>>747645464
>Most of you miss the point, the thing is: most classic FF games have shit gameplay
As do newer ones
>except for X
Hilariously that you list the last FF that had turn based combat

Stopped reading your shit thread there

>>747645639
>Hilariously that you list the last FF that had turn based combat
it's the only that have a real turn-base mechanic
FF1-9 have shit gameplay, sorry anon

>>747645464
>or even like the Trails remake
I just finished this remake and no, this combat is not good at all. Anyone that isnt' just a blind retard would agree. I played the original as well.
I played this game on hard and the game is VERY broken.
On paper, with crafts and quartz (materia system basically), the game offers enough customization, and in the original i find it really good. But the game suffers from severe overtune in EVERYTHING. EVERY action you do gives you multiple shit, plus multiple mechanics that essentially do the same thing and overlap between each other.

Boot up FF7R. Play it without moving in battle. Same shit.

>>747646043
still better than mashing circle
>>747646060
I wonder how many purists actually played it like that

>>747646394
>still better than mashing circle
It is, in fact, not better. Loewe, the hardest boss in the game, couldnt even move because the combo system, stun, Clock EX and other stuff is super broken and not strategic. Why does Clock EX have 0 delay and gives quick to allies, giving you room to buff everyone immediately? why are enemies so easy to stun through combo attacks and s-crafts? Why is almost everything AOE now, dilluting the balance and complexity of the game?

>>747646561
You're just pointing out balance issues, which has nothing to do with whether a mechanic is fun or not.
You can exploit the mechanics in literally every FF game to cheese bosses and superbosses too.
At least in Trails you are actually playing the game, not just holding down a button

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>>747646854
>You're just pointing out balance issues, which has nothing to do with whether a mechanic is fun or not.
Normally you would be right, but in this case it does matter, because it makes the battles not fun.
When i played the demo some time ago, i was baffled at the amount of mechanics introduced since the original. Estelle and Joshua crafts did multiple things at the same time (magic as well), but the enemy didnt seem to be buffed to match that as well. The combo attacks (dont really remember the name) is so easy to use and get the bars for that there's really NO reason to not use it. It is just free attacks.

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>>747645464
I think we can all agree at this point that no one ever needs another Final Fantasy VII game. No one even needs Revelation to happen. If it failed to release, the world, even the most diehard fans, would secretly be okay with it.

But the reality we live in is that Square Enix had already told us that they're going to be releasing Final Fantasy VII forever. I can't imagine that even a single fan would support this, but they seem to do so just so that they can try to win arguments on the internet.

>>747646043
>>747646561
>>747647121
Nightmare is the bare minimum you should play in every Trails game since like Cold Steel 2. Hard Mode is functionally Normal and is completely braindead.

>>747646060
You need to dodge and be constantly active to fill up your ATB gauge.

>>747645464
ATB isn't turn based, sorry.
"Turns" aren't when everything pauses for someone to do their attack animation.

>>747645464
>vanilla turn-based hasn't aged well
It has because it is a system that is essentially perfect. You don't need to reinvent the wheel, just add whatever gimmick you want to it.
People praise the remakes combat system as "amazing" when it is pretty much the same button mashing as turn-based and just as fucking easy.
>t. Haven't lost a fight except for unnerfed titan because you don't have anything at that point
Everything after that has been braindead easy.

>>747647635
That's just bad design. Games dont have to be hard to be fun.

>>747647781
>claims vanilla aged well and just need to add a gimmick
sir that's not vanilla gameplay

>>747647817
Yes, but on the same hand, if enemies are too weak relative to the party, then none of the mechanics matter because they all fold to a light sneeze.
Nightmare is likely the intended difficulty and everything below that are varying degrees of easy mode. Just like with Etrian Odyssey.
>>747647781
>Jobbing to Titan compared to any other boss
Tifa easily smokes him because he has no gimmick or anything that makes it awkward for her to build stagger.

>>747647963
What is even the point of making that distinction? Very, very few "vanilla" systems have aged well because they were limited by both design and hardware. Or do you think vanilla action based has aged well? When you only had two attacks, light and heavy and no combos.
When speaking of genres you aren't arbitrarily limiting yourself to the first conception of them, because why would you?

>>747648175
Unnerfed Titan was simply a chore because you did like 5 damage per attack and he did 700. Couple that with very little options in materia and you get a slog of a fight that isn't hard as much as it is slow.

>>747648175
>Yes, but on the same hand, if enemies are too weak relative to the party, then none of the mechanics matter because they all fold to a light sneeze.
Ok, fair, but the problem is that most mechanics you dont sacrifice everything by using it.
The combo system, for example, you dont sacrifice your turn if you are casting magic. The bars needed to use fill pretty quick so you are always available to use them. Consider also that the enemies have their HP inflated to counteract this so you CANNOT not use the combo attacks, otherwise the battles are slogs.
S-crafts, for example, if you are casting an spell and decide to use s-craft, you cancel your magic. Combo attacks don't.

For SC (the demo) it seems that they adressed some of this since now the auto-stun attacks for first strike before tactical combat now cost 2 bars and not 1, it is not as simple. But still, the game still revolves on spamming combo attacks.
Alenace buff no longer ups her attack but reduces her defense, now it only buffs.

>>747648181
FF7 is vanilla turn-base that aged poorly

>>747648390
ATB, vanilla? Do you even play rpg?

>>747645464
> I dont like the genre that means it plays bad
no you just dont like actual FF, these new action oriented ones play like shit because SE dont understand what makes a good action game. At best these 7R games are somehow worse than the mediocre Tales games like Arise and Zestiria when it comes to gameplay.

>>747648449
atb is just a retard time they put to act like it's something, it still vanilla

>>747648313
>Pressure
>Build stagger
>Synergy Combo with the other two roughly around when you're about to trigger the state
>Unbridled > Omnistrike on repeat until he goes down
He went two in like two stagger phases. Way easier than every other full power summon if you attempt to take them on right away because there's no annoying dps check mechanic or Odin's boredom meter.

>>747645464
The new combat system is way more interesting and fun to play. Even with an updated ATB/Turn based system with interesting quirks like E33 had. The game would've been a massive flop. However, I think if the devs didn't go too far off the rails (TIME GHOOOOSTS) and actually stayed a little more faithful to the story with some more in depth lore for the universe it would be fine. I don't know why if they wanted a route to "save" Aerith or show off Zack. Why they couldn't have just ran timelines in parallel. Make a choice in this timeline, oh no she dies, make a choice over here, look she's saved. It's not that hard.

>>747648698
>The new combat system is way more interesting and fun to play.
sure if you've never touched another action game ever, its mediocre at best and only praised by idiots who change for the sake of change is good.

>>747648475
>somehow classic turn-one-button-slog is better because so
just stop

>>747648617
You can just say you didnt play the game, its only 30 years old.

>>747648890
> mindless button mashing trash is somehow good
no anon, these games are a different genre and comparing them to turn based games is retarded now. These new action games are shit compared to other action rpgs by a wide margin.

>>747648792
NTA, i've played many action games before. FF7R is very up there, together with Nioh 2. One of the few (if no the only one) that actually manage to properly create an engaging party based ARPG. Who are you trying to fool?

I don't want FF7R to be turn-based. I already played a turn-based Final Fantasy VII, it's called Final Fantasy VII. I like it a lot and I go back to play it again once every five years or so, but I don't need a remake just to play the same game.

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So why did E33 win GOTY and actually look like an FF game compared to FF16?

>Why did industry shill game for people that like JRPGs but havent actually played them win shill awards
I thought you'd learn that those awards are irrelevant ages ago but anything to shit on Square Enix right?

>>747647578
can't wait to beat sephiroth's ass a third time
they kylo ren'd the shit out of him.

>>747649410
E33 and FF has nothing alike except for X turn bar.
If they made 7R E33 like it would be great

>>747649410
is square made clair obscur you would hate it too

>>747648987
FF boomers act like ATB is the big thing, instead it's just a timer set to attack lol

>>747647817
Yes they do retard, if there is no friction then there is no game. The level of difficulty required for different people might vary, but if you are an adult man browsing /v/ then you should be playing every game on the hardest difficulty available.

>>747649696
The E33 characters looked like SeeD or something. It's poetic when a FF-like game that looks more like FF than the actual current FF game made by a FF8 fan beats the actual FF7R and FF16.

>>747649764
>were failing as a company because of the magical blood curse
as expected from jap boomer execs, kek

>>747649857
>The E33 characters looked like SeeD or something. It's poetic when a FF-like game that looks more like FF than the actual current FF
There's no actual character design or color theory in E33.

>>747649857
What are you on? We are talking about nuances of gameplay here.
>muh a guy like sephiroth appears in E33
...

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>>747649639
This. The awards mean nothing when we lose, but they mean everything when we win.

The Persona 6 trailer that shows nothing has more views than the FF7R part 3 trailer.

Turn based chads win again.

>>747650021
Yeah, because FF7r was already seen in summer games. Meanwhile Xbox, which nobody cares about, shows persona 6 and everybody is surprised, going to see the trailer on youtube.

>>747649987
>Implying giving Metafag Reniggers the award was normal
The game was fucking dogshit for faggots, trannies and niggers

>>747650021
nobody is saying that 7 remake would be bad with persona gameplay
get you schizo out

>>747649923
Oh don't even say that when FF16 exists and is just a ripoff of GoT with forgettable designs and loads of particle effects.

>>747645464
>i want to play kingdom hearts, but i'm afraid my dad will come at the worst moment

>>747650101
>Oh don't even say that when FF16 exists
Clive, Cid, Jill, and Joshua have very recognizable colors and design.

The 7R system sucks because it tries to be an action game like DMC or Bayo but also wants to be a traditional turn based JRPG and it never satisfies either. Why even give me control of characters if the attacks are largely non avoidable

>>747646060

>gets nuked by one of the myriad “move, bitch” attacks that show up by the end of the first bombing

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>>747650091
>The game was fucking dogshit for faggots, trannies and niggers
That literally describes Rebirth.

zoomgroids think that FAST and FLASHY bing bing wahoo and DODGING/PARRYING are the only way to make good combat even though most games which went down that route are utterly braindead and the feeling of having character progression is largely gone

>>747645464
>the gameplay boils down to mashing circle to attack, especially in FF7
retard

>>747648698
>The game would've been a massive flop.
No, not really, turn based games just sell more than action RPGs, specially in japan.
But you would personally like it less.

Is ther a bigger group of crybabies than turn based fags? Like SE has plenty of series that are straight up turn based, they even have a new turn based game named final fantasy, why are you still bitching about this one specific remake?

>>747649026
Way more fun and interesting to play than the ATB/turn based system.
Maybe not way more fun than some other action games I've played (Relink/Monster Hunter/Dragons Dogma). But still in the median of good action combat. Each character has their own gimmick, skills and materia used to customize play style. I prefer more of a Monster Hunter without lock-on, or Dragon's Dogma kind of action combat but FF7R is a fine medium between that and boring souls combat, or janky tales combat.

>>747650101
NTA, but as it pertains to this conversation, XVI's design philosophy is extremely cohesive. The reason they were told to watch GoT is so that they could study how everything in a scene looked like it "fit" there. You personally might think that the "medieval fantasy" design style is "forgettable", but it is nevertheless very purposefully designed and cohesive, and does indeed have color theory behind it like anon is suggesting.

Meanwhile, E33 is almost entirely stock assets and there's no character design besides "everyone wears the same uniform"

>>747650149
Nah. They couldn't even give them different weapons. Or let you control them...you know, like the rest of the FF games?

Even DMC5 the game it was based on had 3 different characters.

>>747648698
>Even with an updated ATB/Turn based system with interesting quirks like E33 had. The game would've been a massive flop
Not at all. It would have been a hit.
But then what is there to look forward to it? what's the point of art and design? going that route wouldnt have given us FF7r ideas and philosophy.

>>747645464
Turn based combat can be good, SE is just horrible at it.

>>747650352
>Is ther a bigger group of crybabies than turn based fags? Like SE has plenty of series that are straight up turn based
Pic related
>why are you still bitching about this one specific remake?
They bitch about every Final Fantasy that isn't turn-based. It's not unique to Remake. To them, JRPGs stopped existing because Final Fantasy stopped being turn-based. They believe they have been in a JRPG drought for the past 20-25 years despite that not being true in the slightest. These people don't play video games, they are just loyal to specific brands or specific IPs, and Final Fantasy (or Final Fantasy VII) happen to be one of the brands/IPs they are loyal to.

>>747650379
>Relink/Monster Hunter/Dragons Dogma
Dunno about monster hunter, but
>relink
you cant change characters mid-battle and it is just very YS-like.
>Dragon's dogma
probably one of my biggest disappointments. I tried it to prepare for 2 and the only thing i liked was that i could grab on the chimera and climb it.

What I hate about most action combat games is that there isn't any sense of attrition and no logistics/strategy element. Every fight is resolved in its own bubble, usually in the same way and you're fully refreshed for the next one to do the same thing again. Being able to just avoid most damage and stunlock enemies removes the sense of looming defeat if you overextend and also devalues recovery skills/items. It also makes team and character building very bland and you hardly feel that you're getting stronger.

>>747650320
Yes, we're speaking in English.
Unless you think China would've been a massive supporter of FF7R if it was a turn based game, we're still talking about a primary focus towards a western market. Which has moved away from, and doesn't necessarily enjoy turn based combat unless it's something extraordinary like BG3 or E33.
Bringing it back to the point a full 1:1 remake of FF7 would have done worse than FF7R at least in the west for sure. Even with upgraded graphics.

>>747645464
>classic FF games
>X and XIII
stopped reading right here. shit thread, OP.

>>747650161
>it tries to be an action game like DMC
that's FF16

>>747650235
>>747647079

>>747650161
turn based player be like
>anything remotely action game? juggling slop like DMC and bayonneta of course!

>>747648651
Unsure how you could have found the other full power summons harder. Alexander didn't even get to do his meme attack because he kept animation cancelling himself.

I bought Resonance after playing the demo. I also enjoyed the gameplay in VI-XII. Tactics was peak. XIII-XVI were garbage.

>>747650769
>BRAAAAP
they are classic you fucking old ass boomer

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>>747648698
>Even with an updated ATB/Turn based system with interesting quirks like E33 had. The game would've been a massive flop.
Nah. When people asked for a VII Remake, they were asking for a VII Remake. They weren't asking for a "will-they-wont-they" reimagining/sequel of VII as a Kingdom Hearts action game with time jannies and inconsequential, minor changes that never amount to anything but that seem only to exist to piss off so-called "1:1 purists". Literally all anyone wanted was a Remake of VII, exactly, but with updated lego people. I think the graphics of Ever Crisis are a perfect representation of what people were actually asking for when they spent 20 years begging for a VII Remake.

>However, I think if the devs didn't go too far off the rails (TIME GHOOOOSTS) and actually stayed a little more faithful to the story with some more in depth lore for the universe it would be fine.
Yeah, I agree with this. They either should have gone with a faithful 1:1 Remake, or they should have gone batshit crazy like Evangelion Rebuild and made it COMPLETELY different where it's not even really the same game anymore. This weird pussyfoot shit that VIIR actually is, is the worst of both worlds. It's not the same but it's not different either. No one is happy. No one asked for this. It doesn't appeal to anyone. And worst of all, it's 3 fucking games instead of 1.

>>747648390
So? Make a non-vanilla turn-based game then rather than turn it into action slop that looks flashier but is about as braindead.

>>747651080
>make a remake that's not 1:1
that's the point of the thread retard

>>747651080
You don't understand the primate brain of zoomers.
>big, flashy and fast
neuron activation
>slower, methodical, sensible
monke sleep

That's all there's to it. It has nothing to do with the actual complexity or difficulty.

>>747650852
yes, retard

>the graphics of Ever Crisis are a perfect representation of what people were actually asking for when they spent 20 years begging for a VII Remake
Hahahaha holy shit lol

I kinda want to play a jrpg but Fire Emblem and Trails both look mid as fuck. Are the Etrian Odyssey Switch versions any good?

>>747651368
>le game is retard
agree

>>747650795
Both things can be true.
>>747650892
>purposefully misunderstanding the point
twitterfags are worse than redditors

>>747651276
>boomers believe slow games are better because their reaction is gone and they're slowly vegetating

>>747645464
SE just simplified the combat and made it flashy to attract normies. What ATB was trying to accomplish was a dynamic combat system that could have some degree of strategy. XII´s combat seems to be the more organic evolution of what the golden age FFs were trying to do and someone inside that shithole understands that and has kept refining it over the years. Good thing they did it too because even though SE decided to go the KH2 route back then that approach never really payed off. They never managed to replicate its success.

As for the narrative experience that may have been true once but it´s not been truth for a long time now. VIIR and XIII are both absolutely fucked up in that department. XV is weak as fuck and XVI, while better, and even somewhat in line with Tactics is pretty bloated and full of, for lack of a better word, boring uninteresting stuff.

>>747650992
Only thing I disagree with here is I think that people were asking for a modernized version of FF7. Not necessarily a 1:1, but definitely not the older turn based combat.
I know a remake of the game is what people were asking for, but I think that was mainly in terms of the universe and story, not gameplay.

>>747651561
>>purposefully misunderstanding the point
No, i'm not.
You clearly have NO idea how action games work, not every action game is about juggling or constant real time input like ninja gaiden, bayonneta or DMC.
FF7r, in not a single way, is close to DMC. You dont juggle, you dont perfect dodge, you dont perfect block. You dont change "battle styles" in the middle of a combo, you dont score after fights.

>>747650663
I think that even in the US turn based is still more popular than action.
Pokemon and it's consequences etc etc etc..

>>747646060
doesn't the combat give you some sort of option to play it with only giving commands when you first start the game?

>>747651602
>no arguments
fr fr

>>747651647
>No, i'm not.
Yeah, you are. I said tries to be and follow up with fails to do so.

>>747651795
>he has no arguments to my no arguments

>>747651848
>I said tries to be and follow up with fails to do so.
That's the problem. It doesnt try to be at all.

Im playing the Resonance demo, seems decent but Im still not sure if its worth it day 1

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>>747651390
Apparently you disagree but you're too much of a brown shitposting coward to actually reply to me, because you have no argument. Ever Crisis even has "chibis" on the overworld while having full models in battle, just like the original game, but with updated graphics. This is what people were asking for when they asked for a VII Remake.

>Note: because you're clearly brown, I must add this for (You) - I'm not supporting the Ever Crisis gacha game. I'm talking only about its graphics (i.e. its models and stylization), I'm not talking about it as a gacha or anything like that.

>>747651623
>Only thing I disagree with here is I think that people were asking for a modernized version of FF7. Not necessarily a 1:1, but definitely not the older turn based combat.
No, people literally just wanted a Remake of Final Fantasy VII, but with update graphics so that it could become the game they always thought it was as a kid. I'm almost 40. You sound like you're probably not even 30. I agree that it didn't need to be a 1:1, but this time janny shit that amounts to nothing was the wrong choice. It should have been 1:1 or it should have been Evangelion Rebuild. It should have been exactly the same (with some expanded lore or something), or it should have been balls-to-the-wall completely different. Not "I'm not touching you!" bullshit where it's not the same and it's not different.

I should probably also note for you that I personally do not mind it being an action game. I just don't think that's what anyone wanted. I think most people are fine with it being an action game, but you're necessarily going to lose some fans who don't like action games, and I really don't think you're gaining many fans in the transition.

>>747648651
you explained the entire fight loop of the remake games for all fights
there's no alternative to it either
its just
pressure
stagger
synergy
special move

over and over and over and over again

someone can try to explain to me how this is any different from mash x to win, but I won't listen to their babbling drivel

>>747651884
Yeah it does.

>>747651698
It could be and I may be completely off base or in my own bubble.
But as far as what I can tell from videos I've seen, people playing the game, and people who liked and disliked certain aspects.
Most of the harsh critiques are on the story and how they changed it. It usually doesn't encompass things like doing the dive into tertiary characters backstories and lore. And focuses mainly on the time ghosts and Nomura.
Least of all are people critiquing the new battle system. Which people who wouldn't mind action combat think it's a little shallow, and those that would prefer turn based combat find it simple enough not to hate on it too harshly. Sure it's not as in depth or engaging as other action combat but I don't think it was meant to be.
It really is just a casual's FF7 theme park.

>>747652003
see >>747651647

>>747652001
>dude, turn based is always the same, you just use attacks to lower HP enemy to 0, its so boring!

>>747651982
>I'm almost 40
Why are you here?

>>747652123
>instant babbling drivel response

>>747645464
God that would've been amazing. ATB was the best FF, on, RPG battle system.

>>747652014
I did liked the FF7R combat, but not entirely sure if FF7 fans (the actual target) would not prefer turn based.
The combats are a bit long due the action aspect and such, and it's still a bit of mashing X but walking to the enemies as well, unless you're fighting bosses.

>>747652191
Do you think 4chan has some age limit that isn't 18+

>>747651982
just go play OG moded anon

IS ETRIAN ODYSSEY WORTH IT ON SWITCH? NEVER PLAYED THEM BUT I LIKED SMT STRANGE JOURNEY

>>747652191
And where else would he go?
>inb4muhfamily
Have zoomers too fallen for the social contract psy-op?

Somehow, VIIR derangement syndrome returned

>>747652237
You missed the entire point of the question. I guess you really are too far gone.

>>747651982
I can't think of a single person going into the trailers or hearing about FF7R that were "excited" that it might be a 1:1 including turn based combat.
Or who were explicitly against it changing from that once they saw gameplay footage.
However you are 4 years older than me so perhaps you have a larger group of friends who play the games and had a better finger on the pulse.
I'm sure that SE realized it's mistake because Rebirth "seems" as far as I've played it so far to be more faithful? But I haven't even gotten past beach town yet, still having fun, just taking a break because DD2DA is coming soon so I wanted to get ready for that.

>>747645464
>Final Fantasy games excel in narrative
only compared to the dogshit gameplay. the "narrative" is cringe garbage.

>>747652365
I'm not the guy you're having an autistic pergfest internet fight with over some remake. Answer my question.

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>>747652191
Pic related

>>747652248
You're missing the point and context of my post.

>>747652419
>I can't think of a single person going into the trailers or hearing about FF7R that were "excited" that it might be a 1:1 including turn based combat.
>Or who were explicitly against it changing from that once they saw gameplay footage.
I didn't say this. I said that when people said they wanted a VII Remake, they were asking for Ever Crisis models (both chibis and full), turn-based combat, and the exact same story that they remember from their childhood with some more fleshed out dialogue, cutscenes, and lore. They weren't asking for a 3 game action trilogy series with time jannies. That doesn't mean that everyone needs to hate that they received a 3 game action trilogy series with time jannies, but that's not what anyone asked for.

>square:
>nobody likes turn based anymore!
>we need the kids market
>we need more sales!
>button mashing forced stagger slop is hot everyone says they like it!
>release game
>series fucking CRATERS
>sells 10x less than smash hit E33
>a direct, pause and wait, turn based game

Square hasn't had an understanding of what makes a game good since, oh I guess 1997.

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>>747647079
>>747650852
Because this is never the case otherwise?

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>>747652872
>>sells 10x less than smash hit E33
>>a direct, pause and wait, turn based game
E33 has sold about as many copies as Final Fantasy VII Remake, and though E33 is a turn-based QTE game, like 80% of its actual gameplay is timing parries to the enemy's attacks, which is distinctly not turn-based and was said to be directly inspired by Sekiro.

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Whose dick do i have to suck to finally have a new Final Fantasy game with FF9 aesthetic once again??

>>747652872
e33 is parryslop though and a horrible one at that
combat is the weakest part of the game

>>747645464
Turn based games need to copy what Yakuza Infinite Wealth did. Actually made the battles dynamic and reactive instead of just picking options from a menu

>>747651602
The remakes were piss easy and required no thought whatsoever to win. Ironically the original game had harder boss fights.

>>747647781
ALL Final Fantasy games are braindead easy without a difficulty mod.

>>747651276
>muh zoomers have brain damage they need to be actively doing something everytime
>turns out zoomers love persona
Boomers retardation as always

>>747653318
So why design a new combat system that just forces me to do more shit for no real gameplay change? That's my point, if the combat system isn't more engaging then changing it is pointless. Difficulty is a necessity to force you to engage with the system because otherwise you can just skip half the mechanics.

>>747647079
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/D0mAZrmCZ4-uM-gx9mIkXg/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/8v9hgeORoTgSbTm67cGdZA/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/hCBzdGItMqWkmBrlW0DwIg/
Why are there so many different versions of this webm?
The last one is the original (I thnk). And it doesn't have the bait text. So that can explain the other two are genuinely the same webm, and I know there are even more hash variants of the webm.
Is someone unironically making pointless bit changes to the webm just to change the hash?

>>747649987
Metaphor is such a memory holed game. Can't recall the plot at all.

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>>747653512
>Boomers retardation as always

>>747653526
I'm just pointing that out. I like turn-based and Rebirth's iteration of the combat. They finally got it right after XV, XVI, and Remake.

>>747653645
>anon has saved 2 different md5 hashes for an image that upsets him
>they haven't been posted in half a year
But why? For what purpose?

>>747653512
they love persona because it's an incel high school simulator where you can romance waifus, actual gameplay is less than 5% of the game
it's a substitute to their lack of human interactions

>>747651647
>You dont Perfect Block
Confirmed for never playing Integrade or Intermission. They even added a perfect dodge materia in Revelation

>>747653885
The game is number based, not "feel" based. Having perfect blocks arent for the same purpose.

>>747645464
FFVII needs not only a turn based remake but it should also be in HD2D

>>747652750
Agreed, no one was asking for a 3 game action trilogy but SE knew what they were doing.
Either way, I picked up FF7R and Rebirth for the discounted price of 40ish dollars for both, and had never intended on playing it originally but was pleasantly surprised when I actually played it myself. Even with all the shenanigans.

>>747650205
is actually amazing how women can't help but make everything they touch about themselves

>>747654059
It's a 3D game, you don't need to HD2D it.
IDEALLY, square should still have the 3D model files, and just re-render everything in 4k.

>time jannies
>time jannies
>time jannies
6 years straight

>>747653863
>they are wrong because of x y z, i’m right because of a b c that contradicts my x y z statements
Youre embarassing yourselv gramps

>>747653863
Why is there someone in every VIIR thread always shitposting about the loathsome idea of a Persona enjoying bogeyman? Where does this hatred stem from, and why does it always appear out of nowhere?

>>747653783
I enjoy it for what it is as well but it clearly falls for the same pitholes that people accuse turn based of only difference is that the pretty lights active their neurons so they pretend it is different.

>>747647692
Nope there's an option for that :^)

I don't like Sephiroth's new theme, feels like a bunch of shit jumbled together. Kingdom Hearts was the perfect version of it

>>747654104
>but SE knew what they were doing
They knew that millions of people would buy a Final Fantasy VII Remake no matter what it was. Luckily pretty much everyone still on board agrees that the combat is one of the better aspects of the Remake. What people seem to disagree on is everything else, because the people who wanted turn-based aren't even in the conversation.

>>747654228
Because retards like you enable them
If 80% of the anons in this board ignored the other retards, they would all eventually stop and kill themselves

>>747653885
Who are you kidding anon, there is never a point in using either of those mechanics. Compared to say Sekiro, where the entire game is designed around you parrying.

>>747654343
Complainong about everything as this point

>>747654505
+1 rupee added to your account saar

>>747653992
Just take the L anon.

>>747654385
>Because retards like you enable them
That's the first time I've ever commented on it, but I'm happy to see that you are yet another one of those people who thinks that the person asking about the problem is more problematic than the problem itself. And you didn't even try to answer my question either. That's okay though. Don't have a 6 hour meltdown about it, please.

>>747653512
This is very ironic because zoomers are the first one to
>She's SEVENTEEN AND 364 DAYS OLD!!!!!
And they play Persona, the teenager dating sim.
They are soulless so, makes sense.

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>>747654441
>there's never a point in using perfect block

>>747654441
>There is never a point to perfect block
Are you retarded? How the fuck is negating all incoming damage, preventing ailments AND a free atb refill pointless?
Bosses like Dyne literally VOMIT ATB at you with all of the shitty easily perfect block gunfire he feeds you.

I mean I would have bought ff7r if it was turn based, but ff15 was soooooooooooooooooo fucking bad with it's slop action gameplay and everything that I heard about ff7r led me to believe it was more or less the same, except they put magic back in.

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>>747654682
FFVIIR has the best action RPG combat system of all time

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>>747654174
Remember when everyone thought the Whispers died at the end of Remake and wouldn't be returning in Part 2, so all the doomer secondaries who didn't play the game can just shut up about them now?

Good times. Good times.

>>747654682
Damn, you're saying (on your OWN) that you're INCREDIBLY retarded
>game X = game Y (gameplay)
And you are a tourist. Sasuga zoom zoom.

>>747654814
How could I forget? You've posted about it daily for 6 years

>>747654568
>That's the first time I've ever commented on it

That is exactly the fucking problem. You newfags keep on feeding them. Go back where you came from retard.

>>747654636
>>747654664
Because not using the mechanic has zero effect on the difficulty of the game. You can ignore it completely and you won't get punished for it, same with summons. They are "add-on" mechanics, win-more if you like.
If I don't get severely punished for ignoring a mechanic then its existence is virtually pointless.
>Dyne
And he was piss easy even without it.

>>747655083
I too enjoy constantly moving the goalposts.

>>747654761
Not while they keep that shitty stagger bar it isn't. Enemies taking 5 to catch their breath while you attack them with no response is just bad design.

>>747655367
Yeah because action games where enemies dont react to anything that you do are so much better. Or the ones where players can juggle them forever lmao

>>747654842
Well, no, certainly not daily and certainly not for 6 years. It seems you have though.

And just so you're aware, the reason people keep talking about time jannies is because they are still a problem, and the series is still ongoing. It is still, currently, right now, as of this very moment, an ongoing issue with the Final Fantasy VII Remake. That's why people have been posting about the time jannies for as long as they've been around. Because it's still a problem. You're going to hear about time jannies even after the game releases, because there is DLC coming. And there is a "Forever" series coming as well, which time jannies might also be a part of. You will be hearing about time jannies for the rest of your life, and you will be seething about it the entire time.

I'd ask if you even like the time jannies, but you wont answer that question, and your answer is irrelevant anyway. We both know that you just blindly defend whatever is in the game, and protect the honor of VIIR from anything you think might threaten it, even if that means you end up defending VIIR from exactly what it ends up becoming. Because when it becomes what you don't want it to be, you'll defend that too. You already have.

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>>747655367
It's the best designed action RPG combat system of all time

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>>747655474
Yeah it's really annoying that Square didn't figure out how to solve that issue without breaking the pace of any fight on their first attempt of turning FF combat in to a 3D action game

>>747655594
Even better than Elden Ring?

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>>747655527
Someone sure is bored this morning

>>747655645
You can cheese a lot of enemies in KH1 with jump combo loops. Then in KH2, its all about manipulating revenge value to make them free.

>>747655692
Only in the sense that anyone posting on 4chan is "bored". You're just as "bored" as I am.

>>747655276
How did I move the goalpost if I stand by my opinion that a mechanic you can ignore is pointless? You seeing the rewards in using it doesn't change the fact that removing it would have no adverse effect on the gameplay.
The "no point" in this case is not that it doesn't grant rewards, but that its very existence is pointless because there is never a necessity to use it.

>>747655663
In my opinion yes and it's not really a debate. Elden Ring is fundamentally still just Demons Souls, a game from 2009. The way From gameplay has been defined and pushed by meta strategies and "git gud" bullshit for so long that it's become the "roll slop" meme means its forever relegated to B+ status. People always get mad when they find out that you can't just dodge everything in VII remake lol

>>747645464
>vanilla turn-based hasn't aged well

Do something like octopath traveller, metaphor, persona 5, E33, and the goat SMTV:V there have been lots of succesful and fun turn based games. I'd say all the most successful RPGS on the market are still turn based.

>>747656001
SE doesn’t have the skill to copy something like SMT V, imagine creating an entire build around the dodge mechanics or the status effects, today SE couldn’t pull out something like that

>>747654761
YS 8 & 9 are over there

>>747655956
There is no need to parry in Sekiro but using it all upsides. The same goes for Perfect Blocking in Rebirth.
Playing like a retard and ignoring useful mechanics is not really a reason to call ot supefluous.

>>747656404
Bitch, Oath anal rapes those

>>747656441
>There is no need to parry in Sekiro but using it all upsides.
You really forced that one out of your ass anon. You don't have to argue with me to the point where you just start lying. Or do you really want to compare the amount of difference in ignoring both systems? Because I'm sure you know that Sekiro becomes near-unplayable if you do, whereas in Rebirth nothing changes.

>>747653073
Mine
>he doesnt know I can generate one on AI

>>747656001
none of those are vanilla turn based

People are still crying about turn based? Isn't this like the 3rd remake already or something?

>>747656878
guess what: even if the remake was turn-based they would still be seething

>>747655663
>is it better than Demon Souls 5?
Yes, this has an actual party, for starters

>>747656404
Hahahahahaha omfg

>>747652991
and it's crazy that this system requires more strategy than the original ever could.

You don't really have to heal or use items, and you don't have to use Unbridled Strength on Tifa, or Aeriths wards, or Yuffie's elemental ninjutsu, and you don't have to use Clouds Punisher mode either.

I wonder why someone would claim that these mechanics don't matter simply because you can brute force past them. Must be some sort of ulterior, shitposting motive

>>747645464
No, they don't. Nobody would put dozens of hours into a game with shit gameplay.

>>747657001
>average OG turn-based enjoyer:
>equips regen to everyone
>equips haste + all
>equips elemental on weapon
>keep spamming attack
>WOW they will never do games like that again huh?

>>747645464
I liked turn based but FF7r's combat is better

>>747651759
No

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>>747657208
you don't have to heal or use items in classic either, you don't have to equip that accessory that gives 20% fire resistence, you don't have to use limit breaks, you don't have to...

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>>747657372
Yes. This was revealed 7 years ago.

https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_US/news/final-fantasy-vii-remake-classic-mode

>>747657480
please dont bring shitty retard twitter lingo into 4chan. thank you.

>>747655594
I had a lot more fun doing combos in Odin Sphere Leifthrasir than I had killing enemies in Remake or Rebirth.

>>747657208
There is nothing "brute force" about ignoring perfect guard. It has that little effect on the whole system. To even compare it to not healing is just admitting defeat by hyperbole.

>>747657543
>I'm a lying larper brown fag but whatever

>>747657563
You don't have to use Unbridled Strength, it has that little effect on the whole system.

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>>747657208
>You don't really have to heal or use items, and you don't have to use Unbridled Strength on Tifa, or Aeriths wards, or Yuffie's elemental ninjutsu, and you don't have to use Clouds Punisher mode either.
what are you even talking about?

>>747656624
You dont have to do it but you'd be a fucking retard to not use the posture mechanic in Sekiro. Are you familiar with the concept of a skill floor by any chance? Or do you enjoy pretending that mechanics that have a use are useless because you chose not to use them on the glorified tutorial difficulties?

>>747645464
It's always a pleasure to watch the chuds on /v/ stubbornly cling to outdated game mechanics, that were born solely due to the tech limitations at the time, solely because they're from "the old days" and somehow automatically better.

These same people argue that tedious and jarring random encounters are "soulful", and that stilted turn-based contact is superior to dynamic action-oriented combat that still retains the spirit of turn-based combat in a way, for no other reason than to be contrarian to the new norm.

If the industry listened to the people here, we'd still be stuck with games playing, and even looking (because modern graphics are bad too, naturally), like Final Fantasy I.

>>747657208
>>747657480
People say this and instantly forget that White Wind exists
FF7 is fundamentally broken

>>747645464
Rebirth is so good that SE has announced it's the template for FF games going forward. It's comnat is also a nice action/turn based hybrid which somehow manages to balance both while still being fun so I dont know why turn based trannies hate it so much

>>747657563
You dont have to heal if you actually bothered to dodge or perfect block attacks instead of face tanking it. Hard Mode seals off items entirely, so they literally dont matter when it counts.
Etc

>>747657930
jesus fucking larper

>>747657710
Remake/Rebirth force you to not use items on a multitude of fights anyway.

>>747657970
Did you grow tired of seeing yourself in a mirror? Or does the video below not exist?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xqf2Be9cqAQ

>>747657930
>you don't need to heal
>hard mode remove item usage to prevent healing
at least try a little harder anon
and you say as if dodge and parry are easy and you are ongball
stfu

>>747657721
>Are you familiar with the concept of a skill floor by any chance?
Which, again, is completely pointless to argue when the ceiling is ankle high. Winning by 500 is pointless when the target is 100.
You have to manage your health, or you will eventually die.
You have to dodge or guard or you are likely going to run out of MP constantly healing yourself or get caught when you don't have a bar.
You don't have to perfect guard anything because the devs didn't design the game around you using the mechanic.

>>747658195
>somehow sekiro is relatable
>posts a sekiro run
man just kys for everyoby's sake

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>once again, a conversation about Final Fantasy has become a conversation about difficulty, when Final Fantasy as a franchise is literally - quite literally - designed to be completed by women and children

To me the entire appeal of FF gameplay was the character building, not the fights themselves.
Games like FFV and FFT with the job system. I liked when FFTA went further with this and you could learn abilities with the equipment you bought. Sphere grid in FFX. FFXII license board. All great mechanics.
That's why games like FFXV and XVI are such pieces of shit because the character building is so barebones

>>747658009
again, what's the point you're trying to make? How is that a bad thing?

>>747658232
>Constantly healing yourself
Why are you constantly healing yourself instead of using the mechanic explicitly designed to make you not take any damage? Even the big dumb unavoidable/unblockable super moves can be prevented by just playing better and preventing the enemy from charging up.
Did you just play the game in the dumbest most retarded way on purpose if you even did so in the first place?

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>>747658626
Final Fantasy games aren't even anywhere near close to the best character/team builders. If you play Final Fantasy for the character/team building, you sorely need to expand your horizons.

Monster Girl Quest Paradox has a more robust job system than any Final Fantasy game does, and it's a porn game.

>>747658657
There is no content in all of Remake or Rebirth that requires item usage because they're all balanced around the difficulty mode where they're banned. Consequently, items are superfluous based on that anon's argument of perfect blocking being superfluous because you arent forced to use it.

>>747658713
>Why are you constantly healing yourself instead of using the mechanic explicitly designed to make you not take any damage?
Have you lost the ability to read now too? I said if you DON'T guard or dodge you'll have to heal yourself. I simply do that and ignore perfect guards and have never lost a boss fight, funny how that works huh?

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I NEED TURN BASED
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>>747658912
Are you capable of following a conversation or do you enjoy doubling down on the larp?

>>747658985
If you like dungeon crawlers it's good. Final Fantasy fans generally seem to have absolutely zero crossover with any other turn-based or RPG games or franchises though. They seem to be almost entirely chained to literally just Final Fantasy and then they choose to complain about what Final Fantasy has become instead of searching for games that appeal to them in the same way that Final Fantasy did.

It's a turn-based team builder that is more difficult than Final Fantasy games are. But it's first person dungeon crawling.

>>747658912
>>747658232
Choosing to not use a mechanic on purpose doesnt make it non existent you drooling retard. Are parries pointless in Elden Ring because you can not use them?

>>747658912
nta but easier said than done. What about that vr fight against 2 grandhorns? Or any fight against enemies with bind attacks. Sometimes you have to dodge

>>747659393
No? Elden ring is a build based game and you will naturally forgo certain aspect of the game because it isn't part of your build.
Retarded comparison.

>>747659550
You're so dumb that you just don't get it do you?

>>747659550
>You can make a build that ignores them
That's right, so they're superfluous.

>>747659550
And I can build Red XIII entirely around the guarding and parry system and Sephiroth has an entirely unique parry system all to himself that you can use for about 5 minutes during the main game. Cloud has an unlockable second level parry based stance......I could continue

>>747659393
>Choosing to not use a mechanic on purpose doesnt make it non existent you drooling retard.
The other day, I described E33's gameplay as mostly just pressing parry, and then someone replied to me and said "you control the buttons you press" and then sperged out a little bit.

Final Fantasy fans are a strange bunch.

>>747659812
>>747660023
>Pretending FF7R has builds in the same vein as Elden Ring
Laughable. Squeezing blood from a stone just to avoid admitting the combat system is hollow.

>>747658912
Personally, I waste my MP and recovery items and ATB commands on healing whenever I could just block. My shitter strategy means that blocking doesn't matter actually, and it's superfluous to the games design. "There's never a point in using perfect block" and such.

>>747660183
You could parry in E33. You could choose to not parry in E33. Why do you gain from being dishonest?

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>>747660209
There's more mechanical depth to FFVIIR's parry system for ONE character, than in Elden Rings parry system (that's identical to the one from every other From game).

Vengeance mode buddy, learn 2 use it. Fucking scrub, holy shit.

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>>747660456
kek there he goes again

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>>747660456
>Why do you gain
Jeet

>>747652991
if you don't like mashing square you can play classic mode, larper kun

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I think the Remake project would have been stellar if they kept it to one game that told the entire story and didn’t have any of the nonsense we see in Remake and Rebirth. It’s a really good combat system, that is the only nice thing I can say about these games.

>>747645464
FFV was fucking dope.
Eat shit.

FF6 was overrated though.

>>747660552
>>747660183
Are you the sekiro fan that got mad earlier? I'm enjoying the pointless slap fight between ff and fromfags to be honest

>>747660696
Literally everyone thinks this exact same thing.

>>747657523
That's auto-battle. Not what he asked and makes it even more ridiculous.

>>747647743
ATB essentially boils down to turn based if you sustain any semblance of efficiency. It's pretty much as boring as turn based, anyway.

>>747660609
Larping as a jeet was funny

>>747660779
>Are you the sekiro fan that got mad earlier?
...no, I'm not part of whatever meltdown is happening about Elden Ring and Rebirth. I didn't even like Sekiro that much. Never finished it. I was a very hardcore Souls fan from Demon's Souls all the way through Bloodborne, to the point that I was one of those fags who would say that Souls ruined other games for me, but starting with my blind day 1 SL1 playthrough of Dark Souls 3, I beat the 4 kings or whatever they are called in that game, and I was just like "what the fuck is even the point of this series anymore for me" because I wanted a challenge, which Souls no longer really provided, but I also wanted to be able to use the new weapons and stuff, which I was not allowing myself to do. Complete and total Souls burnout.

I've rarely seen action fags ruin threads because a game was turn based, but my god do turn based fags love to cry about some modicum of action in their video games.

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>>747652991
For me, you know it's gotta be Circle then Square a few times for blade beams, then hold Square to go airborne and zoom in, then a Sonic Boom, Disorder, another round of Circle Square for blade beams, R1+Dpad to teleport Tifa over for the air juggle, hold Square to bounce straight to the ground, Unbridled Strength, L1+square to kick them back up, True Strike, etc etc ad infinitum

You get the picture. If you're still mashing Square in every game you have nobody to blame but yourself. It's not Elden Ring, you have a ton of mechanics to play with. You don't have to spam attack if you don't want to.

>>747660881
>doesn't the combat give you some sort of option to play it with only giving commands when you first start the game?
That's exactly what Classic is. You are a shitposter.

>>747660794
>Literally everyone thinks this exact same thing.
But that’s not true, there are plenty of people clamoring for “traditional turn based combat” and calling the Remake system “staggerslop”

>>747653854
that video has been posted in almost every FF7 thread I've seen for months

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>>747661162
>has enemy skill equiped
>doesn't use plasma discharge

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>>747661447
That's the beauty, you can do whatever you want

>>747661346
C'mon lil bro, follow along at least a little bit. The last time the bottom two md5s were posted was in April, nearly half a year ago. But he has a notepad with the archives links to them anyway for some reason. It's always strange to me how 4chan schizos have notepads or word docs of archives links to all the posts that have ever made them upset. Very strange behavior.

Why does everywhere look like a tourist destination?

It’s straight up bullshit that you lose all the weapons and equipment and materia from remake to rebirth for no fucking reason.

>>747661616
Especially considering that they already knew it was going to be a trilogy and especially considering that the base game already laid out possible level brackets and weapons and materia for them and especially considering that Golden Sun did it on the GBA 20 years earlier.

>>747661494
>all that
>15 DMG

>>747661616
...you wanted to start rebirth with 7 weapons each and maxed materia?

>>747661494
>Combo slop video that has infinite ATB
No better than the DMC-fags who post their ragdoll combo videos that play nothing like the actual game.

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>>747661843
Personally I want fully naked Yuffie x Cloud sex scenes in the game that are infinitely replayable

>>747661734
Golden Sun forces you to spend 75% of the game with a brand new team and the old endgame gear are almost entirely subpar when Isaac rejoins.

>>747661843
Yes. I earned it all already, let me have it. Or at the very, very least, give us some kind of lore reason for losing all of your stuff like it all got sucked up by the whisper tornado or the team had to sacrifice their stuff to Chocobo Bill for the car ride. Something, anything other than oops its all gone for no reason and you’re back at level 15 again.

>>747662192
>t-t-that doesn't count!
I accept your concession.

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>>747645464
turn base sissies get the rope

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>>747662074
Most of that seems perfectly feasible if you have Haste on and a high speed alongside some accessories like the Speed Demon keychain. There's plenty of ways it can be done

>>747662074
There's an item called Hermes shoes in rebirth that give you haste at the start of the battle. There's also a speed materia, there's haste materia, there's atb boost on stagger, etc.

>>747662080
fuck off, jeet

>>747662292
Stutter posting makes you look stupid senpai.

>>747662198
Did you not notice all of the unused weapons from remake in Johnny's inn?

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>>747662608
>senpai
That's embarrassing for you.

Speaking of combat, really excited to play with vincent and Cid, although it is quite clear that they are running out of ideas to make the characters unique. Both Cid and vincent have their own gimmicks and thats ok, but yuffie for example can also move around the air pretty easy like cid and also have a melee form / range form like vincent.

>>747662198
>>747662736
Actually i thought about it back in rebirth and there's a way to do it.
First, the materia problem: have yuffie steal it.
Second the weapon problem: have the weapons break or rust since the battle in midgar. Later in the game you can repair them.
Second the skill problem. New skill upgrade system. you start with all the skills from remake + learn new ones. These skills now have tier upgrade + a new skill fusion system. Example: Braver and focused thrust. Braver upgrades from lvl 1 to lvl 3 (each level upgrades its damage and a new feature, like being stronger when used by air). Braver can also be fusioned with Focused thrust and get a new fusion skill: Focused braver. Does focused thrust followed by a braver, good for stagger, and if the braver hits just when you stagger, it deals even more bonus damage.
Others are more original, like lifesaver + ungarmax. Make it like angermax hits heal the party.
You know that sort of thing.

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>>747645464
Digital Media doesn't age, you're just a retarded ADHD zoomer with shit taste and horrible takes. Please do everyone a favor and keep them to yourself from now on.

>>747647692
Shills have been glazing E33 for being the return to turn based combat Rpgs needed and you dodge and parry in that too. Where is your point.

>I don't like turn-based RPGs
Fine. Play your own fucking games instead of trying to colonize mine.

>>747664493
You're literally in the thread for a game that is not a turn-based RPG

>>747645464
No, FFVII Remake would have sold way more if it was a little more faithful to the original instead of becoming some braindead button masher with tranny filler content nobody asked for to artificially stretch the game into 3 games.

>>747661162
>You get the picture. If you're still mashing Square in every game you have nobody to blame but yourself. It's not Elden Ring, you have a ton of mechanics to play with. You don't have to spam attack if you don't want to.
This can be said about turnbased games too.

>>747645464
>except for X
>The game where you spend 95% of the main story one shotting enemies with the character designed to one shot them
>Then in the post game you need to go through dozens of hours of soulless grinding so you don't just get one shot before you even get to do anything against the superbosses
>One you get to that point you just spam Quick Hit until you win
Is this what turn-based fags think is a good combat system?

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>>747645464
I am shocked anyone liked the Final Fantasy games over the years, because turn-based is such a slow and outdated mechanic.

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>>747660456
>why do you gain

>>747667029
I started playing through them all this year starting with FF1, currently on 15 and I much prefer turn based. The combat in 15 is fucking awful. 12 was interesting with the gambits, but made the game too easy really. I haven't played the 7 remakes yet.

>>747665852
>SOMEBODY ON TWITTER SAID-
lol

>>747665526
it's the best an FF title can do

>>747667472
That's where we're at now. No one has their own opinions. They post opinions from Twitter that got X amount of updoots as if it lends more credence to their own opinions, if you can call it that. It's the next iteration of sales posting.

>>747667362
the thread is about 7R anon, XV combat is just a prototype of 7R's, the remake is a thousand times better

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>>747667362
XV combat is nothing like 7r.
7r is XIII series (caution: SERIES, not just XIII) on steroids. They took FF7 OG general idea of materia and the characters, added action combat general movement, and then added the stagger system but evolved from Lightning returns. Not XIII, not XIII-2, but Lightning returns. It is here where the general pressure ---> stagger loop started.

>>747667685
The bickering is about whether turn based is good or bad, outdated or not.

>>747667854
I could barely get through XIII, there's no way I'm ever touching one sequel, let alone the second one.

>>747668006
If there's anything remotely good about XIII is the combat. Specially lightning returns, super underrated.
They did improve it from lightning returns since in that game, the stagger system was the absolute core of the system and you genuinely cant damage anything without staggering. I remember fighting just random mobs and if you didnt stagger you cant kill.

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>>747667868
it's about the turn base evolving FF7 for fuck sake
>I don't like action gameplay because XV sucks, so I would prefeer a turn based FF7 remake since I never player FF7 R, just XV and its combat is trash thats why
lol

>>747668432
I didn't really care for the combat in XIII. I especially didn't like that if my party leader died that meant game over.
>you genuinely cant damage anything without staggering. I remember fighting just random mobs and if you didnt stagger you cant kill.
I also don't like this.

>>747668467
>it's about the turn base evolving FF7 for fuck sake
>>747667029
>I am shocked anyone liked the Final Fantasy games over the years, because turn-based is such a slow and outdated mechanic.

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>>747649410
>So why did E33 win GOTY and actually look like an FF game compared to FF16?
>>747649696
>E33 and FF has nothing alike except for X turn bar.
>If they made 7R E33 like it would be great
>>747649897
>as expected from jap boomer execs, kek
>>747649857
>The E33 characters looked like SeeD or something. It's poetic when a FF-like game that looks more like FF than the actual current FF game made by a FF8 fan beats the actual FF7R and FF16.

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>>747667576
i'm pretty sure he understands the combat in og better than you do

>>747649410
>So why did E33 win GOTY and actually look like an FF game compared to FF16?
it won goty because it's not anime and the story and characters are good.

>>747653768
Because your skin color is the same as shit.

I liked FF15's combat.

>>747669862
You know the speedrun strat is that you just put Curse Ring, Powersoul, and Death Sentence on Tifa, right?

>>747671827
thanks for confirming that the og combat is braindead. You didn't need to go there