>this was a deliberately over the top gag in a game discussing the friction between design intent and player agency>in 2013, based on a Half-Life 2 mod that came out in 2011
>>747627132i thought it was a subtle nod that playing games with this level of cringe humor made you feel like you were in prison or hospitalizedfollow the colorful line to get to your designated department / cell block, anon
I once tried the game, but it was extremely fucking cringe, I had to drop it, that shit is all reddit humor, absolute dogshit.
>>747627132With a 300m+ budget, literally nobody should be left behind
>>747627208Then you missed the point
>>747628231Don't question that 300m budget though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guIaCocnNaw
>>747628231anon, this thread is about videogames, not the schooling system
>>747628419>studio with over 400 employees based in California working on a Disney licensed IPAmerican developers are already the most expensive on the planet. Working in California just amplifies that. This game was in development for over half a decade. Just paying the employees for that long easily adds up to a good few hundred million.
>>747628823I don't get why all these companies settle in California. The US is big and fairly well developed even in flyover states, why not go somewhere where rent isn't absurdly high
>>747629093Because that's where people want to be. You're not gonna attract talent if you tell them they have to live in cornfield land.
>>747628231clever
>>747629161They clearly aren't attracting talent anyways.
>>747629161I don't know man working for a company in a cheap area sounds better than sleeping in my car because rent in Cali is so high even Reagan would become a communist
>>747629093California has tax incentives.
>>747627132
>>747629161people want to be where the jobs aremove the silicon valley to iowa or delaware and see if people wish to stay in california
>>747627896It was a lot less painful back in the day.
>>747629767>a bottomless pit... but wait, there are collectibles leading into it? Could it house a secret of some sort? Might as well risk falling into itClearly, exactly the same thing as a stink line spanning the entirety of a level, guiding you towards all objectives. Another flawless argument, Mr. Anonymous.
>>747627132>Game tests if the player has free will or is a subservient npc by the choices the game presents>Assert my free will by closing the game
>>747629093Aside from the threats of earthquakes and wildfires, Coastal Southern California has remarkably stable and comfortable weather. If your number one priority in life is to never trudge home on a single sweltering summer afternoon or commute on a single dark, snowy winter morning, your only option is California. The weather barely ever changes. They're all based there because it's an extremely appealing perk of the job that the employee pays for themselves..
>>747629767>First level introcues you to the idea that secrets can be in unexpected places, such as pits that would traditionally lead to death in most games. Later levels becomes signicanty more tricky about hiding those secrets once you understand the various ways they can be hidden.Organic tutorialization really is a lost art, better to assume the player can never learn so you never have to design anything and never be held accountable for your inability to teach, said the Modern Dev.
>>747627896Americans often get filtered by any amount of irony in jokes. They just aren't able to understand that something can be non-literal.
>>747627896Find me a comedic game /v/ won't call Reddit at this point.
>>747630692Tangentially, ask /v/ to define what a 'reddit game' is without sounding like a retard.
>>747630692Anon, not all comedies are post-ironic deconstructions written and voiced by smug soijaks
>>747631913See you didn't post a game
>>747631913Well I'm sure modern /v/ermin will find a way to call any comedy "reddit", there's also a fag going around ranting that any comedy that makes a male the center of a joke is "woke" so that means The Simpsons, Family Guy, Mr Bean, Charlie Chaplin, Johnny English, Austin Powers or the Three Stoges are actually all heccin woke
>>747630692Sure, you just need to think like an average /v/ pajeet contrarian.YIIK for example has for three years now /v/ apologists calling it one of the best game of all times.
>>747630692Kerbal maybe? Man this is hard.
>>747631986Your point is that Stanley Parable isn't reddit comedy. Only retard will argue with you in good faith
>>747632162And what makes Stanley Parrable "reddit"?
STOP! Go back and look at that fern.
>>747630782In theory, it should be a game with Marvel tier quips and painfully predictable "humor", like Forspoken.In practice, someone on /v/ at some point will end up calling "reddit humor" any humor that doesn't feature slurs.
>>747628419To this day, I have no clue why games need that kind of budget. Great games have been made on peanuts. Even more ambitious games can be done on around 1-2 million.
>>747627896Portal 2 was extremely Reddit too. Wheatley was annoying. Talos Principle is better in every way.
>>747630692senran kagura
>>747629938then Iowa and Delaware will become the new Cali dumbfuck, the environment becomes the product
>>747632056The Simpsons would absolutely be accused of being woke if it came out today. Lisa has typical liberal political views and is often depicted as being the only smart person in the family, and a lot of the jokes in the series take jabs at conservatives. You could get away with being those kind of liberal politics in the 90’s without inviting too much backlash from people other than Christian fundies.
>>747633087thats the point idiot
>>747630692Saints Row 2?
>>747630692MMSS
>>747630692Giants: Citizen Kabuto.
>>747630692The Looker, easy.Maybe Loathing games too.
>>747632925The short version is that you need hundreds, if not thousands of people to make a videogame, and with modern development cycles being routinely longer than 5 years it means paying thousands of people for those five years.Why does it take so long and with so many people?Because modern companies are hideously inefficient.You used to have a dozen of developers that were intimately familiar with their projects and could do incredible things with tiny budgets and time restrictions, now you get an endless parade of underpaid, easily replaced programmers that have absolutely no incentives nro motivation to do anything more than the bare minimum (and if they do try to do more, chances are it's more likely they get yelled at than be praised). Also, more people means more middle management and more people in departments like HR, which just adds to the costs and inefficiencies.Finally, add that modern companies prize control over their product over everything else, which translates in every single change needing months to be approved between meeting, signatures and documentation (which is also slowed down by nobody wanting to take responsibility for a potentially financially troubling decision), which discourage the creative process like nothing else, and I think you can understand why costs and time have bloated so much.
>>747633427The Looker is unironically better than the Witness.
>>747627208you made the comment, but no one is clapping.
>>747633468Games were genuinely better when studios were either 10 people working out of a basement or a mid sized studio working out of a single office building. All the best games being made today are from studios that fall into one of those two categories.
>>747633468I remember a story during Andromeda's development where a dev worked for weeks on a system and when he was done he discovered that feature had been cancelled months prior.
>>747627132DA DA-DA-RA DA-RA DA-RAnarrator and player teaming up against the boring signposting adventure line is too clever for the modern yellow painter to implement
>>747635102I personally just think it’s ironic that Stanley predicted the yellow paint trend right down to the colour. Though I suppose back in 2013, games were already heading in that direction and the game was making fun of that.
>>747630692Slaps and beans
>>747632448HAMMERTIME!
>>747635295It's more like the game satirized existing trends and reality caught up to satire over time.
>>747627208>>747627896>>747631913filtered tendie
>>747635295Games used to be linear and "on rails" even back then, but outright paintslop wouldn't be a thing for another decade or so.
>>747627132>>747635295Are we high? Are we doing revisionist history? Why are we pretending that The Stanley Parable predicted yellow painted guide lines, when the fact is that the Stanley Parable, A PARODY ON VIDEO GAME CONVENTIONS, obviously fucking did a guide line because already for over a decade games had been using guide lines exactly like this to tell the player where to go without the need to think. Why in the hell are we pretending like the parody invented this, or came up with it before it was a thing??? Are we gonna go on /tv/ next and praise Scary Movie for basically predicting Scream? The fuck is going on??
>>747635841You are being trolled to illicit that exact response.
>>747636152I guess I'm too autistic and they got me then.
>>747627132>>747635841Oh hey, this made me find a possible wikipedia mistake.>Wonder where the yellow line shit started>google it>find wikipedia article on yellow paint in video games>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_paint_in_video_games>IGN's Vikki Blake cites Uncharted as an early example of yellow paint guide markers in games.[3]>go to citation>https://www.ign.com/articles/final-fantasy-7-remake-director-doubles-down-on-yellow-paint-there-is-definitely-a-need-for-that-kind-of-thing>ctrl + f Uncharted>1 result>Using yellow paint on ledges and walls to indicates a traversable area in a video game has been a hot topic among players ever since its rise in popularity in the likes of Uncharted on PlayStation 3. >never played uncharted>google: "uncharted 1 ps3 yellow point">check images>all results are images from this article or referencing this article with screenshots from modern games using yellow paint>check an uncharted longplay on youtube>skip through the video>find multiple parts where you need to climb up walls and ledges 'n shit>none of it is specially marked in any way, not yellow paint not even the Far Cry 3 dangling ropes stuffAny Uncharted fags able to confirm this? Did that game have any marked ledges? Or did the author here misremember the original Uncharted as having yellow paint, causing wikipedia to list it as an early example of yellow paint, despite there not being any yellow paint in it?
>>747635657>>747635841Back then, it was waypoints, scripted setpieces and extremely linear level design that were the yellow paint of their day. The Modern Warfare trilogy was a massive success due to them being playable action movies with heavy scripting and very little player freedom, so every game copied CoD’s design hoping to capture its audience. If anything, I’m surprised yellow paint caught on considering that the success of Dark Souls ended up killing this heavily scripted and linear level design philosophy.
That is what "inclusive, wider audience" bullshit results in.Not even a real problem that those babby modes exists imo. I just do not get WTF has ridden modern game devs to assume putting shit like that on everyone's plate by default is a good idea.What is so hard about placing your shortbus crowd options into some accessibility menu?
>>747636660>Back then, it was waypoints, scripted setpieces and extremely linear level design that were the yellow paint of their day.I mean, but also literally yellow paint. Games like Fable 2 and Dead Space, and many others gave you the ability to show you a literal direct line to your objective. And arguably, stuff like Skyrims quest marker functions the same as a direct line to your goal, as it works as a compass needle guiding you exactly where you need to go. Only difference is it being painted on the compass, rather than the world.
>>747629161>talentamerican game dev companies are not interested in talent at all they keep getting rid of their experienced old guard to keep costs low and progressively lower the skill bar.so its fundamentally retarded to hire from the most expensive place in the world in the first place.
>>747636898To be fair to Bethesda, they adopted waypoints because the Morrowind system was really unintuitive. Morrowind had a good idea with it system, but had shit execution.
>>747636898Ignoring open world games (and especially Bethesda cause their open worlds have been pretty braindead to traverse since Oblivion), most linear games usually didn't bother with signposting the way forward this obviously during the 360 era. Devs like Valve and Naughty Dog used to be fantastic at signposting the way forward by using terrain, colors, lighting and items to make it obvious where the forward was. You know, what level design used to mean? Shittier devs would just make their items sparkle/glow or use a trail, but it was easier to handwave those solutions as non-diegetic (aka obviously these are just conveniences for me, the player), although it was still bizarre that linear action games like Wolfenstein TNO had such bad level and art design that they had to implement a button to show the way forward, and it barely even helps sometimes.Wolverine might not use yellow paint, but it signposts everything so blatantly it still feels like the game was made for five year olds. It's gotten so insulting even journalists feel it's condescending.
>>747636848>That is what "inclusive, wider audience" bullshit results in.Ah fuck off, being inclusive to a wider audience is good. >What is so hard about placing your shortbus crowd options into some accessibility menu?THIS is the real question. There is literally NOTHING wrong with giving options for retards who can't figure shit out. The weird thing is making it the default. Specially with how easy it is to make a game use a different set of textures. Fags on /v/ tend to forget that they have played video games so much, and so long that they are able to understand most of this shit intuitively without being told, even if it is not actually intuitive. If your character only ever walked and ran, and suddenly there's a wall, and you never climbed before, why would you assume your character can climb? If you run into a wall IRL you probably don't think "Oh I could scale that" you'd think "gotta find a way around". You only think to climb it in video games, because you played enough video games to recognize climbing sections. It's like a mechanic who can tell you what's wrong with your car by sound alone. While you could be staring at the engine for 5 hours with the problem literally in view, but you wouldn't be able to "spot" it, because you lack the experience. /v/ tends to forget that they have accumulated game knowledge that is not inherent to people. So what are game devs to do? If they want to appeal to people, they need to throw some crumbs to the people for which this is their first ever video game. That's why so many first person games have a shitass tutorial teaching you to move with WASD, and crouch with C and sprint with shift, and jump with space. You and I don't need that. But SOME people need that.
>>747637369I mean, outside of open world games it was also easier because there usually was only one way forward. It's not like you could get lost in Half Life or even the somewhat more open Half Life 2. Some of the best games of all time were essentially just long corridors. It just got blindingly obvious when shit games like FFXIII made the corridors even narrower and gave you nothing to do except hold forward until the next fight and or treasure chest.
>>747636536>Did that game have any marked ledges?Yes, though not with yellow paint. This part with the U-boat is a good example, everything you can climb is obviously highlighted, the rocks you can climb are white near the edges, the one part of the U-boat you can jump on is less rusted (again, whiter), the ruin pillars you can climb are bathed in sunlight (arguably also just makes them whiter)https://youtu.be/98k1MCl37fE?t=1823It's still obvious but at the very least tries to blend into the enviroment. That and those games didn't really need super obvious markings because everything was either a small combat arena, a puzzle room or a linear climbing segment, the only time you could get lost as to what to climb is trying to find an exit from combat arenas and even that was super rare since they could always use the camera to show you
>>747637641The key to making a good hallway game is trying to disguise the fact that it’s a hallway by giving you the illusion of exploration. A lot of 360 era games failed at this because they hit you with invisible walls or hit you with a “get back to the mission area” message if you tried to even SLIGHTLY deviate from the intended path. They were like RDR2 missions except that was the entire game.
>>747636848You need a to employ 30 people who's only job is accessibility and they need to justify their insanely inflated wages with whatever bullshit suggestions they can come up with.
>>747637726Hu interesting. Yeah I guess there is more snow on the ledges you can climb, and the climbable ice bulges out notably. But then I was also looking at stuff like pic related, (https://youtu.be/6WRua_nVnm8?t=4260) which has no extra visual marker at all. It's just a small thing you can climb and a hole in the wall and you're supposed to put 2 and 2 together by yourself.
>>747628231When you make a game for everybody, you make a game for nobody.
>>747629578So does Delaware.
>>747636536You're not hallucinating. Uncharted 3 especially had it when it was obvious using Yellow tape or paint on some walls. It wasn't the whole game because they obviously didn't need it for places in the Lost City or Yemen. Even the chateau had maybe two instances maximum, but it was tame. I'm pretty sure Uncharted 2 only had it for one part of one level, so there was a trend of increase between 2 and 3.Better point to make, the search engines and (((wikipedia))) are utter ass at finding anything relevant. If you remember something PERFECTLY, the internet will not remember after five years.
>>747638015It works in your example because there’s no question that that crack in the wall can be traversed through. As vidya environments became more detailed, the had to put subtle highlights in the environment to signal what could and couldn’t be interacted with.
>>747627896Name one game with humor in it that isn't "Reddit dogshit" and explain why.Or is it that every game is Reddit at this point, anon?
>>747637496>being inclusive to a wider audience is good.No, that just squeezes any individuality out of games and tries to grab money from people who are not interested in the first place, most times at the cost of horking off the original fans.There is simply no way you can widen your furfag platformers audience enough to make me enjoy a game with that background.But desperately adding blood, guts and mega-milker girls into them to try and appeal to me? That will easily cost a lot of sales from those who did enjoy them before
>>747637914If you need 30 people to add on/off options for fat-ass blinking waypoint hints, you might reconsider hiring in Mumbai
>>747636898Ok, but personally I don't think the problem with yellow paint is that it shows you the way forward, like the systems you mentioned.The problem with yellow paint is that it does so in the laziest, most invasive and immersion breaking way possible.In Dead Space, if you didn't want guidance you just didn't press the button, or you did only when you wanted to know what corridor to take to explore more and delay continuing to the set path.Same thing with Oblivion and Skyrim, it was an optional, convenient and minimally invasive feature, whose only negative was that it disincentivized immersive writing (like the quest being like "find the lost merchant" or something and the waypoint pointing you directly to his corpse).Meanwhile you can't turn off yellow paint, it's in your face cause it's meant to be noticed and it breaks immersion because games need a plausible narrative reason for why someone would paint the route forward for you (unless they simply leave it unexplained).
>>747627896>>747632967Holy shit taste
>>747630135no, it wasn't.
>>747627208Based fpbp
>>747639256Oddworld
>>747627132Wait a sec, are you telling me people actually PLAY walking simulators?Like, I always thought that shit was just a meme.Ayylmao
>>747630692The Witcher 1
>>747628281>make it THIS OBVIOUS>people still miss itwhy are we complaining about giant yellow lines in games again?
>>747630692Easy. Just pick any game /v/egans are too young to have played.
>>747630692Dead Rising 1 and 2
>>747630692pre-slop era Insomniac made comedic games but most of /v/ doesn't give a shit about Ratchet in the first place
Environmental hints aren't even bad persay. But as their politician agenda pushing shows, the avg western dev is always about as subtle about his intends as a 500lbs bunkerbuster going off right next to you.
>>747630135The game hasn't really changed much since launch. People change. The game did not. I always thought it was cringe and since it hasn't changed in that regard I still think it's cringe.
>>747632162No his point was that you couldn't post a game and you proved him right.
>>747636536Uncharted to me is the only movie game that earns being a movie game. The whole point of the series is "you are in control of an indiana jones movie" and they worked hard for that. 1 is kinfa shit but 2 and 3 are fun. 4 took itself too seriously and to me that ruined it despite arguably having the most free-form gameplay.They actually worked hard to make all the scripted sequences seamless and tried to have as little ui as possible.It's just that doing that takes effort, time and talent that modern tripleA doesn't allow, so here's yellow paint so even DSP can understand where to go in our outsourced asset slop.
>>747630692broken sword
>>747627896>reddit humorAt this point what isn't "reddit humor".If you people could revisit 4chan threads from 2008 you'll say they're cringe and reddit. We had OC threads making 4 panel memes using templates for fucks sake. People used epic and fail the same way they use based and cringe now.
>>747630692Jazzpunk
>>747645191For these joyless cunts?People being abused, killed tortured and ridiculed.
>>747645191difference being that you wouldn't hear our slang badly regurgitated from your grandpa and his latest karen then
>>747627132The Stanley Parable is way too advanced for sub 80 IQ /v/
>>747639256well, the bards tale would be an example. it came out in 2004.reddit didnt exist until 2005.
>>747645390We had gore threads and CP raids on /b/ too to be fair
>>747640728neverhood is giga reddit coded
>>747645875he saying that thats what would be required to not be reddit humor.tho im sticking my head in to argue that reddit has better gore/abuse subreddits, and are much better at collating that material than 4chan is these days.
>>747632065Yiik is good and im white
>>747646287why would you admit that, even anonymously online
dude quirky british narrator
>>747630692God Hand
>>747646306I thought it was ok to be whiteAren’t we mostly white here?
>>747639613I think we got mistaken here, the "being inclusive" here does not stand for wide appeal, it stands for accessibility. Yellow paint to show noobs where they can climb, Tutorials that explain WASD to you etc, hell even shit like auto parry, and easy modes. That's generally good. And the best thing is that for the most part you CAN make them optional. The fact that devs have not made yellow paint markers an optional accessibility feature is just plain retarded.Or the constantly talking protagonist/party. You are doing a puzzle and suddenly you hear "I/we should try moving that box!" "Hmm, that window looks like we could reach it somehow!" Super annoying feature. HATE it ruining my obvious children puzzles in god of war. BUT a good idea. They just belong on a "press select for a hint" button, for fags who need it, instead of interrupting you while you solve it yourself. That's not the same as "make the furry game less furry to attract some none furries". Obviously that just clashes. But also, sometimes you gotta find a sweetspot with core appeal. XCOM is a great example for your issue: The Xcom reboot was a lot more "casual" and less in depth than old Xcom titles. But that also helped it become just popular enough and sell enough to fund an expansion Xcom2 and it's expansion. All 4 pretty good games. Not as in depth, but chances are if they insisted in making it exactly as in-depth as the original it might have never been made, or died with 1 game. So sometimes we need to accept some concessions and hope that they still make a good game despite those, instead of going to the worst case scenario, and turning Xcom into a shooter.
>>747636536Yes but bright paint only existed in the places you could dubiously believe it would be, in abandoned factories and industrial areas. The rest of the game the devs did the normal thing of finding other ways to highlight ledges that fit more with the area
>>747630692>>747640237>IS-1057>Yellow Paint>DESIGNATION: Jura (IN/LC)>CONTAINMENT PROTOCOL: Precise methods for containing IS-1057 remain unknown.>IS-1057 is thus far believed to appear randomly, although there is a statistically significant quantity of reports by people who were, at the time of sighting, lost or uncertain of their destination.
>>747627132the fuck you mean this came out in 2013
>>747627896People get the chicken and egg mixed up when it comes to 'reddit humor'. reddit did not create the humor used in these games, it's the other way around. Portal 2 and TSP are responsible for influencing the humor of reddit, but reddit itself is the issue, repeating the same joke over and over and over again and inserting it where it doesn't belong. Portal is funny, but when you repeat 'le cake is a lie' 40,000,000,000,000 times, it isn't funny anymore and started being annoying a long time ago. This is true of literally any joke. You cannot introduce a joke to a group of annoying, unfunny faggots and not have it quickly ruined. See: almost every single popular xitter meme template. Here's the first chad vs virgin meme I saw. At this time, super early on, they were pure absurdity, framing the virgin's normal behavior as weird while showing the chad doing ridiculous shit as cool. Then it rapidly turned into 'me vs you' like every other one of these sort of templates.Here is the solution: ignore reddit. Letting them influence your behavior in one direction is as bad as the other. You are giving them just as much control over you by doing the opposite of what they want as if you were trying to be like them in order to fit in. Only by ignoring them completely do they lack any power over you.
>>747627132Clearly most idiots choose the wrong door, so we gotta have SOME form of handholding.
>>747632925Basically picrel
>>747646461Yeah, by your definition that's fairCommon marketing speech just tends toward resulting in "fuck the fanbase, let change shit around until either the CoD audience and the socmedia harpies start loving us or we finally get laid off!" when they say "inclusive" in an interview
>>747632065you mean the dev itself has been shilling it here personally for three years
>>747637726Tbf, its not a yellow paint. Not even close.
>>747630692Neverhood
>>747637726Oh sure in an AAA game this is slop but put it into Deltarune and suddenly it’s cool gameplay
>>747637256the problem with morrowind was the telepathically communicated extra directions that you'd have no reason to think would pop up in your journal/questlog
>>747646907Don't forget a bunch of environmental artists outsourced in India or some other third world shithole.
>>747632248nta but maybe the bit where he stated>post-ironic deconstructions written and voiced by smug soijaksdisclaimer: i didn't play it
>>747645810>the bards tale came out in 2004 zoomies, mang
>>747647316But this should drive price down, not up, as your team don't waste time on assets, that you bought in bulk.>My dude's salary vs indian one.
>>747638314the solution is for execs to not push photorealism like its god so that the art team and design team aren't sabotaging each other
>>747647453Can we show photorealistic cinema to execs and let players enjoy artsy game?
So there wasn't really a secret ending where you stop the exploding room, right?
>>74764744899% of them being unusable drives costs back up
>>747647448Usually it goes like this>specify X to jeets>sir quick question? need more detail? sir?>have to specify again and again, to the point of holding their hand while they do the job>they send it back>it doesn't work/looks terrible/sounds terrible>have to redo the work or fix it yourself
>>747647448They're not cutting costs.The trade one expensive dev for an entire studio of jeets, thinking that the jeets will be more productive because they hired more of them.
>>747647553>he doesn't know
>>747647551Way things are looking now, we'll just start using a different DLSS lib.
>>747647448In theory it should, in practice it doesn't, it just adds even more bloat, waste and dead weight.
>>747647567but think of all the extra jobs adding to the gdp
Lets be real, those who claim gamers (aka mostly YOU) want less wasted side-efforts and all gameplay are the first to complain and doompost it to obliovion when some dev doesn't give your full VAs for every NPCshitter and the latest nvidia screen smear
>>747647448Arrow goes up now vs arrow goes up later.If you hire jeets, you save on wage cost at first and the arrow goes up now, but then it comes crashing down because they're genuinely terrible at whatever job you give them and the project starts stalling.
>>747648125its real in your mind
>>747627132They have to do anything but have an arrow point you in the direction of the objective because SEGA copyrighted that.
>>747646879>Portal is funnyPortal is funny. Portal 2 is not.The jokes in the first Portal are quick, clever and punchy and don't wear out their welcome. The sequel is the exact opposite, many of the jokes are one-note and overstay their welcome, often being repeated back-to-back several test chambers in a row. The first time GLaDOS calls Chell a fat orphan is kinda funny. The second, third, fourth or tenth time not so much.
>>747648214And in their account books later, which is why no dev cares to listen to you, nvm any publisher
>>747627896You should go back and get the achievement for not playing for years
>>747648486>th-they didn't want your m-money an-anyway
>>747646879It’s kinda like how Monty Python is funny but Monty Python fans are incredibly annoying
>>747648601Over the money of 100 muh 5090 graphics fags? No, they do not.
>>747630692Meet n fuck kingdom 2
>>747632103Kerbals are little green minions, which while not reddit, is facebook mom humor.
>>747629161good, keep them over in rick fuck landt. had to move twice in the last 6 years because software developers came to where i lived and doubled rent overnight
>>747631498I did this why didn't my achievement pop
I think the anons who don't know what reddit humor is or was legitimately are too young to remember the absolute gutter tier humor that was being passed off as comedy in the early 2010s in "nerd" culture.If you want examples of that humor just play Portal 2 or watch scifi channel shows if that era like season 2 onwards of warehouse 13 a show where you can actually see the abrupt change in writing styles. That's like ground zero for that kind of writing really getting popular. Its a number of things really but you'd probably recognize it as "millennial" humor, le so randumb xd, i freakin love science, overt feminism, subvert expectations for the sake of it, and just humor with no teal substance to it at all.I feel like this humor was popularized by people who just consume the very surface level of shows like tom goes to the mayor and tim and eric. They think its just a wacky le randumb show when in reality its actually about overt consumerism, making fun of the hell that is living in bumfuck nowhere, the absurdity of human interaction and relationships but also local budget local tv productions. Another show that was flanderized and turn into a mascot of this type of rotted culture was mythbusters. I genuinely good show that those same people just took the surface level of, theu didn't pay attention to the science or history discussed on that show all they took from it was le heckin movie references, catch phrases, object go boom, and again making some absurd mockery of what they think science as a whole is to replace insert religion here and rebel against their parents.Now excuse me i need to get off this toilet and wipe my ass.
>>747630692grim fandango?
>>747649871THIS. SENTENCE. IS. FALSE. don'thinkaboutitdon'thinkaboutitdon'thinkaboutit
>>747645191reddit overdoes everything, and half the time they can't even reference a joke properly or keep a train of thought. everyone there revels in being sarcastic, but they're also too retarded to know if a post actually is sarcastic unless the poster literally tells people it is in the post.
>>747645390>People being abused, killed, tortured and ridiculedThere are subreddits for that too so, so by definition it's also reddit
>>747645191>At this point what isn't "reddit humor"racial slurs
>>747652424cracker?
>>747645191Any humor that doesn't rely on self-awareness
>>747653216all humor relies on self-awareness
>>747648486/v/ is < 1% of the market.
>>747630585iron is the cheapest and most low effort approach to humourpeople do understand it, they just find it not funny and overusedretards find it 'funny' the same way they find 'reference humor' funny: 'I am soo smart I recognised this reference/this sarcasm'
>>747630585americans love irony and ironic humor which is why they're incapable of being funny and all their comedy sucks
>>747653673The lowest form of humour is referential humour, followed by situational humour (where the term sitcom comes from).
>>747627132It's a fun game.Thought I do sometime wonder what would happen if I did anything than what the narrator say I will do.
>>747653536>insert 'debating with leftists' twitter image here
>>747654784>insert "this image is mostly posted by people who have no actual response as a thought terminator"
>>747630692Leisure Suit Larry
>>747646461>it stands for accessibility (...) That's generally good.>make a good game despite (some concessions)i stand for inversions of those positions, more or lessaccessibility (the journo modes and tutorials, not color blindness or rebinding stuff) fundamentally degrades a lot of design precisely because it always bleeds out of "optional" stuff and into the "intended experience" category, you can't really design around an important variable as if it's never there, unless you add all that shit post-releaseit is not good in a general artistic sense, and it is not some concession one has to endure, because you can make simpler and easier games from the ground up instead of continually beating more complex and brutal games with a hammerthat notion does have some problems, like with xcom example, where simplifying an older series and capitalizing on a name somebody cares about go hand in hand, but overwhelming majority of games are all about combat, so you can bet quite a lot on making violence feel viscerally heh pleasing
>>747654650>Thought I do sometime wonder what would happen if I did anything than what the narrator say I will do.yeah, I can see why you liked it.
>>747655235>the journo modes and tutorials [...] fundamentally degrades a lot of designFirst off: Get off the retarded journo hate. It makes you look like a faggot. Hating journos is such a retarded culture war nothing burger. there's good journos, and there's bad journos. Just blindly hating all of them is "I want to be part of the cool group" sheep shit.Secondly: But it is needed. You need these basic ass tutorials, you need some handholding modes, because like I said: You and me, we have been playing vidya for a hundred years, right? We have probably each of us played more video games than 10 average humans will in their lifetime, easy. So for us, all this tutorial and easy mode shit, it's unnecessary. We know all this stuff. But here's the thing: People die, people are born. Each year there will be somebody introduced to video games who has never ever played any before. And for those people, you need tutorials. And explanations. When's the last time you played a game and went: "How the fuck was I supposed to know this?" Probably over a decade ago. Because by now you have learned all this shit. But there was a time when you didn't know. Anecdote from when I was a teen: I returned a video game to a store because it told me to press "L3". My controller didn't have a button labelled each L3. The store Clerk told me L3 is pressing the left analog stick in. This was the first time a game asked me to do that, I had no clue that was even an option, and the game didn't have the little analogue stick symbol to give me the clue I needed. Every day someone new starts vidya, and if we don't keep tutorials to explain basic shit that you and I already know, then how is everyone ever gonna get into vidya as a hobby, after us? Each day more oldfags are gonna die, and they're not gonna be replaced with new nerds, because lack of explanations turned them off, so they're gonna watch tiktok instead.
>>747630692Rance
>>747627132Games are being developed for people who have never played a single game before in their lives, mostly people who are heavy into cinema and expect games to feel similar to movies. It's the inevitable consequence of an industry that got too big for its own good. Only a crash could restore it to its former glory.
>>747655235>>747656597Have you ever played with someone who's not into vidya, handed them a controller, and when it says "press X" they need to look at the controller? That was all of us at some point. And now if somebody told us to look where the X button is, we'd be insulted. We could use controllers where no button has a label no problem. But we still need labels on buttons for the folks who are buying their first ever controller. Think of the people who still need to look at their controller. They'll grow up to be annoyed by tutorials just like you and me. But we can't cut out the tutorial. Also: >easy mode vs artistic visionEh, this is true for like.. a tiny number of games. Dark Souls and "i wanna be the guy" games have the difficult be the inherent point of what the game is, but for the vast, vast majority of games, you can tweak the difficulty without ruining the game. I'd say it's even necessary to make the game good. Tekken needs to have different difficulty CPUs so that the game stays challenging without fucking you up without a chance to get a hit in. I'm not a big RTS guy but I love me a WCIII or Starcraft campaign. If they were all tuned for pro players with no difficulty setting, I could never play it. Or even shooters, I'm reasonably good at fps, but if every NPC hands out headshots like fucking shroud, then, sure the game might be extremely fun for about 100 people, and for the rest of humanity it would be a "get shot before you even see the enemy" simulator". And you'd say: "Yeah just don't make it THAT difficulty" but what is the issue with giving a different difficulty as an option? For the majority of games and gaming it has been fine. More options in terms of difficulty is a good thing. I can put the shit I'm good at at hard, the shit I'm bad at to normal, and the shit I suck ass at, to easy. You don't need to be a games journo to play FTL mostly on easy mode.
>>747656904rance is peak reddit retard
>>747656921the movie-game thing wasn't targeting consumers, but a result of people who failed to make it in movies wanting to make movies, rather than games. film was already declining in popularity when that trend started.
>>747630692>>747645191"reddit" when applied to anything but the website itself is just a buzzword that essentially boils down to "stop liking what I don't like." or "Thing that I imagine people I dislike enjoy." It's become absolutely meaningless and you should ignore anyone who genuinely talks like that.
>>747630504I remember egoraptor's old vid talking about that stuff, and how long ago THAT was. Then I think about how much we've degraded as a society since that point.That shit really is completely lost to time at this point
>>747645191Le ironic humor is reddit humor, deal with it, plebbitor
>>747632925good grafix, cutscenes and animations cost a lot of money but for some reason /v/ doesn't want to accept that
>>747647448jeets create a mountain of tech debt but the kikes at the top don't care as long as it's enough to fool shareholders in the short term
>>747656597i'll clarify that i am not against tutorials as a concept, even if it boils down to basic interfacing, more so the (very real) trend of easing in new players so hard that the first playthrough might as well be one big fat tutorial, that's the "bleeding in" mentioned earlier>Each year there will be somebody introduced to video games who has never ever played any beforethere are countless people who have not played vidya in any meaningful capacity, the people big shiny expensive games try to lure in because they are the masses that can be sold easily digestible entertainmentbut what is ethically or artistically good in appealing to those people by default? financial and hypemonger positions are obvious enough, but what if i am neither a publisher nor a clout hound? am i supposed to be fearful that the passage of time will ravage digital entertainment even harder than it already does?picrel is an excerpt from a book on text adventures / interactive fiction, a niche and dead genre, but note that it presupposes the GENERAL rule of being coherent: conveying a clear idea to a "model reader"what is the issue with focusing on "model gamer"s then? postmodernist literature can exist alongside smutty pulp fiction and literal children's stories, what makes games any different on that front? this isn't about ebin prepare to die dork souls or weird deliberately obtuse things like cultist simulator, but any game that expects something ANYTHING of the player (or vice versa: doesn't expect anything, like kirby)in case you missed it last year: silksong caused some outrage because it expected players to be good at the first gamelastly:>Get off the retarded journo hatethe insults will continue until the absolute state improves, i ain't giving a lick of respect to marketers pretending to be critics, access media is the same inherently creeping blight that i am railing against
>>747630692TF2 and Sam and Max are the board darlings.
>>747629161Austin is exploding because tech businesses are starting to move there
>>747647187you gotta remember the median deltarune fan has not played much of anything elsenot a joke, that's the reason tobias foxtrot is praised to high heavens, it ends up being some kid's first game that does this or that
>>747630585Literally the other way around.You get butthurt at the phrase “I could care less”, a phrase mostly used by Americans, a phrase that is ironic and used ironically
>>747661751you mean h1b jeets
>>747639256Postal 2
>>747635841AAAAHHH NOOOO NOT THE YELLOW PAINT THIS IS SLOP THIS IS SLOP BAD AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>747627132It was funny for an hour or two, if I had paid for it i'd have been pissed
The game is unfunny
>>747627896So much this, nostalgiafaggots cannot even TRY to defend this garbage, one of the worst "games" I've played>>747630692Fire Emblem: Cerulean Crescent
>>747662065there is no such thing as irony. i actually could care less about something, but it would take effort.
>>747627132GOOD JOB YOU DID IT https://youtu.be/FLnX_xQwqho
>>747632065fyiikltered
>>747630692usually portal 1 is highly regarded, at least the non-cake jokes
>>747630692Sam & Max
