Looking at Wolverine, this is now more relevant than ever
>no autosavesPasswords existed you can start anywhere you wanted anyway>no hintsThey sold them to you in a book, OP and whoever made this fuckass image is retarded>no checkpoints (One of) the most famous Mario games(released for and played by 90s kids) literally has checkpoints in every stage. >PoP>Fail restartThe most famous PoP game played by 90s kids was sands of time with a fucking undo button>Todays games never end They literally do, single player games can be beaten unless you're exclusively playing gacha/live service singleplayer games, or roguelikes, which the popular ones have stories/endings in most cases I can't speak on Sonic since I've only played BA2 and Heroes but this image and OP are both gay and retarded
>>747648626DSP is 44 years old and he's the target audience for modern games
>>747648626RPGs blew up in the 90s precisely because they circumvented all this and allowed retards to play games.
>>747648626gen z want to be millennial so bad that they can't fact check any of this
>>747648982where are the hints ingame retard
>>747649117They made things obtuse on purpose to sell you a book retard, you're either pretending not to understand or just a dumb nigger, either way don't reply to me again because you clearly didn't grow up in that era.
>>747648982No OP image is right, just try playing a freaking SNES game like Battletoads and you will see how hard those games are compared to all the soft ass zoomer shit nowadays
>>747648626and now the 90s kids are dadgamers playing yellow paint games for an hour every week (the ol' ball and chain am I right fellas? happy wife happy life)
>>747648626From Software did this
>>747648626>No autosavesNot really>no hintsPlenty>no check pointsTons>3 livesYou could earn infinite lives by stage threeYou could even continue after the game over screen. Just git gud
>>747649080RPGS and particularly JRPGs became streamlined over the years, but the earlier shit was really not for the mentally weak.Pic related. It's from Ultima 4. See those germanic runes? You'll eventually be able to read that shit without a chart, in game.
>>747649397>Just git gudHold up. That's the entire fucking point here anon.
>>747648626>posts a game released in 2015
>>747648626arcade game design vs home console game design metal gear, final fantasy, resident evil on ps1 all started the movie game slop trend
>>747648626Zoomies think we brought those gaming mags just for the chainmail bikini titties?
>>747648626you think marvel wolverine is made for zoomers?
>>747648982>>747649070>>747649080>>747649085>>747649117third world op posted this genuinely thinking fortnite isnt more rage inducing than mario games made for kids
>>747649319There's plenty of modern games that have difficulty far beyond anything on the snes. Even more so for romhacks, no one cares about fucking battle toads or ghosts and goblins, no one cares about contra with 3 lives, those games were hard for their time, they aren't hard by modern standards.
>>747649528It might be the point but it's obscuring the fact that old games also had shortcuts
>>747648982>>747649070>>747649080>>747649085>>747649117oh i forgot. third world op also posted this thinking most people on this board constantly dog on competitive multiplayer because they suck ass
I know exactly one person above 30 who owns a snoystation, and that's only bc he got it dirt cheap in a public auction.
>>747649468I can almost read it already
>>747649741>they aren't hard by modern standards.You're a fucking idiot. Go try this level, I bet you will not be able to beat this https://youtu.be/ulGc7Z5l51U?si=37-HcucASy_SP5yM
>>747648626>millennial boomers and gen x mega boomers try to go 10 minutes without sucking themselves off challenge Yes yes, everything good that happened occurred specifically during that period when you grew up
>modern article about the state of modern games vs nes era>it forgets that manuals existed and we'd fucking devour them, reading literally everything, for hints and informationnow every game has to act like the player has never played a video game before, much less a game from the SAME SERIES
>>747649970Piss easy compared to Boshy, or even VVVVV Super GravitonPeople in the 90s just sucked ass.
>>747649970I already beat the game 25 years ago when I was a child. I'm not sure why you're pretending some trial and error, memorization shit can't be brute forced over time. I'm sorry that your greatest accomplishment is finishing a game for kids, but like I said we have significantly harder options for games now, especially when you add in optional modifiers.
>>747649728>rage inducingIt's hilarious that you believe that is the standard games should be judged on.
>>747649868A fine start. Maybe Skyrim and brittania will be for the nords after all. There's also reagent mixing for all your spells, a moon phase chart, and also sacred words for each of the 8 virtues. >>747650040It's way worse than that. Games presume you forgot what you did last session, and will re prompt you. Particularly any game with MTX.
>>747649970the problem with the turbotunnel was how you needed to hit jump before it seemed like you needed to. input delay was a problem with battletoads in general.
Tolerance for failure is definitzly a thing, thats why kods have panic attacks now they fear the idea of even trying
>>747650361you should just say microtransactions. they want you saying that abbreviation because it looks kinda like GPU designations.
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Oh fuck off, we all know why the kids today are fucked. It's because tiktok and reels and shorts tear their brains apart, and they're never forced to deal with boredom.
>>747648982>>PoP>>Fail restart>The most famous PoP game played by 90s kids was sands of time with a fucking undo buttonyes but that image isn't talking about the most famous one it's talking about the one that released alongside mario and sonic
>>747648626>old games were harder!>picture is a Mario Maker level and not anything from an actual old gameWhat did OP mean by this?
>>747648982God I wanted to correct this post but it was so retarded that I gave up
>>747648626>Playing bad games makes you retardedThis is just in,
>>747650557I would go as far as to say most 90s kids never even heard of the franchise until Sands of Time. The 89 version of the game was not that popular.
>>747650406It was easier to try at a time where if you fucked up, only a handful people at most would know. Everything is on camera today and posted as content, that's huge peer pressure to always be "camera acceptable".
>>747650589the mario maker level is created by someone who enjoyed mario as a kid and wanted even more challenge.Are you really incapable of drawing the parallels and finding acceptable implications? you really gotta nail down one perceived contradiction and halt all intellectual thought to address it loudly?
>>747648626this.... this NEEDS to be studied.
>>747650742>mosti'm missing the part in the OP image that said PoP was well-known or any assertion like that.It's a statement of fact that if you played PoP on the NES you were taught to not fuck up lest you be sent back to the very start of the game no different than hitting the actual reset button. And that's all that's being said. And, I *did* play it on the NES, and learn to not fuck up if i wanted to progress.
>>747648626It's amazing to see soilennials turn into the boomers that they claim to despise in real time>Heh, unlike you zoomzooms, we grew up playing HARD games!>Spends his 1 hour of free time a day playing Sony movie games with yellow paint and fart clouds
>>747650776>you really gotta nail down one perceived contradiction and halt all intellectual thought to address it loudly?gotta fit in with the crowd SOMEHOW, right?
>>747650870prince of persia was one of the games that existed and most people were aware of it in some capacity as it would have a version for every platform.
>>747650901Somehow we all forgot that zoomers grew up in the middle of the soulslike craze..
Can we see this psychiatrist study?
>>747650742>The 89 version of the game was not that popular....because it released first on the ancient apple 2. and was in cga on the IBM. It was immediately ported fucking everywhere
>>747651038they're just rhythm games anon. they aren't hard or fair, they're just bullshit.
>>747651003wow sounds like a cool fact that would be far better directed towards the person i replied to
>>747651142Platformers are also just rythm games by that metric. If you don't have enemies that dynamically react to what you're doing, it's a rythm game in a sense. Old games didn't have that.
>>747651142>the enemies able to kill me in 2 hits, like i can to them, isn't fair; it's bullshit>why the FUCK do I have to wait for an opening to do damage without taking any?gen x detected
>>747651242that would only hold if you needed to actually miss every platform to actually traverse the game. read: iframes require that you actually get hit by attacks in order to avoid taking damage.
>>747650870You can just say you're too stupid to understand the original implications. I'll think less of you but you'll live.
>>747651313The issue is damage being unavoidable unless you use iframes. but you know this, hence why you had that strawman locked and loaded.
>>747651360No, it means that you need to be able to perform inputs at the right moment. Because rythm games don't have iframes either, brreaking the analogy.
>>747651464and "the right moment" looks like the absolute wrong moment, as you'll take damage no matter how far you are from the enemy model, because you didn't iframe at the right time (read: when you actually get hit)
>>747651439>damage is unavoidable without using iframeshow is an enemy going to hit me when i've killed it with a bow or magic from a distance? how is an enemy going to hit me if I play agressively and kill it before it has a chance to exit an idle animation?you can just say you're terrible at the game, pops. Plenty have in the past and nobody has given a shit. It's only when you get all whiny and accusational that we tell you to git fucking gud.
>>747651410>kids in the 90's were taught by sonic, mario, and prince of persia that you died and went back to the start if you suckthis is the original assertion. Nowhere does it say that the games listed are of equal popularity, relevance, quality, or longstanding appeal.
>>747648626tik toks never lie
>>747651573>but what about these rare specific instances??you mean the ones they fixed by having enemies automatically "dodge" the instant you hit a ranged attack button?
>>747651410>if you don't misuse your pattern-seeking brain to hallucinate assertions nobody made, you're stupid
how do we solve the zoomer problem?
>>747651562We've already seen earlier in the thread >>747650383 that this isn't a new invention either.
>>747651631>>747651702Again, if you were too stupid to understand the implications of my post, then don't reply.
>>747651715Ban every streaming service that primarily offers videos under 2 minutes in lenght.
>>747648626A psychologist recently explained why OP is such a massive faggot. The reason is simple: his dad ass-raped him.
The enboomering advances...
>>747648626This so called "survey" is boggus, because gen Z itself is super different depending on which one you are talking about.The oldest gen Z are 30 years old, they were born in 1996. They played with the n64 and GameCube, and might also have played previous consoles as they were cheaper at that time, or maybe their siblings or parents owned them.The gen Z ends around 2010 or 11, someone born at that time would have a completely different culture.Early, mid and late gen Z are completely different from each others due to cultures evolving super fast. They don't really share much in common.
Hmm, let's see the most popular indie games right now...Scarlet Skips - One button, just watch titties flop up and downVampire Survivors, Megabonk and other incrementals - Number go up dopamine hit psuedo-gamblingPizza Tower - You literally can't die. Just overstimulation brainrot that gets a pass because it's cartoony and well-animatedSlay the Spire - Card slop no gameplay just more psuedo-gamblingDifficulty doesn't sell in 2026.
>>747651653>i don't use the tools offered to me so those tools are "rare" and "specific"amazing. my Gen X accusation was spot on.
>>747651840This and especially ban fucking tiktok, literally the cancer that makes young kids so fucking stupid
>>747651816which post, self-important-kun? the one saying "naw PoP Sands of Time wasn't like that at all" or the one saying "psssh, who even knew about PoP '89?"because both are stupid and miss the actual original assertion entirely just to play pretend superior for a minute
>>747651760both me bruh. input delay in battletoads wasn't a feature it was a bug. so unless you're saying iframes are a bug...
>>747651921>popular now>multiple games over 3 years oldIncredibly out of touch and you clearly didn't even play them.
>>747651921>most popular indie games right nowyou accidentally posted a list of the indie games that made you mad when you heard of them and you haven't been able to get over.Cheers for including ONE game that's actually recent, though.
>>747651978its funny how soulsfags have all these inane strawmen that allow them to just disregard the inherent flaws of iframes/parry
>>747652068>E..explain it too me I'm too retarded!!!! This isn't reddit, go back.
>>747649085Millennials didn’t grow up on mid 80s games…
>>747652116Does it matter? Bugs can easily turn into features. What matters is the result as shipped.Anwyays, we had hard games then and now, and people have been whininng about casualization since forever. Getting over it is almost 10 years old and the whole game is a big rant about how gamers these days have it too easy and no one wants to play hard games anymore. It was bs then and now.
>>747652194if there's anything i can say about reddit screencaps that's positive, is that I don't think i've ever seen a redditor rely on "you just don't understand what I was implying" so heavily.
>>747651921>popular indie games right now>Pizza Towerwhat are you smoking
>>747652194>he doubled down>probably thinks silent anons are nodding in agreement with him
>>747651881>capitalists
>>747652298>this notoriously hard game was only hard due to poor coding>this is exactly the same as games meme'd as hard that people only started tolerating because ecelebs started sucking them offones an unintentionally bad system, the other is an intentionally bad system. I'm not going to follow your mental gymnastics routine to make them equivalent.
>>747652198I'd like to know how many millennials did not grow up playing tetris
>>747652343because that gets downvoted. here we can just call you stupid and be done with it.
>>747651921Pizza Tower encourages getting high ranks for file completion, which means playing levels optimally without taking damage. If you want to slog through the game with shit ranks then that's on you.
>>747652198Yes we did are you retarded?
>>747648626
>>747653376top is an example that would lock the screen in place until x enemies were dead, thus requiring a notification to move on.
>>747653376What a stupid fucking comparison, only a braindead mongoloid zoomer could come up with shit like that
>>747653464I'm sorry, you were too dumb to notice you were no longer kept in place by loads of enemies?
>>747649070the shortbus also had an audience, what's your point
>>747653376Damn you got the uncs seething already
>>747648982Ah, yes. The famous passwords for Ninja Gaiden for the NES. Fucking retard.
>>747651881yeah okay and who owns the press?
>durrr generational shitflingingthere’s dog shit games every year. hello? people like AVGN made a whole career out of “SHITTY OLD GAMES”
>>747648626This reads like it was written by AI
>>747653376Apples and oranges mongoloid.The one on top locks the screen in and prevents you from moving in many encounters, the devs put up the message to let you know that the screen is unlocked now and that you can proceedI sincerely hope that this image was made by a troll and not some clueless retarded zoomer who actually thought the the upper message was there for the player to not get lost lmao
>>747653564people post this as if that's what is actually written on that tablet
>>747653557the enemies weren't keeping me in place, the screen was.
>>747653464>>747653468>>747653678holy cope unc
>>747653703what's actually written on the tablet?
>>747653376Play M&M6 blind without guides. Come back to me when you beat it and we can talk about hand holding and difficulty.
>>747648626you cant call anyone else dumb if you need chatgpt to make your argument for you.
>>747653859does that mean I can't refer to the 63 page manual either?
>>747653678>needs a hint to understand you should now move, the only logical thing to do because there are no more enemiesIt takes the player for a retard, just like yellow paint. You don't need to defend everything old blindly.
>>747653656There were bad game, but also good games. Today we only have bad games.
>>747654053Anon it would spawn in enemies as enemies were killed until the screen was unlocked. Sometimes just on a timer rather than x is dead spawn y.
The yellow paint epidemic and accessibility shit are made for millennials though
>>747648626>90s kids hadSMW and DKC allowed for 1up farming. Platformers with level-select-replay all do. 90s kids aren't special.
>>747648626>121k LikesBased.
>>747654196>Anon it would spawn in enemies as enemies were killed until the screen was unlocked.So you would say once the screen was unlocked, it would stop doing so?
>>747648982You weren't alive then so why the fuck is your ignorant ass talking? If you were then you'd know OP is right, shut the fuck up you retard.
>>747654275Read the rest of the post.
>>747654492I did, the spawning method is completely irrelevant.
Kids these days are used to talk shit and being disrespectful because they grew up without a father to set them straight. What a waste of a generation. Useless, all of them.
'99 zoomzoom here, probably one of the hardest games i played was in fact a 1992 release
>>747654585and why did the entire generation before them fail to be fathers? nobody ever addresses that part, they just love to point at the symptoms
>>747653601Ninja Gaiden falls under thr category of games that sold you hints via a book, I never said everything applies exclusively to every release ever, cherry picking an example doesn't invalidate my post and you're probably brown and retarded.>>747654371>You weren't alive thenI very much was, all you did was complain about my post like a faggot. Way to jerk off OP though
>>747654527Telling the player no more enemies are going to spawn here is kinda important anon.
>>747654808Not to forget the paid help line that many of those games advertised.
>>747654908Why, don't you trust them to notice that the screen is empty and nothing happens? Are the players that dumb?
Zoomers spend their time in competitive multiplayer games where you instantly die for being exposed for 10 frames. Single player games being made easy like the patented Sony third person "action" exclusive are for the sake of millennials who "don't have the time anymore" but still want to feel like badasses, not zoomers who barely play singleplayer games in the first place
>>747654808>Ninja Gaiden falls under thr category of games that sold you hints via a book,So we are just creating history now? Making shit up? This is why your dad left you.
>>747654989if the screen remains locked, the player should assume more enemies are going to spawn. if the player is left of center, the screen won't move when the screen unlocks.I'll happily keep explaining this until you understand the distinction between this and yellow paint.
>>747655207>hm nothing happens anymore>maybe I should check if I can move onToo difficult, I guess.
>>747654804No fault divorce. Women being whores and fucking deadbeats.
>>747655164Are you retarded? Nintendo Power literally printed full maps and guides for these games, I'm pretty sure I have one laying around at home still too, for NG2. You can stop being retarded any time.
>>747655263the game would often keep the screen locked to build suspense for a boss fight.
>>747655334Guides won't do shit for you in Ninja Gaiden you stupid nigger. You would know that if you played the games you are talking about. I'm done wasting my time with you.
>>747655383>hm nothingg happens, let me check>nope still locked, guess we're not donewooooowwww so hard
>>747655409I accept your concession
>>747655009>Single player games being made easy like the patented Sony third person "action" exclusive are for the sake of millennials who "don't have the time anymore" but still want to feel like badasses, not zoomers who barely play singleplayer games in the first placeYou're seriously insane, these games are made for you braindead zoomer cattle cause as tons of studys show you have a much lower IQ than millennials
>>747655529So now you're dismissing the psychological effect of being told to proceed quickly and then the screen being locked with no enemies on it.is there any such parallel to yellow paint?
>>747648982>Todays games never endI hate my fellow jaded boomers so much for shit like this. I play tons of modern shit thats just 15 hour romps give or take and I'm drowning in vidya, but every single boomer take is>no mtx>no day one patch>no dlc>just something you could play, no fomoJust play fucking nintendo
>>747655409there were tons of hidden powerups in ninja gaiden bruv
>>747655574NTA but he's right, zoomers don't play singleplayer games, IQ is entirely irrelevant in the topic it doesn't matter how stupid the generarion is when the correlation doesn't match up to begin with. Zoomers majority play pvp games or multiplayer "friendslop" games. The sony yellow paint games are for people in their mid thirties or higher.
>>747655617>So now you're dismissing the psychological effect of being told to proceed quickly and then the screen being locked with no enemies on it.Yes, I am, that sounds like the most bullshit thing I've heard all day.
>>747648626Elden Ring is harder than basically every single game that Millennials have nostalgia for.>t. Born in 1994
>>747655574Ironically, odds are most of those pictures were probably made with AI.
>>747655702And now you've just proven you've never played this.
>>747655873Snatch up a little mexican girl off the street, call that Alien vs Predator
>>747655574Games such as stepfather of war and other extremely handholdy games were not made for zoomers. I'm sorry you had to find out like this.
>>747655873No one here has, fuck off and masturbate more to the sign to move on giving you psychological boners from how much they blew your mind.
>>747655995Anon just because you're a particularly stupid child doesn't mean everyone else is too.
>>747655714
>>747656180It is genuinely true though.
>>747655697You're still at fault zoom zoom, you have ADHD tiktok brain and therefore don't have the patience to solve a puzzle and need a tip instantly how it works or you turn off the game you fucking pussy
>>747649619Speak for yourself. My parents were convinced I had a chronic constipation problem, I was in the bathroom with my gaming mags for so long.I changed strategies once my mom started making me use suppositories.
>>747648626No psychologist ever said thisAt best it was a university student
>>747656291
>>747656089>woooow>we saw the sign>it said move on>but then NOT MOVE ON>woooow it was so peakYou fuckers were as retarded as the people being amazed that a picture could move.
>>747656361It is not even the hardest game out. Elden Ring is just the perfect example because it has sold, what, 20-30M copies? It is a household name among any 'hardcore' gamers and is not some kusoge doujin title downloaded by 5 people in North Korea. A mainstream smash hit is way harder than fucking Mario or Sonic (AKA the other super popular mainstream games released back then).
>>747656382you just sound upset you missed out. but that's odd considering even phones can run mame now.
>but you could farm lives>but guides existed>but the internet>but [insert game I played as an adult is harder]I can tell some of you fags didn't actually grow up gaming in the 90s and you never rented random nes/snes gamesThe whole point of the thread is that the experience kids had in the 90s is way different than the experience kids had after unless you're one of those weirdos who was born later but only had access to a nes/snes and no internetPic related would kick most kids' asses and some adults' asses too
>>747656494Here comes the giant punch! Get ready! Here we go!*Presses invulnerability roll* Good gamer!
>>747653464>>747653468>>747653557No. The go symbol is to make players go FASTER, not guide them. It's a coin operated arcade game. time played per quarter is something they're trying to optimize.
>>747656617The Gamefaqs ascii maps for ER would have gone crazy
>>747656589The oinly reason it didn't kick everyones asses back then too is because kids didn't have anything to do and it was either that or sticking their fingers into wall sockets again.Which is to say, the real reason kids are dumb now is an infinite supply of boredom killers.
>>747656725avp, golden axe, etc, didn't have a timer system.
>>747656339>You're at fault zoomerI'm in my mid 30s, I'm not a zoomer, and zoomers aren't the target audience of the game. Companies can see who's buying them and know the demographic they're marketing towards, it's not gen Z. >Y..you can't solve a puzzleMy favorite game of all time is Void Stranger, which I've 100%d. You should kill yourself instead of fighting with a boogyman in your head.
>>747656589Exactly, these clueless zoomer retards don't even know when we played those games the internet barely even existed, if you're stuck either you can figure it out or you're fucked, there was no way to look shit up
>>747648626> "a psychologist"> no name given> no sourcesJust some millennially stroking himself. Games today are still hard, the only real factor is that "easier" games sell more to less interested gamers, while gaming-types, which are independent of generation, seek out the fewer, harder games.Are we really pretending kids today don't play Elden Ring as much as 80-90s kids played games with no savestates?
>>747652650Oh no not my points.Not my report card.
>>747655930You know. You're a dumb frogposter, but you're alright sometimes. Stay the hell away from my family though.
>>747656759Those things were so aids to read, same with walls of text as directions, I always felt lost trying to follow them for KH2
>>747656850There was.They printed it into the manual.Call here and we'll help you (only $x per minute)
Kids these days are unable to stay focused on a game. They literally can't stare at a screen for more than 10 seconds. They can't just sit down and play a game for hours and hours. Exploring and figuring things out. Finding secrets is so rewarding and fun, but kids will never know because they play with a guide open. I pity them.
>>747655930does doing that in mexico make me a predalien?
>>747656781Doesn't need a visible timer to push for the target time, not too little, but especially not too much.
>>747656975you're why voice acting should've never been added to video games
>>747657018No, it makes you El Primo, and you will be assigned a little old lady to follow you around at the quininera.
>>747657079Sorry that I was 10 when the game came out
>>747655714It's an RPG that's designed to be easily broken. If you just roll spammed your way through the game and never used summons, buffs, shields, etc you're an idiot. The game is easy.
>>747656791>Void Stranger>Release 2023Please stop talking you absolute fucking tool, if you're stuck at a puzzle now you can easily look it up on the internet, when we played the SNES games there was no chance for help, you could ask a friend but that's about it, you're dumb as shit for even comparing these two generations, we millennials had it MUCH harder
>>747657196Also we went to school barefoot through the snow! Uphill both ways! Kids these days don't even know what snow is anymore!
>>747657156i was reading at a higher level at ten than you can now
>>747657254>Kids these days don't even know what snow is anymore!They don't. It requires leaving the house and looking up from their phones. Impossible.
>>747657334Also the last couple generations kinda fucked the climate and now we're lucky to even get snow anymore.
>>747657196It's incredible how retards on this website will desperately try to invalidate you as soon as they're wrong. Yes it's closer to a 2024 game since it released in December iirc, I understand that (You) need help in games but not everyone uses guides, Void Stranger is a game best played with a notepad due to how information works. >UHH US MILLENNIALS HAD IT SO HARDPicrel, I isntalled steam to play Dota2 in 2012 after I graduated and my ps3 broke. I'm not sure why you can't accept people in their 30s aren't all jaded niggers like you, some of us actually like games, love them even. You're just a passionless faggot who can't get over their childhood.
>>747657394Climate change isn't real, dummy. One volcano eruption releases more CO to the atmosphere than the entirely of human history. Also, CO is good. Trees and plants love it. They need it to survive.
>>747657258I doubt it but it's possible considering I mostly read light novels, and medical papers with little inbetween.
>>747653108Millennialbros...
>>747657592If you were old enough, you'd be able to tell. Shit's fucked and nothing here is built for it. Here's hoping AMOC collapses, sucks to be the ocean but at least it'd save us here.
>>747648982faggot.
>>747657196Correct. People don't understand the paradigm shift that happened in games after the 5th gen along with the growth of the internet.
>>747657705I'm 37 years old.
I've wondered if there's some truth to this. Games adding auto play, invincibility, impossible to lose scenarios or skips, etc.I get it from a marketing perspective you don't want any player to feel like they lost. But this can't be good for personal development to be coddled to such a degree.
>>747657775You got the timeframe right, but not the cause. It was the PS1. Using CDs instead of cartridges meant virtually unlimited storage. Suddenly, there was no need to reuse everything as many times as possible anymore. You could make a game that just keeps going, telling a long story, showing off many places.So there's no more need for the difficulty that covered up how short old games were by making you play the same shit over and over and over again.
>>747648982first post faggot post
>>747655930you zoomers are alright you know that
>>747658025There is but it's not a generational thing. The attention economy has completely shifted and as a developer you have assume the audience is on their phone if they aren't engaged for more than 5 minutes. While zoomers and now alphas are the common scapegoat this, happens to millennials and up too. It affects everyone. Even boomers, who used to be stalwart EVERYONE IS ON THOSE DAMN PHONES NO PHONES AT THE DINNER TABLE REMEMBER WHEN DINNER WAS SACRED AND WE TALKED ABOUT OUR DAY are now on their phones at the dinner table.
>No autosaves. No hints. No checkpoints. >Mario, Sonic and Prince of Persia>fail, restart and endure All this progress we’re supposedly making with AI but it still can’t slop anything together without making it groups of three.
>>747648626>nobody has pointed out that’s an AI written script The rules of three, comparing two things like “X is A, but Y is B)
>>747658580>developer you have assume the audience is on their phone if they aren't engaged for more than 5 minutesI wonder if it would make a difference if enough people just decided to drop that notion. Can it be undone. Probably not lel
Larpers always call Mario games easy when they are not.
>>747659008A few do and ones that do usually end up praised because people are tired of having their intelligence insulted
>>747658971>>747658840Don’t worry I caught it, I just forgot “autosaves, loot drops and constant rewards.”
>>747651881Not gonna lie. I dont want to work anymore.
>>747659450Work has always been a means to an end for everyone who isn't a psychopath, the narrative that people used to work for the sake of work is retarded.
>>747648626the real point where mario died was when they added saves to World which turned the game into just this sloppy casual thing that everyone can beat no matter how bad they are as long as they keep playing
>>747659576If you've ever worked in a factory you'd know older people work for the sake of working. When they retire they nonstop bitch about how bored they are, I genuinely don't get it desu
>>747651881It's like working sucks.
>>747659640That's what happens when you make work your identity because you got nothing else going on in your life and overtime is better than to meet the wife you've hated for the last 30 years but can't divoce because what would the preacher say?
>>747659640That's because they never developed a personality beyond working.
>>747653376>>747655263>idiot unintentionally confesses they were lost going right in an old beat 'em up arcade gameLMAO
>>747659640>Boomers are psychopathsChecks out
>>747659640These people are actually very important to society, the problem is when they're in control they think everyone is just like them and those who aren't can be fixed
>>747653564Looks like a piece of chex mix
>>747650506save him
>>747649728>fortnite isnt more rage inducingYou problem. Let me guess? You also cry when you see GGEZ?
How many zoomoids or gen alpha do you think can clear Super Mario Bros 1 on the NES? Give me a percentage. They're given a day.
>>747648626thats not even a real level you retarded dickstick
>>747648626Sonic not so much since you could fleece up all the continues you neededBut for its' time, it was hard
>>747660191If you locked them in a room containing only the NES, the TV, and a handful of books they already read? Most, probably, once they're done coping with the first time being truly bored in their life.
>>747660334>If you locked them in a room containing only the NES, the TV, and a handful of books they already read?lmao they would hang themselves before reading anything longer than 2 sentences.
>>747648626As a zoomie (older kind)I always find hilarious how millennials turned out to be really just a pack of privileged faggots that blame everyone else but themselves. They think boomers and genxers own them, so they design shit that's so against what they did that they eventually make it simpler and easier for zoomers and alphas and taking all the credit for that, but seethe astronomically when they see that people born into these simple concepts, are obviously all they know.YOU made games simpler in your search to stick it to the previous generations. YOU were the ones born into these systems and rewired them out of your own experience.
>>747660334>If you locked them in a roomNo that would be too easy. They can stay at home or wherever they want, but they're given a TV, an NES and a copy of the game and told they have 24 hours from the moment they get the items.
>>747648626Constant failure didnt train completion as well. It trained dropping games when you bored.
>>747648626Complete astrology/taro-tier bullshit one - zoomers played that shit, too, had DSes and 3DSestwo - battle royale games are BRUTAL like fortnite - it's basically a roguelike with one lifefortnite specifically - baby zoomers NOLIFE building, it's fucking insanealso not shitting on millennials but even though older millennials played these brutal SNES games, a good chunk grew up to be absolute soulless soiboys and kucks and nintddlerslike ones outside america are fine, but american ones are insane, at least half of them - I think it's the retards who were hipsters back then - these faggots know no strife, but normal millennials are normal and pretty based
>>747660686What I'm getting at is that this effectively a huge handycap for them. If millenials had access to tiktok instead of NES as kids they'd have wasted their life on that shit, too.
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>>747648626man, we really need a separate board for computer vs console.seriously. we had save games from the fucking 80s. just because consoles had no memory and couldn't save more than 3 times or whatever doesn't mean there were "no saves"and arcade games had infinite continues
Autosaves are bad game design because they remove agency from the player. Them existing is fine in a vacuum, but manual saves should take priority.Of course there are exceptions to this and if you design your game with autosaving in mind, for example some kind of roguelike that autosaves after every decision, that is fine.What I hate is getting penalized for exploring.
>>747648982Bodied those freak ass boomers
>>747653564Misread it and thought it said>The fappening is fast approaching
>>747661393>this nigga had infinite money
Half the thread is attacking the actual discussion point cuz it's dumb.The other half is retarded zoomers on mog-brain mode throwing a sissy fit about how nothing is their fault in spite of everyone defending them through the above point anyway...
>>747648626games nowadays are difficult in different technical aspects its not rocket scienceliteral apples and oranges
>shit bait>280 replies
>>747648982bodied these 40 year old childless virgins.
>>747660731Good games don't get boring even when constantly failing.
>>747659640>the perfect goyim
Uncs be like "we didn't have hints or hand holding" then play a game with massive flashing arrow with loud sound effects telling you to move the only direction you can move
Because they're from a generation with no hobby except watching braindead tv programs and refuse to try anything modern. Today with internet and modern computing you have access to more potential hobbies than you could ever fit in your lifetime.
>>747665753>>747659640
>>747648626>seething underachiever millenial who did not grow out of video games seething about zoomers (gen alpha) on a zoomer website post #3123442
>>747667567did your zoomer relative lose virginity before you or something?
>>747648982Money grubbing publishing companies like Brady entered into dark bargains with game makers who were encouraged to add things that were almost impossible to find organically in order to sell books. The internet ultimately cooked this golden calf but for a period between the late 90's and early 00's the strategy guide was king.
>>747665753You tell 'em, lil bro.
>>747648626Completing games sucks though, I would rather play until it gets boring and then play something else instead.
>>747653464It's also on a linear 2D plane. You simply keep going from left to right to begin with.
>>747661124I accept your concession.
>>747648982Yeah bro. I'm. Sure kids can clear Wizardry 3 on their first try. Homm3 hard difficulty campaigns. Any nes platformer that isn't Kirby. I watched my nephew trying to play Classic Megaman and it was painful. For him
>>747670313Depends on the game. If its some friendslop thing where you just do a disposable samey mission over and over it doesn't really matter if you 'progress' whatever arbitrary systems they have in place, you can drop it whenever.Story games though I find this approach strange unless you don't like it enough to drop it, it seems odd to pick up an RPG or a game like Cyberpunk or Witcher and not want to finish it, even if you have to drop the difficulty and play it purely as a visual novel.
>>747670701None of those things are harder than winning 1vs1 against a good builder in fortnite thoughever
>>7476489828/10 bait, you didn't play old games or the old games you played were in the ps1 era. Not worth correcting, it'd just make your next bait more refined.
>>747671067Only website where some random nigger will tell me what I did or did not do growing up just because it disagrees with his retarded opinion. 0/10 reply, you've never played a game ever and should be ignored for being a retarded faggot.
>>747648982This is correct. OP isn't describing 90s kids, it's describing 80s kids. Games like Battletoads, MegaMan and Castlevania are brutal - so much so, I wouldn't even call them fun. They had to constantly fuck you over in order to make sure you didn't beat it in 20 minutes. Meanwhile, going from NES to SNES, games like Turtles in Time, MegaMan X and Super Metroid are ballbustingly difficult, they're totally reasonable and fun.
>>747656589I had this game. Could pretty consistently get to the final boss (the giant robot coyote) but could never figure out how to beat it.Fuck the space level with all the teleporters.
>>747654275You forget the part where enemies were not restricted to leaving the screen so they could go even further left and off the screen a bit. So you could be waiting for one to leave the confines of just outside the screen so you can kill them.
>>747655574https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiB423i1NrMModern games are being made for brain dead old farts that just want the game to play for them, zoomies want their games to be faster, not slower and more hand-holdy.
