>T minus 0 hours>Still no Steam Frame announcementIt's time to finally admit VR is fucking dead
>$1800 leaked by linusIt's DOA
>>747630617>Requires a $2000 deposit and a scanned copy of your state issued V-card faxed directly to Gaben's estate.What the FUCK were they thinking!?
It's honestly going to cost $2000 dollary doosbros.. I'll use it to watch porn a few times then put it in the cupboard..
>>747631371>I'll use it to watch porn a few timesIt's gonna look shit because of the black and white passthrough.
>>747631594
>>747631594He said watch porn, not look around his own house
>>747631765Yeah ok but your dick is gonna look like ass while you're jacking it.
>>747631804Good thing I'm not gonna see it then as I'll be fully immersed in vr
>>747631804>looking at your dick while jacking itHuh? Do you need visual confirmation it's even there?
>>747631804My belly covers it anyway...
>>747631371I can't believe its $2500 confirmed by gaben on tiktok
So, who is finna gonna crash out once the fat fuck doesn't announce today either?
>>747632691But linux tarball said it was going to get announced TODAY!
>confirmed $3000cheaper than i expected bros
You do have eye tracking set up on your vrchat model for the steam frame right?
If nothing else, the release of the Steam Frame means that people will stop making shit up about the price every single time there's any news about it whatsoever.
>>747637448Is it true that the Steam Frame only tracks your eyes and your eyes only, meaning no eyebrows, no blinking, etc? Because that would be lame as shit.
>>747637854The current leaks are that valves core model will only track gaze, so no blinking, eyebrows, etc.The workaround is that baballonia is a 3rd party eye + face tracking platform that's very likely going to be working on steam frame day one as the devs have kits and are working on hardware for the front port.Baballonia is basically used by everyone using Index eye tracking and most who have BSB 2e's.
>$5000 for mediocre hardwarevalvesissies... how could this be?..
>>747637854Yeah because it's not for vrc troons but for eye tracked foveated rendering + streaming.
Can't wait to be disappointed when I don't win the shuffle.
Valve doesn't even need to sell the frames because linus will pay off their entire production costs for that NDA break
5 HOURSAHHHHH
>Wait 3 days to get an email about how they will send you an email when you can buy it, but they don't know when that is
1 pm eastern
Temper your expectations. You're not gonna get picked to buy one.>But what i-You're not gonna get picked. You're going on the waitlist, and you are going to end up paying more than what the people who did get picked are because the price will go up by the time your turn comes up.
>>747642379>You're not gonna get pickedGlad I'm in australia because the previous two hardware releases it's been easy to get it from the startDidn't get machine though but joined the waitlist out of curiosity and got an invite after 3 days
If I help you with yard work or something will you get me one?There's seriously no way to play wired with this thing though? I would like wireless to be an option for certain games and shorter sessions, but I feel like I'd just asking for brain cancer if it's always beaming such a strong signal right on my head .
I believe in europe I will be chosen as one of the first You need to have faith>>747642739You can apparently do wired via usb-c with the foveated streaming, not sure if it'll be in on release but they're working on itAnd surely with all the FCC certification nonsense it doesn't send super cancer into your cranium from the wireless streaming
You can buyed a quest 3 and over 3000 poptarts for the costed of one steam frame.
>>747643263i dont want zuck to watch me fap
>>747643263The entire reason I haven't touched VR since the Oculus CV1 is because I wanted something standalone that wasn't facebooked.
5 hours
>>747643308I have a quest 2 connected to my real fagbook account and all I use it for is pirated JAV and VAM jerking off. I don't give a fuck if zuck watches. Hell, for all I know my best nuts have been filmed and uploaded to my own Facebook account. I don't give a fuck.
>>747642847Even with us all knowing how safe government organizations will always keep us, it just seems weird not to include a higher bandwith wired connection in the first place. So many of the games that seem to give people the longest sessions (racing, space sims, cockpit-type games) I don't even think the cable would be bother some, and it would have been a really nice option to have
The niggerloving frame better come out today.
Steam VR sale was another lie.
Imagine if zuck delayed quest for a year and you had to win a lottery to get one
>>747646201that's what you get for believing some reddit post
>>747646339Meta always makes enough. They already ordered a million OLED panels for the Phoenix.
Valve does events at 10 AM Seattle time
>>747642095This is why it's so expensive btw
>>747646709One of the few positive contributions of meta is bankrolling displays like that will get them cheaper. And if they fucked off apple and google/samsung and bytedance would still do it, but I still give credit. If all the players in VR hardware were small timers like valve in some PCVR paradise, displays would never progress. No one is going to invoke alien technology to make 8k camera viewfinders.
>xhe thinks it's releasing todayhaha kek
>>747630396where the fuck is this thing
it would be so funny if it doesn't release todayi can already feel the rage
>page is down https://store.steampowered.com/hardware/steamframeHOLY SHEEEIT IT'S FAPPENING
>>747648318Yeah Ghost Town and Moss are pretty good.
>>747648318probably getting DDOS'd by the endless amount of bots trying to access it all the time
>>747648318Frame took so long to come out the Moss studio shutdown.
thinking of all the people in this thread who can't afford this 2000 dollar deviceI will bust a nut in your honor when i get my frame
>>747648694thanks bro
It's not coming out today is it.
im so sorry bro...
>>747649869two more hours bro
>>747650009my hopium is running critically lowit might be over...
I already an Index that I don't use much, so I dunno if this would be much of an upgrade. Not having to be around sensors would be nice I guess
>>747631594You cant tell me that shit costs 2k and doesnt even have fucking colors
>>747632691Who is this semen demon?
90min
>$70,000 price leakedIt's so over
>>747651178Gabe Logan Newell
5 MINUTESmaybe less
>>747653473FUCK I MISSED IT
>>747648694>2000lmao, keep dreaming poorfag
there's a bundle of standalone-compatible gameshttps://store.steampowered.com/bundle/80364/Best_on_Steam_Frame_Verified/do NOT buy this yet, wait until the VR sale starts in an hour
>>747630617Proof?
>>747653912>11 MUST-PLAY VR experiences!>look inside>it's all complete garbo
>>747653912Look at all that shit.
$700 FOR THIS GARBAGEHAHAHAHAHA You have to be braindead if you are actually considering buying this crap
>>747654229>>747654301third party bundlewait for the actual sale for better stuff
More niggerware from niggervalve
>>747631594the colour one on quest 3 isn't great and can't be upgraded there's a leak for a 4k addon for frame that comes slightly under apple Pro specs
>>747654365You switched the samples
>>747654365lol what? actual textbook skill issue
>>747654526the AVP is worse (brand A in picrel)
>>747630396You know exactly why.Say the words.
>>747654710you're supposed to let at least some people get baited...
Is there a price yet
>>747654894>>>/g/109816084otherwise just wait 40 minutes
>>7476548943.6 billion
>>747654365even knowing you swapped what was in the actual video I still don't trust that random youtuber worth a damn
>>747654365https://youtu.be/uG2U_V45Z_c?si=I3QszTxCCNltQTfo&t=253
>>7476548945 hours dumb flandre poster
>>747654365looks more like motion smoothing off vs on tbqh senpai
1600 DOLLARS
>>747631594>Americano starts mention IR sex out of nowhere
https://store.steampowered.com/greatonframe
>>747654805>5K at 60 fpsNot much processing power left for rendering MR stuff after that, or is there?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/723390/HalfLife_3/Holy shit
Steam is running really slow.
beat i can do is 3.50
>>747631945I like to look at my throbbing dick. gets me go harder.
>>747655246
>>747655304I have absolutely no idea. Some say that a bit of processing will be done on the add-on, but I don't know enough about all the parts involved to really tell.
>>747655363I got 2000 ai agents F5'd at light speed ready to enter the lottery for me.
>>747655363scalpers will have real fun trying to sell an overpriced device with an additional markup
>>747655282>>747655517$2,000 to play this.
>>747655593no price announced yet, you silly!!!
>>747655308I raughed
>>747654365https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG2U_V45Z_c&t=127s
>Linus said in the leaked unboxing that PC streaming to the frame doesn't work on linux, your PC has to be windows for streaming to workKEK
>>747655716that was 3 weeks ago, they fixed that a few days afterdevs confirmed they can use their frame with a machine just fine
>>747655716given how much of an absolute imbecile this guy is, i'd assume he just nuked his installation and decided it's most likely because of headset. wireless VR headsets are the easiest thing to support there is
AHHHHH25 MINUTES
>>747655136they are swapped around, steam has better controller update
FRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME
>>747653946if you're still here, there is no proofafter the Linus video got leaked and then privated, people started saying that the video said it was $1800, but I watched that video and the only mention of price was the ergonomic kit at $60
any 'ickers here?
>>747653946ltt leaked video
>>747656215price wasn't mentioned in the leak
https://strawpoll.com/6QnMQPkNlneLet's see if you can guess the price correctly paypigs
>>747656475are we seriously expecting this shit to be 999 at its lowest?I hate this jew world
>>747656653lowest is like $800. $799 in jewspeak
THE VERGE POSTED
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4978460/Steam_Frame_Accessory_Replacement_Kit/
EU pricing
>>747656653They're selling straps and a headband for $60. I think it'll be $999 base, $1200 for the 1TB.
>>747656275Yes it was
>>747656838>>747656771CHRIST AND THATS ONLY THE ACCESSORIES ?3k HEADSET INCOMING
>$10,000 for a VR headsetErm, no way, Jose.
>>747656896no
>1050eur, shows in search bar nowabout what I expected
PRICES ARE HERE>1049€ 256gb>1279€ 1tb (+stuff?)
https://store.steampowered.com/sub/1629486/?curator_clanid=4777282$1300
1049!!!!!
PRICES LIVE ON STEAM SEARCH1049€1279€
>>747656771>>747656838>100 dollarydoos for some strapsFuck the doomposters were right this time
>>747656978>>747656991>>747657008DOA
>>747656987I got jumpscared because this price popped up first
Thanks, bought them all
It's over m8s1050+60 for the essentials kit that for some reason isnt' even included
>>747656987>$1300Yikes
>>747657031Sorry bud, your doomsday scenerio pan out. Go work on your next tortanic to pray for.
Confirmed. Well, it's higher than I'd hoped.
POWER SUPPLY NOT INCLUDEDAHAHAHAAHA
Unironically DOAOnly scalpers will buy it and no one will buy VR games because of thatFat fuck had ONE job
>>747657112what the
Steam Vision Pro
>>747657074$1050 + $60 kit + $150 color passthrough camera + $30 power supply
I'm boughting + accessories.
What happened to "it'll be cheaper than index"????
>>747657165>no one will buy VR gamesWhat games
And there you go.
Well at least I'm sure to win the lottery haha...
holy fucking shit just kill valve. kill gaben. nigger valve.fuck valve.fuck this shit.1050 euro for this piece of shit? gaben die you cockroach boomer
It's not $1.99? Wow, fucking Valve have no idea what they're doing. DOA for sure.
>>747657217AI ruined everything, have you been asleep for the past two years?This would be 600-700 without the memory issues
>>747657217gabe forgor (Skull)
>>747657217The last few years
>>747657217UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIt's cheaper if you adjust for inflation :^)
>>747656991Well I was hoping for cheaper, but I'll buy it.
>>747657263this is 600-700 but the fat cunt wants to make money on it.
I can buy a fucking iPhone 18 Pro Max for that price.
YOU CAN ONLY JOIN ONE (1) WAITLISTITS SO OVER
ONLY ONE LIST PER USER
>You have joined the list for Steam Frame 1TB Kit
>YES SIR I WANT TO PAY 1200USD WORTH OF EURO PLEASE SHIT IN MY MOUTH
256 is fine for base memory, I'll put an SD card in it anyway
>>747657271This is bullshit and everybody knows it.they are simply greedy. fuck what a letdown.
>lottery
>>747657430I've got a quest 3 with 128gb and I never filled it up. The OS + streamer programs is like 30gb and the biggest games I have is RE4 that's like 10.
Someone post the sign up link please
>>747657419samethese people dont know how big 8K VR Porn files get
Less than I was expecting. More than they promised.
>>747657527https://store.steampowered.com/hardware/steamframe
>>747657490Oh I must've imagined computer hardware prices going up, silly me
>>747657541No one cares about jeet-watching cumbrains.
>>747657519It is good for standalone games. With my Quest 3 Meta store games I just delete what I'm not playing. Most of my library is on steam.
>>747630617If you vote Trump you get 5000 dollars. Don't worry you can always trust that guy with money.
>>747657328To do what with?
>>747630396still don't know if I'd actually pull the trigger if I get approved. Last headset was an Oculus Rift S that, after I played HL:A, collected dust. Major sticking point was that it was wired. A wireless frame seems to solve that issue for me. But do I spend $1,050+tip for this shit? I did sell my Rift S for $550 mid-COVID. If I hate the Steam Frame I could conceivably sell it at a profit to some desperate dummy.
Not a good sign if they're limiting you between one or the other compared to the Machine lottery.
>>747657569>mobile hardware>increasing in priceLast time I checked, phone prices didn't quadruple yet. They haven't doubled yet.
>$1050>no power supply (???)please understand. gaben still has a yahct (or 3) to pay for
I wonder whether the 256 or 1tb lottery will have better odds.
Streaming most things from my PC should hopefully make up for the low storage
>>747657671my kind of autism
>>747657619I mean if you don't have fiber internet then yeah the storage matters but I played Asgard Wrath 2 exactly once and that was the biggest game on the system at like 50gb. I've got like 4 others I play and it's only half my storage. Ironically I have more use for the storage to record videos and take photos than games themselves.
>>747657651Google just released a phone weaker than their previous gen for the same/more price, so yes mobile hardware is also going up
>>747657569The only thing that is used by the steam frame and went up is the RAM and the flash memorynobody is using a Snapdragon8Gen3 for AI purposes
>>747657671Theres no way they dont have a shit ton of these things on standby so I dont think it will be an issue
>>747657632I'd love to own an iPhone but alas I'm a thirdie poorfag
>>747657740Apple did that all the time last decadeIt's just kikery
ITS HERE!!!
>>747657671You can tie yourself into logic knots with either one.>256gb Cheaper so intuitively it'll have more preorders, but what if people overwhelmingly assume that so they choose the 1tb version to avoid the crowd?>1tb kitPeople with $1,050 to blow on a hmd just as easily have $1,300 to blow on an HMD. Scalpers will probably prefer this one because it's a higher price ceiling for desperate people.
>>747657658>follows your region's laws>WOW, WHAT A GREEDY JEW>>747657671Based on what Valve have said about prior releases, the 256 should actually be better odds. For whatever reason, their highest ticket items sell the most.
>>747657639ask yourself what the fuck will you even play. VRchat?
>>747657671256gb will have more people sign up, but we dont know if they have the same stock for each size
https://arcturus.vision/COLOR ADD-ON UP
https://store.steampowered.com/hardware/steamframe
>>747657738>Asgard Wrath 2 exactly once and that was the biggest game on the system at like 50gbI also deleted mine. Like playing it, but the Quest 3 isn't fast enough. Low frame rates make me sick.
>>747657835>follows your region's lawsand what law is that? headsets are not allowed to be sold with power supplies? what the fuck kind of retard shit is that lmao. same excuse applefags use
>>747657854probably not, given theprice of memory
>$60 for straps for the controllerswhat the fuck is this
Valve just surrendered VR to Meta.
>>747657849My #1 use case is sitting around in vr environments by myself and relaxing. If not for the $3500 pricetag and locked platform I would've gotten the Apple headset for this usage. Winter is dark and depressing and I'd use a VR headset to escape to a nice environment while I aim heat lamps at myself and pretend I'm in the desert.
IM SORRY GABEN FOR NOT COMPLETING MY PURCHASE OF THE STEAM MACHINE EVEN THOUGH I SIGNED UP I'LL BE A GOOD LITTLE PAYPIGGY AND BUY THE FRAME I PROMISE OINK OINK
>>747657910Yeah I'm waiting for the Quest emulator on PC to work better before playing the game (I only played like an hour).There's a guy working on it right now but he's stuck on getting rid of bluestack and writting a proper arm to x86 emulator.https://github.com/alferiko/rvr-emulator-release
>>747657639Do you know how to install mods? Modded PC games to feel like native vr games has really taken off ever since vibe coding.
>>747657747>obody is using a Snapdragon8Gen3 for AI purposesWaffer allocation and production runs mean the 8Gen3 becomes more expensive BECAUSE nobody is using it, bro. Do you even economics?>>747657752For what?Yeah, it's like a piece of jewelry, but how would it actually improve your life? I could buy one right now, and it won't change anything about my day to day, so why would I do that?Maybe being a thirdie makes you prone to fetishizing status symbols or something.
>>747657867thanks anon, just reserved mine
>>747657867When does it actually ship?
>>747657945I'll just buy some on amazon for a third of the price desu>>747657867oh thats coolwould look a lot better on oled screens though
>>747657945ikr the hardware price is one think (RAM crisis etc.), but the straps are blatanty jewish from Valve.
>>747657994so vr is officially over.
>>747658006you should travel, anon
>>747657926You have to pay extra taxes when selling electronics with a charger.
>>747658052>but how would it actually improve your life?What do you mean how? The smartphones that I use are $200 chink phones that have short support cycles and start lagging pretty quickly. I can't afford anything more. It just feels nice to own nice things, you know? I can't afford an iPhone and I can't afford a Galaxy S26, a Pixel 10 Pro, a good PC, a good laptop, anything, because my salary is like $600/month post tax.>I could buy one right nowWell I can't so I'm forced to buy bullshit
>>747658081yee-haw brotherNow we have to get the actual headset
You kidding me?How many people are clamoring to get a thousand dollar headset that they need to pull a lottery system for it?I had this thing in my wishlist since the moment I was able.I just want my damn headset already. Early 2026 was the promise!
>>747658210>does jewey shit to avoid taxesso gaben IS a jew
>>747658247best of luck buddy
LOL
>>747658193I actually do travel quite a bit but a week in a sunny spot still comes out to more expensive than a steam frame
>>747657884>Half Life: Alyx includedOh hey that's neat
>>747658310I'm gonna be really salty if Valve rejects me
>>747658089
>>747658175>so vr is officially over.CLOBBERING TIME
>>747658097>would look a lot better on oled screens though>wanting to pay more for smearing>wanting to pay more to ruin your eyes>all because you love blacks so much>>747658121Yeah, that's inexcusable.
>>747658332IT'S AFRAID
Holy fuck I legit expected 700€ price point MAX. How the fuck is this shit so expensive?
>>747658210Also you can just use any USB-C charger that supports 45w, and if you somehow don't own one in 2026 that's on you
>>747658393
>>747658284they do a lottery system because valve are faggots and only make a few units at a time. if they had functioning brains, they would know that mass producing it would not only make it cheaper but also drive up interest in VR but valve are faggots so they can't do that. plus, they can gouge more money out of individual customers
>>747658332Isn't that another headset that requires the Index basestations to work?
They're not even bringing back the Index controllers?
>>7476583653s is shit and q3 is too expensive now. even the used ones.
>>747658217Save up and buy a used phone with a good chip and battery, then.I've been using an Xperia 5V for the past two years, and I got it "used" off ebay for like $500, no lag, all-day battery, comfy as hell.>>747658284It's how they'll do all their releases after everyone lied to them about no wanting a Steam Controller and then demanding they be allowed to buy it when it sold out.
>>747657945Seriously, why is no one commenting about this? It's straight up fucking robbery. I'll wait for some bootleg controller straps just so I don't throw the controllers to the wall
Inshallah we will be picked
Seems expensive. Is it any good?
>>747658519Frame controllers do the finger tracking too
>>747658519Index controllers rely on the lighthouse base stations, steam frame controllers are tracked by the HMD (like Quest 3)
>>747658519Index controllers were way too fragile, and basestations are too expensive. If you want a $2000 headset with those get a Dream Air. \
>>747658562I'd rather just die
>>747658398This.My Steam Deck charger lives at my desk and already charges all my devices.>t. Steam Deck OLED 512GB for $400 off facebook
What if they made the accessories so expensive to make the headset cheaper ? huhdidnt think about that, did you say thank you Valve
>>747654718>same game>same person playing it >DURR SKILL ISSUE DESPITE NOT BEING AN ISSUE WITH NON VALVE HARDWARE
Time for an autistic in-depth review.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcerOYY_K1g
>>747658572because it's a shitty ass accessory for the price of two large pizzas anon, no one in the right mind gives a fuck about that while dumping $1000 into headset. and you won't throw controllers because they most likely come with basic wrist straps>>747658519hope not, individual finger tracking on index sucked balls and no one liked it
>>747658467The failure rate for their hardware is astronomically high, if they did mass production then they would be dealing with massive negative PR and class action lawsuits.
>>747658778I don't trust shilltubers. The Q3 was hailed as the best shit ever and somehow they all glossed over the glaring comfort issues.
>>747658729>>t. Steam Deck OLED 512GB for $400 off facebookyou already used up all your luck so no frame for you
>>747657867>have to buy a $150 accessory for color passthrough
>>747658684Early impressions + leaks say it:>has great ergonomics>great lenses>great 'it just werks' experience where you can quick turn it on and get into a game>bretty good screens (not as high resolution or color accurate as apple)>bad stock passthrough cameras (grayscale)>TO BE DETERMINED: standalone performance (no videos out yet as of this comment)At $799 it'd be a hard recommend, at $1050 it's about how much of a lil toad you are for VR
Wondering what model to get. Then again everything is streamed to it. So it only really matters if I somehow want to take this thing on its own or something. Plus I can really just slot in a card if I want more space, right?
While the fact they're going for the >queue up, then randomize it after a few days thing from the start is understandable. I have to admit I'm a bit worried I'll get fucked over. I was able to get a Steam Controller because I was there on day 1 and managed to win the race, lucky as it was, before the queue system. I never really wanted a Steam Machine as I have more than capable PCs, so I queued up anyway just to see but still have not gotten my offer . Frame however is something I've been waiting for, and I'm going to be pissed if the whole thing is inaccessible for ages.
is there a headset with similar specs for cheaper?
>>747657464I wonder how much the lenses will cost. I can't imagine more than $100.
>>747658889256gb should be more than enough for the type of standalone games you could conceivably run on it. Indieshit and such
>>747658891nice blog, golem. please keep us up to date on your latest needo and labubu purchases too
>>747657464FUCK i gotta get my eyes checked out been using these glasses since 2018 i think
>>747658896no>muh quest 3sWorse optics, worse screen, no native streaming, walled garden bullshit from meta,>muh big screen beyondno standalone mode>muh apple vision prono gaems without doing all kinds of passthrough bullshit + 300% more expensive
>>74765893650 for correction. 30 just for protection.
Reminder: You're not getting picked.>but what i-YOU'RE NOT GETTING PICKED.$1059 and $1299 are irrelevant for most of you because it won't be what you pay in the end. You're either getting the 300% markup from a brown scalper, or waiting for the increased prices on the second or even third wave of headsetsTEMPER YOUR EXPECTATIONS. YOU ARE MORE THAN LIKELY ALREADY WAITLISTED.
>>747658358Same. I was lucky enough to get a Steam Controller on launch so hoping my luck hasn't ran out.
>>747658896Depends on the specs you care about. It's not a world apart from a Quest 3, but Frame is the only PC-streaming focused headset.
>>747658961>Talking about Steam Frame reservation system limitations in the Steam Frame thread >zoomoid spergout I'm sorry, I forget if its not a tiktok dance your brain short circuits with text on screen.
They should've given priority to people with Indexes.
>>747658936When I bought Zenni inserts for my Quest I think it was around $50 or something. Pretty reasonable.Zenni glasses are cheap as fuck compared to buying glasses from a store. Makes me think we've been getting scammed on glasses for years and nobody realized it.
They should have given priority to people with 5000hrs in Steam VR
Quest 2 for another 5 years bros
I wish they just made more controllers instead.
>>747659080I'm ok with waiting if I don't get picked. If I get picked and decline I know I'll regret it. But I'm not so turbohyped that I can't wait another 6-12 months to pay MSRP.
If you havent boughted a 70 dollar game recently you aint getting pickedSorry, i dont make the rulesonly good cattle gets the privilege of buying the frame
>>747658896Depends on you what you want. If your focus is standalone there is only the Quest 3. If your focus is PC VR, and don't care about being wired, the PSVR2 with the comfort additions is actually a solid choice.
...and now we wait
>>747658358I'm hoping they are going to put in some additional weights after the randomization, including stuff like >Age of Steam account >How long you've had Steam Frame waitlisted >If you're on list/have purchased other steam hardware and how manyThere's other potential options too, but we'll see.
90min battery life during streamingtrolling?40hour controller battery life for what?
>>747659464What is the Quest 3's battery life? 90 minutes to stream is shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PGKMwgjla0It's... a slightly better Quest 3, but not "that much better"I guess that'll have to do; it's still the one headset that fits my use-case the best, I don't want one that can't do good wireless, so erhAnd the accessories/development should be good>>747659464But then thats's a problem
>>747659464Yeah that's some shit testing.I'll tell you the reality of pcvr streaming and it's gonna be 90fps streaming with medium bitrate (150~) with downclocked cpu and it's gonna last 3hrs minimum.
As long as it still use those waggle sticks, it won't hit mainstream
>>747658891Exactly the same, and I didn't even want the controller.
Poorfags getting uppity HAHAHHA
>>747659608
>>747659392at least 50-100 hours in SteamVR this yearowns lots of VR games
1859 in CANADALMAO
>>747659202We have. Go look up how almost all big name glasses manufacturers are owned by the EssilorLuxxotica company. Like even when you see that there are "oakley" or "prada" or whatever frames in your prescription eyeglass shop/exam/optometrist etc.. they're always trademarks in partnership with luxxotica. The problem with Zenni and many others unfortunately now who make "cheap" alternatives is they often lack the specialization in both frame/lens types. You need super high index lens with all the fancy coating? Nope, no luck - though this is slowly changing. You want frames that aren't big blocky plastic hipster glasses? This hasn't changed as quickly; its hard to get like titanium rimless frames through all of these "we are the cheap quirky alternative online" shops like Zenni or Warby Parker.
I'm interested in them for sure, but I don't have much money right now...But I also know prices will keep rising. Damn dilemma...
>>747659464>40hour controller battery life for what?It's just what you get from a AA battery.
>>747659605stop listening to that retard linusit is an upgrade, the snapdragon 8 gen 3 can emulate ps3 games
What do I need to request from my optician to get the right prescription details? Is it true that sometimes they don't tell you?
>>747630396>NOTE: Power supply not includedKEK
>>747659568Like up to 2 hours. It's fairly standard to just have a second battery in your pocket and run a USB cable between it and the device. Even a cheap 10,000 mAh battery will get you another ~2.5-3 hours. Your mileage with a Pico 4 would be similar too.
>>747658393>Holy fuck I legit expected 700€ price point MAX.a steamdeck is 900€ dude, are you stupid? And that's a glorified phone.
>>747659847I'm not sure I'm gonna be playing a lot of games straight off the Frame thoughGuess I could, but I'm expecting to be in the same room as my PC or close enough to it
>>747659875The values that comes out of the machine, sometimes they're jews and won't give it to you unless you pay
>>747659707Could work. Though I think owning more than a few VR specific games (ie already owning Alyx and/or an Index should be a BIG weight in your favor.) is more than playing recently, as I think there are lots of people who bought and got into VR heavily in the past, but were looking forward to Frame for a revival of PC VR. After all someone spending eleventy billion hours in VRChat or whatnot may give zero fucks about Frame as they've been ERPing with whatever Zuckerberg Ocular Parasite device just fine.
>>747658883>put on headset>I want to see the real world nowWhy?
NINETY MINUTES TO STREAM A GAME RUNNING FROM MY PC???THEN WHAT ABOUT NATIVE ON THE SET?
>>747658460Friendly reminder that Donald J. Trump is still your President. Cope, seethe, dilate even.
>>747660073so i dont step on my dogs paw of course
>>747660073Scanning the environment and space tracking for one
>>74766008530 minutes
>>747659651It's a pc, you can do what you want and just use your gamepad instead, retard.
Well, I guess they heard us on the whole color passthrough - https://arcturus.vision/ . If you don't give a fuck about it, you don't have to buy. If you want really high fidelity AR shit and more, here it is and its not even that expensive.
>Half-Life: Alyx includedis it going to be standalone?
>>747657867
>>747660179Linus said they were working on it.
>>747659875I think I only needed the correction amounts. Like in my case it's -1.5. Just pulled it off the box for my contact lenses.Might have needed to give them the distance between my eyes too. Don't remember.
>>747658393everything tech related is 2 to 10 times more expensive. had this released a few years before, it would have being closer to 500-700.But America has decided to doom the world in favor of a few corporations.
>>747660101>reeeee nooooo don't you DARE suggest the retard in office is responsible for the retarded economic policies he instituted have you donated to AIPAC yet this month goy?
>1h43m playtime on a 2d gamevalvetrannies LOST. you're delusional if you get this instead of a 3/3s
>>747659875>Is it true that sometimes they don't tell you?In most countries that aren't retarded they are legally required to give you the prescription. Some places owned by the monopoly lens company won't supply by default you have to ask but that's it.
>>747630396Nobody is going to buy at this price lmaoDOA
I wanted to get a Frame, but $1000? I'll have to stick with my Index, man. This sucks.
can someone explain how long the lottery system can take
>>747660425read the steam page bro>Join the list any time before Thu, September 17, 2026 12:00 PM CDT. The list is then closed and randomized, and you will receive an email with your results within a day.
Poorchad here, what's the best cheap alternative? $1050 is one thing, but having to fucking spend another $70 for fucking straps and getting dogshit battery life on top of that crosses the lineThe selling point of this is just the dongle + foveated streaming, is it impossible for other corporations to focus on that shit too?
>>747660425takes 5
>>747660425we'll know on the 17
>>747660478quest 3 is about the same but you need a good router for streaming or get a really expensive cable
I paid 500 leaf doubloons for my Quest, why would I pay $1500 more for this? It doesn't even have FBT. This is just the quest without facebook.
>>747659248>Quest 2 for another 5 years brosAt the very least you should upgrade to a new 3S or a used 3.
>>747660073There are mixed reality games.But mostly so I can look around without taking the headset off.It comes in handy more than you might think.
VR is dead until Nintendo makes it their forced generational gimmick and I'm not joking.
>>747660173I preordered, even if I do win the lotto for the frame I may cancel.It says my order # is in the low 4000s, I wonder how that compares to how many people reserved the frame.
>>747660562Doesn't this still close you in the quest infrastructure though? isn't the whole point of the frame that it runs on something more free?
>>747659875
>$1000poorfag bros... I don't want expensive cars and houses... I just want my toys to be accessible...
>>747660478The best one is to wait for the Quest 4 or maybe another Pico headset after their jew apple vision competitor headset
>>747660358i already got a quest 2 and i hate the zuccOS. i have been waiting for a stand alone linux set ever since the very first oculus prototypes sets were unveiled.
Any chance for a self screen upgrade in the future?
index user here.I just wanted the wireless headset.i don't need new controllers and half-life alex again.this costs more than index 1 and is barely better. at least index came with THREE ac adapters and 2 external cameras.
>>747657541>he doesn't stream it from a nas with a 16TB+ hard drivengmiSteam Frame can't even fully resolve 8k vr videos unfortunately, you'd literally be better off with a second hand Xperia 1 III
does steam still do PayPal?the only way I would buy is within 3 payments, my job works on bonus
>>747660641EVERYTHING will stays expensive and will keep getting more expensive for the profit of a few (bad) companies. thanks your government for ruining the world!
>>747660638you can stream anything you want from your pc and there's a bunch of stuff you can sideload onto the quest 3also the entire library is very easy to pirate
>>747660634got mine 36 minutes ago and it's a crisp 1669
>>747660623Nintendo did half-assed VR with the Labo cardboard shit and nobody gave a shit. No way they make dedicated anything for VR.
PREBOUGHTED
>>747660639damn I should get my eyes tested, I can't read these numbers at all
>>747660310no but i will soon. hopefully my money kills some stupid future terrorist
>>747660739I don't think Steam qualifies for that pay in 4 thing they offer. Just get a credit card lil timmy it's the same shit.
>$1000 device>no fast charging>actually worse than a 2020 phonevalvetoddlers btfo
>>747660623Nintendo would lock all their games to their headset, so it wouldn't help much.
>>747658936The lens for the quest 3 were like $15 to $20 on aliexpress.
First time buyers who get this beware:I own 3 different headsets and none of them is comfy without adding shit.Every HMD has like 100 bucks mod tax and frame will be the same - maybe more since you want a battery strap
>>747660795Yes, that was my roundabout way of saying VR was dead.
>>747660706>those prices>b-but muh z-zuccI guess I'm keeping my Index till it literally falls apart even further. Alternatively I'm thinking about the PSVR2.
>>747660641Have you had VR? There's nothing to do anyways unless you're really just wanting to play VRChat all day.I've had the oculus rift, the quest, the quest 3, and the index and every time I just buy it because I like the idea of VR, but all the games are shit and boring. The only thing that is fun is hoping in big screen or something to watch movies with a few friends.
>>747630396I'm fucking blind as a bat without my glasses, how expensive are the prescription lenses replacements going to cost me?
>>747660478the quest 3 is cheap but you have to sign away all your personal privacy to use it
do I get a Arcturus Vision Camera first before the scalpers or do they have a system
>>747660890Does it have swappable batteries?My Quest 3 has a headstrap accessory with magnetic swappable batteries so I can charge one while playing on another to get unlimited playtime.
>>747660634Mine's 2700 or so, and I ordered it 13:13 or so (or at least that's when my email receipt is dated).
>>747660956I was hoping to use it as a general purpose gaming device to play games in theater mode aside from VR games.
$300
>>747661029I'm just waiting on it, no point in buying it if I can't get the actual headset
>>747661060>Does it have swappable batteries?I read that Valve is going to release a battery accessory. Not available yet. I'm sure there will be third party solutions.
>>747660857That future terrorist being (You) because you were captured not saluting the Israeli flag on the way to McDonalds.
>>747661060guarantee something like that will be out if not by the time they ship and start getting into people's hands, then before end of year
>3 times more expensive than Quest3/Pico4>isn't any betterValvefags are the applefags of gaming
>>747661114but only screens
>>747661114garbage fov
>>747660975It's fascinating to me that despite the lenses being right of front of my eyes, my nearsightedness still works the same in VR. Science is weird man.
Where's Reisenfag? I need him to fund my steam frame
>>747660975$60?
>>747660975$50+? you could wear contact lenses as well but it will be more expensive in the long run, depending on how much you use vr.
>>747660975Practically nothing compared to the cost of the headset.
>>747661157on what OS is the pico running on?
>>747661157It's not only not better, it's arguably worse since it has LCD screens. I'm genuinely curious what the Frame offers to justify being $1000+. Because it feels like overpriced shit.
this but right in your fucking face.
>>747661157meta was watching people through the raybans, they have given you a £600 subsidy
>Not available in my region>Will have to pay x1.5 mark up from some kike 3rd party seller
Any review that talks specifically about glassesfags? This shit is so overpriced that I don't even want to get the lens inserts anymore. Plus, since I am going to share this with my big titty goth futa gf that doesn't wear glasses, it would be really annoying to constantly take and put the lenses on. I really just don't want the fucking screens to scratch man
>>747660956this, everyone I know who is considering a frame spends more than that on alcohol in a month and uses vrchat as their only social outlet.
>>747661389it probably was going to be 500 to 600 at first. but due to the prices being high and resellers apparently REALLY fucking over Valve (saying "pay very high price or we never work with you again"), they are forced to do this
>1k for TMR joysticks
>>747661456>This shit is so overpriced that I don't even want to get the lens inserts anymorejust get inserts, scratching the lenses and your glasses isn't worth it
>>747661414>noo you don't understand Valve the operator of the biggest online casino CS2 is the ethical oneok
>>747660706Alyx isnt raising the price really, but the controllers here have to be different as they're not using the Lighthouse tracking system by default (though supposedly you 'll be able to get some kind of adapter thing for the Frame to make use of Lighthouse tracking accessories down the road), which is what lets the Frame be fully wireless. I too own an Index but I think the Frame has some nice upgrades in certain regards including the wireless bit. The price is probably a lot of it being the stupid as fuck pricing thanks to storage / RAM; I imagine it was probably $200-400 cheaper originally. I'm guessing Valve is also pricing it with a bit of leeway so that they don't need to jack its price when they make further batches. We're in an era where SSDs that would have been fucking $40 a year or two ago are selling for $150.
>>747661397yep, I sleep with those
>>747661456see>>747659074I'm sure it will be exactly the same.
>>747661456become a contact lenses chadmakes you look better as well
>>747656215>>747653946>>747630617it's $1000
>>747661528I've been using Pico 4 in glasses for almost 4 years and nothing scratched, I'm not sure it ever happened to anyone, just an urban legend. Just use the spacer for glasses and you're good
>>747661626I want to be the ugly bastard tho
>>747661531meta is taking screenshots as you use it , no expansion port locked down os forked from android before Google even got into xr
>>747661551>the wireless bitNTA but I also own an Index and this garbage being wireless is the second most off putting thing for me, first obviously being the insane price for what you get.
Gaben just called, my Frame is on the way and he is sorry it took so long. Still love the fat fuck but daaamn.
VR has always been cringe shit. It looks bad, it has no games.
>>747660956Anyone play simulators in VR? E.g. racing sims or flight sims. Do you always use VR or do you just default back to normal monitor/head tracking setup?
>literally everyone subsidizes gaming hardware>but not ValveMaybe they should start collect 60% from every PC game sale, they seem to be broke
>>747661105I'd probably just get those Viture Pro 2s or whatever they are. I hear great things. You'll save a lot of money.>>747661460that used to be me. I would get so drunk and just run around that game being retarded.I only liked playing that and echo arena. Everything else is a tech demo. Also I couldn't play but for an hour at a time because my eyes would get fried and I'd get computer vision syndrome.
>>747661661that reduces the fov and makes the whole thing uncomfortableI've had the scratching happen
>>747661531I wouldn't say Valve is good except by comparison, because everyone else is almost cartoonishly evil.I liked the Quest 2 mechanically, but I hate all the facebook tracking shit that you can't disable
have any reviews showed the tracking area/how the controllers act when they leave it for a moment?
>>747661732Use Pico then. I don't care if some chinaman is watching me jerk off, how does that affect me
>can buy the steam controller without the steam machine>can't buy the frame controllers without the frameFUCK YOU GABE YOU FAT FUCKING WHALE NO WONDER YOU BUY A FUCKTON OF YACHTS YOU JUST WANT THEM TO PULL YOUR FAT WHALE ASS BACK TO THE OCEAN
>>747661210Is there any reliable way to screen your Steam inventory for shit that is rare or expensive? I have so much crap in mine that i'm sure there's probably some bit that some autist would pay for. However looking manually means basically looking through all of the >$0.03 cards and the like
>>747661732Honestly it's pretty insane how Meta went from "yeah we are doing regular VR" until Q2, then everything after that was them adding some insane creepy features between that or their glasses which honestly I don't think should exist. Some American companies are getting crazy. It's like they suddenly stopped having any limitations
>>747661862>I don't care if some chinaman is watching me jerk off, how does that affect meliteral cattle brain
>>747630396>is literally a PC running linux that you strap onto your faceThis is what interests me the most with the frame. I'm pretty interested in seeing what people manage to do with this thing.
So, what about piratefags? I was planning on buying some VR games but FUCK that shit when the fucking straps cost $70. Do pirated games still have access to all of the settings? I am watching a video and you can select refresh rate and etc
>>747661813>reduces the fovI wear glasses, my fov has been shit for the past 30 years
>>747661551>I too own an Index but I think the Frame has some nice upgrades in certain regardsi guess the new controllers make sense, but they removed the color passthough on the headset.its black and white when you look through your room now.Ii'm fine with cameras, but i wish index was just wireless.i had the cable go bad near the hinge area. i think steam frame might end up with the same issue.
>>747661870they probably want to keep a 1:1 stock for a while to avoid bottlenecks
>>747661862well yeah the frog does not care about being boiled either
>>747661949what's the point of color passthrough? Porn?
>>747661904>can't actually explain how that affects meWell how does that affect me, dog brain?
So is the arcturus vision camera thingy a must add-on for the steam frame? The comparison on the website looks fake as fuck.
>>747661389Universal foveated rendering for me. But everything else is so much worse (shit screens, no color passthrough) that it's hard to justify spending so much money when I could get the quest 3 for a fraction of the price
>>747661994It's a standard feature these days, it's just nice to have. What's the point look around you in black and white when you paid 1k
>>747661795They have no reason to subsidize it heavily like traditional console manufacturers.Nintendo, Sony and Xbox subsidize their hardware because they want to draw you into their closed ecosystems which they then make their money back on.As far as I'm aware the Steam Deck is an open platform. Once you buy it you can do whatever the fuck you want with it.
>>747630617Good work Linus and/or idiot OP
>>747662075I don't look around the room when I'm in VR, that's the point
>>747661870Huh? The frame controllers can only be tracked by the frame
>>747630396Steam Frame is more baffling than the Steam Machine. VR is stagnating, so Valve decides to release a new VR headset that's only slightly better than a Quest 3, but without Meta's ability to keep costs down (the Quest 3 is an unbeatable value at $599), and no new game to go with it.
>>747661626i look better with glasses
>>747662008Only if vision passthrough is really important to you for some reason. I personally almost never use the feature myself nearly enough to care about it being black and white.
>>747661994Mainly VAM porn, you can green(any color)screen the background in the scene and use passthrough.
>>747660975if you can afford a steam frame you can afford lazer eye surgery
>>747661994gaussian splattingI'll be 3d scanning my lab
>>747662075Seriously. When you're already paying $1000, being nickle and dimed this fucking hard over basic quality of life shit like full colour vision passthrough and a fucking HEAD STRAP is asinine. It's like buying a top of the line car only for the seat cushions to be a paid addon or some shit. Fucking astounding levels of greed on display here.
the passthrough being black and white sucks only because the index did it in color.like its a new version of the headset that costs more, so you'd think it'd be better all around.>>747662220oh wait fuck
>>747662269>Permanent dry eyes and other shitty problems the LASIK kikes don't warn you about No refunds.
>>747660917As a PSVR2 owner myself using it exclusively on PC, it's great. OLED panels are real nice, it's well put together and the tracking is decent most the time.
>>747662397>LASIK cuckGet SMILE you retard
>>747662135Linus is a leaf and it's $1859 in their monopoly money.
>>747662269No thanks I don't want to actually go blind just for a few decades of better vision
>>747662269what about halos and starbursts
>>747661929From my experience with pirating with the Steam deck. The only difference between pirated games and non-pirated games is downloading the community shaders and binding presets. and you could get around that with renaming the game name to the steam app id downloading that shit and renaming it back..
>>747662269>if you can afford a steam frame you can afford FIVE steam frames
>>747661631That's 1800 CAD, and linus is canadian, so yeah >>747630617 was indeed true.
>>747661752While I agree that the option to connect wired should have been there at launch, wireless is a major factor of convenience and comfort. If you knew you'd have the same quality/reliability wired and wireless, I can't imagine too many times to prefer wired . It has other benefits, but I'm pretty sure Valve had to go wireless because there arent enough people who would buy a wired only headset at this point after seeing the wireless options - even if they were proprietary and fucked up phone-strapped-to-face ones, many didn't understand or care. >>747661949Color passthrough is now an option and at MUCH higher resolution - https://arcturus.vision/ . I guess they were trying to keep prices down and knowing that only people who really care about mixed reality/AR stuff will want passthrough (aside from some professional use or other shit. With Arcturus I can imagine its going to be one hell of a drone controller device) they went with B&W for the baseline "don't stub your toe or crash into shit outside your playspace because you flail around" but left the upgrade for those who wanted the color ultra high res stuff. >Wireless IndexI haven't checked for awhile but isn't there a wireless module you can get for it made by a third party? As far as cables going bad near the hinge, I don't know with the Frame, given the stress on the cable will be very different without a wired connection most of the time but anything could happen>>747661994Porn seems somewhat cumbersome in that regard but doable and people will do ti. More for other shit. Check the link above for some of the things the Arcturus lets you do
>>747662357index was luxury for the time, steam frame was designed to be more budget friendly but ram prices fucked itwhat I want to know is, why is the steam frame passthrough blue instead of grey?
>>747630396What's the emulator potential here? Is the ARM-based Linux emulation scene as good as Android on ARM's? Can the Frame controllers operate outside of the Steam OS environment without being a mess?
>>747662008GN's opinion from the review is that the passthrough camera is a complete smeary piece of shit so if I do win the lotto I think I'm gonna keep my camera preorder.
>>747662331Full color passthrough is not basic at all, it's an extremely niche luxury you have no reason to have.
>>747662707>why is the steam frame passthrough blue instead of grey?you can tint it yourselfblue by default
>>747662702>I haven't checked for awhile but isn't there a wireless module you can get for it made by a third party?absolute dogshit not worth any money whatsoever
>>747662760>luxury you have no reason to have.Maybe don't charge luxury prices then, retard cattle?
>>747657867I don't give a single shit about color, but will that garbage allow for mixed reality shit? I wanted piano vision since I can't read sheet music for shit due to being a guitar tab fag and due to having shit eyes, but apparently there's no hand tracking?I am a VR virgin, I have no idea what's going on
any eye tracking benchmarks?
>>747662075>>747662331>nickel and dimedlol watWhy would I want to look around? I don't put on the VR headset to walk around my house lmao some passthrough is handy when you need to move or check where you are and it can do that, so what's the point
>>747662952why not just learn reading sheetsjust print them big if you have such bad eyesight
What are some ACTUALLY good VR games worth exploring?
>>747662507I have those already so it's not a risk. But I haven't done it because I hear there's a chance it gives you dry eyes for the rest of your life and that sounds terrible.>>747662536no way Canadabux are barely worth half of Americabux
>Prescription Inserts by Zenni>America and Canada onlyso what do europeans do?
Can you play it plugged in for extended battery life? 90 min for vr play is kinda shit. My average night in vr usually ends up lasting 5-6 hours either from drinking and playing pool or giving myself ptsd playing fps mp games.Anyone know if it's comparable to a steam deck in standalone mode?
>>747663009>Why would I want to look aroundTo pick up your controllers after you put the headset on? Are you going to be putting the headset on WHILE holding two controllers?Yes it's not important but it is something you will do every single time you play, and you will be reminded that it looks like shit
>>747662952>will that garbage allow for mixed reality shit?why wouldn't it?
>>747663061>just print them big if you have such bad eyesightI fell for the HP meme and can no longer afford ink
>>747663096it's true, we're gigacucked
>>747663136LASIK
>>747663096>>7476631891859 leafbux for 1tbYIKES
>1 hour of battery when playing standalone>3 hours for full rechargeKEKAROOOOO
>>747662158>but without Meta's ability to keep costs downMeta's hyper-subsidized walled garden bullshit is a part of the reason VR game development stagnated.Why make actual games or try to push the medium forward when it's exponentially more profitable to make Gorilla Tag clones, turn Roblox games into standalone F2P cash grabs, and shit out yet another unimaginative "sports" or "gym" simulator? It's not like the captive audience has interest in anything else.
>>747662952>but apparently there's no hand tracking?there's rudimentary gesture stuff, meaning they are working on it
>>747663162You don't need color to see where the walls, chairs, controllers, etc are dude. my quest has color passthrough and I've never needed the color at all, and I use it a lot. Looking forward to getting away from the Meta spy shit though
>>747663232fuck no
>>747663242source for these claims?
I wonder how hard valve would come to rape me if I quickly made a little plastic holster that made it a unibody controller for playing flat games, and sold it for like $20.
>>747663093virt a mateskyrim vr with mods (can even do finger tracking and anything you'd want)dolphin vr (f-zero gx)metroid prime in vr (primedgun)doom 3 vr (the one that makes your left hand a flashlight)
>>747663136we wait until tomorrow when they wake up and push the pagehttps://vroptician.com/prescription-lens-inserts/valve-steam-frame
>>747663324literally every review of it
>>747663061>>747663187>printingmotherfuckers just put the sheets on a screen in front of the piano and zoom it, it's not that complicated
>>747663324https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PGKMwgjla0
>>747663292contacts
>>747663336>>747630396>They removed the trackpads from the controllersI've never owned the Index, but is that a big loss?
>>747663093Only one I play is Forefront. The Battlefield game.Very fun.
>have to add a bunch of heavy addons to get what should be includedWhy not add another model with colour passthrough and better screens?
>>747663336they pretty much welcome 3rd party shitthey even go as far to give out 3d models usually
>>747630396>2x more expensive than quest 3>same specs than quest 3>godawful camera >shorter battery life than quest 3lol?its a sidegrade from quest 3 if you dont count the battery lifeotherwise its a downgrade for 2x the $and quest 3 is ... 3 years old ...
>>747663336They aren't meta. You're free to make hardware and software mods.
>>747663291>I don't NEED a standard feature after paying 1k for a headsetYeah I don't need it either but I would feel financially raped in this situation
>>747663363ah, thanks
>>747663474Valve is allergic to subsidizing their products, and RAM is also fucking them hard in the ass right now. It is what it is
>>747663283>Meta's hyper-subsidized walled garden bullshit is a part of the reason VR game development stagnated.Fuck Valve for trying to follow Meta's dead end solution while not being able to keep similar price.
>everyone talking about meta quest 3vrlet here, can I use quest 3 in whatever game I want? E.g. DCS or assetto corsa? Also does it work on linux
>>747663283>Meta's hyper-subsidized walled garden bullshit is a part of the reason VR game development stagnated.Yeah people really underestimate how much they fucked things up. Facebook bought almost all of the competent VR devs, and then forced them into a walled garden with tons of rules and restrictions. >>747663504It's not a feature I use or care about. Why would I feel raped? The headset won't suck my dick either and neither will Alyx
>>747662331>being nickle and dimedgreyscale/monochrome passthrough is still industry standard. Only headsets that have color are AR first and VR second. Additionally it was made clear this was not a top end device - its being marketed as a medium/high end option that would be available within most people's budgets and have valve backing it. Look at the price of other headsets that have full color passthrough. For a gaming focused VR headset color passthrough is a nice to have but hardly a necessity as most people will be using it to just find their waterbottle or whatnot. Having it as an optional module was actually a really cool move because for the few people that actually want the passthrough will be able to have it. Headstrap i can kind of agree with you on, however i have no idea how it will feel with whatever the default kit is. That being said though the default strap for the quest2/quest3 was also pretty shit and 3rd party is where you wanted to go with that anyways. I could potentially see and argument for valve figuring everyone would go 3rd party or make custom fittings for it anyways and didnt want to lower their already thin or negative margins including something a majority of people are going to throw away/replace right away anyways. Hard to say before its released.>fucking astounding levels of greedare you joking? Have you seen the cost of hardware lately? For whats in it, it should cost way more than it does. if valve is actually profiting off of it past the first batch they got with component pricing from last year id be incredibly surprised. The price was about $500 less than was was expecting for the base unit and likely is being subsidized by them going forward so they can build up marketshare. The price of ram and storage alone makes this thing's price increadibly reasonable and id argue really good value in Q3/Q4 2026.If you want to hate on it though, go ahead - show me how much similarly specced devices cost right now.
>>747662702>If you knew you'd have the same quality/reliability wired and wireless, I can't imagine too many times to prefer wiredYes but I don't believe Valve's fairy tales how Frame is not going to have any visible compression artificats.
>>747663336the steam frame official reservation page links out to a 3rd party mod for full-color camera passthrough. valve doesn't give a shit about you making mods for their hardware.
Well, that's cool and all.But what games?
>>747663645>It's not a feature I useYou literally use it every time you put the headset on. And you'll be reminded that they cheapened out on the color
I'm gonna be honest guys. After doing some research and checking out comparisons between the index and the frame, and seeing that the frame is ultimately not made as a dedicated gaming pcvr headset and is more of a shitty ass headset, I think I'm not buying.$1200 for the 1TB model is there a better non-valve model? I honestly already have the index.
>>747663758We copy the tendie trick and play the same 10 year old games, except with VR now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll1PnUcxhto
>>747663704Guess we'll see. Given the thing has eye tracking and both supports FOVated streaming by default on everything and FOVated rendering on anything engine wise that supports it, even if there are some it may very well be accurate that you'll never see them. They seem to be betting a lot on this tech. I still object to not being able to just hook up a displayport cable to the thing by default, because I always like having wired backup, but we shall see I suppose.
>>747662403Do you have any comparison to an Index or something similar?
>>747663758Probably a lot more, since there will be another major player with a much more open platform than Quest. I hope so anyway>>747663776>You literally use it every time you put the headset onWhat? No I don't. Do you even play or use VR? What are you so upset about?
>>747662912my guy, have you seen the hardware market lately? buying 16 gigs of ram and an ssd would run you half of what gaben is asking. 1100/1500 is fucking hardly luxury pricing for computer shit right now.
VR is a meme and always will be
>>747630396>no base stations It's not even a good headset to play vrchat with, the only game people actually give a shit about for VR. For that price, who is the Frame even for?
>>747660817hearty kek
>Look at Heresphere VR video player on steam>You can watch multiple videos at the same timeoh yeah, it's gaming time
>>747663610They're not though. It runs SteamOS, same as the Steam Deck/Machine. You can do whatever the hell you want with it (Linux permitting).
>>747663776Yeah they'll all tell themselves they don't care about color passthrough because it doesn't seem important, but it will be a constant small annoyance every time they use the headset. Until they finally cave and spend $150 for a camera accessory.
>>747663973>base stationsnobody wants to use thatjust get fluxpose to shake your ass at other men you faggot
>>747663578The problem with subsidizing products is that the ones doing it generally have contracts that make it cheaper so it doesn't hurt as much.Valve has NO influence in that industry as proven by the steam machine, so it would be a lot worse than like consoles or fb do it, as they have stablished contacts in the industry, and now is specially worse when even AI companies get much more priority than old clients.
>open the great on frame page>99% non VR indie slop >filter by VR>only 68 results, most of which looks unappealing
>could buy a meta quest 3, a beefy computer stronger than the PS5 Pro and have money left over>or I could fund Gabe's next yatch while sucking off his thick girthy cock for a VR headset with 50 minutes of battery life
>>747664001And why would I want to do that when I can get anything to run linux if I need it?
>>747663973Huh? Aren't a bunch of VRchat players using the Meta Quest 2 / Quest 3 / 3R / Pro because its wireless? I mean sure, you can use base stations and that sort of tracking, but even VRChat's page last I looked had a big thing about using it with meta's onboard zuccvision and all that.
>>747663189isnt it kinda irrelevant though because the minimum wage or average pay in canukistan is like $30/hr or some bullshit
just checked out index.THIS is how steam frame should have been sold.notice how index is only 1000 if you get the bundle.
>>747663636Yes, and yes. Modern PC VR games use openxr now, so specific headset compatibility for PC games hasn't been big issue for a while. For Linux, you can't use the official Meta software (why would you want to?), but WiVRn can stream from a Linux PC to a Quest 3 and many other headsets.
>>747664001Well, it's Linux-on-ARM. It's not an x86-based system.
>>747663578Maybe they shouldn't have build a standalone headset, then. It would be better marketed as competition to Pimax or something instead of Meta.
>>747663885>Probably a lot more, since there will be another major player This was true for the Steam Deck and Linux because it was so affordable when it came out ($350). So many new people joined Linux, devs actually started giving a shit about Linux more.That's not going to be the case over a new $1000 headset for VR unfortunately.
>>747664150Stop noticing things
You can't even threaten to ass rape Scam Altman because he'd enjoy it. He basically can't lose.
>>747664150>>747664274>implying computer parts haven't doubled or tripled in price since then
>>747663876Foveated rendering is there to get it down to 11ms compression latency. It's a workaround not improvement.
I literally only see passthrough if I happen to step outside of the playspace area by accidentthere are people ITT who wish this fucking thing was even more expensive for a feature only they give a shit about
>>747664072>>a beefy computer stronger than the PS5 Pro and have money left overLmao c'mon
>>747663578nobody is asking them to subsidize, they are charging fucking 1050$ for base version with no accessories, no charger and nothing in the boxalso frame dosnt have desktop ram in it, its a qualcom chip, same as your smartphone, it rose in price, but not even close to by how much desktop components did
>>747664370Does that mean Steam's profits need to double or triple along with it?
>>747664072have you ever used a meta device with steam? they work but they're a massive pain in the ass to deal with, frequently having issues, constantly being nagged to update the meta software, cant use the device without meta software, cant use the device without the meta app, cant use the device without a meta account, freaks the fuck out over random shit all the time.ive put a lot of hours in vr with my quests, but honestly having something that just fucking works with my normal library, even standalone, without dealing with all of metas bullshit forced compatibility dances will be worth it for me.>>747664087generally yea. Base stations are pretty ass and theres tons of viable fullbody tracking solutions that dont require them. If you're trying to do some hyperaccurate motion capture stuff or like if you're a VR idol and do performances then you might actually need that level of accuracy - but even then most of the tech being developed over the last few years has been without base stations in mind.
>>747664150we really didn't know how good we had it
>>747664439You know it's fucking true. Keep gargling Gabe's balls in your mouth. Faggot.
>>747663913of course. it's a shame they can't lower the price. Even as a meme it's cool, but not when the entry price is $1300+ (including ergo kit and color passthru).The actual experience of using VR is cool. Playing games in VR is very cool. Even boring shit like walking simulators are very cool in VR. The social possibilities of VR are very cool (not troony VR chat, but in a world where all my friends had VR headsets and we could 'hang out' virtually since we all live hundreds/thousands of miles apart now).But the price makes this shit DOA. It wouldn't be a stretch on my finances to buy a $1300 toy but it immediately goes up against all the other 'nah probably not a good use of $1300' impulses that I've been vetoing. I could get a 4k240hz OLED HDR monitor for $1300 and use it every day. I could get a pair of extremely nice speakers for $1300 and use them every day. I could get an extremely comfortable computer chair for $1300 and use it every day. Or I could spend $1300 on a device that I'd most likely use for a few months and then shove in a box before selling it on the secondhand market.
>>747664370Did fucking nylon and plastic prices also fucking triple? This shit being over $20 is proof that Valve is just fucking with the customersWell, I am going to pirate everything to make up for the retarded pricetags, so Valve is going to miss out on the 30% gaben tax in my case
>>747657639I'm in the same boat, last VR headset was Rift S and after playing Alyx the only games I really play constantly were Pavlov and BeatsaberBut $1000 for 2 games I might play once a week is a poor decision
>but muh quest 3s is le 2 times cheaper!!!!Retards don’t understand that Q3 is "cheaper" because Facebook sells it at a loss. And you pay the difference with YOUR data, YOUR privacy, and YOUR behavior, which is analyzed and sold to Palantir.On the other hand, Steam Frame comes pre-installed with GNU+Linux, and it lets you install whatever you want, even Gentoo. It doesn’t collect your data or spy on you. You pay more to avoid being ad cattle and to be a free white man.
>>747664674one use case I've been considering is using claude / astra to help me vibecode some VR environments just for my own use. Help me slop together a cool forest Home environment in UE5. But still not for $1300
>>747664630Yes. Are you stupid or something? What planet do you think you live in, retard?
>>747664630>Did fucking nylon and plastic prices also fucking triple? This shit being over $20 is proof that Valve is just fucking with the customersHe will conveniently ignore this while preordering the frame like a good little drone
>OH NO THE RAM IS SO EXPENSIVE>The OnePlus Ace 5 (16GB RAM + 256GB variant) is currently the cheapest phone featuring the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3, typically priced around $380 to $410 USD via global import/export retailers.You were saying ?
>>747657639>>747664674I am searching for decent replacement for my ancient Rift S, but this price is really telling me to keep looking.
>>747664687People don't care about selling their soul anymore it seems like
>>747664687And how exactly does that affect me?
>>747664578Prove it nigger, show me a PC under $899.00 that's more powerful than a PS5 Pro
I wonder how well Dota runs on the standalone mode. If I could play dota on this shit then I'd only need to pack a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to play Dota on the go. I could play it on a starlink-enabled flight. I could play it when visiting my friends overseas. But I don't think it can run dota on standalone which is kind of heinous
>>747664810plastics did not TRIPLE in price, retard
>>747659875They're in the business of selling glasses, the eye test has basically no profit margin so a lot of the time they're reluctant to give you the prescription and let you order cheaper glasses onlineYou need your strengths and the PD if you're getting custom prescription lenses for VR
>>747664687Who gives a shit about Linux on VR headset?
>>747664854
>>747664865you don't deserve privacy or dignity. It does affect you, but if you can't immediately see how you're being tracked, monitored, and manipulated then you don't care because you're a slave.
>>747664687>my data, privacy and behavior is worth 600 fibby dibby you're making me blush anon!Any chances of meta making a super powered dongle and adding foveated streaming via an update? I don't care for GNU+Linux shit because I am going full PCVR
>>747664810embarrassing post
>>747664171Well, it can stream live from whatever PC you have, or it can run Linux on ARM but using their "Proton for ARM" techwhich name I forget that basically translates X86-64 to ARM64 and viceversa. However you don't have to run the games themselves ON the headset's hardware, it can just be there to accept the streamed content from your PC as a client. >>747664150This is how Index is sold years after the original launch because people needed replacements and updates. At the beginning all you could buy was the full kit . That's how I bought mine. I'm sure they'll sell individual controllers or HMD down the line. >>747664381There is both FOVeated rendering and FOVeated streaming, which can do different things. Its both latency and bandwidth and its as much a workaround as anything that deals with wireless usage at the rest of the features and fidelity involved. If it was up to me I'd want to have an easy comparison with a direct wired hookup but apparently all the newfags these days simply won't accept anything that's not wireless and thus Valve didn't want to pay for having a custom displayport plug and/or breakout built in that almost nobody would use. I've always been against lacking a backup but I guess Meta broke everyone's brains that wireless is now "easy and fine/good enough" while also stealing all of their information .
>>747664865>>747664950>>747665035holy shit, actual goycattle itt
>Hardware prices are up.>Valve passes that on to the consumer rather than accept the difficulties of the market.>Doesn't make any effort to soften the blow.>Doesn't even include mandatory accessories.>The best they can do is give you a game from 2020 for free.Wow, gee. Thanks Gabe, new superyacht this year, It take it?
>>747664873>Do my work for meLazy retarded tranny. Go buy your overpriced VR headset so you can groom kids on VR Chat with your other troon friends. Make sure to put on your cute little skirt too, FAGGOT.
>>747664485>t. guy whos never made anything in his entire lifeshit aint cheap, even for companies. you speak as if valve will be making billions from this thing. Meanwhile the reality is they are likely barely breaking even and likely even taking a loss on it for a long time when you factor in research, development, and support.Valve's real cash cow is the steam store. If they didnt have that backing them up the frame would likely not be a viable product at that price in current times.>>747664460all components went up in price massively. Yes, i know its qualcom and not DIMM/SODIMM but you're also forgetting that getting fab time is incredibly expensive. Making a run of chips, even smartphone grade chips is way more expensive than last year, making any sort of ram, dram, or flash memory is way more expensive than last year, component pricing on everything has gone up. If you think $1000usd is premium pricing for anything computer related in current year then you're either living under a rock or broke as shit and only used to ali-express specials
I'm still on a 1080ti with a Rift 1. It sucks that there are neither new games or headsets worth it to make me upgrade.
>>747665021>>747665092I'm just asking you to tell me how it affects me.How is my life impacted more than anyone else's from doing this?I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just asking you to demonstrate your claim.
>>747664687This shit would've been $400-500 last year. This headset is now competing with top-tier 3rd party headsets. It's the steam box all over again. Anyone with a serious brain is now realizing they might as well shelve out $400 more and get the real premium level if they are already forking out $1200. People will buy it as a status symbol the same way certain people buy rims.
>>747665092I've just finished fapping to Aika and I am now typing NIGGER without using a VPN. You think I give a shit about muh privacy? At least meta pays me for stealing my data. The fat fuck on the other steals my data and still makes me pay $70 for 3 straps
>>747664687I lived to see a frogposter make more sense than most of its replies. I've been here too damn long. In the oldfag days there would be universal condemnation for Meta's Zucc Ocular Parasite device and its operation.
>>747664630>controller straps are an addonThis is some prime horseshit, those are basically mandatory
>>747664578>>747665141no one is asking you to do their homework for them, but you're either being a disingenuous faggot or havnt looked at pc pricing since 2023. budget builds with a 60 series card cost around $1100 these days. Any PC that would be described as "beefy" is minimum 1800+.but you know what, if you are gonna be a fag, why not tell us what components you'd expect in your "beefy" rig and we can tell you what the price would be.
>>747664901If I was playing dota and I discovered some quirk chungus motherfucker was on my team playing in VR mode I would try and psychically kill you for fucking around instead of trying to win.
>>747665141>Can't post evidence to back up his point>g-go look for yourselfThank you for showing you were a lying third worlder anon.
>>747665204Name the premium VR headsets I can buy for the same price.
>>747665414it ain't ti my guy
>>747664906>>747665062womp wompYou are like stupid children, living the life of a simpleton.
>>747665083Frame is using 6ghz band. Walls will be problem. They could have used anything with higher bandwidth and do away with compression. Or, they could just ignore retards and realize most people will be using it in the same room as their PC, especially when there will not get any new customers with that price.They probably hired too many meta ex-employees and forgot to tell them to develop something new.
>>747665517Found the faggot that randoms Chen and then proceeds to trap me in a 1 hour long loss that I can't leave
>>747665414no you don't understand, there is no 'vr' mode. It'd be projecting a window of the game onto a vr environment. Think like watching a movie in a virtual theater. Instead of lugging a monitor, a pc, a keyboard, and a mouse around, I could just theoretically have a frame, a mouse, and a keyboard. like picrel
>>747665426>Doesn't even deny him trooning and grooming
>>747665556>15%
>>747665639What happens when the game reaches hour 2 and the headset dies?
>>747665367People were complaining about this before to the contrary>Why are there straps! I will just buy 3rd party ones! I don't need them anyway because I'm not exercising etc.. Ever since the Quest line came out with that sort of inside out tracking and wireless devices, without controllers that had sort of the Index Knuckles sort of "strapped onto your hand" design (which I always liked and gave excellent finger tracking) , people started bitching about it. I am guessing they're selling this shit as extra because they know some people will just go and buy some 3rd party accessory instead and would whine about increasing the price any little bit if it was included by default yet most would ignore it and either get a premium first party or third party accessory. Meta actually di the same thing awhile ago before they put in the fancy battery headstrap and it still cost way more than this.
>>747665746If I was sitting at a desk I'd probably plug it in to avoid this scenario but since Dota isn't even supported in this way it's a moot point.
Oh boy Epicsaars and Metasaars getting real uppity this morning.
need to sell my quest 3 before prices get funny
>>74766571615% price increase means a 600% price increase to the end consumer you retard
>Primary audience for valve is PC gamers>make standalone headset to try and target the gamerlet audience, competing with quest 3>256GB frame = $1059, $1159 for mandatory accessories>512GB quest 3 = $600Is valve stupid?
>>747665691Why would I entertain your delusional projections you had to come up with because your got caught being a lying faggot looking for attention?
>>747665856Yachts don't grow on trees you fucking chud.Valve NEEDS to do this.
>>747665204like what? Please tell me the other headsets that are:-widely available-have native or massive support for the most prominent PC game library (steam)-will just work with steam right out of the box without additional software-have wireless PC VR-have similar or better screens-have support for modular accessories/upgrades-will have the same level of hardware/software supportANDare within 25% of the price of the index. Yes, pimax and bigscreen exist - one of those doesnt exist in the US and every headset from them is nearly double the price and those headsets have their own issues or are missing some features. Will the frame be perfect? no. Will the frame be better than most of the "premium" on a spec for spec comparison? no. Will the frame beat them pretty handily on price? yes. Will the frame likely be the best overall/userfriendly/3rd party supported package? yes.
>>747665887meta has real employers and data brokers watching through your camera and taking screenshots thats why they are $600 cheaper, you have to use Facebook
ITT:>people who are excited about new hardware>trolls/antis>retards who have no idea how much shit costs
>>747666085>meta has real employers and data brokers watching through your camera and taking screenshotsWhy should I care? What, are they going to know that I own Alice figurine? Oh no
>>747665451quest 3 for less money or if I'm spending 1200 on a headset, I might as well spend 1600 and get a pimax crystal superI already have an index.
>>747665557They are apparently shipping their own dongle in the box especially for the Frame; I am kinda wondering why they didn't use that ultra high bandwidth technology but admittedly some anon said years ago that the 802.11AD style WiDi or whatever it was was horseshit even for the Index, so I don't know . >Most in the same room with their PCYeah I am pretty sure that's the case. After all they made a little tiny fucking USB dongle thing to connect to said PC, not a big stand alone wired antenna on a cable thing. They can't seriously be designing for multi-room use as a major feature and expect it to be the primary use over high bandwidth in the same (or nearby) room?
>>747665887>Is valve stupid?no, its just you. meta subsidizes the quest 3 because they're a data collection/sales company. they could give the quest away for even less with how much they make off selling off its users data. when shit is comparatively cheap or free, you are the product.
>>747666145But we know how much shit costs.We can compare how much it costs to the Quest 3.
>>747664687Typically I don't care too much about EULAs but when it's for a device covered in microphones and cameras CONSTANTLY scanning your house every time you use it... then I start to give a shit about privacy. >noooo sir we promise we won't notice you gooning in VR >we promise we won't record your conversations and turn them over to the government>we promise we won't sell your information to advertisers to take advantage of every single capitalist entry point you've given usbut the pile of 6/10 and 7/10 reviews on the frame is what's giving me pause.
>>747663435Index owner here. No. The trackpads are fucking retarded and their main use was having to hold them down and wait 5 seconds for it to take a shit and simulate a right click, 80% of the time of which it fucking fails to do.
>>747666085Yes, but valve is obviously trying to tap into the npc audience and compete with the quest 3. Npc's do NOT care about privacy. They certainly didn't make the frame with pc gamers in mind. I mean, look at the models they used in their hardware pages.The target audience for this is DINK normies, aged 25-35, that are looking for something to fill the growing hollow in their souls from being biologically defective (no reproducing).
>>747665856what fucking planet are you on??
>>747666228Like you know what you are talking about. Pimax Dream Air is better than the Crystal Super. Crystal Super is only better if you ONLY do cockpit VR.
I have a steam deck and a steam machine and I will not be getting this at that price
>>747666163They probably know more than that anon.
>>747665917>widely availableFound the retard. How's that lottery to buy a frame going for you?
>>747666230>They are apparently shipping their own dongleThat dongle is wifi 7 or 6e router. Instead of using other technology and fixing possible issues, they spent their time trying to solve remote streaming on limited bandwidth technology that was never intended for this. They are stupid.
>>747666520I think he was making a joke anon...
>>747666656jokes are supposed to make me laughtthis just makes me sad
>>747665902>Caught lying>when all I did was call you a troon and say the steam frame was overpriced
>>747666230just because you have high bandwidth doesnt also mean you have high speed. Additionally 99% users will be using this in the same room or area as their pc will be in to begin with. I actually kinda like that its on 6ghz as well because for people that live in apartments or other highly dense areas the frame will be less likely to have to deal with interference, which for how much data that thing will be transmitting for video alone would be incredibly noticeable. Wireless signals start getting really fucky really fast, and the more capable the signal the more regulation there is around it in the west.id imagine the edge case multi-room users would be able to setup some sort of mesh network type thing or use some sort of usb extender for the dongle if they had like a large playspace area in a different room than their computer.
>>747666145add>disappointed in price pointI was interested until this thing was a downgrade in many critical ways from the index, but is more expensive than an index.
>>747666145I'm not pissed about the price. I'm pissed about what they are offering. Their product is 5 years late to the market they are targeting. There is no innovation, it doesn't improve or replace current gen. It's just expensive, delayed side-grade.
Rather than releasing it at this shitty price, they should have released a frame with super low memory that's solely for PC streaming at Quest 3 price.
>>747666716>>when all I did was call you a troon and say the steam frame was overpriced>>a beefy computer stronger than the PS5 Pro and have money left overLmao keep lying
>>747666331>But we know how much shit costsno you clearly dont.>We can compare how much it costs to the Quest 3oh, the same quest 3 that meta has admitted to selling at a loss for the last couple years? Meta subsidizes their hardware because their actual product is their data collection and sales. They have been pretty open about the fact they lose billions of dollars on vr hardware sales and development, but that they use it to support their actual core business of data collection.Comparing something positiones as a viable product to something being sold at a loss is just as retarded as you are.
>>747666648Wifi7 apparently. What tech do you think they should have used? >>747666760So you think this is a good solution then with the dongle and WiFi7? I though the anon earlier was implying something different but obviously there are two different people taalking about this same issue
>>747666345>sent from my iphone 20I'm right there with you buddy, but the frame is so clearly aimed at people who don't give a shit about privacy, who will probably end up picking up a quest 3 for cheaper and more storage. I've already seen them in frame threads.
