Just accept it. Metroid was always meant to be a 2D side scroller. Moving the series into 3D was a mistake.
>"Moving the series into 3D">look inside>no platforming, no actual aiming, zero attempt to integrate mechanics like wall jumping and shinesparking into a third person environmentplay more games
like, use your imagination mate.
I hate all metroidvanias.
>>747914574Other M could've been great. Shame the gameplay has too many flaws to qualify as good though
>Redditjak comic spam #345234412344chan is dead.
>>747914465But Prime 1 is the best game in the franchise
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>>7479144653D was not the problem, Tanabe losing his marbles was (as proven by him tanking at least two other Nintendo series)
>>747914465Notice how it's the prime games that are horrible and the 2D games are good?
>>747914574NINTENDO
>>747914914The Prime games have great atmosphere, music, and level design and all, but in terms of combat and movement, they aren't very good. Samus is extremely floaty and lumbering, and the gunplay has the depth of a rail shooter. Watching Samus do snappy, precise, responsive somersalts from platform to platform and learning and mastering punishing boss attack patterns was an essential part of the Metroid experience. Which is something that the Prime games simply can't replicate
>>747914465>prime 4 delayed>"metroid is dead"The funny thing is, actually most of the responses were positive. "Now it will be good for sure. A delayed game is good eventuallu. A rushed game is bad forever." These people had never heard of development hell. They also didn't understand that Retro studios is not the same studio it was 20 years ago.
>>747915219I think Prime CAN be faster and snappier, but it think it would need to trade just a bit of its polish for that. FPS are well known for being fast paced and snappy, but there's also a bit of inherent jank that comes with it, which is something Nintendo usually avoids at all costs. I can imagine a faster Prime quickly resulting in people breaking apart the environment, not just with sequence breaks but outright OOBs trickery that was notably squashed in the undeniably slow Prime 1.
>>747914862Yeah it should be rage comics instead, OP is the epic fail guy!!!
>>747915219>Watching Samus do snappy, precise, responsive somersalts from platform to platform and learning and mastering punishing boss attack patterns was an essential part of the Metroid experienceWhat are you smoki g? 2D combat was medocrie until mercury steam stepped into play
>>747914465I agree on one singular condition. That you admit that Metroid prime 1 wasn't a mistake and was good, and should have been a one-time thing till we went back to 2D. Much like how Re4 shoulda been the one-off till we went back to classic before the bulletspray codwiggers took over the franchise and became the main demographic.>>747915615I cant help but think what the cancelled metroid prime 4 coulda been. Because I guarantee at some level it was what we actually wanted, but Nintendo and Miyamoto had a hissyfit that it didn't try open world because of breath of the farts.
>>747915741I'll admit that Super was a bit on the floatier side, but Zero and Fusion were extremely snappy and satisfying. Fusion in particular has tons of great, harsh boss fights
>>747914465>>747914574It should swap from 2d to 3d like Nier Automata
>>747916223You mean like Other M
>>747914914Correct. Too bad designing 3D Metroidvanias seems to be too much for the average game developer, even indies are deathly afraid of trying to make one.
Federation Force was underrated. Its a shame it came out at a time that people wouldn't have appreciated it for what it was
>>747916602It was a good idea with bad execution
>>747915194SUE
I never see anyone actually talk about Prime 2 or 3 as if they don't even exist and only 1 and 4 matter. And I'm sure 4 would suffer the exact same fate if it hadn't been stuck in development hell for half a decade.
>>747916602I hear this repeated a fair bit, it's almost enough to make me try it again. I remember not liking it, but I played it at release when I was convinced it was the last Metroid we'd see. Probably soured my experience.
>>747916602>>747917017I'm not sure why publishers greenlight spinoffs after long periods since a mainline entry, it's always a marketing disaster. Like at least announce a mainline at the same time even if it's further out. Returns came out the year after Fed Force, just put it out there that a 2D Metroid is coming in the future after the announcement.
Prime > Dread > Super > (Ravenous (tentatively)) > Prime 2 > AM2R > Samus Returns > Prime 3 > Zero Mission > Fusion > Metroid II > Metroid > Prime Hunters (singleplayer only) > Federation Force > Other M > Prime 4
>>747916856THIS
>Ravenous (tentatively)Faggot.
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>>747917592JEWISH
>>747917825SPACE
>>747914574>no platforming, no actual aiming, zero attempt to integrate mechanics like wall jumping and shinesparking into a third person environmentIf you want to bing bing wahoo just play mario you fuckin tranny. Metroid is supposed to be for real men
>>747914914nah, the sequel was even better
>>747915795>I cant help but think what the cancelled metroid prime 4 coulda been. Because I guarantee at some level it was what we actually wanted, but Nintendo and Miyamoto had a hissyfit that it didn't try open world because of breath of the farts.I don't believe it. Why wouldn't they just take what they had and shoehorn in an open world then? It ended up feeling shoehorned in anyway.
>>747915795they said that they had to continue the ideas that bandai namco started when development was handed to retro.it sounded to me like the original prime 4 ideas were set in stone and they were always terrible from the start, and thats exactly what we got.
>>747916362the area traversal in other m wasnt even a problem. I would be down for another metroid to go back and forth from 2d to 3d.it was really the shallow dodge spam combat, first person missile nonsense, and complete lack of any optional backtracking that were the real problems. other m is a sloppy action game first, and a metroid game second, which is dumb and they shouldnt have done that. but the ideas can be done right with some better design foundation
>>747914465Samus Returns was bad. Dread was merely ok.
