explain how he was in the wrong
Could have at least given them the opportunity to offer their alternate plans I guess, or lack thereof in which case he'd have an easier time getting them to help
Failed to send his gf who can instant transmission to every corner of the kingdom after learning about the infected grain. Warcraft III is written by lazy retards. Grow up.
Why'd he killed Terenas? Always felt like a weird filler episode that almost got himself killed for no purpose. Nobody even mentions it or cares, and his puppetmasters immediately just send him on busywork after rescuing his ass.Kinda weird how the Dreadlahwds never once questioned what the fuck the point of helping Nerd'zhul groom an avatar for himself was. Like what did this nigga really offer that they couldn't accomplish on their own?
>>747667516proudmoore is not his gf she's mine
he walked right into the trap set for him by Mal Ganis and the Lich King, loosing himself, his kingom and everything and everyone he ever loved.
>>747668165that's based and tradpilled or something
>>747667268Should have put his faith in the light.
What exactly was Uther's alternative plan, anyway?
>>747668165>loosing
>>747668596not doing thatanything is better than what arthas didhe didn't save those people or his army, he just made his soldiers and those peoples last moments even more traumatizing and their afterlife fucked
>>747667268The human thing to do was to do nothing and fail. He was wrong on doing "the objectively right thing"
>>747668749or just listen to the prophet and fuck off
>>747668662You draw the line at "loosing," but you're okay with "kingom?"
>>747667268I cannot.
>>747667865>Why'd he killed Terenas?Did we play the same game?Arthas wasn't himself at this point.
>>747667268He rushed it. Should've followed procedure.
>>747668725>You need to do better, Senator!Very insightful, good job.
>>747667865The moment he gripped Frostmourne's hilt was the moment it stole his soul and from then on he's been a mere puppet of the LK
>I would gladly bear any curse to save my homeland.
>>747667268He wasn't, not until the shady things he began pulling off in Northrend.
>>747667516The fuck?What kind of retarded logic is that?He only found out about the grain until AFTER it had already spread.Even if Jaina has bent over backwards to do his whim, the damage was already done, and he'd need to purge Stratholme anyway.
>>747669182>>I would gladly bear any curse to save my homeland.i kekd
>>747667268>>747669182He went too far with Muradin
>>747669184Stratholme was literally the bait to lure him to Northrend in the first place
>>747668725Uther would had let Stratholme turn into a new army of ghouls to overrun Lordaeron even faster. Arthas made the best out of a terrible situation.
>>747667268He wasn't, he was in the right but had a mildly obnoxious attitude about it. Meanwhile, Uther was in the wrong and had an extremely fucking obnoxious attitude about it.I am genuinely confused why Uthor is considered to be a heroic lore character when his whole characterization was him being an entitled boomer who was completely self-absorbed and stuck in his ways.Arthas was unironically right to dismiss his ass too, he was acting insubordinate and treacherous.
Argued his point of view like an autist.
>>747668596If the scene was a bit less cartoony we prob would have heard it
>>747669504>Arthas was MILDLY obnoxious about ithe literally demanded slaughter because he is the prince and he said so, end of argument, now disband the Silver Hand>Uther was EXTREMELY obnxious about ithe just said "wtf dude, no, has to be another way."what kind of brownoid interpretation is this
I think everyone can agree it's all Jaina's fault.>>747668596Wait for Mal'Ganis to turn the entire city into advanced undead and march out to flatten all of Lordaeron
>>747667268he should have cleansed stormwind next
>>747668165This bitch should have let Arthas empty his balls inside her every night.
>>747669029>>747669160Okay. So then why did Ner'zhul kill Terenas and almost get his future avatar that he groomed presumably since birth after convincing his captors to forge a sword and helmet designed for a six foot human male killed?I mean it's a cool cutscene, but I don't really get the context.
>>747669947Stormwind was rebuilding in the time of WC3. There wouldn't have been much to cleanse. A lot of Stormwind's population as of vanilla WoW is refugees from Lordaeron because the orcs cleansed Stormwind in WC1.
>>747668725Uther had no plan, the only plan there was to make them break up as a group so they were weaker. The person at fault there isnt really Arthas, his fault came later. Jaina was also at fault, if they hadn't abandoned him there he may not have become the Lich King.
>>747667268He didn't fuck the living shit out of Sylvanas cursing us into WOW.
>>747669947>>747670109The other Alliance kangdomz let Lordaeron burnEven Quelthalas only sent a token force while there's no sign of the manlets, gnomes, draenei, Theramore, Gilneas, etc.
>>747669479he made the worst decision by not letting go and going with everyone else
>>747670253The appropriate decision would've been for Jaina to do it. But she's a woman so she wouldn't. She wasn't associated with holy divine gods, shes a mage and her job is literally killing people with magic. She should've told Uther and Arthas to leave. No one wants to see or know their prince or a member of the Silver Hand did something like that but Jaina was not important to Lordaeron in anywhere near the same way. She could've teleported in burned the village down with fire magic and teleported back out, Arthas wouldnt have had to live with it. Doing that made Arthas worse.
>>747669182>DLSS5 ON
>>747668725>mercy killing them thus allowing their souls to be released before they turn is actually worse than letting them be prisoners inside their own cannibal corpse that they have no control over
>>747670205Dwarves and High Elves were helping Lordaeron in WC3, although iirc the main Dwarf forces were dealing with the Dark Iron at the time and King Anasterion decided not to dedicate forces so the only elves present were from Dalaran and the Kirin Tor. Gnomes didn't even exist until lore stuff in between WC3 and WoW I think. Draenei didn't exist until TBC. Theramore didn't exist until later on when Jaina went to Kalimdor which was after Arthas's fall. There were Gilneas forces present among Arthas and Jaina's troops as well as Stromgarde and Kul'tiras. In some campaign missions you can see the AI players labelled as such.
>>747667268The culling was fineeverything after was retarded powergreed
>>747667268Killing his dwarf bro was kinda fucked up.
>>747669881Your whole viewpoint is predicated on you rephrasing, reinterpreting, and dumbing down everything that happened.I doubt you're a nigger, but you're obviously a retard. You can't even be fucked to capitalize your sentences, which is the trademark style of 15-year-olds who learned to communicate over discord.Fag!
>>747670471>No one wants to see or know their prince or a member of the Silver Hand did something like thatArthas's return was being celebrated shortly before he stabbed his father. Look at the cutscene again.
>>747670471>let the crown princess of an allied nation butcher Lordaerons second most important citywhat could possibly go wrong with that
>>747670694He was insane after leaving Stratholme, getting the sword was just a formality. He was already dead inside by that point. He cared about them so running around smashing their heads in with a 10 ft tall 500 lb warhammer bigger than he is tall fucked him up. Jaina should've done it. Everyone there would've left and told everyone if Arthas did it. Jaina could've kept a few guys back to bar the gates or form a cordon around the town, warped in, started a bunch of fires, warped back out, and gone "wow theyre ALREADY monsters guys, the screams are from them turning into monsters. Keep em in. Trust me."
>>747670872did you miss the part where a dreadlord and an entire army of cultists and scourge was already inside the city, so you had to race them against the clock? Jaina is an archmage, but even she cant solo all of Stratholme alone before being killed by Mal Ganis and the scourge
>>747670815Doesn't matter, his father is king. It doesnt mean if he hadn't taken the sword people would be talking about it for his entire reign. He should not have been there, plausible deniability is a thing people like Arthas need. Letting the mage do it is easy, if Jaina had been a man Male Jaina would've buckled up and done it.
>>747668165Jaina should have fixed him. I know, I know- he's responsible for getting corrupted. But I feel that he was let down by his Paladin brethren and his waifu. She could have stayed out of the purge herself, returned and then given Arthas a hug or held hands or something. I think if that happened he would've powered through Ner'zhul and Mal Ganis' keikkakus.
Medivh's fault for being a schizo instead of pulling a slow burn like he did with Thrall and Malfurion.He could have sent dreams to Terenas, Antonidas, Uther, Arthas and Jaina until they figured it out.Instead he went schizobabble in front of the kang and didn't mention the Burning Legion once to get everyone's attention (note: Terenas and Lordaeron fought alongside Stormwind in WC2 where Stormwind won bigly but got rekt as a kangdom...and it was against the Burning Legion)They know about Nerzhul and the Lich Kang as well, which Medivh didn't even bother.
>>747670205The Draenei were too busy being trapped on Draenor getting hunted by Fel Orcs anon; even if they were technically in contact with the Alliance via the sons of Lothar.The Gnomes had irradiated themselves trying to solve a caveman infestation. Theramore is all about botes so fighting cults and plagues weren't their expertise which is why they sent Jaina, the one person who would know a thing or two about those things instead of attempting to commit a bunch of sailors who weren't seen as necessary, Dalaran was doing its best to study the plague with its resources and as proactive as Lordaeron, Stromgarde and Stormwind were rebuilding, Alterac probably 'wanted' the plague to happen because fuck the Alliance (and it was dealing with the aftermath of Thrall's little uprising), and Gilneas...Yeah, I'll give you that Gilneas were being a bunch of obtuse pricks for the sake of it.But the dwarves formed the backbone of Lordaeron's artillery AND air corps so you can't say they didn't give it their all.
>>747670987great, now you have the populace of Lordaeron forever talking about how the daughter of Kul Tiras Lord Admiral slaughtered thousands. How would that go with the relationship between these nations?
>>747668165You mean a trap set my the Jailor?
>>747669881Uther's first words to Arthas were literally "Watch your tone with me, boy!" after Arthas expressed gratitude for him showing up. Uther was acting like an entitled boomer the very first moment since they reunited.
>>747667268He failed, became the very thing he despised long his title, his friends and his girlfriend in the process.how is any of it not wrong?
>>747667268He died = he was wrong. If he was right he would have won. If he was right he would've killed all his enemies. Checkmate blizztard.
>>747670981The buildings were made of wood lmao what're the undead gonna do, form a fire fighting division? Just toss fireballs in every direction, she can fucking teleport man. Fine send a few very loyal guys in with her to back her up. Long and short of it is they had the perfect candidate for the job there, Arthas should have been made to stay back. His mental agony over it should've been obvious he was losing it man, even the king needs some damn help doing the dirty shit. Theres no better candidate than Jaina Arthas and Uther were paladins. How much more can they do about purging a city vs a mage with fire magic? Next youll tell me it was raining so its impossible for buildings to burn down lol. She was right there, perfect candidate. Jaina is retardedly powerful she could burn a city down in a day.
>>747671070>>747670205No wait I confused Theramore with Kul'Tiras but Theramore is for all intents and purposes a Kul'Tiras colony so pretend I wrote Kul'Tiras.
>>747671167Arthas served under Uther, in a military settingUther was his commanding officer, show some respect and chain of command etc etc
>>747671085Better than their Prince, yes. Better than a Paladin doing it, yes. Better for a more independent "third party" to take care of it. Better for Arthas as well. If Jaina had been male hed have been a bro about it. And Arthas can pardon Jaina after the fact if he needs to. Granted he could do that for himself but which would concern the citizenry less?
is it true garithos is an abomination now?kek kwab fuck blizzardhe was killed in both the original and in reforged
Yeah dude must be purged we get it LETS GO we want to start pulling
>>747671245>Mal Ganis teleports to her>he overpowers her 1 on 1>you now have an undead archmage on team scourge>Daelin Proudmoore livid because his child is deadwell now what
>>747667268He didn't mating press impregnate Jaina before he dropped his plan to genocide the city on her
>>747671373>which would concern the citizenry less?Pardoning a foreign war criminal who did said war crimes on your own people is a terrible idea. Imagine if Trump straight up said Israel did 9/11 and then praised niggeryahoo right afterwards.
>>747671485You can send her in on foot with an entire army then, the game even demonstrated how brutal it is to make Arthas do it by smashing their skulls in one at a time. It forces you to, they aren't tagged as hostile, you have to force him to attack them and he just has a big ass hammer. One of his skills HEALS people, and hes the one being forced to do that shit. Because it is antithetical to his very purpose.
>>747667268He wasn't up until he grabbed Frostmourne and got soul fucked. He was completely justified in Stratholme and part of the reason he made more dumb decisions is the Paladins failed him and Jaina's was a typical foid. Uther got exactly what he deserved.
the new campaign that happens when arthas shanked his father was actually kino if not stupidly hardthe forsaken campaign is fucking trash and doesn't belong in warcraftblizzard making starcraft into a helldivers/battlefield/space marine clone and warcraft a hero rpg like the rexxar campaign
>>747671472They did a new DLC campaign for WC3 centered around the Forsaken and he shows up yeah.
>>747671637Then at worst he can cross her off the list of marriageable candidates and she can quietly stay clear of the kingdom. Sucks for her but so what, itd still be better than making Arthas do it.
>>747667268>end result was him losing his will and soul to a dirty orc>genocided his own empire afterwards
>>747671167Arthas was being a passive aggressive asshole to his superior and Uther put him in his place.
>>747667268He wasn’t. He wasn’t even in control of his actions. He was being controlled by undead orc shaman.
>>747669254Incorrect. They deduce in Brill (Chapter 3) that the infected grain is the source of the plague, and trace it back to Andorhal (Chapter 4) despite theorizing that "there's no telling how many villages might be affected."In Andorhal, they learn that the grain has already been distributed across the kingdom, even though they already knew that because there's a shipment in Brill.Canonically, it takes them until "the next day" to reach Andorhal from Brill where they waste time learning largely redundant information.After that, it takes another day for them to reach Hearthglen, whereupon Arthas finally gets the bright idea to send his bimbo to inform somebody else about the knowledge they had approximately 48 hours ago, in this case, they inform Uther, except she doesn't actually tell him anything other than Arthas needs backup.The next day, Arthas and Jaina arrive at Stratholme and presumably a good while before Uther catches up to them. Again, they neglect to inform anybody in Stratholme about the plague, and instead just linger on the outskirts for Uther.So basically, they had 48 hours give or take from when they learned of how the plague spread, to when they finally decided to tell somebody.What you're thinking of is when Arthas learns that the plague is correlated with the scourge, which occurs at Hearthglen, but the dynamic duo learn about the plague and its connection with the grain much earlier and neglect to act. Because it's just a fucking plague right, lmao? Not like its been fucking up the countryside so much the king has ordered paladins and sorcerers to investigate it.Fuck, I hate this game so much. Chris Metzen is a talentless douchebag.
Imagine being a Footman and Knight attached to Arthas' command after he linked up with Jaina...their tent must be incredibly noisy every night shattering the men's morale.
>>747671785how the fuck do you convince your sweet and morally upright girlfriend to commit the worst mass-slaughter since the second war
>>747671735Liked the detail that the guards supported Arthas's position, even if some of them didn't hold a high opinion of him personally. It makes the fact they end up the first on Arthas's hitlist after the king all the more bitter.
>>747671901Uther got fucked up the ass by Arthas because instead of actually being a mentor he decided to be a pompous ass. If he would have backed Arthas going to Northrend then it's likely Arthas wouldn't have had to resort to grabbing Frostmourne.
>>747670615>DSLS5 ON
>>747672075He shouldn't have to. She learned how to shoot fireballs out of her hands on her own. If she wanted to be a normie and make normie decisions she wouldnt be there. Buckle up or go home were her options and she chose the one that caused everything bad to happen. Don't let women learn magic then, a guy who goes out of his way to learn how to burn things in her place would be willing to do that.
>>747672213Sir, im asking you to have sex, right now. Please. Its getting critical. You are embarassing yourself.
>>747672075I'd like to say that Jaina was smart enough to realize it a acceptable loss to save everyone but we both know her being a prodigy mage still wasn't enough to stop her from being a backstabbing retard.
>>747672075Convince her that they're beyond saving and that a merciful death is preferable to eternity in undeath.
>>747672102Uther is living the shadow of lothar. He knows he can never match his greatest. So he over compensates for this fact.
>>747667268he was wrong because he used his power to dismiss uther instead of using his power to force him to do his dutyhe should have acted more as a man of his position rather than a friend
WHAT ARE YOU DOING MY SON?
>>747672452He ordered him to. Uther said he wouldnt even if Arthas were the king in that very moment.
>>747672452Uther stated that even if her was King he would disobey the order, so at that point you either dismiss him or execute him for treason.
So are the two new campaigns just different flavors of "ARTHAS BAD" or do they actually contribute with new stuff?
>>747671485Jaina is powerful enough to cast a spell that can wipe out orgrimmar in one shot and is 10 levels higher than that weak cuck Malganis. She'd shit all over him in lore and is also a main raid boss whereas malganis gets Ganked by Arthas and then shows up as a mid boss.She'd shit all over most people on Azeroth if she felt like it.
>>747672452The final result would have been th same as Uther runs back to daddy to overule Arthas. Hence why it's mostly all of Uther's fault.
>>747667268It's done
how hot would their grown up daughter have been turned out to be? Both her mum Jaina and her aunt Calia have massive milkers, so thats some peak genetic lineage right there
>>747672383>one of the greatest alliance warriors ever lost to a doomretard who never accomplished anything cause blizzard felt like they had to give the bad guy faction a Wlore wise Lothar should have never lost, he was an absolute monstereven the legion whom azeroth didnt really know of hesitated to invade again because of him and his bloodline
>>747667268He was wrong in unceremoniously killing off Ner'Zhul in a mind battle thus ruining the ending of TFT.
>>747672818Jaina could obliterate Orgrimmar with the help of a powerful blue dragon relic. And she becomes a raid boss some 20 years in the future. Back in Wc3 she is like 19 or something.
>>747672762>Uther stated that even if her was King he would disobey the orderBecause Arthas always treated him as a friend. If Uthers vision of Arthas was molded differently, he would not have rebelled.
>>747672943>39 year old cat lady spinster
>>747672848This is who Anduins parents should have been rather than Wyrnn desu.Would have made way more sense thematically, also Wyrnn having Black hair and Anduin having Blonde. Like brother, you dont get Blonde hair with a Black haired family member.
>>747672605>Succeeding you, father...>Retreats to an icy hellscape in the middle of bumfuck nowhere to sit and wait for a ragtag team of adventurers to murder himI really don't understand why Arthas (Ner'zhul) didn't legitimately succeed Terenas and dismantle Lordaeron from the inside, Palpatine-style baby.
>>747673036anduin is a soft and spineless looser. Arthas and Jaina deserve a smoking hot girl
>>747673043>Forgets the entirety of frozen throne
The new campaign should have focused on Jaina flooding half of Kalimdor.That song is still GOAT many years later.
>>747672876He was also old and fighting Doomhammer in his prime.And got bumrushed by a squad of ogres nah fuck you Blizz that's what happened in the campaign that's what most people who aren't lore autists saw and what most people will remember.
>>747672848>>747673036I think they were hinting at Anduin being Arthas's kid in BfA/SL. That of course went absolutely nowhere but then again Anduin's entire character went absolutely nowhere.
you can select more than 12 units nowalso some items were changed, like the orb of fire was allowing melee units to hit air units but now it doesnt and just gives splash damage and 5 extra damage
>>747672943Right, okay. She can go steal the relic from the kirin tor - assuming zombie apocalypse isn't concerning enough for her to be given it. Not like she doesn't gun down half of them later on without the relic anyway so there's no way they can stop her if she wants it.
How is the new undead paladin hero? And is it correct that the game is now always online?
>>747673043>I really don't understand why Arthas (Ner'zhul) didn't legitimately succeed Terenas and dismantle Lordaeron from the insideArthas was corrupted but still somewhat himself as a death knight, it was only when he was starting to break free from Ner'zhuls control, when he was guided to the frozen throne in order to merge with Ner'zhuls soul so Zer'zhul could fully take control of his soul and body.The reason Arthas is intombed in ice, is because Arthas' soul resisted and sealed them to protect the world from the undead. When wotlk happens, Arthas pretty much lost the battle which is why the Lich King awakens.
>>747673036Arthas's and Jaina's kid would have been entirely to based for WoW's lore. Especially if he took after Arthas.
>>747673283the relic was in the blue dragon HQ in Northrend and wc3 jaina knew nothing about its existance. You are constructing impossible scenarios here.
Is WoW Forever worth touching for someone who hasn't touched WoW at all and is only a TFTchad?
>>747668725>not doing thatOr anything at all, clearlyThe "potential man" of warcraft
>>747673469how are we supposed to know, it isnt out yet
^guys is it too late to start wow forever? i'm worried the economy might be too old and stale and i won't be able to find dungeon groups
I'm so fucking tired of you retarded faggots keeping up generals of this one specific moment in an overrated boring 20 year old game that has no cultural relevance
>>747673296Yo your bot posting is acting up, it might need a reset. Lemme do it for you.#rm(list = ls(%reset))
>>747673469If blizzard's history is anything to go by then it will be great for a few years and they will fuck it up. They are doing all the right things except the the gay ass new race right now. But once the money starts rolling in then it will get ruined.
>>747673405>Arthas's unwavering commitment mixed with Jaina's resilienceHe would have ushered the Alliance into an age of supremacy never seen before.
>>747673036Anduin should just bang Jaina
>>747668165I cannot believe that Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider, who was a member of the Kirin Tor meaninglessly pitched woo with Jaina and was completely unaware that she had an older half elven sister named Finnall.
>>747673790too bad they replaced anduin with a random woman who anduin gave his armor and fathers sword to for no fucking reasontypical modern writing
>>747673549>the father of ASSFAGGOTS and Tower Defense has no cultural relevance
>>747673842none of that happened. Why are you lying on the internet
>>747667268Victim of ludo narrative dissonance.The civilians turn into ghouls after you destroy the buildings, proving that he was right to purge.The story acts like what he did was horrific but 100% of the civilians become ghouls.If Blizzard was smart most, if not all, of the houses would empty out to just civilian units or peasants with only a couple turning.That would show the intended overzealous actions of Arthas instead of him being decisive and saving the rest of Lorderon from a city's worth of undead.
let’s say uther, arthas, jania, the captain and muradin all make it to northrend. What now? They don’t have enough forces to get though to kill mal’ganis which leads back to the frostmorne delemia again.
>>747674053Jaina mass teleports them out, they regroup and gather a stronger force and plan out a better invasion
Weird that the Alliance does not have an outpost out west and Jaina had to collect a bunch of random humans to settle there.
>>747673170Do they mention what Arthas was doing between WC3 and FT? I only played the expansion once, 15 years ago.All I remember is that Arthas' campaign was fucking gay. The whole time he's just trying to get to his giant ice dildo and then he meets the spider-verse. I guess at the beginning he's "king" but he's acting as king for the scourge people.I meant they should've had a subplot about him acting as king of the humans and subverting them from the inside, instead of just being a school shooter.In all honesty I have no fucking idea why Arthas is chosen by Ner'zhul at all if part of the plan wasn't to use his identity. Seems like he could've saved a lot of time by just seducing one of those mercenaries or literally anybody in Lordaeron.
>>747673963>If Blizzard was smart most, if not all, of the houses would empty out to just civilian units or peasants with only a couple turning.this
>>747674053>delemia
>>747667268His decision was logically sound, but the spiritual/emotional toil he put on himself made him vulnerable to obsession and manipulation, which led to both his fall and the collapse of his kingdom.That said a large contributing factor to his decline was that he was forced to shoulder that burden alone. Jaina and Uther abandoned him, despite having no solution other than allowing the town to become undead (damning the residents). They dodged responsibility and put everything on Arthas, and that's why he snapped.
>Lordaeron city gets overrun>Uther STILL DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN TO DEAL WITH THE UNDEAD>spends the rest of the campaign crying in the fetal position in a secluded room
>>747674053unironically the mercenaries would have turned the tide for Lorderon. trust the plan.
>>747674171The nucampaign actually addresses this by showing that he was able to mount his teardown of Lordaeron by colluding with the Cult of the Damned who at that point already consisted of multiple baronies. It wasn't just the ghosts and goblins he brought from Northrend.
>>747672075>asking for a friend
>>747673949>none of that happened. Why are you lying on the internetBro didn't even watch blizzcon and see Anduins female replacement. Lmao.
>>747674053I'd argue that Arthas, Uther and his knights, Jaina, and Muradin together could have taken Mal'Ganis but there really is no way of truely knowing.
>>747674053What if Arthas, Jaina, Uther, the captain, Muradin took half of Lordaeron's population while Terenas and Antonidas stayed to fool Mal'ganis that their ruse worked?
>>747674391Why is it impossible for Western games to have males in important roles now?
>>747673349uwot, why would Arthas' soul resist? I thought the whole point was that he was just a humongous faggot. Don't tell me WotLK gives him some faggy redemption arc? I never played WoW.So you're telling me the Arthas whose soul was actively resisting also assassinated his daddy and willingly summoned goat demons to Azeroth?I'm so confused.
>>747674391anduin has always been a femboy
>>747674391look at that hooked nosed jew witch abomination
>>747667268>Uther: Glad I could make it, Arthas.>Arthas: I watch my tone with you, old man. I may be the prince, but you're still my superior as a paladin.>Uther: As if you could forget. Yes Arthas, there's something about the plague I should know. ...Oh no, it's already begun. These people may look fine now, but it's only a matter of time before they turn into the Undead!>Arthas: What?!>Uther: This entire city must be purged.>Arthas: How can I even consider that? There's got to be some other way.>Uther: Damn it, Arthas! As my future king, order me to purge this city!>Arthas: I am not your king yet, old man. Nor should you obey that command even if I were.>Uther: Then you must consider this an act of treason.>Arthas: Treason?! Have I lost my mind, Uther?>Uther: Have you? Prince Arthas, by right of succession and the sovereignty of your crown, you must hereby relieve me of my command, and suspend my paladins from service.>Jaina: Uther! He can't just-->Uther: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this land, follow him. The rest of you... get out of his sight.>Arthas: I've just crossed a terrible threshold, Uther.>Jaina: ...Arthas?>Arthas: I'm sorry, Jaina. You can't watch me do this.
>>747672848>picI can't unsee the TF2 comic edit from Ko/v/
>>747667865what even is this picture? multi-fetish subtext crossed with memes? wild
>>747674171Arthas was already a powerful Paladin, which meant less work shaping him into a Death Knight, and a Paladin that was vulnerable to being subverted. He was basically the ideal vessel.
>>747667268In most of the wow lore ive read paladins are retards that make very bad decisions. The entire ashbringer story is hilarious. This is a close second
>>747674391bro... i think that might just be Anduin, just back to his unpunished design
>>747670678gnomes existed in lore since wc2
>>747674445> What if Arthas, Jaina, Uther, the captain, Muradin took half of Lordaeron's population while Terenas and Antonidas stayed to fool Mal'ganis that their ruse worked?way to logical. that’s what kingdom of stormwind did after first war. they literally fled to lordeon and set up kingdom in exile.
>>747670014???When did he get himself almost killed? He destroyed the capital city after killing his father, which was the goal of the attack.
>>747670471>women>taking responsibilitylollmao evenThey'd rather cry, flail and shit on the floor
>>747674391That's Anduin you goober, the artwork is from the Warcraft 30th Anniversary event from 2024.
>>747667268>explain how he was in the wrong
Thoughts on the new W3 campaign?
After the battle of Mount Hyjal, human men mated with Night elf women...
>>747674610I laughed.
>>747675268The two heroes you play as during the fall of Lordaeron campaign sound ESL.Haven't seen the forsaken one yet.
Reminder>Everything Ner'zhul has ever "plotted" was actually the Jailer's plan>The dreadlords have actually served the Jailer>Arthas never had a moment of agency in his life, it was all orchestrated by the Jailer>Froustmourn and the Helmet of Domination are the Jailer's invention>In the end, Arthas' purpose is to possess Anduin in service of the Jailer
>>747675397They also mated with them before that, but not entirely willingly, as the night elf amazons, starved for sex after thousands of years of their men sleeping in the Emerald Dream, snatched the strange pink monkeys from their bases and violently mating pressed them, milking them for each drop of cum
>>747675528Forever is the reboot of the story we needed.
How long until Sylvanas becomes Warcraft Jesus, beats back the actual le big bad and gets cured of her undeath becoming a regular High elf again?
>>747675645Forever will also feature the Jailer. The Jailer was always the true artistic vision behind Warcraft 3, and the foreshadowing is clear if you just open your eyes and read the signs.
>>747674610glad i could bake it arthas
>>747675691They were THIS close to doing it in Shadowlands, but instead they've made an MtF tranny Warcraft Jesus instead. Sylvanas was also there.
>>747675268It's not an RTS campaign lol
>>747667268He should be heralded as a hero who did what was needed to be done.But noo. He did le hecking bad thing
>bro why didn't they just use the <McGuffin that doesn't fucking exist yet> from 25 years in the future to save the day>bro why didn't they just have anduin's sperm cell come by and divine light save the entire city>DUDE why didn't they just hand out the scourge-away cure we have in t- oh wait we STILL don't have a cure to the scourge plague, whoopsie!why did arthas do this?
>>747667268He could've just stopped at Stratholme, everything he did after was wrong.
>>747674496fiction often shows what the writer wishes the world was like.the postcolonial west is obsessed with matriarchy because liberalism's myth of progress means the less liberal past *must* be inferior to the more liberal present.>men bad because they ruled in the past but didn't achieve liberal utopia. maybe women will achieve liberal utopia once they have the same freedoms as men(they won't)>whites bad because they ruled in the past but didn't achieve liberal utopia. maybe nonwhites will achieve liberal utopia once they have freedom from discrimination(they won't)>christian bad because they ruled in the past but didn't achieve liberal utopia. maybe atheists + muslims together will achieve liberal utopia once they have religious freedom and tolerance(they won't)etc etc etcthe west is always looking for a new savior to fulfill their prophecy of an end of history
>>747675268It was ok, a bit generic but I liked the main characters well enough. I wish it had some RTS instead of just being Rexxar 2.0 though.
need it or keep it?
>>747667268He marched an undead army into his home city and beheaded the king, his father, in front of everyone
>>747676807start another thread about it so we can all laugh at you again for how half baked this """""expac"""""" is
>>747670014>So then why did Ner'zhul kill TerenasDid we play the same game?It's fucking explained in the Undead Campaign after Kel'Thuzad gets rezzed.
>>747676807ngl I pogged when I saw baron rivendare
>>747676807Story is good.
The entire point of Arthas story is harm reduction. You don’t kill the population of Strat? well guess what idiot, he just saw this happen in brill and hearthglen. that means one of the largest population centers in north is now army of a demon. but what if he let mal’ganis go? wow great idea, let a blood thirsty demon come back and probably nuke another population center. oh, but crazied old guy is talking about the end of the world and flee across the great sea (which you might not survive) and resettle in some place you have no idea.
>>747676807Anya was cute
>>747675041>Walk into the capital city with no army>Assassinate the king in broad daylight>Seems like a fun and fast way to get yourself ganked. What was the next step of Arthas' master plan? Uh, nothing, because he didn't have one. Ner'zhul did, I suppose, in the form of Tichondrius teleporting his ass out of there, but that's it. All that's described is that at some ambiguous point in time, the undead rolled into the capital and just took it, which sort of begs the question... why didn't Arthas just roll in with them? The fuck was the point of the subterfuge and exposure? Again, it's a cool cutscene, but it's total nonsense.
>>747677724He was right up until Stratholme, then went full retard following Mal'ganis to Northrend. If he actually stayed in Lordaeron and helped Uther destroy the cult Lordaeron could have survived.
does the 24 units per group feel good? I feel like I would kill myself in real life if they did that to brood war but im not sure its that big of a deal for wc3
>>747677897>He was right up until StratholmeAfter. After Stratholme.
>>747673520>Doesn't do anything as Orcs sacrifice innocents to demons>Doesn't do anything to stop Stratholme from becoming an undead army>Doesn't do anything to stop Arthas from slaughtering civilians>Doesn't do anything to fight the demons responsible>Doesn't do anything as undead take the capital and raze the countryside>Doesn't do anythingSome of you may die, but Uther will make sure his hands and conscience stay clean
>>747677886I don't think you know what actually happened there, after Arthas kills his father he unleashes an undead army on the capital city and destroys the city, making his army even bigger.
>>747676807im surprised they put effort in those cinematicsjust how many warcraft 3 players are there? are they really willing to pay for that content?
>>747677897Agreed. If you look at Path of the Damned, humans and elves actually put up a very good fight against the Scourge even with Arthas on their side. Imagine if he didn't go full retard.
>>747677886>Seems like a fun and fast way to get yourself ganked.You know that at this point Arthas was a OP, army-destroying Death Knight and it didn't matter at all what would happen?Also Forsaken Kingdom DLC dwells on the Fall of Lordaeron.The Cult of The Damned prepared for this moment for years and staged an uprising.
>We defeated their demons a long time agoWhat the fuck is this geriatric babbling about?
>>747677897Nah following Mal'ganis was fine, if he hadn't ran off to Northrend Muradin and his men would've been killed by the Scourge there. Burning the ships and scapegoating the mercenaries was where he went irrevocably wrong.
>>747677623I guess we did.
>>747675691I think pic related was made 9 years ago
>>747667268Taking the ancient evil devil-sword was probably a not so sound idea.
>>747678129That's fanfiction. This doesn't happen in the game. Arthas doesn't do anything or have any knowledge of what's going to happen. It's why he has to be reassured by Ner'zhul that he has nothing to fear.It also makes no sense in the logistical sense of how the fuck did the human forces not know an army of undead were outside their gates?Again though, I reiterate for the like the fifth time, IF THE PLAN WAS TO JUST TAKE THE FUCKING CITY BY FORCE WHY WALK INTO THE CENTER OF IT UNGUARDED TO AURA FARM? Because it's a gay story written by and for thirteen year-olds.
>>747674641you're underage and/or brown
>>747678238>You know that at this point Arthas was a OP, army-destroying Death KnightHe really wasn't. I mean there wouldn't be much to the FT campaign if he were.>24 year-old DLC required to fix writing issues that could've been resolved in five minutes>It still makes less sense than just not doing the gay theatrical cinematic bullshitMeanwhile 500 amazing, coherent video games have released since 2002, and Blizzard is responsible for producing exactly zero of them.Why do people defend this shit game and its devs again?
>>747674641you dont know how stupid and retarded you sound
>>747678334play warcraft 1 and 2
>>747678765The cult infiltrated the nation way before Arthas was even corrupted, Nerzhul wanted Arthas as his champion and once he had him, he went all in on destroying Lordaeron. We know the cult used the sewers to sneak in undead into the city too, it's not like they just walked through the gate.>WHY WALK INTO THE CENTER OF IT UNGUARDED TO AURA FARM?Because it's cool you joyless faggot.
>>747678108>"You stay here and deal with the cult and the cannibals and the stitched brutes while I run the fuck aw... I mean get reinforcements. I promise you I'll return."
>>747668165Imagine going insane when your gf is a powerful mage with big tits
Should I play warcraft 1 and 2 before playing 3?
>>747679027He was. He also had Chaos Damage up to that point until the Undead Campaign happened properly.Also there were no fixes.Arthas killing Terenas plunged Lordaeron into chaos resulting in the Undead to easily pick up villages and grow in strength. We simply are left to our imagination how it happened and Arthas disappears after he kills his father.The DLC simply expands on it and we see Arthas casually slaughtering his way out one-hit-killing anyone trying to fight him.And in the TFT Undead Campaign in the 2nd mission, Arthas takes on a swarm of Ghouls with ease.He IS a one-man army himself and proves that in the final mission once he can level up again.
>>747679998Do as you please. 1 is a wholly different thing and 2 is a precursor to what StarCraft would perfect further. Both are fun, but a bit dated. Unless you are playing the Remasters...
>>747678815>>747679058>wahwahwahwah 4chan is a monkey exhibitniggers.
I like Arthas despite him going full retard and doing terrible things. I wish they did something else with him rather than turning him into a WoW raid boss.
Illidan and Arthas were absolutely kino raid boss material. I hate nu-blizz fans so much it's unreal.
>>747667268>"I'm not going to follow your orders">"Then I order you to go away">"ok"was it alzheimers?
>>747667268He wasn't and that's the tragedy of it. There was no other solution. Uther was old and full of convictions, and those convictions would have doomed all of Humanity. Jaina was just a typical female judgmental asshole who abandoned her man when he needed her most. Arthas was doomed and the Fel knew it.
>>747671735>the forsaken campaign is fucking trash and doesn't belong in warcraftThat because it sets up WoW. Everything that sets up WoW is cancer. >>747677751>>747679557Shame they weren't allowed to have access to the source code to update the renderer. The material like clothes, armor, skin would have benefited so much from an upgrade.
>>747680848>WoWgtfo
>>747675268The human part of it feels like the Blood Elf campaign>(One) mission where you're doing traditional base building>The rest is running around the map from point A to B
>>747679557Uther really fucked Arthas over.
>>747679115They've never defeated the demons there. In fact, they've never even fought the demons.Unless you mean that when Uther is saying this line, he's talking about this specific summoned creature.
>>747680853the only alternative was for Uther to kill him, which is an interesting thoughtWould Uther killing Arthas in that moment and saving Stratholme from the purge (even though they were doomed to become ghouls) uphold his oath as a Paladin?
>>747681275warcraft 1
>>747681174I don't know why they didn't mix some RTS with the RPG shit, it was basically a second Rexxar campaign which was already protoWoW back then. Doesn't really feel like Warcraft 3 even if the story was ok.
>>747667268>explain how he was in the wrongThe purging, he could have managed Uther better. That's about it.Everything past that is self-explanatory as he begins doing things for just slight advantages and utility while making immoral decisions. Blaming the broken ships on the mercenaries and killing them? Convenient, but completely dishonorable and not even necessary.
>>747667268he hired a bunch of mercs to do something then told his men to kill them for doing the thing he paid them to do
>>747667268He was neither wrong in retrospect (plague of undeath curses the soul to not be able to move to the afterlife) nor in context (rapidly spreading contagion which shows no symptoms until its too late in an entire city)
>>747680848Forever will fix it.
Waste of $30They should have added a 5-6 mission campaign for each factionWould love to play as Sylvanas defending Quel'thalas, Stormwind figuring out what the fuck happened to Lordaeron and the rest; clean up duty all over Ashenvale and Darnassus, conquering the entire Outland and buckbreaking more Eredar demons, pit lords and dreadlords; economy missions with the Horde and killing more centaurs, kobold and harpies; and a Muradin PoV where he ends back to Khaz Modan
>>747681463>We have defeated their Water Elementals a long time ago.
>>747682106Uhmmm. Counterpoint, you're a chud?https://youtu.be/33gaS1d2ong
>>747682138>Would love to play as Sylvanas defending Quel'thalasYou can do it right now, actually.https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/purifyevil-warcraft-3-reversed.358164/
Arthas was forced to pick up Frostmourne because Lordaeron abandoned him.If Lordaeron sent a bajillion zepellins and warships filled with reinforcements Arthas wouldn't have been desperate and would have ignored the cursed sword.
Sex with elves
>>747682138>and Darnassus>Wanting more WoW garbageahahah
>>747682381
>StratholmeWho cares>MercsWho cares>PatricideWho cares>Brought Sylvanas back from the deadReal evil thing. For that alone, he deserved to be turned into 35 anima, and for that shitty yass queen monologue.
>>747682381Built for orc cock. Specifically mag'har orc.
>>747682108embarrassing jeetelves aren't fixing anything. blizzard is dead
>>747678463This is literally Grom character arc in warcraft 3
>>747682991>This is literallyNo it's notThe actual character arc is>grom you retard>grom go on timeout and don't do anything retarded while I'm gone>FUCK>grom you retard>Grom we saved your ass, don't fuck it up this time>Good job Grom, you died an honorable death
>>747679557>the lowly town guard is the one who has to cleanse the land of the undead all by himself>the big veteran paladin with the power to smite evil is the one leaving to call for reinforcements
>>747682534You're such a faggot. The fact you look at that and think of another man, fictionalized or not, just proves how gay you are. A red blooded man immediately wants to bang that themselves.
>>747667268He's not a certified virologist.
>>747683334Lordaeron's kang has fallen and Uther is basically the #2 leader since Arthas has also gone mental.A random private in this scenario wouldn't be taken seriously and cannot muster or reform a cohesive command structure. Uther has the respect and authority of Lordaeron's military as well as the armies of dukes, barons and other nobility within the kingdom.
>>747667268has anyone played the co-op campaign recently? I know there were multiple projects of the sort made by map makers and want to know the best route for it.
>>747682381imagine being a lordaeron human male defending your high elf wife (who is like a hundred years older than you) and 8-12 half elf children from arthas
>>747667268He fumbled Jaina hard. This is his greatest sin.
If a choice you make results in you literally murdering what you swore to protect anyways it was a bad decision. Arthas literally could no absolutely nothing and it would be better via hindsight.
>>747683532Uther could've just signed a letter for the town guard to deliver or some shit.
>>747667268He was an irresponsible manchild or some shit. I don't get the cringe either
>>747667268That's old school dude, nobody gives a shit.Garek is the new hot stuff.
>>747667268He didn't buy Uther's cookbook
>>747680848nu-blizz fans are the ones who are ok with blizzard shitting all over their wc3 characters by killing them off unceremoniously.
>>747683656>it would be better to let innocents have their souls be eternally damned by turning into mindless zombies>it would be better to hand an army of said zombies to the big bad demonshut up
>>747683656>it would be better via hindsightHave fun dealing with city-sized force of zombies that can be teleported by some immortal, winged dude.
I pirated this in 2004 it was not worth my money. Plus I cheated through the campaign up to hyjal, and it was so boring didn't bother pirating the expansion.
>>747683389Sorry, anon, she's for men. Real men. Not limp dicked Timmies like you.
>>747683819im sure it ended well for arthad and his kingdom is safe
>>747667268>delusional enough to convince himself that the mega evil cursed sword would magically not make him insane
>>747683874What the fuck is an arthad?
>>747683932arthas's brother
>>747683819>>747683831It doesn't matter. I worded it wrong. But I'm not talking about Stratholme here. U mean him scourging his kingdom post frostmourne. Him being utilitarian here completely broke his mine and resulted in him murdering his kingdom. Therefore yes, it was a disaster of a choice.
>>747668662loosened his soul bussy for the evil corrupting Frostmourne
>>747683725He is an Elric of Melnibone clone, to this day no one got the Moorcockian "woe is me" whining right, so the clones end up controversial or edgy teen bait.
>>747676697Anon, I get you're eager to spread the good word, but maybe make sure you have an actual example to use here so you don't look like a fucking moron who said a bunch of shit about something that didn't even happen.
>>747679557>"Okay, I'm back. Thanks for getting rid of all of the undead and stuff but we still have to take care of Andorhal, and by "we" I mean "you", so take your army and charge right through the main gate and kill as many of the Cult as you can while me and my army take a while to rest."
>feelio when you're in a discord with the turtle wow radio music group>one of them is the dev who did this questwhat a time to be alive or somethingfun to see him constantly shittalk blizzard lol
>>747667268after a massive tragedy in his kingdom, he fucked off to play batman instead of doing his fucking job and helping with reconstruction. The Purge was 100% correct and Uther and Jaina were both terrible people for how they reacted to it, but Arthas lost his chance to be right the moment he bailed on Lordaeron to go chasing some demon ass in the snow.
>>747674391I liked her. she was the only presenter I could tolerate in fact.
How convenient that you never actually find any pre-zombified humans during the whole fall of Lordaeron campaign, you either find already zombified people or human corpses about to revive as zombies.
>>747676697man imagine living like thistake a break man
>>747684568>"The light calls us to protect those who still live!">"S-Stratholme? I don't know anything about that."
>>747667268I mean everything that happened afterwards all the way through WOTLK shows that he was wrong.
Sylvanas cute
>>747687305Arthas should have raped her first before turning her into undead, it's weird to see a Windrunner not carrying a half-human, half-elf baby
>>747684967After Stratholme, people decided that maybe they shouldn't eat green-tinted grain with flies hovering over it
>>747667268he didn't implapnate jaina "the tightest pussy in azeroth" proudmoore 40000 times
>>747687341She tried her hardest with Anduin.
Would WC3 and WoW have been better if Arthas was the tale of the fall of a blonde warrior princess? And Jaina was a dude, and they bumped uglies consensually while holding hands even after Femthas became undead?
>>747668596He had none which is why to this day people bring up the scene
>>747687305>made her white like the shattered mask emblemSHE IS SUPPOSED TO BE BLUE WITH HUGE TITS
>>747667268Disbanding the Paladins because of petty ego was wrong. Ditching his Kingdom when they needed him most to chase a literal vampire to Northrend was wrong. Getting rage baited into picking up a cursed sword and betraying your own men was wrong. Destroying your own Kingdom because you got rage baited into picking up a cursed sword was wrong. Being a fuckwit who got ragebaited into fusing with a dead Orc was wrong.
>>747668882Kingom is just a typo, but loosing reveals the poster is a retard
>>747667268There are better candidates to pick for the did nothing wrong category
>>747687648>catatrash
>>747687389lordaeronians don't season dey grain...
>>747675691Won't happen because Sylvanas is still voiced by a white woman and they've basically replaced her with her sister Allera, who's voiced by a black woman.
>>747687563>Being a fuckwit who got ragebaited into fusing with a dead Orc was wrong.Ummm, actually that was retconned, chuddie.Remember how in the end of TFT, they've come one? Nope. Never happened. In WOTLK, he's just Arthas, Ner'zhul has been banished from the body. Please ignore the fact that he sounds and acts nothing like Arthas. Ner'zhul's fate was then to become this, and to have all his plans revealed to be actually the Jailer's machinations.
>>747675691>retoilet lorenot canon.
https://youtu.be/3K-om9ZlKJ0Why does she sound like that
>>747688231>bubble hearths awayi thought she was a priest, not a paladin?
>>747687563Its funny that Arthas is just a more well done version of Anakin Skywalker in WC3, yes his downfall is his fault but hes a lot more understandable.
I liked Founding of Durotar and Forsaken Kingdom
>>747681285Or just club him unconscious. His main weapon is a blunt instrument.
waiting on map makers to take advantage of the new assets and inventory/character stats ui
This will save my homeland and certainly won't fuck me over long term
>>747667268any links to a working torrent of the new campaign?
>>747678765Retard they literally released an official wc3 expansion how the fall of Lordaeron happened.
>>747687305>>747687560SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A PLACEHOLDER NIGHT ELF
>>747667268>We have to purge them before they turn>No Arthas you evil shit how can you say that>*villagers turn into zombies immediately when their houses go down*>spend the mission killing post-turning point zombies anywaysArthas literally didn't do the bad thing lol
Reminder that to this day in canonical lore, over 20 years later, there is no cure to Undeath. Uther's "surely there's another way, lets quarantine for now and think about it!" still has no merit even retroactively with 20 years worth of hindsight.
>>747687305I'm going to kill the Jailor in WoW Forever so she never has to fall into that awful storyline
Stratholme was the 2nd most populated city in Lordaeron, after the capital. It would have been impossible to quarantine it with the small force that they had, not to mention the Dreadlord actively patrolling the streets and teleporting the Undead out.
>>747689218The skull pedestal is a bit sus but if it was just the blade in a chunk of ice I'd take itNo one likes goats or dragons anyway so whichever of those the skull on the hilt belongs to wouldn't faze me
heh
>>747691415You're basing that on nothing. Regardless, the solution to the problem would be to just go in and kill Malganis and then quarantine everyone.
>>747668165>gets eternally assblasted by bait weaker than the average post on /v/deserved
