747620524>vanilla didn't have rotationshaving only one damaging spell or ability you use for 99% of the fight is still a rotation.
>>747621135>Sorry it's not for you.It's supposed to be for him. He's a classic player, and this is meant to be "classic plus".Instead it's for you, a retail player, and it's just another branch of retail catering to retail players.That says all it has to.
>>747621135>My idea is Classic+ is an expanded vanilla world with new contentSame, except for me the new content has to actually be good, and not dogshit, which blue elves and the new dungeons clearly are.>substantially improved class gameplay and balance. Vanilla WoW class design is laughably fucking terrible.That's incorrect, the class design in vanilla is peak, it's the only time the classes actually felt unique. Now we're just getting more homogenized retail slop, which is all you've known in your life because you're a mentally ill shit eater with no taste who exists just to consume next product.
>>747619492worgen are not human and nothing the gilnean furries say will change that
these threads are reminding me of when chris chan was sperging out because sonics arms were blueim sure most of it isnt genuine because modern 4chan is a bot and thirdie infested shithole but its fun to imagine people genuinely losing their minds over this shit
>>747620764You're quite angry, considering that literally nothing would have satiated you. You people are unpleasable, as classic showed us.
>>747621153I didn't ask for gay new retail stats like spell piercing
>>747621165The bright side is true classic+ private servers will continue to thrive and in 2 years Forever will have lost 90% of its playerbase. Deep down everyone knows this and feels it, even the shiteaters, but the desire to be a contrarian shiteater is stronger than the desire to accept reality
>"Classic plus is retail">why?>"Because it has changes from Classic"Isn't that what Classic plus is supposed to mean? People are bringing up horde paladins and alliance shamans like that hasn't been one of the base features of most prior classic + servers.
>>747621304So then don't make a classic+. The entire idea exists to service classicfags. If it fails to do that, it serves no purpose. Better to put that time and money into something that will hit the mark.
>>747621219I don't like retail. It's moved too far away from being an actual MMO, with an engaging world and incentive to interact socially. I wanted a version of WoW that still had that, but with better gameplay. I never that that would happen. But that's what I'm getting. Turns out it was for me after all.
>>747621304while literally anything will please you people, as you will eat literally anything blizzard shits on your plate
>>747621362>>747621025
>>747618078
>>747621362>Isn't that what Classic plus is supposed to mean? People are bringing up horde paladins and alliance shamans like that hasn't been one of the base features of most prior classic + servers.Classic means vanilla, it doesn't mean TBC or Wrath or Cata or whatever the fuck, despite how Blizzard names their products.
>>747621368oh yeah the sharding and achievements really facilitate that
>>747621365>it serves no purposeIt's going to be massively successful. Especially in China. Sorry it's not for you, anon, but it's about to make Blizzard absolute mountains of money.
>>747621423>it doesn't mean TBC or Wrath or Cata or whatever the fuckOkay but it's not any of those.
>>747621407the fuck is that
Anyone else buy beta access? What race/class will you be rolling in it and on launch? For me, I'm stuck on Orc shaman or Sky Elf (Horde) druid
>>747621362
Oh so Forever is nothing like retail. Cool. /v/ at it again shitting on games they dislike just because
>>747621453Even when they were added in Wrath I barely interfaced with achievements outside of getting a couple of proto draje mounts. I just never really think about them, therefore there existence doesn't bother me.
>>747621461>It's going to be massively successful. Especially in China. Sorry it's not for you, anonhow many thousands of dollars have you spent on gacha
>>747621514>hur dur nobody can explain how this is that>people explain it>ignore it and just babble on about how no one can explain itHow brown is your skin right now?
>>747621472Cool new sex elf Druid forms. I'mma play one.
>>747621472skyborne druid forms
>>747621464what about the horde paladins and alliance shamans which you literally just said was a classic feature
>>747621504100% projection post because right wing people are fundamentally retarded wastes of oxygen that consistently bring nothing to society
>>747621406The elves are gay but I believe every single one of those other things are toggleable except for body type and achievements but who gives a shit about the latter and the former is gay but it doesn't magically change that my character is a man and not """body type 1""">>747621423Not sure how that's relevant. No Outlands or Wrath or Post-Cata Azeroth.
>>747621461that's great but I'm not an investor.it simply does not do what it was intended to do. it's basically just another retail side modewhich is fine, but it's not classic+and the open disdain forevertards show for actual disgruntled classic players makes that even more obvious
>>747621524None. Not so much as a penny. I find gacha shit to be repugnant and think it should be regulated like all other forms of gambling and illegal for children to engage with at all. Was gacha your gotcha? Try harder. Then play era.
>>747617708>They killed off Ascension for this
>>747621504That's supposed to come after you provide your reasoning and people claim not to understand it, not when you immediately jump to a conclusion without providing substantiation.
>>747621590>immediate leftroon mald from a trained blizzard shitgulperAnother indication that Forever is only for retailoids.
>>747621603>Not sure how that's relevant>People are bringing up horde paladins and alliance shamans like that hasn't been one of the base features of most prior classic + servers.retard
>>747621609>it simply does not do what it was intended to doIt's doing exactly what I, and many others, wanted it to do. Therefore it has fulfilled its purpose. That's why it's going to be successful. Because Classic+ is not for vanillafags. It's for people who want the good parts of vanilla but not the bad ones. Like me. I won.
alright you pserver freaks need to go back this is insane. don't you have anything better to do?>wait no you don't your server got nuked AHAHAHA
>>747621669at least 3 or so posters already explained how this is basically already retail. you pretending not to understand it is not anyone's fault but your own
Sorry, haters.We're going>HOMEand you're not invited
>>747621636>None. Not so much as a penny. I find gacha shit to be repugnantThanks for the affirmation of purity so you fit into the board culture better Rajesh but it was a rhetorical question, we know you don't even play video games
>>747621709>can't articulate your pointThat tells me you don't have one.>>747621735see>>747621603It's amazing how you're just pretending not to understand things when I have an unargued post right there.
>>747621659I probably would have tried it if they had incorporated Ascension's prestige system and the varied leveling challenges/twists
>>747621685you sound upset, little retard waste of space
>Take vanilla circa 05-06>Finish the clearly unfinished zones>Wrap up loose questlines>Vague balancing changesThat's all they needed to do.They knew that's all they needed to do. And they didn't do that.
>>747621721>Because Classic+ is not for vanillafags. It's for people who want the good parts of vanilla but not the bad ones.It's for retailfags who want to wear the dead, rotting skin of classic. Just like the people who applauded paid level boosts in classic.
>>747621838>all they needed to do was something that would upset even more people than this did lol
>>747621673Kek
>>747621603>The elves are gay but I believe every single one of those other things are toggleableBiggest problem with the elves is what is signals moving forward. If right out of the gate they are already introducing things that clash so dramatically with vanilla, that's a bad sign for future content. If in a year from now the game is full of retail slop like the blue elves, what will your excuse be then? Retail had a toggle for the SD character models too for awhile, but it didn't really matter because everything else in the game was Disneyfied shit that clashed hard with it, and eventually they just removed the toggle because it didn't make sense anymore. Can easily see Forever going down that same road if this is what they're coming out the gate with. Sure, the elves might just be one thing, *for now*, but if you can't see the writing on the wall I don't know what to tell you.
>>747621837I'm not upset, because I'd need to be accosted by a human to be upset about what they might say. In this case, all I'm hearing is the low-IQ blubbering of a leftroon corporate shillbeast.
>>747621759I'm an otaku, and my disdain for gacha is fueled mainly by the fact that I hate how much it's permeated otaku media and culture. But I didn't think that was worth mentioning compared to my more principled disdain which is fueled by not wanting to see multi-billion dollar chinkcorps foment gambling addiction in children. I don't care what (You) think about me, anon. You're a faceless nobody on a Mongolian basketweaving forum. I just know that you're mad and that Forever won, and that that tickles me pink.
>>747621867>giving people what they want will upset them, better charge $30 for something that literally no one asked for instead, no one will possibly be upset at this
Complaining about forever is pretty jeet-coded.
>>747621893>It's a signI agree but if you're using that alone to argue that what we have now is wholly just retail, I think that's a bad argument.I just think it's an exaggeration saying that what we have now is just retail. Yes modern blizzard is shit and gay but the difference between classic plus and classic is less then the difference between classic and OG vanilla.
>>747621974not as jeet-coded as shilling it is, ranjeshhow much is blizzard paying you to try and make this drivel seem liked?
>>747621504This is true, which is why it's so tiresome seeing the complaints about forever not being 1:1 classic.
Vanilla purist tourists need to be sent to Auschwitz with their shitty takes
I'm fine with class changes but they've made the graphics objectively worse and they adding a bunch of pixar bullshit like the smurf elves so I'm not going to play it, because once they start adding pixarshit they're never going to stop.
>>747621947>what they wantHey guys we're finally doing classic plus. It's classic but we added 10-20 quests to a few zones. That'll be $150 for your collector's edition and we know you'll all come back to play this even if you're not playing classic era which is essentially the exact same.
>>747621974This. Jeets seem to hate forever because it cuts into their gold business.
>>747622080Vanilla purists are the people who pushed for classic+ in the first place.
>>747622083just toggle it off lil gup.
>>747618078The paywalled race with its own free mountThe anti soul gas and no rain The achievementsThe in game shop tab on the action bar
>>747622112>just don't suck cockit won't stop me from thinking about it 24/7
>>747622087>Hey guys we're finally doing classic plus. It's classic but we added 10-20 quests to a few zones.Excellent, thank you
>It's not retail just because it has transmog>It's not retail just because it has achievements>It's not retail just because it has modern player models>It's not retail just because it has retail quest helpers>It's not retail just because it has account wide>it's not retail just because it has sharding/phasing>it's not retail just because it has void i mean skyborne[YOU ARE HERE]>it's not retail just because it has flying>it's not retail just because it has an ingame shop with constant slop added to it>it's not retail just because it has cross faction gameplay>it's not retail just because it has cringy girlbosses in stilted forced storylines
>>747622142>giving people what they wantMaybe (you) want that but you're more deranged than the retailtrannies if you think more people would pay $15 a month for that compared to what we got.
>>747622112You can't toggle off the pixarshit or the worse graphics.
>>747622087It's free and included in the sub. I see you don't really have an argument when you resort to lying like a jeet.
>>747622098No, Vanilla purists are the ones who demanded #nochanges for Classic only to beg for changes later on when people moved to other versions of the game on account of Vanilla's gameplay being bad. The people who wanted Classic+ initially, the people it's being made for, are the ones who wanted the Vanilla world but with meaningful improvements, additions, and better balance. You lost.
THE RAPED
>>747621603>literally nobody can contest this>desperate Anons are trying to post around it
>>747617708You sound like a fag. I'm hyped as fuck boiiii
>>747622221You literally can. New models and animations can be toggled off. All of the new graphics options can be toggled off. Transmog can be toggled off. The only thing that can't be toggled off is your shit taste.
>>747622240Nah, classic+ was for classic players.Not retail parasitoids like you co-opting classic just so they can have a WoW side mode to play in between waiting for the next buggy jeetcoded slop patch on retail.
>>747622229why are you pretending>>747622210wasn't already posted?>in the subwho the fuck would get a sub for that?
>>747622007I'm not necessarily saying that, yet. But I'm being very, very cautious and I'm skeptical of anyone going to bat to defend it fanatically. Some of the rhetoric going around might be exaggerated but classic players have every right to be critical and suspicious, and I'm wary of people trying to shut down every criticism because they will be the ones defending Blizzard all the way down the slippery slope. "Oh it's just blue elves, it's just this, it's just that, it's just one little thing, and one more little thing, and..." until the whole game basically IS retail 2.0 even if it didn't start that way, and you're still defending it because you were boiled in the pot slowly. I've seen this happen before too many times.
>>747619491Yes, they would rather have 1 paypig superfan then 10 casual Andys. That's been the normal trend.
>>747622141>can't stop thinking about sucking cockskek. Are you even self aware?
>>747622210>Maybe (you) want thatMost people wanted thatMost people wanted Hyjal and Deadwind Pass and suchI feel like some people are okay with things like undead palliesBut do you know what no one, literally no one asked for? $30 blue elves
>>747622265>Blizzard paypigs
>>747622240>The people who wanted Classic+ initially, the people it's being made for, are the ones who wanted the Vanilla world but with meaningful improvements, additions, and better balanceBad luck for them because they get blue elves and horde paladins instead
>>747618509>Why not add those cool store mounts? A new race, transmogs. Etc.It's, almost like....it's Classic+ and the + part of Classic+ means "cool store mounts? A new race, transmogs. Etc."
>>747622301I didn't play retail. I played Vanilla, though. Not just Classic. Vanilla. I wanted a better version of it. I got it.
>>747622317>I'm not necessarily saying thatThen we don't disagree. The people calling what we have now retail 2.0 while just referencing togglable shit though is just nonsense.
>>747622335And they dont gotta pay for them. Bam, problem solved.
>>747620524>Imagine if smash brothers was taken over by capcom and made into nintendo street fighter.Which one?
>>747622370Nah, you got retail minus, little hoglet.
WarCraft III, WoW, StarCraft or Diablo, which one has Blizzard screwed over the most of any franchise?
>>747622367>blue elvesThey already had purple elves. Big whoop.>horde paladinsGood.
>>747622292I didn't say anything about models or animation. I said they made the graphics worse and added smurf elves, which cannot be toggled off. They covered everything in anti soul gas which cannot be turned off and changed a bunch of the other environmental graphics to their modern art style which looks like pixarshit, and it can't be turned off.
>>747622414Starcraft. No question, and I don't even play or care about it. They cancelled ghost when literally everyone was hyped for it and then they stopping doing expansions for SCII and never released a SCIII when it was one of the biggest online games.
Forever haters ITT
>>747622397I don't really care what it's called. It's the MMO I've wanted for many years.
>>747622335>Most people wanted Hyjal and Deadwind Pass and suchSaying most people wanted Hyjal and Deadwind Pass is not the same as saying most people only wanted some quests added to those zones and nothing else.Which is what>>747621838says.I can agree that blue elves are gay dogshit but that doesn't alone make you right. That would be like saying OG Vanilla is irrefutably dogshit because it has playable gnomes.
>>747622423No anon they are BLUE elves!!!! You don't get it! BLUE! Have you seen those cool blue trolls though?
>>747620379>Shamans don't 2hand.According to fucking WHO?
>>747622335People pay for $30 mounts. Dropping $30 on a new race is nothing for most people
>>747621423ok so you see the + sign? You will NEVER guess what that means!
>>747621838They would also need to enforce bans on bots and RMTers.
>>747622430>They covered everything in anti soul gas which cannot be turned off and changed a bunch of the other environmental graphics to their modern art style which looks like pixarshit, and it can't be turned off.Yes they can. It's really sad that you feel the need to lie to make a point. You don't seem like you're engaging with this whole situation rationally. You should step away from the computer, go for a walk, try to do something to clear your head. Then maybe find another game to play since you don't think you're the target audience for this one.
>>747622464>I wanted a pile of shit served to me>I got my pile of shit served to me>I love my pile of shit served to me
>>747622503according to the talents
>>747622464The MMO you've wanted for many years has existed for many years. It's called retail WoW.
I just want to bitch about how shit the crafting system in retail is. It's like they saw some poopsockers that loved to make spreadsheets for +1 spirit on their 9999 gold boots and catered to them. I wouldn't even mind so much if it weren't timegated to fuck and back.
>>747622457>blizzard when someone tells them how they could make high elves a race with almost zero effort and it would be the easiest win ever
>>747622335I think a lot of people actually asked for $30 blue elves, because a lot of people know that that means they can play for sub only and be satisfied thanks to those people.
>>747622482>Saying most people wanted Hyjal and Deadwind Pass is not the same as saying most people only wanted some quests added to those zones and nothing else.Actually it was "finishing the zones," so it wouldn't just be quests, it would be dungeons tooBut you knew that, you disingenuous cuck
>my elves?blue>your pserversobliterated>my fog?foggening>my ground clutterfucking weeds everywhere>your computerunable to runturdles absolutely btfo
>>747620379>>7476225922handers are BASELINE to the fucking CLASS. Shamans in the demo were using them.Actual retards, holy fuck.
>>747622596No, retail WoW is a gear treadmill maze with an impotent world, no real social and community emphasis to speak of, and which teleports you to raids and dungeons that you don't even need to interact with people to complete. I know what I want. Retail isn't it.
>>747622609How many years have you been pissing and moaning about high elves at this point? Just play LotR Online so can can jelq your micropeen to your pathetic race fantasy.
It'll only cost me $15 to play if it's shit I'll uninstall. It's that simple. Cheaper than most new games that release today.
>>747622619>finishing zones means adding dungeons and anyone reading would definitely know that despite the fact that several zones in Vanilla don't have dungeons >I also immediately followed it up by reiterating quests Anon that is actual Chris-Chan level schizophrenia. No, I don't know your fanfiction about what dungeons you came up with in your head.
>>747622335Here are some things people wanted in Classic+>High Elves for Alliance, Ogres/Goblins for Horde>More quests in the unfinished zones like Azshara>Adding content to unstarted zones like Hyjal>Extra dungeons and raids>new fun abilitiesThings nobody asked for:>Blue elves>sharding>layering>retail UI>retail graphics cheaply plastered over the vanilla world>new dungeons that look like they were made by the turtle wow team>alliance shamans and horde paladins>complete class reworks>Ion hazzikostas to be involved
THE TOOGGLER>don't like it? just tooggle it off>i tooggled at least 5 settings and I might tooggle 3 more>I'M GOING TO TOOGGLE>it doesn't exist if I tooggle it>things that are tooggled off cannot affect anything>i had self-respect once, but i tooggled it off
>>747622692How is classic+ any different when you have blue elves, transmog and a graphics toggle? You're refusing to see how they are the same thing.
>>747622482>That would be like saying OG Vanilla is irrefutably dogshit because it has playable gnomes.gnomes were part of the canon already you disingenous worm
>>747622763I like how the list of what people wanted gets bigger every time I point out that the shorter list isn't anything.
I just like watching the mindraped turtle thirdies posting about it
>>747621673Missing the purple elves and the green orcs and the cartoon gnomes and the blue trolls and the literal zombie people and oh did I mention the walking cow people?
>>747622806So if there were a reference to blue elves pre 2005 you wouldn't think they are ugly, trannycoded freaks?
>>747622573It means just do retail again?
>>747622763Thermonuclear truth bomb.
We're so fucking back.Just few more days until beta.
the 30$ price tag just reminds poorfag neets that they have stagnated in life while the rest of us flourished. 30$ is a small amount of mcdonalds and most of us who are successful can drop that without a second thought but for a true neetcel that is probably like 5 different meals, up to 5 days of survival with them if they really stretch
>>747620492Mindraped. Pure and simple.
>>747622783You're being disingenuous and not engaging in good faith. Why are blue elves bad but purple ones aren't? Why do I care if people want to play dress up or use new models when I don't have to? How do those things in any way change the pacing, leveling experience, or overall interactiveness of the world and community in Forever with compared to retail? They're massively different games. I don't like retail. But Forever looks like something I'll like.
>>747622839>swap sides each thread>make intentionally retarded arguments>see people on the opposing side seethe and people on the same side defend my retarded arguments>enjoy the stupidity of both sides
Just because it has transmog and achievements and blood elf recolors and dragonflight and war within models and wod character models doesn't mean it's retail! How that anything like retail???
>>747622853if they were there pre 2005 I wouldnt be a fan of Warcraft, would I? Fucking idiot.
>>747622898fuck you
>>747618749>>747619492I see they got the same NPC software update the ArenaNet people got.
>>747622921>ugly, trannycoded freaks?That describes gnomes and blue elves so clearly you would.
>>747622898>You're being disingenuous and not engaging in good faith. Why are blue elves bad but purple ones aren't?Looks like you are the one not engaging in good faith. You already know the answer to this.
>Forever has graphics with modern global illumination, fog and clouds, shit retail doesnt even havelol, this is WoW 2.
>>747622769>I am deeply, personally invested in how other people play a game and if they don't do what I want them to then I start screaming like a histrionic woman
>>747622592Nigger what? Guess fury warriors can't 2hand either by that logic.
>>747622974>That describes gnomesBut it doesn't at all you mentally ill shiteater. Why are you defending something you admit has trannycoded freaks in it? Is this how the Blizzard Defence Force operates now? You admit the game is shit to pwn the people who don't like the game?
>>747623001You seem upset. Maybe you should just tooggle my post off and it won't have any effect on you.
>>747622909>not bringing up the shitty modern uiNice shitty false-flag Blizzard shill.
>>747622939Yeah, thought so. >>747622980They seem fine to me.
>>747618509this faggot accent is annoying af shoot the fag
>>747623032>But it doesn't at all you mentally ill shiteater. Seething tranny>Why are you defending something you admit has trannycoded freaks in it?Yeah, why are you defending gnomes so much? I'm sorry you're seething about your ugly tranny gnome OC this much but you're mentally deranged and probably brown.
we all know this shit is dying as soon as 12.2 drops because it exists only to tide retailtroons over.
>>747618448lmao just look at all these retoilet converts ITT defending forever
Speaker in the deep dive today dropped playable ogre spoilers so save your thirty bucks fat bastards they will come in a few months
>>747623046At least you have a sense of humor about having lost to Forever. These other anons are having existential crises.
>>747623032Xe's probably talking about gnome females. I agree. Gnomes should've been a male only race that reproduces through mitosis. And they should've been exclusively white-haired and bearded, the classic garden variety
>hehe surely i will stop people from having fun again if i tell them their game is shit
>>747622592If you even watched (which you didn't) you would see shamans using 2h in the dungeons being run today. Now how the fuck do you think they are doing that? Surely they didn't make it baseline....
>>747622997It's really sad because in Retail they obviously have some talented environmental artists working on old content. But for WoW Forever their idea of revamping the graphics is just slapping unfitting modern lighting and anti-soul gas over 2004 models and textures. Why is THIS not togglable?
>>747622997>wow classic if he UE5
>>747622769Oh god I'm gonna toooggle
>>747623145A story as old as time on ol' /v/
>>747623085>Yeah, why are you defending gnomes so much? I'm sorry you're seething about your ugly tranny gnome OC this much but you're mentally deranged and probably brown.Why are you? Retail has both gnomes and many other tranny/furry coded races, yet you still play it. Curious.
duskwood is gonna look good filled with blinding soul gas, it will make it very spooky :), I'm just gonna leave the toggle on
>>747623174>Why is THIS not togglable?It is but it's clear that you're intentionally pretending it's not to try and give the blizzdrones a free, easily disproven argument. It doesn't matter that you can toggle all shit off, the game is still shit.
>>747623162SoD had 2h shaman as well but it was completely sidelined and unviable. expect the same treatment.
>>7476225922h baseline. dw is out. isn't learned in talents nor available at the trainer. that said theyre clearly leanijng into elemental weapons and maelstrom charges which is only good with dual wielding lol so enhance is definitely KEKED
>>747623219>Imagining that I play retail purely because you cannot agree that Gnomes are shitWhy are you adamant that gnomes aren't played only by mentally ill trannies? We both know for a fact that you're only made because I insulted gnomes and are unwilling to accept that they are shit and gay. You are inventing in your head that I play retail purely to cope with the fact that I am making fun of gnomes and trannies that defend them.
>>747623247>expect the same treatmentForever Shaman don't get Dual Wield at all.
>>747623174yeah the thing Classicbrains and freshies dont understand is that Retail has some genuinely stunning environmental art and nobody ever disagrees with that fact.
>>747623247I was just watching it completely crank damage doing almost nothing but auto attacking and applying shocks in a dungeon on a 4 pack pull with xaryu on a mage, and a random warlock dps. The shaman was 2.5x their damage.
I heard this version of WoW is going to be more akin to how OSRS manages content, which to me sounds more fun overall. Is it true though?I might just roll a priest and enjoy the turbo baby easy mode class life
>>747622856Come on anon you gotta put in a little more effort
>>747623423it has transmog in it you retard
>>747623247The talents support it through and through though, no random discrepancies or 1h only stuff here.
>>747623454That you can toggle off :^)
>>747623423that's the promise but there is very little to indicate they can keep it going for more than 1 or 2 years max. For context, the "OSRS-style" horizontal progression they mention is achievement-based. As you gain more achievement points, you can unlock account-wide bonuses such as faster rested XP, earlier talent points, etc.
>>747623423OSRS has very little to manage which is how they got away with it.
>buddy who has been firm not playing mmos for years messaged me about being all in on foreverinteresting
>>747623413Magma Totem + Fire Nova. Looks like basically the exact same values it has in WotLK, where it was great for leveling dungeons.
>>747623246>It isIt's not though lol that's from retail
>>747623498>when you think you're writing in your diary but typed in the wrong tabOK tranny
>>747623498God damn. This guy is fuming mad.
>>747623551I wouldn't know because I don't play trannytail
>>747623514Weird coz my buddy who has been playing WoW for years took one look at Forever and got AIDS
One thing I've noticed so far is how players keep getting buffed more and more but there are no signs of the content even changing a little bit.At this point it feels like we are going to be one shotting bosses and the game will offer pretty much no resistance whatsoever.
>>747623618how did xhe handle xis bottom surgery?
>>747623618Nah that's was me. I raped him. In the butt.
>>747623649Classic didn't in the first place.
>>747623679>Anon was clearly implying that he was fucking his friend in the butt while they watched Blizzcon togetherSo you're responding to yourself?
And so another idea of the community gets monkey pawed and raped by Blizzard and then their retail cultists.Feels good to be right about classic+
>>747623776how is it a monkey paw if the community wanted it and the community is retail cultists who are happy with it?
>>747623649wow was never a challenge. who are you fucking tourists
>>747623423No, it's the complete opposite.Runescape is successful because it offers a vast breadth of parallel content you can pursue in any order you please so long as you meet the floor for entry.Each of the skills feeds into each of the others, so you have a web of objectives to choose from, and the means to play how you wish like grinding slayer without interacting with tasks through content that rewards slayer xp, then because you have a high slayer level you have access to specific spells to grind magic.Wow forever just cements the 60 funnel design philosophy that wow has traditionally expressed.Each objective in wow is a linear path; get 60, get bis, game finished.Blizzard is also slashing dungeon xp allegedly so you're being constricted even more than usual; you have to quest.
>>747623738Damn. You got me.
>>747622769Cool, still not gonna play your dogshit private server Rajeesh
>>747623423WoW isn't built for this style of game and they haven't added appropriate systems to accommodate it, (flesh things out, make more variable use of singular characters and methods of play). So I suspect this game is going to be a repeating cycle of hitting a total dead end then having to wait several months for some piecemeal update that has a race or class paywalled.
>>747623826as long as you held his hand, no harm done.
>>747623841You couldn't even if you wanted to lmao
>>747623801nta but he never mentioned it was ever a challenge, you mongoloidyet the player powercreep is real and it is about to get even worselearn to read please
>>747623776>heh.. another blizz L.. feels so good to be right>guys??>guys stop talking about the game hey i mean it>i was right i won guys PLEASE!!
personally my vision for classic+ was always vanilla with pet battles
There used to be a time where WoW threads were bannable on /v/. I miss that golden age.
Well it was fun watching you people seethe, lie, and ignore anything that disproved your bullshit. I'm gonna go read manga and probably jack off. Can't wait to play my sex elf in November. Forever won.
>>747621407OK I will be a skyborne druid.
>>747623895>yeah it was never even slightly difficult but uh, his point that it'll be even easier>why would that matter if it wasn't difficult at all in the first place?>uh um uh it's going to get worse because uh umm uhhhh Acquire critical thinking skills
>>747621407heckin valid
>>747623923Battle Pets is pure kino and I hope they add it eventually
>>747622240No changes was absolutely mandatory. Blizzard would have fucked it up even more in 2019.
>>747623912yeah it does feel good to be right after seeing people talk about muh classic+ for years acting like it wouldn't just be retail with a thin veneer of classicand here we areand now the entire idea of classic+ is poisonedwhy shouldn't I be pleased?
>>747624063>ran away from >>747623796Bro the entire world can see that. Don't monkey paw your post by having me own you this hard.
>>747623454And I'm supposed to be mad about that why exactly?
>>747624127>literally has the word trans in it holy shit blizzdrones this is a new lowI bet you think people can just toggle their gender too
>but it has this!>and it has that!>it freakin' has THOSE!Don't care. Still playin'
>>747624192toggle your life off
>>747624125>schizo momentok then lolanyway, i win
>>747624224goofy ahh pingas retard
>>747624205The nice thing about wow forever is people like you will be forever seething
>>747624192we know paypig
>>747624250I'll be having gay sex with >>747624063so who will really be seething?
>>747624019Anon it is ok to be proven wrongThe point was never about "challenge" but how powercreep is reaching an all time highHell, you are the one who mentioned the word "challenge"Learn to read, and learn how to have an actual discussion.
>>747624063hmmm everyone is excited and ready to have fun are wrong apparently and the friendless, loser with no money to afford a 30 y/o game is right? ya idk man
>>747624303That was my first post in that chain you enormous retard. Learn to read.
It is weird they don’t just make different servers for different toggle combinations. It is easily the best solution because sharding/layering is horrible. The devs say they want more social interactions but sharding/layering is horrible for that. “hey i’m here at the meeting place, oh no i don’t see you i guess you’re on another plane of existence which totally ruins the immersion and atmosphere”. I personally can’t stand transmog and toggling off doesnt do anything because if i was to comment about their cool hat in chat, everyone is seeing different things so people won’t know what i’m talking about.It’s like everyone will be living in their own bubble instead of the game world. Like walking into a party and everyone has a VR headset on, totally missing the point of what a party is. The point of the party is a shared experience, not a highly curated individual experience. “I want the balloons to be X color! I don’t like that person so i’m going to block them! This music is not my taste so i’m going to play my own palylist on my VR headet!” These retail kids, liberals, atheists, and materialistic hedonists want so much freedom and want to be able to do everything they want. But what they don’t understand is when everything is available, fast, and easy, then those things become meaningless.
>>747622889Plus the neetfag is mad that his pirated version is pretty much at a constant risk of being deleted so the neetfag will never know peace. But we will know comfy times forever.
>>747624063No retail zones. No portals. No death Knights, or monks or invokers. Only a new starting zone inspired by old vanilla concept art from Metzen himself. Therefore, not vanilla.
>>747620492based anon but you fell for bait, I admire your passion but the anon you replied to is most assuredly just a retard trying to farm (you)s
>>747624192We know, retail paypiggy.You would have happily devoured any turd Blizzard shits out on your plate, so you don't exactly need to mention it here like it's some sort of outlier.
>>747624396This but I'm not trans
yea I'm thinking we are going homefurshits, pserver jeets, tranilla uncs lost bigly
>>747617708I want war.Not hugboxes.
>>747624063my brother had some hope it wouldn't be trash but I knew when they added level boosts in TBC classic there was no hope ever
>>747624396Poorfags are just so angry the moment any time money is mentioned. Make some more and you won't be so mad anon
Transmog, toys, collectible mounts, collectible pets, achievements, titles and player houses are all perfectly fine things to have in a video game.
>>747624396>paypig>the giant flying pig for buying a year of sub timeBlizz can still be funny
>>747624303he replied for me but made a good point. why does it matter if things get easier? they're already easy. "duh powercreep" and?
>>747624452>but I knew when they added level boosts in TBC classic there was no hope everClassicfags lost the moment the retail dad gaymer community overruled them on that.And the digital deluxe mounts.And everything else.
>retail retards so mad that classic enjoyers get another server to play on that they are trying to falseflag at their own expense to keep forever from succeeding (it will)
>>747624457I make monthly sub every 10 minutes and I still wouldnt pay blizzard a penny for this garbage
WoW is so dead and irrelevant WoW threads are mostly anons trying to bait
oh no no no mitty+ bros?
>>747623454Okay? What does that have to do with anything he said?
>>747624396I never want to be in a situation where a few dollars for a video game is such an economical strain to feel pressured to rage about it on an online image board. i am so sorry for your situation drop your venmo and i will help you.
>>747624540>gets people to sub 24/7>also does it for freeweird flex
>>747624452There's no level boosts in forever, no wow token.
>>747624540I'm sure you do make a lot of tendie bucks doing the laundry and mowing the lawn anon.
>>747624580uhoh tranny meltie
>>747624574literally nobody wanted this. Forever is going to fail.
>>7476199761. It is developed by the same people who made sl/df/ww/midnight also known as retail2. In order to display both modern retail models and classic models it has to run a modified classic engine, which means it will have shitty retail PvE combat where mobs orbit you like a magnet and where you have an invisible timer on every mob and you can't kill them before the timer runs out no matter what you press or how you play the game3. It has all the features from retail that people were always against like transmog, neutral races, minimizing social interactions, pvp/pve switch, etc4. It has retarded retail class design where every class is just rogue5. 10 players raids
>>747624540So why are you angry at Blizzard?
>>747618749is this not the same "damage on Tuesdays" trap diablo 4 fell into?
>>747624640>doesn't mention achievements, phasing, graphics BLUE ELVESfound the Blizzard exec trying to minimize how shit this is going to be
>>747624597just like how it was in classic?you can't trust these devs to stick to their word
>>747624346Literally everyone will play with transmog on same with hd graphicsThe options is just to appease the 1 or 2 autists
>>747624637I wanted it.
>>747624574>retoilet mogged by an expansion to a 24 year old game created by amateur map makers
>>747624664Diablo 4 released on a Monday
>>747624702>implying I won't drop the playerbase of forever to zero by making threads seething about it>blue>elves
>>747624686They made a pretty bold stance by saying it on stage. They will monetize by content paywalls. At least the economy won't be so bad
>>747624640imagine being this retared. thank god he wont be in my game. i hate carrying scrubbies.
>>747624696You couldn't have possibly wanted it because it's something that you didn't know about before it was announced, you merely want it now that you've seen it and know what it is. Checkmate, Liberal.
>>747624637I liked it....$129 for 1 year isn't a bad investment assuming they don't fuck it up.
>>747624738mine will be a white elf from all the cum she'll be catching
>unlisted>those dislikes>the commentsfucking lmao
>>747624574>starcraft cinematic trailer>2.3 millionkekaroo
>>747624782How many trillions do you think Blizz will lose from this disaster?
>If you don't play the beta for a month you will be left behind. the people who pay will get to experience all the excitement and discoveries before you.Wrong. The beta is limited in regions you can go to and dungeons. The level is also capped at 30. Beta players (testers) are only experiencing a small slice of the game, also when the game goes live on November 4th, all characters created during the beta are deleted. The beta is played on a special "beta server" and not one of the main servers. It functions like most betas. Your progression/character doesn't carry over, and you're basically beta testing the game for bugs and problems that you can report to Blizzard. Blizzard has done this before, does it work? I don't know. You'd think having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people beta testing something would result in less bugs and issues.
all Shamans are going to be busted so I will be a gay blue elf shaman. Ele sham is going to crank the hardest it has ever cranked.
>>747624738it's 1 megaserver the playerbase will be fine, even cia torture sod phase 3+ had players
>>747624801How much did they spend on AI tokens? The whole game is obviously built by AI.
>>747624815>schizo meltdown
all the complaints from /v/ are things you can easily turn off im laughing my ass offdesigning games for classic andys is impossible
>>7476247861 video vs 2 videos. People who've watched the gameplay trailer and people who've watched the cinematic trailer are in a venn diagram, not a circle.
>>747624865>thinking I can turn off the voices in my headIf you play Forever I will literally spend every night for the rest of my life screaming in agony.
>>747619976>selling mounts / microtransactions>daily quests/spells and such>achievements >account bound rewards>boss designs
>>747624837>he hasn't seen the talentsutoh
>>747624865This. I've seen 40 year old karens bitch less than some of these posters.
>>747624896>nothing about transmognot getting past me Blizzdrone
>>747619976the new talents they're going to add are going to be retail coded as fuck
>>747618749There was a dagger I got from scarlet monastery that had a chance to stun enemy players on hit that was pretty funny.
>wahh wahh dont play it theneagerly awaiting the interview with the last lone dude on the server in 8 months
>>747624750Literal goyim
>>747624837since we're back to vanilla, what exactly will counter totem spamming?
>>747618749I want raids and dungeons to be challenging and not a time-gated faceroll.
>>747621319trying too hard desu.
>stopped punching myself in the head as much>hear this announcement>it started back upwhen will Blizzard die?
>>747624906Explain what is wrong about them, they have a ton of synergy. They have totem relocation and can drop a ranged aoe snare via talented earthbind to even help with the rape.
>>747624865/v/ isn't for discussing games anymore. just laughs and trolling. 90% of this thread are ivans, joses, and rajeesh's calling the game shit because they can't afford rice much less a video game.special interest hobby boards with actual cost to participate should just range ban all thirdie countries.
>>747624951This but classic era which only came out five years ago and will die some day.
>>747624953sorry i don't speak grey parse
>>747623090It's going to die when GTA6 comes out and every streamer is playing that and wow has 0 streamers.
Reminder that 99% of the people here are private server troons engaging on a discord together to shit on classic+ because blizard turned off their Chinese gold/bot farm private server p2w scams.They're fuming that people asked for changes in classic and we got them (it's different when their private server does it!)
>>747625019Thank you. People don't understand that, even if they can toggle it off, it'll still live rent free in my head.
>>747617708Ive only played wow for one day when vanilla launched two decades ago and I got bored hitting boars. this actually looks promising as an OSRS gamer, if everything they add is gay retail-like shit ill probably drop it
>>747617708They can fix this quite easily by adding a full playable scourge faction (decayed/skeleton versions of Human, Elf, Orc, Dwarf, as well as Ice Trolls and Nerubians) with Death Knight and Necromancer classes locked to this faction. Vrykul neutral race for alliance, horde, or scourge. If they cannot produce this one measly thing then they do not deserve my money.
>>747625019>classic is le fall of rome!wow is 24 years old brownskin kek
>>747625046god GTA6 is going to be so epic. I can't wait to see who is streaming it.
>>74762309012.2 announcement was getting fucking booed at the con today anon. Retrannies weren't even happy about it
>>747625062the indian wow shillbot doth project too much
>>747625062>nu-wow devs go out of their way to shit on garithos nonstop in the new forsaken wc3 shit
>>747625074>gets interested only when he hears about TRANSmogyeah okay
Let me know when forever gets wow tokens.
>>747618749Maybe you could get a full set of beast killing items and farm beasts to level pretty cool leveling guides btfo
>>747625112He looks so happy
>>747625103>Saar it's different when my private server sells boosts and bag spaces sirs!Brown
>>747617708The new HD armors are going to look like shit next to the old models, forever not having a consistent art style is going to be a problem
>>747625019the aptness of your image overrides your overall point. yeah, i do want people to look like they belong in the setting and not multi colored clownsuits.
>>747618749this is alright but it has to be handled well.most of all it needs to give people a reason to visit those areas. normally you have zero reason to visit westfall after level 20 so gearing for that specifically is nonsense.the bonus also needs to be more significant than 2% movespeed.this also might end up being too granular. there arent that many worgen camps in the game and they are often mixed with other enemy types so having a 4sec stun on a 5minute cooldown sounds near useless.at least they arent randomized.
>>747625062The blue elves being paid content is the only real problem so far, and I hope Blizzard changes them to be unlockable through a quest or something.
>>747625146>abomination is a monster stitched from multiple corpses>make one dedicated to one personbut why
>Blizzard sells races (optional) (people asked for them)NOOO THIS ISNT CLASSIC REEEEEEEEEEE>Private server sells paid anywhere teleports and admin powersClassic+ hype!
>>747625147>BrownI am brahman caste timmy.
>>747625147>my private serversindian making up fanfiction to win an argument that doesn't exist
>>747625189Garithos is only the head and to, quite literally, continue humiliating him post-death.
>>747625156the new hd models are fine. the main problem was the retarded bouncy animations and they reverted them to the classic ones
>>747625062Why does every single shill try to claim everyone who thinks this game looks like shit is a private server tranny? You don't need to have ever played on a private server to think selling recolored blood elves for 30 dollars is retarded
>>747625189If you question the logic of any decision made by Blizzard it's because you belong to the alt-right
>>747625187People will seethe and then they'll pretend that was just for the beta
>>747625240>multiple shills in this thread that never claimed thatschizo moment
>>747625179they mentioned expanding zones. i hope that means more higher level revisits here and there.
>>747618749I actually don't hate itbut I do hate having spellpower on vanilla gear
>>747625189The forsaken are vindictive, evil bastards and they know it and revel in it. These are the same people that created a society designed to develop new plagues, and everyone else was surprised that they started infecting everyone with the new plague that they developed.
>>747625240Because when you get personally offended and give me a seething reply it says enough about you that I don't need to hear any more.The content is optonalyou don't have to buy it.
>>747624858Not really? Blizzard said the beta characters get wiped after the beta closes on October 21st. People are PAYING to play the beta (which is limited anyway.) You can only get to level 30 and only explore certain regions/zones in limited detail. You don't get access to the full game. You also get name reservations ahead of everyone else if you pay for the beta, but that's about it. If you REALLY want a specific name and it's worth paying $30, then go ahead.
>>747625250>>747625187god I wish I could be an ugly tranny for free
>>747617708I never played world of warcraft
>>747624918just add it to my list of what makes this diet retail.retail zero. retail light.
>>747625274>Because when you get personally offended and give me a seething replyHoly projection Batman
>>747625197yea blizzard only gives admin power to their streamer friends and foids
>>747625302You already are.
>>747625279wrong thread bro this isn't the meltdown over beta thread
>>747625228There was a reason the race models got updated in wod and the toggle to go back to them was removed. It doesn't look good when your belt has more pixels than your entire character
>>747625316you dont really mean that though
>>747625315>0.01% scenario is the same as private servers selling admin powers for 250$ in bitconikill yourself
>>747625309yeah I'm sure you just forgot to mention it until I called you out and you definitely don't work for Blizz either
I am going to play this.my core friend group is playing it (5 ppl, not counting 3 gfs onboard)My online gaming buds are all playing (50+)We're going to have a blastbut the best part?you can't stop us
>>747625274It's not optional when they start locking OP races and classes behind paywalls, like every other mmo to do this did
>>747625312Seething and concession accepted shitskin. You weren't gonna play you're just here because you want to fume about your pserver getting owned
>>747625356>real proven scenario is the same as a thing i made in my headdouble kill yourself
>>747625390>I imagined a scenario in which doesn't currently exist to get mad at
>>747625179It needs to be fairly granular to support itemization of future level 60 content. That's one way to preserve chase and incentive in horizontal (ie, flat ilvl after a point) expansion - have different stat combinations and item bonuses in different raids, zones, and dungeons.
>>747625391>SeethingThere's more of that famous projection again
>>747625390>brooo classic is just for chilling, community, and having>THIS IS OP THIS IS OP NERFNERF NERF AAAAAH MOMMYYYYYYYYYYY
>>747625395>>747625412could all you scenario shitheads shut the fuck up?
>>747625390looking like a tranny doesn't make you OP
>>747625340I mean it with the fullest sincerity of my heart, and I believe that it is for your own good to go back to your in-home dilation chamber at this very moment.
>can now change factions>exclusive to another shitty elf raceI would have loved to be an Alliance Tauren ;-;
>>747625476if you saw me IRL you wouldn't say or even think that so I'll never be at peace
>>747625412So even though I see the inevitable problem, I have to wait until it happens and fucks up the game irreversibly before I say anything about it? You were one of the retards defending the horse armor weren't you
>>747625412The blue elves have a 5% damage bonus to most of the enemies in Molten Core, and they'll probably add more elemental raids in the future.
>>747625483No
>>747625483Are you misunderstanding on purpose?
>>747618749>legendary loot drops>gain +1 to spirit on the first night of a full moon in Elwynn Forest
>>747618078Zone level scaling
>>747625535That's insane. So it'll basically be required to have them if you want to clear MC?
>>747625556They explicity stated that is not a thing.
>>747623432As someone looking at all this from the outside (I played W3 as a kid, but never WoW), you come off as a pedantic retardfaggot.
>>747625556But there isn't level scaling.
>>747625551>gain +1 to spirit on the first night of a full moon in Elwynn Forestsoul
so now that classic+ is a flop, what's next for wow
>>747625390>locking OP races and classes behind paywalls,Care to give one concrete example of this? The blue elves have nowhere near OP racials.
>>747618749>5% bonus to damage only on Tuesdays
>>747625551This sounds kino.
jesus christ
>>747625127Could kind of do that in vanilla. There were a couple of +hueg attack power vs beasts/demons/undead etc that you could stack and then grind away.
>>747625614wow 4ever
>>747617708so, fucking dumbass question.Do we know if the Death Knights, Demon Hunters, and Monks will be in Wow: Forever or are they saving that until Mist Of Pandaria Forever?
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/s/c6AvsbsGXXhttps://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/s/ZvmRFQid5Mahahahaha ohnononono>just toggle it bro!
>>747625643>just fog my shit up senpai
>>747619704>You can select an arrangement and position of certain elements to the positions they have in vanilla, but the elements still use the dragonflight retail graphics and designsI don't see a problem with this as long as everything is in its proper place. Everyone mods the UI anyway and I'll do the same if I don't like it.
>>747625643ANTI SOVL GAS
>>747625643>anti-soul fog
>>747625146aww man I was hoping they'd revive him and add him to worlo. his voice actor was great... then again they probably wouldn't get the original back anyway so nevermind.
>>747625551I don't think you understand loot autism.Shit like that is how hoarding loot becomes actually useful and not just your ADHD coming out
>>747617708It's not like retail, Paladin has like 2 buttons and I think that's an improvement from Vanilla
>>747625664>reddit posts where (presumably) you come out as transIt's not like we can give you upvotes here.
>>747618749>horizontal progression>but it's leveling itemsso.. you are a retard.
>>747624750golem retard
>>747625573People that want to min-max might consider it. Gnomes get a 10% damage bonus to all enemies for three spells/attacks on a cooldown.
>>747625643if we can turn fog off it will be nice to see Mt. Hyjal in all his glory from everywhere.
>>747625664uhm sweaty... just tooggle it?
best tank in the game?
>>747625689No just no
>>747625643Thanks Anon now I'll be seething until I have an ulcer
>>747625708retail has a button that plays the game for you
>>747625643Why does it look so bad
oungghh i'm tooggling
>>747625734you shouldn't be able to see mt hyjal from everywhere. they had this in cata and it just ruined the mystery and feeling of size in the world.
>>747625736Warror > Druid > PallyNothing in the new talents suggests this will change beyond Pally getting some viability as a true off.
>>747625736warrior > druid > paladin > shaman
>>747625620Off of the top of my head Neverwinter and the dungeon and dragons mmo did it
>>747625197are these >>people<< in the room with us ?
>>747625770I'm starting to think the Turtle WoW Unreal Engine port actually looked good to Blizzard and they unironically shut it down so they could steal that idea. It's fucking wild that they think this is ok.
>>747625790Pally has a taunt now though
>>747625318That's at your mom's house.
>>747625664>don't like it? toggle it.>UHHHH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEevery time.
>>747625426it doesnt need to be that extreme and could end up being detrimental.look at the makeup of a basic raid like molten bore. you have elementals there, these lizard dudes and the dogs. so will you be asked to bring three sets of gear to handle them all?it needs to be tied up with something more generalized, like fire in this case.
Why does this feel like SoD but worse
>>747625835>4+ races polling ahead of the answer you showed.Brown IQ lmfao literal midwit
>>747625835It was actually the easiest layup in the world to add High Elves to Classic+ and they still managed to screw it up, LOL
>>747625835>goblins that high when it's the least played race besides the nu-wow slopwow fans truly are confounding. they really don't want what they say they want.
All I know is that I hate elves
Sharties shitposting here wont tell you this but uh... they're adding more races already.
>>747625876Why would I toggle it when i could just not buy it
>>747625858both of my gay fathers killed themselves
>>747625790Paladin will be the best by dint of having obscenely high threat right off the rip, just based on the talents already revealed. Baseline Consecrate+Holy Strike+Judgement while also having even better Mana regen than TBC prot.
>>747625928Will they be charging $30 for these races?
I want them to add Pandas
>>747625913>wow fans truly are confounding. they really don't want what they say they want.Least played in what? Retail? Nobody plays Retail lmao
>>747625946cool too bad they have no kitted solves for crushing or a decent cd.
>>747625913maybe classic players and retail players are different audiences.
As per usual the season, yes its a season like mastery or discovery, will have a bunch play then bleed out most of the population back to retail.You've played classic with a different gimmick before. Multiple times now. It only holds attention for a bit then most get bored and quit. Same shit as usual.
i toggled off my interest in classic+
>>747625660We're only going to get a vanilla version of forever, they're never going to expand to another expansion or go past lvl 60, at least that's what they say. If they add new classes, already existing classes would probably be the easiest, but they could build a completely new class only for forever. If you give a shit about my opinion, I personally think monks and dks will be prioritized since most of the work is already done
>>747625992Except they get 102.4% avoidance basically for free and they have Templar's Bulwark.
>>747625940>forever is good because I can just not buy itholy shit the mental gymnastics.
>>747625913Murlocs would be the most popular race, but almost nobody says they want murlocs because they're all soft little bitches who are afraid to have an opinion.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQurp9fbOwc
>>747625643The effect used for the mountains behind org on the right make the scene seem larger, the distances greater, your mind can almost see it as a giant mountain a mile away. On the left it's so clear and lacks any artistic thoughtfulness at all you can tell oh yeah it's actually about 20 feet behind the bank.Terrible.
>>747626007>will have a bunch playcope
>>747625913I want goblins. I do not care what races are available in retail because I do not play retail. Anything post-wotlk does not exist to me.
>>747625928New races or more reskins?
>>747626019this except I never had interest in the first place because I'm not retarded and trans
>>747626035>>forever is goodWho are you quoting?
>>747625984WoW players are shit eaters and you cannot trust them in regards to anything. Faggots crying about High Elves for over 20 fucking years when the game already has too many stupid elves.Classic WoW is a braindead game and that's okay.
>>747626081toggled off your hrt I see?
>>747626085>>747625940
>>747626079They already confirmed mechagnomes.
>>747626024thanks anon.Yea, I'm in the same line of thinking. They already gated a race behind a $30 paywall, so nothings really stopping them from making Pandaria or some shit to add those to vanilla forever
>>747626089they're upset because they keep adding other stupid elves and not high elves
>>747617708It's the same old thing. The left defending DEI games made by women with LGBT communities vs. Legacy gamers called chuds trying to enjoy a product they loved from the 00s....it's the same argument around GTA6 and every game. This is modern gaming. Constant us vs. Them. Same with movies and television and everything in the culture. Everytime you are hit with DEI defenders acting like your complaints are ridiculous meanwhile they conspire to change the culture behind closed doors.
>>747626117Yep so where is it? Where's the quote? Nowhere does it say it's good. Can you read?
>tfw gonna roll an undead warlock and have a whale of a timeI can't wait, bros.
>>747626157This except I'm not a psychotic schizo fighting with voices in my head
>>747626000This isn't Classic. Classic already exists. Why would we care about their opinions?
>>747618640Wrath clasic in 2022 was the last huzzah of wow classic. After the first phase they brought the token after Christmas and all was finished from there. I quit immediately.
>>747626189I quoted >>747625940if that still didn't register.
I'm gonna play Forever mostly because its detractors are really annoying
>>747626192Same, except it will be octowow and I'll actually be having fun while you're buying microtransactions
>>747626217I'm not gonna play Forever because it'll get in the way of me dilating.
>>747626217So much this
>>747626196You are one of those DEI shills
>>747626138>putting in diaper gnomesThe sad part is, while I know you're joking, I can actually see blizzard doing that
>>747626213yep and in that post it doesn't say it's good anywhere. Again, can you read? Is your bot broken?
>>747626157It happened once,It'll happen again,It'll happen Forever
>>747626151You can make the new elves pale-skinned they may as well be high elves. I legitimately do not give a shit about all the elf reskins the gameplay is more important.
>>747626218This except I won't be buying as many octotokens to use on ingame purchases.
>>747622376That's fair but I have a feeling people like you are going to keep saying that while it slowly does turn into retail 2.0.
>>747626192Would you say you're going to have a blast?
>>747626249said the voice in your head
All they had to do was make not burning crusade>neutral races>transmogs>new character models>retail uiThe skyborne druid forms look straight out of retail. And dont you need to buy the epic edition to even play them or some shit? Absolutely disgusting
>>747626259No you're misunderstanding. I quoted >>747625940
>>747626292It sure ain't gonna succubus!
>>747626289>having feelings over meThat makes you gay
>>747626307>being gay isn't freewhat a world
>>747626307Not just straight out of retail, but out of shadowlands, the most hated expansion. Out of everything to base new druid forms off of, why specifically that?
>>747626279A very old meme that still holds true to this day.
>>747626307>Giving a shit about neutral racesIdeologically captured
>>747626283>You can make the new elves pale-skinned they may as well be high elves. >may as well>may as wellshut the fuck up ion and kill yourself
>>747626217i too am giving blizzard my money to own the people who think a retail adjacent client is a poor excuse for a classic game
>>747626334Obviously not because that text is not in that post.
>>747626418I don't think you realize which post I'm quoting.
>>747625708true, its easier than retail for new players who cant get into retailzero pressure or rush, just comfy casual fun for the whole family
Didn't you know? The original devs intended for this sort of thing, they just didn't have time to implement it. In the spirit of classic, modern Blizz is just finishing up their intended work.
>>747625983Maybe if they charge for nuPandas, then they can finally have druids.
>>747626385Shut up faggot I hope they port the blue elves to retail then create some more elemental elves just to fuck with you idiots. Blizzard should just genocide High Elves because the fans are dumb shit eaters more concerned with RP bullshit.
>we're bringing the WAR BACK TO WARCRAFT>queue cinematic>bear acts like a disney princess animal companion>runs around like a curious puppy chasing the light thing
>>747626453I like them
>>747626445I think your bot is broken
>>747626217Fuck, I too hate people who critique corporations.I guess I have no other option. I just have to give the corporation my money to stick it to the people with critique. It's awful, really, but it can't be helped.
>>747626474>Shut up faggot I hope they port the blue elves to retail then create some more elemental elves just to fuck with you idiotsof course, you would suck turds out of hamburger helpers ass just to stick it to people who call your game shit
>>747626536Now—you're just repeating yourself.
>>747626510PVP MMOs are a trap, they will never bring back war because the player base would just optimize it out. It's the same reason why faction restrictions are being done away with in retail.
>>747626578>when you try to post while jerking off and get your wires crossed
>>747626578I don't even play retail, I really don't care about races outside of the racial abilities and stats
>>747626510The borkin pupper is EVERYTHINGI've only had the floofin fuzzball for half a day, but if anything were to happen to him, I would kill everyone in this room and then myself.Heck!
>>747626217I don't know why you would say this. It's like saying "I'm going to eat feces because someone told me not to and I think they are annoying". Like sure, you owned them, but at what cost?
>>747626646>food analogy
>>747626654>food
>>747626636>I really don't care about races outside of the racial abilities and statssoulless automaton
>>747626665>analogy
>>747626654Hello Sir. Good morning.
>>747626636>I don't even play retaillol sure you dont
>>747626687found the jeet
desu if there's any type of player that throws shitloads of money at a game for stupid reasons its WoW and FF14 players. Like they dont hold back on buying every cosmetic or any buyable even on classic servers. You even see this on some older mmorpgs where peeps will pay for bags or other P2W items. FF14 is a little worse though because I know people who maintain the sub despite not playing because they don't want to lose their house.
>>747626453>They were once high elves
>>747626453And just like this Fem Trolls will vanish from the game.
>>747626279WOW: Forever literally states it will be in perpetual Stage 3
>>747626667I want them to add Pandaren and Vulpera as neutral races>>747626694I actually don't, last I played was MoP Classic and I gave up on retail forever after BfA and Shadowlands.
>>747626727>Nexon>ASSFAGGOTS>Gacha>GTA>Roblox>Fortnite>Drug addicts>People who go to Starbucks
>>747626787>I want them to add Pandaren and Vulpera as neutral racesPlease kill yourself. It is for the best.
>>747624982Good thing there's no worldbuffs
>>747626707I think that was the point of that post anon, he was calling the other guy a jeet for calling feces food
>>747626817Don't forget sportsgame normies who buy the $200 deluxe edition.
>>747626840You're not even playing you have no stake in this
>>747617708More like Dead Forever after it hits
>>747626869ok jeet
>>747626674>anal
I do not want Blue Elves. Why not High Elves? Why does Blizzard hate its consumers?>>747622505The Warforged Nightmare made more money than StarCraft 2.>>747622574Ban all Indians
>>747626863>tranny celebrating the game being even less like vanilla
>>747626892Mate, I'm stoked for this shit. Took Friday off work so I can enjoy the beta.Keep your volperas and pandas out.
i just wanted them to keep the shit graphics so my poorfag friend can still play it on his shitty laptop ;_;
>>747626945Buy your friend a mid-range pc for his birthday! It's essentially a present to yourself because now you can have fun playing together.
>>747626941pandas are going to be in forever 100%
>>747626941I want them in because they're cute
>>747626694There's actually a very interesting subtext here which might explain the reason why blizzard has decided to create retail minus.If you're somewhat familiar with retail, you know there's currently a drive to ban ui mods and to simplify the game.There's a case to be made here that blizzard have nosedived retail, and made a product they aren't competent at or happy with stewarding.What does that leave you with? A bunch of people who want to make retail wow but can't, and have no real outlet or way to use their systems and expertise.Enter retail minus and Ion of all people showing you around the presentations. This has all been a trick to swap retail and classic such that the teams and workflows are better utilized.
>>747626991I'm toggling them off. What now, furfag?
>>747622997This is probably one of the better changes.This and the water flow direction etc on the maps.Id like it if the water flow had a gameplay effect where some streams you can't cross because you would get swept downstream, and other streams you want to go down stream as a form of fast travel almost.So if you want it go through ashenvale, one strategy is just to get into the river and it would push you down stream from Hyjal down to barrens almost.Would be a nice little piece of world building to add in that subtlety rewards game/map knowledge with faster transit paths while also making the water ways a bit more dangerous in PvP servers.
>>747627007>classic exists because retail sucksThat was determined from the beginning.
None of the people that made vanilla wow work at Blizzard anymore so why would anyone think this will turn out good?
>>747627035>This is probably one of the better changes.Do you need glasses? Serious question
>>747627025I get panda ass
>>747627025>You have been banned for hate speech.
>>747627065Nobody thought it would turn good, but I don't think anyone expected it would be this bad.
>>747627065Looks good so far.
>>747627065
>>747627149not low textured enough
>>747627149>in the meanwhile, alliance paladin epic mount:
>>747624854Honestly AI would've done a better job.
>>747626774WoW forever is in the final stage. There are no more players from vanilla WoW playing the game really
>>747627149>>747627216and this disparity wont go away no matter which models you use, HD or SD
>>747627327modern Wows get retail.WoW forever is literally targeting the refugees of the WoW private servers.
>>747627149Looks good. Textures are a bit too high res though.
>>747627007Most of the developers are fine.The problem is the artists are homosexual and the product owners are retarded and the bean counters can't even wait for an audience to form before trying to milk it for money
>>747627407no its not lmaoForever is made for retail players who didnt get into classic, its retail 2
>>747627550No.
>>747627216>>747627328They will gather data on who uses what graphic setting and slow boil the andys away. 5 years from now, nobody will actually be arguing in favor of the low res stuff and they'll do a graphics pass.
do the nugraphics have pathtracing?
>>747627619every single thing they added is turning classic closer to retaileasier combat, leveling, gearingprettier graphics, made up gay races, quests about lgbt and trans people, censorship of anything edgy or sexy
>>747627694Please stop responding to my posts.Thank you.
>>747627730You.First.Lmao.Eat.Shit.And.Die.
>>747627542I think a big part of blizzard is trying to be a jewish foid daycare.You have Hamburger fucking Hepler working as a writer on diablo.So naturally they need to find makework for their foids and that's going to be artwork and writing.Hence why retail minus is just shipping new content and moving the actual backend and structure of the game to be identical to retail.There isn't really a design spec they're shooting for here, it's just cynical Product tm and it explains why they're doing herculean levels of marketing and outright lying.
>>747627065why dont they just hire the devs who made vanilla
>>747627625whether you toggle the HD models on or off, the min requirements to run the game are the same and anyone can run this game for the most part.
>>747627841I don't trust boomer devs. They lost the dog in them. Look at Raph Koster making furry mobile games.
>>747627841Most don't want to come back because Blizzard is shit and others are busy scamming retards instead
>>747627841they are washed up. see : all games made by "ex blizzard devs"
>>747627841They can't, anyone trying to avert the collapse of wow is just going to be arguing with foids and simps all day.It'd be like being the holdout juror on the Clancy case. No ones gonna voluntarily do that except for fuck you money.
Notice how you have to pre-order the $60 or $80 box to play the beta and see if you even want to play the game?
>>747627919>KosterWhat do you mean? I just see him making a space game.
>>747627841Vanilla WoW was shit, despite what people in this thread want you to believe. Classic+ is a strict upgrade from it, and the original devs just would've ruined that.
>>747628076yeah that's the one. Anyway he's not a WoW dev, but he's big in old school MMO history
>>747628141It was not shit. I played vanilla and quit early in TBC because I feel the game lost it's spirit after vanilla. I raided everything up until 4 horsemen in vanilla. I was young, 17 when TBC came out and even I could see it was shit.
>>747628267>underage when playing vanillaYou were simply blind to how shit it was by how young and retarded you were back then. Most kids also thought Halo: CE was a good shooter.
>>747627221>muh ai biased to my own context that validates my opinions
>>747628353I was not young and retarded. Most the playerbase was high school to college age. I was in two guilds at high level raiding and we were all that age range. I played classic runescape, SWG, and others. I knew MMOs since about 12. I had been on the internet playing online games since the 90s before most kids even had a computer.
>>747623618You sure he wasn’t in Goldshire?
>>747618078let me help ya here, ladThe game will progress, the world will evolve and the lore change.That's it, classic'tisms are seething because they want to play the same game forever (drop title "WoW Forever")
>>747618078well for starters it sucks
