Why is he and Valve so beloved while companies like Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft are seen as evil?
Because he gave us gamers what we desired and deserved. He is a hero. He deserves our love and our beautiful virgin dicks.
>>748081425>Valve addressed the major problem of the 2000s, which was that companies like EA sucked at actually selling games, so they took steps to fix it and have generally attempted to make selling and buying games as easy and convenient as possible>Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft instead clung to their dead console paradigm, because the "console" title let them ignore a lot of consumer protections with their locked down shitboxes. Consoles attempting to cling to life dragged down the entire industry because they couldn't keep up with hardware and controller innovation, Sony was even responsible for Securom.Valve isn't great, but they're the lesser evil and didn't actively try to ruin gaming.>inb4 some copypasta trying to attribute shit from Bethesda, Activision and EA to Valve
>>748081425Because he doesn't say much.He's the strong, silent type.
>>748081425Both are overrated, but still generally doing better for their actual customers than almost any other company in the games industry.
>>748081425because a lot of what valve does is actually consumer friendlythey are serving the consumer and not just sucking off the shareholders
>>748081425Private company, so Valve's loyalty is typical towards consumers since consumers are really their only source of revenue.Most of Valve's judgement will be towards attracting and maintaining consumersNintendo/Sony/Microsoft are publicly traded so often their actions will be geared towards bolstering their investors. This can sometimes lead to unfriendly practices towards consumers.Double edged sword though as we found out when Valve attempted to enter the hardware space. Investor capital is really good at mitigating large cost like with Consoles. Valve doesn't have that luxury so it's true cost gets passed to the consumer, which is why the Steam Machine was going for over 1k.
>>748081425They are all seen as evil by haters and good by people satisfied with their purchases. We have enough Valve hate threads on this board to testify to that. Which you hear hated and loved more is a matter of what bubbles you frequent.
>>748081598Gamers are retarded and deserve shit.
>>748081425>>beloved>it's all shills and turd worlders who had counter strike instead of callofdooty
>>748081425It's a private company so they boil the water way more slowly
Even if Valve is greedy, they’re not suicidally greedy and they even do some actually good things for PC gaming at times, such as advancing gaming on Linux.I hate it when people act like Newell is their friend, but sure, I give Valve credit for not just thinking about the next financial quarter but having more interest in building long term customer relations.
>>748081425Because Valve is the apple of gaming with even a more cultist fanbase.People on /v/ will defend them working with Sweet Baby Inc, banning anime games, donating money to democrats, hiring pro-BLM activists and more.
>>748081425They are in a lawsuit to defend their gambling interests. They are the bad guys.
beloved by who? subhumans? gabe can burn in hell
>>748082612> working with Sweet Baby Inc, banning anime games, donating money to democrats, hiring pro-BLM activists and more.All that is based though
Because people associate good games with steam, which in turn is associated with valve.When you play any of their current games you'll quickly find out that they're just as creatively bankrupt, out of touch and cartoonishly greedy and evil as any other company.This has manifested in their hardware division, where with infinite research budget and time they've shat out a mediocre controller, an overpriced console analogue with literally 0 exclusives, and a steam frame that will undersell their fucking $1000 handheld (no, not the deck as a whole which already has abysmal sales figures, just the $1000 variant of that handheld)It's not a competence crisis, it's a willingness to be incompetent.
>>748082712>All that is based though
>>748081425Good commercial practices.When i don't like a game (80% of the time) i play 1 hour and i get a refund.Happened yesterday with 3 Ubisoft games i bought, all shit, as expected. I hate their gameplay so much, it's unreal.
>>748082790>>Good commercial practices.You mean the thing they were FORCED to do after being sued for breaking BASIC CONSUMER rights?You are praising a company for being forced to do something after being sued?
>>748082745Stop posting pictures of me and my gf
>>748081425Because companies that are not Valve sue children for playing around with basic rom modifications
>>748082734>a mediocre controllerHow is it mediocre when it's the single best option on the market?>an overpriced console analogue with literally 0 exclusives'Exclusives are bad, and it is overpriced, which is why only fanboys bought it.>undersell>abysmal sales figuresSelling 100% is not underselling or abysmal, it's literally selling 100%, couldn't physically be selling better.
>>748082551>LiNUX gAmInG sAvEdNo it wasn’t, the original plan of Linux only with Linux native support is dead. Now Linux gaming is over reliance on Proton a software that kinda works on certain games. Linux gaming is send backwards instead of forward.
>>748081425They're seemingly the only company left that functions how a company should, IE, they aim to deliver a better product to increase profits rather than endlessly gouge.
>>748082825so when are sony and nintendo going to be forced into allowing generous refunds?when are they going to be sued for vendor lock in like apple?
>>748082825Why can't other companies do the same then? Sue Sony for anticonsumer practices and see if you and your family live to see court.
>>748082889retarded techlet applenigger, at no point are you forced to use steamos, it's an os for retards that you can simply overwrite if you're not one
>>748082825Potayto potahto. As a result of that, we lost the extremely deep sales and flash sales that made Steam fun in the past.Sure, you couldn't refund Fagsassin's Creed, but when you only spent a Big Mac on it, who cares.
>>748082895>>748082925>WHATABOUTISMI don't know and I don't care, this thread is about Valve. Why can't there be a single conversation about Valve on this site without fanboys screaming WHATBOUTISM?
>>748082889The idea of every game getting native Linux versions was a fucking pipe dream, it was never going to happen.
>>748082825There's also all the sales they do, they weren't forced to do that.
>>748082895Steam is vender lock too idiot, you are required to use the client to download games. You are required to create a account. You are required to provide personal information.Just like Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft and others. They are the bad guys.
>>748082949Because we're comparing storefronts not talking about Valve exclusively you retarded ape.
>>748082949Not him but it’s all relative, the entire thread is a comparison of companies. Stop yelling like a retard
>>748082949>I don't know and I don't care, this thread is about Valve. that's what i wanted to hearyou're retarded and want to set arbitrary standards for steam that NO ONE ELSE HAS TO FOLLOWprotip faggot, NO ONE offered digital refunds before steam, THEY WERE THE FIRST
>>748083008>>748083028>>748083048Yes we fucking are, this entire thread is about valve and not storefronts.Shills praised valve because of a thing they were FORCED to do and then you go and do the typical WHATABOUTISM when told so
>>748082995>vender lock too idiotesljeet lmaovendor lock in refers to HARDWARE, you fucking moronand no HARDWARE is locked to being able to use steam and steam only
>>748083063This thread is about Valve, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. You need to learn to read nigger.
>>748083048>>748083028>>748083008What does the fact that Valve was forced to implement refunds have to do with other companies?
>>748083063Wrong, I made the thread and asked why Valve and Steam has a better reputation. The thread is not only about Valve.
>>748082949Because the alternative for Valve isn’t that games somehow just appear on your hard drive DRM free, there will always be some business in between you and the games. Instead of pining for some platonic ideal system, it’s more realistic to compare existing competitors, for one of them would ultimately have been the one to dominate the market.
>>748083095Other storefronts do not offer reasonable refunds. Any more sub 60 IQ questions you's like to shoot out?
>>748082935>Says Proton was the problem and native apps should be the solution>Steam cult “WhY tAlK baD aBoUt StEaMoS”Just proves my point, you’re over reliance on a company that doesn’t care about gaming on Linux and instead convince people to download a even shitter operating system.
>>748083139try again in english illiterate jeet
>>748082889>>748083139Imagine being so retarded, clueless and generally tech illiterate with this much damn confidence. Do console niggers really?
>>748083137What does that have to do with Valve tho? The discussion was that Valve was super based for implementing this feature that they were FORCED to do.The existence of other companies doesn't change anything about this.
>>748082889Native linux versions of proprietary software that is not constantly updated are a complete non-starter unless you severely limit the supported distros.
>>748083139native linux support is a chicken and egg situation you moronic faggot techletit would cost fucking billions of investment into developers for it to happen and you'd STILL have lots of compatibility gaps due to games that have been abandonedno, proton is the right solution and it's also a STOPGAP until linux can get enough MARKETSHARE that developers have to actively think about supporting it
>>748083139But why even bring SteamOS into discussiom when you can run Proton without it?
>>748083212Other companies did not implement this feature. Can you breathe without assistance?
Do clueless faggots like this one genuinely believe you need Steam to use Proton? Or that Valve forces people to use SteamOS?
>>748081425valve's always had retarded cultists, especially all the new linux drone "free" software faggots that joined
>>748083305And what does that have to do with the discussion again? Are you illiterate?Why is Valve more based for implementing something they were FORCED to do just because other companies didn't do it?
>>748083350Nope, the console niggers crying about Valve have always been the retard cultists.
Of course the linuxcels derailed the thread
>>748083075>>748083334Umm actually, you can’t use Windows on Steam Machines as shown here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qatYZdaYu-A-Doesn’t run well-Missing Windows drivers-Missing core components-No dual boot-Main keyboard or mouse support might bug outIt’s vender locked.
>>748081425>offer a decent service >don't be too much of a dick>don't enshittify too muchThat's it. But it is in fact too much to ask from corpos.
>>748083371Because they did implement it while other companies did not you retarded shitskin. Therefore, for me, the customer, Valve is the better option regardless of whether they were forced to implement it or not.
>>748083371Why is nobody forcing companies like Sony, which actively makes getting a refund harder for you the second you start downloading because they think you used what you paid for?
>>748083371no one forced valve to roll it out worldwide you worthless faggotyes, we should be looking at reality instead of seething about the circumstancesand the reality is that valve has better terms than anyone else by a fucking landslide
>>748083418What do you mean derailed? Linux support is one of the very relevant reasons Valve is so beloved. It's certainly the #1 reason I like them
>have service people like>make games people like>not publicly traded so no pressure to appease shareholders just Gaben's yachtsThat last one has the added benefit of making Valve less vulnerable to outside influence.
>>748083432that's on AMD, dumbass, their windows drivers are closed source and don't support itnot that i give a shit, imagine wanting to install a jeet OS
Why are tendies and snoys such whiny children? They love to hate valve for sins that their own companies are guilty of, ten times over.
>>748081425because they have a cult fanbase like Disney
>>748083490Also noone forced them to do the 2 hours of gameplay rule. They could’ve just implemented the retarded broken regund system Nintendo has in countries where it’s required
>>748083619That's Nintendo.
>>748082825The state of fanboys defending this. They really are worse than tendies.
>a game that exists that's not on Valve>steam cultists just spam every discussion about it with "ADD TO STEAM PLEASE"I hate zoomers, I bet most steam users don't even know what a folder is.
>>748083708>I hate zoomers, I bet most steam users don't even know what a folder is.you do know that that meme refers to normalfags that only have phones, right?
>>748081425>MicrosoftBiggest company in the world made by the smartest people around but also the biggest example of line goes up, if investors say that you have to replace all competent people with imported jeets for their Q4 predictions to keep the line from going down you WILL comply.>SonyBeloved in the PS1 and PS2 era for pushing tech forward PS3 era is when they realized they could just to appeal to braindead cattle and it went downhill form there.>NintendoBecause it's slowly turning into Disney with their copyright policing, but at the same time it's become popular with cattle to hate on Nintendo and the fact that pokemon (which they have surprisingly little sway over) has yet to produce a single good title since the last 2 console generations.>ValveDo nothing, win.Who knew making a centralized game store that doesn't try to fuck you over would be the to-go place for gamers and rake in bilions yearly?
>>748083708That is rich, coming from a console baby.
>>748083708No Steam = no buy. Simple as.
>>748083708I have accounts both on GoG and Steam. Sorry bucko. Next?
1. private2. sell directly to enthusiast consumer demographic with no middlementhese two factors allow them to approach consumers in a way that is basically impossible for any other first party publisher.
>>748083821Anon Valve IS the middleman
>>748083708i think it comes from wanting all your games in one place since physical media is not a thing anymore.GoG is fighting the good fight but not trying to do shady shit doesn't pay enough to put you in the spotlight.
>>748083115This.While GOG exists, publishers aren't willing to put everything there, so it's a moot point. Steam remains the best EXISTING option.
>tendiegoys seething in another threadman they have it so rough these last few yearsand thats a good thing, nintendo killed gaming.
>>748081425Gabe is PC gamers Steve Jobs. He made it accessible to poor people. Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are evil because the people who play those consoles are rich (to them).
>>748084009>he says this as consolecucks choose to save $100 if it means their low iq is accommodated for
>>748081425I hate Valve as a gaming company (the last major single player game release was 6 years ago), but their contribution to Linux gaming makes up for it.
>>748083875>not trying to do shady shitnigger they broke a shit ton of games when they tried to force their retarded cheevos and launcher despite all opposition
>>748084009huh? Nintendon't is literally the designated thirdie central for poorfags
Valve is good because they make everything on PC "just work". Games will just work even if you play them on an OS where they shouldn't work. Controllers will not only just work, but they work better than they do on the console they were originally made for. They also don't add any extra costs for playing online. Aside from that, they generally don't do anything, which is a winning strategy. Their negatives are exclusively associated with games I don't play, so they are easier to ignore.Nintendo is good because they make loads of 1st party games that are generally good quality. Their only downside is that they never drop prices and will also get over confident to push bad practices like $80 for MKW. Paying extra for online is a big negative.Sony and Microsoft are bad because they represent everything bad about modern video games. I hold a grudge against Sony in particular because they used to fund a large amount of 1st and 3rd party games with a lot of variety that fit all types of possible tastes but now care about nothing but the most generic games in the hope of maximizing profit. Paying extra for online is also a big negative here too.
>>748083994They have been pissing themselves in anger lately. What happened? >metroidfags constantly bringing up how much they hate hollow knight>same with mario kart fags and sonic crossworlds>donkey kong pedos crying about hating Hat in time >zelda fans wont shut up about how they hate the witcher and other open world games, while pushing their obnoxious, low quality outsourced jeet remakeWhat is their problem?
>>748083903gogdownload.com existing was just absolute cuckery for a game publisher direct download piracy with no risk or hassle the second you put something on the store.
>>748084078Gog Galaxy was rough but now I prefer it over having to download like 10-20 parts individually for any "big" game and they continue to do good for the gaming communityLike yeah Doom Eternal needed like 6 years to get on GoG but they DID remove the DRM and make the login screen skippable
>>748081425Valve sells me things and doesn't make it too tedious for the most part. Everyone else could learn from that very simple concept.
>>748083576>>748083751>>748083334>>748083239>>748083210>No BlAmE iT tO SoMeOnE elSEShut up, Valve had the years and money to build a operating system that doesn’t involve all this nonsense. They are cheapskates who altered the KDE desktop environment code so that it can always run their applications. Valve didn’t do anything special or make new things.
>>748084150>>748083994i'd advise against this behind their backs petty gossiping, you're better than tendiesthey're retarded, let them behave like women without copying it
>>748084132>Nintendo is good because they make loads of 1st party games that are generally good quality
>>748084168There's been a billion sites through the years just easily ripping the DRM from Steam games and uploading them as free uploads and yet it continues to get thousands of games monthly
>>748084218you want valve to make a distinct non linux family of operating systems instead of building on the rock solid foundation of linux?just how retarded are you? why do you want MORE FRAGMENTATION?
>>748084150As always it follows like this>|non-nintendo entity| do |thing|>this is bad and dangerous for the industry>|nintendo| does |thing|>this is good and based for the industry
Severe Stockholm syndrome, Steam was universally hated back 2003/2004 when it was a requirement for CS:S and HL2.
>>748084353It stopped being hated because the reasons for hating it stopped. Don't really get your point.
>>748084213>You have to download their client>You have to make an account>Buy/free download the game>Wait for nonsense extra content>Possibly of 3rd party Luncher>Make another account if the game asks>Play the game after signing away your rightsNo anon it’s notGOG>Make account>Buy or download game on browser>Play the gameIt’s that simple anon, GOG wins every time.
>>748081425Because Valve adapted to the consumer base and market it supports whilst everyone else has done everything in their power to make things actively worse for their consumer base. Any number of criticisms can be levelled at Valve over the years but ultimately they invariably ended up erring on the side of the consumer and catering towards making their platform better for the end consumer. Every other platform that is in some degree a competitor has consciously decided not to do this. So by a simple process of elimination Valve ends up the winner.
>>748084353I don't see how "gamers being retarded back then" is a good argument.
>>748084428>GAGtroon didn't have enough of assraping from SteamBVLSsigh...
>>748081425Because steamies are brown
>>748084428gogcucks really aren't sending their best lmaoit will take you way less time to play a game on steam just because of how slow the downloads are
>>748084431They created a policy that disallowed you to a class action lawsuit against them. No they are not the good guys.
>>748083350No one who thinks that was around or conscious as a 'person' back when Steam became a thing. Steam was largely decried for existing back when it appeared by simply existing prior to proliferation of reasonably priced high speed internet access outside the US. Steam only became accepted by and large after the fact once ADSL2+ rolled out across the world and high speed internet access became the norm. Prior to that people rightly bitched and moaned about HL2 needing internet access just to play despite not having any MP at launch.
>>748084150And a bunch of other shit you made up in your mind
>>748084132>buy stream controller>FORCED to have steam open to use them>"just works"GOOD MORNING SIR
>>748083994Haha meltie!>>748084075
>>748084671>stream controllerVERY MORNING SIR
>>748084671>stream controlleresl phonejeet lmao>FORCED to have steam open to use themnot on linux :)
It feels like a kabuki theatre sometimes.Where at literal fucking church hours you get the fastest thread on the board with valve bashing and defense force out of nowhere.I swear this is some fucking jeet marketing campaign from valve to keep publicity high. ON SUNDAY? AT 8AM?
>>748084605Company policy is irrelevant as has been proven numerous times. They can put whatever they want in the T&Cs as all corporations do. In the end the only times they have made actual functional changes is under direct legal threat from government bodies. Which on paper sounds bad but by and large has usually been in favour of the end consumer.
>>748084671That's not true though
>>748084627Metroid babies cant go 5 seconds without seething over hollow knight or nine sols or environmental station alpha. Hell, they cant even criticize the games properly. Their biggest critique against ESA was, and i am not joking,>there are no tiddies to jerk off toBunch of porn addicts.
>>748084554>ItTakEsLeSStiMeWell technically GOG doesn’t have shaders or other nonsense to compile. Doesn’t make you sign up for 3rd party accounts like Ubisoft. Doesn’t lose ram due to launcher requirements.GOG is just play game and be happy.
>>748081425>ValveIt's a private company, therefor not pressured by investors.Has done several pro-consumer actions, all of which considered unthinkable.An example, games don't have ads internally due to Valve forbidding them.>NintendoNo one hate his fans more than Nintendo.Nindendo is quite famous for being the most petty company.They denied to stream their games to a streaming charity.Several times they striked mods, only to copy the idea shortly after.Their sales simply suck.Their patents threat the industry.>SonyWoke (this implies several negative things beyond the performative activism, like the degradation of art and hypocrisy).Hates the idea of cross-play, for some reason.They were fine with Concord, but get pissy about Kojima.Their anti-physical stunt is aimed to create a monopoly in which they can sell the games only through their store with higher prices.Constantly try to force for email subscription in order to use that subscriber number to deceive investors (see the Helldivers 2 fiasco).>MicrosoftWoke.They try to inject their operative system with every sort of telemetry and AI, bloating it to absurd levels and making it to act like a spyware.Does nothing about the studios that ruined Halo and Gears of War, yet it destroyed the creators of Hi-Fi Rush over retarded reasons.---These are just the few things that came to my mind on the fly, but about this topic you can make a wall of text.
>>748084807You are mentally ill
>>748084825>Has done several pro-consumer actions, all of which considered unthinkable.You mean got sued and forced to do so?
>>748084623Half Life 2 needed internet for one-time verification and then you'd be able to play offline so this was basically claiming that your internet is too shit to open a website in reasonable time, or that you don't have it at all.Besides all through the 2000's people were just happily downloading games from the internet at such a rate that the industry was terrified of PC piracy, what is this revisionism?
>>748084353I was one of those retards defending steam back then but in my defense I thought they were making episode 3
>>748084849 Go back to your famitsu hugbox.
>>748081425I mean this is a dumb question.But it boils down to being a private company and loyalty and dedication to the consumer.Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo don't have real owners they have temporary CEOs, whereas with Valve what you see is what you get.Next, Microsoft and Sony don't have the touch of quality that Nintendo or Valve have.Nintendo is the closest to Valve in terms of customer loyalty but Nintendo releases gen after gen of platforms so frequently that have felt mediocre. Like Gamecube was bad, Wii was bad, and I gave up following on whatever came after.Also Valve continues to support their games for a long time generally so it doesn't feel like they released a cashgrab then abandon it for the next project. Dota 2 is 13 years old at this point and still getting updates.
>>748084912It did start out as a Sony hugbox yeah. Whatever happened there?
>>748084917>so it doesn't feel like they released a cashgrab then abandon it for the next project.LMAO are you fucking serious?
>>748084671Just like the controller I was using before I bought the steam controller. Valve controller software works well and lets you make really complex mappings. The 8bitdo software was terrible by comparison and I would never use a controller that doesn't need extra software to run since that means that controller wouldn't be able to do anything useful. Good controller support is genuinely one of the main reasons I play PC games over consoles.
If you love corpo you hate yourself
>>748085000>I did WHATABOUTISM so you got btfogood morning sir
>>748084823gog doesn't have new games that require shader compilation, you got that rightin fact, even indie devs don't give a shit about gog, that's how irrelevant it really is
>>748082935>you can simply overwriteSo, I can install whatever memedistro I want on 'eck/gabecube?
>>748084823unless the game has more than one dlc. then you have to manually click through the wizard for each and every single one individually because gog doesn't actually give a shit about it's customers and thinks drm-free is a magic word.
>>748084907Needing a connection at all was the crux of the issue as many outside the US needed to still manually connect to dial up to be online. It was rightly felt to be a needless DRM check at the time. Don't get me wrong Steam as a digital distribution platform was perfect valid and arguably the future of the industry, but it was ahead of its time for the majority of the world back when it launched. So ultimately people bought a physical game from a retail store and suddenly found they needed to enact internet access just to play the SP game they bought which was rightly bullshit.
>>748085040yes, it's a completely unlocked bootloader and the only real differences between steamos and other distros is that you're running older packages for stability
>>748084745Yes, they decided they wanted this policy to stop people from suing them. Arbitration clauses are censorship in the legal profession. Valve knew they’re in the wrong and tried to silence people.
>>748085028yes, you look at the state of the industry to pass judgmentone company offers generous refunds and the other doesn't offer them at allthat's all that matters, any further cope is you desperately seething about steam
>>748085218And yet again mr. Ranjit the fact that other companies exist doesn't change the fact the only reason Valve did it was because they got sued and was forced to do so.How can this be so hard to understand?
>>748084917>ThEy SuPpoRt tHeiR gAmEsEveryone in TF2 knows that’s a lie.
>>748084862You are cherry picking on a single instance (which is, the refund system?) while ignoring the several pro-consumer actions that no one asked or forced them to do.
>>748085039Yeah man, I'm sure this is why GoG still gets indie games.>A-AND THEY'RE OUTDATED BY LIKE 2 YEARS RIGHT???No the indies I have on gog did a decent job keeping up with Steam, the biggest offender I'm aware of is Death Road to Canada which is outdated by like a year and Klei which really don't seem to care much about GoG customers.
>>748085273What's preventing these other companies from being better than Valve and doing what Valve did without being sued?
>>748081425You're israeli, you wouldn't understand.
>>748085171It is still a moot point given that they can't supersede ACCC law. Hell the reason why they do refunds is because they got dragged by the ACCC for not complying with business practices in Australia. So they can out whatever they want in their T&Cs, it is irrelevant if a government body decides it doesn't comply with the law in their country. This isn't unique to their situation either. Plenty of corporations have found their T&Cs are irrelevant to legal proceedings. It just comes down to an equation of whether compliance costs more than non-compliance and abandoning the affected country. And the majority of time compliance costs less than non-compliance coupled with abandoning.
>>748085121They’re legally required to tell you, the apps are not yours to own.
>>748085273no one forced them to roll it out beyond australia, you moronic jeetyet they did ityou want people to use objectively worse services just because valve got sued as if that fucking mattered to the customer
>>748085318Still gets support to this day. Tell me, why did blizzard drop overwatch 1? Why did nintendo drop splatoon 1? Why did they make pointless cash grab sequels that required you to spend money?
>>748085318>muh TF2Half life, Portal, old Counter Strike or Left 4 Dead continue to be kept playable with updates and patches and will likely be kept alive for years to come. This is way, way, way more than other companies tend to do when they either leave their old titles to suffer in abandonware hell, sell them but don't bother updating them, only give them half-assed support or just give them some crappy "remaster" or "remake".
>>748085329Pro consumer like not owning your games, forced DRM, having to pay to use basic features like the marketplace, Valve employees shutting down discussions on their forums, some of the biggest data leaks in history, inventing the battlepass, popularizing gambling and lootboxes in the west, participating in #metoo bullshit, having to give your personal info like phone numbers to fully play their games.Or was it something else?
>>748085335gog is barely alive lmaoit was sold for $25 million
>>748084671>xinputroon is still seething
>>748085450Why did Valve drop Artifact, why did Valve drop underlords? Why are games like Dota 2 in lifesupport mode despite having so many players?Meanwhile blizzard still support games like HotS
>>748085432so just like everyone else?the difference is that it's impossible to enforce a license on PC
>>748085432Yes, i'm aware how console niggers continue to be mindbroken over Valve kindly underlining what should've been obvious from the start with digital purchases.I genuinely wonder - what did you people think you were buying from Steam before Valve underlined it? You thought Gabe was putting minature discs in your computer or something?
>>748085480>inventing the battlepass, popularizing gambling and lootboxes in the west,zoomers are hilarious
>>748085490GoG was never a big money maker but it continues to keep afloat and stick to its goal. Also it was sold back into the hands of an original founder and made private. How old are you?
>>748085580Are you actually trying to claim that Valve didn't invent the battlepass?
>>748085450>>748085459Why did they killed off CSGO?Why didn’t they complete HL3?Why didn’t they update the original Team Fortress?Where is Deadlock?Shut up anon, they literally don’t care.
>>748085532>Why did Valve drop Artifact, why did Valve drop underlords?Because they were online games that failed. Valve continues to keep their decades old singleplayer games alive with steady support, which is - again - way more than most other companies do for their classics.
>>748085480>inventing the battlepass, popularizing gambling and lootboxes in the westSay psych bro. You can't be young enough to think this is true.
>>748085595>keep afloatwhat a generous term to describe itthey barely have a pulseagain, cdpr thinks that their potential lifetime profits from gog are worth less than $25 millionmany indies make more money than that on steam
>>748085685I ask again, are you claiming that Valve didn't invent the battlepass?
>>748085652You can still play those games.
>>748081425I saw his yacht in person recently, it was docked right by me. Sent a picture to my friends and one of them responded ''my CS skins paid for that thing''
>>748084979Yea I'm serious.TF2, Dota2, and CSGO (2) both get free updates to this day.Compare this to practices like Bethesda that has rereleased Skyrim a dozen times now.
>>748085652dota2 and tf2 are just as dead too.
>>748081425*tap tap*
>>748085652They made CS Go downloadable again, even if it's a "hidden" option.The topic of HL3 was discussed many many times and has nothing in common with the discussion.Last TF Classic update was in 2024.In development. Not related to the topic.Are you stupid?>>748085692It's a small, niche business that doesn't make millions but has enough to keep going. This was always the case with GoG, a service that is going to be 2 decades old soon. Not bad for something that "barely has a pulse".Being private and back home is better than being owned by CD Project kikes.
>>748085672No anon, Source Engine is still outdated, Source Film Engine is near obsolete that you are required to install older Blender software to handle ancient code.
>>748085540Some seem to have this idea that it's literally within Gabe's power to choose to give you genuine ownership over the games and he's just not doing so
>>748081425/v/ has always jerked off nintendo
>>748085792To think it could’ve paid the salary of 100 black women
I'm convinced that all of these recent anti Valve threads are made by non Valve interns and devs.This anti Valve stuff didn't happen until Sony shat the bed killing their disc drive support.
>>748085607they didn't.
>>748085798>tf2: updates by (unpaid) community dev team (profits to valve)>dota2: where they put robin walker who decided to kill the game the same way that they killed tf2 (20 nerf patches in a row to remind you why they call it a nerf - it's a mockery of the real thing)>CSGO2: literally ruined the game that's been the same for 20 years
We've seen this before. (((Private equity))) going after Gabe for Valve ownership like it went after George Lucas for the Star Wars IP and Michael Jackson for his Beatles catalogue.Economic hitmen are testing the character assassination waters with these threads.
>>748085763Well no, not deadlock considering it’s on a waitlist.
>>748085969>>748085825Then tell me how i can access splatoon 3's online, without buying the game and only having splatoon 1. Nintendo wouldnt lock me out, right?
>>748081425>Sony admits that when you buy a game off their store you don't legally own it, you're just buying a license>gets crucified online>Valve has admitted for the past decade that when you buy a game off their store you don't legally own it, you're just buying a license>heralded as God's gift to the gaming worldThe internet is retarded.
>>748081425Because you can tell he gives a shit about gamers (to the extent that a billionaire with a yacht can) and his platform is more convenient + often has better deals than the competition. Only GOG really comes close to Steam in terms of getting the bang for your buck.
>>748086103You are retarded
>>748086040Skill issue.
>>748085969I don't know th details of TF2.Dota2 was very much alive Dark Carnival act 1 was a fun event.CS I haven't played lately but suffice to say that if the game really is im a bad spot Valve will update it ik the future. That's the ValveTM promise.
>>748081425Steam operates in China completely grey-market with zero oversight, and Nintendo just piggybacks on Tencent to dodge regulation. Compared to those two, Sony and MS are getting completely shafted by Chinese regulations
>>748086040It's invite-only but you can still get in, also you had like 2 years to click 'install'
>>748085875>niche businessyou got that right lmaocdpr would make more money selling 1.1 million discounted cyberpunk copies than what they sold gog forthat's how worthless it was to them
where the FUCK is my STEAM FRAME GABEN?I'm a Reserve List GOD and you're treating me like a waitlist DOG
>>748085798ArtifactUnderlords
>>748086143
>>748086228You're really starting to sound like some weird CD Projekt fanboy right now.
>>748085738Yes, they quantifiably didn't. It was EA with CoD. How young are you not to know that?
>>748085962Name a game that had it before Dota 2
>>748086154>Dota2 was very much alive>wasDid you grow a conscience?>if the game really is im a bad spot Valve will update it ik the futureTo make it worse.
>>748081425>drm is basically non-existent for games and DLCs yet they don't fight against piracy>let you buy game keys and gifts on grey market sites despite knowing full well what's going on when multiple random people add you and gift you a game>still does the "if you have items in a bundle it gets cheaper" even if you got those items via keys, so you get the cheapest as a key and the most expensive that doesn't have a cheap key directly on steam>>748086239fuck you give me the reservation I deserve damn itwhy are you even mad just wait a few business days it's not like you have to wait MONTHS like me
>>748086103do you really not know the difference between computers and consoles?
>>748084428>Wait for nonsense extra content>Possibly of 3rd party Luncher>Make another account if the game asks>Play the game after signing away your rightsOnce again, you're blaming Valve for what game publishers decide.Also, reminder that Valve recently bullied UbiSoft into pulling back their UPlay shit on Steam.
>>748086262Yea but those were killed immediately and it's not like they were paid products.
>>748086324Why are you fucking lying? Dota 2 had it before.Why are you defending a company that you know nothing about?
>>748086307nah, i just want to drill into you just how irrelevant gog iscurb your shilling
>>748086239Imagine being put on a waitlist just to get a shitty VR headset when VR as a platform is dead and has zero future.
>>748086328every mobile game
>>748086339Dark Carnival was like 2 months ago.So it was alive since 2 months ago.
>>748084671>standard SDL device that just werks regardless of Steam being opened or notGoyPass faggots need not apply.
>>748085450Valve betrayed the Artifact audience in the hot sticky summer of '21
>>748085672>>748085763>>748085798>>748086154>Community support is Valve supportNo anon, i pay for the severs. I pay for internet service bandwidth speeds. I pay for the storage. Not Valve and i am not allowed to profit off it either.See how deceptive you sound.
>>748086410Okay, thanks for amusing me with your bait skills buddy*kisses u on the lips and fondles ur cock through ur pants*
>>748086373Anon Artifact WAS a paid product, why are you shills like this.The shills are even trying to deny that Valve invented the battlepass with Dota 2. VaIvecultists are fucking insane.
>>748084150The lack of 3rd party games since the N64 has created a large cohort of tribalfags who hates anything that isn't a 1st party Nintendo game.
>>748086409The fucking etymology of the word itself originates from a system implemented and popularises for CoD.
>>748086031oh yeah, they have vocally announced their frustrations and not being able to compete with Valves sales in the pastget ready to see more anti Valve stuff even in steam season sale threadsthis is literally their only option I mean, besides MAKING FUCKING PLAYABLE GAMES AND NOT 30 FPS INTERACTIVE TECH DEMO SLOP
>>748086421>when VR as a platform is dead and has zero futureSummer 2026 has been a renaissance of VR conversion for "flatscreen" games.
>>748086409cod is older than dota 2...
>>748086539Which CoD game and what year? Pleas enlighten me.It's funny to see how the shills now try and change history.
>>748086350>Valve doesn’t have monopoly power, they let publishers do bad things to customers>Valve makes Ubisoft do things they didn’t ask. Valve makes developers sign NDA. Valve has historically removed games because of Chinese censorship.Well anon which one is it, why are you lying?
>>748086523Nintendo invented most of the evil practices that still work to this day
>>748081425Valve has done some shitty stuff and is ultimately a DRM service to sell you digital only licenses. However, they have also done multiple pro-consumer things. Steam Family Share is one of the best things put out for digital gaming ever and I don't believe the other big names have anything like it. Valve also allows you to refund games very easily even outside the scope of their 2 hours/2 weeks policy. They do a decent job at advertising smaller games to you. They provide a lot of services for devs, etc.Basically, with Steam it feels like give and take. It is not always equal, but you don't feel empty handed. With the other guys it feels like them taking as much as they can. This is not a defense of Steam and more like a condemnation of Sony who loves to randomly steal your movies, games, TV shows, etc.
>>748086747valve has power over their own storeshocking, i know
>>748086604Nigger you are arguing for 3 years of the term being use in ASSFAGGOTS versus it being popularised and normalised in use via Black Ops. No one gave two fucks what DOTA2was doing back when the shit happened. It wasn't until CoD adopted and normalised the practice that it became a real thing in the collective cultural consciousness. But by all means keep trying to claim it was Valve that was responsible for the term and idea being it.
>>748081874He was gay, Gabe Newell?
>>748086842Ooh so now the argument of "popularized" can be used?So when Valve popularized lootboxes and gambling in the west it doesn't count... but Valve totally did not invent battlepasses because CoD "popularized it" years later?You shills are so fucking deranged it's insane.
>>748086942>Reddit spacing
>>748081425He looks like Santa Claus. Also he kinda revitalized PC gaming, when the people pushing their separate entertainment boxes were very invested into having it die (even Microsoft in their retardation wanted to separate gaming from the PC to double-dip, despite most everyone running Windows). I know this is a shitpost thread, but I still remember the time where a lot of things I wanted to play were exclusive to some console, like getting Japanese or action games on PC was practically unthinkable. We had RTS and isometric RPGs. But eventually, thanks to Steam making PC gaming such a viable market, you suddenly had those kinda games coming to PC, first as shitty console ports, but these days we get practically everything and often with PC as the main platform. Also Steam works decently. Not like there are no flaws, but apparently that "okay" standard has yet to be outdone by the major gaming companies of the world, who in response to seeing the bar on the ground keep reaching for a shovel.
>>748086842There's also a huge difference between battlepass on a f2p game vs battlepass on a game you already paid in full for but they don't care about that
incredible PR team and he invested early on said pr teamsteam and valve are some of the worst things to happen to the game indsutry, far worse than EA or any of the other companiesblows my fujcking mind retards still "LE GABEN FOR TEH WIN" postlegitimately ruined multiplayer gaming by pioneering sbmm. although who cares it was a waste of time anywayevery single product theyve made in the last 20 years has underperformed massively except portal btw. they are money printered right now with children gambling but they are being sued by multiple jurisdictions for it.
>"no Valve didn't invent lootboxes because Fifa used to have them, ignore the fact nobody gave a single fuck about it!">"NOOO VALVE DIDN'T INVENT THE BATTLEPASS BECAUSE COD USED IT YEARS LATER!">"Ignore the fact that Dota 2 is one of the biggest PC games ever and the battlepass collected millions of dollars for them... but totally nobody cared"
>>748087010are GOGjeets this delusional..?
>>748086969>I have no real argument so I must resort to calling you a redditard instead. so back to /b/ and jack off to the gay porn there.
>>748087010i could get a bingo off your retarded post lmaobut to embarrass you quickly, how do you think we should prevent child gambling?
>>748086438>dogshit leftover carcass of a once good game gets free hats>everyone flinged shit around in the mud pit to celebrate
>>748087010>steam and valve are some of the worst things to happen to the game indsutry, far worse than EA or any of the other companiesReally niggaReallySteam never hit me with a "OOPS YOU INSTALLED YOUR GAME TOO MANY TIMES SO UR PROBABLY A FILTHY PIRATE, WE'RE BLOCKING YOUR LICENCE" like it could happen with physical DRM, and you want me to believe it was worse?
>>748087068Id verification, like consoles.
>>748087010>every single product theyve made in the last 20 years has underperformedso tf2. CSGO, CS2 and Dota are failures? fuck off with your reddit spacing mate. Downvooted.
>>748087068not my monkey, not my circus
Reminder if you support Valve you support Sweet Baby Inc and BLM.I refuse to use Steam because of this.
>>748086342Fear not waitlist peasant, there's a 15-20% chance you'll get bumped up to reserve due to people missing the window or dropping the order based off of stats from previous steam releases. You still have a small chance.
>>748087108thanks for stating that, i knew that you people are anti privacy kikes
>>748087034>"no Valve didn't invent lootboxes because Fifa used to have themWow. Are you finally learning? Don't forget all the eastern freemium MMO's that had gambling.>ignore the fact nobody gave a single fuck about it!Is this fucking bait? EA trying to put gambling in Fifa caused a huge stink.
>>748087136should have elaborated anything that was not cosmetics gambling related. they took dota and cs and turned them into brown children casinos. they are 100% focused on gambling in those. thanks for ruining 2 of my favorite childhood games le epic gabenz for the wins
>>748086995Pretty sure the core concept behind a battlepass didn't even originate with DOTA2. It was just the final instance of a popular IP to implement it. Regardless there is no interpretation in which Valve is responsible for it. Nor is the core concept itself bad and only the implementation of it being haggled over. Arguably the concept of a 'Season Pass' has done more damage to the industry even if there is some degree of cross over between the two.
>>748087183So you admit that Valve invented Battlepass then?
>>748087034>collect billions (multiple) of dollars from dota 2>proceed to ruin the game with complete cancer updates>specifically gathered the worst team on the planet available from ex-riot, tf2 and campo santo>refuse to walk any of the changes back>proudly flaunt the worst changes as "innovative"what did they mean by this?
>>748087010leave the multibillion dollar corporation alone!
>>748081425Because gave Newell doesn't outsource to India or any other shitty brown country also Gave didn't sold valve to the international Goblins
>>748086501Don't they routinely hold mapmaking/skin competitions that give you a chance to contribute and earn prizes.
>>748081425Niggers.
>>748086031you can also tell by the way they make arguments they dig up obscure facts, make a wide attack that can be applied to any company, or make loose arguments that might upset a few. They never engage when confrontedI almost feel bad for them
>>748086523Oh I didn't know that did they give refunds
>>748087249Don't forget that they lost like half the players, fucked up custom games every update so everyone stopped making maps and now the game is on life support with only Russians playing..I don't think there's a company more incompetent than Valve.
>>748087240Sure, if you will loudly admit that Valve didn't invent lootboxes or gambling.
>>748086747Bro, how retarded are you?Can't conceptualize that Valve can negotiate and bargain with publishers?Too stupid to appreciate when they're able to make wins that benefit you?Valve is a private company with one axiom:>make customers happy enough to spend moneyThat's it, that's literally all they care about. You spending money, and they know you'll spend more when you're happy. It's a win-win.
>>748081425Because Steam is a cult, Tim was right they shouldn't be charging 30%
Why are Valve-cucks and Anti-Valve cucks so retarded?Steam did a lot to PC gaming and Linux as a whole and it also took some stinky shits here and there as well. Stop sucking off billionaires. Why hire PR teams when cucks like you their job for them free of charge?Get steam and buy when shit goes on 90% sale.Get Epic launcher and claim their free games or whatever the fuck they're shillingFFS is it that hard? don't pick a side you faggots. Have you learnt nothing from politics?
>>748087356legitimately 0% chance this is an organic post
>>748087270This thread is an example that for a few pennies, you too, can hire third worlders to shit on your competition
>>748086974It should never be taken for granted how Steam managed to convince Japanese publishers to release on PC. 20 years ago most Japanese publishers saw PC as a platform for eroge and only used by pirates, now even Vanillaware are releasing Muramasa on PC.
>>748086239Have actually you payed? Gaven nuwell is not giving gibs too Zoom zooms
Average retail profit margin - 7%Steam profit margin - 40%Pcbros think this is good
>>748087448>DUDE WE GOT A SUPER BAD PC PORT OF 20 YEAR OLD PLAYSTATION GAME>PC IS SAVED!And you ignore the fact Japs still hate Steam because the loathe DRM, and barely any japs ever put anything on steam
>>74808736730% is the default in retail days.Cd costs got traded for digital rent costs.Think of how much server and HDD costs have risen since the trade wars, crypto, and AI.Surprised it hasn't hit Valve, granted they just rent akamai CDNs. But you'd think the CDNs would be affected and would charge Valve more money.
>>748087510you do know that the primary function of consoles is to enforce DRM, right?
>>748087510>barely any japs ever put anything on steamgood, keeps the chinks out of the west.
>>748087034do jeets not know what invent means
>>748087559Considering how Valve indian shills try to argue that Valve didn't invent the battlepass because cod did it years later, I guess so?
>Valve invented the 'Battlepass'!>Sure it was EA that complete shit up and exploited the concept but Valve invented it!Ok fine, but then you also can't claim Valve is responsible for any instance of gambling in the games since the didn't invent gambling.
>>748087510>japs loathe drmAre you crazy? They deepthroat corporate boot like its going out of style.
I thankful that we don't have to use that god awful games for windows bs anymore
>>748087367timmy does not have the right to give anyone financial advice
>>748087610>EA invented the 'lootboxes'!>Sure it was Valve that complete shit up and exploited the concept but EA invented it!
>>74808736730% is nothing compared to a global distribution network with lifetime support that costs nothing extra to release on. Anyone that cries about 30% cut whilst also ignoring what physical production and distribution and support costs entailed should be ignored.
>>748087598saaaar
>>748087696???valve is the one that didn't fuck it up by letting people trade the drops
>>748081425I DONT WANT TO WAIT ON A LIST YOU FUCKING FAT FUCK, I WANT IT NOW
>>748081425If I was rich I would also buy a big boat and live in it. We are kindred spirits.
>>748087510Pretty much every new Japanese game is day and date on PC, Square Enix got burned so bad by FF7 Rebirth's launch that they gave up on timed exclusivity. It says a lot that Vanillaware, who's president notoriously hated PC gaming has bent the knee. Also Consoles are literal closed system DRM boxes that are soon to be digital only.
>>748081425Because there is now "Steam+" premium subscription tier consumer RAPE that every other company actively pushes. Steam is the only service that hasn't succumb to enshittification over time. In fact it gets better. like a good service should.
>>748087406Yeah, you're right, sorry, Valve is evil.>>748087494If it leads to the Steam Deck existing, it's good, yeah.>t. bought OLED for $399, shit's cash
>>748082320Shut up Sony.
>>748087757You can't reason with these faggots, dude.The city I live in just installed some public calisthenics equipment, lovely shit for getting in shape. Morons of the above type would complain that children can hang themselves off the pullup bar or something.
>>748087510>JAPS HATE STEAM!!!Then why did they start making better PC ports and putting them on steam?>JAPS HATE DRM!!!I find it quite doubtful considering they proved on several ocasions that they don't get the idea of "owning" a game and corporations are their religion.
>>748087554They really think optional DRM is worse than required DRM
>>748081425Wtf are you talking about they get shit constantly for their shitty game approval habits and extremely jewy lootboxes
>>748087979>Then why did they start making better PC ports and putting them on steam?They didn't, capcom is going to stop doing so because nobody bought the games and nobody cares.
What would steam look like today if EA bought it?
>>748088017Yeah but only shills like us shittalk Valve so it doesn't count
>>748081425
>>748088041source?
>>748088113NOOOOOOO WHY WOULD YOU POST THISTHEY INVETED LOOT BOXES THEY ARE EVIL
>>748088113>Event and sale made by Ubisoft>this is somehow Valve's doing?????
>>748088041>capcom is going to stop doing so because nobody bought the games and nobody cares.holy tendie retardationhttps://finance.yahoo.com/news/capcom-makes-majority-sales-pc-000446258.html?guccounter=1
>>748088223>valve invented discounting games nobody buys>they are such wholesome chungus good guy gregs!>steam sale for teh mother effing win!
Do not argue with cultists, let them learn everything the hard way.
>>748088281>>748088041Strange, tendies also claimed that Hollow Knight: silksong sold the best on Switch, but never provided proof for it. The game sold almost 10 million copies, and yet consoles could only maybe muster half a million at most.
>>748087510>Japs (...) loathe DRMThe fuck are you smoking? Japs are giga corpo bootlickers that even the biggest westoid shills have nothing on. Japs don't understand ownership even when it comes to physical media and have some bizarre idea of authorship/IP that if the company told them to destroy all their copies they would and would reeeeee about how not doing so is illegal and defying the natural rights of the author or some shit.
>>748088381>that even the biggest westoid shills have nothing onThis thread proves otherwise. Japs REALLY hate scummy shit like Valve is doing about how you don't own games.
>>748088450>Japs REALLY hate scummy shit like Valve is doing about how you don't own games.Is that why 5 million japs lined up to buy Pokemon Fire Red and Leaf Green on Nintendo's eshop, within the first week?
>>748088274show me the ubisoft made 90% discount sale on any other platform. dont worry, i'll wait.
>if you stand your ground instead of just nodding and headpatting me, you're a cultist
>>748088518You own your games on the eshop, retard
>>748087880Nobody owns Steam Deck, 4 million sales at most
>>748088762PFFFFFFFFFFT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAOOOOH MY GOD
>>748088450your ownership, sire
>>748088612It literally says right on the pic you posted it's a third party event
>>748088762You explicitly do not own games purchased on the eshop, you bought a license and unlike PCs the console is locked down so unless you have a jailbroken Switch 1 you absolutely do not own the game.
>>748089069show me the ubisoft made 90% discount sale on any other platform. dont worry, i'll wait!
>>748087338>halfI think it's like 75~80% in China and NA.
>>748089258They aren't allowed to because of Valve rules, as you can't make bigger sales on other platforms. You can thank valve for that.And what does that even have to do with anything?
>>748089440Concession accepted!
>>748089440>they aren't allowed to tie their salesman, imagine being so deranged that you get into arguments you can't win just to side against valve
>>748089571thank you for having this many chromosomes
>>748081425lots of assumptions in your post OPsorry but I don't feel like playing your retarded game
>>748088810Literally everybody who ever wanted one has one.Sold 100% btw. Also, four milly is amazing for enthusiast hardware and started an entire new market.The new price announcement may as well be announcing it was discontinued.>>748089440They wouldn't anyway, we've seen this with EGS exclusives, all sold at standard AAA prices except Alan Woke 2 which is published by Epic directly, so its price is a moot point.
>>748089440Then make the sales equal.
>>748081425He invented gaming
>>748089673>why cant i gangrape steam with my globohomo team waah waah
Because valvetards are cultists.
Gameben
>>748089440Never heard of this, and even if true, you can do EQUAL sales, retard!
Time to become an epicchad instead
>>748081425Valve's just as evil as sony
>>748082825can i refund nintendo or sony games?
>>748090382>buying something means the customer should get a benefit>unboxing, even if digital, should feel good for the customer>money earned through optional transactions will feed into prize pools to facilitate and maintain the competitive sceneWhich part of this makes Gabe the devil again?
>>748090382Nvidia is a cult. Valve offers the best service and the best prices.
>>748090684Gaben never removed a game from anybody's account, so what you're talking about is not possible.
