Play undead paladinIt's OP
That would require me to give Blliz money.That is not happening.
>undead paladin randomly exists before sylvanas even left the forsakengiga epic vriting lads!
>>747649129Undead Paladin is the type of shit that people who listen to Korn and Slipknot would want to play, so is it surprising?
>>747649129>before sylvanas even left the forsaken
>>747649239GET OUT OF MY HEAD, CHARLES!
i want to say it seems like it breaks lore, but i already thow that doesn't matter
>>747649304Huh?
>>747649310There are undead priests in Vanilla so no paladins do not break lore
>>747648335He looks cool
>>747649239so the original WoW audience and playerbase then?
>>747649239>Undead Paladin is the type of shit that people who listen to Korn and Slipknot would want to play, so is it surprising?sooo 30+ yo wow players
>>747648335Woah, rad dude. Is he in a fun game?
>>747649479worloworlo foreva n eva eva
>>747649386At least they were balanced by all the shadow shit, it's a bit different when it's a pure light dude
>>747649386Light and Holy are two different things.
>>747649386They do break the lore, go ask Sylvanas. This update is supposed to be in-between WC3 > Classic WoW transition and not the latest Retail Xpac, it very so breaks the Lore.
>>747649239So, just the Undead race? No shit sherlock.
>>747648335Why the fuck are there Undead Paladins it makes no sense at all especially when Forsaken are just that... Forsaken.
>>747649518>it's a bit different when it's a pure light dudeNo it's not. Forsaken do not magically stop believing in the light when they are brought back to their senses and the light does not discriminate between living and dead. This is very simple vanilla lore retard
>>747648335>playing westoid dogshitkek
>>747649617>fight as champions of the Light>against your own people for the Horde???
>>747649651Go play japanese games weeb
>>747649617The Light literally kills the Forsaken, it's like being Human and wanting to have Cancer
>>747649667>fight against your own people who are trying to kill you for being undead
>>747649713The Light is the central religion of the Human people, the Undead are actively in opposition of that and support the Horde against the Light. Your quests are about destroying all Humans and replacing them with Undead, and spreading the plague to recruit more members to the Forsaken. And how do you reconile being a Paladin with abilities specifically designed to kill Undead as an Undead. It's just pandering because Horde players chimped out due to not being able to play Paladin.
>>747649617>Forsaken do not magically stop believing in the light when they are brought back to their sensesThe Forsaken are supposed to be twisted, inhuman and horribly depressed. They literally should not be capable of wielding the light. These guys literally drag people off to be tortured, lobotomized, and harvested for their limbs.
>>747649617they kinda do though, in tirisfal glades questline you pretty much go out and exterminate all opposition to the undead plague and work to spread it and create a kind of globalized plague against all life. the faction is built entirely off spite, not righteousness as paladins represents. a paladin sworn to the light would absolutely work to destroy e.g., sylvanas.
>>747649689Far superior to playing dogshit neutered westoid troon garbage like this new WoW. If you didn't experience the original launch of WoW, you missed out. If you are trying to re-live it, you are a retard and a loser, you will never recreate that experience.
>>747649386Lorewise they were all shadow priests. The light deals damage to undead. The original plan for the game was for alliance only paladins and priests to be able to damage undead using their light-based healing spells.Obviously scrapped for the sake of streamlining classes and not having one race be significantly weaker than others. They should have just made light healing spell damage sufficiently weak that there was no point in ever using healing spells for damage against Forsaken in PVP; but kept it there for flavour and lore. Then just re-name and re-colour the healing specisations for undead priests.Obviously blood elves should never have been on the Horde in the first place, although if they were fueled by the fel powers of the burning legion that could have worked. Fel Paladins with green fire aesthetics would have been pretty cool. Fel magic healing the green demon-blooded orcs would also have made complete sense, and its not that much of a stretch to imagine unholy powers performing miraculous healing at the cost of bargaining with their dark masters.
>>747649513Ah bummer, fuck that
>retoiletoddlers spent 20 years collecting mounts mogs and cheevos only for Blizzard to wipe away their entire lore as non canon as they use Warcraft 3 to further establish classic + loreholy fuck...
>>747649617reminder that the only reason this doesn't work on forsaken players is purely for pvpfaggotry reasons.
>>747649906>Lorewise they were all shadow priestsWrong
>>747649617Bro the starter zone for the Undead is specificallly about extermination and destroying followers of the Light wtf are you talking about. It's gonna be so retarded playing an Undead Pally and taking quests to kill followers of the Light and destroy all followers of the Light in order to jum pstart a global plague and bring about a total Forsaken world under Sylvanas, which is what the Forsaken fight for. That's why they produce the plague and work to kill all humans and turn them into undead, and destroy all paladins and kill them all. so it's just schizoslop for transgenders
>>747648335A paladin cannot be undead, they would go straight to heaven.
>>747649591There's something about Undead Paladins that's angstier and edgier than any other Undead class. This Godsmack track might encapsulate that feeling.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYjZK_6i37M
>undead paladins cant use light abilities made to harm undead because...because they just can't ok!
>>747649995It's in the name, "WoW Forever". Retail is getting abandoned in favor of this and this will be Blizzard's last installment of WoW. The company is going under, all they have produced is failures. WoW Forever is their attempt to drag in the last chance they have of the 30-40 year olds that grew up playing WoW on release and milk their nostalgia and depression before they an hero.
>>747648335yeah you should probably not play it in that caseclass saturation with very little class homogenization and unique utility becomes a problem unless you don't mind not getting invited to anything
>>747649995>Let's kick off this revamped lore with some undead paladins and blueberry elves from another dimension.
>>747650089The abilities weren't even made to harm undead, the paladins were trained and enlisted before the orcs started raising death knights.
>>747650064They can in the latest Xpac iirc some tranny can turn them into Paladins, it just doesn't make sense for the WC3 path to Classic WoW.
>>747650034>>747649853WoW was developed at the same time as WC3 and the devs have gone on record saying that the devs working on forsaken zones and quests in WoW thought they were the Scourge because no one explained the difference to them
>>747650089>look i can cast holy burning light against undead but im immune to it because youre a racist>yeah so what my entire faction is dedicated to destroying civilization and replacing it with a global undead society by manufactuirng the plague and worshipping a literal death god but heh... check mate nazis the light actually works for ujndead because reasons
Just give them different spell colors or someshit, give paladin to nelves, but make them shoot moonlight.
>>747649617>>747649386Not true. In the original lore they were shadow priests, they even had their own order that revolved around the worship of the shadow. Using holy magic literally tears them apart and it takes an immense amount of discipline not just to tolerate the excruciating pain but not get ripped apart when you're using it. IC you were a shadow priest, OOC for the sake of gameplay you could be holy but it wasn't like you're saying it is. Undead paladins should effectively be shadow knights, all it would it take is to change their spells around and make them a dark shades with different names on the icons. But that's too much work for Blizz.And that's kind of the point. Even in the new WC3 campaign it's just dumb and handled in a way that feels like Shadowlands Danuser tier slop, it's modern Blizzard writing and it's cringe to portray the faction that (outside of a few exceptions) are just outright evil. Trying to be subversive and pretend the most evil faction in the game is the victim is just dreadful. It was mocked savagely back then even by forsaken players when they tried to shoehorn this slop iin and it's being mocked again.
>>747650171>umm actually chud the Undead were ALWAYS holy paladins defending the light>women were ALWAYS space marineswe're doing this now already are we
>>747650072https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sQFIcQL99wthis album rather, fuck Gaysmack.
>Undead PaladinIf you were a Paladin of the Light and reborn as Undead wouldn't you just kill yourself? Because your entire existence is an antithesis to the Light and the Forsaken are enslaved under Sylvanas and work with the Horde to destroy the Light. I can see no fundamental reason why an Undead Paladin would remain on the horde. Maybe they'll be an Alliance race?
>>747650241Strawmanning AND moving goalposts? Awesome
>>747650178Who said they're immune? Isn't it edgier and cooler if their magic hurts them, but they still use it because of their deep conviction to faith and a righteous cause?
>>747649617>and the light does not discriminate between living and dead.In gameplay terms Paladin in WC3 could damage undead units with Holy Light, which would otherwise heal any living unit
>>747650168That lame and gay and it doesn't make sense in classic DnD either. Who is in charge of this bullshit?
>>747650302>uh actually chud its strawmanning if you point out my logical flaws because otherwise youre a nazi racist fascist>uhh actually the devs just freaking misunderstood it... the Undead were ALWAYS light bearing paladins fighting against the undead... youre a nazi
Took this from somewhere. How are people still this fucking stupid and not able to spec correctly?
>>747650241>>umm actually chud the Undead were ALWAYS holy paladins defending the lightAre you going to pretend that the undead paladin NPCs didn't exists? You're the one rewriting history here.
>>747650371Shes still doing it
>>747650325Undead Paladin would make sense as a redemption arc story, a sinner realizing his mistakes and going back to change the world for the glory of Light and in the name of Good.
>>747650325>Deep conviction to faith and a righteous cause>serving the Forsaken and SylvanasNo amount of hoop jumping makes that make sense. The entire point of the Forsaken is that they oppose the existence of Humanity. Most of their story revolves around them trying to exterminate all followers of the Light and create global Undead. They even exterminate Southshore at one point, spreading the plague as your missions even in Classic revolve around producing the plague. In what logical way would any Paladin of the Light actively work to spread the plague
>>747650294I'd kill myself regardless if I were to live in nu-Blizzard worlds.
>>747649617The lore is retardedNight elves not being able to be shamans but orcs can be will never make sense in a lore sense.Orcs aren't natives, nelves are and even have a nature thing going on. Why are the elements only listening to some invaders that was torching the land only 6 years agoHell humans have a closer tie with azeroth despite being titan creations, and Irl humans were obviously shamans Who cares, the only thing thst matters is keeping faction differences for gameplay sake and aesthetic and corpses wearing golden armor looks retarded
>>747650464>The entire point of the Forsaken is that they oppose the existence of Humanity. Most of their story revolves around them trying to exterminate all followers of the Light and create global Undead.Incorrect, see >>747650171
>>747650393>uhh you see chud there was a single npc so that means the undead were actually worshipping the Light the entire time and sylvanas is actually a good guy fighting to bring the Light to the world
>>747650470yeah because you didn't re-roll into Lineage 2 or Tera's world am I right? both better places generally speaking than Azeroth. they would be the essential isekai potential worlds.
>>747649386Undead priests using holy was just a game mechanic in vanilla, not because it was lore accurate. It's why darkspear trolls could be mages (and also wield the light as priests) and why Forsaken players count as "humanoid" instead of "undead" (they originally were treated as undead but it caused balance issues in the beta I think it was?). The flavor text for undead priests referred to the church of the forgotten shadow or something like that. Would things have been better if they changed the names of the Horde's version of spells to have the word "shadow" instead of light in them and give them a purple effect? Sure, but it was so the Horde could have access to those talent trees, spells, and classes. Of course by now they've long since changed, ignored, or retconned everything that makes faction and race selection meaningful and homogenized their distinct cultural differences into bland mush. At this point in WoW's life, fuck it, let every race be every class. It doesn't matter.
>>747649239Hell yeah
>>747650565At least in Tera I'd get to rape Elin before the world got shut off.
>>747650561I played an Undead in classic, I remember the story distinctly. Your argument doesn't make sense. You're claiming that the original writers doesn't understand the difference between the Scourge and Forsaken, but no where have the Undead in any expansion been heroes of the Light fighting to spread the Light. They've always been about their nihilistic apathy, angst, and hatred for living things.
>>747650464Why are they with the forsaken? They are the knights of Lordaeron, sworn to protect it and its people. The forsaken are the people of Lordaeron, salt of the land, cursed with undeath.>Most of their story revolves around them trying to exterminate all followers of the Light and create global Undead.It's implied that the actions of the Royal Apothecary Society were unknown to most forsaken.
>paladins are going to follow sylvanas the rotslut they aren't even gonna try to justify this so why even bother debating it? its illogical to have undead paladins, everyone knows it.
>>747650635knew it, you sick fuck. there's one thing a 4channer reincarnated into another world can't resist without death penalty.
I mean it's pretty metal to think about a guy who believe in the light so much he's willing to be in constant pain by using it as an undead
>>747650719This
>>747650665>knights of Lordaeronwas/were>forsaken are the peoplewere>salt of the land, cursed with undeathand "reborn" as undead, nihilistic, apathetic, and full of spite against all existence. that is the fundamental point of the entire Undead questline in classic.
cool horse. cool skeleton armor. im in
>>747650007exorcism should just be castable on all non-mechanical units. I really think paladin is a flop because there was at least as far as I can tell no way to translate strength / agility into spell damage. Ret paladin items will need >str>agi>stam>int>spirit>spell damage>spell hit>hit>spell crit>critProt will also need>defense>dodge>block>parryJust to be competitive. Meanwhile warrior and rogue only need >str>agi>stam>crit>hitItemization makes no sense in these cases, they will have to put every single state onto paladin items and it will be a bloated mess. They're designing paladin to use spells like holy shock outside of being holy so they intended spell power to impact paladin skills.
>>747650653>but no where have the Undead in any expansionIn ANY expansion? That's simply not true
>>747648335Actually it makes a lot of sense. These Undead are working to destroy the Horde and overthrow Sylvanas, but have to work with Sylvanas the Horde in order to not be wiped out. Would be cool if Undead Paladins could onyl flag for pvp against the Horde, and Alliance couldn't target them either. Having a sleeper race like that on the Horde would make things interesting.
>>747649995The biggest issue with retail at this point is the lore being irrevocably fucked, they could hire some decent writers to retcon things back to a workable place. Retail still serves a segment that just wants to run dungeons for an infinite amount of time that would be underserved by Forever probably
>>747650786That's Ghost Rider.
>>747650665>Why are they with the forsaken? They are the knights of Lordaeron, sworn to protect it and its people.Because the living humans fear and kill them.
>>747650171I vaguely remember seeing early datamines for TBC and UD were still referred to with "SCR" for scourge in the files
>>747650072Not edgy enough. And I fucking love Godsmack. To me Undeads will forever be associated with the prime nu-metal, dreads, repulsing sound, abrasive melody, turntables, shitty guitar riffs, "lyrical" verses with a heavy bass line and barely any guitar, bad vocals screaming and crying and whispering about the most edgy cringe shit imaginable. Pure sincere kino.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spTayu0JyeIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIu6e21lOtg
>>747649853>the faction does not represent player characters There is nothing stopping an newly rolled undead from skipping all those quests because they personally find them reprehensible
Undead Paladin explicitly contradicts the motivation of the Forsaken:>As one of the forsaken, you must use your cunning and viciousness to slay any who would pose a threat to Sylvanas's rule. Be they human, undead, or otherwise.No Paladin would ever accept or follow Sylvanas or acknowledge her as sovereign.
>>747650780Nihilistic depression isn't the only response to apocalyptic tragedy.
>>747649906>Lorewise they were all shadow priests.cope + nobody cares + LORE LOL
>>747648335must be a third fac they have planned out. it makes no sense for there to be undead paladins, because they lost contact with the light and serve the lady of death. but maybe they could roleplay it as some undead retained some memories of being champions of the light, and want to kill sylvanas and destroy the forsaken. i wonder if thats what will happen, undead paladin will be alliance?
>>747650913>nu-metal.you niggers. where's the black metal at?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZENtivAi6I
You guys are focusing on the wrong things.They "remastered" this game two times, and not once did they pick the actual good artstyle/direction of HOTS, their own fucking video game.Both times they picked the worse option of hyperrealism and disneyshit.
>>747650653Nta and agreeing with you.Warcraft was always incredibly simple and just based off of stereotypes This is me >>747650494And I hold by it. People not understsnd this is why wow lore fell off, they actually overcomplicate it trying to make it more complex than it really is.Orcs are shaman barbarians, that is their asethetic even though lore wise nothing is stopping them from being mages, and it even makes sense since warlock is already kind of a mage. It ruins the visionYes technically forsaken should be able to interact with the light I mean they can be literally priests and holy magic them because blizzard was too lame to make horde adapt to their undead needing a different healing source But their aesthetic is poison loving wanting to murder everyone alive while doing an evil laugh living underground when it would be easier to just build back their old home.Having paladins larping as do gooders break that image
>seal twisting made easy >undead pally mount looks sickyep its RET time, plate + intelect, 2 hsword
>>747650813just a small note, but crit and hit are now each 1 thing. no spell hit or melee crit, for example. there are also some spirit/mp5 changes, i can't remember the exact details but mana regen could be a little more generous.
>>747649239nah i play male orc warrior (and night elf male demon hunter)>t. 32 year old korn and slipknot fan
>>747649239Issues was one of the best albums of the 90's across all genres. Don't @ me.
>>747650953the Forsaken are not independent of thinking, they get intentionally awoken as you learn right in the very first dialogue. you are not in command of your faculties, and are a servant of sylvanas. sylvanas is openly against the Light, so being a crusader for the Light inservice of someone against the Light is meaningless. why the fuck would the naruu grant you powers to be used to kill the followers of the Light for someone trying to wipe the Light out? lol
So is this vanilla style paladin? Cuz that shits boring as hell to play.
>>747651048That's the only reason females play the game.
It would be cool if they just had undead splinter off into their own faction, it always seemed like they were building to something like that in vanilla
>>747651120Oh cool a fanfic headcanon thread
>>747648335I think the Undead Paladins will be on the Alliance, as that would make the most sense from a lore perspective. Especially because the Paladins in Lordaeron were the ones that made sure to fight the Undead, so they would never accept Undeath as a curse on humanity, and would work to stop its spread, whereas Sylvanas is about preserving and even spreading Undeath. Will be cool to see Tirisfasl Glades split as a Contested Starting Zone between Alliance Undead and Horde Undead
>>747651097>Intellect>RETwot
>>747649906High Inquisitor Fairbanks.
NERDS
>>747651196>About time you woke up. We were ready to toss you into the fire with the others, but it looks like you made it.
Paladin are canonically literally just warrior priests. There are undead priests. Both leverage the light. You guys are retarded.
>>747651239Dont bother youre talking to someone who clearly doesn't know the lore
> Led by the Banshee Sylvanas Windrunner, a group of renegades broke away from the Scourge and freed themselves of the Lich King's domination. Known by some as the Forsaken, this group fights a constant battle not only to retain its freedom from the Scourge, but also to slaughter those who would hunt them as monstersthe Forsaken just have a general hatred of everything and everybody, and dont fight for any cause except pure survival. there is no lore room for believing in a religion because they abandoned all these faiths.
>>747651297Yeah because they thought you were scourge dipshit not because they're trying to control your thoughts
How did they ever explain Nelf mages in retail, just curious
>>747650325"Paladin who's faith is so zealous that even death can't stop him from wielding holy light to destroy fellow undead" is a super cool class fantasy but not what WoW portrays at all. An undead paladin is still helping the forsaken attempt to eradicate humanity and turn them into forsaken. There is nothing righteous about their mission.
>>747651026This is undead thread, nu-metal was THE metal when WoW was released, everyone up to Metallica tried it. Black was among the less popular metal genres at that time. Unlike nowadays, it feels like every kid plays black, when the death is dead.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqiNhw1HGHEI know nu is not a metal
>>747649129>No Undead ever wanted to retain their faith in the light despite being literal dead humans
The in-game voice over of the Undead even explicitly states the goal of the Forsaken is a "dark plan", and about establishing a "new order":> Convinced that the primitive races of the Horde can help them achieve victory over their enemies, the Forsaken have entered an alliance of convenience. Harboring no true loyalty for their new allies, they go to any lengths to ensure their dark plans come to fruition. As one of the Forsaken, you must massacre any who pose a threat to the new order, Human, Undead, or otherwise.There is no logical reason for an Undead Paladin to exist, because they explicitly follow the will of Sylvanas who wants to destroy all that was.
>>747649697>>747649667>>747649809I got some bad news for you guys. You might want to sit down for this one.>>incapable of wielding the Light>Undead Priests playable since VanillaI got even worse news for you guys.>implying Paladins and Priests need to be "good" in Warcraft to use their powersYou might not have heard of them, but they're a little-known enemy faction called the Scarlet Crusade who are hostile to both the Horde and the Alliance.tl;drLorelets who don't know the lore claim to know the lore even though they demonstrably don't know the lore as evidenced by their actually braindead claims.
>>747651386>there is no lore room for believing in a religion because they abandoned all these faiths.Source: your schizo headcanon
>>747651420What needs explainingNelf thinks "I want to be a mage" and goes become one
>>747651098Probably just more items with mp5. They were rare in SoD but game changers. Think Hpal and others maybe also have some spirit talents that are new
>>747651425Just don't do quests for Royal Apothecary Society members.
>>747651426Nu-Metal was for poseurs that got slayed for being niggers at metal shows revisionist.
>>747648335man i hope the undead are split faction so you will get undead alliance and undead horde. the undead alliance reject sylvanas and embrace the light, while the undead horde reject the light and embrace sylvanas. hope thats their plan that would be cool and make the most sense, although it doesnt make sense for an undead being to worship the light and receive light powers, because it contradicts the light.
>>747651503they said all casters will have a way to regen mana in combat through spirit
I like the forsaken in concept cause humans are trying to reclaim a human territory from undead invaders who are literally the people that lived there before being killed and resurrectedIts neat and simpleBut forsaken are evil and not goodie boys, aright the bone niggas making super gas and eating humans prob should get out of their evil dungeon and move back into their house already
>>747650007>the only reason I can't use this in pvp is because of pvpfaggotryretard
>>747651485>As one of the Forsaken, you must massacre any who pose a threat to the new order, Human, Undead, or otherwise.states it right ther ein the intro dialogue. your loyalty is to the dark lady sylvanas against all existence. the old world must perish and be destroyed, in the name of the dark lady and the new dark world order you will build over the corpses of all civilisation.
>>747651493But wouldn't other Nelfs hang them from their balls from teldrassil for using arcane magic
Didn't we already have heavily-armored spiritual warriors called "Death Knights" that filled the role of an "undead paladin"
>>747651592Cool more fanfic headcanon
>>747649129>xe cares about wow lorelol, lmao
>>747648335You guys think they will have Undead join the Alliance? With Sylvanas as Sylvanas, I can't think of a justifiable reason why a Paladin would ever bend the knee to her, especially as she is pretty open with destroying the world.
>>747651462Are you dense? Holy and Light are two different things. It put it in retard terms for you: Holy is a power from "God", The Light is power from Racism.
>>747650786based retard
>>747651601They've been allied with other races that use it casually for decades and the main reason they stopped using it long ago is gone anywayBesides it's only 1/3 of a Mage's repertoire
>>747651630>the ingame dialogue is headcanon
>>747651515p.s: Guns 'n' Roses was heavily mocked by their own fan base and metal scene at the time "nu-metal" was a "thing" for 15 seconds for wanting to do features with Rap Musicians for staying relevant in the music sphere. Djent was the acceptable "modern metal" Nu-Metal was faggotry.
>>747651420The Shen'dralar and other exiles were re-integrated into Night Elf society and prejudices against arcane magic softened after they saw their human and gnome compatriots using it healthily.
>>747648335Hey nice to meet you OP
>>747651619Paladin fags are the most obnoxious niggers in roleplayingAny game from dnd to wowThey won't be happy until every popular race can be one and they are also competitive-best 1 at healing damage and tanking the same time Oh also the best at pvp damage dealing and good at healing
>>747649129/baitWoW Forever is literally alternative reality base-game WoW.Not only is Sylvanas an undead, she's still in charge of the Forsaken.
>umm actually >posts long false headcanonAnyways what class and race are you guys planing to go home with? I’m torn between Orc Warrior, Skelf Enhance Shaman, or some Survival Hunter
>>747651619Death Knights are unholy magic and Paladins are light magic.
>>747648335My guess is you will have a 50/50 fac. with undead joining the alliance as a playable race. and undead pallys will be alliance. they will be trying to destroy and stop sylvanas from spreading the darkness and try to defeat the forsaken and end the curse of undead, in the name of the light. because why would you follow the light and support sylvanas?
>>747651120Pic related it's my Forsaken character questing in Durotar after she turned 360 degrees and walked away from shit she didn't want to do. I guess she must be independent of thinking after all and that quest giver was just a retard.
>>747651743and not only that Lord of Darkness himself, Ozzy Osbourne did an ad with undead character as the promo. 70s to 80s bands were still relevant in the discussion to early 2000s as the best ones were still touring other than the ones that disbanded out of personal choice.
>>747651807Night Elf Warrior, just like I played as a kid on release.
>>747651785We aren't talking about the Classic+ here.The WC3 DLC is transition before WC3 > WOW when it first released.
>>747651515>metalfag shits on nu-metal and talks about poseurs while posting the most entry level black metal album known to humanityIt's like 2000 again. Some things just never change.
>>747649129>COW PEOPLE>PANDA PEOPLE>CENTAURS>THE PLANET IS A LIVING THING>TITANS CAME AND WENT>SEVENTY KINDS OF ELVES AND FAGGOT TROLLS>DA SHADOW LANDS>100% ACCEPTABLE LORE>other timeline where undead are zealous enough to burn themselves to invoke the light (ZELIEK? ZELIEK? WHO THE FUCK IS THAT???)>UH THIS LORE IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE ... BECAAUSE IT JUST IS OK???
>>747651669>old Warcraft RPG lore that was retconned since as early as Vanilla>>747651664Paladins =/= good in Warcraft.
>>747648335You will have Paladins on the Alliance with the Undead Startzoned Contested between Horde and Alliance, Undead Paladins are those sworn to Lorderaon and are working to kill Sylvanas to stop her from taking over the world and t odefeat the Forsaken, who are evil and serve the Dark against the Light. Undead Paladins can only work if they are on Alliance
>>747651872If you actually listen to Ozzy/Black Sabbath lyrics, they're not singing about praising the devil and defiling the light, they're singing about rejecting the devil's power and returning to the light.
>>747651834>Hello My Fellow Paladins
>>747651918you are not just ready for the weird shit black metal has to offer kiddo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiQl6pBcYMM
>>747651954Loving every laugh from these autistic smoothbrained lorelets.
>>747651973yes and that's his band image? the undead character was his choice to larp as the lord of evil for the game ad. Mr. T also had an ad, you can tell which race/class combo he was.
>undead paladinjust the kind of ttranny "umm i may be dark outside but im light inside!!" faggotry only blizzard could think of.
>>747651812Yeah so isn't unholy magic better for undead than light magic
>>747651834lovely character anon
>>747651740Not him but yeah pretty much.WoW is a roleplaying game.You can listen to this random disembodied voice tell you what your motivation is if you want.OR you can do what you're MEANT to do and make your own story.You're not obligated to follow the rules and motivations of a race to a T
>>747652130Nigga, more than half of the people in 2004 (when WoW released) had user names like XxSephirothxX or Blood_Blade777.
>>747651619Forever would have gotten me to resub if they launched with DK rebalanced for 60.
I would play one but they'll be oversaturated
my name was huggywuggyUwU and i pretended to be an e-girl
>>747652323never let this dictate character choice, a majority of the undead paladins you see in the starting zone will quit playing by level 30
>>747648335You just know it was a tranny that came up with this fucking retarded idea
>>747651928 see >>747651908
>>747649129They confirmed it's a different universe anyway
>>747652182You are forced to remain in the Horde and serve Sylvanas even though this openly contradicts you serving the Light
>>747652320We're never getting WotLK back, are we
>>747652182ThisPCs are exceptional by definition The whole point of being a PC is that you are not bound by NPC baggage
>>747648335Undead paladins (along with the nu lore that undead priests use the holy light) is a bit stupid because the Holy Light is supposed to straight up destroy the undead. As in reducing them to ash. And the use of dark magic is supposed to deafen you to the voice of the light anyway, so its use is impossible if you're literally walking, talking dark magic.BUT thematically the "undead paladin that is put through serious pain by the use of his own powers" is pretty cool. It has strong flagellant vibes. It just makes me wonder how many layers of retcon we're on to make such a thing even possible so that an undead paladin can use the Holy Light and is merely pained by it instead of being reduced to ash.
lots of undead paladins roaming around is just mary sue trash. Its fucking stupid.
>>747649129>he bends the knee to the she bitch
>>747652568I'm sorry what
>>747652585The Light is not restricted to the Alliance, you really are just spouting your retarded fanfic headcanon
A giant tit red head mentally ill girl i met on moon guard sexted with me for a week years and years ago on discord. She touched herself over the call and showed me her tits.She's like a super popular cosplayer nowHer username was something stupid like mcrgirlxx or some shit Posts on moofarm or whatever girl 4chan was calledAnyways shoot your shot player at those usernames is the moral also rp servers are still the best. A surprising amount of bored middle aged women even though they will ghost you randomly out of mental illness
>>747648335Wait so an entire faction of undead cursed people that serve an elf who wants to destroy the planet are gonna be paladins now that kill other paladins because a demon dark elf told them to? Why not just make them death knights?
>>747650436Hmmm. Considering that the Forsaken, before they got freed from the Lich King's control, did horrible atrocities which they don't want to remember (and they know they definitively did them due to the Lich King's control), then a Forsaken Paladin makes sense.And actually there are precedents for this.You don't need to be alive to wield the light. All you need is either deep faith or a strong will...preferably both.>>747651908You know that we have Sir Zeliek? That guy was one of the four original horsemen of Naxxramas and his faith and piousness were so insanely strong that even in undeath and under control of Kel'Thuzad he retained not only his sanity and morals, but also the light didn't leave him.So yeah. He was kind of an undead paladin.I ain't going to add in Alonsus Faol who is another light-wielding undead due to the fact that he's Legion-era guy (and I pretty much loathe everything after vanilla WoW with WoTLK being the least hated).
>>747652027Bitch please, I listened to all the possible metal genres since God knows how long, yes, even nu-"metal", I'm not handicapped so can listen more than one genre at once. Here's from one of my most favorite black albums.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvSa9CuBUpM
With two names, how many offensive names can you guys come up with that won't violate tos? Things like>Mike Hunt>Phil MiCrack>Seymour Butts>Oliver Clothesoff
>>747652687The Forsaken oppose the Light and follow Sylvanas. Why would any Paladin follow Sylvanas
>>747652659This is the guy undead paladins were made for
>>747648335might as well just remove race and class restrictions at this point.
>>747652687Perhaps the Light should be restricted from literal undead monsters while the LIVING members of the Horde can use it because yknow, the light is LIFE?
What's the best pvp race for shaman, orc still?
>>747648335>We have to exterminate the Alliance and all their people because the Dark Lady commanded us!>but we are really servants of the Light before anything elseSo retarded
>>747652836Jesus Christ don't give Asha any ideas, she's a madwoman she might do it
>>747648335Nothing says paladin quite like an undead plague spawn that is bound by fealty to a nihilistic elf that wants to destroy azeroth and create a new world order
>>747652701enjoying Nu-Metal is like shoving dildos up your ass: gay. simple as.
>>747648335One of the gayest things I have ever seen. Makes about as much sense as NE mages. Its not even release date and they already added shit nobody wanted or asked for
>>747652585how does serving Sylvanas contradict being a paladin? She is a poor, unfortunate soul, robbed of her mortality by the twisted powers of the lich king, helping her and ensuring her continued survival is a noble act
>>747652973You've been posting the same comment worded differently for at least the past hour
>>747648335how much u guys getting undead will be neutral fac? Undead paladin on alliance fighting for azeroth fighting against the Forsaken...could be cool if done right. But from a lore perspective this is the only way it makes sense
>>747652992Like I already said>It's like 2000 again. Some things just never change.Including metalfags gay fantasies.
>>747653051>how does serving an elf who wants to destroy civilization contradict following the LightWould be like a Christian Crusader serving Saladin to kill Christian Crusaders to help Saladin spread Islam
>>747652973Things that the average forsaken wouldn't have known in vanilla WoW, all they know is that she reunited Lordaeron after Arthas destroyed it and cursed them with undeath. They have family members that died in Stratholme, and it wasn't Uther that killed them.
>>747648335Undead pala will only be available for Undead Alliance players
>>747648335Bald man(asmongold) malding
ngl I'm not the biggest lore expert, but I thought undead paladins makes more sense than dwarf paladins
>>747652767Forsaken NPCs oppose the Light and follow SylvanasYour Forsaken character can do whatever they wantWhy is this so hard for you to understand? Are YOU an NPC?
>>747648335Weren't the Forsaken former slaves of the Lich King? How the fuck did they retain their contact with the Light? And where the fuck does Sylvanas start tolerating the Light in her ranks come from? Oh yeah the Undercity, a fucking plague oozing necropolis is a real beacon of Light worship. What the fuck is this bullshit
>>747653135nu-metal faggots can't stop thinking about BBC even when listening to music, typical.
>>747653363You cant though as you are factions locked and sworn to serve Sylvanas to defeat the Light
>>747653363and vampires can walk around in the daytime completely nude. nice logic.
>>747648335paladins and druids in general will be OP. if the talents tree is to be believed rogues and warriors will be bottom tier for this even worse and more neglected than sod, because rogues/warriors are not only getting a bunch of cool new things but their talents are nerfed by 50-60%, meanwhile druids are getting like 4-5 extremely good talents made baseline abilities, its pretty wild.
>>747652684Yeah they said that this vanilla is alternative universe from normal vanilla so people don't get mad over retcons.
>>747650386retard
>>747653320Dwarf Paladins make sense in the sense that they are already devoted to smithing/crafts like its their god. the extension of some Dwarves taking that to religious level and wielding hammers/mauls to battle is sensible as lore idea. Dwarf Hunters make sense as the ranged option due to their size.
>>747653524Warriors look pretty bad, easily the weakest class on launch.
>>747653182does she want to destroy civilization in vanilla wow? from what i recall she is in full survival mode during that time, and the forsaken she took under her protection see her as a saviour and she cares for and loves all her people, its only later on that blizzard contrived her into being a suicidal psychopath
>>747653421Arthas built the Undercity, they live in the Undercity because the ruins of Lordaeron are full of mindless zombies and skeletons.
>>747653589Dwarves have contact with Human and its logical some Dwarves would adopt the Human religion. Its fundamentally nonsense that a former slave to the Lich King and servant of Sylvanas is magically a follower of the Light
>>747653652Yeah the goal of the Forsaken is to create a new order and destroy anyone who tries to stop them with Sylvanas as Queen.
Alliancesissies don't know what's coming now that we get blessings too
>>747651237>wotintellect scales ret damage anon
>Yes, undead paladins using the holy light doesn't break the lore>No, I have no actual reason to believe this other than examples of Blizzard fucking up and forgetting their own lore as they as they often doDon't tell me about vanilla NPCs that were given holy abilities, tell me about why an undead channeling the Holy Light wouldn't immediately reduce them to ashes when that's explicitly what the Holy Light is supposed to do to the undead.
>>747653665why? once you are freed your paradigm shifts, its not as if they were freely under that curse or bound to it. its no different than a satanist fully converting to Christianity after experiencing something far too horrifying for them. "If x is real, its opposite can be real? I'll combat it with the opposite I've heard about forever being spoken about in my country: there must be some validity to their belief if there is some in mine."
>>747653421Why does Thrall tolerate Warlocks? Or the High Executor on the Alliance side? Are we really supposed to believe that they are hiding it with their little imps walking around?
>>747653589A paladin isn't just "someone who follows a religion and fights wearing heavy armor", they're members of an order that was established during the second war that fractured into multiple different groups like the Argent Dawn and Scarlet Crusade. Paladins are alien to the dwarves because of how recent they are, they allowed dwarves to be paladins to represent the new alliance training them to be paladins.
>>747653841Couldn't undead be priest in vanilla? Aren't they also Holy?
>>747653906here comes the ass pull response that every single undead priest that has ever existed was a shadow priest, even though this has been contradicted in-game too
>>747653881so they are more or less hired mercenary/foreign legion with religious themes got it. still makes sense some want the same power/ally with the biggest stick against their new threats.
>>747653906Priests were originally supposed to get their powers from whatever they worshiped, not just the Holy Light. So human and dwarf priests got their powers from the Holy Light, but night elves got their powers from Elune, trolls got theirs from the Loa and the undead got theirs from the Shadow. They retconned that, but this was how it was originally supposed to work.
>>747653841they use one of these guys like a battery so it's technically not them using the light, its shimmery glimmery over there
>>747648335>Undead paladins are not lore friendly...Shut the fuck up niggers it's fucking metal and badass being dead and using magic that is literally tearing you apart but you fr faith is unyielding even in death allowing you to smite your foes against all laws and reasonIt can't be more metal than this shit. Much better than tranny elves and diapergnomes.If the whole game was like this it would be based again
>>747648335>thought we were getting night elf paladins>that was retaillame
>>747654029No, they're priests that were trained to be knights and knights that were trained to be priests.
>>747654085its 3edgy5me and gay as hell
>>747649356>Newfag
>Played Boomkin in Vanilla>Played Boomkin in TBC>Played Boomkin in Wrath>Played Boomkin in Cata>Played Boomkin in MoP>Played Boomkin in WoD>Played Boomkin in Legion>Played Boomkin in BFA>Played Boomkin in Shadowshit but quit because shit expansion>Played Boomkin in Classic>Played Boomkin in Classic TBC>Played Boomkin in SoM>Played Boomkin in SoD>Will play Boomkin in ForeverLove me Boomkin
>>747653864>Why does Thrall tolerate Warlocks?Because they can be useful, but he confines them to the ghetto in Org>Are we really supposed to believe that they are hiding it with their little imps walking around?Yes you are really supposed to believe that. In lore warlocks pretend to be mages when in polite company. If you wanted to roleplay a lore-accurate warlock you would dismiss your demon before entering a town of any kind.
Undead Paladins are honestly more thematic than human hunters and orc magesthey're making a whole subzone for the undead paladins also which is pretty coolI guess everyone here is just complaining for complaining sake though
>controller support
>>747652323They probably will be I can't help myself, it's pretty much locked in as my main
>>747653906Yes. As another anon said, there was an initial explanation that they got their powers from the Shadow. However, I always thought it was way more metal that they were channeling the Light and using it hurt like hell but they did it anyway.
>>747654135Dude I'd commit murder to go back and get a xD Rawr scene girlfriend. It's an antiquated and nostalgic kind of gay.
>>747654075This is the lore justification for Blood Elf Paladins, they're basically just Warlocks that are siphoning power from angels. Blood Elf Paladins even go on a class quest to trap a Demon in a spear. Undead Paladins are closer to being real Paladins than Blood Elf Paladins ever were
>>747653545I need a source. I've seen people repeating it over and over with no reference.
>>747648335"The Light" has been twisted throughout Warcraft's history to such a dire extent that anyone still crying and bitching and shitting their pants over undead paladins hasn't been paying attention.Blizzard was so desperate to try and force alignment equality that they outright made The Light a hostile force in the hands of humans (cause they're heckin bigots against the undead) or a planet annihilating force in what WoD's timeline became. Its original depiction has been so raped and distorted that the clamor for undead paladins has all but made sense. Especially since they handed paladins to TROLLS and played it off as strange dinosaur worship (but it has all the visuals of paladins because blizzard is as lazy as it is disappointing)
>>747649782There is no objective good with light in war craft lore. All you need is devotion and the belief of doing good to wield it.
>>747654201Then surely Sylvannas could see usefuleness in Paladins herself. And Undead Pallys could pretend to be warriors. Or Priests. Or Warrior-Priests. Imagine that :D
>>747654242>human hunterWhat's stopping a person from picking up a bow or a rifle and shooting animals in the woods with his dog?>orc mageOrcs can be Warlocks and Warlocks are just evil Mages in Warcraft.
>>747654242They could make the most thematic and lore friendly Horde paladins and Alliance shamans that were ever written, and I would still refuse to play it because they added in fucking Horde paladins and Alliance shamans again, the fucking hacks.
>>747654376>>747653545He's lying.>That places Forever squarely in what the community has always loosely called “Year One” of vanilla: the level 1-60 world as most players first explored it in 2004, minus any of the raid-tier stakes that came later. It’s not a prequel, and it’s not a “what if” alternate universe box — it’s presented as a continuation of the same original Azeroth, just with room to breathe before the endgame raids start rewriting the stakes.
>>747654242>human huntersnigger whatWhy would Humans not have hunters?The ranger archetype was literally codified by a human>>747654469I was just answering your question, I don't know who you are intending this gotcha for
>>747654510You know that Wildhammer Dwarves having shaman predates WoW?
>>747654242It wouldn't surprise me if they're actual blizz shills trying to deflect from the bluesky elves with easy to counter-argue positions.
>>747654135Well something edgy has to be in the game. Dks are very evil edgy. DHs are the edgy edgy that are le bad but actually le good Le dark hero. Undead paladin is the edge of the edge because he is undead and evil like dk but actually good and is hurt for being good like dh. The ultimate edge.
>>747654523Holly literally says that it's going to have stuff that doesn't happen or didn't happen.
Can't wait to play an UD Paladin on RP realm solely to rustle jimmies
New high def textures, lightingNO transmog, to appreciate items
Can’t believe people are still even remotely interested in worlo
>paladin in classicyou will wear the skirt
>>747653864Thrall isnt a Paladin of a religious ideology
>>747654635Undead Paladins are going to be fucking everywhere in the RP shard, everyone RPs as a hero with a tragic backstory.
>>747649129>Undead PriestThis is fine and been in the game since day 0>Undead PaladinNOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>747654681>paladin in classicI wear this
>>747654591Firstly, you don't play as the Wildhammers. That's like saying that the Night Elves should have mages because the High/Blood elves are mages.Secondly, the point isn't the lore. The point is not having faction-locked classes anymore.
>>747654581>2026>motherfuckers out there that still think a Ranger is a dude that shoots a ranged weaponsome things just never change
>>747654581>I was just answering your question, I don't know who you are intending this gotcha forThat's alright. Some other anon said "why would Sylvannas tolerate Paladins" and I responded back with "Why would Thrall tolerate warlocks" that's all. They have the same answer as you probably know
>>747648335Nucraft trash
>WAAA WAAAA UNDEADS CANT BE PALADINSlet me guess, you haven't played the most recent warcraft 3 expansion? you guys need to catch up on your lore, ignoring lore because you personally dislike it isn't valid btw, you're just a malding schizo
>>747654734>Secondly, the point isn't the loreKeep moving that goalpost
>>747654758Hunters in WoW have animal companions, can fight in melee combat with attacks like mongoose bite and raptor strike, have the ability to track various different types of creatures, and know various survival skills like setting magical traps and marking targets from a distance.
>>747654615Yes, it's called "new content" not "alternative timeline."
>>747654732>bringing this instead of a warriorsorry pal aint happening
>>747654270>I always thought it was way more metal that they were channeling the Light and using it hurt like hell but they did it anyway.This is canonically true for Undead Paladins, so I assume it is also true for Undead Holy Priests
>>747654916Stuff that doesn't happen in the mainline World of Warcraft, anon.
>>747654681The funny thing is that most robes in WoW just look like robes. It almost feels spiteful that the BiS paladin robe looks like a girly dress.
>>747654885
>>747654878Reread my post, friend. That was the point I was originally trying to make.
>>747649239how do you not have any newer references than Korn or Slipknot? What's wrong with you?
>>747654719Thrall is a Shaman, which is a pagan-type religion which was almost completely wiped out thanks to Warlocks not that long ago. He goes to Durotar because of a fucking dream he had with a Prophet in it.
>>747655056https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKaIlT_lK1s
why would anyone want to play a paladin anyway, assuming they dont make huge changes its literally just a main tank healer
>>747653841What a badass picture. Looking at this guy, you just know he’s going to stand in the back of a raid, with a dress on, spamming heal spells!How did Blizzard fuck up Vanilla paladin endgame so badly?
>>747655154They DID make huge changes. They dedicated a chunk of time explaining how they adjusted paladin tanks.
>>747655154Because they buffed Paladin to be a hero class.
>>747655154I like bubbling so all the threat gets dumped on the rogue in my party snd he dies.
>>747654681Human male is by far one of the worst models when it comes to how armor looks on it. Undeads look fresh in any skirt. Skill issue.
>>747655154>assuming they dont make huge changes
>>747655226What part of the game were you playing? Just raiding huh? Horde rogues had a very different opinion of paladins.
>>747655241have they turned paladins into aoe tank gods like TBC?
>>747655226The team wasn't all on the same track, there were people that thought paladins would be able to heal and tank at the same time.
>>747655106ok, I take it all back, can't refute that one
>>747655350They more or less did that in SoD already, but yeah.
>>747650494haven't played wow since wotlk but I agree with this guy, the fact that nelf shaman don't already exist is insane and just further proof that blizzard lost the plot
>>747655350nah, all tanks are capped at 4 targets cause they want people to go slow
>>747655357It could have worked in theory. Healing does generate threat, after all.
>>747655226It's doubly baffling when you consider that Vanilla WoW was probably the only game in existence that treated paladins as primary healers rather than tanky, supportive magical knights or "smiter of evil" damage dealers. In D&D, which they were heavily inspired by, paladins have healing spells, but those healing spells are token at best. The paladin was never a replacement for an actual cleric.
>>747655293UD Male look the best in Leather, and the old classic cloth pvp sets look nice on them.
>Hey guys, remember turtle wow, well we sued them and now you can have the same experience but instead pay us (your friends at blizzard) a $15/month subscription. Oh also the people that completely ruined the game are going to be the ones running it now. Have fun!
>>747655226Jeff "Tigole Bitties" Kaplan was a Warrior main and wanted Warrior to be the only viable tank and best melee DPS in the game
>>747655580goodrealmless alone is worth it
>>747649239
>>747649906This fucker has been around since vanilla. Undead paladins have been talked about since vanilla.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJlVs19-nJY
>>747655610Isn't Leonid just a warrior?
>>747655537That's how it worked in Everquest and they went in thinking it would be the same in WoW. It should be noted that the judgement and seals system was only added near the end of development, paladins used holy strike (on next attack damage boost like heroic strike) and crusader strike (instant damage attack) for most of the game's alpha/beta.
>>747655606instead of realms you get magical blizzard sharding lmao
>>747655748no
>>747654323That’s why we Blood Elf paladins were the best, unlike faggy alliance pally wallys. We had a sword starting weapon (a symbol of war and execution), not some wussy hammer of “justice”. We stole the light and used it against you. Also, we made being a paladin look good with our long flowing hair and ravishing good looks!
>>747649617The dead are aganist the light, this is WC3 lore, wow isn't canon you faggot.
>>747655564Nobody is a healer in D&D adjacent games.But, if we were to draw parallels a D&D Cleric is a lot closer to a WoW Paladin than to the Priest.
>>747648335Blizzard has never taken their own lore seriously.
>>747655779facts don't care about your feelings troon
>>747655806Paladins wield hammers because they deliver divine judgment. Fighters wield swords because they are eg knights.
>>747655596This is wrong, people in the beta thought warrior was weak and it took one dedicated motherfucker, Indalamar, to prove them wrong and demonstrate that they were playing the class incorrectly. He was blamed for every warrior nerf that occurred afterwards.
>>747655831This would have been back in the days of AD&D and 3e/3.5e when a dedicated healer was a bit more necessary.
>>747655843troonbro??
>>747655839True.Night elves in the Alliance? Undead in the Horde? What a load of nonsense.
>>747648335>Undead paladinLmfao holy fuck they cant stop being retarded at every possible way I would bet money a transgender forced this slop through
>>747655580turtle wow was p2wyou know thisi know thisdont fucking lietheir greed got them shut down
>>747655953>dedicated healer>TTRPGAnon... No. Using spells proactively was always a better option.
>>747653501>factions lockedYou are describing a video game mechanic. It is an abstraction that is not intended to represent the way characters interact in the fictional world.
>>747648335Ah yea the fucking rot skins that follow an anti life cunt that vomit plague and bring misery to the world are followers of the light what fucking slop
>>747656129Sure, if you knew to use them. But there were encounters where you basically needed something like a cleric.
>>747648335>Even in death, i still serve.
>>747649239>he doesn't like slipknot
>>747650494>>747655443Shamanism isn't just about being a native, it's a connection with the fundamental elements (earth, wind, fire, water). Nelf culture, lore and society is about a connection to the moon and nature, a completely different axis to the races which have the Shaman ability.This is a poor strawman for the decision to enable forsaken paladins. The Horde's very obvious 'temporary pact of mutual convenience' with the machiavellian, deceitful and untrustworthy Foresaken, was a core feature of the original lore. The attempt to move the Foresaken 'into the light' (or to move 'the light' more towards a position of moral relativism) is textbook Retail slop writing. It waters down the setting. The whales lapping this slop up will be the same people defending the blue elves on plebbit. They just want to consoom.
>>747648335>oy vey goy we are just like you
>>747656482>kills exclusively followers of the Light in service of a psychotic elf cunt that wants to extinguish all life under a new undead order with her as eternal leader>uhh yeah thats just like the lore!
>>747656426Real life religions venerate saints whose bodies are kept in glass coffins and are said to be without putrefaction, without decay.
>>747650325Completely fucking irrelevant to this or WoW or /v/ or any other shit but I am writing this down for a tabletop concept: The equivalent of a warlock pact but it's for some kind of undead being with a good-ish patron. Could either go down the "Seeking power to do something nefarious and keeping them on this plane, only option is to risk "corruption" by a patron with unknowable motives" like a classic warlock gamble or just outright "unimaginably comically saturday villain skeletor/apparently gullible or 5d-chess playing good weirdo deity buddy cop adventure" or maybe just "Good patron -really- needs shit done and the best option is the evil shithead who won't die" Again, got shit all to do with the entire conversation here, just might be fun to let the good guys do the plotting and faustian bargains for once. Shame I'm a shit DM and won't do it justice.
So whats going to be the pvp faction? Humans seem like they are going to be meta again but the others are also good. But considering the racials humans will still be able to dual trinket in pvp without issue. Thats a tough choice, Night Elfs are getting a combat reset too but a troll warlock sounds like it would break the game with that regen. Undead seem like a strong choice for the lifesteal on hit as well, so I dont know.
Forsaken Paladins seems like an odd choice, but then again didn't they let fucking Tauren become Paladins a few updates ago under some asspull? Frankly the fact there's no option for Night Elf Paladins makes less sense after they let Tauren in with some sort of "reflected sunwalker, the mirror of the goddess who's actually Elune" shit. I stopped playing after Legion so I'm sure they justified all kinds of garbage but you'd think some sort of Elune powered Moon Paladins stuff would work just fine for them given how powerful Elune is supposed to be in this setting and her relationship to The Light, but for all I know they retconned everything
>>747648335This class/race combo is the ultimate Cuck fantasy. Everyone who will play it will be despised and probably /spit upon. Let me explain:>Imagine being a heroic human paladin serving Light, Lordaeron and Alliance as a whole.>You are getting slained trying to protect your homeland and people you've loved.>After some time you are getting resurrected as an Undead, but can still use your Holy powers.>Instead of continue to fight these known to you invaders, you join them.>You start to embrace their tribalistic "Culture". Begin to live in disgusting mudhuts, bow to your new orc leaders.>You enjoy being a cuck so much, that you decorate your Holy armor, shield and even your sacred book with the symbol of the demon-possesed beasts that desecrated your kingdom.>You fight your old allies as a fresh Horde mind-broken drone.>Also, imagine a noble holy warrior using canibalize, lmao.Bravo Activision-Microsoft-Blizzard. Bravo
its the 30 year old game free yet?
>>747648335generals belong on /vg/
>When WoW Forever begins, we find the Forsaken Paladins at a time when they are deeply mistrusted by the other Forsaken>You have to imagine that if you are an ordinary Forsaken citizen the only thing you know of Paladins are organizations like the Scarlet Crusade who have made it their mission to torment and destroy all undead, including the Forsaken>Making matters more complicated is the fact that some former Paladins who are raised into undeath don't take the transition well>The act of channeling the light is almost maddeningly painful for the undead, which is part of why it is so hard for some to adjust to life as a Forsaken Paladin>Some of these maladjusted souls will lash out, attempting to destroy or torment other Forsaken, until they themselves are put down>So when we find our Forsaken Paladin heroes at the start of WoW Forever, they are facing an uphill battle to get the rest of the Forsaken, and by extension Sylvanas, to fully accept themSeems to me like a pretty reasonable and cool lore for a class. Probably more well thought out than something like Tauren Druids, but that's been in the game since launch
>>747648335i listen to both and i wouldn't touch a faggotdin of any racebut keep making up scenarios in your head
>>747654860Dont you dare use my panda slutwife for your baitpost
>>747649304IM THE JUGGERNAUGHT, BITCH.
>>747649304WHERE'S THE MOTHERFUCKING BEER?
The Forsaken are bad goys who just broke off the Lich Kang's influence, it does not absolve them from genociding both the High Elves and Lordaeron.There's a reason why the Alliance kills them on sight and why the latter are with the Horde. The Alliance would let ayylmaos in their ranks before undead former citizens.
I want to tank raids but everybody takes it so seriously and I have no clue what I'm doing and its too much responsibility
>>747649418and developers
>>747658061If you're half decent they will suck your dick and make excuses for you as long as you tank stuff for them. Playing tank is easy mode and nobody wants to do it.
>>747648335It's retarded, but the concept of the Forsaken was retarded since its inception. As was the faction war, but classic fags aren't ready for that discussion.
>>747657318>You have to imagine that if you are an ordinary Forsaken citizen the only thing you know of Paladins are organizations like the Scarlet Crusade who have made it their mission to torment and destroy all undead, including the Forsakenthat's retarded though because everyone remembers everything from when they were alivethe bit about them going crazy reminds me of the undead paladin quests from that one private server that died almost immediately
>>747655672The reason shills like Xaryu are so excited is Blizzard just funded these guys careers again for the next 2 years. A lot of those classic wow people were about to go broke if things continued, viewership for TBC anniversary is basically dead. This just juiced up their careers again of course they are excited. It's guaranteed money for these guys for at least the next year. Unless somehow the game dies before then which with Ion directly involved I don't have hope this will turn out good.
>>747657318A reverse DK in a way. Anyway the biggest problem with Forsaken Paladins (ret) is that their 2h weapon animations are a travesty
>>747658437>with Ion directly involvedSeriously. The guy is an autistic raid fag. He has no concept of why the average player liked Vanilla and the early expansions and only directly understands how his guild engaged with the game.
>>747654936>warrior in foreverdid no one tell her?
>>747649239You got me
It's weirdly more thematic than you'd think.
>they're making survival hunter melee instead of being on traps and stingsWhy?
>>747649129Forsaken priests have been a thing since Classic, no reason for paladins to not exist.
>>747658642I mean, even maxed out that's not huge.
>>747658405I liked tanking dungeons in turtlewow as a paladin but I just don't wanna fuck up mechanics and ruin a raid and have it be all my fault
>retail UIewww
>>747658427I think the point is that some dumbfuck farmer wouldn't really know much about Paladins either way. But when you hear about some dudes called Paladins who use the light that burns like hell and they want you dead, that tends to stick a little more
>>747658437>The reason shills like Xaryuwho the fuck actually watches that poopskinned shitter?
>>747659047Almost all you ever do is take the boss to a certain spot and face it in a certain direction. If people rip aggro, it's probably their fault anyway in classic.
is this shit free yet?could pop in for fun AV every once in a while if thats the case
>>747658964I think survival was always supposed to be melee.Hunters are basically WoW rangers, and rangers always had the option of going melee.
>>747659023Explain why they couldnt be playable paladins until now then.
>>747649304NO, MY HELMET! I GOT THAT IN THE FOURTH GRAAAADE!!!
heh... looks like more undead for me to meet out justice with.
>>747659408>>747655327They removed the reckoning bomb.
Guess you'll just have roleplay your undead paladin as a ronin outcast who has to go kill kobolds in elwynn but cant talk to anyone because they keep trying to kill youHave fun
>>747648335I restarted playing wow for 1 month when classic came, and now I'm having the itch again. Maybe I should...
Garek seems like an OC they'd make for Hots or something.I like him.
>>747658964It was originally intended that they be melee dps. Its cool they are bringing that into the game, melee hunter+pet might be a fun pvp spec actually. I always preferred pet classes and having a minion or 2. But I don't think I am going to play this. I don't want to give into the FOMO. Even if I did, I would have to play tank since I bet there will be a major shortage and people will struggle to find tanks within 2 weeks-a month after launch.
>>747659513bot post
>>747659513Garek is like Arthas if he didn't have the opportunity to fuck everything up, so he just ends up being a pretty cool guy
>>747658920This is veneration of the deadThe forsaken are a mockery of the deadAny good forsaken paladin would personally try to kill as many forsaken as possible before being struck down by his inglorious brethern
>>747658964Look how survival plays in retail
>>747649016it's literally free
>>747659242Blizzard was too lazy to make a charger reskin for freeSame reason not every race can be a shaman or a druidBTW there is an undead paladin in Naxx
>>747659508i willi wont raid ever
>>747659237>>747659526I guess I'm just surprised that they're adding original skills rather than borrowing from TBC-Cata like they did for other specs because it doesn't even borrow from Legion survival when it officially became melee. I would've preferred spell damage survival hunter, but I'm probably in the minority.
REMEMBERNO SKYBORNE
>>747659872Where do you retards come from?
>>747659242A Night Elf priestess was inducted as a knight of the Silver Hand in Legion class campaign, but playable Night Elf Paladins are only coming in the next WoW patch. Why is that?
>>747648335kino!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>747649386any paladin that isn't a human breaks lore, because paladins were clerics from northshire who trained in combat after the first war
this will be the horde in wowf
what's the lore for how undead palas don't smite themselves with the holy shit?also, don't paladins have to uphold some ethical code to retain their powers?how could a paladin that fucking eats human corpses remain as a paladin?
>>747659526>FOMObut you can't miss it, it's... FOREVER™
>>747660241they will not replace us!!!
>>747660284>what's the lore for how undead palas don't smite themselves with the holy shit?They do, but they're so cool that they just tank that shitalso, don't paladins have to uphold some ethical code to retain their powers?nohow could a paladin that fucking eats human corpses remain as a paladin?The blood knights cannibalized on a being of pure light and remained as paladins
Nu-Stormwind
>>747659850Yeah, I played it for fun in weekly keys last time I played retail in SL. It was actually a pretty fun spec, but the forever spec looks really basic compared to retail which was grenade spam at the time. Maybe there'll be ranged weaving for survival instead of melee weaving that other specs can do, I have no idea what to expect from it.
>>747658405then you get to 60 and suddenly you cant get into any raids or guilds
>The Holy Light is basically the Force from Star Wars>The Holy Light is basically the Good alignment from D&D>The Holy Light is basically fantasy Christianity>The Holy Light is basically Law from the Moorcock novels>The Holy Light is basically New Age spiritualismI wish Blizzard would fucking pick one and stick with it.
>>747660241And half of them will vanish back to retail. I'll be playing in a no elf guild, it's pretty easy to avoid the retards when they made a race just for them.
>>747648335>Play undead paladinthat's the plan
>>747660465I never had that issue.Maybe try to socialize in a social game?
>>747649995they've finally realized the complaining cozy losers who play retail will never accept any change which makes the game more palatable to othersretail didn't even get a proper cgi cinematic for arguably one of the biggest lore moments in the game's history
>>747660241jokes on youyou wont be seeing shit
Reminder there was always an Undead Paladin in OG vanilla who chilled in Light's Hope. He would comment how he constantly writhes in pain, but its worth it to gank undead.So Undead Paladins existing is lore accurate, the unaccurate part is them being a part of the Horde.
>>747649129they said that undead paladins are actually shunned by the forsaken, because most of them go crazy by using the light and start hunting down other undead/forsaken and that their story in forever revolves around them proving their worth and loyalty to the forsaken and sylvanas
>>747660786>the unaccurate part is them being a part of the HordeThis goes for forsaken as well.
>>747660665Socializing as a tank means filling your friendlist with useless leeches that you don't need and are never available when they don't need you to tank something for them. At best you are getting "poached" by some new guild made by an ESL and full of retards that can't move out of the fire
>>747660786that's a lie I never seen an UD there
>>747660867Skill issue.
>>747660786the existence of the horde past wc2 is retarded but metzen couldn't abandon his green jesus self insert
>>747651928>>COW PEOPLE>>PANDA PEOPLEThose are from WC3
>>747660943Not an argument.
>>747660990His green Jesus self insert didn’t exist in Warcraft 2, larper.
>>747660936He's there, he even shows up to fight death knights in their opening when they raid lights hope
>>747648335>Forsaken Paladin Holy SpecYep, it's gaming time
>>747660992>joke shit>they are from WC3retard
>>747661083This guy?
>>747660867You aren't wrong, TBC classic anniversary is 100% evidence of your argument. That tank shortage was really really bad after 2 weeks into launch. I never saw a shortage that bad. WOWF will definitely have a tank shortage issue and I bet it is going to be even worse. Tanks aren't going to want to deal with all the garbage this game is going to bring. The fact that retail players are migrating to it makes matters worse.
>>747659905Ye one paladin that was forced against his will, a powerful paladin at that, I guess hundreds more in the undead starting zone just makes sense!>>747660112Why didnt undead paladins become playable in tbc or wotlk if they were always a thing in classic. Please explain.
>>747661136That's a warrior.
>>747660693
>>747661136Maybe? shit idk I don't give a fuck about paladins I just remember the one dude in lights hope.
Paladins are just warriors who can read
>>747660093>he doesn't have a stockpile of tokens he got for free by buying shit at the start of an expansion then dumping it when M+ startsit's free
>>747660241bleak
>>747661216he's the only UD I can find
>>747660867No, socializing as a tank is as follows:>join guild>get gear funneled to you>become irreplaceable because they gave you all the gear>convince them to make you an officer>rob guild bank>leave guild>PvP until you get bored
>>747661390>>join guild>as a tankYeah good luck with that
>>747648335I will play Gnome Mage because the new racial looks like a mini radiant spark
>>747661178when was the last time you played retail? as someone that plays all versions i assure you retoiletourists will be more competent than the average classic cretinpserver austists mog them all but all wow players are notoriously retarded
>>747661213>Why didnt undead paladins become playable in tbc or wotlk if they were always a thing in classic. Please explain.Because Blizzard didn't make them playable.
It still has retail UI btw the hideous name plates
>>747661050no shit retard, are you stupid?they were brought back BECAUSE he wanted to put thrall in a game after the adventure game was cancelledhow the fuck did you even come to the conclusion of me claiming thrall was in wc2fucking stupid faggot nigger
>>747661581>pserver austistsPerpetual big fish in small ponds. They wouldn't even clear a heroic raid in retail.
>>747661629you must be blind if you think vanilla ui and plates are better
>>747661286Who the fuck plays retail
>>747661719Good thing we are talking about classic+ then
>>747661690There are people on this board DESPERATE for calling someone a tourist or larper. Like all posts they make in the thread are just raging about how noone played the game and everyone is wrong. It's best to just ignore them. Same shit happens in runescape threads too everytime
>>747650470kek
>>747661623They didnt make them playable because? Go on.
>>747661727The most narcissistic and delusional people possible. Thankfully they are forever contained in retail, they'll shit up this version too but blizzard decided to literally mark them with the shitty new race.
mmos are so cooked that blizz made a competitor to retail themselves
>>747661916How would I know? Maybe they thought retards like you would sperg out in the forums and didn't want to deal with it
>>747660470>ERM ACTUALLY The Holy Light is a poisonous, oppressive force that is hecking bigoted against the brown orcs
>>747648335UD pally is the only thing i like about Forneveri still wont be playing this nuBlizz diarrhea
>>747661581Probably BFA, but regardless the playerbase is going to have all kinds of issues. Impatient DPS, retard DPS, retard healers, impatient healers. I skipped tanking in TBC anniversary at launch and regret it after seeing how bad that playerbase was. But I don't think I have the patience to deal with how terrible this WoWF playerbase is going to be. Not just skill, but the mentality of people.
>>747651098It's gonna be funny watching blue jajas roll on melee items just cause of the crit.
>>747662026More likely because back then it didn't make sense for undeads to be playable paladins.>How would I knowExactly a lot of retards defending this paladin undead thing dont know shit.
>>747660241>the metric fuck ton of undead paladins not picturedI think people underestimate how bloated blood elf numbers became simply because they were the first and only taste of paladins the horde got for a very long time. Paladins have represented the most played class across several expansions now. The class fantasy is extremely popular going across both alignments.
>>747662176Any news on whether you get bonuses for wearing armor of your proficiency? It sucks wearing cloth and leather as mail or plate
>>747649129IIRC Sir zeliek was a paladin or priest so devout in life that he could still use the light even as an undead, but doing so caused him immense pain
>>747649129blizzard writing is dogshitno one that isn't mentally handicapped cares about it
>>747662335Alonsus Faol is in the same boat but it never stopped undead from being priests
>>747662263>most played class across several expansionsI'm pretty sure it's hunter and druid in retail as the dedicated girl classes. Paladin has been a close 3rd iirc.
Why the fuck would I give them money as long as they don't do shit about the woke politics, botting cartel ruining the economy, botting cartel cheating, botting cartel abusing report system to permaban accounts, and even threatening to kill people who try to stop the bots?Fuck you WoW you ruined everything with your garbagr shit game
>>747662354what is this even?
>>747661286I thought tokens didn't work with Forever?
>>747661372Yeah I made it up
>>747661726>you must be blind if you think vanilla ui and plates are betterYes?? Retail plates are korean knock off shit
>>747649129>>747649239>>747651908>>747654731>>747660850Despite this being such a big controversy, the entire basis of this lore isn't actually objectively explained in the lore until WAY after undead paladins existed in some form, in a fucking Ask the Devs answer.The idea against Undead Paladins was simple. The hero class Paladin in WC III had holy light, which healed units and could damage undead units.That was it, no actual lore about it beyond the basic RPG cliche that holy damage hurt "dark" being like demons or undead. Paladins weren't special undead hunting classes they were priests from the 2nd war that learned how to wield a hammer. The holy light abilities were just power from their faith that let them heal and make energy hammer constructs to strike at range; their usefulness against undead was circumstantial and ultimately unexplained.Blizzard didn't actually fucking explain any in-depth reason for why Holy Damage did this at. Hell they still haven't really managed to explain why holy light is even strong against demons either (Their nuWoW cosmic chart places fel CLOSER to the light)It wasn't until an ask the C-dev question on Undead Priests/Paladins where Ghostcrawler said Undead exist as a soul glued to their body via shadow energy and since light and shadow nullify each other that is why it fucks them up. They proceeded to explain undead could use the light but that it was painful for them. This didn't explain why undead didn't have paladins yet. The common fan argument was Priests could channel the light but Paladins had to store it in their body with seals for their techniques which wouldn't work as an undead.
paladins =/= priestsit's a holdover from the early d&d copy pasting where a knight of a diety would be protected from aids but not their clerics
>>747662554Blizzard took the Old lore of Sargeras before he was changed a lot in legion and just slapped it into Starcraft.
>>747659242>playableThe original post talks about writing not playability. You are going on a tangent because you can no longer justify talking negatively about the writing since the writing established forsaken as able to use the light literally day 1.
>>747662775Bringing in WCIII opens a whole other can of worms, namely the fact that priests as a class were invented for WoW. There is no meaningful difference between Paladins and Priests besides their martial training, they wield the same exact magic.
>>747662289Don't remember it being mentioned, just that they added spell power and healling+spell to a bunch of items and there's a new type of generic gear for pallies(and shamans I guess) that has both str and sp
>>747662263So for tanking Warriors are probably going to be the smart choice still, and warrior grinding wont be painful with victory rush and that anniversary free 5% hp regen on kills.
>>747660420Lowkey one of the worst changes because it effectively makes SW the de facto capital instead of IF, one of the worst downgrades Retail ever made.Should have used the Ironforge airport.
>>747649995speaking as someone who played every expansion including midnight and has a shitton of mounts mogs cheevos I would gladly have all of them deleted if it meant Forever ends up being good and blizzard's main focuswho fucking cares in the end
>>747663306I imagine most will opt for a blue elf druid tank given how powerful druids have become.
>>747663573>blue elves can be druidAaaah, now I see who is the target demographic for the $30 race.
>>747662468>as they don't do shit about the woke politicsThey do a lot about it. 100% of it came from them and none from the playerbase.
>>747663717Correct. The people that have been howling for White - Er, 'high elves' that can be druids. Their architecture actually does look like white washed night elf architecture which is kinda funny.
do you fucks even realize forever is not part of the canon? no of course not you stupid rage baiting retards
>>747664652It's WoW so it isn't canon to begin with.
>>747664652It's going to be the new canon. "The Last Titan" is all but prepping for a doomsday scenario in that timeline. WoW's writing and gameplay has shamelessly riffed off other MMOs and them baiting an apocalypse like FFXIV did seems a predictable move.
>>747664652>canonWho cares at this point? Not the fans and not blizzard either
>>747662462>druid>popular>everTf you're smoking.
>>747662638You can get the tokens in other realms, you only need an active subscription. There is no wow token inside classic+ though
>>747664909clearly the people in this thread crying about it
>>747665145It's the second most played class behind paladin on retail at least.
>>747658920>And this is the our Sonperor of Mankind's Room!
>>747665569how many of those are bots?
>>747651739>1/3 of the mages repratoire Mages’ fire and frost spells are “arcane” and come from the twisting nether. Nelf magic comes from the “latent magic” of nature. I.e. the moon is magical, the earth is magical, nature, as an ecosystem, is magical. “Elemental magic” is about bargaining with/harnessing the power of the individual elemental spirits underlying* nature. So a shaman’s fire/frost and a mage’s fire/frost are different. And the “arcane damage” from moonfire isn’t from the twisting nether, it’s from the moon.Lorelet.
>>747661236Same, didn't he have like a pope hat or something? I vaguely remember a stupid hat. But also this was 20+ years ago and don't fucking care about wow.
>>747665569>retailbecause it's the fotm class. these rankings change every expansion because retail niggers don't play classes because they like them but because they're meta. helped by the fact leveling a reroll takes literally 2 hours
>>747665802Honestly they have changed the lore on magic so many times both in game and with out of game books that I don't think any of it matters.One day a druid has to kill a tree because they need the magic to heal someone, the next day the magic just comes to them without cost. Magic changes as the plot demands.
>>747664652forever is wow 2. it's new, better canon. retail is dead
>>747649880Touched a nerve i guess
>>747662638activate token on your retail characteralt+f4start forever clientplay actually good game
>>747662638retard
>>747664652>retail sims player foid upset that retail is on its last expansion and all the cash she spent on her wow sims house is going into the trashAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>There are people who deny that Blizzard's writing has gone downhill
So if this is complete dogshit is it confirmed Blizzard has S tier psychology understanding and they know they can get you to hype up and FOMO their products every 6 months? I have seen so many people eager to spend money on Blizzard shit again and some of these people swore off Blizzard 5-6 years ago and are ready to throw money at them again. It's making me sick. This same shit happened with SOD.
>>747664652It's basically a reset since the retail story is fucked beyond salvation.
>>747648335God this looks cool.And the undead horse mount?There's gonna be a whole new Scourge army with how many new undead players roll up
>>747668650>to the to the creature
>>747669367Great move on their part by opening the whole thing up with retail coded bluesky elves.
>>747669719whoops minor typo
How do they plan on making WoW realmless exactly?The map of Azeroth was built on the idea that there would be servers to control the population of players.But now that that's gone, there's going to be players EVERYWHERE.I guess there's always layering but even payers can get crowded.
>>747670460they said they made a system where you end up meeting familiar faces
>>747670460Layers plus a social engineering system to make it more likely you will see the same people you've interacted with before.
>>747670460Like this >>747660693
>>747670652>social engineering system to make it more likely you will see the same people you've interacted with before.So if I keep ignoring and blocking blue elf's and removing them from my groups they'll eventually fuck off (world of warcraft) forever?
>>747670794Man that would be cool.
>>747670949If that is how it works you just need someone to make a addon that auto ignores based on race.Problem solved
>>747664652Forever is not entirely canon, but Forsaken Paladins are canon. They are in WC3 now and they will soon be playable in Retail too
>>747649129>>747649239The blunder is thematic, not from loreIt implies undead people is not fucking evil by default, and there's an "evil feeling" that's not on the body that's recognized by the light (the good)It actually perfectly encapsulates the gayness of wowIt takes inherent evil and makes it feeling evil.Fel demons could be good, legion spawns could be good, old gods can be good, everyone can be good because there's no "evil" anymore, only "evil feelings"
>>747671617Welcome to the foundation of western morality, that it is actions, not thoughts, that damn a person.
>>747670794Don't spread this knowledge or blizard will charge $ to increase the size of your ignore list
>>747661286And how the fuck do you pay for expansions or the first months needed to setup that, genius?
>>747649617Light literally hurts the Undead! That was a core part of the game mechanics of Warcraft 3! I hate you so much. No matter how brazen you lie, I will never accept this change of the lore. The only reason Undead priests exists, is because the shadow specialization felt appropriate for them.
>>747671839>Me unironically right click ignoring every single elf I see>We've removed the ability to right click ignore as some people abusing the system to unfairly exclude players>Me making a macro for it >We've removed the ability to ignor-
>>747650953>yeah well my character is a heckin snowflake!This is why everyone hates troon narcissists
>>747671747>western morality MUST apply to this fantasy game with dragons and demons because huh-!
>>747651462The Undead faction can't get priests only the Human faction can. I can tell you've never played Warcraft III
>>747671941Being hurt by something doesn't make you incapable of doing that thing.Being on this site hurts me mentally, but I'm still here
>>747672152Would it help you, if I hurt you genuinely in real-life?
>>747672097Tolkien's writings are, while not the origination of fantasy, the foundation of it, and he was very concerned with morality.
>nostalgia goyslopWoW had his time, time to move on manchildren
>>747656378>you are describing a video game mechanic!Yes, because this is a video game
>>747671617WC3 is all about good guys becoming evil and bad guys redeeming themselvesLook at fucking Grom/Illidan/Arthas, the whole franchise is built on this
>>747670794
>>747653652Is Sylvanas properly a corpse or is she more like a Vampire and her body still functions?
>>747671747
>>747659479>Guess you'll just have to [MARKETING LARP]
>>747671325WoW Forever is making racism great again
>>747648335If you're a undead paladin do your healing spells hurt you?
>>747672804That would be cool thematically but gay from a gameplay perspective
>>747672804see>>747671617
>>747672875>rename all dmg spell as "healing X">rename all healing spells as "damage X"I don't see why it would be gay other than icon confusion
>>747672710???
>>747673008She will be free of charge on killing 3 children and your western morality foundation will amount to nothing
>>747673001They should have renamed recolored all the priest spells for trolls and ud from the start too.Keep it as holy damage though for balance purposes.
>>747672445If that's the way you want it, then Undead paladins should be fine because it's all just abstractions and nothing matters
>>747673154I don't even know who she is.
>>747649129>>undead paladin randomly exists before sylvanas even left the forsakenZeliek is an undead Paladin, who retains the use of the Light even in undeath. He was one of the original Four Horsemen in Naxx in vanilla WoW.
>>747669814Elves were inevitable since 90% of players play some flavor of elf
>>747673839They had night elves >Whatabout the horde! What about the horde?If NINETY PERCENT OF ALL PLAYERS were gonna play night elf why would blizzard give a fuck about the horde. >b.blood elvesYes they are recoloured blood elves, quite lazy.
