>AZEROTH EVOLVES COMPLETELY ON ITS OWN FOREVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!Does anyone actually believe this shit? They'll eventually go off-world with TBC+ or TBC Forever or whatever the fuck. It will all begin again and everyone will swear by this new timeline until another hack writer throws a wrench into everything, rinse and repeat, until we end up with several shitty WoW timelines instead of just one. They already shat the bed by adding another special snowflake OC fanfic asspull elf race.What a fucking shitshow.
you people are so dramatic sometimes
>>747627074>TBC+ or TBC Forevereasily fixed with Illidan's time travel shenanigans
generals belong on /vg/
>>747627074What? If the dark portal doesn't open there wouldn't be orcs and trolls and a bunch of other shit. Is it just humans fighting elves?
>>747628432Trolls are indigenous to Azeroth.
>>747628432Dark Portal was closed after the war, he means reopened during TBC
>>747627074We all know its a shit show. I am not playing this, no one will play this. Those replying to you are faggits. That or you're replying to yourself OP like the shill that you are.
>>747627074Wait a second why did the dark portal open again in tbc?>le illidan ordered le kazzak or somethingBut (before faggot legion retcons that ruined his character even more than tbc did) he was trying to lord over outland, why would he open the dark portal? And if it was kael'thas or kil'jaedan...why also? Now their forces are split and theres yet another contending faction fighting them when theyre already losing outland to illidan. Makes no sense, why would they even want the shattered outland anyway it got ravaged from ner'zhul spamming portals and they have a million other worlds under their control
>>747628651Kazzak was working for the burning legion, Illidan just wanted to chill.
>>747628651>why did the dark portal open again in tbc?Jailer.
>>747628860Im talking about in tbc during the time, not faggot ass later decisions in writing>>747628750Yeah but why did they give a shit about outland at all? Kael'thas was a crackhead in a crack factory, magtheridon got chastity caged and the planet was basically in ruins anyway
>>747627074I think the people who currently are playing WoW classic or retail will play it because they have no standards. It will do a poor job at bringing back old players.
>>747628990Wasn't it more the case of the planet already being overrun with legion, and working as a perfect beachead for the invasion of azeroth?
They should've branched off in 3.0, not in fucking classic. The gameplay isn't what went to shit in WoW. It's the world building and writing. In Runescape, the game fundamentally went to shit, demanding a full reversal with OSRS. This isn't it.
I hope Blizzard learned that writers are the last thing an MMO needs. Of course this is Blizzard, so no they didnt. All those women they hired got to do something.
>classic*>belf recolor on both factionsI hate this so much.Why even have factions in this new iteration of the game when the theme is "muh cozy adventures"?Besides, factions don't work unless you pigeonhole everyone on the same mega server.
Classic+? More like Retail-
>>747627074How hard could it have possibly been to make winged elves? Everyone would have been happy. This pallet swap shit is so low effort.
stay mad faggotswowforever is looking dank as fuck, get hype
>>747629327The answer would be money but it also doesnt make sense since paywalled High Elves/Blood Elves would generate way more than ugly blue elves so the answer is trannies forcing their ugly OCs as usual.
>>747629376there are no servers anymore because they know the playerbase will be so small
In this house we love sex elves
It's literally Retail, complete with the gay fucking LGBT race.
>>747627074They have 400 islands they can add back in rather than open the dark portal
Literally all they had to do was give alliance high elf and horde forsaken elf. It accomplishes the exact same fucking thing without needing to make a shitty OC race.
Never played wow in any capacity before. I've already bought the beta access and I'll be playing the game on launch.
>people still subscribe to play a game they already bought Holy fucking cringerino
>>747627074All they can do is continually rehash games from 20-30 years ago because all new games are FTP slop that exist to sell microtransactions to children.No one really wants this. Classic already happened 7 years ago and everyone got their black qiraji mounts who wanted them."Horizontal" gameplay is what Everquest had to resort to when it ran out of content, endlessly farming extra talent points and very rare gear with weird stats. It's not good. It's not clever nor new. There's only so many ways you can rearrange the same steak dinner on a plate and call it a new dish before even the most gullible twats figure it out.
They should just reboot the setting
>>747629437>AI troonkys
>>747629464or give horde ogres because it's the horde and not gay shit
>>747627074yeah it's not gonna workfor it to work you had to make levelling to 60 take 6 months, add like a dozen new professions and make them integral to the gameplay. like a hunter having to woodcut and fletch their own high-tier ammunitionpeople aren't gonna level like 5 alts doing the same shit to unlock a talent that makes food heal 5% more
>>747629529You're right but a lot of us thought that vanilla was never really finished properly. I mean Blizzard themselves thought this when they redid everything in cata.It could be better. Looks like nu-Blizz give no fucks about actually making it better though
Ahh... Classic... home
>>747629464What do people actually expect from High Elves? They get genocided in WC3 by Arthas and then the Alliance tries to genocide the survivors too. They started calling themselves Blood Elves instead for a reason, the only """High Elves""" left are wives for the writers self inserts
>>747629781just ignore them broanyway i need to go it's my turn next at the ion's milking chamber
>>747629781Of course, what Vanilla was missing this entire time was the Nightborne
>>747629702That wouldn't work because everyone would just play alliance because elves are pretty. Horde would need a pretty race too, the first anons suggestion was perfect. Idk how they missed the mark this badly.
>Whole point of Classic+ would be that it would elaborate on loose threads and cut content from the original base game>Instead the first thing they do is introduce an OC donut steel race that had absolutely zero presence in the setting
>>747629654This is an AI troon thread, didn’t you see the OP?
>>747629292That is objectively wrong.WoW would never take off without the RTS trilogy getting a foot in the door.The story was always there. The only difference is that in the older days you had to read the quest logs and novels instead of being spoon-fed cutscenes.
>>747629798Anon, if you can justify blue cloud elves, you can justify one of the original races in Warcraft.
>>747628432Yo nigga da trolz re da real azeeroth and shieeeet
>>747629823They have a very different idea of what Classic+ shoud be. It's monkey pawed from the start. It's a shame, but that's life. Be happy they dropped the ball this early on. No need to waste anymore time on this
>>747629857The original race is just Blood Elves though, I'd rather they'd have added Blood Elves too but idk what they'd add for Alliance since it would be like adding Israel to a WW2 game on the side of Germany
>>747629464>>747629702>>747629819It's fucking over
>>747629819>That wouldn't work because everyone would just play alliance because elves are pretty.Yeah just like Classic right? Oh wait, the opposite is true. Fucking idiot shill, stop spamming this retarded line of reasoning.
It's nice that they are dropping the seasonal gearing and level cap increases.Except they did not communicate how they intend to handle player retention.
>>747629798High elves were still around and allied with the alliance in vanilla there just weren't a ton of them. Dalaran is already being opened up as an alliance only town which is where the majority of high elves would be.
>>747629979>The original race is just Blood Elves thoughNo, the original is high elves. From Warcraft 2. 2 comes before 3. You dumb fuck.
>>747629464HOW ABOUT NO FUCKING ELVESGO BACK TO RETAIL ELFTROON
>>747630061Achievements + FOMO + Paywalled races
>>747629108Kazzak opened it on orders of Kil'jaden who was butthurt over Illidan claiming domain over Outland if he opened the portal again, Illidan would have no choice but to fight us
Does that mean forever no flying mounts besides NPC flight paths? It would be a net positive.
>>747630061They literally just need to add 2000 BoP random drops for this to work
>>747630073Well yeh but one of the things I'd like them to avoid from retail is "here's a faction of 12 people you can play one too!">>747630081Well if you want WC3 retconned you might be waiting a while
>>747630113Elves were happening no matter what. They are the only thing keeping any semblance of faction balance.
>>747630209who gives a shit about "faction balance"? you can do content cross-faction anyway
>>747627074They could have done literally anything else and gotten a better outcome for classic+
>>747629843Nah you're a retard. >WoW would never take off without the RTS trilogyWhich isnt an MMO. MMOs dont need stories, the players make the stories, otherwise you eventually turn all the legacy characters into raid bosses and you end up like Retail.
>>747629781Just as I remembered, glad that I don't have to see pic related ever again
>classic plus announced>no playable ogres>gay blue sky elves
>>747630387this but unironicallyblue elves are a small price to pay for poorfag third worlders and their money laundering schemes they call "private servers" being denied access to the best MMO on the market
>>747630451>giving us sexy elves instead of those ugly half-trolls or some furry raceCount your blessings
Goblin should have been the neutral race. They are literally the neutral race that would pick either side if they got paid.
>>747628432lorelet
>>747630209They could have made 3rd faction of neutral/uneasy alliances races or flash out reputation to actually let you slide between factions with some effort. But that would require effort.
>>747629781Avatar-looking shit.
>>747629798>>747629979>>747630168Blood Elves joining the horde is the biggest mistake Blizzard ever made for WoW and set in motion the slow death of the the faction forever.
>>747630027kek
>>747627074>you will play wow...>FOREVERthe fuck is this creepy ass title?
>>747630573Nobody but (you) wants to play uggos.
>>747630513who the fuck is paying 30 dollars to play a green dwarf? nobody that's whomeanwhile chinese and women are already lining up to pay premium because they refuse to play no-shoes mudhutter creaturesit's basic economics
>>747630618not him but i wouldve loved ogres or murlocs
>>747629798>They get genocided in WC3 by ArthasNo they didn't we see them even in retail today, we see them in classic, meanwhile a tribe of what? 40 elves that lived in a random flying isle is a race?
>>747630618You're the reason the horde sucks now, actual secondary trash.
Those Agartha elves are going to unironically get me into WoW
>>747630639you and your obsession with retarded races that can barely string a sentence together (or not at all in case of murlocs) are a sub 0.1% minorityelves are the most popular race in both factions. this is what the people want. deal with it or play something else.
>>747630384WoW wouldn't have a playerbase without the narrative-driven success of the RTS games is what he's saying.
>>747627074For me the story of Warcraft ended with WC3TFT. Wow makes no sense, also mmo's are static as fuck.
I wish this game had prostitution
>>747630669
>>747630702And what I'm saying is that an RTS needs a story, an MMO doesnt. Really not that hard.
>>747630632It must be really awful to go through life being so terrified of being ugly that you can't even stand to look like less than a 10 in a fucking video game. not to mention applying human beauty standards to monstrous fantasy races
>>747630632For real Blizzard is plain stupid, instead of making Blood Elves and High Elves into TWO paywalled races they made a random OC one
>>747630168>Well if you want WC3 retconned you might be waiting a whileThey're already doing that. Regardless, not every high elf in Warcraft 3 is with Kael in Lordaeron. There is absolutely room for High Elves to remain non-Blood Elves in WoW. They are most justifiable than any other race except maybe ogres/goblins.
>>747630573>don't add blood elves>every single realm is 99% alliance, horde getting gaped 24/7, no breaks, no holidaysLike the other anon said - you and the other 5 people who want to play ugly bastards still have your options.
>>747630736go back to xiv, city idler
>>747630668Horde always sucked. Which is why they got elves to make them suck less. You would be the first one to bitch and moan if blood elves went to alliance in bc and horde population dropped to 5-10% on most realms as a result.
>>747630458>blue elves are a small price to pay for poorfag third worlders and their money laundering schemesWhos the CEO of Microsoft right now?
>>747630168>Well if you want WC3 retconned you might be waiting a whilefuck do you mean waiting? bro they literally just released a campaign to retroactively retcon the lore for undead paladins
>>747630618play alliance then?
>>747630760You're gonna need to post more to convince me to play this game..
Reminder that every one of these shartyjak /v/ threads seething about Classic+ is Private Server sharties and Chinkoids mad that blizzard nuked their p2w cash shop botnet bitcoin mining illegally ran servers (which were dogshit)
>>747629823Actually, they're not some newly introduced "OC donut steel" race. https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Skywall
>>747630693>this is what the people want.No it isn't.
>>747630847>5-10%more like 80-90%nobody but chuds want to play no-shoes mudhutters
>>747630901>>747630760Why haven't you killed yourself yet Suqdeep
this is the 6th thread made with these exact posts since it was announced.you can make the blue elves look like high elves the insane stretches being done here to find faults is funny
>>747629464>and horde forsaken elfno one wants any elves in the horde, give us goblins or ogres
>>747630910You're coping. Look at literally any wow census. 95% of the playerbase plays some flavor of elf. Facts don't care about your feelings chud.
>>747630901Reminder that avatarfaggotry is not welcome here
Transsic paypigs finally realizing that transsic was always poorly disguised retoilet
>>747630949Here you can see the brown jeet getting his IZZAT riled up because I called out his public scam and outrage factory.
>>747630479IndianAlso prompt the futa
>>747630886
In every poll they've ran for 10 years the top results for new races are always Elf.Theres 5 spots of races of elf THEN AT THE BOTTOM IS OGREStrolls complaining
>>747630246...no you can't
>>747630964>You're coping. Look at literally any wow census. 95% of the playerbase plays some flavor of elf.In what version of the game anon
>>747630973more like the retards who keep making retail shit can't help but shit out more retail regardless of which version of the game they touch
I simply won't play it.
>>747630979>futathat would be gay anon
>>747630986>>747630978Suqdeep why are you spamming off-model ai slop of the retarded blue elf that everyone hates? Will this convince people to sub?
>>747631014Literally any version who has them. Feel free to check Forever's too once it's actually out. Guaranteed at least 50% of horde will be playing a skyborne despite the paywall.
Can the undead hide their bones in forever
You can tell it was going to be shit by the fact that Blizz spent hundreds of thousands in lawyer fees to shut down any private server that was even trying to be Vanilla+Had they believed in their product they wouldn't have bothered
>>747631067>Literally any version who has them.Ok so if they just don't have them? Then what?
>>747631070maybe after you pay 30 dollars for the skin
I find it amusingly ironic that the classic community is concerned that Forever will dilute their playerbase.
>>747631104Pray tell, which version of the game do you think doesn't have any elf? Is this the part where you forget night elves exist?
>>747631061I'm convinced, free trial is downloading now
>>747630113Why do you hate Night Elves?
>>747630986Not that I complain about DFC but you need to crank that bust size up if you want to sell a dark(er) elf to me.At least the Lineage II size.
>>747627074Can't wait to smash all the blue bussies with my orc warrior.
why does this angry cord keep making this same thread?
>>747631238Night elves are alright. Especially the males, my favorite part of meeting a night elf male out in the wild is his death wail.
>>747630837>>747630847>>747630925That's how it should be. Alliance should always be the overwhelming majority.
>>747631274blizzard marketers are out in force trying to damage control for their dead on arrival game
>>747631194Oh ok so if we go look at Classic vanilla servers obviously we will see that Alliance is always overpopulated compared to the horde?*looks*Oh actually its the opposite. But how? When they have no elves?
>>747629203TBC introduced flying which is a no no.
All they had to do was not do the blue elves and it was a guaranteed slam dunk. Now it's going to be a dead service in 3 months, exactly how long it will be until I know I'll lose interest.
There are five acceptable races. Human, orc, goblin, gnome, and dwarf.Anything else is on the same level as Vulpera and panda.
>>747631359because classic are full of minmaxxing parsetrannies who play horde for the racials not for the looksnothing about classic reflect real vanilla.
>>747631420>gnomehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GDr-eyhsSM
>>747631420Vulpera are literally hairy goblins tho
>>747627074>we're going to keep the spirit of vanilla>new raids are 10 or 20 peopledropped
>>747631391Perhaps on release but after a few weeks the real cracks would have started to show. Looking at the gameplay footage is pretty grim, the game unironically looks uglier than before, the new dungeons are really poorly made and don't look like vanilla at all. Literally looks worse than the new Turtle WoW content did.Plus:>No 2handers for shaman>alliance shamans>horde paladinsThe blue elves are the least of its problems desu
>>747631430But alliance races are better for parsing. Why do you keep lying and moving the goalposts?
>>747631420Wrong
>>747631291lol he loves when a man moans, what homo.
>"we won't do expansions, but we'll make you pay 30 bucks for races and classes instead"blizzcucks will slop this right up and it's so fucking funny
>>747629203Fuck no lmao, wrath sucked dick and tbc was the beginning of the end
>>747627074Sky elves are my proof to skip this. I can see why they killed Turtle in particular since that one calls back to WC1-3 lore throughout the zones and both race inclusions made sense.Also see why they went after Ascension because the content being promised here is a shadow of what even CoA was offering.Sky Elves being a neutral race that offers shamans and paladins while coming from nowhere but some dev's OC while being $30 is the ultimate example of how poorly classic + will be handled. It was over before it even started, it's retail - but not even silly retail - like Ascension.
I used to pity wow players but after seeing this shit the pity has turned to disgust. It's one thing to be an addict and make bad decisions, but willfully and unapologetically being this much of a mentally ill consumer whore is genuinely detrimental to the hobby and everyone in it.
>>747631678blizztroons are notorious shit-eatersthis image is older than most people on this board
>>7476315085 man is ideal and makes the theme park trannies seethe.
>>747630027Grim.
>>747629951>Be happy they dropped the ball this early onI understood the inclusion of smurfElves as the devs crying out loud that they still have no power and are under the management of the marketing department since, on stage, they made a point to talk about how the existing lore was important and later on, talked about how buying their first mount was an important event for the player while preorders for Forever opened with paid mounts. Made me remember Homeworld's original writer shitting on Homeworld 3's director in the game's manual while pretending his words were coming out of a character's mouth.
>>747630632People like this were not supposed to play Horde...where did it all go so wrong?
>>747631761If they actually wanted money they'd make High Elves. This is one last fuck you before finally being forced to make Classic+
>>747630632Sky Elves are objectively the ugliest race. Worse than Trolls.
>>747631921It's like when the directors of the first Joker movie were so disgusted by their fan base that they had the Joker raped in the sequel. Blizzard fans are raped Joker.
How many fucking times will they restart this shit and how many fucking times are you going to buy the same game?Is this the third "classic" they've launched?
>>747631921You think blue Elves are the last paid race? Hilarious.
>>747631958Being a contrarian isn't stunning or brave.
>>747631697Supposedly they aren't neutral, Arcane vs Spirit. Different classes based on faction.
>>747629327Justification I have seen>ERM WITHOUT SKY ELVES CHINESE AND WOMEN WOULD NOT PLAY HORDE!!!!>THEY HAVE TO MONETIZE SOMETHING!!!I already said in a previous thread that Shitzard should have comitted to Horde being a chud faction
>>747630027RIP
>>747627074I think a lot of people wanted a OSRS version of WoW which was classic+. This doesn't seem like that because it has retail fingerprints all over it.>asspull elvesI'd also say that the idea behind the elves would have been fine if it was extending the elementals but they had to tack on the elves. The southern kalimdor wind elementals would have been fine.
>>747630632The Chinese really are complete insects
>>747631921I mean yea, but Blizzard always gives that high-and-mighty impression when their games haven't been culturally relevant since OW1 and that's only because of a designer that they ran out of town.There was already rumors of the classic team management seething that twow, Ascension, and Epoch had more players combined than any of the seasons or classic relaunch. It's just one last fuck you to pretend that Blizzard's name is superior to some server hobbyists.
>>747632129>THEY HAVE TO MONETIZE SOMETHING!!!Full box price plus sub that is separate from retail. There fucking done.
good thing the mentally ill can just play era
>>747631729You're an NPC
>>747628432He means the 3rd opening in BC, lorelet.
>>747632121They are. They're the same race but they Panda'd them. Same race appearance in the same starter zone. They're designed as a gateway race to get retail-only interested in classic +
>>747632087Its an objective fact and you are mentally ill or chinese.
>We want vanilla but more>but more cash shops? Got it!>$30 neutral race>$50 mounts>$100 transmog cash shop sets
>>747628860Aaahhh.,...
They need to make it so Arthas doesn't just get defeated by a bunch of trannies like in the original
>>747632416He will get the Khadgar treatment.
>>747632315but i'm not buying blizzard's microwaved slop though
>>747630027DED
>>747630760f-fast
The big raid of the base game is going to end with us freeing a man named Jay Lor. And afterwards it is revealed we freed the ancient evil that rules the darklands and he will be set up as the main villain of the game.
>>747630760>>747630901>>747630986where are >her tits?
>>747632609no they're saving that for a wc3 campaign to prove he was there all along (40 dollars btw)
>>747632625
Warcraft elves are so hot
>new quest in western plaguelands>it's collecting 10 flowers for Nathanos and then giving them to Sylvanas with a love letter he wrote her
>delete the blue elves from race selection>add high and blood elves instead>make them start in the human and forsaken zones>add blue elves as a cosmetic DLC for them>keep the blue elves starting zone and lore and repurpose them into a 40-50 something leveling zone There, I fixed the game with minimum cost
>>747632827Over the last 20 years or so I think I've spilled more loads to night elves than anything else
Enough people dislike the skyborne that it should be possible to meme racial exclusion into existence in the game right?Just roleplay it saying "Sorry but I can't trust Skyborne as they may be alliance agents" (due to their start as a neutral race who can't choose which faction to join).And then you could also organise Skyborne targeting gank squads, exclude them from direct trade etc. Eventually noone will want to roll Skyborne anymore.Normally I would say this is wishful thinking but I think classic has enough purists that memeing this into existence could be possible.
EU, roleplay, hordewe ball
I'm still gonna play it
High Elves are insanely boring and Blood Elves, even neutered as they are post TBC, were way more interesting. The longer Alliance fags kvetch about High Elves, the more I want them to not get them.Anyway Skyborne a cute
>>747633041I will definitely invite Skyggers just to kick them out
>>747633051No servers, only layering, and segregation of pve pvp rp and hc
>>747627074>Dark Portal never opensDid Blizzard just gave the middle finger to Illidanfags?
>>747633041Players got banned for this on retail
>orcs lose 5% damage to pets racialdroppedFUCK elves, too
>>747633090>belf trannies are the ones pushing endless knockoff elvesShocking.
I want WoW2 the chicks can't be hot enough with these shit graphics
>>747632997Blood elves are a bad addition because they are too dark portal adjacent. Since the entire thing is Kaelthas sending Rommath to teach the remaining elves about siphoning mana and preparing to reunite with him until it turns out he is crazy. Forsaken elves are the actual solution because they have always been a thing and the forsaken is getting much more focus now and they literally already exist in retail as an unlock.
>>747633115no you fucking won't. if you think blizzard won't protect their paypig class you're deludedthey did it for tbc mount paypiggies and they'll do it for oc donutsteel elves
>>747632997Why are we arguing for a lower bar than what Turtle WoW had? Shit was fucking free and had two whole starter zones and race-specific content sprinkled across the early zone levels.
If i play this it's gonna be full solo Fuck guilds, minmaxing, raiding, rng and discord dramaI enjoyed classic up until i joined a guild
>>747633115They got rid of /spit because of level boosters and people that bought the deluxe version of TBC classic.
>>747633090>footfagkys
>>747633051Holy based....Tauren bros where we @?
>>747633550true but paying a monthly sub for an offline game seems retardedi did see an offline private server with AI bots as players but that sounds like a pain in the ass to set up
>>747629702>give us half naked burly obese men and not some gay shit like slender hourglass shaped elves
>>747633605In Vanilla I had a Tauren druid called Orgasmatron and they made me change his name so I deleted him.
>>747633614>paying a monthly sub for an offline game seems retardedI just really like the world and i do enjoy random online interactions like getting with a group of guys to do a quest or something. Maybe chat from time to time. I'm just not gonna join a guild
>>747633734Blizzard HATES cows....
>>747633682>don't give us one of the primary Horde races>give us shitty elves that don't fit the Classic setting
>>747629819dude you just got undead pallys. the layers are going to fucking capsize from the horde to alliance ratio
while i dont think they'll go offworld again (the main reason they did that was because the devs thought the engine couldnt handle all the players), the game will still be shitdark portal would likely just be a raid or something
>>747627074In defense of blizzard. how exactly were they to make classic ploos when the community would never be able to agree with what parts of wow they hated.
>>747630513here's turtlewow metrics for most popular racesi think goblin would have been a fine addition
>>747634296holy shit, noshoes niggas BTFO
>>747627074great, so no orc filth? what's the downside
>>747634296>a quarter of players were playing elves>4chuds: NOOOO NOBODY WILL PLAY ELVES
>>747630513I would love it if they make goblins playable without having them choose a side, just stay neutral. You can join alliance and horde at any time without locking in, unless you grind out rep for that faction to exalted.
>>747634641i agree with you, a neutral elf race and a neutral weirdo race would have been cool
>>747627074I think they're going to recycle the expansion content in a different order and different context. Imagine if TBC zones came 3-4 expacs in and all the extra legion portals around outland led into WOW:Legion zones as is lore.NuBlizz will never make anything good out of it, no matter the plan. But that's what I think the plan is.
>>747633682>he doesn't self insert as the giant retarded ugly bastard rapistFuck oc elves that are literally just a reskin of blood elves
>>747629539I bet that's what The Last Titan is building up to.>Last Titan story ending ends with the return of the titans>come back to the world in utter shambles>use the last of their powers to rebuild creation completely >Retail becomes something else, possibly WoW2 on a new engine set on the reunified ancient continent without the sundering, slowly expand on it with other continent to find on the other side of the world>call it "Worlds of Warcraft" and make the scale huge and sell the idea we will be planet hopping on massive worlds, make tbe movement and mounts more dynamic like what they're doing in GW3.>Orcs still present on Azeroth somehow>WoW Classic marches on updating expansions slowly>WoW Forever stays as Vanilla with new zonesI think that's the elegant solution.
ban blizzfaggots
>>747634296Turtle wow player's aren't the same userbase. Elf slop population will be far higher on official blizzard servers.
>>747635045You're forgetting that NuBlizzard struggles to create anything near the quality of even 20 year old content. Unless you want 50 theme park zones you get led along by the hand and never visit again of course?
>>747635082Oh yeah, for sure. Was just posting it for more stats to be out there. Guarantee if it was modern retail players humans would be 12% and High Elves would be 25%.
Why not make an Alliance and a Horde race so they can charge $30 twice?
>>747630903are you joking?´Skywall is the realm of air elementalsBut these blue elves have recently been made upJust cause they wrote them to have been making pacts with air elementals so they can have a home in Skywall or something doesn't mean they aren't an asspullYou're getting blue elves cause its easy to reskin Blood Elves
>Get classic+ with changes>Still have Retail>still have Vanilla with #nochanges>>private server troons keep making hatethreads because blizzard raped their illegal botfarms
>>747635045>nu-blizzard>new engineHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>747635156Yeah how come blizzard ever recreate the masterpiece of...Molten core?
>play hardcore to occasionally level a character to 60>dont give a fuck about tranny raiding or muh new content shit>just enjoy slow pace leveling with other boomersHC is the closest to 2004 WoW experience and I feel sorry for people who dont understand it. Great community with helpful people. A focus on the small details and leveling.
>>747635367hue shift TWO race? how the fuck do you expect this small corner shop mom & pop company to keep up with this workload bro?
>>747635696I mean who knows, they might redo Molten Core in Forever. With Ragnaros awakening at the right time, instead of too soon.
>>747635045>Retail will now experiment with new gameplay ideas they will steal from other games>Forever is just classic gameplay>Classic is just rotating expansionsI can see it
>>747630632Beauty is justice, ugly is crime. Tale as old as our species.
I bought 15 copies of it today. I got in contact with one of the private bot coders and he's making a bot from beta access. 15 copies of the cheapest one and then im going to bot on all 15 accounts and sell all the gold after the 2nd week. It's the only way I will play Blizzard games now. Cheat/Bot and make money to spend on other shit.
>>747629819>That wouldn't work because everyone would just play alliance because elves are prettyI keep seeing this cope being parroted, and I still don't see what the problem is. All the RPers and trannies self containing within one faction honestly sounds like a good thing.
>>747630632Chinks and gooks are truly the death of anything cool.
>>747629203>The gameplay isn't what went to shit in WoW.Specs have been changed to be more like WotLK specs. Arcane blast, FFB and hot streak for mages, for example. So they seem to understand that WotLK's specs were a good balance of fun interactivity and simplicity.I think it's probably more that there's a bunch of wide open obvious spots open for additions on Kalimdor + EK. Outland and Northrend don't really have anything like the implication of an entire zone south of Silithus or west of Burning Steppes. Okay well I guess there's Azjol'Nerub but you know what I mean, nothing on the map.
>>747636581>being ugly nigger or furry is cool
>>747627074>just spend money to use 10,000,000 AI chatbots to make posts on social media begging blizzard to expand to another world>claim the community has spoken>go back on your promise for the 100000000000th time
>>747630027Naga and undead humans should not be in the same faction as orcs and trolls, it makes no sense for undead humans to turn against their living relatives and side with fucking orcs.Also, WoW was shit from the start because they tied player race to factions, which causes lore and story to be even more stupid because they have to write around that. Warcraft was killed with Vanilla WoW.
>>747636887Schizo meds NOWThis is what their data has shown the majority of the playerbase wants. You chuds and your ugly races are no longer their target audience. You are FINISHED. This game is not for you anymore. FUCK OFF AND PLAY SOMETHING ELSE.
>>747637038Instead of using "data" they should have used their brains
>>747627074>Ascension died for this absolute garbage
>>747637146They did>majority of the playerbase plays elves>release elf race (this is what they want)
>>747636786Yes, having something new and lore appropriate is cooler than elf reskin #5, Zhang
>the same brainrotted coomjeet has been spamming the blue ai elf in every thread for daysjannies? hello?
>>747631516>No 2handers for shamanWhy are you lying? Wtf do you think they're using if not 2handers? Fucking Club & Board?
>>747638315dual wielding like in retail.
>>747638359And where, pray tell, are you receiving this information from? I would like to see a source.
>>747638359we already have access to the forever talent trees and there's no talent in there that enables dual wieldingyou are lying
>>747629781God... americans are such cattle.They could try selling a turd armor and these dogs would buy it.
>>747630532>>747632341>acting smug about reading mmo loreGet a job nigger
>>747627074>""""""classic"""" flavored zoomer wow #100000000>mentally retarded wowgoys will still buy
don't carestill playing turtlewow
>>747627074why are /v/iggers so obsessed with classic wow, aka reddit: the video game?
>>747627074I pre-ordered. And I paid for the blue elf. Get more mad. Make another thread.
>>747627074What's the lore reason for sky elves joining the Horde when high elves and night elves both got their shit pushed in so hard by orcs that they're both on the verge of extinction?
>>747642078>Playing video games? Not on MY /v/
>>747629464It's fucked foreverIt has been madeIt has been shipped for $30 to thousands of users alreadyThere's no turinng backWow Forever more like FUCKED FOREVER from the STARTClassic+ servers died for this
>>747642264Only the video games I approve of.
>>747642241The Skyborne descend from a group of Highborne Night Elves, they have never fought the orcs unlike the current Night Elves and High Elves. There is no indication that the Skyborne are on the verge of extinction, unless the island they inhabit is dying or something.
>>747642445Dunno why everyone's surprised that shits falling out of a butthole yet again.The only surprising thing is how many people are celebrating it and willingly dismissing obvious contradictions, like the world mattering but the game being fully retail-style virtual servers with shards and layers.
>>747642790This, sharding killed all enjoyment I had in Classic WoW.
>>747627074>have to pay sub>have to buy new race>it is bundled with warcraft 3 refunded, a massive flop>only if you pay premium you get to invite more friends to join the le forever adventureno thanks all yoursstreaming subhuman like Asmongold made it their job will naturally shill it and say it's the next big thing of course, they're getting paid to do sothis entire release feels like it's made for streamers in core and their cattle WoW vanilla community, they've been trying this with hardcore before, they're the ones who will dedicate insane amounts of time into this - for anyone else this is nothing but a shitty joke and a temporary time sinkto sum up:- Season of Discovery - WoW Retail- Classic re-release- Re-releases of previous expansions- that new battle royale modeAre all complete utter fucking failures. In any perspective you look at this and the team that has presented it during Blizzcon are all nu-devs. So if you choice is to support faggots and nu-devs go ahead. I was suprised to see Ion STILL working for this company. This is absolute insanity. Regardless what you do, you are part of the nigger cattle and you are hard stuck in Bobby's maze (have to give credit to Rich W Campbell here who said it the best, convicted rapist and Asmongolds bff).All this without mentioning a single world about feminism, LGBT, DEI the countless Jews working on this and othe faggotry involved. It is what it is, life goes on.
>>747631984but this timeit's forever...
>>747636460It isn't just rpers, it's everyone.And everyone playing one faction means it's hell trying to get a group to do shit that isn't end game.End result being Alliance being the de-facto only faction and Horde consisting of a few stubborn neckbeards who can't even get a Molten Core raid going.
>>747627074Bro I can't put into words how hyped I am.Classic era was a lot of fun and some good nostalgia food for my high school days.But now we're finally getting Classic+ with new content styled by the proper vanilla vision. It's going to rule so fucking hard.
>It is not a neutral race because they can join Alliance and Horde Do they really think we are so dumb to believe this line? Neutral race has never meant they are not apart of any faction, every neutral race in retail has to choose between Alliance and Horde. They know Neutral races are not fitting for vanilla wow, they knew that while making the Skyborne, they just do not care what fans might think, they only target low info consumers since dedicated blizzgolems will play it regardless of their personal feelings.
>>747631323People say shit like this but will never actually play on a truly Alliance dominated server as Horde.
>>747643183Why not just let factions do PvE content together like in based Turtle WoW?
I have never played WoW in my life.Should I try Forever?
>>747630513Mercenaries don’t get the same rights as adventurers, soldiers or agents. From a purely logical perspective, goblins should be neither horde nor alliance, because both factions would be suspicious of the goblins stealing sensitive information and selling it to the other.
>>747643094you don't have to buy the new race and you don't have to buy the bundle with wc3 refundedxivvies please apply yourselves
>>747627074but then how orc?
>>747643476No.
>>747643425Because that's even more antithetical to "the spirit of classic" than adding a faggot ass pride event.
>>747643495Adventurers are mercenaries.
>>747643094>draw crazy looking evil eyes>"These eyes mean the person is crazy and evil"stunning, brilliant, intelligent, well researched
>>747643618yes you don't have to buy it but the option to do so is there, which is criticalyou can always play the game the game like a castrated dog by paying a subscription and not getting everything that is offeredthey're not only spitting in your face at this point and retarded faggots like you are beyond hopeless
>>747643852every mmo has a cash shop with cosmetics that you dont have to buy
>>747643910Prior to 2011 they didn't...
Based PvP Legend, Preach, says WoW Forever IS Classic First! You chuddies are just complaining about nothing.
Imagine thinking the cut-off point between 'good WoW' and 'bad WoW' was the opening of the Dark Portal. Everyone knows Cataclysm is when the game really started plummeting to shit. They could've just released WotLK Era, but with the return of Naxx40 on top of apeing a few ideas from TurtleWoW and Ascension in order to make the leveling process more entertaining. Instead they pull this garbage.
>Everyone likes it>Except for /wpsg/>And /v/ - Third World IndonesiansCurious...Dare I say, my fellow Whites, we're going home?
>>747644112stop trying to gaslight people ranjeet not a single classic fan asked for blue elftrannies
>>747644112Even Redd*t hates it. That's how badly Blizzard has shit the bad. How much is blizzard paying you to lie to people?
>>747644186nobody cares what classictards think you faggots have been slurping up the same slop ever since nostalrius and if you had your way this would be no different either
>>747644067the cut-off point was when they added the automatic group finder in wotlk actually
>>747643971Mike "fat retard" Preach back sucking at the blizzard teat despite swearing them off for being mean and nasty and not Respecting Women enough.Hope he gets hit by a bus and finds Methodjosh under it where he threw him.
>>747644186This isn't for Classic fans. This is for the TRVE fans of Warcraft. Classic fags only want one specific patch in wow history with no changes.>>747644245Proof?If r*ddit basedboys AND the thirdies on /v/ hate it, then Blizzard has struck literal gold
>>747644112>>Everyone likes itI have literally not seen anyone say they like it. All i've seen people ignore it or say they would prefer something else.
>>747644336gay
>>747644336>reddit frogyou will never fit in ranjeet
These class changes fucking suck. How is it Classic+ to turn every class into Wrath- versions of themselves? This is genuinely worse than the bluesky elves.
>>747644345Your brownoid friends don't count>>747644370I know you are but what am I?>>747644389Pepe has been here longer than you. Feels good man
>>747644345Every streamer sucks blizzard off as hard as they possibly can.
>>747644453>Warrior seething that he's not the best class in the game now that other courses can get changes Oh no no no no no no
>>747644389feels good man
>>747644467>literally nothing to back it up.Here's your (you)
>>747644453My pet theory I'm working on developing is the entire development stack for retail and the maintenance crew for classic have swapped places, so now you have Classic Plus tm Product that looks astonishingly like retail, and freaky fucked up actual retail that's basically dead after they did some whacky shit like stripping out all addons and adding a 1button dps macro into the interface.
>>747644607Back what up? We're going forward, not circling back, Karen.
>>747644453>didn't have balls to do something like turtle disc priest>all class changes are wotlk onwards codedBlizzard as always is no fun allowed.
>>747644486But i've been watching streamers. I haven't seen anyone explicitly say they like it.They test the elf but then say "ok let's move on".Aside from testing the druid forms, i didn't see any streamer actually do a dungeon run with an elf.
>marks hunters get lone wolfFuck you blizzard having a regular archer has always been my class fantasy and now you're adding it into classic ahhhI'm not seriously about to be suckered back into wow am I come on
>>747632827>>747633015I started fapping to night elves when I was 15, I'm still fapping to them in my late 30's. Blizzard did something fierce to me and by carnal desires.
>>747644757They may not focus on elves too much but they gush the ever living fuck over forever in general.
>>747633041Sadly (((blizzard))) will protect the paypigs and punish anyone who doesn't roll the red carpet out for them. They did it for level boosters and sure as hell well do it again.
>>747641375This is basic warcraft knowledge. It's in the fucking cinematic for tbc. It's not some esoteric on sindragosa's bone count. Kill yourself.
>>747644853The reason for that is that the main artist who designed night elves used to just keep stacks and stacks of porn to use as a reference, and he would grab random people and ask them>hey is this hotwhen doing the designing.Then when Tigole showed up and the company started to get corporate and political guys like that were quietly let go. They didn't even get to go to the Cosby suite.
Wow fags are the only gamers that complain about beauty on the side of uglyness The ultimate Goylems the purest Americans against the horde of ableist ageist aesthetic obsessed Europeans and East Asians
>>747644865well i was talking about liking the new race.
>>747634641>a quarter of players play human>we'd better add blue humans and charge 30 dollars for them kys pajeet
>>747631391>All they had to do was not do the blue elves and it was a guaranteed slam dunkIt still will be, retard. More than 50% of ALL players choose some type of Elf, and the ONLY sub-race to ever go beyond 5% are the Void Elves.Goblins, which people screech about endlessly, are 1%. So are Worgen, Vulpine, Pandaren etc.People play Elves. So they'll pay for Elves.
Just watched the cinematicWhy does the bear behave like a dog
>>747644978>finding roided shehulks that replaced wc3 night elves hotThe fuck is wrong with you?
>>747645149What a strawman Mark.
>>747627074They already went off world OP. Skywall is an off world elemental plane.This didn't happen in classic. We even had emerald dream portals and the caverns of time that didn't work. Right from the get go here we are leaving azeroth.#shouldhavebeenfurbolgs
>>747643635No orc for you, only elves
Why did they make such a big deal about turning off transmog? Why do people get triggered by fucking glam?
>>747645221>FurbolgsThat would require effort, now pay $100 for the next exciting race, Fire Elves!
>>747645221elemental planes are literally part of azeroth you stupid RETARD BITCH
>>747627074not playing your tranny shit, no matter how many times you re-release it
>>747627074>Does anyone actually believe this shit?doesn't matterit's already more not-classic than TBC and WoTLK ever were
>>747644112Our home was Turtle WoW before Blizz decided to copy it, shut it down and put a price tag on it.I see plenty of similarities in Paladin talents and one Warrior:>Shield Specialization is the same>Iron Creed is Righteous Strikes remix>Reckoning is only 10% worse than Turtle version>Righteous Fury reducing threat when picking a specific talent>Spearing Strike in Arms is same as Polearm version of Master StrikeWoW Forever is Turtle WoW with subscription cost except it will also be infested with Bots, RMT, GDKP and Boosting.
>>747645141Blizzard wants their company to become the next Disney.
>>747630061>Except they did not communicate how they intend to handle player retention.If they're smart they'll do it through chase items. Vanilla was full of chase items. 50% of all items were shit, 30 were mediocre, 15% were okay and 5% were were perfectly itemized that they were highly desired by just about everybody. This is what kept people running old dungeons/raids long after they would have normally stopped.Also legendaries retained value forever. Hammer of Rag was an MC item that retained the highest top end damage until some Naxx drops. Thunderfury was so disgustingly broken it had to be nerfed in TBC because it was still outputting substantially more threat than 70 raid epics on top of extra mitigation. Atiesh was BiS but that's a Naxx legendary so it doesn't really help with the point. If they're smart they'll add in a few more legendaries and make them powerful enough that they're useful forever just like the original legendaries were.Item tiers weren't as clear cut back then either. A single raid had items spanning a fairly large item level range and the higher end items from one raid were above the low/medium range for the next raid. This is a start contrast compared to the modern tiering system where every new content cycle completely invalidates all old equipment because even the intro items have a higher item level than the best that was available previously.Realistically they're not going to do any of these things because this is modern Blizzard we're talking about. They don't know what they're doing. They don't understand the blueprint.
>>747645417they have the same kind of fanbase so that only makes sense
>>747645306No they are not they are not. It's the whole reason the molten core raid exists dummy.
>>747644978Nah, it's far more than just generic fanservice/porn inserted into the game. You'd think the Warden for example is one of the least sexualized characters in the game yet Maiev never fails to make me diamonds every time I think about her. There's something more going on here calling to my deepest primal urges. I guess a lot of it came from Debi's amazing voice work. God, I'm so happy they got her to voice the female NE in wow too.
>>747645363>Our home was Troonle WoWlmao
What even is this WoW Forever shit? Like AI slop designing random quests and new content?
>>747644978Look I’m not saying he didn’t eventually morph into the faggot leftist he is now, but I’m pretty confident that when he joined the fact that he kept his name TIGOLE BITTIES suggest he was maybe more than a little OK with that kind of thing.
>>747645149You sound very upset and very gay.
>>747645502Get new material.
>>747630061I've thought about. Everyone would shit themselves but what if all gear had random stats (scewed in a certain way).That would make players grind better gear pieces even if they already have one
>>747645534Yes. You figured it out. Have you tried doing any research yourself first?
>>747645628kill transself
>>747645534https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXaXYxcbA6A
>>747645593Get new hrt pills
>>747645702Not watching that shitI saw that they added 1000+ new quests and new areas, and that the world is ''ever expanding''There is absolutely zero chance nublizzard made that much content without it being all AI generated and there is no way the world would be ''ever-expanding'' and ''forever'' if not for AI generation.
>>747627373There are 4 active different wow generals. You can keep these guys :)
>>747645539He's just a retard with trolls remorse like every xillennial.He doesn't have anything to really do directly with the corpo shift, that was brought on by the growth during burning crusade and wrath that coincided with legacy of steel coming to work for blizzard doing unskilled content design.Tigole arriving on the scene is the easiest watermark to point to for the company bloating out and suddenly caring about artists keeping stacks and stacks of porn at their desk, even if it is totally legitimate and used only for referencing female body shapes, poses, and facial expressions.No gooning on the clock.
>>747645798anon has contracted late stage AI brain rot and thinks work can no longer be done without it
>>747645534you will forever be level 60 once you reach it and the gear you get will be forever with you, no flying mounts in the game, updated on-off? models most of the achievements you get are account wide and stay with you FOREVERnew dungeons will be added to freshen things up or otherwise you will get bored quick, we've seen this with vanilla and that game is min-maxed the living shit out of, will happen to WoW Forever too no questions about itnew quest added to make you think wow this is something new, some zones expanded, everything else is vanilla-tier (you have to run to the dungeon entrace etc etc all that vanilla vomit and interact with whoever plays this shit)
Why did they have to beat down dwarf hunters so bad. Wtf am I supposed to do with a pointless mace perk?
>>747645945Low IQ troon detected.This is blizzard we are talking about and this whatever the fuck this shit is was only worked on in response to turtlewow. We know they were not working on this just a year or two ago.This is a new project they cooked up months before taking down turtlewow. There is no way a company this incompetent would have made more than like 100 quests and 1 new zone in that timeframe.I looked at some of this shit and it looks AI generated to me.
They just didn't want to put in the work to make the blood elf leveling area so they made the alliance race nutral faction
>>747643094>picit's for when the eyes are at rest, not making a faggy streamer react face.
>>747646089We are talking about quests here. It's not exactly rocket science to write a paragraph of flavour where some town NPC asks you go collect 10 bear asses for his alchemy experiment.
If it takes 3+ months to get to level 60 then I might play. But if every talent/spell isnt rebalanced then I have no interest at all.
>>747646058sulfuras bis?????
>>747645945blizzard is already using ai for everythingto respond to tickets, to develop and test retail wow
>>747646058>at least 35% of all enemies are beastsBig Game Hunter's awesome
>>747643476Being completely straight, no. MMOs as a genre are kinda dead right now. WoW used to offer a virtual world, which worked very well before the era of social media where people had less outlets and were generally a lot more prone to engaging in emergent gameplay instead of goal based gameplay.The classic community is a wholly different beast than it was back in the day. People are infinitely less social, infinitely more guarded and prone to being characters first and genuine second. An inject from retail won't help either because retail players are genuinely anti-social and anti-collectivist. It doesn't help that the game is extremely simple and casual and missing most of the bells and whistles that define good game design of today. There's loads of elements to WoW where, with the weak community, makes the game actually insufferable. Then there's the time sink. In all honesty, it takes 200+ hours to get to level 60 for a newbie and when you do get to 60 there's hundreds of hours of raiding or retardedly poop-socking pvp to get a BiS character that has 'beaten' WoW. Your time will likely be spent better elsewhere.
>>747646058You think you want better dwarf racials anon but you don't
>>747646472Yeah problem is I like pvp and human and night elf hunters now have OP racials. Human hunters are going to be able to break stuns, increase spirit, and get 2% crit from swords while nelf hunters get shadowform, increased dodge and run speed, and a 10% increase to crit as a spell.At least when dwarves had the gun specialization that helped.
>>747644112>everyone likes itI mean you can look at classic now and see a bot-infested hellscape that basically requires RMT to raid because raid mats are stupidly inflated.
>>747646554Not to mention that WoW is definitively solved at this point, there's nothing new to learn and nothing to discover, and half the reason so many people were hooked back in the day was because you were exploring the game with people who often didn't know more or less about it than yourself. The fun has been optimised out of the game.
I hope they bring the new addon restrictions from retail to forever
>>747627074>i am bitter and know no joymany such cases
>>747646058I mean the gun specialization is bad and guns in classic are a dogshit dead weapon class. Even the best one you can get is nowhere near BiS. Mace specialization is more interesting and if they rework human racials you won't be gimping yourself by picking a dwarf, elf, or gnome.More than likely they will because Turtle-WoW reworked the whole system to unfuck how broken human and orc weapon racials were.
>>747646554An interesting thing that happened a few years back now is New World came out and it nailed the combo of having easy loot dispenser content and made being in the world fun and important.And for a while you could have fun roaming around getting into fights and just screwing around like you could in vanilla or classic, you'd see the same people over and over and make friends and enemies.Like ElonMusket, the one guy who used to always clip through fort gates and backdoor in battles.Then two things happened and it speedran the decline that wow shared almost overnight.The first thing is that it added an incredibly tedious pve grind to get gear rather than just showing up to chest runs, so players couldn't just fuck around in the world anymore and had to do chores with all their playtime.The second thing is that servers started to empty out and factions started to collapse or give up on conflicts, leading to players demanding server transfers that invalidated the community.Really interesting to witness firsthand and I still think about what happened.
>>747627138fpbp
>being cool>blizzshitanyone who still plays blizzvomit deserves everything shitzard does.
>>747646554>>747643476Difference is Forever is launching with 0 raid content available for just over a month. All you can do, is level to 60 and do some late game dungeonsItems and quests have been changed, itemisation is different with new and changed stats That first month is gonna be a lot of discovering new bits and pieces throughout the world (Particularly the new zones) and then the 3x raids that open in December are 2x brand new experiences (Plus 40 man onyxia is a throwback). There's gonna be a lot of "Slow burn" gearing up, learning and discovering for the first couple months
>>747645221>Skywall is an off world elemental planeyeah but the new area isn't IN skywall anymore is it?
>>747647068Probably only a usecase for me but I found the gun specialization useful on the world pvp server because I could hit higher level players more often than if I didn't have it. Hopefully the new items balance out guns with crossbows and bows.
>>747647391>he thinks there won't be 60 in first few days and meta calcining in first two weeksForever will speedrun classic metafaggotry. Screencap this.
>>747646058all the good racials were promised to us gnomes 3000 yrs ago
>>747627074I assume it's going to play out like OSRS to some degree, building off an older version of the game to appeal to the audience that fucked off after everything changed.I mostly base this off the fact that most of Blizzard's strategy has been to copy other people for a good while.>EverQuest is pretty popular, what if we did that but for casuals?>TF2 is pretty popular, what if we did that for casuals?>DOTA was literally built on our engine, what if we just do that?>EverQuest started rerunning older versions of their game from past expansions, what if we did that?>OSRS is a thing and people liked classic, what if we did that?And the dumbest thing is that I called this before classic was ever announced.
>>747643476>never playednope, not a chance simply because way to many other games coming out that hit harder than this subscription based cringe slop
>>747645798It doesn't take very long to make new zones using existing assets or quests anon. The tilesets for everything already exist. You're just drawing the topography and putting texture dot jfif on it
>>747647532Rewatch the trailer. There is flying cloud boats and giant white towers and chains. The island is in skywall permanently.
>>747647112goal-based gameplay essentially decides how you should spend your time. When I log on I need to complete farming runs for materials to I use materials for consumes so I can raid at the level my guild tells me to, so I can do the most damage, survive the hardest, and top my heal meters. To raid I need to attune. To do the raid I want to do, I need to grind in a raid I'm not a fan of for months to get the gear I need to carry my weight.The game quickly becomes a list of chores that I need to do quickly to progress in the game before arbitrary time limits like my guild's raid schedule, or Blizzard progressing the content. When it gets to that you have a lot less time to fuck around or just hang out. >>747647391Honestly no. I know the community enough. Modern Blizzard acts like WoW is this laid back vibes game for people that take it easy but it's one of the sweatiest, most poop-sock communities I've met. Within a week it'll be figured out and you'll have the first 60 within a week. Leveling routes are so figured out that any addition or itemization change will probably speed it up actually.
>>747647937>and giant white towers and chainsripped straight from cata's skywall, by the way
>>747646058You get the buff if you have it equipped. It applies when you're shooting your gun dude. And you get stoneform. You can just tank shit
>>747647950There is endless time to fuck aroundIn fact theres so little to actually do in WoW that if you want to progress you cant. Its been a raidlog game with 0 reason to login otherwise for most of its life, Legion through TWW was the only exception and that was because of M+
>>747648093Hunters can't equip maces, unless they changed it.
>>747627074I can’t bring myself to even read about this stuff The blue elves are so trans coded that I flinch at the idea of playing. I hate retail so much it’s unreal
>>747644519Warriors get Victory Rush, Victory Rush is the biggest reason why Warriors are the best levelers in Wrath. Warrior in Hardcore is going to be elite tier.
>>747648178Oh, right. Well uh, next of luck my fine bearded friend.Maybe they'll update it lol
>>747628651Kazzak and his forces were stranded on Azeroth after the 3rd war. Out of a desire to replenish his army with the forces still present on Draenor and through some machinations Kil’jaeden put in place that would lead to Illidan’s death and his servant Kael’thas summoning him through the Sunwell, Kazzak marched his forces to the Dark Portal, managed to reignite it somehow, then sent his now replenished armies back to attack Azeroth. The pre patch event was the Horde and Alliance recapturing the Dark Portal and establishing a beach head on the other side.
>>747648093Maces are not Hunter Weapons, everything else is though.
>>747648437All loot is rightful Hunter loot, anon. No exceptions.
>>747648284>trans codedWrong. They're hag wine aunt coded, she wants to have passionate, sweaty sex with an elf.
>>747646843>The fun has been optimised out of the game.People keep saying this but when I played TBC Classic the meta kept changing constantly based on new information and new tech being discovered.Also Warcraft Forever will be new in many ways. There are a lot of new items, new raids, new dungeons and new ways to interface with your class. It isn't solved at all.
>>747644906Get. A. Job.Nigger
>>747649810>it isn't solved because i haven't solved itThat's one way to look at it
>>747627074>WHAT IF INSTEAD OF DRAENEI AND BLOOD ELVES>WE JUST GET BLUE ELVES FOR HORDE AND ALLIANCE!
>>747630901this but unironically
Reminder, nobody fucking cares what faction they play, they only care about which side has the best racials. And at the moment, Alliance racials are insane compared to Horde.Good, fuck the Horde, they always had the best racials.
>>747630901I think all classicfags, including private server troons, should get the rope.
>>747630837>force faction parity on lopsided servers (if it's beyond 55-45 then you can't make a character of the dominant faction)>remove all current f2p restrictions including level cap>add the following restrictions: no professions, 1000 gold cap, must play one of the 3 lowest population count races on the serverfixeded
>>747650015Everyone that plays wow
I hope you all realize that sky elves will just be the tip of the iceberg.They're just going to be the FIRST dlc race. I give it 3-6 months until the next one is announced, and there will be more every 3-6 months for as long as blizzards tranny audience keeps paying for them (so forever. Haha get it? Shitty DLC races FOREVER JUST LIKE THE GAME NAME XD)
>>747650237Everyone that plays blizzshit in general.
>>747650332Even if you had no experience with blizzard, you could take one look at the legacy system and realize it just creates more incentive for players to have to buy more races to level more characters with.
>>747650332I can't wait for the Deep Elves. A race of Elves who colonized the ocean floor. >Is an Elf not entitled to the mana of his brow?>No, says the humie in Dalaran, it belongs to the Guardian.>No, says the furry on Teldrassil, it belongs to Elune.>No, says the cuck in Silvermoon, it belongs to all elf kind!
I haven't played since wotlk, they're doing what with the dark portal?
>>747650332I mean the blue elf isnt even any good. so who cares if they keep adding awful races no one wants except the biggest pay piggies
>>747628860
>>747650679Nothing, fuck you. Stay on Azeroth. F-O-R-E-V-E-R!
>>747629798Tauren and Gnomes were also genocided. The player race Trolls are one tribe found on an island that was getting wrecked by one naga witch. The small population thing is not an argument, it's implicitly the nature of many races at the time of vanilla WoW which plays into how they have banded together in factions to survive.
>>747629327Literally could've just done >High Elf = Alliance Dalaran>Blood Elf = Horde Silvermoon And generated a billion dollars
>>747649971This is why alliance on classic are usually pussies and horde are full of gigachads who just want to play with their orc or trolls
>>747650774How many of these have been made?
>>747630837...Did you ever play Classic? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctn-tKXx4SwLike two-thirds of pvp servers were literally that5 video for Alliance every day of phase II. Horde doesn't have anything to worry about on pvp servers. Everyone interested in that plays Horde.Like you literally get 30% stun immunity on an Orc warrior and an 'I win' button in the rogue vs. lock fight if you're undead.
>>747650779I owe blizzard $300+ so they disabled my account back then. I'm not staying anywhere.
>>747650165>the rarer the race the more PvP points you gain and the opponent loses>one cheeky gank from a troll will shave off 500 honor and DKP from an elfFixededmored
>>747627074Whats the difference between this and classic? It will never get any of the expansions?
>>747651035LOL that's even more based. Total elf death as an actual gameplay mechanic.
are you going to play in the PVE realm, PVP realm or RP realm?
>>747632416Scourge player faction?
>>747637009>it makes no sense for undead humans to turn against their living relatives and side with fucking orcs.They were tools of the Lich King to destroy all things living, and they're still rotting smelly grotesque corpses after being freed. Their living relatives violently rejected them, there's a quest line in Legion that shows what happens when someone dead is risen as a Forsaken and tries to return to his family, they freak out and run away screaming calling him a freak monster.
>>747630837>every single realm is 99% alliance, horde getting gaped 24/7, no breaks, no holidaysalliance were near 50/50 on the tbc anni server i played and we were constantly getting shit on by the horde so they need the numbers advantage
>>747651676that was BFA i think
>>747650774
Real talk, is anyone actually expecting a good experience out of this? Are there people who actually believe that Blizzard is going to put anything more than the bare minimum into a Vanilla+ version of the game?
>>747651996>on the tbc anni serverYea, and Horde have had the best game breaking racials for over 30+ years in every version of WoW because the devs were biased.Same shit happened in SoD, they made Alliance racials shit and new Horde racials insane, Paladin was fucking worthless, to the point even where you could not play a Holy Pally cause they didn't even have the ability to heal till level 50. Meanwhile Shamans were the best at every role and could literally tank raids without healers.It took half the SoD team getting canned and CHADRREND taking over to finally balance the game, which he did an incredible job of. And now he is in designing this version of the game and it looks great.We need more Aggrends in gaming.
>>747652406>Real talk, is anyone actually expecting a good experience out of this?I'll probably level a few times and thats it. Thats all I want out of it, so its good enough for me.
>>747651676I thought humans were chill and happy to see their Lordaeron relatives again and then Sylvanas sent five billion glowie rangers to assassinate everyone to keep her throne?
>>747652406There's a lot of red flags already, being made by modern Blizzard is number one. I'll probably level a few characters just to take a look around, relive some nostalgia and see what they changed. The first content patch they drop will decide whether I stick around or not.
>>747627074The worst thing about it is more megaservers and more layers bullshit. Fucking awful system antithetical to mmorpgs.
>>747652406The cinematic bear rolling around on the ground while a dwarf picks flowers kinda signals that the retail devs are the ones making the decisions to me.
>>747651091This is basically>What if Classic didn't go the same route as classic did and did something else insteadIts year 1, before any of the patch updates or raids. The only original raid it's keeping is Onyxia for posterity. It feels like this is Blizzards attempt at "What if we didn't do all the shit people didn't like over hte last 20+ years"Hence why they're saying right now no level cap increases and no flying mounts. They said for the time being we are staying on Azeroth as far as they're currently planning, but have already said they're interested in new classes.Fast forward this 5 years and 100% guarantee this is going to be a 2nd WoW that runs alongside retail but gets different content updates and its own expansions
>>747652406It sure does seem like there are a lot of people who want to believe
>>747653691I just hope Sky elves are a 1 off to see if people are willing to pay $30 for a race (they will for beta access that they get the race is incidental) and stick to more canon stuff going forward.
>>747629464they could have also just not added elves at all, no one would have complained
Tell me why I should roll a Rogue in FWoW
>>747654231uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaxes maybe you'll actually level lockpicking this time?
>>747654569they can use axes now?
>>747654594yehshttps://talentsforever.com/roguemight be different come launch
>>747654704wow it's the wotlk tree except they cut off a line or twogenuinely what the FUCK were they thinking>envenom? no no no this is my original talent (do not steal) - venom! it's nothing like envenom, look, it deals no direct damage!
>>747652147Yes, BfA, thank you.
WOOOOOOO TALENTS TO GIVE YOU XP BOOSTSWOOOOOO TRANSMOGWOOOOOOOO NO REAGENTS NEEDED ANYMOREWOOOOOOOO END GAME RUSHI LOOOOOOOOOOOVE CLASSIC! THIS IS SOOOOOOOOOO CLASSIC!
>>747627074What is this, the next expansion? Classic mkII?
>>747654704>can make sl/sl warlock>even has an extra 8% damage reductionHoly shit this can't stay in
>>747627074What's World of WarCraft Reve?
>>747654704>warriors can use polearms and stavesA warrior with a halberd sounds fun
>>747646770meta cuck
>Race: Skyborne>Class: Warrior (DPS)>Name: Lily WindrunnerOh yeah, it's gaming time.
>>747655130>Spearing strike>Deals 40% weapon damage, against Giants/Dragonkin/Mounted targets deals 80% weapon damage, also dismounts mounted targetsIs this a pvp focused talent or will this dismount NPCs i wonder.
Anyone play shaman? Do you know if playing Spellhance(Wrath build) could work with the current Forever talents? I had so much fun playing spellhance.I know you don't get the wolves do that damage ain't there but would the playstyle still be doable?
Everyone knew Blizzard would mess up, yet it's still surprising somehow.It's surprising how much WoW Forever is just another Halo Campaign Evolved situation, exactly like that. No one cared about Halo, but they do something so stupid it made people care again for a brief moment.
>bored>nothing to play>don't want to wait till November>Aion 2 is close but a lot of people are already saying it's shitAnyone else getting the beta? It's kind of a punch in the balls that they want me to pay $60 for shit I already bought, but I still would like to try a lot of stuff out. This game releasing in November is also a bad idea since GTA6 comes out then.
once the hype ends it will crash and most people will go back to their retard containment zones
>>747629702Elves are unironically better than fat ugly bald monsters that would only be played by lulsorandums that will name their character some variant of "Shrek" and then stop playing at level 21.
>>747655828Ya but why are they blue.....
>>747655828kys transsexual
>>747655906Because you are never ever getting High Elves, chud.
>>747655828Just admit you want WoW to be another gacha slop waifubait game, it's okay. You are into trash, no one is judging you. But be honest with yourself.
>>747654704>druid is exactly the same and will be garbage prot palys rise up!
>>747655906da ba dee da ba dah, da ba dee da ba dah, da ba dee da ba dah, da ba dee da ba dah, da ba dee da ba dah
>>747656476You surely have sex.
I am a simple WC2 grug, I want High Elves in Alliance.
>>747656583yeah with your mom
>>747656476I mean Undead Priests are already a kino combination so why not?>the light burns the UndeadIf it only happens in lore and not in game it's not canon. Every NPC that whines about the light is just being dramatic
so what is the consensusdid forever flop?
>>747649971>Reminder, nobody fucking cares what faction they play, they only care about which side has the best racials. And at the moment, Alliance racials are insane compared to Horde.Damn, that's crazy.I'll take the orc shaman with Sulfuras, thanks.
>>747656827Ya, no ones even playing it anymore.
>Trasnmog good>Phasing layers good>Sky elves good>Greens becoming blues is good>Modern Blizzard changing old zones is good>Modern Blizzard changing class abilites is good>Clashing high res assets good>>747655023No reagents anymore? That one I don't believe, that can't be true.
The worst thing about Forever is that they couldn't even bother to launch with a new class. It didn't even have to be a completely new one, Monk scaled down to 60 would have fit just fine.
>>747656827Flopever.
>>747649971This is the gamerdad server, anyone with an IQ above 80 can clear any raid.
>>747656972What even makes it like retail?Other than all the retail things?
>>747657035they would need most their aoe removed
I never played the vanilla WOW. What did I miss?
>>747627074>tranny flag colored elves
>>747657201Stop posting this image, the "game isn't even for you, unc!" makes me laugh too much, I give a hearty chuckle, ho ho ho.
If you don't roll fem human, what are you doing?
>>747656916>all the people crying that shaman is a 2h class nowi swear classic andies are never happythey cry when they dont get 2h enchantmentthey cry when they do get 2h enhancementgod forbid we get something different for a change
>>747649814It's lore from WC2. We free Zul'Jin from prison so the native forest trolls join the horde to wipe out the high elves. No warcraft 3 lore or anything forward required.I won't be smug like the other poster, but he is correct that the lore is 30 years old now rather than from WoW
>>747657426>Make unnecessary changes to 20 year old game>"They're never happy!"No one cares about your changes, people want the game to be finished, that's it, when people bought this unfinished game there was an expectation it would one day be completed, not constantly changed. Although at this point I think most people have realised the very idea of Classic+ is not going to work, it's too late.But some people won't understand this. Blizzard ruined the original WoW, and now they want to do the EXACT same thing to WoW Classic. The exact same thing, WoW Forever is just the Cataclysm style expansion for Classic WoW, but worse than Cataclysm.
>>747656916we’ll see but autoattack classes like ret/enh never work, they cap out ~200 dps so giving them gear is pointless
>>747657303unc fr just play era if you don't like it this is for us
>>747657373Rolling male tauren
>>747627074Is classic dead? Is it better to wait for this shit to come out?
>>747657758That's nice.Put the mace in the bag.
How are they gonna contain streamers with the new server shit?
>>747658132WoW Forever will have way more players, and it'll continue to be updated. Ironically in the end WoW Classic will I suppose never be updated. Because this is not a update or patch. It's a weird overhaul fanmod for WoW Classic.So a few uncs will play Classic WoW until they die, and young whipper snappers will play WoW Forever until they realise they don't recognise the game anymore in a few years and don't like changes and then they demand "WoW Forever Classic" and... what a mess. You could have just made WoW 2, but they know they don't have the talent.
>>747657426I like both.If they go tank enhance I'll do that too.I just want to be a primitive magic warrior smacking and zapping niggas.
>>747658264Probably ban people who fuck with them for the first month or two. That'll be enough to get people to hesitate griefing them.
>>747658660Good. Because the only interesting thing about this is gonna be watching vtubers play it. Anyone who isn't a streamer and plays this, deserves what they get.
2026 and we still can't erp as high elf woman x human shota
>>747658535you’re late for the darkspear dash
Remember that wallstreet shuts down superior private servers because they can't handle competition. >muh capitalismTurtle had no bots, RMT, GDKP runs and most importantly, a community that is chill.No matter the form, any official product will be poisoned with gold farmers and the worst community gaming has to offer.
>>747643476It's probably a bad idea
>>747658956If the Turtle WoW people actually cared at all about the game, they would have released their code.
I will play forever, but I am frustrated by the new elves because it's more of the same blizz mistake of throwing shit at the wall.We already have Goblins if you want a neutral race, we already have high and blood elves if you want two elf races.You have a WORLD already, use it.
>>747658535wonder how ugly Dwarf totems will look
>>747627138Sometimes?
>>747658660I meant that I don’t want to fucking see any and for the most part streamers practiced self containment like the cancer that they are. They usually do PvP realms right?
say one(1) thing that's negative about forever without relying on "waaah it's retail"you can't
>>747658956>superior product that is entirely stolen assetslol
>>747659167>recolored elves>not stolen assetsWho ever made the blood elf models and animations deserves billions in royalty.Also remember kids, AI gen doesn't count as stealing.
>>747630513It truly is the one and only neutral race that would fit in.
>>747659154Yeah until their army of simps dwindles and their army of haters starts forcing them to actually pvp.Then they scurry back to pve, or quit outright for the next big thing if they aren't wow only.
>>747658956Dawg, it was another shenna honeypot pve carebear tranny hugbox. Yes it was still by far better than anything post-neo-nublizzard will ever shit out, but still.
I've never played WoW before and I'm going to give it a shot by picking the race/class I think is coolest and not looking up a single guide for anything at any point.
>>747659336You guys keep saying "neutral race" it's a "dual-faction race" they're not neutral, when you play a sky elf you choose one side or the other.A neutral race would allow you to enter either Horde or Alliance areas or perhaps earn reputations with them equally, or be hostile to both.Dual-faction race.
>>747659501Great, go play Classic WoW it's been out for several years at this point. And then play Burning Crusade and Wotlk and then stop.
>>747657758theyre changing itemization and damage numbers already
>>747657201Why are blue elves $30 and why is it when I question this in game the immediate responses are some combination of " its not made for you", "youre just mad because youre poor", "let people enjoy things, you dont HAVE to buy it", and " blizzard has to make money some how"?
>>747627074>>AZEROTH EVOLVES COMPLETELY ON ITS OWN FOREVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!i just watched the presentation of classic and they mentioned that this takes place before we raid molten core, that means they will do something with the dark portal/outland eventually right?
>>747659621And those changes will be done VEEERY well, Blizzard are very smart people. I hope they change everything about the game... again.
blue elves are pretty fucking gayi would've accepted another furry race over fucking elves
>>747659531>ackchually semanticsThey are a neutral race if I can play them on both factions.
>>747659746>Why are blue elves $30This is an expansion pack for Classic WoW. So they are charging money for it. You will find that as the years go on they will continue to charge money for further expansions. $15 a month is not nearly enough to pay for even half the HR team at Blizzard.
>>747659746Because paid shillbot farms are tasked to defend and shill Blizzard's new product.
>>747659887You're wrong, I explain to you why you're wrong, and you continue to be wrong. This affects me? It does not. You are not neutral you are horde or alliance.
>>747629376I am so hype brotherman. Strongly considering just paying the betabucks
>>747657426It's not fun anymore because it will be balanced day one so your 2h shaman damage will be the same meh as everyone else.Vanilla was fun because balance was an afterthought. Get a really slow 2h weapon and stormstrike talent then auto swing, stop auto swinging, stormstrike, auto swing again and all three attacks proc windfury delete literally anyone in one combat round.
>>747659754its using the same numbers as retail. retail doesnt have problems with stat scaling like classic
someone post that funny image of the jailer manipulating everyone
>>747660197And the mask finally comes off. "We're making it more like retail! It's not even for you unc!"Don't worry, I won't be playing it. And neither will you in a short time to come.
>>747657743>people want the game to be finishedHate to break it to you, but WoW is a product, not a game. It will never be finished unless you decide to walk away and be finished personally.It will exist long after we are dead in like 60+ years.
>>747659079>wonder how ugly Dwarf totems will lookjust look up SoD shit, everything so far that looks newish is just reused SoD assets
>>747630837>playing on pvp serversGrim.
>>747659749>that means they will do something with the dark portal/outland eventually right?when profits dip i'm sure they will whip out the nostagila factor of the dark portal
>WoW “classic” forever >it’s just retailI’ve said this many times already, you are a fool to give any money to modern blizz. Move on from WoW already ffs
>>747660376>be call of duty player>they make a call of duty expansion i dont enjoy>stop playing call of duty>stop thinking about call of duty>be wow player>they make a wow expansion i dont enjoy>stop playing wow>think about it constantly>never stop seething over it for 20 yearslmaoing @ ur life unc rip bozo
>>747660515I know it'll never be finished. That was clear when they released an TBC before even finishing up all the original areas.And I think what Blizzard has been doing, they will continue to do it. They don't care about this game at all.This game hasn't been updated in 20 years and people still love it, yet they think they need to change the fundamental way to works, it's a very strange concept to smart people, but Blizzard is very unintelligent. Even moneywise, they'd make way more money actually making smart deisions.And it would take LESS resources to make a proper Classic+, "PLUS" as in, you add to the game, not change the fundamental aspects of the game, make a different game if you wanna do that. There's plenty of things to add to this game, systems that would make it even more replayable and fun.
>>747660809take your own advice and never talk about wow again. move on bro
>>747660894>This game hasn't been updated in 20 years and people still love itclassic era realm pop begs to differdelusional schizo lmfao
>>747660809>>it’s just retailwhat makes it retail? i watched the streamers run the dalaran dungeon and the mechanics looked similar to classic but maybe it was because they were playing like retards
>>747660931I haven’t played in over 8 years mate.
>>747661058It's not about population. People love the game, an unfinished game, an MMORPG that hasn't received updates in 20 years is more loved than Retail.Population has nothing to do with it, obviously people still aren't paying a sub fee to play it. It's 20 years old.And so if you want to do something with it, don't change the whole game (because people love it) add to the game, add more replayable systems. Or make a new game.
>>747661148>this shit is just like retail>no, i havent played retail
I wonder why the alliance agartha elves can't be paladins while the horde ones can be shamans
>>747634296How overplayed do we recon undead paladin is going to be?
>>747661274Is this supposed to be a own? Yes Battle for Azeroth fucking sucked and literally made me quit the game.
>>747660809>he doesnt just play a free character on retail, farm gold which is super easy to get, then buy wow tokens for game timebrother, you can make a level 20 character and farm deadmines alone for trasnmog that sells for millions of golda literal afternoon can net you like 6 months of gametime if you get lucky and get the defias blade
You know any hope of classic+ was lost when the "they had to trot out the blood elf recolor race they had no other choice they need to make money somehow and ugly races just aren't as popular" arguments were tossed outWhen that is the basis on which you are arguing, you're already fighting a losing battle.
>>747660894>>747661273>you dont understand people love classic because its unfinished>but we want more people playing and more content>but people dont play cause theres no new content>just add on to it and make a new game>no not like that it has to be the same but newAre you okay?
>>747661662>Is this supposed to be a ownis just funny retard, i wouldnt even call this turd retail, i just call it what it is, a cashgrab piece of unfinished thrash
>>747644771Legolas Ofthewoodlandrealm soon bros
