>And don’t forget you’re going to be here FOREVERGulp… boys i don’t like the ominous sound of that
>30 bucks for the third reskin of the Blood Elves
.....is it not part of the Vanilla+ expansion price, or do they not charge for those?
>>747626462There is no vanilla+ expansion price it's there for your subscription, only the skyggers are paid content
>30 bucks for sex elves
>>747625289>skyborneso this is the creativity of modern western developers huh?
>>747626719Just having a sub gives you access to Forever minus the skyniggas?
>>747625289>what if elves...BUT BLUE?!?!>oh wait we already did that uhhhhh make them feathery or something
how many different versions of World of Warcraft is Blizzard running now, damn?>play wow retail!>play wow classic!>play wow classic+!>play new wow forever!
>>747626909They already did that in Retail
>babe it's time for another freakshit OC elf DLC race
>>747626937Retail, classic, classic hardcore, classic 2, remix, forever
>>747626952Every MMO does this, why can’t they add stuff like a floating brain race, or a race of insects that swarms in the exact shape of a human being?
>>747625289Gonna buy the CE just to make you poorfags seethe.
>>747625289mind explaining it to someone who hasn't touched wow in years? What the hell is a "forever" race?
>>747627116It’s a race that allows you to level past the level cap infinitely.
>>747627116
>>747625289>you dont have to pay anything if you dont want to play the new tranny racesounds good to me
>>747625289do their buttholes taste like blue raspberry?
>>747627173That's racist.
>>747626901Yes
Blizzard supports modern slavery by blatantly selling a race of people.
>No High Elves, Furbolg or Ogres, Goblins, Satyrs>Races that were literally teased as coming in Retail Vanilla, fucking Furbolg is PLAYABLE in Vanilla as a item spell.>Some new fucking Retail design disney elves.At least we know we are NEVER getting High Elves, Furbolgs, Satyrs and Ogres at this point. They would rather make up new Retail style bullshit that actually include the races that you work towards integrating as allies in Vanilla questlines.
>>747627220No, they taste like peak.
Who the fuck is wasting 30 bucks on reskinned assets from a game made in 2004?
>>747626937Seriously. It just fragments the hell out of their existing community. Those committed to their literal legal age characters on retail, and probably those dabbling with Classic on the side.
>>747625289>every single wowfag I know is defending this and talking about how hooyyypeed they areI have goycattle fatigue
And? How people spend their money is nobody's business but theres
>>747625289I'm a chud I'm a chud I'm a fat little chud, playing WoW all day until the sun comes up!
>>747627173Notice how there is still no high elf
lol u fags are competing against starcraft for biggest paypigs ever
>>747627492are you poor? holy fuck, a pizza costs $30 now.
>>747626832wheres her bulge?
>>747627645they will never admit how retarded they were adding BE to horde.
>>747627492
>>747625289You think Skyborne players will get ganked for being paypiggies?
>>747627939everyone will be riding on paypiggie mounts and wearing paypiggy transmog pieces. you clearly dont know modern wow
>>747627037too lazy to make all the armors fit an entirely new race
>>747626832How do they feed their babies?Do they just watch other women do it for them?
>>747627991Shes got a few centuries to figure it out
>>747626832Fuck your mentally ill ass off back to /vg/
>>747627991skycow milk
>>747625289>Make the most unappealing shit ever>that'll be $30 pleaselmao what the fuck is wrong with Blizzard
>>747627492More like who the fuck wants to replay this shit once again, like a couple regions and some quests added is enough for it>implying leveling is also a fun partMaybe it was when you werer 14 and finding out the magic of online play but after that it just feels like the worst way to waste time.
>>747625289I fail to see the problemThey obviously need a way to monetize the new team working on Forever + server costsI’m sure they probably thought of making a new sub for it but the backlash would’ve been worseIt’s the same as buying an xpac basicallyI wonder though if they’ll make it actual paid xpac for it like retail or only updatedEither way I’m excited
>>747628024prompt her pregnant
Do we have to use a last name now?
>>747627972>tfw I turn it off
>>747628195
Blizzard, give me panda druids and you can have my $30.
>>747628332Nice
>>747625289I'm glad they added that race as a warning light to show that they don't understand what people like about classic at all. Now I know to not even bother deliberating about getting into it.
In 2004 you paid $50 and that paid for an entirely new game. It's kind of absurd to think about now, making a new game and selling it.
>>747627470Because like the other anon said those would take work including tons of 3D modelling and retexturing. Everything I've seen in the announcement is just fucking lazy and repurposed garbage from existing retail models and features. It's the laziest, lowest effort slop like new quests and zones which immediately look off and too modern/disneyfied for classic. The rest they stole from Turtle like the camping and talents including holy strike lmao
>>747628253Yes. The usage of the megaserver technology would otherwise make it so that single names would get taken permanently across a whole region, and if the game is popular enough and people make enough alts, you could literally run out of names.
>>747628332>>747628024Only good thing thats coming out of this disaster and disappointing release. We can all wish for Micro ActiBlizz to go fully bankrupt and for Microsoft to dismantle it.
>Elves with no lore that can join both factions This is a very efficient way for Blizzard to tell us they don't care about the story at all
>>747628649so there can be multiple BigDickFaggot's now? so like >BigDickFaggot JEWSRocks>BigDickFaggot Amoncucketc?
>>747627492>Who the fuck is wasting 30 buckscouldn't be me
>>747627173>black elf being more expensive than the irish elfHistorically accurate slavery memeing. 10/10
>>747627037Not every MMO. but you guys don’t care. You just play wow and FF
>>747628727Yes.
why even introduce them as BLUE holy shit
>>747628649>megaserver technologyRIP ausfags playing on 700 ping forever
>>747628831Their tech will sort you by game mode selection(PvP/PvE/RP/HC) + language selection + location/ping. I also assume you can still straight up manually choose region in the launcher before launching the game.
>>747628253I have to think of two names for every character? fuck that
>alternative timeline where TBC didn't happen>Immediately proceed to add transmogs, lore raping class/race combos, Kirian 2.0 from Shadowlands© which can join both factions like it's MoP© slop, all with retail UI, models and animations Nice, that's exactly what people wanted from classic+!Btw without servers or reason to play alliance for paladins this game will be dead within 3 months or whenever they release honor ranks. 90% of people will roll horde for their racials because that's the mindset of a modern wow buck hellbent on minmaxing everything. 50% of the faction will be undead paladins of course and I know this because that's exactly what happened on epoch wow. Except without servers you will have nowhere to go as an alliance player so you will be griefed and ganked until you leave or reroll faction turning the whole experience into a PvE monofaction experience.
>>747629024Real gigachads will just enter their name twice in both fields. My name will be Gigachad Gigachad.
>>747628831Aussies deserve death. Every single time I get into a guild there is one Aussie fuck lagging during raid and always yapping. The last Aussie was like in his 50s and had police arrest him and take his PC because he was a pedo
>>747627991breast size doesn't affect milk production retardflat chest milk is scientifically proven to be sweeter
>>747628813Everquest is literally full of these fucking things and Dungeons and Dragons Online is Dungeons and Dragons, the originator of this cliche.
>>747627037yeah and vanilla wow was the most successful by a mile because it kept things simple and relatable
>want High Elves>get high Elves
>>747627493they can probably see that the playerbase just moves around between different offerings of the game so they (correctly?) think more types of wow = more player retention
Will Vjera come back to the game now?
>>747629349The playerbase moves around so much because they keep fucking each version up sequentially.
tfw the beta isnt out yet
>not selling beta access separatelyblizzard please i don't want your gay elves
>>747625289its literally blue blood elves and also its for both factions. not because they were lazy but because its actually le heckin cool that way like uhhhh pandaria
I feel like this is gonna be some welfare version of the game that hardly gets updated and when it doesnt get updated people will say "Well what did you expect"
>>747629034It's worse than that. 10-20 man raids means less room for dead weight meme specs or bad players like your unc friends or dads. Classic was kinda trash in the balance department but it always had room for few ele shamans, boomkin, shadow priest or retri paladins. Good luck with that when you have to sweat in 20 man groups with difficulty also inevitably going up
>>747625289If this blatant retardation doesn't kill the game I don't think anything will.
>>747625289You mean like an expansion pack?
>>747625289what's funny is the devs gave them the absolute worst racials in the game by a good margin100% after a few months the classic community will just stop grouping with skelves because it's a red flag the person playing is shit
>>747629080yes it does. breast mass is directly proportional to milk production. the jeets at google have coded the ai to spit out specifically incorrect answers to this question. big boobies make lots of milk. its basic science.
>>747629441I think you can even change the skin to white so they look like blood elves
>>747627492Is 30 bucks a lot of money to you?
>>747629527retard
>>747627492You seem to have forgotten this website is full of 40 year old neckbeards who have failed at life by every metric and so desperately trying to relive their glory days of playing an MMO as a wee teenager is all they have to look forward to.
>>747629572Other MMOs with paywall races charge about 2-6$ per race
>>747629614look up milk maids. those were women with big boobs whos whole job it was was to just breast feed tons of babies. the jeets at google are doing a xerxes and trying to wipe this annal of white history off the books
Hordebros... how we coping?
>>747628332>flat colors, sketch, color, colored, artists: mrpotatoparty, kanoji_(ni_kanojo), character: blood elf, warcraft, light blue skin, silver hair,
jeet google code calls them "wet nurse" thats the key word for it
>>747629712what did he mean by this
>>747629515>what's funny is the devs gave them the absolute worst racials in the game by a good marginThe leyline one that gives you mana regen seems like it could be insane. I saw a clip of someone at Blizzcon who used it and went from 20% mana to 100% mana. Imagine a healer in endgame raids practically having their own innervate.
>>747627470Furbolgs get corrupted too easily to be a player character. Satyrs are Burning Legion loyalists anything else is fine.
>>747629515the alliance one seems pretty useful
>>747629759blood elf, warcraft, light blue skin
>>747627983NTA but the way a game like DDO solves this for the Warforged race for ecample is by just having upgrade cores you equip instead of regular gear, though there is some visual exterior progression on your character as you equip higher level ones.
>>747629829>>747629829isnt that what they are
>>747629034what class combos are actually lore raping though, it's only really the hero classes in retail that you pretty much have to be born or reborn into. Fairly certain anyone could learn druidic magic or warlockery as long as someone is willing to teach them
futa, futa on male, corruption, femboy, succubus, feminization, urethral penetration, tentacles
>>747629886That's the point
>>747629474i don't think so, i think retail is going to become retail era or whatever and this will be the new wowit must be awful trying to develop for retail when whales who've been playing for 20 years rage about any and all big changes
>>747629972The undead paladins I guess although I think it's a great idea, blizzard are too dumb to balance paladin/shaman let's be honest, undy paladins are the best solution and let's be honest they are cool.
>>747629474Forever is in the name so they have to update it forever
>>747629515The horde skelf racial seems good for melee characters (and the alliance one seema good for any caster) and haste and extra damage to all elementals seems pretty good if you're doing something like molten core
>>747630026undead paladin feels more natural to me than tauren paladins>>7476298065% ele damage is already bis for molten core and the mana regen thing probably gives you full regen even while casting so that's crazy too
>>747629647Jeetas are famous for disproportionately big (for their size) but ugly hangy boobs anon, this makes no sense. They'd be pushing big boob propaganda
WoW! I can't wait to pay as the Walletborne Elvis!
>>747630026Undead paladins existed in classic, undead priests exist, the only reason horde didn't get undead paladins was for faction exclusivity, hell Night Elves should be able to be shamans too just as trolls should be able to be druids too
>>7476295155% dmg bonus to elementals which is literally all of Molten Core means they will be extremely strong
>>747630026reasonably speaking if undead can be priests, they can be paladins, since they can use holy magic
Is there a worse way to introduce official classic+ than asspulling ugly blue elves
>>747630249Yes. Many ways. They could sell the WoW token, for example. They could have introduced automated LFG/LFD. They could have LFR. They could have made it console/mobile first. And so on, and so on.
>allows you to detect retailfag ingameHow is that a bad thing after all?
>>747629867The way a game like WoW solved this for the Mechagnome race for example was by just letting you equip regular gear without as much visual exterior progression.
You guys are going to play this for another 20 years, aren't ya?
>>747625289I do. Sounds kino.
>>747630143>Undead paladins existed True
>>747630136search which country has largest boobs ill wait
>>747630505Is this slop official blizzard material or your own terrible creation?
>>747630505It's not called World of Warcraft: Another 20 Years
>>747630505why does garrosh wear horns? why does the lady on the tbc "art" have a beard?
where my undead pally mains here?transmog OFF btw
>>747630545I just googled the original release date and found that.
Anyone play Paladin? If I have fully stacked reckoning, seal of command, and a stunned opponent. Do I hit and then judge with seal of command or judge and then hit?
>>747626462>vanilla+ expansion>99% of the content has been out for over 20 years
>>747630637undead animations suck ass so I can't do it
>>747630637>undead pally: rolled>blue elf: paid for>transmog: on>$80 collector's edition: acquired >goyslop: consumed>retail: minus
>>747628831I'm Aussie and I like grouping with my American friends then going back to my own server when I'm done, is that possible here - or? I've not played WoW Classic so I'm not sure if you could do that there or if that's gonna be a thing in WoW Forever
This real less thing is so good. Don't have to worry about anything just pick PvE and you're good. Yeah that's right not PvP. PvP sucks!!
>>747625289>Dungeon Spamming DEAD in WoW: Forever - Mob XP reduced, Dungeon Quest XP massively increasedI asked for this btw
>>747625289>Lock a shitty reskin and zone behind a paywallThis is the new future for Wow Goyever, they will start selling everything as a microtransaction, next you will be buying dungeons and raids individually.
>>747631145>Lock a shitty reskin and zone behind a paywallisn't that just an expansion?
>>747627492WoW goys have to pay $250 a year already.
>>747627492Looney troons. Not even memeing.
>>747631447Isn't it just like 10 bucks per month?
>>747630796>dungeon spam is dead>world buffs don't work in raids>no WoW token>no boosts>no LFD, just manual LFG>no LFRI have to see how Blizzard will handle this game long-term before I fully judge it but so far it seems like they are actually moving in the right direction.
>>747631640>no LFDThis needs to change I don't want to manually look for an hour and have everyone hop out again
>>747630654You're off the hook for now, but I'm watching you.
>>747631817Go play retail then.
>>747625289blizzcattle get what they deserve
>>747631859Nah I'll complain and wait for them to add it
>>747630505bring me a better mmo and i will gladly play that instead
>>747631859>muster up the courage to answer to someone's lfm>they ignore you but still keep asking in chatfuck off this is a malicious system.
>>747631975They will be using the system from Anniversary realms. You sign up in the LFG tool and there will be a big list of people and what dungeons they want to do. So someone might even whisper/invite you without you having to do anything.
>>747631975>muster up the courage to answer to someone's lfmyou're a zoomie aren't you
>>747631975I hope you are trolling but either way you need a spanking, you stupid little bitch.
>>747631975>I'm a defective loser and that's why we have to ruin a perfectly good system of voluntary associationI'd ignore you too.
>>747632096>>747632097I'm a zoomer but not trolling. this was my experience in classic, sure I also found groups who took me in but this is a pure humiliation ritual when they ignore and don't even tell you why
>>747632195Nobody owes you an explanation, mutant.You're not being humiliated. You're not the main character.
>>747632249>lfg>not respondingthey should say nlfg NOT looking then.
>>747625289>paid cosmetic/spit
>>747632195>>747632309Haha poor zoomie
>>747625289for a company that charges 25 bucks for a single mount, that is actually not that bad
>>747632387this is your chance to break the generational trauma uncs.
>>747631859>he thinks there is a difference
>>747632468There clearly is a gigantic difference, retard.
>>747632453How do I do that exactly? We can drop into voice chat on discord and send the whisper together..?
>>747625289I don't play WoW, is there a reason they're making blue elves instead of high elves? They're still not playable, right?
>>747625289>character creation still features Body Type A/BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
You aren't hyped for all the new quests in WoW Forever?You don't want to help fags get married in Stormwind or stop an evil chud from destroying an interracial marriage?Okay what about heading off to rescue some guy's husband? No?Grow up please.
>>747632534I'll give you remote access and you can type it for me then. see you in the threads on release!
>>747632541>is there a reason they're making blue elves instead of high elves?Blood Elf has historically been the most popular race, by far, since its introduction. This "new" race is literally just Blood Elves, but with different skin tone, AND they literally allow you to change the skin color to look identical to a Blood Elf.So it's basically just a very clever way from Blizzard to introduce a """new""" race that they know a fuckton of people will pay for. If they had tried selling Blood Elves, there would be a gigantic uproar because "they were already in TBC, they should be free in this game".
>>747632663>"they were already in TBC, they should be free in this game".I mean they are literally just blue Blood Elves, so I'm sure people feel exactly the same way about them
>>747625289>Ion's infinite mazeYup, it's over
They wanted to sell Forever but thought it better to make it optional. This is a positive for the poors
>>747632646I want to turn a church into a brothel
>>747630505lmao slop
>>747625289Why is Blizzard so scared of giving us faction exclusive races?>but muh Void Elves>muh Nightborne They're LITERALLY THE SAME ELVES ,just with different lore.Give us High Elves and Nagas, or something like that.I do like the whole sub race idea, that's actually pretty cool. But still.Skyborne should not be neutral
>>747626952>blue human with long earsthat's not what freakshit means
>>747633557Faction balance, that's it.As long as they make paladin and shaman their own thing I am fine with it.
>>747633557That would mean that the factions would be different which is NOT allowed at nu-blizzard. Everything must be equal, homogenized and the same.
The same people who laughed at this wanted Ogres in the Horde. It's time to get more inclusive, chuds, the world has changed.
>Pay $15 monthly + $30 to... Play a 2004 game???
>>747633814This is what a female ogre should look like.
>>747631640world pvp will be dead on arrival and it will be the same anti-social community that has been around for the last 10 years
>>747634101They have layer balancing to make sure you always see people.
Why wouldn't you want to play wow FOREVER?
>>747631640nilla raids are already easier than any lfr bossonly difference being you have to manually right click invite the first X retards that whisper
>>747634101It's gonna be a megaserver. No sane individual is enabling pvp just so some incel can corpsecamp him
Im so confusedPeople still play this after they removed spitting from tbc classic?I mean that should have been the final straw if you weren't a cuck literally removing a core emote so paypiggied wouldn't feel bad with their overpriced pre-order mount Has it gotten worse?
Depending on how fast they produce content. It'd be worth it I think. but if they hardly produce any and just milk people.then yea it's get milked forever.
>>747634101World pvp sucks. This shit is gay but that is the most minor problem Hurr durr a rouge 10 levels higher than me won't be able to 1 shot me which is 99% of world pvp interaction anyways boo hoo
>>747633814This might be news to you but the same type of people who are like pircrel are the ones playing horde.
>>747626719This at least clarifies the type of people who have been the paypigs helping fund the turd-morgification of Warcraft.
>>747634495Once they run out of stolen ideas from private servers and are forced to think originally content will stop.
>>747627493how does it fragment? What if:>Gee I want to play retail?You play retail>Gee I want to play vanilla?You play Classic>Gee today I want to try pure cbt experienceYou play Classic hardcore>Gee today I want to play a better productYou play MoP>Gee today I want to play vanilla but I don't want vanillaYou play TBC Classic>Gee what if we had light blue elves?You play WoW ForeverLegit, how does this fragment the community? Everyone and their mother will be playing exactly what they want, with other people that are also playing exactly what they want. The more options we have, wihtout extra costs, is a win/win for the players
>>747628813As much as I liked Allods Online it only really had two interesting races tho...Making Gnomes work like Gibberlings would be fun though and robots > undead
>>747629024I already reserved mine:>Deez Nuts
>>747625289It's all nostalgia. Everything is the same thing. Yeah sure you get a few more zones and dungeons and items. But end of the day you have to deal with modern MMO players. You have to deal with these people and their discord mods and DEI guilds. You have to raid in boring raids. Same shit. Same classes. Same talents mostly. Same shit. I'm fucking tired of it. Classic in 2019 was great then it all fell apart with the classic shop and bots.
>>747634738>MoPHahahahhahahahahhahahahahhaha
>>747625289When talking about the next retail expansion they mentioned "save Azeroth one last time" and that sounded very specific. Retail is over confirmed? Mythic+ in Forever eventually?
>>747634890How can anyone be nostalgic for wow vanilla era. They have been repackaging and selling it with slight changes for like 8 years now. You have to be sub 60 iq to still get excited about boring ass level grinds and molten core
>>747634738How about blizzard makes a new game instead of repackaging the same shit? OH wow some light affects and heckin water updates! OH MY GRAPHICS! The heckin illuminated 2004 graphics.
>>747634982It was good in 2019 because I didn't play private servers and it was my first time to come back to wow since 2007. But the community went to shit and people quit in droves after vanilla. With TBC and Wrath, it was replaced by wrath babies and retail fags.
>>747627492I do.
>>747634696They've got all of turtle and ascension to rip off from. And whatever notes the OG team wrote on napkins.
>>747634890>NostalgiaCan't relate, vanilla was the last version of WoW I tried and the one I liked the most after playing on several private servers and retail.
Pay up suckers!You like you financial domination aren't you bitch boys?
>>747627492me
>>747632541Spite at this point. I don't really get why people like wow elves so much The men have off putting superman chins and the women are too pretty which sounds strange "why is that a bad thing?" Idk its like barbie dolls to me especiallywith how small the necks are making them look like they have bobbleheads. I think nelves and human women in wow look more attractive desu
Is there a place that lists all the changes? I don't want to watch a 2 hour blizzcon keynote presentation they tend to just waffle.
>>747627173Add Day Elf to the picture
who asked for this?
>>747635324Me
>No priestLol
Why is no one theorycrafting builds yet, lazy fucks.
>>747634960>Retail is over confirmed?No, they are bracing for a WoW 2.0. That's the whole reason why they announced the 3 expansions in the World Soul Saga at once, so that it would buy them time to finish up WoW 2.0.Keep in mind, it's not WoW 2 as in an actual new game, it's just WoW 2.0 which means that it's going to be some kind of reset for the lore/world.
>>747635563Nobody cares about this shitty IP anymore, only nu-gamers who care more about how a character looks than gameplay
>>747635383Get him boys
>>747635245The best I can give you is Madseason's video that summarizes everything, but it's still 30 minutes long. Maybe watch it at 2x speed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WmMekGys9U
>>747634960It'll be end of this expansion saga about Azeroth's soul for sure but they can always shit up some new premise for a continuation, there are a lot of options still>Moon/Elune is supposedly getting closer every expac>Back-2-Shadowlands since Sylvanus says something funky is happening there>Break out Sageras from his jail>Time-travelling shit like WoD
>>747628621nigga classic has like 300 items total, it would take a week for a dedicated team to make every item in the game work on ogres
>>747635713I wouldn't be surprised if they do some shit with an entirely different universe like some space traveling shit with Draenei discovering a black hole into another universe.
>>747634547>>747634408>no world pvp>no dungeon farming>no world buffs>new updated graphics>built in quest trackerah yes, the true classic experience
>>747635563Here's one for you for free:>Level Mage>Use Frost Bolt
>>747635903This is a game for Vanilla enjoyers not Classic.
>>747629527You're shitposting but there is no conspiracy involved, it's been a known fact for longer than you've been alive.
>>747635992>Level MageI'm not a faggot
Why are people excited for it? It's the same game.
>>747625289>armour is still painted onto their skin.It's a no from me.
What is this Holy Strike ability for paladins? Is it brand new or is it from another version of WoW? Will I even use it?
>>747636067>It's the same game.Not if you looked at the itemization changes and new quests/areas. It literally isn't the same game. It's an actually New "new" classic experience, that's why the hype. Undead paladin and elf shamans are retarded though, but what can you do?
>>747636156its so og it predates vanilla wow, it was in the beta and cut before release
>>747636172This, it’s literally classic+
>>747636209>Consecrates the caster's weapon, inflicting 3 additional damage on its next attack. All damage inflicted is based on Holy magic.so basically just an extra button to press
>>747627858>"Yes I am subhuman goycattle">Attaches gigatard image>Refuses to elaborateBased?
>>747636156Paladins were supposed to be a defensive hybrid with one silly reckbomb spec you could use. Giving them more and more active abilities means going back to retail paladin design, so prepare for the bubble to get nerfed again. They make the same mistakes because they're the same people who made retail.
>>747636156its crusader strike but its only like 40% weapon damage plus 50 holy damage so it goes through armor
>>747636067>It's the same game.It is literally and objectively not.
>>747636036vanilla's major form of pvp for most of its life was world pvp and everybody farmed dungeons people said even using 3rd party websites to look up quests was cheating back thenthis isnt for fans of vanilla this is for fans of retail
>>747636067blizzard fans are the most delusion, mentally ill addicts on the entire planet. Like they genuinely make nintendo fans look saneI say this as somebody who grew up as a blizzard fanboy, the people who still cling to them arent even human anymore
>>747636172>Not if you looked at the itemization changes and new quests/areasSAME SHIT. You have had what, a dozen expansions now all introducing the same shit? It's all the same game. I don't want to play the same game anymore.
>gamepad supportWe’re going to be seeing WoW on consoles with the next Xbox system release, screencap this. It’s going to be rolled into niggerpass ultimate for $34.99/mo
>>747636156its retail wow, they made basically every classes rotation a simpler version of retail wowthey even gave boomkins eclipse which is fucking gay and retarded
>>747636374>vanilla's major form of pvp for most of its life was world pvpLiterally nothing is stopping you from selecting PvP and doing world PvP in Forever.>and everybody farmed dungeonsYou'll still be doing that to get gear. It just won't be the fastest way to level. If you want the fastest way to level, you'll do the dungeons once for the quest XP and then go back to questing. However, if there's some piece of gear that's going to give you a huge upgrade, of course you'll run it a few extra times to get it.>this isnt for fans of vanilla this is for fans of retailRetarded take. It's for people who want vanilla-style, but a new game.
>>747636445>I don't want to play the same game anymore.I don't mean to sound like a smartass but what other type of gameplay do you think you were going to get in a mmorpg?
>>747634776Bro I used to play Allods Online so heckin much back in the day. Those egipcian mummies that had steampunk tech were a cool race, but I never understood why they all sounded russian even on an english client
>>747636527>leftist pretends to be retarded
>>747636420I finally realized this when I saw screenshots of dozens of people standing around towns on their $99 store mounts...and they were celebrating it.
>>747636505>Literally nothing is stopping you from selecting PvP and doing world PvP in Forever.Except for the fact that literally nobody else will be? It's literally just retail's system>You'll still be doing that to get gear.why would you spend hours farming leveling gear while getting almost no exp knowing you're going to replace that gear in a few levels anyway? It won't be happening and it will make finding a tank 10x harder. Not to mention after the first wave of people leveling it will make finding a group for any dungeon nearly impossible for new players or alts.>Retarded take. It's for people who want vanilla-style, but a new game.It's like retail in more ways than its like vanilla
I love it but the shitty fucking blue elves have almost ruined it completely.
>>747636527MMOs are dead. They are never coming back. They will never be cool like WoW or the early MMOs were in the 00s. That is over. Gaming is over. Grow up.
at least double names are fun, I can name my Hunter "Adolf Critler" and the boar pet "Hammler"
>>747629651naga and undead (well, undead humans) should not be in the same faction as orcs and trollsAlso, factions should have not been tied to races in the first place.
>>747636641>Except for the fact that literally nobody else will be? It's literally just retail's systemWrong. Upon character creation you get 4 choices. PvP, PvE, RP or HC(won't be in at launch). The megaserver will then sort you into whatever you picked, just like if you had picked a realm. The second sorting then gets picked depending on what language you choose. And finally there's the layering/phases/sharding/whatever they use for the final step. Retail has fucking war mode that you can freely toggle on/off whenever in any city. Forever will NOT be like that.>why would you spend hours farming leveling gear while getting almost no exp knowing you're going to replace that gear in a few levels anyway?Because not everyone is trying to speedlevel.>Not to mention after the first wave of people leveling it will make finding a group for any dungeon nearly impossible for new players or altsPeople will run dungeons for normal gear, chase items, transmogs and for the Legacy System stuff.>It's like retail in more ways than its like vanillaIn what fucking way? Give me a couple of examples. It's infinitely more vanilla-like than retail-like.
>>747636854hardcore not at launch is such an asspull
>>747636785>Grow upIt must be hard being the only adult in the room all the time. You better take a break. You've earned it. If only i could updoot your shitpost, alas we're on the chud part of the internet. Stay strong, xister.
>>747636904Yeah, it's pretty dumb. I'm guessing it's because they might want to see how the balancing of stuff is before they release it, so that people don't just get oneshot to some random shit, especially in raids.
>>747636854>Forever will NOT be like that.I guarantee you will eat these words one day>Because not everyone is trying to speedlevel.Ah yes, I guess every single version of classic and the classic seasons have just been the exception then>People will run dungeons to chase transmogs and for the Legacy System stuff.ah yes, very vanilla>In what fucking way? Give me a couple of examples.>combat>rotations>questing>dungeons>world pvp>microtransactoins>unlockable races that can choose factions>cosmetics>raid consumables/buffs >talent trees and dual spec>racialsthe only thing still connecting it to vanilla is the map and no flying mounts. thats it
>>747626832They don't look like that, though
>>747637203They do thoughever
>>747637097>I guarantee you will eat these words one dayBased on what? It came to you in a dream?>Ah yes, I guess every single version of classic and the classic seasons have just been the exception thenAre you trying to imply that literally everyone exclusively leveled through dungeons in all versions of Classic? Because that would be insanely wrong. I've played through Classic, SoD, SoM and some of the Anniversaries, and the world was always packed with people leveling through questing.>the only thing still connecting it to vanilla is the map and no flying mounts. thats itThere's literally no point in having an argument with you, because you are just straight up delusional. You don't even live in objective reality anymore.
>>747627645High elf is white coded
>>747625289>Blue elves>Horde elves>Horde paladins>Shamans can't use 2handersDead on arrival
>>747635684thanks anon
wow forever? more like i'll never play an mmo
>>747633814the people who look like this play female blood elves
>>747637236>Based on what? It came to you in a dream?I have played every iteration of classic and it always turns out that horde dominate in pvp, blizzard goes back on a promise, and it kills pvp servers. The logical step here is that blizzard will just merge the two servers and allow players to toggle it on and off like on retail.>Are you trying to imply that literally everyone exclusively leveled through dungeons in all versions of Classic?No but the majority of people ran mostly dungeons back then as there were no quest trackers built into the game or any popular addons and people would often call thotbot as cheating.> I've played through Classic, SoD, SoM and some of the Anniversaries, and the world was always packed with people leveling through questing.But I thought you said this game was for vanilla fans, not classic?>There's literally no point in having an argument with you, because you are just straight up delusional. You don't even live in objective reality anymore.Hilarious considering you can't even argue one single thing I listed is closer to vanilla than retail. In fact, I bet you never even played vanilla
Metzen drew a picture of Zypher isle in 2003 or something, that’s good enough for me.
>>747637370>No but the majority of people ran mostly dungeons back then as there were no quest trackers built into the game or any popular addons and people would often call thotbot as cheating.This claim is hilariously untrue. Barely anyone in vanilla in 2004/2005 grinded dungeons to level. Stop acting like you were there.
>>747637407they literally said on stream this was drawn while brainstorming ideas for forever, you fucking liar
>>747637446It was either botting or running dungeons in vanilla. If you didn't run ZF 10,000 times you didn't play vanilla. Period.
>>747626832>DFC>fat assOh lawd...!
>>747637223they don'tent albeit, you losted brown.
>>747625289Look. Basically I'm just not gonna buy the 27th elf reskin. I know.. UGH I know.. IM SORRY! It's just that I'm not buying it is all. Hahahaha.
>>747635324Anyone who ever asked for classic + asked for this.
>>747627173>Night Elf>Forest Elf
>>747625289Doesn't WoW already have elves?
>>747637370>I have played every iteration of classic and it always turns out that horde dominate in pvp, blizzard goes back on a promise, and it kills pvp servers.The idea of the megaserver is that this shouldn't happen in the first place. The megaserver should allow them to do a 50/50 split almost everywhere. The reason why people gravitated towards one faction was because having a 50/50 split on a server meant that you'd have overall less people to play with for PvE, AH, etc. but the megaserver should solve that.>No but the majority of people ran mostly dungeons back then as there were no quest trackers built into the game or any popular addons and people would often call thotbot as cheating.The majority of people ran dungeons instead of questing in vanilla? Come on, bro.>But I thought you said this game was for vanilla fans, not classic?What are you even attempting at getting at?>Hilarious considering you can't even argue one single thing I listed is closer to vanilla than retail.I could go through every single one, but you're just going to go "nope" to every single thing, because you have already made up your mind, even if it's objectively wrong.>In fact, I bet you never even played vanillaWC3 is literally one of my favorite games of all time, so I was super excited for WoW and played the absolute shit out of it, to the point of dropping out of my school. I then had to cut back on it when I started at a new school 6 months later and it felt like I was battling a fucking addiction the entire time. I played on Stormreaver EU which was basically known as "Finnreaver" because it had so many finnish people. Some of the people that I played with/alongside later went onto forming the world-first guild Paragon in 2008, where they dominated WotLK.
>>747637719no only high elves blood elves night elves nightborn void elves and haranirwe desperately need more elf races
>>747637717You WILL buy the Emerald Dream Elves and YOU WILL like it.
>>747637739>The megaserver should allow them to do a 50/50 split almost everywhere.So you're telling me that if you merged all of the classic pvp servers together it would end up as a 50/50 split overall? That would be outrageous to claim that considering it was 70% horde and 30% alliance AT BEST on most pvp servers. How exactly do you think its possible for them to maintain a 50/50 split on every shard? How delusional do you have to be to believe this is possible?>The majority of people ran dungeons instead of questing in vanilla? Come on, bro.Most people did not quest past the early levels because the quests were vague and diluted outside of a few of them and nobody had quest tracker. People either grinded mobs or did dungeons. This is how I know you really didn't play vanilla.>What are you even attempting at getting at?That you have moved the goal posts >I could go through every single one, but you're just going to go "nope" to every single thing, because you have already made up your mind, even if it's objectively wrong.Yet you can't go through one.Nice little made up story you have there but I'm not buying it.
>see wow forever>get urge to play for the first time since like legion>think about it>don't like erp any more, don't like raids or dungeons, don't like talking to people>remember mmos today are the exact same as they were decades ago and there's nothing new that will actually let me just exist and be immersed in this world and just do quests and focus on training a profession or somethinggood thing i'm not retarded, i almost fell for it
>>747637920>>remember mmos today are the exact same as they were decades agono they arentnobody is social in them anymore and everybody just downloads mods and reads guides to tell them exactly what to dothey are in fact much worse than they were decades ago
>>747637908>So you're telling me that if you merged all of the classic pvp servers together it would end up as a 50/50 split overall?No, but it will likely be way more close to it than other iterations of the game, because now they no longer have the dreaded "if we don't stack one side on this server, then we'll lose out on playing with 50% of the server" issue.>Most people did not quest past the early levels because the quests were vague and diluted outside of a few of them and nobody had quest tracker. People either grinded mobs or did dungeons. This is how I know you really didn't play vanilla.You are so wrong, it's actually insane.>That you have moved the goal posts Uh huh. You are delusional.>Nice little made up story you have there but I'm not buying it.Believe whatever you want to believe. I was right there on Stormreaver EU with guilds such as The Core Crew, Exploding Labrats, Brotherhood of the Wolf, The Enigma Order, Dark Ritual, sauna, Gehenna, PVP SUX WHENS NAXXRAMAS, Reign of Chaos(who you'll definitely know from doing the 8 man Onyxia video that was popular back then), etc. and was pretty active in the server's IRC channel on Quakenet too.
i can't wait to go up to some autist camping and have him alt-f4 or get phased away or just sit there in silence because he went afkblizz devs are delusional if they think they can force the retards playing their garbage to interact except to insult each-other
>>747638146>No, but it will likely be way more close to it than other iterations of the game, because-And you call me delusional lol
>>747630505>AI got mists and warlords the wrong way roundHoly fuck and these retards like Altman and Musk are actually telling people AI will kill us in 10 years, when it can't even attribute mists of pandaria to pandas
>>747637964>no they arenti meant more with what they offer, like is there any real new major types of content that didn't exist decades ago? raids, dungeons, pvp, item collecting, professions?like it would be cool to actually have something like the xiv thing where you go on a fishing boat with other players and all just stand on the edge of the boat fishing but for all professions, so like a big group smithing area and engineering area etc, just more non-combat content
>>747629034Epoch fag here even before server imploded the ud paladins that actually reached 60 were small so it does not matter if half the server starts playing them
>>747625289>Blizzard finally hits the LORE reset button>Warcrafts III new campaign sets up the newest lore for undead Paladins for the new universe.its a bit too late dont you think ??? all the people they've spruned and pissed off arent just going to magically come back people are right to be angry at this shit for fuck company.
>all these people seething about PvP in the threadWoW is the only mmo that has the balls to do world pvp right and you queeros are seething the community isn't Candyland like in other MMOs
>>747638219Are you mentally handicapped or something? I literally explained to you that the reason why server imbalances happened were due to each server having a finite amount of slots, and if they were 50/50 then that meant that people couldn't do PvE with 50% of the server. So people gravitated towards making servers that were 70/80/90% of just one faction, so you'd have WAY more people to play with.Now with the megaserver tech they can literally distribute each individual layer/phase/shard so that it's almost always going to be an equal 50/50 split, without lowering the amount of people you can do PvE stuff with. The megaserver will constantly be balancing things on the fly, it's not like the old servers where things are permanently set in stone. Are there going to be sometimes when certain layers/phases/shards will still have an imbalance? Obviously, but we're talking like maybe 1-2 imbalanced ones for every 100 that are balanced, just as an example.
They need to add challenging solo contentI don't want to participate in weekly raid slop content.Clearing a raid once or twice is enough for me.Let me play at my own pace.
>>747638559What's the point of playing an MMO then? WoW will always be a poor man's singleplayer game without the people.
>>747638559The game will inherently not be a solo game since it will always be based around dungeons/raids. Maybe the best you can hope for is some sort of 1v1 arenas/brawling eventually and maybe something similar to delves from retail.
>>747638215>world pvplollmao
>>747638675>What's the point of playing an MMO then?to have a world with other players retard, if mmos are only about raids/dungeons/pvp then why the fuck does runescape exist, why did there used to be way more social browser mmos like club penguin and puzzle pirates
>>747629527Someone post that webm of a woman with milk overproduction condition
>no world pvp
>>747625289Why are wowniggers so embarassing?
>>747626832>>747637501littlelunargirl/littlelune is shaped like thisbig fat ass and thighs and almost flatshe has big roast beef lips tho but i like that too
>>747638841>club penguin>MMOL M A Oing @ ure post.
>>747638675WoW is fun for me in spite of being a raiding simulator.I've grown to dislike that part of the game.
>elves hidden away underwater for centuries>elves hidden away in another dimension for centuries>elves hidden away underground for centuries>now elves hidden away in the sky for centuriesHow are they going to fuck the lore to introduce elf reskins going forward? I think they've already covered everything
>>747638914why is it not an mmo retard, i didn't say mmorpgit had more players on your screen than modern wow with phasing kek
>>747639010"they always existed, we don't need to justify anything, chud"
RETOILETS NOT LIKE THIS ACK
>>747638559>Let me play at my own pace.so just pug every raid. you actually cannot complain about how you need to do structured group content with people in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game. you defeated your own argument on line 1. it's not even circular arguing. it's not even a line. it's 1 point. "i hate playing with other people"don't play then.
>>747639010elves from a different timelineelves trapped in mirrorsnew elves that just evolved from humans or gnomes or some shit
>>747639094>so just pug every raid.Pugging with shitter mercenaries just exacerbates what I dislike about raiding.>dont play thenlel.I will.
>>747639201nobody cares that you want to be alone. stop posting. go be alone.
>>747639057>why is it not an mmo retardTo me, an MMO is 1000 players per server minimum, and everyone can interact with each other in some form or fashion. Club Penguin was just 300-600 players per server(depending on what timeframe you look at) and the maximum you could have in one area was 100. So it was basically just like 100-player 3D chat rooms stitched together.>it had more players on your screen than modern wow with phasing kekI don't consider modern WoW to be a real MMO either, true.
>>747639010Elves escaped conflict to live inside the emerald dream.But don't worry they're netural because they need to maintain balance in nature or some shit like that.
>random dudes effortlessly pull cool looking reskins>blizzard be like "Yes, we will sell blue one for 30$"
>>747634738I asusume by the pledditspacing you are only pretending to be retarded but let me answer your question with a question>how does fragmenting our playerbase into *checks notes* 6 different fragments fragment our playerbaseI'll let you figure that one out
>>747639393this is about 300$ worthy of "new" elf races in here
>>747636036>"vanilla enjoyers" with retail talents and and battle passesKYS
>>747639513Vanilla was retail back then and it was always changing
>>747639451i want bottom left troll but with a cute face and normal feetgod i hate that troll women will always have those ugly half bird feet that aren't as sexy as human feet OR bird feet
>>747639451>this is the timeline if Blizz didn't go wokefeelsbadman
Ascension cash shop be like
>>747628495Still true for indie games.AAA is just a big scam aimed at normalfags.
>>747639667half of those are in retail
>>747639580>troll>cutethat's an elf. you need to get out of the closet and just play an elf and stop pretending you're a contrarian.
>>747639753i mean why'd they give the troll the coolest skin texture then, she has nice pretty dull yellow skin and shark-like stripes, that's the kind of skin texture that's worth 30 bucks, not just being blue
>>747627043Cuckold edition?
>>747639861start saving up for dune elves then
>>747638326Anarchy online did it before wow was even released
>>747640028>Special elf classes sold separately.*
Private server third worlders be like
>>747626832Cutie
>>747640193Lmao
>The joke is sex! Good one
>>747640193basedjaks should be switched
>>747636849Weren't Death Knights part of the horde in WC2? Saying undeads shouldn't be in the horde seems kind of late to say to be honest
>>747625289>release soulless nostalgiabait ((classic)) flavoured retail wow for the billionth time>wowtards still make the basedface and clap they never learn, do they?
I can't see this having any legs, people are going to get bored in a couple of months
>>747640718I believe so, but if they were just proto Scourge serving Gul'dan then it doesn't really count. Forsaken are a different thing.
Question. Why would I want blue elves when night elves have the superior model, animations, starting zone, voice lines, and r34? What's the point?
>>747640870it doesnt need to have legs they just need to sell pre order packs
>>747640915Because you cannot be a Night Elf in Orgrimmar You cannot be a Night Elf Shaman or Mage
It's funny how they probably first considered to put high elves / blood elves, but ultimately decided its too much work to add Silvermoon on the map and created some lame ass island instead and to justify it, made them the "new" elves.
>blizzard hide my (no swearing btw) comment under their Blue Elf twitter post embarrassing
>>747640193why are either of those exciting? you're not supposed to get rings until level 20s under normal play.
>>747635903I just don't like world pvp as do most people Wow pvp is actually genuinely terrible and vanilla balance makes it 10x times worse
>UE tier graphicsi don't care>elves locked behind a paywalli don't care>russians being allowed to play in the same servers as the rest of europeI will now instantly lose interest in your game.
>>747627173it really do be like that. fucking cumbrains
>>747641364>the exact same shit will happen in the american server with brazilliansyou're right this shit is DoA
>>747634408no, theres no more realms but pvp pve rp and hc are all different mega servers that you cant switch from unless you die in hc
>Blood elves but tranny flag colorsThe absolutely STATE
>>747641364they were always in euw man theres no escaping them
>>747641513yeah but you can instantly tell they're russian because of their snow rune name and server name and kick and ignore them
SoD specs confirmed for Forever btw
>>747639451the leaf underwear is hot
>>747640870The ideal situation is that they do it like OSRS where every every couple of months there's big updates that the community voted on to get. Now whether or not Blizzard can keep up with a fast enough patch cadence, we'll have to see.
>>747634738>how does breaking a game into 6 different versions that don't interact with each other fragmenting the community????You deserve the world's dumbest goy award, retard.
>>747641148>its too much work to add Silvermoon on the mapThis would have been a complete non-issue considering that they could literally just copy/paste any already existing version of it. It has much more to do with how people would feel sleighted if they sold Blood Elves because they were already included in TBC. Now they get to sell a "NEW" race and people will happily pay for it.
>>747641613turtlewow also had shaman tanks what's the issue here, its a pretty logical classic plus addition
i dont want to pay forever
>>747641364>>russians being allowed to play in the same servers as the rest of europeThere's a language selection. I'm hoping that if you pick English and you speak any other language than English, then that's a bannable offense.
>>747641787There isn't an issue it's just they didn't reveal them directly at Blizzcon.
>>747641794then go play the old republic
>>747641613>you have to find runes in the open worldThis felt really good in SoD when everyone was clueless and had to work together to find things, so I'll welcome stuff like that again.
>>747634495>stupid cow man spilling the milk againBurgers, now.
>>747641753Yeah but they would have to use the instanced version with the portal, they probably didn't want to do it
it's fucking hilarious that "Classic+" is going to have elves that look like high elves, that can be shamans and druids, joining the horde.Shit is so fucking goofy. Makes me think they wanted to differentiate them from blood elves by not allowing paladin/priest, so when belves are released you have people lining up to pay.
>>747641807last time i played i saw chinks talking in the generaland that was legion, i dont want to know how bad its today
>>747641849no
>>747627983Pretty much this, rigging a new model with the thousands and thousands of items is pure hell. But >big company
>>747641753>It has much more to do with how people would feel sleighted if they sold Blood Elves because they were already included in TBC. Now they get to sell a "NEW" race and people will happily pay for it.True but people instantly came up with better ideas and basically the same amount of work, give high elves to Alliance and "undead" elves to Horde, problem solved.
>>747625289I like how the original image said Class because the retard that made it is too stupid to factcheck before posting and getting their updoots
>>747641891they are not high elves
>>747641794You can farm tokens on MoP classic.
>>747636309>Admitting to being poorSorry your EBT doesn't cover WoW
wow the warrior specs are DOGSHIT
>>747641942>undead" elves to HordeNo thx
>>747642002play paladin
>>747642002goodIM TIRED OF NEVER FINDING WARRIOR ITEMS BECAUSE EVERYONE IS PLAYING FURY WARRIOR AND STEALING MY PROT DROPS
>>747638875>modify HS to dismount targetsThat's a bit wonky but I guess it's slightly better than "improved HS that you'll never use".Still taking moar rend and defensive, my body is a machine that turns rogues into rogues with res sickness.
>>747625289>>747627173It's stupid but it's obvious why they did it, normalfags have always been addicted to elves.Going by model alone blood elves are the most popular race of both factions two times over.Oldfags would've been happy with ogres or goblins or whatever, but by the numbers this is the smartest move to make.Elves empty shelves, take it to the bank.
i hope you all choke
>>747642023Still better than pale blue sky elves
>>747642002Put on the shield brownie, Aff warlocks and Survival hunters are here to carry
>>747642070In the game of ideals we don't have to settle for half measures
>>747639451Why do they all got man-abs?Why the draenei have weird muscle tone now?
>>747641942>give high elves to Alliance and "undead" elves to HordeSure, but I'm guessing Blizzard/Microsoft wanted to sell something that would 100% make them a lot of money, and since Blood Elf has been the #1 most played race since it was introduced, they basically get easy money from this. It kinda sucks from a feel and lore perspective, but at the same time if it funds the game and makes Blizzard/Microsoft more confident, then it's one of the least offensive ways they could do so. They could have done shit like WoW token, battle passes, cash shop, etc. so this is the lesser evil.
>>747642149You're implying Blizzard should decide on full dogshit ideas instead of half-dogshit?
>>747636209Thanks for repeating what they said on stage zoomie zoom.
I will play it and roll a Sky Elf
I only play blood elfIt’s a good decision
>>747641807blizzard doesn't even ban bots, why the fuck would they ban people picking languages other than their own? you are delusional
>>747634562>women>playing hordeNot before blood elves they weren't.
>>747642305>>747642319Look at all the slimy pay piggies sliming out the woodwork with extra slime
>>747642337>why the fuck would they ban people picking languages other than their own?What else is the point of them adding the new language selection system?
Who the fuck thought the Rogue talents were fine? That shit is overpowered.
>>747639451Blizzard could never
>>747625289ain't that just a normal high elf?>but the skin is blue!okay....
>wah my shitty duels and running around a pilarfuck off to your shitty genre this is a mmorpg
>>747642494That will be$30 please
>>747640193WoWF ring has the retail values which advantage healers built in, compared to Turtle WoW.They're gonna do the immortal healers yet again.top>+9 heal + 3 dmgbottom>+5 heal and dmgThey're doing the immortal druid spamming rejuv and regrowth while being chased by 3-5 dps yet again. BOY am i hyped to play retail with a classic paintjob.
>"we're making a game for true vanilla lovers!">look inside>retail talents and skills, LFG, phasing, battle pass, cash shopB-But at least you'll stay level 60 forever
>>747631817No fuck you LFD auto-grouping and teleporting you into the instance and back to where you were again killed the dungeon experience.You should have to socialise to meet people to group up and dungeon together, it should be a challenge, it should take time with substantial rewards. If you dont like that shit why are you playing an MMO?
>>747642431Balancing is going to be an ongoing thing. Shit that looks broken at 30 will probably not be broken at 60. And things that are broken at 60 will not be broken next month due to balancing changes and/or new gear from new raids, and so on and so on.
>>747642501>fuck off to your shitty genre this is a shitty genreWhat did xe mean by this?
>>747642653>They're doing the immortal druid spamming rejuv and regrowth while being chased by 3-5 dps yet againForgot to mention that this is arenas balancing for classes and items because 1 healer has to keep up 2 others including himself. So you're getting the bad side of arenas being in the game without arenas being in the game. Fucking shoot me.
>>747642431I expect a lot of shit to get changed during the beta. Even the Blizzcon demo seemed like an earlier build so I wouldn't be surprised if talents and stuff are already different on beta.
>>747642754healers have to be able to outheal more than dps in bgs tooand rings favoring healers instead of being equal for dps just means people arent all rolling on the same 2 items, thats a good thing
>>747642657>retail talents and skillsYou have never played retail
>>747642657>retail talents and skillsThe talents and skills are still 80-90% classic/vanilla.>LFGWhat's retail about that? Retail has LFD.>phasingPretty sure it will just be layering.>battle pass, cash shopNot in the game. At least not yet. Maybe they'll break down and add them in a year or two.
>>747642657>Battle passNo money, its just for rolling alts, and its all cosmetic based no gameplay bonuses. Its just a way to let you level alts more conveniently.>LFGLFG is great as a tool that lets you find people rather than manually spamming chat channels and whispering randoms in the zone. It was LFD with its teleporting cross realm bullshit that was bad>Retail talents and skillsThey're reworking the talents and spells from classic/sod, not retail
>>747641251>Wow pvp is actually genuinely terribleits terrible if you suck
>>747642340a lot of them played tauren female or female dwarf before tbc
>>747642754They'll probably add arenas later.
>>747642653they didn't think it through because they gave prot paladins shit tons of ways to get mana back so they'll be able to hold aggro by healing themselves and everyone is still going to aoe tank everything. they can get even 100% casting pushback resistance. that's a dead giveaway that the devs working on wow forever did not play classic because that's how holy paladins tanked the adds on morogrim.
>>747639451>ai generated skin textures
I'm not really up to date with wow lore. What are these blue sex elves supposed to be?
>>747642731it means take your meds no one said that
>>747642936Its pretty bad, go play an actual decent multi-player game.
>>747642948undead and troll priest were the girl horde class/races in vanilla, furries played horde druids
>>747642963>and everyone is still going to aoe tank everythingThey talked about how consecration is only going to do max damage to 4 targets and then way lower damage to other targets. Some people have also said that there's going to be an 8 target AoE cap, but that seems unconfirmed.
>>74763050520 years of cancer
Will botting Forever be a problem?
>>747642879>HealersFaggots no you dont because there are alot more of you then you think, one thing that always bothered me is the way all games with healers cater to them, you SHOULDNT be able to delay the death of others so permanently that its takes a fucking year and a half of 5 fucking people to kill a single guy.That shit is BAD design and iam tired of you fucking asshats getting babied.
>>747643145Of course it will, especially with AI.
>>747643045>Its pretty bad, go play an actual decent multi-player game.na I'd rather play a trash game, kill the trash players in it and make them bitch and complain and say it's the game that's bad not them, then they can talk about how when they go play actually well balanced games designed for competition they are actually good at them and it's me that actually sucks since i'm only good at a bad game.
>>747643009they're just made up ex nihilo, nothing previously suggested they existed
>>747642879>healers have to be able to outheal more than dps in bgs tooThat's my point, it's retail itemization and balancing. It's the same game. I thought they were going to keep the whacky classic itemization and not make healers immortal yet again.>and rings favoring healers instead of being equal for dps just means people arent all rolling on the same 2 itemsIt's not a good thing because it favors one side over the other, by giving healers +++ healing while also giving them damage, while dps only get lower +damage. They're once again repeating the class design from retail in a game which wasn't built for BGs or Arenas. On top of that, i can guarantee you that there's no additional items which favor only dps, so for example there won't be a ring with +20 spelldamage because the point is to make sure healers have the upper hand instead of the game being built as a free for all in terms of no sides being advantaged like classic was. In classic, if you were a healer then your damage was absolute crapola, on top of you not being able to keep a whole team up by yourself while also being immortal or very hard to kill.The same retail people are building classic+, so expecting classic from retail designers is like expecting your dog to suddenly shit ice cream after shitting out turds for years.tl;dr FUCK FUCK FUCK FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>747642319it's not a blood elf though. it's not even a high elf.
>>747642167Those are Eredar, they have more muscle tone to appear more imposing since they're meant to be more demonic. Also, there's nothing wrong with Nelves' abs, have you ever seen a female body builder? They look way more ripped than that.
>>747643246>The same retail people are building classic+, so expecting classic from retail designers is like expecting your dog to suddenly shit ice cream after shitting out turds for years.personnel is policy, etc
>>747643220Wall of seethe.This nigga actually plays the dogshit unbalanced mini game hahahaha I would respect you more if you played Mario partyThat's just as unbalanced and trivial but least its made well
>>747643246>The same retail people are building classic+Literally not true. It's an entirely separate team. The same guys who did Classic, SoD, SoM, etc.
>>747643312>have you ever seen a female body builder? They look way more ripped than that.well yeah injecting a bull's worth of testosterone will do that. have you ever seen a natty female body builder that's not an olympic-tier hormonal outlier?
>>747643312looks like men are you gay
>>747642950>They'll probably add arenas later.That's what i was hoping they wouldn't do. Right now, with that itemization design, you're inhaling second hand smoke without being able to smoke yourself. Being able to smoke isn't any better, it's worse.I'd prefer that second hand smoke and smoking not being in the game, if possible. I can play retail if i want arenas and arena influenced class/item balance and design.
>>747643312Yeah but body builders nowadays as a whole are kinda fucked in terms of how hard they go on it.None of those fuckers look normal on either side.
Wow fags love world pvp so much they make sure to almost always join servers with 99% of players on faction and join that factionThey love it so much they make sure to turn off war mode whenever they might have to do it They love it so much pve servers are more popular Don't worry I do the same shit, because its bad and I don't bother with terrible gameplay
prot paladins can still generate threat via healing and that will be threat on everything. you can take early holy talents as prot that give you 30% of your mana regen while in combat, the new seal gives mana back when the shield on it pops, the prot talent gives you 6% of your max mana back every 3 seconds when you block,and you can use spiritual focus+conc aura to not get push back. fuck, you can pick up 5/5 illumination(50% mana refund on spell crit) in holy and still grab your 31 pt prot talent.the devs are fucking retarded because this makes proy/holy by far the best tanks for dungeons and they'll do it via healing aggro. the devs legit have no idea what they're doing. if they actually played classic they'd know about these paladin strats. this is a super mega red flag imo.
>>747643461>That's what i was hoping they wouldn't doTheir whole idea with WoW: Forever is that they want to do what Jagex is doing with OSRS where they poll the community on things and the community decides. So if there's ever going to be a poll with "should we add arenas?" I'm guessing it might pass.
>>747643416>Literally not true. It's an entirely separate team. The same guys who did Classic, SoD, SoM, etc.So that means other people have hands up their asses or something? Why are they repeating the same item design as retail? Cut the + healing and make it all equal +damage&healing. Otherwise, why bother with WoWF if the same game is available on retail, where most people already have years of investment?
>>747625289>And don’t forget you’re going to be here FOREVERuntil you die, of courseMy friend played WoW from its release until April of this year, when he died of a systemic infection caused by a lack of basic hygiene.
>>747643574meant for >>747643063
>>747643504dungeons don't matter in forever wow you will only do them once and then never again, they nerfed the exp and rewards so you do quests instead. only the dungeon quests have high exp
>>747643624vaguely based desu
>>747643574You have no idea about itemization and threat though. It's very possible that DPS just smashes everything so hard that what you're describing is a complete non-issue, or not even possible.
>>747643650this is wrong
>>747642653>retail with a classic paintjobIf rotations had the APM of retail, the average classic player would have an aneurysm. You're overreacting, specs look like they just borrow one or two defining things from some iteration of their class between WotLK and Legion. The only shocking things alongside all of it is that holy pally didn't get beacon and disc priest didn't get atonement. The latter is probably for the best though.
>>747637717>Lightforged Draenei
>>747643719>Kris Zierhut: “Now, one place experience did change is we made a big change to our dungeons. In that the amount of XP you get from killing monsters in dungeons, we brought way down.>But we made the amount of XP for completing dungeon quests much, much, much higher. So your first run through a dungeon is amazing. You get tons of XP. You get great rewards.>But going back over and over and over again isn’t the best way to go. You’d be better off going to Shen’dralas or Riverglades or Hyjal instead of grinding a dungeon. We want people in the outdoor world meeting each other.”
>>747643616>Cut the + healing and make it all equal +damage&healingThey don't want healers that have one item set that does everything, which might also make them gods in PvP, especially 1v1.
>>747643648I think tanks gaining aggro via healing is kinda cool, feels older than WoW.
>>747643805wtf
>>747643650You'll want to do them to hunt for rare chase items, for transmogs, for mounts, for the Legacy System, etc.
>>747643560>They love it so much they make sure to turn off war mode whenever they might have to do itthere's no point in pvp servers when that option existsmuch less with layering and sharding and all the other shit that ruined world pvp
>>747643650even if that's true, you will be doing max level dungeons for gear. >>747643712if healing generates no threat that's a completely separate issue where healers never have to worry about pulling aggro and that's a vastly different game. but we've seen them adding a lot more "hybrid" gear though, the tanking via healing playstyle is going to be enabled through that. you might be able to have the paladin tank also be your healer too so you can take 4 dps. or your elemental shaman can off heal.
>>747643805>Shen’dralas or RivergladesWhat the fuck are those?
>>747643784>You're overreactingIf the itemization in that pic is just one item and isn't representative of the rest of the game, then yes, i am overreacting. But if you play the beta and see the very same stuff across items, with healers being advantaged in a game which is supposed to not be retail, then you've got serious problems because it means class design will be influenced by item design going forward. If the item guys don't talk to the class design guys, your direction is unknown for the future of the game.
>>747643063>>747643805Mages BTFO forever.
>>747644010they are destroying the game you fucker
>>747643805They're seriously killing dungeon grinding? That's a terrible change, between that and abilities only hitting 4 targets they really don't want people running them lmao.
>>747644010everyone BTFO'd really, good luck finding a tank 2 weeks after launch, why would any tank or a healer do a dungeon if they've already got the quest rewards when there's no exp in it for them IDK it just seems short sighted in order to kill boosting and incentivize questing. leveling a healer will suck too solo
>>747644045Yeah, everyone loved mage spellcleaves and boosters and ZG farmers.
>>747644195lmaaooo good times
I need a good last name to use
>>747643805https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/40367702/world-of-warcraft-forever-interview-zones-races-skills-levelling/Here is the full interview, not much else interesting is said other than dungeons are a 1 time thing leveling
>>747644138>That's a terrible changeIt's a great change. A ton of people who otherwise would just sit in dungeons from 1-60 now have to actually participate in the game's world. There's still going to be plenty of dungeon grinding at max level, but for gear instead of XP.
>>747644195chaining sm runs is literally part of the classic experience
>>747643984Well the item is literally called "runemender's seal" it's clearly a healer item. That is not indicative of the number that pure +spell damage gear would have on it at that level.
>>747644301They aren't 1 time you can keep running them if you want a shot at more gear. But dungeon mob xp is heavily nerfed while dungeon quest xp is buffed.
>>747644271Nick Digger.
>>747644195you say it like its a bad thing and not what like fucken ~~40% of people liked doing and played the game for so disenginous
>>747644010As an eternal mage main, I will take the dungeon boosting nerf in exchange for Arcane being an actual talent tree, thanks.
>>747643312>could have gotten abs and definition>instead blizzard chooses the laziest route and does the simplest recolor possible I haven't played in years and I'm still mad.
>>747644390gear that you will replace faster and better by questing, nobody is going to do them more than once while leveling get real
>>747644541>dungeons dont give good geareveryone knows you're lying now was it worth it?
What if I just want to play the new starter zones but not be a faggot elf?
>>747628332men only want one thing
>>747644337Leveling via dungeons was always a popular leveling strategy and people liked doing them. Like >>747644349 said, Scarlet Monastery is popular because everyone loved doing dungeon runs there. People loved doing repeat Deadmines runs to get their Defias gear too but now you're disincentivized from gearing up in dungeons while leveling because the EXP will be worse and you'll "fall too far behind" people just doing quests.That's an abysmal change, it forces you to play the way that blizzard wants you to play and it's the exact same way you level on retail where dungeons are one and day bursts of EXP. No one does retail dungeons more than once because the gear is going to be replaced so quickly but in classic, those pieces from dungeons could last for 10 or 20 levels. The fact that this was added to a version of WoW that supposedly cares about horizontal progression is a joke. Final Fantasy XI, one of the prime horizontal progression games, had level 30~ items that are still used at the level 75 cap. Some are lower than that, you could be using a level 7 pair of boots until 75 and some level 20 gloves were used at 75 for Summoner.
>>747644541There's a fuckton of casuals who will do them for transmogs.
>>747644648If it's really like classic, you just run there.
>>747644648There's almost certainly going to a way to get there
>>747644667>and you'll "fall too far behind" people just doing quests.They specifically said that WoW: Forever is a "stop and smell the flowers" kind of game and they don't want you to rush to max level. If you want to do the max level rushing by spamming dungeons, you are completely free to do that in any other version of WoW.
>>747644529Yeah, but those are nice eredar. You have to be evil for optimal gains, anon.
>>747644647wtf are you talking about they spoke about adding more quests and better quest rewards to the world, nobody is going to run multiple dungeons to get slightly better stats while leveling when they can get comparable if not better gear and more exp at the same time from quests. dungeons exp was merged quests were buffed do the maths moron>But going back over and over and over again isn’t the best way to go. You’d be better off going to Shen’dralas or Riverglades or Hyjal instead of grinding a dungeon. We want people in the outdoor world meeting each other.”
>>747644798It doesn't matter if the devs want the game to be that way, players are going to rush to max level. Players have been trained into that mindset over 24 years. You can not expect players to do otherwise, and thinking they will shows the devs don't even understand the people they are making the game for.
>>747644674you get the transmog when they drop for anyone in the party unless they're epics so you don't need to pick up items individually, and people will just do them at 60 and not waste time while leveling. IDK why you have to make these mental gymnastics for people running dungeons when they won't unless there is an incentive
>>747644937>It doesn't matter if the devs want the game to be that way, players are going to rush to max levelSure, but they will do everything in their power to slow it down, it seems.>and thinking they will shows the devs don't even understand the people they are making the game for.I think you are confused. They know who they are making the game for. WoW: Forever is mostly going to be for casuals. The only "hard" content will be endgame raids and the difficulty level will likely be something similar to either vanilla or SoD raids. This isn't going to be a game for people who enjoy things like high-end M+ or mythic raiding.
The retail-like aesthetic of the Sky Elves shows they've learned fucking nothing. Also, the fact that they added a whole new race in the first place when Warcraft's big weakness is adding too much shit, thus diluting the value of everything came before.Going back to the start with a new storyline would've given them so many opportunities to flesh out on what was already there, but Blizzard would never do that. Imagine if they did shit like:>Remake night elves more in the spirit of WIII>Fleshed out the cultures of the original races, for example different orc clans, human nations, etc.>Maybe even shit like having 4 factions instead of 2, TFT was setting up either no factions or more factions than what we got. We could for example have Horde, Alliance, Sentinels and Forsaken instead, for example.
>>747644271Holycaust
>>747645239>Going back to the start with a new storyline would've given them so many opportunities to flesh out on what was already thereI think the whole point of the game is that they want to have a clean slate to do whatever they want without limits, while retaining the classic-ish style. They started the whole thing by saying "we want you to play this for the next 20 years".
>>747644271Goyim
>>747645239That all would have taken effort, big no go
Gnome rogues are going to be pure rapists in pvp >10% damage buff and resource cost reduction on the next 3 spellsC'mon man
>>747645232>Sure, but they will do everything in their power to slow it down, it seems.If that was true they wouldn't be having a beta. The level 1-30 questing experience will be minmaxed and either sold as a guide or put up on youtube and everyone will follow that so they can be one of the first to hit max level and then sit around doing nothing for 3 weeks waiting for raids to unlock. Maybe they'll make an alt and run it back.>Forever is mostly going to be for casuals.So it offers nothing to the people that were already playing classic and most retail players that do things other than farm transmog and mounts?Retail casuals want to get to max level quickly and the entirety of classic devolved into speedrunning dungeons and raids. From the sound of things, they turned leveling into retail but over a week instead of a day. Well, for casuals it might be 3 weeks instead of 3 days. I'm not sure casuals are going to like that, I'm not sure they'll even hit max level when GTA 6 is 2 weeks after the launch of Forever.
>>747626832you son of a bitch im in
>>747643784Mostly it looks like it's taking one or two TBC talents and merging useless ones together to make room for them. I like it honestly but I fear paladin will be overturned like it always is
>>747645414damn I like this
>>747627816And pizza is delicious. What’s your point? You want reskinned elves just because you think them and pizza are equivalent?
For me It's female goblins
>>747639448>I have 0 arguments agaisnt your point, so instead of having a civil discussion on a board specifically made for discussion, I'll just make fun of your word spacing and compare it to another site huehuehuheuheYikes batman, grow up
>>747627173AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABLIZZDRONES ARE THE BIGGEST GOYCATTLE IMAGINABLE
>>747627492WOWretards. Theyvare that stupid
If you still play wow you are most likely a tranny and a fag so who cares?
>>747646172anon it isnt realfor now
>>747627173AI art was mankinds worst mistake
I did the math and found I can do a 905 Bloodthirst every 6 seconds. Should I try this out in WoW Forever?
>>747646336How did you calculate that when you don't know if Bloodthirst has ranks nor the amount of attack power you will have at max level?
>>747645681Yeah, I saw the holy talents and immediately noticed that you can set up light's vigil and when it's off CD>holy shock>2nd light's vigil>holy shockWhich is going to be a lot of AOE. Probably why the up front cost of light's vigil is so high is to force you to plan to do that sequence. You will definitely see some bullshit from paladins, haven't put much thought into prot and ret since I don't play them in any version of WoW.
>>7476439274 new zones in Forever.>Zephras Isle1-12, Skyborne starting zone>RivergladesMid 30s - Mid 40s levelling zone in EK, designed to address the levelling drought>Mount Hyjal + Shen'dralasEndgame zones
>>747627635Heh, I heard the music in my head as the seal clapped along to the lyrics
>>747645604Balanced by the fact that they wont be that common at all, likely to be the least popular race in Forever.
>>747631640>no WoW tokenUntil they add it in a year or two
>>747646517I'm using normal Classic ratios???? Everything I calculated is already in Classic WoW just deciding if I should try it in WoW Forever.
>>747643610>So if there's ever going to be a poll with "should we add arenas?" I'm guessing it might pass.Damn. Then i guess it's "classic forever" for me then.
>>747646909Arena is trash
>>747646835Did you even realize Forever Bloodthirst has different values from Classic? And it could be rank 1 as I said. We also don't know how they're changing things at max level, if scaling works the same for example
>>747644937You're forgetting that gear will be more impactful as levelling is slower than retail. Yes you might get a couple levels ahead of someone by doing a dungeon once, completing every quest in one swoop then moving on to just doing questing in zones outside,But a player that runs the dungeon a couple times more can end up with better gear than you. The blues you get from levelling dungeons can last you like 10 levels and have a decent impact on levelling speed.
>>747647012Dungeon blues simply aren't worth it if you're not getting good EXP at the same time, it's faster to level up more to get the green that's going to replace it anyway.It's no longer worth the time investment to farm those items that last 10 levels if the alternative is gaining 5 levels via questing instead in that same time frame. People will either skip dungeons and focus solely on questing since 1000 more quests were added, or do the dungeon once and fuck off and never look back. It probably depends on their proximity to the dungeon. I doubt it will be worth doing RFK as alliance as an example, the Corpsemaker and go fuck itself.
>>747645239>>Remake night elves more in the spirit of WIII>>Fleshed out the cultures of the original races, for example different orc clans, human nations, etc.>>Maybe even shit like having 4 factions instead of 2, TFT was setting up either no factions or more factions than what we got. We could for example have Horde, Alliance, Sentinels and Forsaken instead, for example.
>>747646942I agree, that's why if they add arenas in forever i'm gone with the wind.
>>747646942I don't mind arena, the problem starts and begins when you make ranked bgs/arenas where you get special gear that's better than whatever you can farm in regular battlegrounds. If they add in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, and even 5v5 but it doesn't offer any special rewards (except maybe some cosmetics) then I don't see the issue with it
>>747646942>t. challenger
>>747648038The is they will start "balancing" around 2v2 and we all know how that ends.
