people keep saying "new games look better" yet shit like this happens
3 polygons vs 1000000 polygons
>>747669003Give the devs a break, mirrors in india are all like that
>every mirror has the exact same smudge patternsthis is seriously lazy work
>>747669151Computational power stayed the same?
So are they afraid that if they make the mirror lower resolution and less detailed that they will be made fun of for it.
i still don't understand what is such a problem with doing mirrors the old fashioned waylike the game is obviously capable of drawing more than one character on the screen at a time, right? so just draw the player character reflected in the mirror. draw the room reflected in the mirror. what the fuck is the problem
I haven't seen a working mirror since...what, The Sims 4?I've been playing Doom3 for the first time and there's a jumpscare in the mirror where you look like a demon and that shit got me good because I just didn't expect a mirror.
>>747670063>i still don't understand what is such a problem with doing mirrors the old fashioned wayIt require an actual dev to set it up for each room you place a mirror.Meanwhile smudgy mirrors are simple enough to set up that your artfag team can place them all by themselves everywhere they want.
>>747669151rendering 1 more character in front of the player will nuke performance?
>>747670742is this seriously a compromise that needs to be made when a game costs trillions of dollars to make? they should be able to put a mirror in every scene.
>>747671015>when a game costs trillions of dollars to make?Those trillions don't go to paying the people actually making the game. Nearly all of it goes to management, marketing, renting a football stadium-sized office in California, CEO & shareholders, etc.Code monkeys have also been moved to the lowest caste in the production chain, so having to be dependent on one is seen as intolerable by artfags. This is the reason Unreal 5 catered so much to the "you don't need a code monkey for all of this, we made it retard-proof so that even your artfags can do coding with it" trend.
>>747669151Polygons literally don't matter this day and age, AND the BUILD engine games do not use polygons.Also, that BUILD engine title required top of the line consumer PC to run smoothly. You had a fucking slideshow in your hands if you tried playing Douk on the average 486.And once again, I gotta bring out the simple hard fact about reflections:If you can render a regular scene in high-fidelity, you CAN indeed have a Planar Reflection mirror casting another view of the same quality scene.We've had this tech since the DirectX8 times, ffs!
>>747670742>It require an actual dev to set it up for each room you place a mirror.Mirrors are a literal drag and drop feature. Have been since UE3. And planar reflections are WAY cheaper and faster than Gay Tracing alternatives, while also being way more accurate and perspective-corrected than SSR.You can also optimize Planar Reflections in all the same ways you would optimize your main game camera. Heck, you could even throw DLSS / FSR and framegen on them this day and age!
>>747671817but then it's a fake mirror :(
>>747671967>planar reflections>duke nukemMy answer was about "doing mirrors the old fashioned way".
>>747670860no, but rendering the whole room twice will
>>747669889Yes.People feel that only RTX mirror reflections are valid and that rendering the scene at a lower resolution using tricks is "primitive" according to Digital Foundry.
>>747670063It has to render the room twice, which can be substantially more taxing on the GPU. Same reason rifle scopes usually don't have a "picture in picture" view
>top clearly looks better>but look the ugly game has some pretend version of reflection!Dang i guess crysis is ugly cause no reflections
>>747672134Retards genuinely believe its impossible to render 2 rooms
>>747672134maybe stop rendering 5000000 pores in every character like anyone gives a fuck about that retarded shit
>>747672475Well first off bottom looks better aesthetically and second off it's pathetic that a AAA game from 2023 gets techmogged in any field by a game from 1996
>>747669151>1000000 polygonsif only they didn't stop mattering almost 20 years ago
>>747672117The "old fashioned way" you're referring has not been used for over 30 years, for a reason: it was obsolete already come ~2002.Also, fun fact: not even Duke 3D does the "copy of a room" shit you're referring. It actually does real-time cloning of the entire space AUTOMATICALLY, essentially creating a working projection without any manual labor needed.>>747672134>>747672437Like we've said a million times the past 2 decades: that's not how it works.Also, if drawing TWO (2) ROOMS is tanking your game's performance, you by the very definition have a shitty engine, and/or another pile of massive issues in your hands.Every single window and door is a "portal" in modern 3D games. The average post-DX9 era game should be able to show DOZENS of rooms and DOZENS of fully 3D characters with a full PBR texture workflow on them, with deferred or Foward+ rendering shading, and not even break a sweat.>Same reason rifle scopes usually don't have a "picture in picture" viewJust like with reflections, that's just pure laziness.You fags seem to be biting Nvidia's and EPIC's baits 24/7 and spreading their nonsense propaganda.
>>747672843>2026>still posting this retarded image
>>747673025>Every single window and door is a "portal" in modern 3D gamesAnon what the fuck are you talking about
Why dont they just render mirrors in like 720p or something
Quit perpetrating the myth that you have to render two rooms, thats just stupidDevs are just lazy, periodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dUqd95rFpA
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>>747672437>It has to render the room twice, which can be substantially more taxing on the GPU.i do not understand. plenty of games have more than one room in them.
>>747673119>underage doesnt know dimishing returnswhat a surprise
>>747672475The top thing looks boring and ugly as fuck. The hell are you babbling?>muh CrysisLiterally uses Planar reflections everywhere, unless you play on Potato mode.FC1 already did those as well.
>jeets defending their shit coding skills
>>747673186>See Mafia 3 webm>My mind immediately goes to that one kid streaming it and shitting himself in front of a 100 or so people watching himIt'll never not be funny how the mirror jumpscare and the sharting kid streamer are this game's only long lasting legacy.
>>747672134And how do you think real mirrors work?
>>747673261they exist but that image is retarded and wrong and not an example of diminishing returns in addition to everything shown in this 15 year old pic>hair and cloth are made out of 3d blobs>could use more polygons to have actual hair and cloth physics (ie. individual hair strands, tie/lapel/collar that isnt merged into the shirt itself)>could use even more polygons to support gore/gibs systems>video game scenes are made out of multiple objects, not 1 single bust of a guy>having more objects requires more polygons>a game that can support 10 characters on screen at 6k polygons each is obviously better than a game that can only support 1 character on screenkys you stupid nigger ape
>747673123>Anon what the fuck are you talking aboutLook it up. I know what I'm talking about.You don't just "cut a hole" in a wall and call it a day in game code.Every single opening is literally using the same tech as Portal's portals.Which are just another example of effortlessly working secondary projections, that you could even stack on top of each other back in 2007.>>747673132They literally could, and did for many years.But you really haven't needed to do that in ages.>>747673250He's a typical underage zoomie tech illiterate / Nvidia shill in disguise, parroting 2 decades old may mays he does not understand. Literally no better than "OMG your computer gaems gave the PC a virus!!" parents.Multiple game cameras have not been an issue in vidya for decades, and everything an actual mirror covers, culls stuff from the main camera to render.We could already do 100 square mile maps with destructible elements and 2000 polygonal enemies and projectiles back in 2010 with games like Serious Sam 3, on a GTX 560ti 1GB and 2-core Intel i3. Modern day UE5 toddlers are just lazy hacks.
>>747673318>Literally uses Planar reflections everywhere, unless you play on Potato modeNow post a reflection in a mirror disingenuous fag, that was what OP posted
>>747673621light reflection
>>747673763Not the point, you baiting imbecille.Planar reflections are planar reflections. Same tech can, and has been used for water reflections, glossy floor, and even actual mirrors, for 25 years now.
>>747673123not him but a ton of games use occlusion/distance culling to get fps boosts. instead of having rooms right next to each other, the rooms will be miles apart and the doorway connecting each room is a flat plane portal with a shader thats a video feed of the next room. walking into the portal teleports you to the next roomive made vrchat worlds that do this for optimizations sake lol
>>747673992This is pretty much how the 3D worlds have worked since the 1990s.Quake and Unreal engine used it extensively, as does Half-Life for obvious reasons.
>>747673626>not an example of diminishing returnsit definitely is
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>>747674643>Tiles on top have actual mapping, tiles on the bottom are just a textureFucking devs these days really are just lazy hacks
this is insane
>>747675997>lazy hacks trying to justify mirrors not working by physically breaking themMeanwhile CHADS that make games create working BROKEN mirrors!
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>>747676393
>Optimize your games!>NOOO not like this...
>>747677426quality crapcum as always
>>747669003whats the top game?
>>747676273For how much shit Duck Nukem Forever got, modern games seem to be less interactive
>>747677580Starfield, I think.
If I worked at a video game studio it would go down differently. There would be a lot of blood in those office and me saying "okay now we're going to impliment some fucking working mirrors"
>>747673956No one is talking about planar reflections, we talking about mirrors. Post far cry or crysis mirrors or piss off
>>747677914>anon massacres weak link in dev company>women most affected
>>747677929Reflections = Mirrors.Modern vidya suck at BOTH.Deal with it, troon.
>>747671817>>747676482hitman (IOI) is literally the only modern game company thats still doing mirrors properly and it actually has gameplay implicationsif you stand behind and npc thats standing in front of a mirror the npc will spot youwhat is their secret sauce and why are 99% of modern video games cant pull it off anymore? its so immersion breaking
>>747677914>SEE STEVE? >HOW HIS LIMB IS BLEEDING? >COPY THAT FOR THE GAME>NOW YOU GEORGE>SEE HOW RECORD HOW I BLOW IS BRAINS>I WANT YOU TO TO COPY IT EXACTLY IT IN THE GAMErelease the game before going to jail anon
>>747678257>what is their secret sauce and why are 99% of modern video games cant pull it off anymore?They actually care and want to show-off.That's something 99% of modern tryhard hacks don't even understand.Also, while the game sucks ass, that new 007 has functional mirrors as well.
>>747678402>SEE HOW RECORD HOW I BLOW IS BRAINStime to finish tenchu and fuck off from 4chan
>>747677914>>747678402this is the type of attention to detail modern video games need to bring back the SOVL
>>747669630This is actually really, really sad.
>>747672134More than ray tracing?
>>747672437>render the room twiceOh no, the open world game will have to render a 2 room
>>747678957Not even a fraction of Gay-tracing.
>>747679009Okay so why do devs go "but the performance impact!" when it comes to planar reflections even though ray tracing hits way harder?
>>747679282because modern devs are all indians that cant code and who just use default shit they are given by unreal enginerefer to>>747671817>>747676482>>747678467IOI is the only company left in 2026 that has white males coding for them, so they made their own engine and can actually do mirrors with excellent performance
Pic rel is a ps3 gameThe mirror reflects the entire room, while the floor faintly reflects what is above it and the strong light sources, much like a waxed wooden floor.New games cannot do that unless they use fake images, fake resolution, fake lighting, and fake graphics.
>>747679282>Okay so why do devs go "but the performance impact!" when it comes to planar reflections even though ray tracing hits way harder?They don't.Only the schizos on the forums, chat rooms, discussion boards and comment sections do ... because they are nowadays plagued by corpo-homo shills (yes, really) and ignorant underage trolls who parrot ages old memes without understanding any of the terminology.Modern day "devs" don't even talk about it!They just keep slapping SSR on everything, or even forcing RT as a requirement to start a game at worst these days.And in case an actual dev comes out and comments on the subject matter, the criticism comes usually AFTER they've wasted shittons of resources on pointless shit like fully modeled pubic hair with 4K PBR texture sets, or whatnot.Which then results their games looking AND running like shit... which leads to streamlining and shortcuts, like changing transparency and lighting effects from smooth 8-bit gradients, into dithered 1-bit noise fests, just to gain a few extra frames. But then they coat that shit with Temporal AA, which makes the game look smudgy and blurry as fuck + ruins the performance further......So they succumb to using Upscalers (DLSS / FSR / XeSS...) to improve the performance! But now all the noise and ghosting are extra bad, and distant / fine details are practically eliminated... In the rare, and I mean RARE case when a dev that knows his shit steps up and opens his mouth, the #1 criticism towards Planar Reflections is the fact that you pretty much have to use them on a flat surface. There's many "Uhm, Axhully...!" exceptions to this as well, but that's what the Nvidia shills are using as a leverage when shilling their terribly implemented RT slop.CryTek actually had a very performant, crisper, less ghosting and 100% open-platform ray tracing solution that they demonstrated already few years ago, but the company going down and investors burying their creations kinda killed it.
>>747679701What game is that?
>>747671967>ue4 featureNow try enabling that in Creation 2, RED engine, Cryengine, Chrome, etc.. Oh wait. >>747673626>>747672437The only two posts with value ITT.
>>747680129yakuza 5, you as Haruka who wish to become a idol
>>747676482post the one where the woman sees you in the mirror and reacts to 47 drawing his gun, that's even cooler. iirc it was added in ™2 and works for the japan level too.
>>747680206>Now try enabling that in Creation 2, RED engine, Cryengine, Chrome, etc.. Literal skill issue.This crap was already in Source and UE1.>>747680461>womanyou mean a nigger?
>>747681097no the woman from the santa fortuna level, delgado's wife. you can see her while she's preening at her mirror and if you pull a gun she'll react to the reflection of you doing it.
>>747681097>I have no idea what I'm talking about but am very opinionatedk
>>747681472Neat, hadn't seen that one before.>>747681495If you say so, buster.
>>747680271ARE YOU READY GO! Hashiridasou! Toriisogi saa START!that shit is burned into my mind
>GBA game had proper reflections on WATERGRIM
Aren't mirrors troon coded? Aren't they there just to look at your female toon?
>>747683338Troons hate mirrors because, unlike people, they can't be forced to lie.
>>747677712This game still has a better art style, better gameplay and better graphics than 90% of AAA slop
>>747683338Trannies hate mirrors because it shows them their true self (not as much as they hate themselves though).
>>747681097source you actually can't do it very convincingly, which is why mods that did mirrors as a flex like underhell used render targets instead
>>747683459>>747683923What does that have to do in vidya which shows the lie that they're cute and valid anime girls?
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>>747682903>Mega Drive game had proper reflections on WATERhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU32nE609bQ(skip to 32:21)
>>747684023Wait this is reddit
>>747671817Duke3D didn't require a top of the line PC. Quake, which came out the same year, did.
>>747684118There was a time in the distant past when reddit wasn't so fucking insufferable and every post didn't carry a hamfisted "Trump bad" message
>>747684103Also this. Starts as a clear reflection, becomes a total mess as the monster emerges from the lake.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp0wmKdmP9A(skip to 20:25)
>>747684103>Mega DriveNobody called it that. It was the Super Nintendo.
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>>747684103thanks for the nostalgia anon . i completely forgot of that game existing and playing it
>>747683934Ruskies flexed by putting them into the GoldSrc.
>>747669003Here's a better one. Pretty sure not a single modern game has an implementation that allows this
Isn't this all about forward vs deferred rendering?
>>747673956Game?
