FF8 doesn't deserve the hate!
Rape selphie
Maybe Selphie doesn't, but her game? definitely, all of it
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>>747878108You know the people who have lost their whole lives demanding that the entire world apologise and admit FFVIII, XIII or even XV were good? And do so every day? VIIR fans are going to end up the same way. They can't just enjoy it, they spend every waking moment upset that other people don't like it and will never ever be at peace. It's a bizarre problem unique only to the Final Fantasy fanbase. Even Sonic fans eventually stopped doing this.
FF8 deserves SOME hate absolutely, and I say this as a FF8fag, liking it more than any other FFSome key shit nobody likes:>Rinoa>No ability to romance/pick any of the other two girls, Quistis or Selphie, which was a contention on the game design, as they originally intended to do 3 endings/routes but chikened out at all the rendering (That's why you have the ending cinematic with Selphie and Quistis, the models were done and the intention was there)>"Oh I guess we all forgot we were friends" could have been saved as a foreshadow by Irvine crying that he didn't wanted to kill Matron (instead of folding to pressure)>Laguna didn't got back to his fucking wife and the kid he just saved, to be president for 20 years, just because he said to some guy that he'll help him later with his revolt or somethingI love ff8 but there's some fucking hit and miss shit there
>Accidentally break the game's balance entirely by playing that stupid chocobo autobattle RPG
SHIVA SEXO
>>7478779328 is the second best final fantasy gamethe series just isn't that good overall to be honest
>>747878492All good points. The story is a mess. It has really fun set pieces, and the missions are great bits, but it's full of weird shit that doesn't make sense like this.I also dislike the junction system. NOT because it's too hard or whatever. It's that if you understand it, it's trivial to break the game. You have multiple early sources of strong offensive stat magic (Water, Quake, Tornado, Triple) and can purchase Tents for Curaga right from the start. So if you know to rush unlocking the abilities to refine items to magic, you can make your team unkillable and have Squall kill everything in one hit in under an hour. FF8 lacks a middle-ground of difficulty because it all just hinges on the player knowing about item refining.
Why does she wear the eyepatch?
>>747879276chuuniSame reason she does the one-word thing. She stops doing it at the end so it's all clearly an act.
>>747879012Personally I don't mind the junction system.It is absolutely true that it has poor scaling, but it's not true that it "hinges on the player knowing about item refining", it literally gives you an unskippable (gay) tutorial for it, and you have a dedicated page on the menu for them that even if you are the most clueless nigga you'll stumble upon it just by chance, click something random, and you'll understand you can convert things to magic.The only actual real dickmove is the gfs being hardlocked by draws. I recently re-cleared ff8 after 10 years of not playing it, forgot to draw on the first boss and missed Shiva like a retard, so there goes my no ultility refining run. Somehow I missremembered getting her in the Balamb training area, or the fountain in Balamb, don't know why I invented the memory that you get her in Balamb near water
>>747879276CUNTQUIRKY
>>747878383You know how you're so mindbroken about FF8, 13 and 15 that you're trying to gaslight enjoyers of those games as people "who have lost their whole lives demanding that the entire world apologise and admit FFVIII, XIII or even XV were good"?
what did she mean by this?
>>747879623>even if you are the most clueless nigga you'll stumble upon it just by chance, click something random, and you'll understand you can convert things to magicYou only get these after grinding up lots of AP unless you manually set your GFs to unlock the refining abilities. The game will automatically unlock the summon-boosting abilities first, then the stat abilities, then the refining ones. This is also the main reason people find the game hard, as they get about halfway and still can't junction things like HP on everyone.
>>747878383It's bizarre because at the launch of each of those games everyone agreed they were bad. It's not like those games were unfortunate victims of technology, or had narratives that clashed with the contemporary mileu, something that might pass with time. The internet archive must have thousands of pages of forum posts, reviews and banter all in agreement that these are bad games, and the arguments presented in them are true now like they were at launch. But these psychos think they've achieved apotheosis or something and need to share their revelations with everyone else. FF8 fans are the worst because the game all around is irredeemable. I'm convinced they're all trolling. Their headcannon gives it away. Most FF13 fans will eventually admit the game is flawed, at least. I've never seen anyone defend FF15 except for the vibes or the girls.
>>747880573Nobody "agreed" that 8 was bad, I played it on launch and loved it. Most 8 haters were 7 newfags and they were going>huh why is my 7-2 set in a different world with different mechanics what is this shittheir opinion is irrelevantAs for 13, most people agreed that 13-2 was good and I don't see you faggots willing to admit that15 is easy to defend, there's no game like it. There's not a single major game that even attempts to be a road movie with the bros
>>747880573Here's that game we all agreed is bad bro don't question the consensus bro. What do you mean you like it, you're a psycho, you are literally the worst
>>747880858I see you've invented a strawman to dismiss every single negative FF8 opinion online. Well done.
>>747878383I see what you mean. Just look at this melty>>747880858>>747881182He's absolutely furious. It's been 27 years and he still hasn't learned to accept anyone not liking FFVIII as much as him. What is it about FF that makes the fans like this?
>>747879726>>747880858>>747881182please calm down
FF 8 is a game that lets you break the game by not playing the actual game
>>747881193>>747881304>>747881372>refuses to address the fact that the game he claimed was hated on release actually got a 9/10 on releaseNice melty though. Next time pretend to be 4 people, keep going
>>747877932Who hates it?The spoony vids were mostly parody.
>>747881485>you can break the game... by engaging with the game mechanicsThat's not really breaking the game is it, you chose a viable tactic, good for you
>>747877932I wish this dude would use alternative words if the AI can't pronounce shit right.
>>747881658I wonder has an unpopular game ever gotten 9/10 reviews on release
>>747877932yeah it does, it ruined the franchise
>>747877932FF8 mogs FFX. This is the truth they don't want you to know.
>>747881929pretty much every nintendo game does this
>>747879896>Draws Seifer's gunblade handle like it's a straight batSeifer's gunblade handle is a 90* angle, shaped like a pistol.
>>747881929>unpopular game>sold more than 9.6 million copies worldwide, making it one of the best-selling Final Fantasy games in the series
>>747877932It really, really does. Even if only for the lost potential. It could have been kino, but it simply isn't.
>>747881929Many, but let's not point that out just in case it sets off >>747881658 again. He's angry enough as it is.>>747881909Dude relax.
>>747879623>>747879954I went and double-checked this because it was bothering me not being certain. The order is:SumMag%GFHP%BoostRefines1x Stat JunctionStat% boostsremaining junctionsCommands (card, doom, mad rush)None of the GFs have their refinement abilities unlocked initially. So if you leave it on default, you need to get 400 AP to unlock the initial item-to-magic refining abilities. If you know that those are MUCH faster than using Draw, you can get them first with only 30 AP. You get roughly 1-5 AP per battle for a lot of the game unless you specifically seek out enemies with higher yields, like the fish on the beach near Balamb Garden that many people use to farm items for Water spells and AP. That's about at least a hundred battles or so if you use the default unlock paths.The game does a good job teaching most of the junction mechanics either by tutorial or visually implying it (the battle UI has missing spots without a GF, so it implies you should have things that go there, like Draw/Magic/Item). But I really don't think the game at any point straight up tells you or implies anything like>Refining magic from items is much faster than using DrawIMO they should have had the refining abilities unlocked from the start. Or, they could have made Draw a more legitimate option by capping magic stacks at a lower value like 25 instead of 100, and multiplying the stat boost effects by 4. That way, it takes as few as 3 turns of Draw to get a full stack instead of the minimum 12 turns. Yes, that makes the incentive for refining smaller, but the incentive is still there for getting extra powerful spells earlier than you can draw them.
>>747882070I wonder if a bad game has ever sold a lot of copies. It couldn't, right? That wouldn't make sense...
>>747882170>I wonder if a bad game has ever sold a lot of copiesThis happens all the time. It's not a good metric for proving games are popular.
>>747879726NTA, but they were right, you faggot. They're just fucking awful games.>>747880573Yeeeah, I mean - statistically there are going to be a few fans even if its a shit sandwich on rye bread if you feed it to enough people. I'm just not sure how they can get up in the morning and post about their bad opinions on the internet.
>>747877932>FF8 doesn't deserve the hate!It doesn't. Problem is that the only thing FF8 had going for it is that is was a technical miracle at the time. Graphic, the world, presentation, inteactive CGI battle scenes and GF summons were unbelievable on PS1. Music is still one of my favorites in series.Everything else suffered. It is the only FF game that can be completely broken just by playing cards, and only FF game where you could have max stats in everything pretty effortlessly.
>>747881182I've gone through this with you before: Metacritic didn't exist when FF8 released and the majority of sources Metacritic uses didn't exist, either. Almost all those reviews were published years after launch by people that hold up FF as a godlike franchise. The idea that FF8 is just a bad game and maybe we can move on, is like suggesting to Reddit Science Fans that maybe Einstein was wrong about some things. It provokes an almost religious defensive response.
>>747882170>first claimed it was hateddebunked>then claimed it was unpopulardebunked>it's... le bad!I think it's good, you're free to hate it. I'm just glad you moved the goalpost into the "I don't like it" territory, let's keep it there
>>747882070>Not understanding that sales or critic regard don't make your product not shittyAnon, China sells shit, and if you take into account 'The Feelings of the Chinese People' you could say it has high critic regard, with them being 1.4 billion votes for the existence of their own nation, but its still an objective blight on humanity from which no good will ever come. In the same vein, FF8 can have a high critic score and make a lot of sales, but that doesn't mean it isn't objectively the worst Final Fantasy entry.
>>747882352SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADYYour personal retarded opinion is NOT the consensus>dude you like ff8 you are a bad person you are a psycho you literally are the worst I can't evenfuck you
>>747877932It's the E33 director's favorite FF and he made the best FF game.
>>747878383It's bizarre. There's a prime example right here >>747882465There's always at least one of these "special little guys" in every single final fantasy thread.
>>747878520My favorite Shiva. She cemented my tummy fetish that had awoken with Yuffie.
>>747882143>GF "Refine" skills should be unlocked-at-the-start, zero investmentDid you know there are SeeD tests? They'll raise your rank and make you a better SeeD if you can prove you've studied.My point is, "not everyone knows everything from-the-start" and when you go out-of-your-way to learn, you'll be rewarded.Most people who play Final Fantasy (or any game, really) will genuinely play for about 15-20 minutes and then quit, never returning to it every again. Yes, I do mean "most." As in 85% of every person who has ever played any game will just try for a little bit and then stop. Finish an entire game? You're already a rare 15% case of people who have ever done that.
>>747882143>But I really don't think the game at any point straight up tells you or implies anything like>Refining magic from items is much faster than using DrawMy hot take is that this was 100% intentional. There's so much blatant filler content and abysmal pacing to offset the fact that the FF8 is blatantly unfinished. Environments and FMVs were all sorted because Square was pumping money into their render farms like there was no tomorrow, but actual gameplay scenarios and structure were put on the back burner until it was too late. Xenogears and Chrono Cross suffered similar fates, which is why those games resort to literal text dumps to finish their stories. This is why you end up with shit like Shumi village, or wandering around Balamb to find you "just missed" the captain on every screen.They prioritized telling players about the draw mechanic, but said nothing about refining, all in the name of hoping players would simply waste their time drawing 100 of everything to artificially inflate playtime. FF8 was the first time in FF history that they split the core dev team in half so they could work on two games simultaneously, and it's clear they really couldn't hack it. It's kind of sad how much of an incompetent shitshow Square became in the wake of FF7's success.
>>747881182>>747882519Yeesh
>>747882430>nooo those aren't the REAL scoresStop yapping and present those REAL scores that you keep talking about. I don't care about your schizo rants. I can see that all the old reviews on wikipedia except for 1 are positive
>>747882519No, the consensus is the consensus for fucks sake. I'm not the Anon you've been bitching at all thread, I'm a new challenger with an old opinion that at some point you're just going to have to accept. Its trash game design. The characters are forgettable, the story drama is fucking awful, and whomever decided Laguna was a good idea should be stabbed to death with an ice pick. And all of that is before you even get to the whole breaking the game with cards thing that the other guy was talking about, which is probably the biggest original sin in Final Fantasy.The CONSENSUS says this is a shit game. You're trying to overturn it by being a bitchy little sperg, but it doesn't make you right.
>>747882609>>747881304Please stop talking to yourself, it's not healthy
>>747878383I do NOT understand XV. I completely missed it, but I cannot find any interesting screenshots of cool things or places and I have never met people who played it.I liked the movie, but I have no idea what to think of the game to give it a chance. I instaled it once, they made me watch 20 minute cutscene and then they made me push a car for five minutes so I uninstalled it again.
>>747883127XV sold millions of copies so anyone who doesn't like it can just shut up!
>>747883040>The CONSENSUS says this is a shit gameCan I see that consensus? And don't mean you samefagging 5 times
>>747883127>I do not understand a game I haven't playedI don't understand games I didn't play either. That's pretty normal
>>747883227>Can I see that consensus?Where do you think you are, faggot? This isn't reddit. You don't get to parrot shit opinions here and then act surprised and ask for downvotes and verification when people tear you a new asshole like you deserve.
>>747883034Anon... we have thirty years of shit games that got 9s or 10/10s. You can't be serious.
>>747877932I like Quistis and Edea more than Riona
>>747879954>You only get these after grinding up lots of AP unless you manually set your GFs to unlock the refining abilities.Problem is that there is a section right near beginning where you can grind 50AP per battle repeatedly to max out all your available summons, you just have to be careful to not run out of time by accident.
>>747883186Damn near everything sells 'millions of copies' you troglodyte. People don't know its bad until after they play it, especially back then when Square had not yet totally ruined their reputation with a solid decade of flops. You have to buy the product, take it home and play the game to build an opinion, and even in (Current Year) you wouldn't be able to return it reliably with that many hours in. Its a devil's trap, the only winning move is not to play.Still, I guess we should at least take solace in the fact that games like FF8 and FF15 stand as filters for the worst people and opinions on /v/. You can instantly tell that anyone who is a fan probably isn't worth listening to and is likely beyond help.
>>747880573>everyone agreed they were badDon’t pretend your zoomer ass was born by the time of 8
>>747883342>The CONSENSUS says this is a shit game>can I see it>NO WHY WOULD YOU EVEN ASKumm why did you bring it up then>>747883369>the reviews praising FF8 aren't the real reviews>can I see the real reviews then>NO REVIEWS AREN'T IMPORTANTumm why did you bring them up thenwhat a peculiar thread
>>747881182Uh-oh you just buckbroke a consensus bro.
You'd think that if FFVIII really did have such a widely agreed upon positive reception this guy wouldn't be seething so hard
>>747882919I played both FF8 and CC at launch and CC was by far the better game. They were both disappointments compared to CT, FF7 and FF6, but CC at least had a lot of novel things going for it, an engaging world, mechanics that actually work, the better story and so on. They're very similar on the technicals which goes to show how direction can have such a huge impact on a game.
>>747883679lol good point
>>747877932I'm a hardcore fan with FF8, so many times I would even try to escape reality with lucid dreaming, I would be in Balamb Garden where I would often train with Zell in the training center and help Selphie with the Garden Festival, but one day as I was talking to Selphie, we went to my dormitory for a private talk. She immediately said, "You know you could live with us forever.." I gave her a confused look and she continued, "We understand that you live on earth and you REALLY wish to live here". I then said "How..How did you know?" She then giggled and said "Because we've been watching you, silly!"This was a dream come true and I almost cried right there. She then said, "I talked with Headmaster Cid and he agreed that you would be PERFECT for SeeD, you just have to do...one thing". She then held my hand and looked deep into my eyes and said "...You have to kill yourself for the transfer to work correctly." I then gave her some questions, "How long do I have before the deal expires?" She then said "Cid said 3 months.." I added by saying "What's the most painless way?..." She giggled again, "Suicide will require pain buuut...if you want it quick...Get a gun and a nice shot to the head works.I then agreed and she gave me a kiss on the forehead, "I know this will be tough but once it's over and done, you'll get to live here!" I then woke up and this was last week and i purchased a gun. I might actually kill myself because that dream just felt too real to be fake and my life isn't doing so grand.
>>747883615Anon, you asked for verification, which means burden of proof is on you. It is now up to you to cover your sperg ass with data by proving that the consensus does not in fact say that FF8 is a hot trash fire on a shit sandwich, which is what literally everybody else ITT is trying to tell you to get you to fuck off.You don't get to sit there and make demands on other peoples' time just because you have a shit opinion, it would result in all the decent people on our Sudanese Underwater Armpit Shaving Forum having to refute your retarded claims over and over forever.Show proof that it isn't awful or GTFO.
>>747883615You've had 27 years to learn to accept others not liking ff8 as much as you and failed.
>>747883679FF trannies are impossible to reason with once they feel attacked
>>747883550So far we're seeing one anti-FF8 schizo completely break down and start samefagging while ignoring literally every argument thrown at him
>>747878492>Laguna didn't got back to his fucking wife and the kid he just saved, to be president for 20 years, just because he said to some guy that he'll help him later with his revolt or somethingWas he president for 20 years? I thought he was recently elected. No way Esthar would vote for some outsider so soon even though he was instrumental in taking Adel out. Also, wasn't the war still raging when Squall was a kid, hence all the orphans?I was gonna say what's insane is Edea making an orphanage in god knows where but she was probably hiding out from Adel and the sorc hunters too. Still, there's a fucking pacific sized ocean between Centra and the closest settlement, must be hell to restock the place.
>>747883679SHOW ME PROOFPROVE IT PROVE IT PROOOOVE THAT ANYONE DIDN'T LIKE FF8 IN 1999!!!!!!!!
>>747883842There are half a dozen people trying to get you to stop bitching about being wrong in this thread, you mongoloid. We're not all the same person just because you say so.
>>747882519Anon, that was my first post and I said I liked it. It was successful at the time and well received. It is nevertheless a weaker entry than some others in first ten games.I consider FF12 to be by far the weakest and one of the worst games I ever played.
>>747883679kek
>>747883679Obviously he's just angry that 99.9% of the public agree with him and he's found himself in the one place where anyone disagrees
>>747879513Efficiency. Why more when less good?
>>747883738>It is now up to you to cover your sperg ass with data by proving that the consensus does not in fact say that FF8 is a hot trash firehttps://www.metacritic.com/game/final-fantasy-viii/>>747883783I'm okay with you not liking FF8, I don't like you either, you seem like a cunt
>>747883842>you have to be a schizo to say anything bad about FFVIIIc'mon man, lmao
>>747883679>>747884039He is really not having a good day. But I appreciate him proving >>747878383's point.
>>747884028if everyone loves ff8 so much and always has, what are you so mad about? one guy on /v/ who doesn't?
>>747884028>Unironically posting metacritic as a defenseYou're an absolute faggot, dude. /v/ has always known that critic-acclaimed amounts to nothing and you aren't helping your case. But to bring it here and post it like it proves your point is probably the most reddit thing you could possibly do. Only the consensus on /v/ matters on /v/, we don't rate by critics or upvotes here.
>>747878545This.Also,MAYBE I'M A LION.
>>747884138Autistic people have a very strange relationship with "objectivity" and think conversations are won and lost with sales figures and metacritic links
I just find it strange that a videogame that sold well and got 9/10 scores on metacritic could have a negative reception here. Has this ever happened before?
>>747881909It's at odds with itself, the best way to play it is to play the card game to win rare cards, turn cards into magic that you won't get for 30 hours otherwise and then avoid all random fights because the game scales to your level, while you walk around with endgame magic boosted stats
>>747884138>why are you madI'm not the one samefagging and dodging every single question
>>747884318again: if everyone loves ff8 so much and always has, what are you so mad about? one guy on /v/ who doesn't?because that's how it looks
>>747883308Okay, but you can post stuff from other FFs that can hook you up, show you theme or style or interesting environment, or cool summon and I have never seen anyone do it for FF15.
>>747884302Fairly often. The funny thing is that the board is usually closer to the truth than the critics are too, its almost like they get paid to shill wrong opinions on purpose in the hopes that the shit they shovel will cause something beautiful to grow. Of course it doesn't, but the companies they shill for are generally more concerned with sales and stock prices than customer satisfaction. They even rated Nintendogs quite well.
>>747884318What question do you want answered?And please don't make it about consensus, metacritic or sales figures. Talk like a human being if you want discussion.
>>747883842I'm willing to leave the thread since I said my piece. Just know that you're wrong about all the samefagging.
>>747884174>dodges actual numbers showing actual consensusYou should go into politics
I like the romance in 8 and 10
>>747877932I'm starting to hate it from these dogshit slop threads.
>>747882919>They prioritized telling players about the draw mechanic, but said nothing about refining, all in the name of hoping players would simply waste their time drawing 100 of everything to artificially inflate playtime.Brah. It was fucking 1999. Devs didn't care enough about playtime like that. Even without the grind, the game lasts for 15 to 20 hours. That's plenty enough time to tell a story. They just added the refining mechanic for fun. This was the age of jrpg devs still trying out different system mechanics.
>>747884506You just made this post >>747883679 funnier, thanks!
>>747880858>Nobody "agreed" that 8 was bad, I played it on launch and loved it. Most 8 haters were 7 newfags and they were going>>huh why is my 7-2 set in a different world with different mechanics what is this shitthis is so fucking true
>>747877932It's unironically the best Final Fantasy.
Show me objective proof that anyone ever disliked ff8.
>>747877932I was a massive FFfag in my youth, even Mystic Quest and the GB games that aren't actually FF, but FF8 killed my interest in the entire franchise. I never finished it and I haven't touched an FF game since.That said, I have lost gallons to Selphie
>>747882045It's AI slop. What did you expect? I think Higgsfield only recently released their asset consistent workflow.
>>747877932uncanny valley
>>747884437>please don't make it about consensus, metacritic or sales figuresGreat, so you don't want to talk about the things that we talked about for the past hour. Well you should've said so from the start, wasted a lot of time there
>>747883040Consensus here - I say that you are a queer and FF8 was awesome.
>>747884656even if you could, their opinion is irrelevantNobody "agreed" that 8 was bad, I played it on launch and loved it. Most 8 haters were 7 newfags and they were going>huh why is my 7-2 set in a different world with different mechanics what is this shit
>>747884506Sales are not a consensus of opinion, it merely means that people purchased a thing. People purchase car tabs every year even though we don't like them because we have to, its not an indicator that car tabs are a popular product.Critics shill for things even when they're not good because that is literally their job. They give out 9/10s to trash fire games all the time because they come from reputable studios trying to salvage the terrible reputation of games like this. They do it because its their literal job, they are employed to parrot the opinions that they're told to parrot. Its not an indicator of an actual opinion, its employment.The only consensus that matters is the one that comes from the customer end post-buy. How people actually felt about the product. And the entire reason you felt compelled to make this thread is because you know in your heart that people hated your favorite can of virtual shit and you're hoping you can get people to like the smell if you make it seem like you're not a total cunt and your opinions aren't fucking awful - but make no mistake, you are, and they are.
>>747884609>>747884082>>747882609>>747882101>he keeps talking to himself
>>747884708SighOkay anon fine, ask me the question you want answered
>>747880858>Nobody "agreed" that 8 was badlol
>FFV is a bad game because I have to grind max JP on every job as soon as I get to the wind crystal.Sounds silly right? Why do people argue this nonsense for FFVIII but not other games?
>>747883720Absolutely fucking based. I envy you.
>>747884519>Squall as a womanWould.Also the romance sucks.Squall should've proposed and married Ultimecia. World saved. Easy.
This is the guy you've all been arguing with for an hour btw >>747880858Just a retard
>>747877932Disk 1 is some of the best FF in the series. Everything after that is shit, but because it was rushed.If they ever did a remake while giving everything afterwards the proper time it needed it would probably be up there with FF6 and Shadowbringers.Xenogears needs the same treatment as well.
>>747880858>Nobody "agreed" that 8 was bad, I played it on launch and loved it.Okay so if nobody agreed 8 was bad what are you melting down over
>>747883679I laughed
>>747884878Squall took one look at this big titty chuuni hikkineet witch and decided Rinoa is better. What an idiot.
>>747884748What compels you to actually write all this shit? I talk about FF8 because I like FF8. Solved the mystery for you there
>>747884609kek
>>747884789I want you to accept that FF8 was well received on launch based on reviews and sales or deboonk it with undeniable proofyou're going to dodge this one again aren't you
>>747884992>I talk about FF8No, you seethe about people not liking FF8. What FF8 posts have you done ITT that aren't just schizo seethe at the haters
>>747883882>>747885114lmao
>>747884748>The only consensus that matters is the one that comes from the customer end post-buy.This and the consensus was that it was great, worse than 7 but better than 9 lmao faggot get dabbed on
Remember Spoony? FF8 has its issues sure, but the haters are the truly deranged ones. Not the fans.
>>747883686>CC was by far the better gameI'll agree with that. I was only bringing CC up because it was a part of the development shitshow going on at square at the time, and was involved in the "staff shuffling" that took place just to get stuff out the door, which backs up my argument of other games like FF8 being similarly unfinished.>mechanics that actually workAre there any of FF8's mechanics that DON'T work? They may be a bit cryptic or complex at times, but I think they still work as intended.>an engaging worldI think one of FF8's problems is that it, if you're the type of player who really takes time to get immersed, it has a VERY engaging world, then proceeds to do fuck-all with it. The start of the game does such a great job at passive character/world building, but none of it is important.Honestly, I think CC was a bigger disappointment to me specifically because it was obviously the better game. I was really enjoying it until I got to the latter half and began to feel the "crunch" as they say. The combat system in particular is one of those things that feels fun and fresh at first, but really loses its shine once you get used to going through the motions. FF8 at least had the decency to dash your expectations fairly early.
>>747885149No I said 3 times already that I don't care that YOU don't like it. I don't like you either. But you keep responding to me waiting for something. What do you want guy?
>>747885114>undeniable proofI can't. You win. Nobody in 1999 disliked FF8. And if they did their opinion doesn't count. Now we are in complete agreement.
>>747882758I disagree, and I think you're just making a dumb argument here to justify bad game design because you like the game. I think making it so that your average noob player has to invest several hours of playtime just to unlock one of the most basic fundamental systems in the game (refining) compared to a player that knows to do that immediately who can do so in under half an hour, is bad design. FF8 is overall a good game, I just take issue with the way it introduces the systems.Also, the SeeD tests are irrelevant. They aren't tutorials, even though you can learn a few things from them. Most of the questions are stuff like "Does this GF learn this ability?" as knowledge checks for how far you are in the game. You also have zero incentive to do them to raise SeeD rank beyond gil, which is pretty useless outside of the very early and very late game.
>>747885247What FF8 posts have you done ITT that aren't just schizo seethe at the haters?Show us at least one. You've been here for over an hour.
>>747885194No I do not. The only 'famous' person whose videos I've ever watched are AVGN and Egoraptor's animations not his gay blogs or whatever he did in the 2010s. I wish we could have FF8 threads without people spamming about their ancient eboyfriend.
>>747877932>FF8 doesn't deserve the hateWhat hate? FF was decent up to (and including) 10.Anything after that has been for the trash bin.
>>747884878>>747884982In my headcannon, Ultimecia is a distant relative of his and Rinoa. Future witches persecuted by future SeeDs to prevent a disaster from the past only to set it in stone. FF8 is ultimately a tragedy for me. Maybe that's why I like it so much.
>>747885114Nobody "agreed" that 8 was bad, I played it on launch and loved it. Most 8 haters were 7 newfags and they were going>huh why is my 7-2 set in a different world with different mechanics what is this shittheir opinion is irrelevant
>>747885176Anti-FF8 schizos absolutely malding at the mention of proofs while pro-FF8 chads effortlessly pile on evidence of FF8 being popular
>>747885453Hey, you just made >>747883679 funnier again!
>>747885114>FF8>Well received on launchPick one (1). I was there. It wasn't.>Implying anyone should ever post reviews on /v/>UnironicallyPick one (1). This isn't your fucking echo chamber or hugbox, dude. We're not here to validate you. You need to go back.
>>747885321>you're a schizo for posting the reviews that contradict my narrativeLock me up
>>747885418>If he gets with his great(x8) grandaughter she'd never be born in the first placeDamn, that is tragic...
>>747883547You're talking about the robot, right? The one the characters repeatedly say you should just run from, including the buttons to use as a tutorial for fleeing. The robot that is also basically unkillable within the time limit unless you have already junctioned a full stack of strong magic. And you can only farm the AP there if you know to knock it down and flee repeatedly. The player grinding out AP there is already gonna know about refining anyway.
>>747884310>best wayYou won't even know that the enemy scales with you unless someone else tells you. In any case, why play like that when you can enjoy the game normally? Sounds autistic to me.
>>747883842Any time you accuse a thread of being just one guy, you look like a huge schizo.
>>747885535I was also there and it was well received. Thankfully the reviews were preserved, wikipedia has links to 9/10 IGN, Gamespot and Edge reviews from 1999.>nooo I'm not here to argue using actual reviews from 1999, I'm just here to vaguely seethe and you can't stop methat's weird but ok, you can continue
>>747884581>Devs didn't care enough about playtime like that.lmao, they absolutely did. Toward the end of the 90s, touting that your game had ____ hours of content was a vital marketing strategy and often something that was reported on before release, especially in JRPGs, because it got people HYPED. The fact that FF8 was 4 discs after FF7 was 3 was vital, because it shaped consumer perception that FF8 was bigger, and therefor better.>Even without the grind, the game lasts for 15 to 20 hours.Nobody was beating FF8 in 15-20 hours in 1999. Certainly not the average target audience.
>>747885559You literally can't point to a single post you've made ITT about FF8 that isn't schizo seethe over FF8 haters?>I talk about FF8I guess this isn't true then.
>>747885817you are one guy though, and its obvious
>>747885882To add to this, in the 90s JRPGs would be priced higher than other games simply because of their much longer length, in some regions anyway.
>>747885821>>747883679lol
>>747885260>Nobody in 1999 disliked FF8. And if they did their opinion doesn't count.I was alive in 1999 and can confirm this is exactly what it was like.
>>747880573I didn't agree. I liked it. Not as much as VII, but I still really enjoyed it.
>>747885963Heck, I still remember when price increases based on catridge size were a huge deal because people genuinely thought that meant there was "more" game to play.
>>747885909Enough with your prosecution complex buddy, nobody cares. I just saw you lying about the reception of the game and I deboonked it with facts and logic that you failed to counter-deboonk. Either counter-deboonk or just continue being mad I guess
>>747885276>I paid for the game; I should have everything already.>I shouldn't have to invest MORE into this game I bought!>I didn't buy this game to play it!!!SeeD tests don't grant much money, true. But, they do make you test your knowledge of what you're playing and will raise your rank.Try things out which the game provides. You might like some, you might like others. It offers them as rewards, not critical value because you deserve it.Want GF abilities? Earn them.Smart gamer? You'll choose better answers.
>>747885882>Nobody was beating FF8 in 15-20 hours in 1999My friend did because he didn't have enough time to play lmao his mom would whoop his ass if he plays video games for more than an hour per day. He bumrushed the final fantasies because by the time he's done, we've all move on to another game and he kept being left out. That was a fun era lol
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>>747886138Persecuted for what? You said you talk about FF8 so I asked for one example and it turns out you don't. What you actually do is schizo seethepost about people not liking FF8 as much as you for hours.
>>747886249>No witch that threatens to warp space and time to woo and marryWhatever...
>>747877932Ever since I read those old as time rinoa a la mode doujins I had this...uh..."itch" for Selphie...
>>747885882>often something that was reported on before releaseI still remember EGM joking in their fall preview issue that FF9 would take "eleven years" to complete, based on reports from Japan.Obviously that was an exaggeration, but not an unfounded one. FF9 was a game with a LOT of detail if you were willing to hunt for it. Back then, people playing JRPGs had likely grown up on the NES era and would really lock-in to try and find everything themselves. Sure, if you just follow the plot and look up side secrets with a guide, the game is average length, but if you were the kind of person who was willing to scour for secrets yourself and backtrack to talk to NPCs to see if new quests had opened up, FF9 was dauntingly huge. It was effectively the turning point of "can we realistically expect the player to find all this shit on their own?" which is why modern JRPGs just have objective markers. But back then, finding shit yourself was kind of the whole point.Heck, there was shit in FF9 that went undiscovered for over a decade all because of how obtuse some of it was.
>>747886386>here's what you are and here's what you doNo I told you exactly what I am and what I do. Let's go over it again>I just saw you lying about the reception of the game and I deboonked it with facts and logic that you failed to counter-deboonkSo do you counter-deboonk? Or do you remain deboonked and I accept your confections? Please don't start crying about how prosecuted you are again
>>747886139>Want GF abilities? Earn them.This just completely breaks down though when the operative way to "earn" them is simply clicking a single button to set your GF to unlock the refining abilities first. This potentially saves several hours of grinding. It might as well be a cheat code with how fundamentally it changes the game and how trivial the action to change it is. It is purely a check for player knowledge, easily solved these days by someone watching a youtube video. In fact, that'a why there are so many videos like>How to BREAK FF8 in under X minutes!!!It isn't about earning anything or challenging the player. It's just whether or not a player knows to do a few specific things not made obvious in the game. There is no skill involved.
Dude what if Squall actually died at the end of disc 1??
>>747886578Anon you are just schizoposting harder. You said you talk about FF8 so I asked to see where, and it turns out you don't. You only schizopost about others who don't like FF8.I think it's fair to say you have a persecution complex - which is odd considering how beloved FF8 is.
>>747886623>This just completely breaks down though when the operative way to "earn" them is simply clicking a single button to set your GF to unlock the refining abilities first.Somewhat unreleated, but I also love when people say "FF8 is the anti-grind game", but everything still ultimately comes down to grinding, no matter how you play. Just because you're grinding for cards or enemy drops to refine instead of direct EXP doesn't mean you aren't grinding. In the end, it's all repetitive bullshit to make your stats go up. Even getting your GF abilities requires you to just fight regular battles until you have the AP for it. FF8 is a fairly bog-standard JRPG with everything skewed just enough to make it seem amazing to autistic, min-maxxxing retards, but tedious to anyone sapient.
>>747886623>It's just whether or not a player knows to do a few specific things not made obvious in the game. There is no skill involved.Don't see the big deal with that. Its not a competitive multiplayer game. Players can chill, enjoy the schizo story, and break the combat as much or as little as they like.
>>747886796The only thing that died at the end of disc 1 was my enthusiasm for the game.
>>747886820Yeah I'm just not interested in your "talking about the reception of FF8 is NOT talking about FF8" argument. You have nothing to counter-debunk and your confections have been deposited in my account.
>>747887017While it peaked at the end of disc 1, disc 2 was still better than FF10 onwards
>>747886796Would it matter if he did? Since Ultimecia did cast time compression eventually he'd exist all at once even after dying.
>>747886932>in the end, it's all repetitive bullshit to make your stats go upname ONE mainline FF that isn't
>>747887057>why yes, I do spend hours schizo seethposting about others not liking FF8What a sad life. You've had 27 years to learn to be less autistic.
>>747887232>I suck cockswhat a strange thing to say
>>747886567 >Heck, there was shit in FF9 that went undiscovered for over a decade all because of how obtuse some of it was.That's because Brady Games scammed everyone with a player guide that was 60% "if you want to know more go to this website" in fucking 1998
>>747886623>It's just whether or not a player knows to do a few specific things not made obvious in the game. There is no skill involved.This. There should have at least been some random NPC that would say something to entice you to try out the refining function. Ideally, the player would expiriment and figure it out themselves, but JRPGs are slow games and there are a lot of GFs and skills to learn, so it basically would come down to just the random chance of you choosing refining over the more fun-sounding stuff.And then you'd have to actually do the work and scour your entire inventory to refine stuff, not knowing whether it's a good idea to use up all those items or not. Honestly, one of the biggest tragedies of FF8 is that all the footwork happens in some of the blandest, grayest menus of all time. Seriously, not even a second color option after FF7 gave us 4 different RGB values to play with?>>747887226That was kind of the point of my post, retard: FF8 isn't special. Although most FFs beyond the NES era are easy enough to beat without grinding.
Every FF8 hater failed to understand that R=U.Then they read that R=U on the Internet and got upset because it made them feel stupid. And they've been upset to this day
I replayed FF8 recently so I've been watching these threads more, and every single FF8 thread seems to be people arguing about it way more than people generally agree on other FFs. Everything about the game seems very controversial. Story, mechanics, everything. The CGs, music, and presentation seem to be the only things people all generally agree on and say is good.
>>747887480>Although most FFs beyond the NES era are easy enough to beat without grindingWith secret bosses? Hell no
>>747887735The discussion of the game made my question my own memories of it. So I replayed it recently and it was as awesome as I remember. The only downside for me is that the party members aren't explored enough, game focuses too much on the love story
>>747887714Nobody "agreed" that 8 was bad, I played it on launch and loved it. Most 8 haters were 7 newfags and they were going>huh why is my 7-2 set in a different world with different mechanics what is this shittheir opinion is irrelevant
>>747887480Instead of this I think people who are too stupid to figure out Fire Stone dropped by the fire element Bomb enemy might be good for refining Fire magic should be put into death camps.
>>747887480>basically would come down to just the random chance of you choosing refining over the more fun-sounding stuffThe fuck kind of weirdo sees "refine" option in the menu and never clicks on it? There's not that many options, you'll check everything at some point. Besides, wouldn't that be in the manual? Remember games used to have manuals and stuff was explained in there
>>747887907Why are you copypasting my post? Were you so buttblasted by me that you decided to samefag as me? At least wait until I leave
>>747886932Might as well claim any fighting game is a "grinding game," too, since all it comes down to is pushing the same buttons faster.Also, by your own definition of circumstances, FF8 becomes the OPPOSITE of a "grinding game" when you know the tricks it subtly hides. Like "select THIS Refine ability SOONER" or "THESE monsters offer better magic and more AP." You're not grinding at all; your mechanics are wonderfully oiled and smooth. The "grinding" was learning.It's difficult to decipher what someone is complaining about when they>have all the answersor>don't have all the rewardsIt seems like it's simply a complaint of "I don't want to have to try. It's a video game!"
>>747878520My dick might freeze solid in her icy pussy but I’m willing to take the risk.
>>747888141it was such a trvke that it mind broke him
>>747885664Yeah, that's the one. It's fairly easy to realise it on your own because at the time you most likely figured out by a chance that you can trigger Renzokuken even with full health which is insane.
>>747888001That kind is obvious, but there's plenty of stuff that isn't. Like how would I know Dino Bones turn into Quake via the Time-magic refining without looking it up or just opening up the refining list and checking everything in the list to see if I get anything good?I had a refining table guide open when I played last time, and I still did a lot of the latter where I would check every new item to see if there was something good.
>>747879726Damn, you've been going for over 2 hours.Mindbroken beyond belief.
>>747888216https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1789665600568278.webm
Objective factual evidence-based truth (confirmed):7>8>9>10>12>6>13>4>15>2>1>3>516 won't be listed due to not qualifying as an FF game
>>747887735>Everything about the game seems very controversial.FF8 was easily one of the most ambitious games of its genre at the time. If you're the kind of player who really gets immersed, you'll notice tons of great details just in the first few hours that seem to be laying the foundation for an absolute banger of an adventure. Then, unfortunately, the rest of the game happens as it happens. Some people held on tightly to that initial feeling and found enough to enjoy that they uphold their preconception as true. Others, not so much.One thing FF8 does extremely well is capturing that "school campus" vibe that is vital to Japanese/weeb culture. There are so many bits of dialogue, character moments, and vignettes that happen in Balamb early on that make it feel like a REAL place populated by REAL people. Even though none of your fellow students have names, you can easily recognize them and keep tabs on them throughout the game. A lot of this quirky and lavish detail is upheld in other locations throughout the game, but ultimately none of it matters, and gamers who don't notice it won't even consider it a positive asset.
>>747888415>damn you're discussing a game you like in a thread about the game you likeYeah crazy right
>>747888216>>747888462This is the exact scene that plays in my head when I would hear "Shuffle or Boogie."
>>747888216>Might as well claim any fighting game is a "grinding game," too, since all it comes down to is pushing the same buttons faster.wow, that makes no sense at all. You're fucking retarded. Wow.>>747888539Putting 5 last just to troll meNice try, bingo.
>>747888216NTA. To me it sounds like you're ignoring the nuance between>give refining to players immediatelyand>refining lets you get overpowered stats if you refine a few specific itemsIt isn't like giving the refining ability to players would completely trivialize the game. It WOULD, however, mean more players get exposed to it early on, like how Card is unlocked at the beginning on Quezacotl. You still have to learn stuff like>go fight the fish on the beach to get Fish Fins and refine them for Waterjust like you have to learn>go Card T-Rexaurs to refine Dino Bones into Quakes once you get DiablosThe way it is in-game, most players probably don't attempt to refine an item until they're like halfway through the game, unless they specifically know already that doing so is extra helpful.
>>747888560The way you feel about Balamb is how I feel about the entire game. Amazing atmosphere. The parade scene is fucking kino as FUCK
>>747883720 I remember this copypasta story 0_0
>>7478886635 has the shittiest ost and the shittiest characters. A gag villain is literally the only good thing about the game
>>747879276That one post by an anon that said fujin probably yells "CUMMING!" really loudly when having sex lives rent free in my head.I used AI to have sex with fujin and turned her into a broken cumslut that lasted for like a week and literally destroyed my dick from jerking off.
>>747884878I wish we had more female villains, I know there’s Cloud of Darkness but she’s underrated and comes in at the last few minutes of FF3.
>>747888724>The parade scene is fucking kino as FUCKBest scene in all of FF, rivalled only by the wedding in FF10. Ok maybe also by the ending of FF10
>>747888539I always chuckle at how 11 and 14 get numbers but no one EVER includes them in lists of mainline FF games.
>>747888539>FF12 not being lastYour summoning flute, sir.
Well I think everyone here will think twice before daring to post negatively about FF8 in future, thanks to me.3 hours well spent.
>>747889028Very cool world design in 12, the art direction is unique. Architecture, armor, airships, all that shit. And I personally like the combat system as weird as it is
>>747888724I think the issue is that, eventually, there needs to be more than just details. Yeah, the game has an amazing atmosphere, arguably one of the best of its era, but when most of the details are meaningless and the main narrative peters out as hard as FF8's does, it's hard to stay gassed on vibes alone.>The parade scene is fucking kino as FUCKHonestly my least favorite part was when the General was running down the assassination plan, and it was basically you just reading pointless dialogue while he runs around and explains to you what you'll be doing. It ties into that whole thing I've said about the game being desperate to pad itself out.Although, in retrospect, it's fucking hilarious to watch a military general, complete in uniform, running around the city and pantomiming to the assassins he hired exactly how he wants them to kill the president's ally tomorrow.
>>747880573>Revisionist bullshitlol
>>747889074This but unironically.
>>747889074Are you pretending to be me again? Like I said, I'm still here. The fact that you're still crying about it did make it worth it though
>>747888804and I said, "NICE TRY"
Too many words in this thread, not enough images.
>>747889112>main narrative peters out as hard as FF8's doesLet me guess, you're a brainlet who didn't get that R=U? Because when you do understand that R=U, the story goes hard. One of those games where you're trying to piece the story together hours after the credits because there are so many hints to R=U once you start looking for them
>>747888923>Best scene in all of FF, rivalled only by the wedding in FF10.also KINO scene, good taste
>>747889353>FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-UUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>Just started a fresh playthru>Junction tutorial at the start of the game>Shows very clearly 19 Thunder junctioned to Str gives more stats than 17 Fire>Ifrit gives 20 AP when defeated, unlocking refinementStill cant wrap my head around how people get so filtered by 8
FF8 has one of the strongest OSTs in the entire series. There are very few tracks that I would consider bad or forgettable.
>>747888025As others have stated above, refine isn't unlocked until you're several hours in unless you go out of your way to unlock it on a GF.
>>747889369I'm not gonna bother arguing whether that is or isn't headcanon. But a twist doesn't automatically make a story good. Just as anyone who's had to sit through one of M. Night Shyamalan's post Sixth Sense turds.
>>747889074lmao
>Seifer was R's boyfriend>later becomes U's knightIt's like pottery, how can you NOT accept that R=U, the whole thing falls apart then
>>747889171>Are you pretending to be meWhy would you read that post and assume it's youThat's really sad
Rinoa is trash
>>747889687No what makes it good is how thematically strong the game becomes when R=U. In that case the game is literally about Squall fucking the evil out of R with the power of love, that's just beautiful
>>747889762Because I was btfoing anti-FF8 losers for 3 hours straight, obviously
Nooooooo! Not Korean pop star Squall!
What is it about FF8 that completely mindbreaks its fans to the point of mental illness?
>>747889916The people who don't realize FF8 is a masterpiece just haven't thought it through. They will come around eventually.
FF8 is an excellent FF title.Zelda 2 is probably the best Zelda game.If you disagree you're a trash homo normie.
>>747889916But why does Rinoa need the "evil" fucked out of her when she's the least evil character in the game? Here whole angle is that she had a nice upbringing because Julia hooked up with a successful military man and gave birth to a wonderful, perfect, righteous daughter who would eventually fuck the indifference out of Laguna's unlucky son. Attempting to flip that dynamic and say "no, but it's about Rinoa" clearly goes against so many of the things they were setting up.The problem is that the R=U theories are based on selective evidence, but once you keep looking, there's so much more to contradict it. The problem is that people stop looking once they have the answer they want because that's how humans are.>>747890110If you read the thread, you'd know. we're not here to spoonfeed you, retard.
>>747890110That's any FF, nigger. At least 8 fags just talk theory like the crackheads shouting about aliens and lizardmen. 7 tards have the nastiest reputation.
>>747890110>anti-FF8 schizo tries againYou were raped and gaped, begone
>>747890215Rinoa is literally a terrorist.
>>747888719>It WOULD, however, mean more players get exposed to it early onYou could bring an infant to a university, too. "Expose your brand-new audience to absolutely everything at the earliest possible time! That's the right answer!" Except, it isn't. That's oversaturation, and the child-teen target audience doesn't want all the nuance up-front.>Then, don't change my demands of "give me everything now," just make it MORE OBVIOUS. Be a good developerYou're asking for the developer to give you a guide? To design bright-yellow "follow this path/go down this hallway/open this door" appearance during every scene? It's a never-ending loop of "I deserve everything right now. If I don't get it, then it's their fault and my criticisms are valid. Here's how I would solve it!"You need to play these games to learn about them.The more you learn, better options for how YOU want to play become available.Want "top stats" by junctioing "best magic" A.S.A.P.? You'll learn certain GFs have generic Refines for specific items and cards.Want to "breeze through the game" without fighting? You'll discover you can get a GF with the "Encounter-NONE" Ability from a Magic Lamp very, very early in the game.Want to "make the game hard" because you're terrified of enemy scaling? Don't junction at all!Want to spam Renzokuken from start-to-end? There are great ways to do that!Want lots of different magic? There are tons of places to draw them or refine them!Ultimately, all you're doing is whining>why should I have to LEARN what abilities do?>why should I have to EARN those abilities?>why do I have to FIND what those abilities will reward me?>how come it's not MAXIMUM on FIRST TRY?>I want EVERYTHING, NOW!I mean, okay, fine, that's your opinion. But it's very shallow and not very meritable as a complaint for the the JRPG "Final Fantasy VIII."
>>747888462god I love FF8 OST so much
>>747889916I have the opposite view of R=U. I feel like it means the story ends on a bitter note because it means Rinoa lives far into the future, bitter and alone, only to die at Squall's hands. And when she and Squall go to the past and meet Matron/Edea after the battle, it means they create a paradox and causal time loop so it's going to happen over and over. So Rinoa and Squall's romance is doomed.
>>747890215>But why does Rinoa need the "evil" fucked out of her when she's the least evil character in the gameBecause witches turn evil if nobody fucks them. They literally spell it out for you in the game. R that doesn't get dicked becomes evil just like every other witch that doesn't get dicked.And with that, their love story isn't just some random waste of time, it's literally the story that saves the world. If Squall gives her a good dicking, the world is saved, if he doesn't, it's doomed.
>>747890362>>Then, don't change my demands of "give me everything now," just make it MORE OBVIOUS. Be a good developerWho are you quoting?
>”Bid farewell to your childhood”
>>747878520AI gets a lot of hate, but what FusionVerseProduction has achieved here is the closest I’ll get to a remake of my favorite final fantasy.
Um, I paid for the game, why should I have to "unlock" new characters???Bad design.Also, unlocked characters are way stronger, invalidating the entire game.Bad design.
>>747890054fixed
I like the extra scene created with Seifer, Fujin and Raijin, Without that it never really made much sense how he randomly shows up in Timber and for what reason.
>>747892378I shan't be accepting these slopmakes, instead I'll wait for 5 more years and prompt a FF8:Reslop of my own, and you will be able to have sex with Selphie in my version
>>747892782>Draw and junctions your cum to her womb
>>747892734>First thing I notice: Raijin's staff looks silly>Second thing I notice: Fish sculpture in Balamb Garden background looks awesomehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV1XWJN3nJo
>FF9 is more popu-Oh yeah where's your sloppa tv series then? Didn't think so
@grok unzip the dress, slowly
>>747892428I still miss the pre DLC era of gaming, if a character missed their chance, they missed it. Their ass is waiting until the next game to get in. Smash’s DLC always felt like it was playing catch up and course correction.
>>747892428It's actually incredibly how triggered you are at someone suggesting refine be unlocked immediately on a single GF.Tell me, how ruined is FF8 to you since Card is unlocked at the beginning? And how vastly improved would the experience be if it was locked behind 30 AP?
>>747893664?
>>747893907My mistake. I guess I always unlock Card first and forget that. Same thing applies to Item, Draw, or Magic though. I guess FF8 is a hand-holdy shit game because you don't have to spend AP to unlock those.
>>747890332You don't need to pretend to be me, it's already been established what a loser I am
>>747894258>I was wrong but I will still find a way to uncontrollably seethe at FF8Why are you so obsessed with a game you don't like. If I don't like a game I just move on. Especially 25 years later
>>747894258Man the game would suck if you had to unlock Magic and Item. Even with FF1 you could get a few spells right when you begin the game
>>747883679It's like when the VIIR trannies desperately try to tell everyone that the Remakes are universally loved by everyone and Max needs to go on Twitter and melt down, damage controlling the narrative
>>747894308>>747894481>anti-FF8 schizo is backOff to respond to your own posts from 5 hours ago are you. Very normal stuff
>>747894374The reason you're having a meltdown is because you seem unable to understand that someone can criticize a game and still like it. You're just completely unable to consider the possibility that someone who likes FF8 might actually think the game could have been designed better.
>>747894841Fuck off, redditfrogger.
>>747894845That was literally my first post to you. The reason you think everyone is obsessed with you and malding at your posts would be revealed to you on your next visit to the doctor
>>747894841>>anti-FF8When did I say anything anti FF8?
>>747894990What's wrong with frogs
>>747892378It isn't great but it is a neat tech demo style experience. AI has its limits but the consistency is decent and you can see some actual progress. Still miles and miles away from anything substantial but it is interesting to watch.
>>747895167FF8 is one of the only games in the series without the Toad status.
>>747894841First off, I have never samefagged in my entire life. I am too honest and have too much integrity to ever even think of doing so. It is against my strict personal code of morals to samefag. Second, I'm not even anti-FFVIII. I was just alive when it came out. People didn't like it. A lot of people bought it because of Final Fantasy VII. FFVII was normie shit. In my neighborhood, I had some brothers, and they didn't play video games. Not really. But even they played FFVII, and they got FFVIII before I did, and they said they didn't like it and they didn't finish it, even though they bought it because they liked FFVII. Then when I got FFVIII, I finished it, but I wouldn't say I liked it. I played it as an adult and I liked the dialogue a lot more than I thought I would or that I remembered, and I still wouldn't call the game good, but I don't hate it. I think the dialogue between the characters is all pretty "smart" and really gives you a feel for their personalities in a way that no other FF up to that point, or of that era, does. Some retarded zoomer trying to gaslight people by retconning that "actually everyone loved it" is just retarded. A lot of people bought it because of FFVII, but it was met with deservingly lukewarm reception.
>>747893115The AI does a very good job of turning FF8 screenshots into backgrounds that characters can move around in. Honestly that is the only part of that guy's workflow that I would be interested in knowing what model / steps / etc.
>>747895395I lost this argument and I kneel>>747895412>He wrote all thatMEDS NOW THIS IS AN EMERGENCY
>>747878383One of the guys you're talking about decided to prove you wrong by sitting here for the next five hours proving you right.
>>747895564>engaging in genuine conversation on a primarily text-based web forum is now something that brown zoomers think needs medicationI accept your concession.
>>747895412This whole thread is full of various people calling each other schizos and accusing everyone else of being one guy samefagging. Probably the result of too much GF use.
>>747893907>>747894258>My mistake.Playing a video game is sooooooooo much work, amirite? Not worth it. Imma watch TikTok, now.
>>747892378The action scenes are slightly booty, but he's trying, and some of the cutscenes are just this side of kino. It scratches the itch.
>>747895634>>747895705>1 minute 1 secondThis schizo samefag is cute
>>747884878damn milf rinoa is hot
>>747896440I don't have a 4chan pass, and even with a 4chan pass I'm pretty sure the cooldown would be 90 seconds for posting an image. >>747895789>This whole thread is full of various people calling each other schizos and accusing everyone else of being one guy samefagging.Yeah, I see.
>getting a gf makes you retardedWhat did they mean by this
>>747895634I would this Selphie too
>>747878383What if I told you that the 4chan movement that tries to gaslight people into believing that VIII and XIII were overlooked masterpieces is actually being created and perpetuated by one of the very people who also spends all day defending VIIR from any criticism whatsoever? And that the role model for this individual might even be the person who spend 15 years doing this for Final Fantasy XV?
>>747897445FF8 is deeper than we initially thought
>>747897732Not even a stretch considering he literally already replied with >>747879726 and >>747880858 where he makes clear he's not okay with 8, 13, OR 15 being criticized.I would bet a million dollars 7R is also on his "spend 5 hours replying to every single critical post like a schizo dog barking at anyone who walks by" list.
>>747897732What if I told you that there is no 4chan movement that tries to gaslight people into believing that VIII and XIII were overlooked masterpieces? There's a hell of a lot of people who like 8 though, it's in top 5 FFs on most lists. You can hardly call that overlooked. It just has a lot of dedicated haters who do their best to create an anti-8 narrative>inb4 it's not in top 5Ok let's see your list of best FFs and see how great your taste is then. Don't list MMOs or your mother will die in her sleep TONIGHT
>>747898071>he's not okay with 8, 13, OR 15 being criticizedI'm not? I don't even like 13. See how I said that it's 13-2 that is good? That's a different game, maybe you've heard of it. I do like 13-2, most people who played it doAnd 15 is a mess, I understand why people don't like it. But it's a unique mess. Which is exactly what I've said8 I will defend though, it's a masterpiece
>>747898071The only thing left to do is to ask him for his criticisms of VIIR. >>747898152>What if I told you that there is no 4chan movement that tries to gaslight people into believing that VIII and XIII were overlooked masterpieces?I'd tell you that you either do not use 4chan enough or that you are personally invested in people not noticing. >"okay let's see Paul Allen's FF list"No. I don't hate VIII, btw. I was just alive when it came out so I know it had a lukewarm reception amongst real players. I have also noticed there has been a FFVIII movement lately, much like there has been a XIII movement.
>>747897732I don't like some of the decisions made in FF8's design, but it is so much better than 13 that the two don't even belong in the same league.I played 13 recently, finally finishing it after dropping it several times in the past since release, and it's just so fucking bad. Everyone says it gets better when you reach Pulse, but I actually thought that was the most boring part of the game. Someone mentioned above how "alive" Balamb Garden feels because of all the neat little interactions with students. FF13 has absolutely none of that.
>>747877932Is the hate everyone talking about coming from the spoony review, I mean I don't see lot of hate outside of circles like that.
>>747898559Your noticing is so bad you looked at a post defending 13-2 and thought it's defending 13. You clearly have a boogieman you want to manifest
Young Tom Cruise would have been an excellent actor for Seifer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSSzr9HsGFA
>>747898667It's over hated by people who hate it and over loved by people who like it
this thread lacks selphie pics
>>747898705Calm down, anon. You're getting people mixed up now. I'm not even sure if that happened. >>747898627>I don't like some of the decisions made in FF8's design, but it is so much better than 13 that the two don't even belong in the same league.I agree with you.
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>>747898774Can't you find a balance, or just admit both sides are faggots, and leave it at then?
>>747898774Correct.
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>>747899139I think it's a solid game
It does it was bad.>we all grew up together but just forgot actually because Guardian Forceslmao
>>747898927No I'm not because you responded to that guy and agreed with him. But maybe you do just randomly agree with posts that you don't read, maybe that's your thing
>>747899290Oh so Cloud has a monopoly on forgetting things randomly and Tifa a monopoly on conveniently not bringing things up? I don't think so
>>747899365>No I'm noYes, you are. Look, please advance this conversation or stop replying. I'm not going to reply "no u" back and forth like this for the next several hours.
>>747898402>>747898705Well if you'd like to REALLY prove us wrong, you'll be happy to tell us what criticisms you have of VIIR.And how do you generally feel about others criticizing it?We already know what a deflection reply means. So try answer instead of proving our suspicions right. It would be nice to prove us wrong, wouldn't it?
>>747899139What for? Do you wake up and go to /v/ and say>I sure hope I don't have to argue about videogames today
>>747899559people with incorrect ff opinions need to be defeated even if it means I lose 10 hours every day to it
Asserting dominance over Selphie by seizing her by the zipper and quickly and firmly yanking her dress open.
>>747899506I like 7R, I think it's great. Go ahead an make that a stereotype. Start saying that people who like 8 also like 7R. I also like 2. And that's a popular thing, a lot of 8 fans like 2 as well. But I don't like 13 or 15, I think they're the weakest 3D entries. Except for 16 which is an ungodly abomination and every fan of it should be castrated>We already know what a deflection reply means. So try answer instead of proving our suspicions right. It would be nice to prove us wrong, wouldn't it?I won't even try to understand what this schizo nonsense is supposed to imply
>>747899810This, but Zell
>>747899646What do you mean "lose"? Arguing about videogames is the best case scenario on /v/. Usually you just end up arguing about politics or trannies and then wake up banned for racism
>>747899815>I like 7R, I think it's great.That's not what he asked, anon. He asked for your criticisms of it.
I junctioned the "ENC-NONE" filter. I win 4chan.
>>747899957I don't know, some side quests dragged on for too long? Yuffie DLC was a bit linear? The new bit where you explored the upper plate was underwhelming? I liked the ghosts if that's what you're asking about. I don't want a 1 to 1 remake, I already replay old games, I don't need an HD copy of 7, 7 itself is good enough for me
>>747899912that's how Trump got elected unironically
>>747879726>>747880858>>747899815The same person wrote all three of these posts.
>>747899815>he literally deflection replied anywaylmaooooooooo
>>747901202Yeah I did. I never pretended I didn't. Here's my FF ranking too since you seem to deeply care about my opinions on FF>>747888539>>747901390Deflected what? What exactly is your question?>And how do you generally feel about others criticizing it?Is that what you need me to reply to? I don't really care is the answer.
>>747902196>I don't careCool.But if it's 8... well, there go your next six hours I guess.
>>747903434>heh you argue about games you like on /v/Yeah. What do you do on /v/?
>>747903967I talk about games I like with others who like them instead of spending my whole day seething about anyone who doesn't.Especially when those games are from the 90s. I really don't think any game that old needs white knighting so hard. It just comes across as a weird personal problem, like a failure to accept opinions that differ from ones own. FF8's fate is not being decided in 2026, after all.Do you think there's a chance you have autism?
>>747878383Evidently true
>>747903967you think its based to kvetch on /v/ for hours like a schizo, and I think that's lame and sad. not sure what else to tell you. im sure the "victories" make it all worth it tho
>>747906221>no rinoabased
>>747889353Fuck them for using that Dissidia Squall. Lazy assholes.
>>747877932Are you perhaps this man posting here again?
>>747906314R=E
>>747906314Gee, I wonder why?
>>747889353>enjoy 1-5>esper system in VI makes me not care about cast>VII is just meh, the midgar part is comfy game world is smallish to me materia system ignored game is too easyShould I bother with VIII?
>>747904616>>747904245>yes I talk about games on /v/>two seething repliesYou're a gift that keeps on giving, never change
>>747907425>pretending the two guys making fun of your objectively sad behaviour is one guy to not face what either of them saidwhatever helps.you've been malding for over 7 hours straight, not for the first time I expect. a very sad life. but anyone who thinks so is a samefag right? so keep it up!
cute
>>747907637holy fuck
