APOLOGIZE
>>747658084not paying more than $500 for gaming hardware
>>747658084Thats very expensive for what it is.You can get the Q3 and a PC for that much.You can get a PS5 and a Switch 2 for that much.They should have just ditched the internal bullshit this garbo has and sold it for half as much as a dedicated headset.
>>747658440This.I'm sorry but I cannot in good faith defend the STRAPS being 60 dollars. Gaben is taking the fucking piss
>>747658084I never doubted you Zuck-sama.
oink oink gaben nigger, the pump is getting tired.
Source your unwashed cheesy dick
>1k€ is good actuallyWhy are steampiggies so raped?
The shitpost threads had me prepared for so much worse.
>>747658084All that and no power cable even included
>>747658979The shitpost prices weren't far off. Remember 1200 used to be the joke price...
>>747658931remember?>cheaper than valve indexjust checked the usual channels, a lot of dick sucking
>>747658084>see guys we made it cheap!>oh right also we REALLY recommend these things sold separately
>>747659360>just checked the usual channels, a lot of dick suckingOnly on the foveating streaming techLinus and GN are shitting on everything else
>>747658084>$1059 for a Wii successor
>>747659523my fault anon, i meant channels like reddit/x/etc. haven't bothered with the reviews yet
>power supply not includedget fucked søîcuck
>>747659438so really it's $1200/$1450
>>747660218$1350*
>>747659954>power supply not includedwhaT? seriously?? im at my breaking point. Im not sure how long can I take this anymore.
Damn, not including the power supply is inexcuseable and I defend the steam deck and controller. What the fuck were they thinking?
>>74766072860 dollars for straps too
>>747660341Do you not have a 45watt charger? How is that possible? Are you retarded?
>>747658084based gaben, dabbing on zuckolds
I kneel
>>747658084Why is the “dev kit” locked behind getting one for free with Gaben’s blessing? I’m fine with buying it but I still need like, the sdk and dev information.
>>747659727Reddit hates it because>LCD in 2026>close to galaxy XR price with half the resolution
>lcd>no fast charging>shitty performance>50 minute standalone playtimethanks, but i'm sticking with the quest 3 + $400.
>>747661000Fucking retarded. I'm definitely not going to have any optimism for steam hardware going forward if they're going to pull console-tier piecemeal jewery like this. Fuck em.
>>747659438>not including the power supplyShouldn't this be illegal?
>>747658275Is a quest 3 better image quality wise?
>>747658084>"they trust me, dumbfucks"
>>747662098Can't you jail break it?
>>747659048I was budgeting for an april release and I kept budgeting when nothing happened. I was fully mentally prepared to drop 2k on this thing and hate it.
Forget the Quest, the Frame is even more expensive than the boutique meme headsets like the Bigscreen or Crystal. What the fuck is Valve doing?
>>747658084I still like my Pico 4 I got for $400. 4k (not that it means much these days), wireless or wired. Not as heavy. No wall sensors, just headset and controllers. I'm not sure what modern VR has to do to be over $900
>>747658726It's up on steam you dummy
>>747662227Yeah, Valve really said "fuck it" chossing to release it like this. It's pretty disappointing because VR with seamless SteamOS seems like a no-brainer.
So should I just get the pimax dream air now that the frame is a flop?
>>747661984It’s about the same size/type of lenses. The frame has a better chip by like 30%, and double the ram.You basically need to buy the third party attachment for full color pass through. I have no idea what they were thinking not including something that’s been standard for years and years now.
>>747658084>£1089what the fuck whyflat pricing across the board is bullshit
>>747658084So like can i connect it to my pc with a cable and use my pcs power or is it another one of those gay standalone ones with shitty wifi pc connection and input lag?
>>747662471>The frame has a better chip by like 30%, and double the ram.Does that matter if I just wanna use it as PCVR and not standalone?
>>747662313(same ad fag)Pico 4 doesn't have an audio port, so you're stuck with open speakers. Unfortunately, all my porn has had to be on mute.
>>747662285refusing to subsidize shit at all because they believe in some sort of survival of the fittest thing when it comes to VRI don't think that's wise and its partially why Zuck ran amok over VR but it is what it is
>>747662423Similar question. This was going to be my first VR set. What sets are THE sets to watch going into November?
>top strap (manufacturing cost: $1) for $60valvetoddlers BTFO
>>747662727I don't think anyone is defending this. Consolewar tactics are obnoxious.
I hope one of Gaben's yacht sinks
>>747662550Bluetooth earbuds are like 10€ at Lidl
>>747662528A little bit. The quest 3 struggles to decode high bitrate streams (400+mbps).
>>747662423If you only play racing sims yeah. I think the tracking jitters even on lighthouse is a dealbreaker.
who decided to put this fat retarded bitch on the fucking coverwtf volvo?
VR Chat standalone?
I'm sure the Quest 4 will have eye tracking and the same wireless dongle for a few hundred cheaper. I'll just wait. The foveated streaming with eye tracking are the only things that set this apart from a Quest, and Quest will have way better passthrough. There's no way they don't copy this for Q4.
>>747663446They always use the most ill-fitting everyman actors possible, I think it's some kind of joke but they do it in the games too to greater effect.
>>747663417The fact that there isn't a single "good" VR device, and you just have to pick the one that is "least bad" just shows VR is still a joke
>>747663485Already exists. It's pretty decent if people have optimized avatars.
>>747662727i dont even think apple was ever bold enough to try this
>>747663446she looks like she has her milkers hanging out
>>747663587It's kinda the same with monitors isn't it
>>747658084With the Quest's OS and dogshit streaming quality, you're kind of paying $600 for junk, so not a comparison.t. Quest owner
>>747658084
I don't particularly care about the price, but are there even any VR games by now? I think there are genuinely less than 10 worth playing.
>steam frame cant be used without a steam account>login requires some kind of phonefaggotry with trooncodes and shitill pass on this one
Is it worth putting myself in the lottery anyways? If I decide I don't want it I can just scalp it?
>>747662727valve knows their goyim will defend literally anything and still fork over money like how they defend banning literal games rated all-ages only because they are japanese
>>747662528Yes but not really.
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>>747664110Yep there's no games please leave the lottery queue now
>>747662660If money is no issue, galaxy XR is still the best.But meta is doing some event in the next month or two so maybe not for long.
>>747658084>"cheapest" good headset by far>all you have to do is sign away the rights to your voice, face, privacy, environmental data, and childrenno thanks
>>747664243One hour of fun
>>747658084I wish they released a version of the Steam Frame that had minimal hardware and was only for Streaming PCVR. Literally that's all I'm going to use it for. It's so expensive because the hardware it natively uses is like nearly Steam Deck tier. If they made that I'd make the upgrade from my Quest 3 but for the current price its absolutely not worth it, even though I fucking hate Meta and making me deal with their shitty Meta OS software.
>>747662528>>747663329no.
>>747659438ahh so valve learned from the eck, people were so turned off by the price, just make it look cheap while offloading the TRUE price as a separate purchase
>>747664243>overpriced piece of shit for being literal phone hardware>always-online DRM thanks to valve login faggotry>no games>key accessories not included AND overpriced, like the literal fucking power brick>dogshit battery lifeit feels like karma once again is slapping westoids over every single switch 2 doomfag and misinfo point they used in the past year
>>747664346Valve is not using open source software and is taking the same data you absolute dolt
so uhhh, what do you play on it?hard mode: no alyx or beat saber
>>747664654>just make it look cheapwould have been nice if they did that
>>747662471>The frame has a better chip by like 30%, and double the ram does it matter that much if i want to use it as pcvr anyway?I waited for frame, but its just a little much for me for now. I think ill bite the bullet and get Zucc'd.If i sign in and get picked, i can still resign later, right?
>>747664680SteamOS is arch linux and they do not datamine, the occasional hardware survey is explicit and opt-in, telling you exactly what data they're collecting before you click send if you want.
>>747664705Use the wireless for games like Tea For God and Eye of the Temple room scale. Non-room scale VR is shit.
>>747664818>archew
Steamsnoys are legitimate cultists, holy shit.
>>747664705simracing its the only use case of a vr headset
name one good reason why the power supply should be includedit's better for the environment not to include it
>>747664768>does it matter that much if i want to use it as pcvr anyway?Potentially, yes. They're experimenting with a new codec for wireless streaming called pyrowave, iirc. But if we hear about it, it will be like a year + post launch.People tried a hackish way to get it to work on Quest, said it looked amazing but drained battery fast.
>>747664243how have we come so far as a society and still haven't figured out faggot battery tech that doesn't last longer than a fucking hour, pisses me of so much
>>747665173because more energy = more bombyyou don't want a bomb strapped on your head... do you?
Steam Frame is for people who do everything but gaming on their VR. If you want to play graphically intensive VR games you will still need a cable, at which point you may as well get the Index as it has better controllers and better fidelity with PCVR.
>>747664705Half Life 2 VR mod
>>747664132I hope you're only pretending to be retarded
>>747665383Isn't the index like a decade old by now?
>>747665383>the Index as it has better controllers and better fidelity with PCVRno it doesn't are you fucking stupid lmao
>>747665049When why are you even looking at Valveslop? Get a wired headset for 1/3rd of the price or a much better dumb headset for the same amount of money. Frame is solely for the VRC cretins.
>>747658084Does VR still only have Alyx?
>>747665383I thought the point of foveated streaming+rendering was to eliminate that need
>>747665502Nah there’s a lot of good shit. It’s just not mainstream.
>>747665528Foveated rendering brings only 10-20% framerate boosts. It’s there to enable streaming without completely shitting the bed in terms of compression. Anyway there are tethered options with eyetracking.
>>747662640I can understand and respect having a rigid belief like that. But like, there is only one thing seemingly everyone in the VR space has been waiting for and thinking will "save" VR and its the new Valve headset. So refusing to subsidize it imo has kind of killed VR. Maybe in 10 years it'll have another moment like the Oculus kickstarter but today it has effectively died.
>>747665587What're your picks?
>>747664038>blinking instead of licking his own eyeballsfake
>>747659438>light blockerI don't get it, is that included or not? Why make replacements for something that specfiic?
>>747662528>>747664768You can play the Quest 3 wired. So the question is whether a wireless, untethered experience is worth around $600 to you?
>>747662285Leaning into their brand which will undoubtedly work. Valvefags are barely sentient.
>>747665502all the best VR games are still VR-supported rather than VR-native, and they are still 10+ years old games
>>747665825No! I still hook up my PC through ethernetMiss me with your death rays
>>747661934It doesnt use a proprietary charger you probably already have a charger that works with it
>>747665929Based and reasonable hater of wireless cancer communication
>>747662528You should unironically euthanize yourself for even looking at standalones if you never plan on using the main feature driving up the cost of the headset. You can’t be expected to handle your own finances nor should you leech off your parents for the rest of your life. Oven and head NOW
>>747665702Anyone that thought that Valve was going to "save" VR is deluding themselves. Big commercial VR came and flopped. The subsidized console business model failed. Trying to do it again would be insanity
Is Valve sharing or open sourcing their foveated streaming to other headset manufacturers? If not, I don't see the point in not subsidizing this piece of shit.
>>747665708Into the Radius, Metro Awakening, Walking Dead Saints and Sinners, Blade & Sorcery, In Death, VTOLVR, Beat Saber, Pavlov, Gorilla Tag are all games I play multiple times
>>747666073Foveated rendering is already supported via Steam and APIs like OpenXR. Only a few games support it because there are only a handful of headsets capable of eyetracking and frankly the VR scene is dead.
>>747666036why is steam selling a standlone then? you can't even use steam without a PC
>>747666053If our economy wasn't gay and if all sectors of the tech industry didn't spend the past decade doing nothing but making spyware, then we would have nice things like worthwhile VR, because if the annoyances like comfort and price weren't standing in the way, I think most people would want it in addition to traditional games instead of seeing it as spite to them
Alright faggots, give me a cheap PCVR alternative then. Wireless ONLY. I've heard bad things about Meta VR's wireless
>>747658084Finally, I can goon on Skyrim on Linux without Zuck looking at me.
>>747666271Not every PC is a PCVR capable PC and newfags are running amock with Decks but no desktops.
>>747666368Nah, VR is just shit and people don't want itMeta went all in on VR because it's a great way to deliver ads and spywareIf VR was good we would have VR, but honestly the tech is still not there
>lcd instead of oledinto the trash where it belongs
>>747666053There's no way current gen VR was ready for the masses and trying to force it to be that way just burnt the ecosystem.That being said this is the first time in the history of VR that VR actually worked properly instead of being some basic stereoscopic bullshit so it wasn't a total loss
>>747666473>>747666368Also don't forget they had Carmack working on this shit and even he couldn't get a good product out>>747666487This, imagine playing HL:A with all those "dark: scary areas and all you see is gray and the light of your room seeping in
Played some Alien Isolation with my PSVR2 and frankly it’s not any more immersive than a large monitor. VR is still only useful for driving and flying sims where I need headtracking and my hands are occupied.
>>747666376It's this or Meta and that's it. Nobody else did wireless PCVR, besides the gen 1 wireless adapter for Vives.
>>747662285nigga those aren't wireless
>>747665702>>747662640It's not a matter of belief, it's just not a sustainable business model and creates a financial trap for them.
>>747666636Guess I am buying the frame then. Kinda sucks when the sole selling point is the dongle but whatever, I simply won't use a fucking cable
>>747658084The big upgrade over the Q3 are the joysticks. None of the retards reviewing the Frame mentioned it, but the sticks alone put it miles above the quest and their dogshit sticks that can develop drifting in two weeks.
>>747659360>cheaper than valve indexTechnically
Will buy it. Will also leave a petty negative review on alyx just to complain about the FUCKING $70 STRAPSThat's just highway robbery, only Nintendo is allowed to get away with that kind of scam here
>dongle wifi is 8m and can't go through walls>my router can reach beyond my housesomeone explain
>>747666764The H3VR guy called out the joysticks for being shitty because they're off the center-axis.
>>747666856is your router 6Ghz?
>>747666856Higher frequency means less penetration.
>>747666963Not the way I do it
>>747666856The higher the frequency of the signal the less it can penetrate objects or walls but the connection is faster
>>747666856Can it go through 1 (one) wall though?
>>747661984No and it isn't as performant either. Granted, the Frame isn't MUCH better, but it is still an improvement.
>>747663716They actually were. AVP only came with a back strap by default, a top strap was sold separately.
>>747666702shalom rabbi
>>747667184Look how fashionable that looks though, steamies would never
>>747661934nigga I know yo uhave 10 usb-c chargers in your house right nowif not just buy some 100w usb-c brick for like 50 bucks and never bother anyone with your retardation ever again
>>747658084>Valve can't even do anything more than offering you a game from 2020 for free with your $1060 VR headset.Gee, thanks Gabe.
>>747667175Seems like I should just wait more, the headset of my dreams is not here yet
>>747666702who is "them"? Valve? They are in the perfect position to make it back with VR game sales, probably in non-VR game sales too. I imagine most people getting a Steam Deck went buck wild buying games for it during a sale.If that model is bunk, then there isn't a VR market. And if there isn't a market why does this fucking thing exist? Why does it hand standalone phone hardware (that no one wants) in it if it doesn't want to compete with Meta? Valve is retarded.
>>747667257Nothing wrong with that, it just makes it so that you are allowed to pirate without being sent to hell
Valve shills explain to me how this is worth $800+ tip more than a fucking $300 Meta Quest
>>747664530that's basically what it isit's a last gen phone chip, you know
>>747658630That's so funny that he tried so many things to rehabilitate his image of "soulless robot lizard" and what finally worked was being a wigger
Could they have included like a $200 Steam wallet balance with the purchase or something? Would that still be subsidizing it? Anything except fucking HL Alex.
>>747667356Don't you want gaben to have another yacht?
>>747667356It has a really good wireless donglethat's it
>Primary audience for valve is PC gamers>make standalone headset to try and target the gamerlet audience, competing with quest 3>256GB frame = $1059, $1159 for mandatory accessories>512GB quest 3 = $600Is valve this stupid?
>>747659438Anyone buying replacement parts right out the box, or a USB charger, is retarded enough that they deserve to be milked dry.
>>747658275you cant get a q3 and vr capable pc for that muchalso using the q3 as a price comparison is retarded because meta loses money on the q3 - it subsidizes it so it can make money of metas actual product (You) and selling your data.
>>747667402>and what finally workedlol
>>747664705Forefront, VRChat, VTOL VR, Walkabout Mini Golf, Into the Radius 1/2
>>747667356Valve doesn't sell your information, Meta does
meta has resident evil 4 vr which was very good this doesn't
>>747667493well worked is a stretch but it helped at least a little lmao
>>747667467>for mandatory accessoriesdoesn't the Quest need those too?
>>747667514Oh no they're going to sell my throwaway protonmail email, fuckzuck@protonmail.com
>>747667320They already directly explained why it's not subsided and why they don't pay for exclusives and it boils down to running counter to the open PC ecosystem to force a closed system. This is not them being selfless angels, this is their successful business model.
>>747667514DYRBI? Also why do you care? You afraid of Meta finding your 40 TB of CP? Only pedophiles are afraid of this btw
>>747667530I feel what's helped him the most is staying out of fucking sight
>>747666880>NOOO THE STICKS ARE NOT PHYSICALLY CENTEREDSo is the natural resting position of your thumb. That guy is a retarded autist.
>>747658084Thanks for beta testing, I'll enjoy whatever software comes out of that horrible meme format on my chinkheld.
>>747667356I will never create a Meta account or buy a product of theirs
>>747667546Quest 3 comes with a headstrap and charger. Looks like they offer premium upgrades. Still though.. Considering this headset is aimed at normies, they really fucked up with the pricing.
>>747667557Wait you're not supposed to do that you're supposed to be afraid of Meta knowing that!!!! PLEASE GIVE GABE-SAMA $1300
>>747667514Oh okay.Does that make the games run worse or something?
>>747667557>he doesn't know the headset has cameras and microphones on it
How much better is JAV VR on the Frame or Quest 3 compared to Quest 2? Is it worth upgrading?
>>747667243>y-you have one at home, you don't need another, let them nickle and dime you for every strap-on to make the headset more comfortable tooI have a vr headset at home too. Looks like you won't get my shekels today Mr. Gaben.
>>747667312The Frame's biggest selling point is the fact that it's standalone and wireless, andd to a lesser extent the foveated rendering/streaming too. Everyone I've spoken to who went to the preview event last year said that those are actual game changers.
>>747667602steam is a closed system though
>>747667715>I will spend thousands more because....I JUST WANT TO OKAY????>>747667772Who cares? I bet you have a smartphone. I bet you have a computer that connects to the Internet. Again, the only reason you'd be afraid of this is if you were actually a massive pedophile and one picture inside your house would (rightfully) warrent the police to arrest you.
>>747667772>he doesn't know I block it at the router level
>>747667546For Quest it's mandatory third-party accessories, the ones you buy from zuck are shit.
>>747667784For the price of a Frame couldn't you literally just get a round trip flight to Japan and a couple of days at the soaplandu~?
>>747666880>look it up>he is some sort of retarded animal that uses a joystick like thisSomehow, I don't care about that guy's opinion
>>747667816Good, don't buy it, so that I have a higher chance to get one.
>>747667839>here's your standalone foveated renderingthat will be $1059 + $40 + $60 + $150 (for when there's an unofficial battery strap) + tax
>>747667514Who exactly is the frame intended for? People who care about data privacy, or people who have 10 fast food apps on their phones?
>>747667490but you can get a used q3 and used 4070/4080 with that money?just drop that gpu in an old pc with 16gb ram and you have a capable vr pc for ~1k, am I wrong?I think this is the angle I will try. Frame is too expensive for me.
>>747666880H3VR still isn't out?It still doesn't have enemies beyond fucking hot dogs?What the fuck?
>>747668021valvebros...
>>747667925But I like the kissu....
>>747667839Being standalone and wireless is why it's DOA.
>>747668042Honestly I think it's people who want a wireless VR headset.
>>747665848It's objectively the best product ignoring price so I'm getting it. I'm not poor enough to care about pricing in a niche hobbiest kit that exists for autists.
>>747668127>femoid unable to configure a device for kidsWow, who knew
>>747668125H3VR came out in 1.0 in July. He announced H3VR2 before H3VR hit 1.0.
it kinda feels like they ARE subsidizing the price quietly with the expensive accessories.
Why couldn't valve just make an upgrade to the index that is strictly a dedicated PC gaming headset with no internal cpu/memory, and a top-of-the-line display? I feel like that would have been worth the price tag, not this double the price of quest 3 (but basically same performance) 90 min battery life bs.
Can you hot swap the battery in the back for the Steam Frame? That's the only way I can imagine when partially justifying the battery life.
Why do people care about vr headset specs anyway, youre just gonna connect the headset to your pc and have e-sex with some fat dude with female avatar on vrchat
selling my quest 3 tomorrow
>>747662285No, it's not. That's without controllers too.Why do poor people like you insist on talking about topics you know nothing about?
>>747668320How to kill your own product 101
What's the expected scalp price?
>>747668335And I'll subsidize the price loudly by buying 3rd party straps and pirating every single fucking game
>>747668101>just have the rest of the PC bro
>>747668127Yes, that's how it works. If you aren't looking at an element then there's no reason to fully render it.
>>747668320Lmao, what a scum bag.
>>747668392Why would you buy Frame if you just want to connect it to your PC?
>Nobody buying PCs anymore because they're too expensive >Nobody bought the steam machine because it's too fucking expensive and is a massive flop>nobody buys the steam deck anymore because it's too fucking expensive >nobody wants to buy the steam frame because it's too expensive and is a massive flop>when people game on their PC they play Fortnite and Roblox >everyone would rather play games on their phones these days which out perform the steam machine and frameKEKAROOOOOOO. Valve will be dead very soon. I don't know if PC gaming can be saved with a better launcher that's not made by that fat fuck.
>>747668335Obviously. Same with the optional color passthrough.If RAM hadn't gone retarded, this thing would be like 850 bucks.
>>747668502I love my Steam Frame. Valve won. Bigly.
>>747668254The price point is too high for me, coming off an index. I would rather save or spend my money on other hobby areas. The frame just doesn't offer anything interesting to me, and the low battery life doesn't even make the wireless aspect seem worth it.
I still remember when they said it'll be cheaper than the index.
>>747668543We are not interested in your fantasies, brokie.
>>747668502Let's hope the eye tracking actually work properly, then.
What's the predicted re-sale price on ebay?
I'm glad I picked up my barely used Quest 3 512gb for $350. I'm not a pcvr enthusiast though.
>>747668543Valve can pay for those funny projects without endangering their finances, and most of them actually make money, they're just pretty small scale, because valve won't sell at a loss.But more importantly, if that was an option, why aren't they making better launchers now? Why is all we're getting ubisoft connect and epic store garbage?
>>747668476>just have the rest of the PC broyou say that like its unreasonable. most people already got a pc and the biggest and most important upgrade a pc can have is the gpu.some old am4 mobo+ cpu and 16gb ddr4 with 500gb ssd can be had for less than 250.
>>747668454>>747668515He's been working on H3VR for 10 years so I understand him wanting to move on. He has a team for H3VR2 and its being marketed as mobile first. He's also already stated H3VR2 will have paid DLC. I wouldn't call him a scumbag, but he did sellout.
>>747668679>Make only 5 consoles>i-i-it sold out>everyone in the world is a poorfag because they weren't retards with their money
>>747667869Spoken like a true retard who doesn't understand how deep the spying goes, especially now that they throw all that shit to AI
>>747668787Epic's launcher isn't garbage
>>747668679it's cause the stock was low, no one is buying that shit and it's still a tiny niche that companies are already starting to ignore (AAA is not targetting or even mentioning handhelds in their requirements at all, if it works on the deck is just a coincidence and they push it as an actual effort)
>>747668671Battery is an issue, it's not inspiring confidence if they're offering a wire to keep it on for long play sessions, like that just defeats the whole point.>>747668807Maybe, but you can't tell people that. You have to shut the fuck up about this. Or people will say "oh I'll just get the second one then when it's out".>>747668896Sure, tim.
>>747667869>I will spend thousands more because....I JUST WANT TO OKAY????I will spend 400 more because I don't want the Zuck 3d modeling my dick or giving the feds a map of my house when they get angry I don't like Israel.
>>747668446>defending valve after the steam controller 2 and steam box releasewew... The steam frame is overpriced mediocracy late to the party. Normies will see this price tag and opt for the quest 3.
>>747664195>banning literal games rated all-ages only because they are japaneseBased
>>747668541what are you going to play with a 1050 tier gpu? if you dont have a beefy pc to play vr games maaaybe you shouldnt spend 1000+ bux on a headset
>>747668995you're actually >the rapedif you even consider getting this instead of pimax or bigscreen with oled
Quest Pro has foveated streaming, so what's the point of this?
>>747668796The problem is usually means a new GPU means a new PSU and a new motherboard for the new connectors (and then maybe new RAM)And I'm only on a 3080 but I still need to replace most of my PC if I wanna update to a 5080
>>747669149It's not Zuccshit
>>747666880watched one of his showcases recently and he mentioned that he prefers armswinger locomotion to actually using the sticks to movealso he spent a decade on a sausage shooting sim and only figured out one kind of fun gamemode seemingly by accidentcan't really take him seriously
>>747668282If you dropped VRC like a normal person you could afford a better tethered headset.
>>747668987So you spend $400 more for Gabe to do it instead
>>747669073That's the point. You're paying for standalone hardware when you most likely already have strong enough PC. If you can afford this, you should probably get dedicated PCVR headset.
>>747669223>Zucc shit subsidies you purchace because he thinks he'll get your data>You use a fake email and block at the device at the router level>You steal his money and feed him garbageWhy shouldn't I buy a Q3?
>$3700 Apple headset has M5>nowhere near to close to gaming + retarded price>Valve gets the idea a Crapdragon 8 Gen 3 is a good idea to include in their headset, spiking the price all the while most will just use it for streamingBravo Valve. Starting to think the only reason the Steam Deck looked good is they got AMD's first APU with RDNA2 and not because they're good hardware designers. Once the 680M came out it laughed at the Deck.
>>747669262The fuck are you talking about? Are you retarded?
>>747668796>some old am4 mobo+ cpu and 16gb ddr4 with 500gb ssd can be had for less than 250.The 16gb of ddr4 is 250 alone
>>747669073Poorfags are retarded. They WILL spend $1000 on a VR headset but refuse to spend half that upgrading their PC. And so they stay poor.
I still use my Q2 for porn
How much room do you need for VR? I don't have much space near my computerI know the Steam Frame is stand alone but it looks pretty weak right?
>>747668958I will say, I was looking forward to the flat lens, higher res screens, and upgraded joysticks. The foveated streaming sounded kind of cool too if it offered performance optimization gains. The knuckles controllers for the index get joystick drift if you use the push button on the sticks too much, so I was really looking forward to the hall effect upgraded sticks. Still, I expected this to be around the same price point as the quest 3. I don't buy the subsidizing bs people are espousing. I think Valve is just being greedy.
>>747658084People still give a shit about these meme headsets?
>>747669347Just buy a PSVR2 and the PC adapter. This shit does not have the battery or standalone performance to make it worth the time
>>747669347You will only ever need enough space such that you can stretch your arms out in every direction and not hit anything.
>>747669159You only really need PSU. Running 5080 on older PCIe is fine if you have limited budget.
>>747664663>switch 2 out of nowhere Nintendo's answer to VR is a fucking cardboard box.
>>747668995>HEH I tell you, the last thing by Valve will NEVER sell!Just like the last few times, huh?You are poor, I know, but you are neither entertaining nor funny. Go play some shitty 2D or browser game instead of wasting our time.
>>747669347Depends 100% on what you’re playing. Anywhere from sitting in your chair to a whole room.
>>747658084it's white and ugleh
>>747669159Pretty sure you could upgrade to a 5080 without touching the rest of your PC. It's probably not worth the cost but you could do it
>>747669234He can't even use the controllers right. Is it any wonder? >>747667930
why not just make frame lite or whatever with 1gb ram 16gb ssd some random chip for bluetooth and streaming ? Who wants to have "standalone portable" experience for giant fucking brick on your face
>>747669346meta private policy>sensitive info
>>747658084there are no vr games
>>747658931Raped and gaped by Gaben again
>>747669480Cardboard VR is priced for the experience. This shit is not.
>battery life of 1-2 hoursWhat the fuck? That's literally unacceptable. The Quest 3 has like 4 times as much.
>>747666605That would be because Alien Isolation is a console game with a VR mode, not a VR game. First time I played Boneworks and fell off a ledge I actually got the balls-in-the-chest feeling.
>>747669624So, you basically have to play plugged-in all the time, and Valve says you need a 45W cable. Now, where the fuck are you going to find a 45W long cable for VR, and how are you going to inject that much power from your PC into the Frame?
>>747669624>The Quest 3 has like 4 times as much.More like 50% more at most
>>747669624Lol no, quest 3 has 2hours and 30 minutes max when using VR?
>>747669687Isolation is constantly quoted as one of the best VR experiences around. What are you talking about?
>>747669347You can do it in fairly small space as long as you don't have fragile shit in that space. I play in a small 10 x 8 space in part of my office that I've removed anything I can hurt myself on or destroy. I can't play blade and sorcery though, I end up punching the walls as my office is a weird shaped room. While the steam frame seems like it is an overpriced apple-tier product, and I won't be buying it (have index), steamvr is a very well put together UI for vr gaming. You designate your floor space by drawing it with your hand, and whenever you get within arms reach of walls/edge of play space, a light AR grid comes into focus to warn you you're getting too close.
>>747669581Because simple chip can't handle it. You either go all in and make it strong standalone hardware or you make it PC headset.
>>747669624The quest 3 has 20% more battery life
>>747659438Selling some fucking fucking cloth straps and plastic bits for €69 is straight up criminal. Are they fucking hand manufacturing this on demand inside their offices? Are they using RAM sticks as packing peanuts?>>747665774It's for people with small noses. Have fun spending an extra €69 to get an essential 0.01€ plastic flap so you can use your €1000 VR headset.
>>747669624>>747669767>stupid nigger casuals that never used a vr headset in their lifeHere's a hint, idiot retards: You put a power bank in your pocket and plug it into the headset for extra battery. We've been doing this for years.
>>747669452This recommendation is useless when almost none of the third worlders buying these standalones have the hardware to run tethered headsets like PSVR2 or something like the BigScreen Beyond.
>>747669624my quest 3 gets under an hr, cant replace battery and have to use external if the battery goes I don't think it has power passthrough
>>747669912They clearly dropped that stuff out of the headset package to keep the price below 1100 for the cheaper option
>>747669830I don't know what to tell you anon, it's not. It's very nice and I also liked it, but a game not made for VR will be less immersive than a game designed from the ground up for it, with an actual body and arms for the PC. If you want an example play the built-in Subnautica VR and then go play SubmersedVR. One is very noticeably more immersive, because the mod designs all of the player's actions specifically around VR.
>>747669960Is a 3080 strong enough?
>no new launch gamethat's the most disappointing missing feature of the frame.
>>747669475>>747669845I can just barely have enough space if I stand in the center of my room, but if I ever accidentally move my legs I could walk too close to my TV and hit itI dunno...
>>747669941And people wonder why VR headsets never took off.
>>747669510>thirdie tries to insult by calling me poor to defend a shit productThe frame and steam box are overpriced shit-tier products with low value for what they cost. You can't dispute this. Spending $1000 on a subpar product for the status is ghetto-coded. You probably have rims too.
>>747670220You've never owned a headset in your life. What would you know about anything at all? Broke
>>747670102yeah, its probably the safe bare minimum for a good vr experience.
>>747669941Battery packs and limited playtime is even more annoying that cables.
>>747669452what about the pancake vs fresnal thing?
>>747664818they will ask for your data if they want to improve tracking
>>747667876>he doesn't know his ISP is using his modem/router to output hidden connections that devices from partner companies can use as a 'trusted' connection in cases where the user is trying to block it from sending/recieving data, or declines to voluntarily give it network accesshope you're monitoring your connection really really closely, because chances are your zuckgoggles and anything else you've 'blocked' at the router could still be sending data back without your knowledge
>>747669578okay yeah I just looked up the video>presses sticks from the side for some reason>complains about how triggers don't click at the end of travel>apparently twists the controller in his hand every time he pushes the stick because of the placement>also complains that the position of the stick somehow makes playing something like beat saber more uncomfortable because of where your thumb is when you don't even use itthis is the man who made one of the most successful games in PCVR
So the main issue for VR in general is the battery ? I mean only now I find out 1 hour and a half is slightly above averageWell that's a downer, really the only downside to VR : having to have a heated powerbank in your pocket with a 30 bucks cable aw shietI'm still gonna get it ofc, can't wait to get into vr
>>747670501post your flip-phone
>>747667467You’re retarded. Those accessories come included.
>>747669960If you are at that point don't get in VR at all, the standalone experience is going to be miserable either way.
What gets me about VR is all the accesories you need.Every time I look into it, it's not just buying the damn paperweight that's only good for 2 games, you also need>the strap>and a battery pack>better get some headphones tooand probably other crap i'm forgetting
>>747668543If nobody wants these things why the fuck am i still stuck on the wait list.
>>747662227you were prepared to drop 2k on an LCD 1440p panel without even color passthrough? tf lol
>>747670181If you can't take a few steps in each direction, then I would say find a different space. VR gaming is 100% worth getting into, but the steam frame seems like a subpar overpriced product. The one thing that really kills it for me is the battery life (on top of the price). If you do pull the trigger on the frame though, you could probably just play it outside or in the garage if space is that bad, and it has standalone mode to play games natively which sounds nice, but I'm sure they look like shit. I wonder how well the wireless pc dongle streaming distance is.
>>747670605scalpers
The 1TB version costs almost as much as my PC
>>747670410Nta. If it's about the psvr2 lenses, they are fresnel but it's more what are their specific problem. Visually they are fine but they have a very small sweatspot and the ipd isn't stable. So they look good but you will readjust the headset a lot to make them look good. But the fresnal glare isn't as bad.
>>747670501change dns retard
>>747670638No one scalpes a product that "nobody wants" dude, that's how you go broke.
>>747667514>We demand all the info about your first born please.also standalone in the big 2026 is just ass
>This likely would've been like 700-800 if not for the RAM bullshitYou don't hate Korea enough.
>>747667356>>747667612>>747667761>>747669308Except that Zuck spies on what you see on your VR and isn't ashamed to admit it, good luck playing Anime Tiddy VR Paizuri for a measly 3 minutes and then the Quest gets bricked for sexually explicit content.https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/meta-bricks-perv-smart-glasses
>>747670654My PC I bought 3 years ago that I still use today to play AAA games was cheaper than the cheapest frame model.
>>747670575Ye, every headset comes with an extra ~100 comfy tax. But if you are on your 3rd headset you can usually start recycling stuff by printing adapters.
>but muh quest 3s is le 2 times cheaper!!!!Retards don’t understand that Q3 is "cheaper" because Facebook sells it at a loss. And you pay the difference with YOUR data, YOUR privacy, and YOUR behavior, which is analyzed and sold to Palantir.On the other hand, Steam Frame comes pre-installed with GNU+Linux, and it lets you install whatever you want, even Gentoo. It doesn’t collect your data or spy on you. You pay more to avoid being ad cattle and to be a free white man.
>>747670656The Psvr2 has fresnel, but it also has bigger FoV, and it's oled, which makes a big difference if you are playing something like Resident Evil who has great mods and good versions on PS5
>>747670770Still one hour and half of batteryCan't get over it
>>747658084remember when people said it was going to be 600 dollars even in 2026?
>>747658630t-this vid is AI...isnt it... r-right guys? no seriously nowadays it's getting hard to tell, and this seems ridiculous to be real
>>747664654>1k>cheapanon the quest 3 is like 400 dollars with similar specs
>>7476580841059 + 60 dollar ergonomic set + 150 dollars for color passthrough module and you need to buy more storage cause the base model is 256gb
>>747670841If you're smart you get the discount and don't lose your privacy
>>747670770It only has 16gb of ram, the price raise for that is maybe 200 at most. It would have likely been 999 and included the strap bundle they are selling separately now
>>747665774theres an included light blocker but if you need a different size it'll be 60 dollars
>>747658084Apologise?? why, i owned a quest 3 for almost 2 years now and it JUST works, and can even be hacked (at least a year ago) quite easily.It was cheap, semi decent and you just need a solid headstrap.I just wish it's lighter but nowadays ALL the light headsets are mega expensive
>>747670870Gaben always makes moneyHas any piece of steam hardware been genuinely cheap? Why do people still expect it to be cheap? Valve doesn't offer cheap, it's not what they do.
>>747659438>70 euros for fucking strapsAre they made from alligator leather? Holy fuck Valve really thinks they're Apple. But with the amount of fanboys I don't blame them.
>>747670907>the quest 3 is like 400 dollarsGood luck with that
>>747670842I have one. It's a great headset if you mod in eyetracking and foveated rendering on pc. Image is good. Strap needs mods but if you get mods the hanging Design makes it great for sports stuff. But you will readjust it a lot and the controllers die after 2 years because they stop charging.
>>747671030>steam controller is the cheapest gamepad you can find with all the features it has>NOOO VALVE BAD
>Still trying to make the VR meme a "thing"Over a decade and there still isnt one must have gameWhen is this gimmick going to die?
>>747671030>Has any piece of steam hardware been genuinely cheap?there is always various copes to justify the high price. valvebots be like that.
is the steam frame supposed to be more expensive than the steam machine?
>>747671030>Has any piece of steam hardware been genuinely cheapSteamdeck. The chink ripoffs were always hundreds of dollars more expensive
>>747671158>When is this gimmick going to die?you in luck it seems it died today.
>>747670895It was made before good gen AI for videos. You can check his instagram. It was posted on a 4th of july like 2 or 3 years ago.
>>747671158>must have gameYou can now mod VR into almost every single popular game that's been released for the past 30 years.
>>747670102Anons played half life alyx on a 1060ti.
Let's say I'm a good goy and love meta stealing all my data, how locked down is their headset? Like do I have to log in to meta or something when ever I want to use it and am I locked to whatever app store they have?
>>747671009It's not just the raised prices, it's the fact that the RAM cartel won't deal with you at all if you don't accept their ludicrous prices. A couple years ago, if you bought RAM in bulk for manufacturing, you likely got some kind of discount. Now the discount is instead of paying 3x the price of RAM, it's only 2x.
>>747665173We as a society hit the ceiling years ago with lithium-ion batteries and considered it good enough for everything. We could try and normalize nuclear energy, but that's an uphill battle.
>>747671262
>>747671158>t. brokie that has never even used VR>>747671289You are permanently logged in to meta, locked to their store, they know when you launch an app
>>747670841>this evil corporation is stealing my data>goes to other (evil) corporation: whew, did you see that guy? Thank goodness you have my back best friend.>*gabe grimace*My data is completely useless anyway unless zuck wants to see my tiny penis getting jerked to vr porn.
>>747671337What you are right we already had nuclear batteries with eternal life WTF WHY ARE WE GIVING UP ON NUCLEAR POWER
>>747658084you mean my data is worth THAT much?
>>747671359>vr has no games>actually you can play any game you want in vr>but why?Consider suicide
>>747671359Because it actually feels like you're inside the game, and that's cool as shit? The modding community is full of passionate developers even if the majority of the world is too poor to afford it.
LCD is far too shitty a technology for VR, if it's not OLED you're just wasting money, and at this price it's going to do more damage than good for the VR ecosystem.
>>747671370>GLM 5.3, please jail break the headset for me>Yes saar right away death to AmericaEZ
>>747670801>and then the Quest gets bricked for sexually explicit content.this has never happened
>>747671262>>747671446This mainly only for Unreal Engine games and even then its janky in a lot of them.
>>747670293I really don't care what you believe, thirdie. The steam frame is poorly priced. The irony, is that they won't even sell the frame in your country.
>>747671262And you need incredibly beefy hardware to do it because most is ue which runs like shit.I get why people say that isn't enough - if you want a good experience and a frame you pay like 6k atm. They released it too late. Ppl will hate it because they'll realise the need a 1k+ gfx card. And even those struggle.
>>747671262VR mods aren’t worthwhile. Unless the game has a built in VR mode it’s usually just a sidegrade from a big monitor.
I tried all three Quests and 3 is basically the perfect experience. I don't know how can Frame justify this price.
The foveated rendering and the usb dongle for wireless streaming with no latency are the game changers with this headset. Quest 2&3 have wireless streaming too, but it's full of jank. All the reviewers are saying about the frame that it has no lag at all, just as good as if it was on a cable. And the foveated rendering makes it possible to run games like half life alyx on a smartphone processor. So foveated rendering with a decent gaming pc will make it much easier to get higher framerates, and in VR, you need high framerates to have a good experience; But +1K is still a fucking lot. I'm still getting one.
Never used VR, how are they as a multi monitor setup replacement? Like if I want to watch something and play a game at the same time, would having 2 virtual monitors be good or would they be shit quality or something?
>>747670608Yeah, Specs only tell you so much. I wouldn't know for sure if it was bad unless i tried it myself.
>>747670605Because it costs nothing to queue. People will decide if they want to buy it if they are actually picked.
>>747670801The glasses were bricked for modifying them to turn off the lights that showed they're recording dude, it has nothing to do with recording them for gooning. I bought a pair literally just to record sex videos with chicks and nothing's ever happened to me
>>747671501You are retardedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKXprWFgPQE
>>747671337solid state is around the corner. But yeah, bring back nuclear, fucking greenfags!!!
>>747671359It's fun. Why else?
>>747671158I would consider Boneworks a must-have game if you like VR. If you don't like VR then nothing would ever make you like it. I like VR games, they don't need to "make VR meme a thing" it's a product that has generous demand anon and I didn't have to be propagandized to like it. It's fun.
>>747671663They are shit.8k hmd have good enough screens to provide an image that doesn't hurt your eyes but the 8k headsets come with their own downsides that will limit the time you wanna use them.
guys im kinda retarded. what headset are you supposed to get if you're OK with wired? used valve index? there's barely any on ebay with the knuckles + base station 2.0's.
>>747670548I would say the biggest issue is that it's not a dedicated pcvr headset. The controllers seem nicer if they still have the knuckles style finger tracking, but not being in the exact same format as the knuckles controller with hand straps and everything just seems like a bad design choice. Plus, we don't know how the controllers feel in hand. I honestly don't like the steam controller 2 feel. I've been using my 8bitdo ultimate 2 over the steam controller.The other thing, is that this package costs double the quest 3 for comparable performance, and the quest 3 comes with 512GB for $600 vs the frame for ~$1050. People say facebook subsidizes, but I'm gonna be honest, I doubt it.
>>747671623Does it actually apply foveated rendering when streaming from a PC or does it apply only to the video feed between the dongle and PC? True FR requires per game application to my knowledge.
big brain move: buying it to get the free copy of alyx and then scalp the headset
>>747671253thats fucking nuts... props on him for doing something like THAT. (on a physical level i mean).Maybe it took a bunch of takes, but still impressive feat. thx for clarifying anon.
>>747671663Bad. Not only are headsets lacking in terms of resolution but they’re generally uncomfortable for hours at a time.
>>747671937The index is a bad purchase now. It's fragile, and replacement parts are rare at this point.Quest 3 is still the best device you can get for cheap. Pico 4 if it's available in your region.
>>747658084Zuckerberg will watch you masturbating and sell your data to other companies for profit.
>>747671985Right now it's only the encoding and we don't know if the streaming runtime pass eye tracking data to PC. It should because otherwise VRC faggots are gonna be extremely mad but there's no concrete proof of it working on video right now, only for native application like their special alyx build.
>>747671262wait... this is dead space OG from 2008?? or is this the remake running on UEVR or something?this is insane regardless... unless it's running on Vorpx then i take it back, Vorpx is GARBAGE.
>>747670605They have a smaller stock than the existing demand. They will 100% sell out due to scarcity. You could get a really nice hardtail mtb for $1000-1200.
>>747671985The devs need to implement foveated rendering in to the game for the steamframe SDK to use it. A lot of devs who make VR games have already implemented it in to their VR games because they have steam frame dev kits. Apparently valve made it very easy to implement it.
>>747671623>no latencylol, no. The streaming framerate is 90 fps. Last I read was they got decompression down to ~10ms.
>>747672127VRC faggots will hack it in eventually, but no "true" foveated rendering will be poison for other headsets that actually send eyetracking data one way or another.
>>747668446It is actually worse than that because the Bigscreen Beyond 2 requires multiple Valve base stations for tracking to work. I think they are $200 a pop.
>>747671818Jack turning into an oogabooga boss monster so quickly was a letdown, I want an entire game just based on an immortal human freak chasing you.
>>747671985The pimax thing, somebody made it available for all eyetracking headsets, usually forces almost everything into foveated rendering. It's nuts. Literally free performance.
Better not get buyer remorse anon
>>747671262Technically true but 99% of the time they play like shit such that I'd rather just play normally
>>747672095i'm with the other anons, i dont want to give (((Meta))) a byte of data if i dont have to. perhaps i will look into the pico (?)
>>747671623>The foveated rendering+8-10fps, which shouldnt be much but in this day and age its good, especially in vr.>And the foveated rendering makes it possible to run games like half life alyx on a smartphone processor.doubt its more than a barebone uglified experience thats not comparable to pcvr.the reviews are either full blown shills or very mild reactions due to pricing.
>>747672207That's actually really low latency.
>>747672286Pimax4All isn’t a silver bullet, it works less than half the time. Outside of the handful of supported games it’s quite literally a hackjob.
The TMR sticks and integrated eye tracking already make this infinitely better than most headsets. VRChat is still the best vr game anyway>noooo that's not a gam-ACK!Cope, trannyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fltj02JiLw
Can I play RE4(original) on the Steam Frame? It's a Quest 3 exclusive right?
>>747672439You can play anything on da 'rameOnly for about an hour tho
>>747672182Issue being that extremely few VR games have active development anymore. Most "worthwhile" VR games launched almost a decade ago.
>>747672403I had really good results with it with my psvr2. Maybe I lucked out but worked with a lot of stuff I played in the last few weeks.
>>747672361It is, but it's also heavily dependent on your environment. The dongle is there so your home traffic doesn't slow down the signal, it uses 6ghz band and many other optimization that are sure to break at some point. Cable can do much better job with little or no compromise.
>>747672340pico isnt available in burgerstan. im gonna rope
>>747668101>used q3Gross
>>747671158it's for coomers.Same kind of people who buy smart glasses. Everyone knows when they see them.
don't care man it's too hot for VR
>>747671542It's nothing like a big monitor lmao.
>>747672418>VRC troon thinking he won’t get called out if xhe calls others troons firstWork on that self-hate before you join the 42%.
>>747658084>$1k half life alyx machinedo pc goymers really
>>747672569>little or no compromiseYou have a cable strapped to your head
>>747672418>VRChat>not troon
>>747672612Nooooo, I.... almost... never used my vr thing coom. Maybe I should do that more now ppl think like this.
>>747672682>le strawman
>>747672264Yeah the boss fights are super whacky and feel out of place. I think the chainsaw fight after the dissection room was alright but when I got to marguerite I had to play the game like I'm rambo it's kinda jarring. There's still some great areas where you're half stuck in the dark or the party scene after her that I really liked. I'm gonna try RE2VR next and see how that goes.
>>747669960If you're third world you can't afford this or a good VR setup in general
>>747672751My AGP in Christ you supplied the straw.
>>747672767That's funny! Had to be one of last balloons.
>>747670572Hmm..
>>747672095why does valve hate us? if the index was still supported i would buy a new one for like $800 bucks :(
>>747672706It’s a $1k modded Skyrim and VAM machine, thank you very much.
>>747672861You're not a yacht
>>747672857So where is the extra battery accessory the reviewers were leaking.
>>747672894>Virt a mateJust get koikatsu or Skyrim ostim and get over it
>>747672931why not just buy a usb-c battery pack and tie it to your head?
>>747672894Ah, your JV JAV?
>>747672857>no psu or accessories to actually have it fit>256 gbyeah i know this is cause of ai but who's buying ts?
>>747672861It's an outdated, seven-year-old device, retard.
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>>747672894Why would you pay thousands of dollars for porn?
>>7476701023080 is right when I'd say VR starts to get really good.
>>747672861>Index for $800Clueless cattle.
>>747672894Is Vam worth it? Not sure if I really want to spend 40 hours on boob sliders.
>>747672716You don't have to change batteries, get the best image quality possible and it doesn't cost $1000. I think it's decent tradeoff.
>>747671428>WTF WHY ARE WE GIVING UP ON NUCLEAR POWERIt disrupts the coal and gas industries. Need I remind you that 10 nuclear scientists have been disappeared since 2023.
>>747671542The steam frame is a joke, but this statement is just wrong. Valheim in VR is like an in person view of things to come in the afterlife.
>>747668101And in a year or two you can get a used Steam Frame for the same price.
Just found has an Sd slot, this along with more button controller is going to be perfect for retroarchno sideloading or needing to pirate a file manager
Lol, linustechjew tried to run cyberpunk on standalone steamframe.Why, you know it wont work well?
>>747671663I've worked in the index while chillin out in bed before. It's possible but fine-detail kinda sucks in vr at distance. As long as you have your virtual desktop properly spaced, you can do some cool stuff.
>>747673319There's even builds of PPSSPP, Dolphin and Citra with VR support which I'm somewhat confident they'll run native on the headset but not sure about what kind of resolution you'll be able to push.
>>747673229Afterlife has motion sickness and tunnel vision?
>>747673335>Sell a headset capable of standalone VR>advertise that standalone VR>cry when someone tests standalone VR on it
>>747673183Don't bother, it's like a 1930 car, works half the time, get something like koikatsu or honey select for realistic 3dDon't ask for anything else, those three are really the current options
I'm glad I bought the Quest 3, I really only wanted to play Half-Life: Alyx
How good of a PC do I need to run modded games in VR?
>>747669149quest pro's eye tracking is slow as shit, enough that people notice the foveation
If you're thinking what VR headset to get, whether to splurge on this or get a Quest or a Pico or something: Just wait.VR just died today. The one hope the VR industry had was that Valve would revitalize it with a new headset, but this is Quest 3 hardware for triple the price.VR development studios and players are going to be offloading their headsets in the years to come and you'll be able to pick up a Quest 3 at around Quest 2 prices in a year or so. There will be a flood of second hand devices to pick from if you want to play HLA or something else. If you like cheap hardware to tinker with, this will be the best case scenario for you.
>>747672861index is garbage, bulky and lower resolution... just get a damn quest 3 (and NO you dont need some elaborate facebook account to login, you can just make some random new one on the spot) and then just jailbreak it and it'll still work on PC as well.tldr, Index is shit, either get quest 3 if you're on a budget or those much more expensive much lighter headsets with much higher resolution if you have a lot of money to throw around
>>747673474really depends on the game.
>>747671851I agree. That game has so much vertical exploration with climbing. If you like parkour shit from old half-life mods like CS and sven coop, then boneworks perfectly scratches that itch with hidden shit all over the place. The overall game atmosphere is pure soul too.I will not be buying a frame.
>>7476696243h battery
>>747658084it's ov.. is this good?
>>747673446how is porn?at this point thats the only thing I care about, or have.
>>747673497>Just wait.>Quest 3 hardware for triple the price>flood of second hand devicesWhy is everything you post so retarded?
>>747673423Nah, I still have a 10 year old ultra fried version of honey select... somewhere, some things are better left untouched.
>>747673335lol CP2077 is one of THE most demanding flatscreen games out there in full ray tracing and even much more on pathtracing...maaaybe if you put it on very low settings with ZERO ray tracing it'll work just "okay"? and this is on a very beefy computer too.. Steam frame would make it explode lol
>>747672142It's the remake with Luke Ross's mod. So no waggle, but it has first person with head tracking.
>>747673189I agree, albeit for games that don't require much locomotion. Games like Blade & Sorcery are infuriating if you get surrounded, at least for me, because I inevitably trip over the cable. I will say that if the poster above with 1hr of playtime was accurate I will seriously rethink my decision to purchase it, though I can't see how it could possibly die that quick considering even teh Quest Pro I currently have can run for like 2 hours.
>>747671937Index is a great headset. The only major complaint I have is that the knuckles controllers develop joystick drift if you press on them for stuff like sprinting. Always remap buttons away from joystick drifting to the track pads or some shit. Maybe valve will put out a new dedicated PCVR headset bundle in the future.
>>747673685Remake has waggle now
>>747662285Pretty sure they're just making the Frame because they feel like it. This very clearly isn't a product that is going to make them any significant amount of money, at least not compared to the enormous income they get from Steam itself. It's not even like the Deck, which can clearly find a niche for itself, the VR industry is in a terrible state and it's not improving, because its problems are with content and lack of quality output from the VR games "industry."So this shit isn't going to be making them any major money, I think they're basically making it out of personal interest basically. Then they must not have any real expectations of profit or market share, so I'm going to guess they set the price such that they will for sure not be losing money on it at least.
>>747671937However..>>747672095This anon might be right about the fragility of it with it's age and lack of replacement parts in the future.
>>747673474I have a 3080 ti with a Reverb G2. The G2 is the exact same resolution as the Frame. I’m still on WMR native drivers, because I’m still on W10, which leaves performance on the table, due to Microsoft being bad at coding and the translation layer. So, having said that, I find my setup to be the bare minimum needed. I can’t run the crazy Skyrim modlists like Mad God’s Overhaul. Lists like Tahrovin perform quite well.
Is the meta headset still the cheapest option for VR if I just want to jerk off in VR chat?
>>747672596>>used q3>GrossYOU THINK I DONT KNOW????I will fucking wear the dried semen helmet of another person, holding the joysticks like two tiny used dildos.It probably takes no self respect to bus a used q3, or any other used vr headset... but Ive done pretending my life doesnt suck.
>>747673829If you just want to beat your meat to vr porn, get a quest 2
>>747664705Broken Reality 2000, GRIP Combat Racing, and Distance. Been seeing that BOTW VR mod so I'll check it out. Maybe DOOM 3 too.
>>747670654>>747670807your pc has doubled in price since you bought it
>>747661984It is better, ever so slightly>Meta Quest 3Resolution: 2064×2208 FOV: 103.8°PPD: 19.9>Steam FrameResolution: 2160x2160FOV: 110°PPD: 19.6
>>747673497Standalonefags screaming into the void while tethered simchads keep feasting. Should’ve upgraded that PC instead of saving for Valve’s latest rugpull.
>>747673903What if I don't want the zucc to see my dick
>>747672260Seems like the bigscreen is meant as an upgrade if you own an index already.
alright, what sort of power bank do I get to plug into this thing while playing to make this last longer than a couple of hours? Was looking at this Anker one (20k mAH, 87w) but it feels like that might be a bit overkill?
So, how many games does it have?
>>747673582that's not too bad except for the standalone alyx, but I'm surprised it even plays alyx standalone
>>747673791>Pretty sure they're just making the Frame because they feel like it.I'm sure it's because they hired former Meta engineers and they couldn't let go of Quest or didn't know how to build anything else. This smells of people who wanted to do "what we did before, but better".
>>747673965You can use the quest 2 offline now i think, i dont know, i sold mine years ago.
>>747673605I don't watch porn on my headset, it's too impractical for me
>>747669347If you're playing sports games you need as much as you can
>>747673981One with at least 45w output. Honestly, you probably need 2. One to charge while the other is being used and then rotate them out.
>>747658084I would sooner throw $500 at strippers than give that money to Zuck
>>747673982Almost every game available on steam.
>>747674008I was kind of shocked to hear it had trouble, Alyx runs on toasters
>>747674107Ugreen has cheaper ones then anker with 45w output, and they are build decent.
>>747673952linux says frame has lot better visuals.nexus I think measured latency and the fame got like 40% lower latency.dunno there is not much word on visual comparison.
>>747666271They're selling a wireless headset. It just so happens that the hardware they need to make the wireless bit happen can also be repurposed to run some 2D PC indie games on a virtual cinema screen.It needs some SoC to process the camera feeds for tracking and to decode the video stream anyway. It needs the battery anyway. It needs the radios anyway. Might as well give it the capability for some independent function, it's basically just extra software and giving it up wouldn't really allow you to remove major hardware components or anything.They probably could've skimped out on a cheaper SoC and less RAM, but I'm going to guess that the specs on this thing were set in stone before the current RAM crysis so at the time being more generous probably looked like a minor price increase only.
>>747673563>>747673818So I guess I should be fine with a 5070ti then.
>>747673418Only if you're playing on a shit system with a shit headset. On index with a 2070 super, it's god-tier.
>>747674107Also a long 45w cable
>>747674135I sort of am too. I know it’s not one-to-one, but I’ve seen benchmarkers on Youtube use this exact Snapdragon in phones to show off frames while playing mobile games and emulation. The chip does emulation really well.
>>747672350>+8-10fpsIt can go up to 60% more performance with quad view.
>>747674089hey I was sold an idea on vr porn being awesome.or did they meant gooning in a modded game? I dunnoI just wanna wank man
>>747674245>dunno there is not much word on visual comparison.Probably because there is barely any difference and you would have to go back and forth between the headsets to notice anything
>>747673961Dunno why people hate tethered... I mean carrying and hotswapping powerbanks doesn't sound that much better than just glueing a pulley to the ceiling. Maybe if you have you own basketball court but you won't have good stream coverage in that either....
>>747674350I have a better GPU and a better headset, I just don’t believe you.
>>747671937Just get the bigscreenbeyond.
>>747674305A 3060ti is even enough if you dont want to play the really intensive VR games. Hell, hl alyx runs on a smartphone now. I have seen a vid of a cyberpunk 2077 vr mod running on a 4080ti that looked very good.
This thread makes me wanna boot up some JAV VR againI love the one where it's 7 women and one rides you while the other kiss and laugh and spit on youGod bless Japan!
>>747674028You could say that, but I'd also think that if they didn't plan on developing something like this in the first place, why hire VR engineers?I think this is kind of where the industry is heading. Wireless, built-in tracking with no beacons, eye tracking. These just seem like logical next steps, the tracking part mostly because people don't really seem to have an appetite for VR beacons. I personally never understood that since I set them up once and basically never touched them since, but hey. I've seen an extreme number of complaints.
>>747674356not if you tie it to your head
Where is the usb port for charging located?
>>747674414Vr porn as in VR videos and jav are awesome that's trueVr h games like sexaroid are really fucking goodModded games like Skyrim, koikatsu or honey select/ai shoujo are mind-blowing be careful you have been warned
>>747673497>VR just died todayYou have said this four times in this thread alone
>>747671937The index resolution sucks. I would only get it if you're planning on upgrading to something like Pimax or Bigscreen beyond which needs the basestation and controllers.
>>747674305Absolutely
>>747674107how long do these usually last on a full charge? If I can get at least 4-6 hours out of the headset + the powerbank then that's all I really needkind of hard to get powerbanks here because I live in the middle of the fucking pacific and you cannot get them shipped here off Amazon or anywhereI am dreading finding out I can't get the Frame shipped here because of its battery
>>747674618They are allright, good tracking, doesn't lose tracking behind your back. But they have problems with other lightsources and reflective surfaces. 70% of all lighthouse problems were fixed by covering the window.But nobody makes shit for them anymore and you have to get 3rd party dongles for the controllers because they were built into the hmds (vive/index)
>>747673497Smartest anon in the thread. I don't think VR will die since it seems to mostly be used a mod-content-oriented gaming community. Valve most definitely fucked up if they aren't going to support the index with new hardware and don't have a dedicated PCVR index replacement in the works. They would probably fuck up the price-point though, so maybe it is over.
>>747674642
>>747674305That's more than good enough for all but the shittiest of VR mods.You need a good CPU too. Way too many games have terrible CPU performance now and loading a poorly made VR mod on top shoots those requirements up into the high end.
>>747674135>>747674008Valve pushed an alyx build for the frame with eyetracked foveated rendering. Kinda disappointed with the power draw but I'm sure it must look good in headset.
As much as I want to try VR, it still doesn't seem worth itI know it'd be sitting on my shelf collecting dust in a month's time
Wow I can't wait to play exciting and new VR games like
>>747674613>irl womenNah man a good VAM scene with good models is way better
>>747674763I've heard BSB/BSB 2 kind of sucked for gaming due to FOV and tracking issues, which is why I was hesitant on getting one
>>747674837A new 5000mAH battery lasts me 2 extra hours. I guess 20k would be plenty for your usage.
>>7476748373 hours, see >>747673582LTT and even GN botched their tests somehowI think it draws like max 20 watts standalone and accepts up to 45W with a 21.6Wh charging so with a battery pack you're golden
>>7476734749800X3D is the bare minimum for VR
>>747675113>accepts up to 45W with a 21.6Wh chargingaccepts up to 45W charging with a 21.6Wh battery*
>>747674659is it that good?give me your skyrim goon modlistI think I would be into voyeurism, anything to feed into this fantasy of mine? I just wanna peep and wank.maybe I shouldnt get a vr headset, maybe I should try to get normal, whatever that is.
>>747674553>>747674771I was a bit hesitant cause my old PC couldn't even run RE7 but that was a decade old machine that wasn't even top of the line when I got it.>>747674951>>747675165>bare minimumI have a 9800X3D
>>747675073I use the Quest 3 Bobovr batteries and they are 5000mAh and I probably get about the same in battery life, maybe a little less streaming at 120hz and 500mbps.
>>747674305You are ideal with a 5070 ti. The money you saved by not getting a 5080/5090 should buy you the headset.
>>747674618>why hire VR engineers?Because you need them if you want to release any VR headset. Index is too old, so I assume most people who had experience from back then are gone or forgot.>I think this is kind of where the industry is headingIt's not. Meta is skewing the market by pricing Quest below the manufacturing price. If you look around, every option exists except few. One is reliable inside-out tracking wired headset and wireless headset without compression. Standalone/Quest is dead end, causals cared only about novelty and it ran out already, technology limits of WIFI mean the quality improvements has stopped, too. Valve had so much options and they choose the worst for no reason but to imitate.
>>747675113>LTT and even GN botched their tests somehowOr whoever got that 3 hour number used a lighter load. GN did have some issue with the battery charging slowly so it's possible there are some headsets with a shitty battery or something
>>747674550I guess you are just inferior at virtual perception then if you can't handle it on index. I played this years ago and it was great. I didn't experience any of the things you mentioned.
>>747674305>>747675325I have a 5070 ti for PCVR with my Quest 3. I do wish I had more vram at times, but that means going to a $4000 5090, so no. I guess technically you don't need such a graphics card if eye tracking works with all the games you play. I thought the dev had to do that though, not Valve.
>>747674951>You need a good CPU too.ryzen 5600 or something in that range good enough?
>>747675375>GN did have some issue with the battery charging slowlyThey tried charging at 11W instead of 45W for some reason, I have no idea what's going on with their tests
>>747675631Depends on the games.
>>747675729all those tests and they didn't think to show the lens quality
How's the latency when running the game from your PC with a cable?
>>747675513I'm not even sure if the extra GPU power would even be percievable in VR, but then again, I'm still on index. I do want a second standalone 32GB VRAM card to power AI for Skyrim VR though. Maybe it'll be doable in 10 years if we are all still alive after the economic crash following the AI bubble. Keep an eye on nvidia and coreweave.
>>747675358>technology limits of WIFI mean the quality improvements has stopped, too. Valve had so much options and they choose the worst for no reason but to imitate.The valve headset has much lower input delay compared to the quest 3, clearly they improved on the wireless experience
>>747675002That's how it is. VR does not have sufficient content to attract an audience that is interested in playing cool video games rather than being interested in VR itself. It isn't worth it if you're looking at it sort of like a new game platform to enjoy, there aren't enough good games to be worth buying the hardware.There is enough content for VR super enthusiasts to keep themselves busy, but there aren't any "killer apps" to actually draw people in. There was Alyx, and a lot of people were screaming about how upset they were they couldn't play Alyx without a headset, but that's basically it, there hasn't been anything since and it doesn't look like there's anything on the horizon either.>>747675358>Meta is skewing the marketYes but that is what people are buying and expecting now. Everything else is basically tiny, boutique companies for enthusiasts who are really particular about one thing or another, but they're not dictating any direction in the industry because they are too small and not enough people buy their products. That's how it is.
>>747675912trough-the-lens shots are notoriosly hard to do properly and even then are really hard to interpret both as a reviewer and especially as a viewer
>>747675729I think the point was that 11W was all it was taking in for some reason
>>747664705Gooning in VRChatFinally through Linux
>>747675932You only shave the very few ms it spends on the wi-fi side since you still need to encode and decode over the cable (it's ethernet over usb), so for most cases it's not really that worth it
>>747676154Finally, all the groomers use linux so it makes sense
I'd have been more for the idea of a Steam Frame if it had a real USB-C port on it capable of video-out, so you could just use it as a PC w/ a monitor & KBM on the side when not caring for strapping it to your face.
>>747675631I have a 5070ti and 5600x, the CPU is a performance bottleneck for a lot of VR mods. Even when it runs well enough to play there can be frustrating stutters where CPU frametimes spike.
>>7476756315600 is mostly fine, but you'll get these fringe cases where the CPU gets hit hard. For example Blade and Sorcery can spike down to like 40 fps during melee which is really annoying. Skyrim is also heavily CPU/RAM dependent around areas like Whiterun. Lets not even talk about Microsoft Flight Simulator.
>the quest 3 is cheaperYeah but thats only because you pay extra through selling your privacy to the ZuckIf you are okay with him listening to everything you do and seeing everything you see - fine.But if you want privacy you gonna pay extra
>>747675932Probably very similar since it still needs to go through the whole capture + encode + transmit + decode process anyway. It doesn't have an actual video input so you are not removing any major step in the process by using a cable instead of a dedicated wireless link, likely within line of sight in the same room.You are only going to save a tiny amount of latency in the transmit process.
>mic quality bug>possibly battery charge bugsasuga valvestill boughting because the updates fixing it will feel like orgasm
>>747674305Oh yeah dude. I'm on a 4080 and I play every fucking mods out there. Drop a bit of resolution and framerate and you get the same experience as the fags with a 4090 (5090 is just one step above but w/e)
>>747676436Who knows how long until they even ship? Whatever software it's on right now might never even hit the public and reach actual customers.
>>747676561Shipping is gonna start 18th. The first wave will get their Frame this next week already
>>747676561the mic quality was fine before so it's not going to be a hard fixbattery is fine for some people so unless it's an extremely bad manufacturing issue they somehow didn't see before it won't be long either
>>747676645Yeah, but your fucked if you dont win the lottery.
>>747676284>>747676360im gonna cry I gotta upgrade cpu then and maybe throw in an extra 16gb ddr4...
What are the chances Valve makes an upgraded version with better screens like they did for the Steam Deck?
>7800x3D>9070 XT>32 GB DDR5 RAMBros...Am i ready? Is it enough?
>>747676914>7800x3D>4080S FE>64 GB DDR5 RAMMY BODY IS READY
>>747675975Wait till you see it actually working. It's interesting that they managed such a low latency, but in the end, they are still stuck at 90fps at Q3 resolution. That's the limit.>Yes but that is what people are buying and expecting now.That market doesn't really exists. People bought Quest because it was cheap and VR looked interesting. It was success because it was ultimate disposable toy for casuals. Valve can't match that and customers they decided to target are not really waiting to buy anything but a next Quest.
>>747676360Skyrim VR depends heavily on what mods you use. Back in the CV1 days I was playing modded Skyrim VR on an overclocked i5 2500k, mostly stable 90fps. If you hold back on some of the mods and avoid bloatpacks like Mad God there's no reason why a 5600 won't run it.
>>747676872Eh, I fear the screens alrdy were a compromise for the battery life.
>>747676645It will take a year to restock if you're not in the first batch.
>>747676845You don't have to. After I upgraded to a 5080 I was still running a 12400f 16gb CPU RAM combo that surprisingly held up fine in most games. I only upgraded because I thought prices were going to get worse and I wanted to try playing some sim games.
>>747677112I already ordered the Arcturus Vision Camera.My lottery victory is secured
>>747677021>they are still stuck at 90fps at Q3 resolutionNo? It goes up to 144hz and your fps is limited by your PC specs
>>747677061I can confirm when I got my first headset (Pico 4) around 3 years ago. I got the FUS modlist and it ran like a charm at 90fps at 3000x3000 render res per eyes on my 4080.They've bloated the modlist a little bit since (author got a 5090) then but they have a LITE version with no graphics mods so you can add your 8k toe texture later on if you want.
>>747677437>you can add your 8k toe texture later on ikek
>>747659031Power cable and the ergonomics that the fucking thing should be came with are sold separately.
>>747677204at least they'll let you cancel your order if you lose the lottery though
are there vagine mods for skyrim? if the vagine looks real Im sold.
>>747677748There are all kinds of mods
>>747677270that's the hardware limit. 11ms latency is lower.
