>4 factions>NO CHAOS>NO NECRONS>NO NIDS>NO BIG BAD TO FIGHT AGAINST>TWO IMPERIUMS>ELDAR FOR SOME REASON>NO EVEN DARK ELDAR
How many factions did Total War: Warhammer launch? How many does the 3rd game have now? Any further questions? Fucking idiots.
>>747631691they'll obviously add more factions... for a price.
>No Armless yabba dabbadon factionOh noooo whatever shall we do without Chaos Chuds! being serious they should have close to enough for a faction since they already have demons from total war Warhammer fantasy and add some extra shit to make it 40kish
>>747631691anon, they will obviously add more faction later
How many factions did Street Fight 1 launch? How many does the 3rd game have now?Any further questions?Fucking idiots.
>two imperium factions>no chaosKilled all hype for me.
>>747631691Yeah, same as Total War: Warhammer, isn't it?Sucks with the drip feed and the DLC but what can you do
>>747631691>no chaosFucking good. Sick of the daddy issues faction barging into every goddamn thing in 40k and making it all about them.
I'm thinking they're based 1st edition chads
>>747632632I wouldn't mind Chaos but I recently realised I just don't like how they are portraid in the 40k video games. When I was reading lore books and the codexes, etc. I always imagined them to be a horrifying serious threat. But in the video games, the chaos characters are always coming across as so goofy and impossible to take seriously as a catastrophic threat. Maybe because of the unserious voice acting, I'm not sure. As much as I love Dawn of War 1, I blame it for this because they started it.
How long until we get the only faction that matters?
>>747631823Vampire Counts, Empire, Orks, Dwarves. Two legendary warriors each, no legendary heroes, shared tech tree concepts, 4x elements, and unit diversity was 1 third what it is now.People will say Chaos but Chaos you had to pre-order to have it on launch. Otherwise you paid for it. Even then, it had no Chaos God content, three legendary lords and the faction was half-baked until Total Warhammer 3.If it survives it could be the most complete depiction of the factions in the history of gaming. But you're going to have to pay/wait for all of it.
>>747631823Didn't it release with 5.5 factions?
>>7476328044+ years. Chaos Space Marines will come before them.
>>747631691It's called Total Sellout: DLChammer for a reason
I would be more concerned with the fact the overworld map looks laughably bad. If they are not fixing it in launch - it's over
Would 40k be better if space marines weren't their own faction and were instead just super units for the imperial guard?
>>747632804Tau are Nid food. They're getting squatted next edition.
>>747631691First total war game?
>>747631691Since Indians and pakistanis now make up a mass % of people under 30 in all western nations, you'll have indians in everything soon.
>>747632804If they're following the real world faction releases then they should be between the tyranid and necrons.Nids were technically a thing in 1st and 2nd edition, but the modern incarnation of nids wasn't really a thing until 3rd edition in 2001 when GW overhauled them to resemble the zerg after the massive success of starcraft in 1998.
>>747633059What's wrong with that?Huh? Huh? I can't hear you?Yeah, that's right, nothing.
>>747633007Tau are one of the more popular factions in the setting. Consistently in the top 10 most played.The only factions that are in any kind of realistic danger of being squatted are dark Eldar, imperial agents, and maybe gray knights.
>>747633294Tau models aren't selling and they're Bretonnia tier now.There's no purpose in keeping them around, especially now that the anime fad is over.
>>747631691>>NO BIG BAD TO FIGHT AGAINSTUuuhh, Space Marines and Imperial Guard?
>>747632829>>747632830The point is that they are obviously going to milk this shit dry and sell you all the factions as DLC, and you're going to like it and buy them all. If a forgotten and buried franchise like pre Age of Sigmar WHF could run for a decade by chuds bying all the faction DLCs, then an ultra popular franchise like 40k is going to print money using the same model, and they would be stupid not to do it.
>>747633386But without Chaos, there's no good faction. Only evil ones.
>>747633431Uuuh, Orks?
>>747633431>there's no good factionCorrect, 40k has no 'good' faction
>>747633457Aren't the eldar that fucked off and just ride dinosaurs a good faction?
>>747633443Orks are neutral. They're just glad to be here.>>747633457Chaos is objectively the good guy faction of the setting, it is the only one with a chance at ending the Imperium's tyrannical regime and instituting a just empire in its place.
>>747632830Chaos warriors weren't supposed to be playable, but CA gave into pressure and rush jobbed them into a playable state before launch and tossed them in as a free pre-order bonus. It's why they sucked ass to play until wh3.Norsca and bretonia had partial rosters at launch so they wouldn't be out of place empire clones in their respective regions.
>>747631691They were thinking: we'll make them pay for the rest.
>>7476316914/3 factions is standard for any new release RTS.Unless you want samey factions.
>>747633354>retard makes shit uplmao
>>747633415Should've did Total War Age of Sigmar. Might have even been able to salvage the franchise's brand like they did with Warhammer Fantasy.
>>747633152One look at south asia will tell you that having pakis and jeets is a bad thing. In fact its so bad that not even pakis and jeets can stand living with pakis and jeets.
>>747633668lol, it took you that long to come up with that nonsense?Stay mad.
>>747633457
>>747633494They are good in the sense that the Exodites only shoot people who come near their worlds rather than actively seeking out people to shoot. Also, there's, like, practically none of them. Just individual worlds here and there at the outskirts of the galaxy.
>>747633712I'm more of a LORD MASTER DEMON SLAUGHTER TURBO SPERM ANAL FISTING MASSACRE of the NIGHTMARE REALM warband
>>747633659>Should've did Total War Age of Sigmar.Nah. Like, even if I also think that could make for a good game, that would definitely hurt sales just because of how maligned the name of Age of Sigmar is by fans.
>>747633702>theres nothing wrong with "people" that eat and live in shit
>>747633494Craftworld Eldar and Tau are also good.This makes imperiumfags seethe though.
>>747633659>age of shitmarNo.
>>747633659>implying smegmar deserves to be saved
>>747633659As much as I want that, I don't think it would sell, probably not as much as Fantasy let alone 40kGoing from WH3 to another pseudo Fantasy is just too samey
I'm unironically hyped as it's been long enough since I've played a TW game that I've forgotten how boring it gets. Did have fun with 3K though.
>>747631691>no chaosBest decision they ever made. Let us all pray the reddit faction stays away for as long as humanly possible from this game.
>>747633152I'd take getting turned into a 60yo over being a pajeet. Hell, I'd even prefer being a woman or a nigger.
>GayosShieeet nigga what would they even do? Majority of them are just a bunch of squatting warbands that can't muster a real force. Iron Warriors and Word Bearers are the only REAL Legions left(in terms of strength).
>>747633959IMO, WH3 is in a pretty good state right now, there's a lot mods to enhance the experience too.
Reminder not to trust Creative Assembly not to launch the game broken as fucking hell with a ton of shit missing. If you buy this on launch you have zero pattern recognition.
A universe where Tau win is our only chance to have sex with alien women
>>747634067Well there's no pattern since they're also launching on console as well as doing an extensive beta
>>747634085If the Tau win then humans get put in the gas chambers, my guy.
>>747631691>sheboon front and center on the covershant be buying this cucked slop
>>747631691No Chaos is a good thing. Chaos is fucking cringe and lame and I'm so tired of it forced into every WH thing front and center even if it's about completely unrelated races.
>>747633930>west bad, jeetistan good saar>thats why I desperately want to move westDo pajeets really?
>>747634125>retards still think a non-canon ending to a video game is an actual thing tau do because tiktok told them so
>>747633712There's no true good guys in 40K and I don't know why that's such a hard pill to swallow. It's a shithole universe where the average person has a substantially lower quality of living standard than even the poorest man in the most improvished nation today. Entire worlds of people are de facto slaves and even the brilliant minds across an entire galaxy are clouded in medieval-tier mental obstacles and indoctrination. Hell most of them can't even fathom there's something better, which is why so many fall to Chaos because no matter how bad it is, you're still 'more free' than in the Imperium. Sometimes the retardation of humanity is to the point that basic science and logic we know is considered an arcane art or magic to them. It's so fucking bad their golden age is popularly seen as a dark age and the Imperium is only one shitty empire in a whole ocean of retards, zealots, and Lord Blood Cum of the Rape Demon Warband. Your other choices are a clone army of jewish thieves worshipping computers, literal 1984, or space elves that can see the future and somehow continue to job into extinction.
>no APCs>no troop transports at all>no aircraft>it's just amorphous blob vs amorphous blob while spells go offWow so unique and refreshing thank you CA I can't wait to consume product and wait for DLC product
>>747633986Anon, it'll be day one DLC.
>>747634213No, it's literally what makes sense and I have no idea what game you are talking about, you cock-sniffing faggot.
>>747631691fantasoikiddies will still buy it
You retards fall for the obvious thing CA can fix while the whole fucking game looks like a Rome 2 mod again and the only work went into the stupid planets and galaxy map, while they refuse to talk about space battles and any specifics, how big or what the maps truly encompass.All while battles still use the same Rome 1 (2004) systems and structure.Two line-battle armies shooting each other until one dies, Napoleon had better gameplay.Then we are still limited by 40 unit cards, no dynamics and innovation here.Then we have brain-dead AI again.Stupid mobile-game battle gimmicks, these were in Shogun 2 and really limited by fleets at the coast, so not even a new thing but completely overtuned and stupid here.CA was just a year ago heavily lambasted for their lazy and greedy practices to let the game core rot only to pump out more DLC and they learned nothing from it and just pump out more slop on the same rotten and boring core they used 22 years ago.And you children scream about some stupid skin for your Napoleon armies.Pathetic.
Despite being a Total War game, 40k doesn't feel like 40k in scaleThey're using a slightly scaled up tabletop unit count instead of lore numbersGuardsmen and regular Boyz should be like 200 dudes at the minimum with Stormtroopers around half as thatSpess Mehreens should be a full squad of 10, one sergeant and one LieutenantRegular aspect warriors like Guardians can be like 100-150 with rarer and stronger ones like Dark Reapers and Fire Dragons at 60-80
>>747633294Imperial Agents should really be retooled into either a new version of the old Witch Hunters book or basically Codex: Allies For Other Imperial Armies instead of something supposed to stand on its own.
>>747631691Eldar is the best faction though so why complain? Shame about the lack of Dark Eldar though.
What's really going to kill 40k TW is the campaign mechanics, which are effectively>your fleet goes to a random irrelevant system>you fight a bunch of battles on a bunch of planets>you then go to a new system to just do it againSisyphus campaign. They can dress it up as "there is only war" all they like, but the reality is there's no point to it and no actual winning the campaign. This is their "solution" to people always restarting the campaign in previous games, just make that the main gameplay loop.
>>747634382>basically Codex: Allies For Other Imperial Armies instead of something supposed to stand on its own.Yeah this one sounds better, on their own they're basically Imperial leftovers, just integrate them with other imperial armies.
>>74763436240k's "lore numbers" are mostly retarded and make no sense anyway, I wouldn't worry about it. Always remember that to GW lore is a tertiary thing behind models and rules. They outsource the details to bad authors.
>>747633956Definitely not as much as 40K though I'm certain 40K is going to be jank as fuck due to how different it's going to be from Total War's formula. They couldn't even get pike formations and two-handed units to work properly in Medieval 2 after making Rome.>>747633878>>747633927>>747633954I think we're past a lot of the grief that would've made it a non-starter before. AoS has enough spark in it now to make some compelling factions and mechanics as well as letting CA refine most of the Warhammer mechanics in a new engine with a different scale and gameplay style to help them transition to 40K. It'd also not have to be a huge product since, design-wise AOS factions are very differentiated and polished down to a specific concept that would play very well in a strategy game.Barring Stormcast which are a total goat fuck and need to have half their range squatted. or whole range.
>>747634413It sounds decent in theory and their reasoning behind it... But i really need to see how it plays out across hundreds of hoursIE is still pretty fun as an sandbox experience over hundred of hours on the same faction, hard to see the theatre style campaign being fun and fresh for that longEasy way to sell us 40k narrative campaigns though
>>747634413That unironically sounds way better than map painting. Let me level up my dudes over a series of adventures where I start in a corner and fight my way out.
>>747634362Guardsmen actually operate in squads, platoons, companies, etc just like modern militaries. It's just they're usually deployed in human wave tactics, so you see those 200 guardsmen as two companies worth.
40k won't work with TW. You'd be better off with smth like MoWaS.
>>747634216Because you present it in a way that suggest that none of them being good means they are similar. There are lvls of being a dickhead and some, like chaos or DE, are clearly several leagues worse than the Imperium.
>>747632804>only faction that matters>>has been repeated numerous times that one medium-large hive city has more humans than the entire tau empiresure thing bubs
>>747634289>tiktok tertiary gets upset when called outYes, it makes perfect sense that the faction that is all about unifying the galaxies sapient races under a single cohesive society would just start gassing all non tau members of it so that their covenant shatters and everyone is back at each others throats
>>747634362>They're using a slightly scaled up tabletop unit count instead of lore numbersDo you make this complaint about the tabletop game too, faggot? Of course you're not dealing with hundreds of thousands of dudes. It's not Epic. Not that you know what Epic is.
>>747634553It'd only be good if the sectors actually meant anything. But the reality is you're fighting for no reason, and can probably abandon a sector at any time. There won't even be a 'lose' condition.
>>747633152I would let in a million latinos over a single indian.
>>747631691>WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKINGJewish DLC packs that probably won't even include the whole army if the Warhammer fantasy games are anything to go by. Hope you're ready for duel packs or even triple packs of DLC each costing 9 bucks for armies you want.
>>747634559>Guardsmen actually operate in squads, platoons, companies, etc just like modern militaries.Doesn't matterGLORY FOR THE FIRST MAN TO DIE....CCCHAAAARRRGGEEEEE!!!
>>747634220The no troop transports is baffling as fuck if it's true and its hard to believe when so many maps are huge as fuck and the main emphasis on gameplay is taking terrain cover from the enemy before they get to use it against you.No aircraft makes sense. Since 8th edition GW has been neutering aircraft from the game and making them dogshit. Eventually they'll all be legend'ed.
>>747634669It does matter, because each of thosee squads, platoons, companies, etc have individual objectives that come into play when they break through the trench warfare and can operate properly.
>>747631691your posts sounds like you are a tertiary
>>747634362Anon... it's coming to console. You're lucky it's even a facsmile of Total War scale.
>>747634362Lore-accurate Eldar gameplay would be deploying about a hundred guys maximum, attacking one squad of Space Marines and then retreating after killing half of them (the sergeant was going to make captain 138 years later and do something bad to the craftworld's interests).
>>747634545It's still a non-starter and AoS still has no traction outside of its own bubble because people inherently dislike the concept of it.
>>747634825AOS is more popular than 40k at this point. It's GW's flagship.
>>747634794Lore-accurate gameplay would be tricking the orks into attacking the Imperium forces and then fucking off to film 1 Farseer 1 Crystal videos
>>747631691>They really expect me to believe that a sheboon imperial guard captain can last one second in 4 way brawl vs an Orc Warboss, Eldar Autarch, and a space marine with an iron haloImmersion ruined 0/10
>>747632804But Ork's are a launch faction.
>>747634862Orks are too smart to be tricked by Aeldari.
>>747634857>retard makes shit up
>its coming to consoleThe amount of zooms zooms making dogshit 40k phonk edits is gonna increase
>>747631691Eldar are og 40k race, and core to the setting. They precede Necrons and Chaos both.Only tasteless retards bitch and whine about the Eldar. They are just as iconic to 40k as space marines are.
>>747631691I hate nu-40k art so much, every time I see this artist he draws the weapons way too fucking thin
>>747631691Don't worry. Day one pre-order AI slop is going to solve it :)
>>747635007By this logic, Genestealer Cults are even MORE iconic than Eldar.
>>747634825Hardly, it's a flagship entity now and accounts for about 30% of GW's profits which is far more than Fantasy was doing when it was (poorly) managed by GW. It's not 40K but 40K is literally the DnD of tabletop gaming and everything lives in 40K's shadow.
>>747634794That sounds fun, especially if your forces are as fast and op as Eldar are supposed to be, and the webway allows you just to slink away after doing your keikaku doori shenanigans on the lesser races.
>>747634857AHAHAHAHA!
>>747635067Genestealer cults are part of the OG crew of 40k factions. The OG factions are the Imperium, Orks, Eldar, Tyranids and Genestealers (who were their own thing at that time). Squats were also a thing back then but part of the imperium sort of.
>>747635007From interviews it sounds like one of the main reasons they decided to include Eldar as a launch faction is because their campaign gameplay is completely different to everyone else's. IIRC they basically ignore map painting and they're all about completing missions in the vein of tipping things here and there to make sure the future plays out a certain way. Would be neat if some of their objectives involve making sure that certain factions hold certain territory, would be neat to have campaign where you play puppet master with the AI instead of just smashing everything.
>>747635193I hope they manage to do that justice. I would fucking love to just be the scheming fucker behind the scenes, intervening and meddling in the affairs of other factions/players to suit my own goals. Map painting also in general does not fit any eldar faction at all.I do wish that the craftworlds themselves are somehow represented in the game as well, as sort of drifting, massive warships you can slowly direct across the galaxy, that are essentially stealthed/hidden from other players/AI unless they get too close to them.
>>747631691God think of the DLC for this game. >Individual SM Chapters and their unique units/Legendary Lords>Individual CSM Legions and their unique units/Legendary Lords>IG Regiments >Eldar Craftworlds >Dark Eldar Factions>Ork factions >Necron dynasties and their Legendary Lords>Tau>Tyranids>VotaanThis game make Paradox games look like Charity
>>747633152Everything.
>>747634362Exactly. Minimum viable product again. And people will buy this crap because it has the name attached. And then mods won't even be able to fix it because the core of the whole game is rotten and useless.
>>747631691No Tau, no buy. It's that simple.
>>747631691>>WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING>goyhammer faggots are such worthless slavecattle we can release the game quarter finished and sell everything else as DLC and they'll buy it full price with tip. We can keep it up for 10 years at least!Something like that
>>747635323Personally, I think we're not going to get through the tabletop. 40K just has that curse where all vidya depictions just don't succeed at bringing in the full armory and playstyle for each faction.Even with Eldar coming in, I guarantee Craftworlds as they're described won't be a thing since that's far out of CA's scope to represent on the campaign.
>>747633659Nobody wants that
>>747632632See me online in 2029 and I'll shove my Night Lords up your ass.
>>747634669It becomes boring and stupid if this isn't a choice but the norm.
>>747634313Be silent and still, secondary child. The fans are speaking.
>>747634794Unironically fun asymmetric gameplay in a TW game. So it won't happen ever because CA can only make Rome 2 now and forever.
>>747633659Shitmar doesn't even have a fucking map or a singular world.
>>747635662And that's a good thing.
>>747631691Game made by people who actually aware about warhammer, unlike secondaries like youNo one will ever buy eldar dlc, so forcing them into core game makes sense.>bbbbut my feelings are importantNo, they are not
>>747635108It has zero penetration outside of its own paypiggy bubble which is why every attempt to expand its foothold has been a massive failure. AoS is as big as it'll ever be and the only thing keeping it alive at present is GW cucking the fantasy revival out of fear that everyone will abandon smegmar outside of the hard-core trannies.
>>747635567>The fans are speaking.I'm a fucking "fan" and I want to see it improve and get better, not being washed down with diarrhea to be consumed by mouthbreathers, subhuman disappointments and Reddit mods!
>>747635761You're not a fan. You're a chud secondary who probably backed that Space King kickstarter.
>>747631691>NO BIG BAD TO FIGHT AGAINSTIs already said that the big bag is Chaos akin to Warhammer Fantasy 1 were they exist but you can't control them, probably they will do a half assed shit like they did with Warhammer 1 and give you an incomplete Chaos so you can say that you have 5 factions instead of 4
>>747635810What are you even on about? Did you like what you saw with this "game" or not?
>>747634973implying a strategy game will ever be played on consoles, even harder a GRAND strategy game
>>747635915The game looks fantastic. You're the one being negative for attention.
>>747635470I mean, fantasy is getting damn close and that's a way less popular army.
Orks are worth it alone. Die mad.
>>747635939How? How does it look "fantastic"? What did they do good in terms of what makes a TW game interesting or what does it add to the franchise besides the skin? Or what did they meet in terms of the fantasy of the IP?
>>747632830Vampires were dlc
>>747636090Huge scale battles, entire planets, orbital bombardments.Everything is exactly as 40k should be.
>Total War but 40kLooks dogshit
>>747635760>AoS is as big as it'll ever be and the only thing keeping it alive at present is GW cucking the fantasy revival out of fear that everyone will abandon smegmar outside of the hard-core trannies.Fantasy suffers from having horrendously old models. The real problem overall is that Fantasy and AoS are weirdly separate. With entire armies that should be compatible being designed in a way to make them incompatible or the Old World equivalent being placed in rules limbo. As actual games fantasy and Aos appeal to very different people. That's not a insult to either.
>>747636121No? Empire, Dwarfs, Orcs and Vampires were in the base game. Chaos Warriors were pre-order DLC.
>>747631823ThisGames gonna be excellent in 10 years just like wh3
>>747636171Bretonnia was also half finished and in game but not playable.
>>747636090>How does it look "fantastic"?They removed the cancer that is the 3D map.Now they need to go back and do the same thing to every previous Total War game. Especially WH Total War.
>>747635470I'm pretty sure they've already said that the Craftworld itself isn't on the campaign map and is only accessible to the Eldar player via webway gates.
>>747633712There are bad guys are badder guys.
>>747636271Also Imperium as a whole is evil but your average soldier for the Imperium is mostly just a guy. Chaos Space Marines are twats all the way down.
>>747636090It's nice that the map is "the planet you're on", and it's represented as an actual spherical object you can rotate and seamlessly zoom out to a representation of the system you're in.It's also very nice that they're not pushing melee and focusing on gunfights, with a "just overwhelm the player visual with fired bullets" philosophy. I think it works very well.Spess Mahrines being represented as a few elites is also cool.
>>747636143>4000+/- people/xenos on one battlefield is 40k-scale battle.>Tanks are single-unit entitiesI admit if I had brain damage or would suck GW cock I also would assume this is what true 40k scale looks like. I mean, how big must the table be to fit all these models, am I right?>Orbital BombardmentsMobile-game gimmicks that were already done in Shogun 2.>Entire PlanetsThey only showed one part of it being used and all planets seemingly consist of one biome. It's like they didn't even try here.So what was it again that makes this "fantastic"?
>>747636334They're setting up Gulliman to fall bros... I don't like it one bit..
>>747633415Most preople only have 1 or 2 factions they actually like, nonody buys every dlc
>>747636397>I also would assume this is what true 40k scale looks likeIt's not Epic scale, yes.>So what was it again that makes this "fantastic"?No 3D map.
>>747636436Nobody buys every dlc at full price
>>747636402They won't remove him any time soon but he's obviously not going to succeed in reforming the Imperium and it's hilarious anybody think he would.
>>747631691>WHAT WERE THEY THINKINGheh. We will sell it as dlc in 3 months lol
DoW4 won
>>747632742Literally the opposite for me. I only care about chaos in Vidya because it isn't full girmderp
>>747635760There's literally no fear. GW revived fantasy with Old World and added Cathy. They literally just finished making NEW models for Chaos Warriors in the Warhammer Fantasy artstyle. There's even a massive dragon setpiece they just put out and brought out Battlemarch which is like the safest way to get newbies into the system. We're getting more support for Fantasy than we did in End Times and its selling well enough that GW clearly wants to expand it with a wave 2 for Cathy and bringing back some of the missing core armies. Fuck, I literally just played Old World last weekend with my shelved Chaos Warrior army and there was a FEC/Skaven AOS game going on to the table on my right.AoS is missing game representation out of shitty mobiles and one crappy rts. Give it support with quality secondary material in different mediums and it'll grow like any other game. It also went from a botched launch to a well-loved game in 2nd and 3rd edition and still has the best looking models in the GW range while being the second most played tabletop wargaming anywhere I've been.
>>747636363I'd admit that the planet map is nice but nothing extremely novel. We had whole RTS being played on one already. I think multiple at that: Planetary Annihilation and Terra Invicta.All the battles so far showed us heavy melee focus with Orks and the whole concept must allow Orks to reach melee to work so I would assume it is more this than anything else. I find the lackluster placed and formation-oriented "cover" places really cheap and lazy.They should have brought back deployable cover and buildings from Napoleon again.From my point of view CA official and unofficial stance on ranged focus scenarios like WW1/2 were always that their engine does not work with these squad-based and dynamic ranged settings and what I saw in the representation is that they still lack the tech but did not give a shit and pump out an IP-based Rome 2 mod to rake in the cash, no matter how shitty the product looks against the fantasy and setting. That we got the planet stuff alone is a miracle but maybe something "easy" to do, at least more easy than writing new battle AI and mechanics and break up the old and small scale of Rome 1 systems.And as we see they are right, there are people retarded enough to seemingly pay and reward them for doing so.
>>747636676Total War made this happen, and people are STILL doubting the influence of CA's hand in reviving Fantasy
>>747636441>not Epic scaleIt’s just an excuse to not deliver a better experience than the fucking tabletop rules. Why would I want a tabletop game in my videogame? How is this not completely cuckold behavior?>No 3D mapWhat does this even mean. The whole fucking Campaign map consist of 3D planets.
>>747634362I don't know if we're at the stage where we can have battles with millions of guardsman and have all shit like animations and kill syncs that people crave.
>>747636661Chaos and Marines just give off too much meathead vibes for me to like them
>>747636690well, I think you're stupid
>>747632804Space Marines are already in, dumdum.
>>747631691>>ELDAR FOR SOME REASONFuck do you mean "for some reason" you tourist, Eldar are the space-equivalent of Elves, every fucking game has humans/elves/orcs as the bread and butter factions.
>>747636807He's a larping historyfag that wants 30 identical factions with different colored spearmen
>>747631691Because all those things are DLC retard, all Warhammer Total Shit are the same, shit base plagued by DLC vomit.
>>747636856OK buddy, go play with your plastic then. Have fun as long as it lasts.
>>747636807>It’s just an excuse to not deliver a better experience than the fucking tabletop rulesArguably? I do think scale matters though. Something like Epic is even less of a 40K game than this game.>The whole fucking Campaign map consist of 3D planets.Which function like Shogun 1/Medieval 1 provinces rather than the cancer we've had since Rome 1. >>747636897Nah. What I want most of all is for the game to actually focus on battles and not on moving around armies to try to outmaneuver the opposite army.
>>747636773Is that any good? Black Library's been kinda lacking for a while
>>747636773It's bizarre as fuck to me because, back before TW, Fantasy was literally this dead IP that had been hideously managed by GW since you were buying models ten a box to make 40 man units out of a massive army that was composed of resin, metal, and shit that ugly as fuck compared to 40K sculpts at the time. Fucking nobody outside of the niche knew what Fantasy was outside of "40K but it's in Fantasy". Even like the games were mid as fuck with a mid-tier mmo that literally scammed people and was killed by EA before it could fix itself and an rts that was missing Steam Tanks for the Empire and half the shit that makes the factions cool while 40K had fucking Dawn of War. Now people act like Fantasy was always this well-known and popular when I used to have to leave my army shelved for years at a time when my local scene went into hibernation.
>>747637002*less of a Total War
>>747637039Vermintide also helped, good memes, skavensI also feel like the Gotrek & Felix books are popular enough that a lot of people got into it that way
>>747637039Fantasy was always well known, but it was also well known that the tabletop war game was shit and the setting was better enjoyed through books and the ttrpg.
>>747637039Fantasy suffered from being poorly supported as well. Bretonnia being the new poster boy is pretty hilarious (Granted, we're already back to Chaos Warriors being the beloved child) considering how insanely neglected they are. Fantasy right now is actually oddly affordable. Mostly because of how insanely herohammer it is. Your 600 point chaos lord on dragon smashfucker is going to make up half your army.
Nobody cares about Fantasy
>>747637039Yeah, which is why there were obviously no other Warhammer Fantasy games before Total Warhammer. Wait. Oh, no wait, there were a bunch. Like, 15 fucking games or some shit. Hmm. Weird.
>>747631691>Why yes, this cover could've totally been aesthetical neutral by just putting head protection on the weakest battle participant most in need of head protection, but then how would we tick that box in the most insufferable way possible?
>>747637306>Bro i totally played the MMO>or the Slayer diablo clone>or the RPG thing that's now only remembered by like 1 tzeentch warrior design on the 6th row of google inages>i akways knew about and loved the IP
>>747637002I disagree. Firstly, a videogame should fulfill the fantasy of the setting: massive, gigantic battles in the future. Not the tabletop rules and not the age-old small TW ruleset either.And even for TW scale, I find the amount and size of units disappointing and not even ramping up the models will fix this as it just becomes unwieldy, as their systems are still stuck in 2004 and nobody is admitting this is a bad fit for the setting. It’s just looked over by the devs and the fans alike, which is a massive disappointment.But the maps ARE 3D. What’s the point then?
>>747631691they’re thinking expansionpacks + dlc for the next 15 years
>>747631691Its a total war game. The rest of the factions will be released over $500 of DLC.
>>747631691That modern AAA gayming is just>crazy inflated budgets>huge studios that also outsource work>years and years of dev time>"here is the unoptimized barest minimum, that will be full price + microtransactions lol"should be studied. At least they made sure you can see the dreads of the guardsthem, because that is clearly important.
>>747634580More like>”fell for the imperium’s propaganda”-award
>>747638137>guardsthemMade me chuckle
>>747634362Guardians aren't Aspect Warriors and are more Elite than generic troopers of most of other factionsAspect Warriors come by default in 5 man squads, Marines in 10 man squads
Have they shown any titanic units yet?
>>747634362You can't have large scale battles with good performance with the level of detail they're going for when it comes to units. To have massive battles you'd have to have a much more simplistic 3D style or even go back to using 2D sprites, otherwise, it will simply not run on most setups, and particularly consoles.
>>747637306Oh you mean the ones I didn't mention? Were most of them even worth mentioning besides >>747637162?Bro you had Mark of Chaos instead of Dawn of War, such was the fate of Fantasy. Literally just mid-ass games until we got Vermintide and Total War.Like the last hit was Shadow of the Horned Rat but that shit is literally so old that modern Fantasy feels like a different universe. It's like pulling up Chaos Gate or Space Hulk to represent the tone and style of modern 40K
>>747638285Yes, I agree. They shouldn’t have high fidelity graphics.
>>747633152fuck off back to sewers, jeet
>>747638285>>747638381They just need to accept the facet that not everybody will have the same experience and throw in a game mode for lower end computers (Like my piece of shit).
>>747638381And I agree with that too, problem is, CA doesn't agree, and a lot, if not most of the potential customers, also do not agree, they would much rather have higher visual fidelity and much lower units sizes.
>>747637215Honestly even without hero hammer $90 gives you more Greatswords then you'll probably ever field. Same with Knights and State Troops giving you an absurd amount of models while GW charges you $90 for the new Ork transport that some people run multiples of in their list.
>>747633659>Age of Sigmarhell no. whole thing needs to canned
>>747638285This is a layered issue.Firstly we have face value, the battles and unit sizes are designed around the old Rome 1 system units of multiple duking it out in range and melee combat. The unit itself is the blob, the models are mostly visual hitboxes.This way you can control and depict seemingly large armies with ease.Then we have the technical sides. Building on a decade-old engine, making some updates to shaders and physics and calling it "new" is the first trick, then you realize you bottleneck any innovation with this, but fuck it, it's cheaper to just roll out another Rome 2 mod than making any true leaps in terms of battle and animations and battle AI. Then we have the targets. Fucking decade-old hardware in low-income/IQ houses needs to buy and run this to get the most out of the investments, thus we cannot make any leaps, we need to trudge and take two steps back to not hurt our shareholder values.These are just some of the reasons why this looks so shitty and small and boring.Pick one, I think one is enough to get fed up with this shitshow of a company, if you are over 90IQ.
>>747636891They don't really have any relevance and more importantly manpower to matter in any grand scale of 40k, Lets be honest here.
>>747638624>Fucking decade-old hardware in low-income/IQ housesThis is me but I just play modded Medieval 2 instead.
>>747638039>Firstly, a videogame should fulfill the fantasy of the setting: massive, gigantic battles in the future.It's Total War. Battles have always required you to assume shit is bigger than it actually is to be realistic. As long as it feels big enough, it's fine. > as their systems are still stuck in 2004 and nobody is admitting this is a bad fit for the setting.It's a questionable fit for the setting but I don't think the idea is inherently bad. Been recently playing Master and Command and It shows that pseudo Napoleonic warfare can actually be really fun. While Warhammer 40K is more world war 2 in nature (I'm pretty sure third edition was literally based on a world war 2 ruleset). The lack of focus on large scale tank battles means it generally just feels like a fairly Napoleonic experience in practice(just MUCH more agile and with way better weapons). The biggest issue with Total War overall (Besides bad AI, anyhow) is that battles are very one note. A "Battle" between armies should consist of multiple small key moments in a larger conflict that are generally more objective focused. Possibly with the large everybody vs everybody conflict being the final battle. That's not going to happen any time soon, if at all, but at least removing the bad way maneuvering armies are handled now (Free movement 3d map) is a very positive step in the right direction. I honestly hope the battles are large in size and generally involve more objective control. If that doesn't happen, it might at least be possible to mod. >But the maps ARE 3D. What’s the point then?No maneuvering armies. Risk style map good.
>>747638717>manpowerIsn't that on brand for elves? A tiny enclave living innawoods?
>>747637162>Gotrek & Felix booksI wish more people still knew how to read..
>>747638496>while GW charges you $90 for the new Ork transport that some people run multiples of in their list.The new Trukk literally costs more money than it costs points. I feel like the only reason people aren't more pissed is because 99% of Ork players kitbash most Trukk's
Here's your authentic 40k massive battle experience, bro. That'll be $80 plus tax plus tip plus DLC.
>>747638624>Fucking decade-old hardware in low-income/IQ houses needs to buy and run thisAnd that's a good thing. You should kneel to the biggest playerbase. Majority will never upgrade anyway.
>>747638717Eldar are a scalpel rather than a sword. They rely on key strikes to change the fate of a war as a whole. Like, they can literally see the future. In a ideal world Eldar show up, kill one guy, retreat, and then in the future that one guy ends up being the reason why a Imperial World decends into civil war.
>>747638838Warhammer Fantasy high elves are basically British trying to hold back the invading Canadian horde from conquering EUrope.
>>747638983well you just described why they have no place in total war-like game. make a xcom game for them
>>747631691>>747635450All strategy games are like this2 to 4 factions if they are meant to be meaningfully differentAlternatively dozens, but they have 1 unique unit at most and are otherwise identicalThe ONLY difference with TWW and TW40K is that developers do not abandon games anymore just to reinvent the wheel and start again from scratch. Which is a massive advantage of current game development
>>747638276We've seen Orks have a StompaI could see them eventually squeezing in some of the bigger titans but they would need some care in how they're approached to make it not ridiculous, I would not want to see generic imperial guard commander descending on my position with 19 warlord titans in his stack. Or have 19 units of boyz run up to a titan and poke it to death with knives
>>747638903What other 40k RTS has the same scale?
>>747635323And I'm buying all of it, again.
>>747638903>We are a spearhead, not an armyT.DoW2 announcer
>>747633659>Total War: Age of Sigmar>Campaign is in Ghur with Orruks on mawgruntas clashing into shield walls of Stormcast you teleport in with lighting strikes.>Launch race includes Khazalite Holds with Fyreslayer support>Skaven invade mid-campaign through gnaw holes >Hedonites of Slannesh show up with their full Age of Kinomar range in proper 4k>Transport mechanics receive experimentation before 40K.>When you play Flesheater Courts there's a 1-in-100 chance your models on both campaign and battle switch to Bretonnians for the turn.>OBR in general being kino>Cities of Sigmar lets you bring WarFantasy units from Dwarves, Empire, and Elves alongside Cogforts and gunlines.>You fight across the realms with the last battles occurring in Azyr defending or destroying Sigmar's realm.We were robbed brothers.
>>747639049They have a place in a Total War like game because the entire appeal of Eldar is doing key strikes to defeat the enemy without taking over the entire map. Total War has had saboteurs and assassins for a long time. Now they are actually a army and thus fun to use (Rather than random chance agents and thus boring).
>>747639112dow4
>>747639156you need to include health warning before this:reading causes physical painomfg
>>747639212Speaking, what are current odds it won't be total shit?
pirating every game since Rome 2 which I foolishly pre-ordered
>>747639156Age of Sigmar names are so fucking stupid they have to be a joke on the GW legal department by the writers
>>747638903Dog that's literally the tutorial mission for space marines
Why do so many AoS factions/models follow the XY-ZW naming convention anyway
Total War just doesn't work for a conflict on this type of scale. Even something like Wargame or SupCom would be better for that shit.
>>747639053So true fellow slop slurper, don't forget to preordere the season pass!
>>747638867The audiobooks are narrated by Jonathan Keeble, they're absolutely amazing, there's no excuse(audiobookbay exists, you need an account but it's GOOD)
>>747639494>Total War just doesn't work for a conflict on this type of scaleIt does because not every fight is a pitched battle, or at least not every fight SHOULD be a pitched battle.
>>747632804knowing GW and CA, they wont be added until tww40k 3
>>747639524It is true, objectively soWhich is why Dawn of War, War/Starcraft, Command and Conquer, Stronghold Legends, Mark of Chaos, Supreme Commander and many others always had from 2 to 4 factions at start.It is an objective truth that you cannot make more than that without sacrificing faction diversity
>The dev that nickles and dimes every fucking time does it againWoah, maybe stop buying from kikes like them then? Perhaps they will finally stop with the cancerous DLC shit
>>747633712>a whining faggot vs literally the coolest shit ever
>>747638801Which is based, i was referring to consoles.
>>747631691>4 factionsSame as Warhammer 1, which only had Empire, Greenskins, Dwarves and Vampires as playable races. Warriors of Chaos weren't added as playable factions until later.>No Necrons>No Nids>No Dark EldarSaved for DLC.>Eldar in base rosterNobody would buy them as DLC, ergo put them in the base roster to maximize exposure.
>>747638903Now imagine this times 10 and it still will look like this but more, utter dogshit and people seemingly gobble it up, just as CA intended.
>>747639853>Nobody would buy them as DLCSad but true.Nobody likes Eldar.
>>747639853Eldar are in a base roster because they have huge DLC potential actually. Necrons and Nids don't
>>747639902>Now imagine this times 10 Things like artillery exist.
>>747638908I was referring to consoles here. They hold everything back since 2011. Not that in particular TW had any issues with that, they created their own hell just like Bethesda did.
>>747639112DoW 1 and it looks better
>>747639964Necrons and Nids both have plenty of good "My guy" potenial.
I would like to have a "They are billions" 40k clone instead
>>747639964Since 40k is a tabletop game that GW actually supports I don't think anyone should be worried about any factions lacking DLC potential unless they completely remove a faction from the game
>>747640065Necrons and Nids are smaller, with less defined subfactions to sell as dlcs"Aeldari" are named as such and not "Asuryani" because they are not just Craftworlds factionThey are a mega faction of less evil space elves so Craftworlds + Harelquins + Corsairs + Ynnari + soon Exodites, with Craftworlds alone being very versatile since you can lean into Wraiths, Jetbikes, Aspect Warriors or Warlocks and FarseersThere will be a lot of Eldar dlcs, that's why they are in a base game. DLC factions in general do not get as many additional dlcs
I just buy models I like and paint them and have fun. 3d prints and resin re-molds too, fuck GW, though plastic is easier to work with for kitbashing. Not just warhammer. If I do play I play OnePageRules Grimdark Future Firefight with my buddy.Kitbashing is fun. Look at this Thousand Sons Murderwing, this unit does not exist cause Sons don't use Raptors- sorcerers can fly on their own and Rubricks are too dumb to use. But using leftover bits of Sorcerers box and Murderwing and a pair of wings of a random 3d printed angel lady I did this and had a lot of fun!Modeling is a lot more than slap-chopping your marines and going to LGS to play. Find what you like and have fun!
>>747640190>Da boyz are billuns
>>747632804Who the Tau? They're not getting added at all they're too irrelevant and the player base who buys Tau models is so small that at one point GW were having emergency meetings whether to finish the line on them altogether and that was late last year. Believe me or not couldn't give a fuck but I work for GW hq Nottingham .
>>747639964"DLC potential" is a total meme TWW was just making shit up wholesale
>>747639652Command and Conquer for the longest time only had two factions, C&C added in a third faction which were universally hated, the Scrin I hated those fuckers so much. Having more factions doesn't mean it's automatically more fun.
>>747633504They'll get to ilthat Imperium saving as soon as they are done skinning a worldful of slaves and roasting the babies.Thinking Chaos is good because CSM are contrarians is just wild.
>>747641031The major 40k factions have bigger rosters than WFB ones.
>>747641000>Believe me or not couldn't give a fuck but I work for GW hq Nottingham .Tell them they need to lean into 'alien auxillaries' and come up with a couple new ones instead of releasing increasingly retarded mobile suits. Expanding kroot was kino, and new vespid killteam is a thing of beauty. They got me back into model painting, i just saw the Hivestorm box and thought that I NEED to have it.
>>747641041You still have Dune series, which had 3 factions, made by the same studio.
>>747641031CA bases everything on codexes first and then forge world, white dwarf and other excerpts, but it's not completely made up I expect Ulthwe to have unique Black Guardians, since that's what CA does with shit like Drakenhof Templars
Chaos>Undivided DLC: Legendary Lords: Abaddon, PeterTurbo, Huron and Vashtorr>Khorne DLC nets you Angron, Kharn and Bloodpact>Slaanesh DLC: Fulgrim, Fabius Bile and Lucius>Tzeentch DLC: Magnus and Ahirman>Nurgle DLC: Mortarion and Typhus>
>>747631691The big 3 are SM, Orcs and Eldar. Imperium is included because they have a massive fanbase of neckbeards who will buy the game solely based on their inclusion.
>>747641164Based on what I can tell of GW, that anon might get fired for making a reasonable suggestion.
>>747639156>When you play Flesheater Courts there's a 1-in-100 chance your models on both campaign and battle switch to Bretonnians for the turn.NINTENDO
>>747641164>they need to lean into 'alien auxillaries'Nigger nobody cares about auxiliary shit. Not GW, not BL, not the TT players nor vidya players. It's all just muh mechas/battlesuits, that's it.
>>747640843Cool models but I can't get the impression they're in a dance number with that line up.>>747641031Like Vampire Coast and Norsca was made up mostly and is fucking great and some units like the big monsters were just referenced in ancient lore but for the main faction every DLC added missing units from the tabletop or supplements, even stupid shit like Stormfiends or the Skycutter. It's one of the laudable accomplishments for Warhammer 3 despite the jewish DLC almost every unit from the tabletop was brought into the game.
>>747641539I know that but he can try...Anyways I just need to find someone in my shithole of a country who can print me OPR Jackals to have my fix of funny ayylmaos.Check out my sick ass Broodlord
>>747634584It's basically a Starship Troopers thing. Only the Battlesuits are the Troopers and the Imperials are the bugs (just no hivemind). Tau operate in smaller units not to get tangled in red tape (but they sometimes get caught up in their own warfare doctrine), Imperium throws more people at the problem and hopes it unfucks itself.
>>747632804>only faction that mattersi am disgusted
>>747641710>dance numberThey are mid-landing\takeoff, i didn't change the original Murderwing legs. Very dynamic poses, I like it. There will be magic smoke and shit added to some of them too, i just didn't glue it on yet.Tried doing temperature sketch underpainting for skin on this Trench Crusade dude. Might have picked better colors for actual skin but the effect is noticeable.
>>747641000They sell bad because Tau gets poor rep in the media and has a very poor rep on the table with how non-interactive their army is and how you only really play three phases of the game instead of four.>>747641164It'd help but GW keeps fucking up these soup armies by trying to make you 'theme' around Kroot or Vespids or Battlesuits instead of treating it as a combined arms force where you're encouraged to have the Not-Covenant.
>>747641752If it wasn't for the Imperium, the Tau wouldn't exist as a species. Remind me who was it that broke the Tyranid Hive fleet that was invading the Damocles sector and Ultramar? Oh that's right it was the Ultrarmarines and not the Tau.
>>747641328Separate petey and vashtor into another DLC that has the daemon engines/obliterators-mutilators/discolord plus whatever else they have for the peteys release
>>747639112SupCommanderhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTEK91uEvPo
Will there be retards buying a Votann DLC or CA will just make them free content?
>>747642194Didn't know supreme commander was a 40k game.
>actually believing this larping discord tranny
>>747633294>Consistently in the top 10 most played.Can you imagine how embarrassing it would be if they weren't? There's not that many factions in 40k until you start getting into sub-factions; if the T'au were marketed and talked about as much as they are and still failed to make it into the top 10 that'd be ridiculous. In other words, this is not a grand achievement.
>>747631823>>747631691Cant wait to play the full game in 10 years
>>747642230Why wouldn't they buy it? They'll be actually more interesting here in game than in tabletop.
>>747638174The Imperium sometimes does good things. Chaos literally never does anything good.
>>747639328100%
>>747642460The desperate, degenerates and downtrodden seems to prefer chaos.
you triple niggers are always so fucking negativeI'M GONNA HAVE THE TIME OF MY LIFE
>>747634382>>747634472It is really fucking weird how we don't have a specialist faction that brings the Inquisition to the tabletop as the Imperium version of Chaos Demons.
>>747641981>defending your toy soldiers honor by using black library drivelGrim.
>>747642742>He doesn't like to engage his imagination and play alongYou're a fucking faggot dude.
>>747642742one might say dark even...
>>747642552That is because they are angry and want revenge. They wish to do bad things, usually indiscriminately. They don't just target the people or group that wronged them, chaos pretty much convinces them that all mortals are now prey for them to enact whatever sadistic fantasies they have upon them. Cruelty is an unintentional byproduct of the Imperium's flawed and broken system. Cruelty is the main purpose of chaos' "system".
>>747642821That's grim that is.
>>747642356They're consistently played more than "core" factions like the Eldar and orks.Space marines, nids, guard, and necrons are the only factions that consistently beat them out in terms of popularity on amd off the tabletop.
>>747631691Massive DLC potential.Especially with Chaos.
>>747631691It's themed around Armageddon you retard. It's the current big campaign.
>>747638039That's what you want but it's nothing that GW itself would allow because they want every IP to suck off Elite armies, namely the SM/CSM specifically but also Eldar to a point. If we had "lore scale" conflict you want playable, Space Marines would be busy being atomized by the sheer amount of firepower the average IG/Ork/Nids and even fucking Tau army sends downwind.
>>747638903Thin thing that pisses me off here is that bolters look like dinky sparks firing into Orks while their bullets are some unholy red fireballs. Bolters are supposed to shoot micro missiles at people and Orks fill their gun with half and half bullets, screws and metal shavings, why the fuck are projectile SFX not swapped?
>>747632804Based beyond belief.
>>747631691>jews workshop griftinf their paypig manchild fanbase yet againrinse and repeat. they released total war warhammer THREE FUCKING TIMES LMAO
>>747644450Dawn of War had a single campaign and 3 races playable in skirmish and cost $60. No one cried about and it was considered a masterpiece.
>>747644567Dawn of War was an RTS game that introduced new mechanics that didnt exist in other RTS games. Total War is a completely seperate line of games with a completely separate style of play. Nevermind the fact that Dawn of War was released in 2004 and since then, Warhammer released THREE TOTAL WAR GAMES re-branding itself each time LOL
>>747641000If true, tell your bosses if the writers stop sucking off SM so they get 10 books for every one Xeno (inevitably Eldar) maybe people would be more interested in them. Also Tau are supposed to be a Federation so give them more auxiliaries. Like maybe them rules for Votann troops to screen for the ranged units that don't drop dead to a stiff wind like the Carnivores.
>>747644676In the span of these three games they rewrote the renderer two times. They said there will be 3 games before even the first came out so it's on you that you didn't wait.
>>747641648That's the because the average "Warhammer 40k fan" is a lobotomite who gets their all their lore from Tik Tok, Bricky if they are feeling ambitious, thinks he's based and redpilled and will never play the game in spite of larping as an SM player.
>>747644842You will never damage control your way out of the fact that Warhammer was released 3 times as a Total War game, and now they are setting up for the exact same cash grab model for 40k. 40k as a Total War game is also complete nonsense and the gameplay they've already released looks objectively terrible.
>>747644727 Their focus currently is on the Necrons they are really pleased with how popular theyve become recently and want to push more Necron shit out
>>747644676Nothing in DoW was new or unique to the RTS genre
>>747631691CSM will be the 5th faction and the preorder bonus
>>747644930>and now they are setting up for the exact same cash grab model for 40kNope they publicly admitted that making 3 games complicated the development too much and they are releasing only one 40k game but with support for at least 10 years. You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Go back to Med2 or whatever shit you crawled from.
>>747644934Necrons are only popular because cthans are busted and there's lots of power gamers that want the easy wins
>>747641981If we consider the books anything but sucking off Space Marines, the Farsight Enclaves killed an entire Splinter Fleet with a virus weapon, it's not that hard to do when your army is not a bunch of indoctrinated manchildren who only know how to kill, retard-kun.
>>747645051Damage controlling doesn't interest me. Warhammer trash got grifted, scammed, and paypigged for 3 game reskins and are already getting paypigged for what looks to be one of the worst games under a TW label ever released. What kind of retard would think a system based on pitched battles would work for futurustic science fiction war?
>>747645154Unironic mental illness. Go back to Med2 schiszo.
>>747645103You are here.
>>747644934Yeah I can totally see it considering ||even Papa Smurf had to run away with the help from the Elder when he tried to fuck with Szarekh||
>>747631691Luv me 'CronsLuv me 'haosLuv me EmprahSimple as
>>747631691I suspect they where thinking they could sell us DLC for the next 10years
>>747632804Imagine being such a faggot you root for the blueberrys.Sad.
>>747645275You aren't able to make any counter-point because thre game looks like shit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnW7GivCaewIt looks fucking awful.
>>747645381Yeah. What a dumb idea that is haha
>>747645418Bro, you are sick seeks help. People that love Fantasy love the Total War Warhammer games. You literally have no ground to stand on except seething your historic trash is irrelevant.
>>747631691>NO BIG BAD TO FIGHT AGAINSTThat's orks>TWO IMPERIUMSReasonable complaint>ELDAR FOR SOME REASONEldar have been a starter choice in every DoW game
>>747634382>Witch Hunterslfmao that name will never slide today due to being too problematic
>>747645535It won't be forever only 4 factions either I've no doubt a couple months after the game launches they'll release their roadmap for Chaos to be included and then go from there.
>>747645482Historyfags don't actually play total war. Every game CA made for them flopped because they refuse to buy anything that isn't their imaginary version of what med2 was.
>>747631691I miss the days when games were done on release.It'll be good in 5 years and 200+ dollars later.
Needs to separate infantry, support, tanks, other vehicles, flyers in tabsTo prevent doomstacking superheavies make them cost like 10 units worth' in a tab, since there are 40 people can only bring 4All need to be 40 unit tabs with 40 extra support ready to be called downAlso double or quadruple current unit sizes for infantry and light vehicles like SentinelsNo transports are retarded, Rhinos and Chimeras are an integral part of any army
>>747645535DoW4 doesn't have Eldar
>>747645282This just makes the Ultramarines performance Vs the Kids even more embarrassing not gonna lie. And as small as the Tau empire is, Imperium still can't get their shit together to deal with them. SM are quite literally the 3rd biggest losers in the setting, significantly after Custodians (actual joke by the writers) and right after Dark Eldar, carried by their extremely good aesthetics.
>>747645618Yeah that too, seeing how Total Warhammer has been doing they are gonna release every faction and then Lost&Damned alongside some third wildcard at some pointCA will milk the SHIT out of it
>>747631823It launched with 4 base factions with 2 others (Norsca and Bretonnia) being launch DLC
>>747645482NTA but this looks like AI is giga retarded, combat is braindead unit moshpit with 0 tactics and spells do 80% of the work
>>747645757Norsca was literally the last race pack added to wh1 and bretonia was nonplayable and had a bare bones roster to keep it from being a complete empire clone at launch.
>>747645679Total War isn't designed to be played like that, just play Wargame or any other contemporary era setting RTS if you want modern warfare. Total War is designed for pitched, decisive battles which is why the gameplay for 40k looks so fucking abysmal.
>>747646228>Total War isn't designedYou are a special kind of retard. TW4k dosen't run on the old TW engines. It's custom made to simulate all the types of armor and bullet deflection of a modern combat game. This is the shitty 1-100 armor range of the old historic trash.
>>747634580Im 40k, Being a space murder rapist is more fun than being an imperium slave, how is that so hard to understand?
>>747631823It bother’s me how the majority don’t already know this. Feels like mass psychosis
>>747645673RTS games were always getting expansions tho
>>747646347No one is saying CSM are bad because they are murderous rapist slavers, it's because they are that while also claiming to be the good guys in between disemboweling slaves for shits and giggles. Like Abbadon talking about their inherent nobility while serving up adrenochrome to the stupid shitters sucking up to him.
>>747645712Trvke>YEAH! FUCK THOSE COMMIE BLUEBERRIES! In fact, we should do it right now! We should organize a campaign—let's send the Raven Guard and the White Scars to wipe these savages out right now!>Hell, six more chapters! And five Guard regiments! A company of Stormtroopers! Six battleships/cruisers, and a titan legion! That'll show those blueberry shits! >We'll call it... some sort of offensive? No, an attack. A venture. A crusade even! With millions of onlookers ready to write about the glory of the inevitable Imperium victory! It'll be awesome! We'll wipe the Tau out with the full might of humanity!>...>OH GOD THEY'RE SHOOTING US HEEEEEEEEEELP SEND REINFORCEMENTS>THEIR GUNS ARE BETTER THAN OURS WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS XENOS BULLSHIT?!!!
>>747635810>Seething at space kingOh it's a GW shill. I have more modules more models more money and more time invested into 40k than you. TW fucking sucks. At least we are getting DoW at the same time
>>747648857>tiktok tertiary tries hard to convince random people 5hat they're totally an OGlmao
>>747639087A Stompa is a superheavy.
>>747648947>TiktokIs space king big on tiktok? I figured the format wouldn't work for it. You seem to know more about it than me so I will differ to your opinion
>>747639087>Or have 19 units of boyz run up to a titan and poke it to death with knivesBut that's kino
