What makes a gacha game have soul over the other ones?
>>747673650You can have trash with soul paint over it, but to actually have soul it must be uncorrupted by perversions like the gacha genre itself
>>747673650squeezy cheeks
>>747673650I tried Endfield and it was the most miserable gacha experience I've ever had Putting it on the "passion project" side is a reach to say the least
>>747673650>gacha>soul
>>747673650Despite me hating you gachaniggers with entirety of my heart. I at least I respect and like Mica Team for actually using you paypigs as funding for proper games even though I care less, same goes for ShiftUp. Cygames gets the rope for ReLink having gorillion "DLCs" bullshit. But I wanted to ask any arknightfags, what stops Hypergryph from doing the same Mica is doing? If they genuinely wanted an anime factory game, why not make it standalone normal game like Reverse Collapse and don't bother with genshit intrusion?
Endfielders are so pathetic
>>747673650>endfield>passion project
>>747673650lol
>>747673650>passion projectis this what SEAnigs are calling their favorite gachaslops at the bottom of those charts now
>>747673650I dunno but whatever Morimens is doing is soul
>>747673650a wolverine thread died for this
Genshin was/is reaaally fun to play, huge world to explore, cute characters, charming graphics and i think calling it trash for being gacha is not nice. I don't care if i can't play as the latest character it's still fun to play with the characters i already own.
>>747675586they made 1 mobile game ex astris or something like that and thats it
>>747673650>Passion projectrumao, if it was a passion project they wouldn't have euthanized the story to make it more digestible for genshintards and completely revamped the gameplay.
>>747673650>Endfield passion project>When they were shilling black culture just to try to pander to the west>Ended up flopping so hard they had to relaunch the game for 1.4LMAOSame story has zzz, go woke go broke
>>747679493kill yourself jeety
For me soul is an indication of how much the devs care about the game beyond money. That is to say, anything related to a sellable product (playable characters, skins, etc.) is disqualified from being soulful. Soul relates to the amount of effort that goes into irrelevant shit that 99% of the playerbase doesn't care about at all like background NPC storylines and minor world details. With these standards in mind Genshin has the most soul
>>747673650Fixed your image you retarded jeet
>>747679820this is your dogshit game 6 years later despite making billions
>>747676729wuwajeets found dead in a ditch
>>747673650>hat makes a gacha game have soul over the other onesno
>>747678538They also made Popucom
>>747673650Endfield started as a passion project, and 3 years of development hell completely drained the soul out of it.
There isn't a single gacha that has or ever will exist that has even a microscopic iota of soul.
>>747678538>mobile game...why? What thought process went to restrict it to mobile where payed mobile games have long outlived their past since mobile is an inherently shitty medium that just inconveniences the game. Granted though, the game mentioned could very much be honkai star rail alternative and is like old version of what Dragonsword did, being a genshit clone made into single player game. >>747680554Wishlisted for the time I would find the mythical friends who actually bother with vidya and would bother for some better friendslop. Also the fuck.. What fucking stops hypergryph from even attempting to treat Arknights the same way? For at least a single title...
>>747679871>flopfield>moneymakerdumb paki
>>747674095this
how many gacha companies have even made real games? seems like the minority rather than the norm. the biggest one (hoyo) sure as fuck doesn't seem interested in making a real game ever
>>747673650So does this image imply Genshin is both a money maker and a passion project, a bit of both or none at all?
>>747682204Shift up, Mica, and cygames
>>747682204Shift up the company from nikke and the game was a piece of garbage and ended up floppingThey thought real gamers were as braindead as the gachashit ones and would buy their crap
>>747681919The point of the image is that gachas only exist to drain you of your time and moneyI know it's hard for you to grasp since you jeets only care about numbers and money that you'll never have
>>747681210>What thought process went to restrict it to mobile where payed mobile games have long outlived their past since mobile is an inherently shitty medium that just inconveniences the game.It's honestly the most retarded move evermake a single player non gacha gameput it on mobile onlyit's like the want to say "look, when we make non gacha game it will flop, so let us keep milking gachaslop to keep our company open!"bunch of stupid retards
>>747680554Why do I see this fat bastard everywhere? This is getting tiring really..
>passion project>endfieldgot me baited
Where does Wizardry fit on the chart
>>747674671
>>747682392>drain you of your time>EFIf anything they are complaining about the lack of respetable endgame and equipment grind not bound to random stats
>>747682462I don't even know who he is
>gacha trash>soulPlease never use words you don't understand.
>>747682462Industry plant funded by Nexon to promote whaling, no i'm not joking.
i swapped from genshit to zzz to hsr to wuwa to endfield, i still play hsr and endfieldthat being said, the cp2077 colab in wuwa absolutely dwarfs every other colab in any other gacha game
All gacha games except for low budget anime tie in games are more soulful than 90% of all AAA games released recently
I wish endfield remained a passion project
>>747682979>>747676729
>>747682392>let me spout some nonsense about the things I have no idea aboutwhy are brown people like this?
>>747682392RetardYou sound like someone who plays Nintendo games
>>747682204homo doesn't even care about making games, they just make games to look good for shareholdersAll they care about is selling merch, hence why 80 percent of the money they make goes into marketing instead of their games
>>747683463>>747683693>Chink shills this ass blasted that normal sane individuals will never see ytheir chore simulators plastered with slot machines as anything but slopfunny.
>>747683853if they're only interested in selling merch, why do they squeeze the game players so hard, feels like the opposite of what they should be doing which is to retain and entice new players. hsr devs feel like they have actual malice towards their players with how quickly they powercreep and rugpull
>>747673650>could have spent most of your budget in graphic quality to please the average gachatard and go easy on the rest>instead had a real time story for 3 years where you follow the idol club’s every move>mocapped real time streams with the characters every other day>mocapped real time concerts once every month, seiyuus had to learn those dances on the moment with the characters >despite their most popular characters being the older girls they had the balls to graduate them and continue their most popular whole thing in real time>due to the previous point and the game not attractions à ton of people the company goes bankrupt but still manages to complete the MC’s 3 years in high schoolHonestly the only gacha that I have respected.
>>747673650At least they accurately called out Wuwa as a soulless money-hungry Mihoyo clone.Fuck that game.
the /vg/ thread died for this
>>747673650>Endfield>PassionLMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>747682350? They made Stellar Blade, which certainly wasn't a flop and it's even getting a sequel.
>>747673650>gacha>soullol
>>747673650Some just do>>747674095Came to post thisWhat would a trickcal non gacha look like? Tower mode aside, you could just slap some Puzzle game (puyo, tetris, panel, etc.) and i would pay money for it.
>>747673650Endfield is the most soulless corpo slop out of these gachas, lol.
>>747682465PLEASE let them make a non gacha Wizardry game
>>747682308Do you know how sliders work? Post skin colour.
>>747673650Endfield is not remotely as interesting as the teaser trailer presented itself to be.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So84QFZWYOQ
>>747673650Yes, I enjoyed gacha games more than AAAslop or indieslop. Genshin Impact isn't even my first gacha game, that was Cosmic Break back in 2012.Genshin was the first open world gacha game, tho. And I love the novelty of it. Being able to play it for free while the richfags pay for my game? Nice. I also liked the characters and story more than corposlop or pozzedslop localized by """NORMAL"""" games. These games savwd my sanity from 2014 to the present and thanks to them I don't have to tolerate SJW stupidity and keep liking actual sexy women.
>>747679493On the 2 years you've been spamming this image, you're right for once. Endfield is trash and the new yuricuck shit in ZZZ flopped hard.
>all the anti-endfieldfags ITT seething because they got filtered by the gacha rules and a couple factory tutorialslmao
>>747687808I got filtered by the game fucking sucking yea
>>747673650gachas are soulless by default
>>747673650Whether or not it's owned by the Chinese>Japanese GachaCan have soul>Korean GachaCan have soul>Chinese GachaNever has soul
>passion project>gacha
>>747673650cute creatures with lots of memes.
>>747679493Everything that has girls that are cuter than Eula is black culture to you manila troon.
>>747673650>gambling for anime womenHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
>endfield>passion projectI remember AKfags shitting their pants in anger because the game was an obvious cash grab to make yet another ARPG gacha.
>>747688124making money off lonely losers can be a passion
>>747688274I just realized the average genshin player (foids) doesn't even know who Eula is.
>>747673650mona
>>747673650Kys
>>747688274Eula is really beautiful what are you talking about
>>747691147How did a helichurl camp get connected to the internet?
>>747679871thanks for fixing itt. played 2 of those
>>747673650People will crucify me for saying this, but Love and Deepspace is probably the most soulful gatcha. I desperately wish a gatcha designed for heterosexual men had half the passion that game’s devs put into the game.Is there even a character action gatcha that’s stolen the idea of tag team fighting alongside your waifu rather than genshin style character swapping?
>>747679820truly nothing can be more soulful than implementing roblox so that your playerbase can make derivative brainrot psuedogames for you while you sell cosmetics to skim a profit off the top
>>747679820Genshin’s not even the most soulful hoyo game using that as the metric.
>>747679493Mindbroken Filipinx
>>747692214Has any professional racist ever investigated why all east Asians are smart, get good grades, build successful societies and tech and all that but Filipinos perform on the level of blacks? Not only is their country a shithole that isn't growing at all, but the Filipinos I met in school were dumb as shit. Imagine being Asian and failing out of math class, that's Filipinos, in America at least.Like even Indians outside India are CEOs and shit. The Philippines might be the one country whose people match the state of their country.
>>747673650Fuck off.
>>747692609What's funny is every account I've heard just confirms this. Like Taiwan makes all the world's computer chips, but they have a labor shortage cuz they aren't having kids like everyone else. So they import Filipinos to do the work, but they're literally the worst workers ever, they're too incompetent to work in a chip fab. So now Taiwan has to import Indians to do the job.
>I like non-gacha games because they have the real gameplay
>>747692793>Focus, W
>>747691563everything I hear is that it's insanely jewish by the standards of nearly all other gacha
>>747692793it's funny, I was actually about to compare >>747680071to wolverine
>>747692793there was a similar sequence in the new RE. Normalfags can't complain about gacha at all
>>747692793Wuwa QTEs are like this too, aren’t they?
>>747693967yep
>>747692793Yes, you can find non-gacha games with gameplay as bad as gacha games. The key difference is that you can also easily find plenty of non-gacha games with excellent, challenging gameplay that you CAN'T find in gacha games.Did you know that you are in fact allowed to choose which games you play?
>>747673650puffy cheeks
>>747673650gachas cant have soul
>>747694948Post your max risk CC clear
>>747673650>got raped so hard on the jeet gacha chart pvp so it's now a passion project to copelol endfags can't catch a break.
>>747695306I don't play AK, but I gave genshin and wuwa more than a fair shot, engaging meaningfully with everything their deepest metas and endgame content had to offer. There could be interesting systems at play, but they were deeply, fundamentally compromised by their inherent natures as live-service games where the only really challenging content was always designed as an advertisement to sell the latest units.
>I don't play DOTA, but I gave Sims enough of a shot to know that videogames are not for methe most logical normalfaggot
>>747686090I want a triggal traditional four chibbas in a row RPGJust use the Eldyne sisters as the main party (using their fantasy skin designs), add some more chibbas in fantasy costumes (that they cal sell as skins in the main gacha), and claim the whole thing takes place in an AU, or that it's all make-believe so people can't argue about how canon it is
>>747695879>too afraid to quote>also too afraid to directly address the core argument, instead opting to attack a made-up strawmanfaggot little brownoid
>>747695119
>>747679820>Soul relates to the amount of effort that goes into irrelevant shit that 99% of the playerbase doesn't care about at all like background NPC storylines and minor world details. With these standards in mind Genshin has the most soulI can't speak for Genshin since I don't play it, but in Wuwa, background npcs will literally perform entire skits/stories in silence as you move through the environment. Enemy monsters can be seen fighting each other over territory. Sometimes you'll see human enemies fighting enemy monsters too. There are countless subtleties that most players will miss if they simply beeline the main story quest
>no soulappeals to weeb waifufags and/or coomers>souleither remains a niche title one paycheck away from eos or starts pandering to the aforementioned subhumans and loses its soulcursed genre
>>747696138In Genshin, I'd say it's hidden exploration objective. Some are pretty random, like following a beast through half the Sumeru jungle. Some are quest-likes, with dialogues and progression, but no journal entries to track them.
>>747675586Hypergryph isn't on the same level as MHY or Cygames yet.Endfield is their HSR or Cinderella Girls.
>>747696572And? Does that stop Mica Team and ShiftUp?Nigger, they maintain gachas, they gather actual billions of ameribucks in a year alone. How fucking hard it is to secure a budget of few million if not even ape the triple gAy budget line used for actual good purpose of developing a game? Worst case scenario couldn't the CEO literally line it out of his own pocket considering Very hundreds of millions a year go to CEO's paycheck alone?
Anything which gacha monetization= full lean to the "moneymaker"Graphics aren't "soul" or "passion"Soundtrack isn't "soul" or "passion"Voice actors aren't "soul" or "passion"It's literally all money, all spent with the intent of appearing high quality enough to get moneyDo not mistake for a second that a Chinese company would give you any of the following without 100% moneymaking incentive:>multiplayer>liveservice>gacha>character creator>Quality, famous Japanese Voice acting (they are probably frothing from their mouths that a big percentage of gacha players are using japanese voices over english or chinese, who would downright never play in the first place if the game did not have an option for JP VA)
Same as everything else. Visual arts and sciences performed through circumstances and business models, versus under them.Sincerity and fascination is not something anyone is going to be able to describe or define to you. It just is.Separate opinions on a personal level you did not ask for. I'm still not that easy. My phone is older, and most gacha will not run well if they are supported at all. No intentions to upgrade for some years: it is for web browsing, mail and calls. Most gacha do not seem to be worth the PC install either.Why is every game seemingly built to be buried, would it be that hard to plan for offline capability and open bundle releases from day one? Privacy concerns.
Endfield couldn't have been inflicted on a nicer group of Hyperfaggots. How's that company reputation going?
>>747697010>Does that stop Mica Team and ShiftUp?Hypergryph isn't ShiftUp tho.>How hardIn China? Very, unless you want the game to be shit, like Black Wu Kangs.
>>747673650Gachas can’t have soul
>>747673650>which turd tastes the best
If Genshin didn't catch the ire of tendies 6 years ago most of you gacha haters wouldn't even exist. I guarantee you 99% of gachaseethers here exist only because Genshin stepped on your tendie toes.
>>747673650The only gacha I've played that felt like a passion project was Nikke and its predecessor.
>>747673650Why is your "passion project" has the worst fucking gacha and monetization in existence? Or is it passion just because its flopped?
>Only the game I play is passion project
>>747705458>If Genshin didn't catch the ire of tendies 6 years agoImagine being such a newturd you think gacha hate didn’t exist before genchink.
>>747705836NopeIt was mostly non existent before Genshin. In fact gacha discussion in general wasn't really a thing until Genshin released.
>>747705836he specifically mentioned how angry the nintendo community got at genshin because of the resemblence to bottom of the well
>>747673650>weapon gachaNot remotely a passion project. They just want to drain the whales.
>>747706016gachashit was hated since its inception, it just wasn't talked about as much back then because it wasn't as prolific
>>747707345Nah most people either didn't care about it or didn't know it existed. It's only when Genshin released that the common man became aware of it and it was also the moment when tendies turned against Genshin and every other gacha by "genre association".I've been here for decades. Gachahate is a tendie coping response.
>>747707581Huge cope, gachafag acceptance only increased over time, very unfortunately
>>747707581I miss those covid threads. There were so many people actually angry on twitter and youtube it was really entertaining
>turd worlders ITT coping that their free to play pay to win slot machines will never be real videogamessad!>muh nintendiesI only play games on PC albeit.
>>747708278I'm sure you do bozo
>>747708620This is the brownest image macro I've seen for a while. Checks out.
>>747673650Gacha soul is the content and not the waifus.Sometimes it feels like those chinks are rly happy that you whaled out for the 5000 year old loli and the standard patches have more going on than a 40 bucks bungie expansion.
>>747708656Turn off your screen if you want to see something even browner
>>747673650>Game that completely changed its combat system because playtesters whined is a passion projectUh?
>>747707581insane revisionism, people (rightfully) laughed at FGO's "players" from the time it launched.
>>747674095>>747682029>>747686090Why do anti-gacha fags love Trickal so much? Is it one of those browser games that can even be ran for south american super poors?
>>747692793the WUWA sequel looking fire
>>747673650>you are supposed to remember the game by a character portrait
>>747711075If the game is iconic enough you will have no problem with that.
>>747711075It's the app store icon. Basically the game's logoIt just so happens that all the gacha games use an anime girl portrait as their logo
>>747692793https://streamable.com/9bm746>>747693967Yep
>>747711075>pretending to be retarded
>>747673650>passion projectSays the game that sold its dignity to fortnite for desperation marketing
>>747673650>Mihoyo>passion projectLOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
>>747708620>censored camera>censored granny panties>no bikini>lolicon NPC censored after SJW (the true audience of mihoyo the feminist company who hates otakus) complained about it
>>747673650Cute creatures and how F2P friendly it is.
>>747695675You can solo clear every level six hologram with the main character. Wuwa is the least pushy about new units toting the meta. At least spend 10 seconds researching when you pretend to know what you're talking about.
>>747711075it's not hard if you aren't terminally autistic
>>747673650>shartfieldpassionlole good bait got me to reply
>>747673650>gacha>passion project
>>747698223>They should make my perfect game for free. You're delusional. You think an orchestra plays Mozart pieces out of respect? Did the actors in your favorite film show up at the set for free? What an unobserved and childlike perspective.
>>747673650Idk, to me having characters you can't play is unredeemable. I played genshin and liked a character and didn't get him and he expired and apparently his rerun would've been more than a year later. It's just wrong. I like your game, I want to play your game, just let me play your game. Can I at least pay to get him? No, because he's expired. It's weird. Maximum FOMO genre. It's a shame cause I like the worlds and the characters.
>>747696397There are huge voiced questlines in wuwa you can completely miss. Some of the game's best music is hidden in overworld exploration. Non playable NPCs have the same level of design as the main cast. There are passive conversations between NPCs that follow major story beats or even hint at things going on elsewhere in the world long before the story actually gets there.
>>747714208How much is having your favorite character worth though? If everything else in the game is good, why let this one part ruin it? This isn't a defense of the gacha model, rather it's a question of what movies actually drive you.
>>747714208For me it's the opposite. The fact that I can't just pick the meta team and have to experiment with what I have is what makes these games fun. If you want a particular character, you just save your rolls to guarantee the pity instead of being a compulsory rolling gambling addict.
>>747714583I just want to do what I like. It's a game.>>747714847I don't care about meta, I wanted a character I like. I was still new to the genre and didn't have enough rolls ready. Any other genre, I can either unlock the character somehow or even buy it. But not here. Here the character becomes completely unavailable for months or even years.
>>747716179>Any other genre, I can either unlock the character somehow or even buy it.Surprise, you can buy a character in gacha. You can even get a discount if you're lucky.
>>747716418Not if he's expired. And it could take years for him to come back.
>>747710929The biggest appeal is the story and characters which are both extremely accessible as an F2P. I'd still prefer if it wasn't a gacha of course.
>>747713975I'm extremely familiar with wuwa's endgame and meta, actually. Holograms are a fun little bit of permanent content, but you get, what, a single pull for clearing one on all difficulties? You have 5 minutes to kill it, you can clear holos with basically whatever you want if you don't die. I guess it's fair to call holos challenging content that usually doesn't shill that hard.But the 3 real endgame modes that give way more rewards and take way more time are all timed DPS checks with highly tailored buffs which is where the shilling comes in. Hope you're ready for 4.x to be full of "unison" characters and new bosses and buffs all designed around unison shit.And more to the core point, kuro has been actively sabotaging characters' kits to kill quickswap and skill expression, which can be directly blamed on wuwa's nature as a gacha game. They don't WANT players getting higher DPS by being more skilled, they want you to do more DPS by pulling more (and sometimes by grinding). For 1.x and most of 2.x basically every character was fun. 3.x was hit-and-miss, with the back half looking like it'll be 5 misses with 1 hit, if they don't fix hsin and suoming. A promising combat system, being destroyed by live-service phone game kikery.Genshin went down a similar trajectory. Had cool teambuilding based around universal mechanics, particularly elemental reactions. Now the only thing that matters is activating that region's newly-introduced shill reactions that your old units can't trigger, and pairing the shilled DPS with their super-tailored BiS support(s). It went to shit precisely BECAUSE it was a gacha game.
Mfs be jerking off to emoji's they paid for, gacha is sad af
>>747716179I've only ever seen waifu and husbando retards care this much about "owning" a specific character. It's fine to have favorites, but it's not like having them in your roster lets you use them canonically outside of their actual in game content, which is available for everyone. >>747716850Rebecca is basically built for quick swaps and seriously competes for BIS in two meta teams. She's free. Tower is still being cleared by solo danjin.Wastes is still bodied by phrolova, with sigrika being her only competitor.Matrix is the only one you're right about, and it's made for whales and try hards specifically. If you can field 10 decent teams you can get all the astrites by just knowing how to play and saving your best teams for the later rounds. Unison is probably just going to be a Hsin comp thing that can come online via dupes like Mornye's S1 for shifting or Suisui's debuff consumption. There's no reason to doom and gloom yourself unless you actually like being miserable.
>>747717259I just want to play what i like. Every other genre lets me do that. You can't understand that cause you're already used to the abuse
>itt: gacha goycattle arguing which money sink is less shit
>>747717540I don't see it as abuse. It's a minor cost that doesn't interfere with my enjoyment of the game meaningfully. It's in the same category as bullshit like BOTW's weapon durability, NIOH's DLC loot ladder, or having to download third party software to engage in path of exile's economic pvp. No game does everything right, but if you're too inflexible to see the good in the bad you're the only one losing.
I'm glad I decided to play Genshin when it came out6 years later and I'm still having fun.
>>747673650>gacha>passion projectdepends on which, all started as a passion project that devolved into shit.Eitherway gacha's dont have soul per say, some do obviously but not all. it just depends on which, though they have more soul than the average ball and gun game for sure.it just depends on many criterias, still gacha's are shit and you are better off buying actual non gacha games.>t. plays gachas too
>>747717786>defends gachaslop>references some of the worst games ever madePottery.
>>747717948Better off buying games instead of playing free games that are comparable? Gacha existing doesn't mean you have to make it a central part of your interaction with the game. >>747717964If you don't think there's anything redeemable between Nioh, BOTW, and PoE then you're the problem bub. Let me guess, you play FPS and busywork fetch games like Assassin's Creed exclusively?
>>747717259>Rebecca is basically built for quick swaps and seriously competes for BIS in two meta teams. She's free.I'm aware, the QS team of lucy/reb/mornye is one of the reasons I said 3.x has so far been hit or miss instead of more miss than hit.>Tower is still being cleared by solo danjin.Side towers sure, not middle. There has been notable HP inflation in tower and power creep among characters, that's not really up for debate, and buffs are highly tailored to new units. Just another way gacha makes games worse.>Wastes is still bodied by phrolovaAnd... aren't you annoyed that like 75% of whiwas for the last year have had havoc resist specifically in an attempt to nerf her? Another gacha problem. Whiwa buffs are just as specialized as tower (also fuck them for getting rid of plunderer, all healer team was cool)>Unison is probably just going to be a Hsin comp thingLeakers have suggested it'll also be Lily's thing in 3.8, and that it'll be to 4.x what tune break was to 3.x and what stellar is to genshin 7.x, and lunar was to genshin 6.x, and night soul was to 5.x, etc etc. Gacha designers WILL pull new mechanics out of their ass on a regular basis to make people gamble for new characters.Look, again, I know all about the cool teams you can play in wuwa and the cool things people do. Doesn't change my core point: the game is deeply, fundamentally compromised by being a gacha. Everything good about it is dumbed down because it's a gacha, and most of its flaws can be directly blamed on the fact that it's gacha. Gachas basically top out at being 8/10 games by their very nature and will never be able to compete with the best that real games have to offer.
>>747718190I mean its mostly that gacha's are a bit too predatory, atleast the hoyo onessome gacha's are good and i'll be honest i'm personally waiting for some gacha's to drop (ananta, petit planet, roco's kingdom) and i do play some.
>>747673650None of these have soul. Gacha is a soulless genre. Unless its something more weird and artsy like Aniimo.
>>747673650>passion project>multiple rewritesnah manpassion projects stubbornly stick to their vision
Genshin is peak. My femboy told me about it last month. I can't put it down
>>747718205You have a real point about the DNA being constrained here, but an 8/10 that supplies years of free content is pretty fucking incredible anon. I don't see the reason for the vitriol. It's not like you can only play one game at a time or you lose the enjoyment of other games when Wuwa or whatever you're into is on your hard drive. When final fantasy resonance comes out I'm going to play the crap out of it. That won't interfere with or be interfered by wuthering waves.Board culture being what it is, it's too tempting to be a contrarian asshat that just shits on everything to intone your superiority to every interest. Wuwa does a lot of things right and I'm glad I picked it up. If it stops being enjoyable I'll stop playing it and move on.
>>747718205You can quickswap with virtually all of the 3.x cast, what are you on about? Yapyap literally requires quick swap to even compete with Hiyuki and Aemeath. Most calcs have QS Sui/Lyn/Hiy 4iai at the top of the meta right now even.
>>747673650>daily chore simulator>game
>>747718974That's at s3. S0/R1 premium team tier lists are something like YYXL/Chisa/Suisui two feather QSHiyuki/Lucilla/Suisui 4iai QSQingxiao/Denia/Mornye 123Aemeath/Lynae/Mornye QSThen whatever Jingran's team is followed by a bunch of neck and neck hypercarries. Realistically though, the top 15 or 20 teams can clear everything the game has to offer at mid to high investment. You can still break 5k in ESM with 1.0 units like Encore and Jiyan. They're in my personal rotation for the first round and both rely on old supports (Sanhua and Mortefi respectively)
>>747718582that's a fair outlook, and I consume them similarly, although I'm probably more annoyed by how much time they demand for dumb chores. If I come off as vitriolic it's partially because I started this reply chain responding to >>747692793 who was being fucking retarded.>>747718974>You can quickswap with virtually all of the 3.x cast"Can" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Here's the chars I would call actually QS-friendly on the same level we used to get in 1.x and 2.x:>aemeath>hiyuki>denia>lucy>rebecca>yapyapAnd I'm being generous here since many of these chars have annoying cutscene creep.The rest all have some cancerous restriction to deliberately hobble them and their teams if you try to have too much fun. Sometimes these restrictions can be worked around to an extent, sometimes not. But we almost never got ACTUAL garbage like Luuk, Sigrika, Lucilla, Suisui, QX, etc before 3.x; now garbage is my default expectation.
>>747673650Bait used to be believable
>>747719650You can quickswap lucilla in two locations actually, during the animation on her perfect hold E and after her ult while performing the follow-up BA 1 and 2. The best Hiyuki team relies on this because the glommoth buff or suisui's 6 second timer will fall off during the 4iai rotation if you don't trigger Hiyuki's first ult on the second or third global after swapping. The other four aren't flexible, but that 123 loop is already considered high level play by the average person trying to burn their fingerprints off by playing wuwa on a phone. At least they're still useful. Roccia, Cantarella, and to a lesser extent Carlotta might as well be 1.x characters.
>>747673650>gacha game>soul
>>747673650>Chinese "people">soul
>>747673650ZZZ has soul
>>747720021I also want to add that they're still including dual mode units that specifically allow more team flexibility, so they're not giving up on older units in favor of the latest and greatest. I'd really like to see some of the older ones get buffs though, especially the Rover variants. Havoc in particular is just plain bad and needs some changes. Aero and spectro still have niche uses, but they're not even at modern (Buling) 4 star levels.
>>747673650>gachashit>passion projectIf your passion is making money and/or morally corrupting idiots, then sure. Otherwise those two are incompatible.
>>747720021I know about lucilla's windows, there's like no characters who have ZERO swap potential. Point is her kit is much more restrictive than what we used to get, and she actually just feels bad even outside of the swap restrictions. And the China chars have been much closer to Lucilla in design philosophy than hiyuki.
>>747673650genshin has zero soul now
>>747676729The fuck. Is the entire internet just using me as the fucking source reference???
>>747691147I always wanted to pull her but even to this day they have her nerfed for some reason. They even had this entire expansion that caters to Ice and she gets no love.
>>747692609Corruption. It is not that hard to figure out. Also being too religious is a problem so you roll over when people do evil on you. If they were medieval Christian they would have faired better setting all the obvious corrupt families to the torch.
>>747720651genshin has as much soul as it always had
>>747720651yeah it's complete fucking slop throughout, only HSR has less soul now
>>747720494Lucilla is also really fast and has miniscule screentime, but I'll admit I don't actually like her gameplay much. I only have her because her synergy with hiyuki and the camera gathering thing is legitimately overpowered. Anyway, I think the dev team is just going through a phase. They've been pretty experimental since Augusta. Tune break changed the game, but not so much that I don't still stomp content with characters that don't interact with it, so at the moment I'm not worried about the direction we've been seeing in the recent patches. It's premature. If 4.1 rolls through and wuwa turns into HSR then that's when to be upset. That said, if the visuals and story stay where they're at I'd probably keep playing regardless. Despite the bellyaching, everything in 3.x except the voidwyrm and the dark side has been at least better than average. And 3.1/.3/.4 speak for themselves.
>>747691147A better Eula came out this year.Old Eula is mid.
>>747721184Did you just imply a gacha game has good story?Time for your meds. Now.
>>747673650nobody who ever made a gacha game had passion for giving people a good videogame
>>747720651>genshin has zero soul nownah uhhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBXB8yvXJjohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I7CAN9Pxp0
>>747673650>do minor side quest>become friends with that npc>few days later she sends you a letter saying how things are and how she's been>says someone gave her oranges and she also wants to plant an orange tree because they were delicious>decide to go to the place you met her, without being told to by the letter or any markers>there's a few oranges with a "for you" noteIt's shit like this that makes you feel part of that world. Small details that didn't NEEDED to be done, but feel good
>>747720651Yeah, but then they put random stuff like this>>747721072 so retards eat it up. There is definitely some issues with part of the team making this game
>>747722850>cool stuff = bad actually
>>747722850>the dev is adding things people like and the people are eating it up
Reverse1999 and Mahjong Soul are pure SOVL
>>747692609Filippinos are the product of getting raped by every other nation. Infantry sent to invade places like the filippines dosn't consist of the best genetic stock, and as a result filipinos have all the retard genes of every culture combined.
>>747692736>they're too incompetent to work in a chip fabAre YOU competent enough to work in the best chip fab in the world?
>>747692609I met a flip during my short time working, made friends with that fella and he is one of most down bad fellow ive ever met, changes his personality whenever close to a women, wanted to fuck and hit on every woman he meets, nigga does not even look very good but he scores, none of his relationship ever last tho. Kind of and ass friend too since he'd turn on your and abandon you whenever. That pretty much soured my mood of pinoys.
>>747718326ananta isn't gacha
>>747679493i had these posts filtered but got curious when thread was bumped without anything new being posted so i checked.L M A O this guy is STILL spamming his black culture pic even to this day, and it has become even more schizo now. All because I criticized wuwa 2 years ago and it became his life mission to hate on zzz hahah.
>>747683025That's a low bar and you know it
>>747721958Reverse collapse
>>747725149I dunno. The peenoise I know are huge mysoginists who fucking hate women who are not their mom. They're like midget latin americans.
>>747673650The only gachas I can cautiously call passion projects are PGR, OG AK and Counterside
>>747723401>reverse1999it had soul originally but they have long since abandoned that path and focused on pandering to mentally deranged agp incels
>>747692793lol
>>747673650How did zoomers get groomed into thinking gachas were acceptable?
>>747726981>fucking hate women who are not their momBased
>>747728882They're the only games worth the price in the 80 dollar nip shovelware and w*stoid slop economy
>>747673650Basically in the gacha world, if you aren't playing Genshin, you are a non-person. Over at /gig/ we don't even discuss other games or the losers who waste their time or money there. They're pathetic, yet they constantly seethe and spam our threads. Meanwhile we focus on builds, fiscal responsibility, rolling for who you like and funny memes. Among gachas, our 4chan soccer team is consistently ranked the highest (look it up.) We might be from the same Hoyoverse but you are NOT my brother and Paimon would shoot you in the back of the head if you showed your ugly face.
>>747728882because games nowadays are out of zoomers wallets due of how expensive they are. literally zoomers are forced to play roblox/any free games or cheap 'friendslop' games because they are price gouged from any big AAA modern titles due of price and hardware issuesso its all back to gachas because they are free, its that simpleAlso blame the coof for causing genshin to get HUGE
>>747674170It's a passion project in that they're sticking to their guns and are fully willing to employ gameplay elements that normie gacha players would bounce off of.
>>747729519>what is gamepassYeah I know subscription slop bad but if you're really a poor gamer, this is basically a godsend. If we had gamepass back in the day we wouldn't have needed to spend $60 on assassin's creed, halo reach, gears of war etc. not to mention we paid for Xbox live too so we were already on a subscription model. And the one PC in your house with AOL dial-up shit was probably giving Blizzard $15 a month anyway.
>>747729878Issue is that gamepass is rally limited to anyne with a xbox and or a windows PC. in most thirdieland shitholes people just play on their phones
I love Mona
i love valkia
>>747707581FGO, GBF, and the other 2nd wave gachas have been openly mocked since before they received English localisations, you genuinely sound too young to be posting with such authority on the matter.
>>747728882Because zoomers are not afraid to try new things and are less susceptible to propaganda. Like look at that unc's eyes losing the will to live as his world shatters around him.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXYgQzAEt7U
>I only like gacha games where I can flip the cosmetics for real moneyJust be honest and say that.
>>747673650>passion project>the most boring gacha everlmao
>>747730570a lot of youtubers are just jaded millenials desu
>>747730570>Until they ask me for moneyAren't the only ones that do that these days idle incremental games? I don't recall any of the 3d games since Genshin having those
do people still like genshin? it was pretty whimsical near the start i guess but it fell off hard and became a massive cashgrab
why do gachaniggers like to pretend they are better than other gacha niggersthey're all the same
>>747673650Mihoyo did have a passion project, but it's not genshin, that's for sure.
>>747730948>match 3 games are the same as shooters or rpgs
>>747730937>it fell off hardit just became bigger and took itself more seriously
>>747730937>it fell off hard and became a massive cashgrabThings that never happened for 500.
>>747729878It's subsciptionslop, and it's money out the drain for games that may or may not be good, or even runnable on a zoomer rig. But if you can run anything you are already rich enough to just buy them at full price. Simply put, traditional vidya is made with boomlennials in mind and zoomers can feel that, so they turn elsewhere.
>>747730948>t. participates in boomer console wars
>>747729602So why didn't they keep the original xenoblade inspired combat?
>>747731417That combat was complete dogshit and nobody liked it
>>747730948Idiotic statement.Some gacha games are better, some are worse. Gacha is not even a genre, it's a monetization model, and it's more often than not less abusive than the monetization models used in ball and gun games such as GTAV or NBA2Kwhatever.
>>747673650If it makes money it's a money-maker, if the devs keep it alive despite the game being dead it's a passion project
If the artists give every single girl unique pantsu even if you cant normally see it in normal gameplay then the artists are passionate about the project.
>>747728621>Hoyopags can't even be trusted to move a joystickOh I am laffin!
>>747731417xenoblade was never good
I hope you keep shitposting wuwa forever. In the past I wanted the things I like to be popular, but over the years i've learned that is actually the worst that can happen to something you like, because then it stops being what it is. Okay popularity, where devs are still motivated to constantly improve and not everything is sloppified to appeal to loud faggots whose interest in anything starts and ends on social media, is the best. You will probably now want to go>but wuwa is slop!!!because you prefer a different gacha game or are more into le real gaymes who as we know are super awesome and high quality these days, and you are right and should definitely keep thinking that way.
>>747731465>>747731939So they couldn't stick to their guns and employed gameplay elements that normie gacha players wouldn't bounce off of? Glad we can all agree on that.
>>747732556That's a good way to look at it anon. Although I sometimes feel like Kuro is doing everything they can to make Wuwa more mainstream, especially when they do things like make you invincible in the main story quest. I don't want Wuwa to get any bigger than it already is.
>>747732556>>747732771Wuwa runs like ass. It uses the CPU so poorly it's almost impressive. I doubt it's gonna get much bigger because people will get put off by how badly it runs on anything short of zen4 and zen5 X3D CPUs.I heard it's not getting better either.
day 20 of praying that Hsin doesn't come out amputated and UOHming is her crutch
>>747732983It's run badly since seven hills but before that it was fine. They're going too hard on graphics memes
>>747673650Girls Frontline is the only gacha game that could even be argued to have "soul" since it began a doujin game, and funds from the gacha was eventually used to make a non-gacha game in the same universe.
>>747730995Yeah, too bad HI3 now is just a hollow husk that keeps going somehow despite having no content at all except two events every two months, the story ended like two times and that there's roughly 1000 players left outside china.
>>747734168Too bad the non-gacha game was utter garbage
>>747734168Mica was a doujin studio with one or two short VNs and a game before they switched to gacha. Hypergryph founder was there with them too. They were weebs and gamers before they become gacha devs.
SOVL
>>747731465The combat is even worse now
>>747673650for me? when they're bootlegs. i remember there being a really neat chibi naruto one ten years back i couldnt get enough as a young zoomer with strange oc's, i'd play it with my cat on my lap and she really liked the visuals.i would kill for a fan ran dbz one with the absurd latino ssj fanart style. sadly gacha goes for an art style i simply find too clean nowadays, so it has little appeal to me (though this sorta goes for alot of the anime scene in general now).sorta in the mood for gambling mechanics, any anons know ones that might appeal? otherwise i'll just roll on poker night at the inventory over and over while running venus vacation on the other monitor for the fix next time i get it.>>747686842anon, look at what he posted and take a wild fuckin guess.>>747723401based mahjongpilledanon
>>747731550This.The lower gacha is on those gacha revenue lists people post, the more sovl they usually have. My favorite one isn’t in the top 50 and is almost never mentioned in these threads.
>>747736251>these poor girls were exploited>it makes me sad that that's no longer the caseAt least he's honest.
>>747674095SPBP
>passion project>looks inside>game purposefully designed to kill itself if the CEO doesn't get to buy more child slaves by the end of the quarter
