>>748125803
Or
>final boss is pathetically weak, being propped up by his lackeys

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>Final boss is a natural culmination of all the challenges you've faced thus far, and incorporates elements from every aspect of the game's combat system in one multi phase battle

i never liked bosses. i'm more of a horde guy.

>>748125803
>>748126049
>boss is a wrinkled old unassuming man that's actually super strong and fast despite clear evidence of the contrary
lame trope. japs really can't innovate past their dumb 70s shonen

>>748125803
>>748126049
Isshin ripoff to cap off a Sekiro ripoff.

you can tell >>748126049 was an original unique inspired character from a game with its own gameplay, and >>748125803 was a developer whose entire game is heavily borrowing from the former. Like look at that difference in character design and colors. Its unreal how the original is almost always better

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>>748126086
“As a real man, I find no feeling of achievement in beating up millions of defenseless enemies. As for my opinion as a gamer, my free time is too valuable to spend it hacking away at an endless stream of dumb-as-a-brick opponents."

>>748126275
Yoshitsune is at least entertaining and his motivations are clear. Sekiro final boss is just kinda there

>>748125803
Yes

>>748126165
>despite clear evidence of the contrary
The game establishes he's the nearly sole reason other clans haven't made their moves on the Ashina yet. The guy was never described as anything else but a beast.
Stop being retarded

>>748126341
RIP

I expected Yoshitsune to be harder.
Isshin took me way longer to beat

>>748126357
>Sekiro final boss is just kinda there
did you even play the game or did you just fail to find isshin

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>>748125803
It's kino

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>>748125803
this dude was absolute kino and fun as fuck to fight, I hope he's harder on carnage mode

>>748126049
>The best 3d boss is an old man
>>748126993
>The best 2d boss is an old woman
Subtle boomer propaganda

>>748126049
This guy is crazy overrated, the Owl fight was cooler than this

>>748126341
Why couldn't he design a decent boss?

>>748126165
The entire point of of the main villains plan in semiro is bringing back the guy in his prime

>>748126165
It's a Chinese trope actually

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>>748125803
What's the deal with Capcom making heroic historical character evil and dick characters good?

>>748127641
Fair, but the thread was about final bosses. Inner Owl still kicks my ass.

>>748125803
yeaaaaaah i gave him a few shots, got to phase two, saw how little damage his health was taking and decided that was it for me. just not worth sitting through minutes of le crazy man cutscene attacks to learn the bing bing wahoo timing for 3+ phases.

>>748128323
If you're good at the game you don't see the long animations
Hope this helps

>>748128323
literal journalists and thot streamers have finished the game on stream, this is literally a git gud situation because the game isn't even as hard as your average souls game

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>>748126165
It's based when you consider he's being kept alive by nothing but sheer bloodlust and alcohol.

>>748129985
>because the game isn't even as hard as your average souls game
Souls bosses aren't hard, they're either too easy or complete bullshit with no middle ground. Elden Ring had some of the worst bosses I've ever had the displeasure of fighting, because the player's kit just isn't suited for their low cooldown attack spam and tracking. They're sekiro bosses without a stamina gauge, just complete garbage that don't feel fun to fight.

>>748130850
You just don't know how to play

>>748130882
I beat the game and DLC with multiple characters despite apparently not knowing how to play, so clearly the game is even worse than I'm describing. Elden Ring has great spectacle, but the bosses are just a total chore. It's the opposite with Onimusha, because Musashi is properly geared to face the bosses, there's no clash in design.

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>>748126049
Fromslop bosses just doesn't have the aura. They're all non character cardboards with a bunch of texts telling you about their personality.
Even tokichiro, fortinbras, or nobunaga from the older games had more personality than that guy.

>>748131125
onimusha fixed the one thing fromsoft games always lacked in for me, it actually had cool characters and a decent story, musashi and this guy were fucking kino and it just added to the whole experience.

>>748131096
An ape can beat Elden Ring, doesn't mean it knows how to play it.
If you think ER doesn't give players the "kit" to deal with any boss or enemy you clearly do not know how to play, no other FROM game has the sheer amount of options and mechanics that ER has access to, problem is most people are retards like you who can't build characters and don't understand what they can do with them and all the game mechanics, also because admittedly, the game is built like oldschool games that respected the players' intelligence and believed that they could figure out the game on their own without a tutorial for every single thing.

>>748126049
Owl (Father) is worse.

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>>748125803
Nah

>>748126049
https://youtu.be/5eDfQnERvDI

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>>748131283
That entire sequence starting from the point of no return made me so fucking angry at the guy I was absolutely fuming watching him dance.
First time I've ever been angry at a boss because of story reasons. Absolute ludoKINO.

>>748131330
You drank the "prepare to die" marketing kool-aid like all the other fromslop slurpers and refuse to admit when the games are unnecessarily difficult due to design clashes because of the asspull excuse that the devs are "respecting" your intelligence. What an absolute joke of a person, you're less sentient than the average paid shill from mumbai reading from a script, because your script is just "git gud"

>>748131636
I did like that they didn't feel the need to make an empathetic villain or someone who you end up thinking is cool in some way. You just fucking hate Yoshitsune by the time you fight him

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>>748131749
Same thing with Blackburn from Killer7. Absolute human scum but damn is he a badass. Dresses like one too.

>>748131636
seeing him dance on my corpse when I lost to him the first time made me lock the fuck in, was satisfying as fuck when I figured out his moves and then was easily fucking him up in the first phase

>>748131710
Not really, FROM games have always been easy, which is also why people like you who don't know how to play them exist to this day and complain about them.
If they actually forced you to understand the mechanics things would be different, but you could always coast in baby mode, ER still has its baby modes but has actual mechanical depth that allows any properly made build to work well provided the player knows what they're doing, you're not one of those people, you're the classic retard who thinks the only answer to boss' attacks is rolling out of the way instead of avoiding them by manipulating your hitboxes, using the many possible HA functions to trade or abusing the multiple defensive spells and support functions the game gives you, or even simply using your fucking shield.
Then you get angry because people point out you're retarded and lash at those like me who know how to play believing we think FROM games were ever hard.
You're just on the lower end of the bell curve and that's fine, there's other FROM games like BB or Sekiro for you where you can just blindly R1 all day without a care, or L1 if it's Sekiro.

>>748128323
>>748125803
In the time it took me to read these post to now I both got to the castle and beat the final boss. He's not that hard just don't try and deflect when your stamina is low.

>>748131749
>someone who you end up thinking is cool in some way
....

>>748125803
Is that how he looks in real life?

Nude okuni when?

Each boss should have a game mechanic you need to master in order to beat them
The final boss should be the combination of all of those mechanics

So by the time you get to it you should have all the skills required to do it

>>748126165
>Beware the old man in a profession where men usually die young

I'm sorry you hate kino.

Is this game going on sale in October or should I just go on Greenman ?

>>748132280
>FROM game have always been easy
you keep harping on difficulty when that's not the crux of the argument. The phrase "git good" shot through your eyes and rattled inside your head until all that was left was useless mush. You are completely, irrevocably, brain broken by the forced elitism you think passes as a fandom. Get fucked, dude, I couldn't give less of a fuck who you are or what you claim is easy, no one with any self respect would. FROM bosses are easy when you use all the tools available, namely summons so you don't even have to engage with them, that's not even in dispute. The point I'm making is that bosses in From games, but particularly in Elden Ring are complete SHIT precisely because their movesets, damage values, and aggression aren't tuned to any particular build or set of tools, they're just big spazzing damage sponges or simplistic pattern shitters with no competent middleground. Sekiro is one of the few exceptions because it's not a Souls game, it's a single player action game and the bosses were designed around Wolf and what Wolf can do.

>>748133665
Probably not. The earliest is probably the Christmas sale. You can wait for that if you want.
Personally I think it's worth the full price.

>>748133665
The game is almost definitely going to get DLC, and I think it'll introduce a dual wielding moveset + more sub-weapons for Musashi. Just wait for the discounted bundle at this point, it's not like there's any shortage of games to play right now.

>>748133921
>dual wielding moveset + more sub-weapons for musashi
Bro this is not going to happen in a DLC. The game is just not designed for it.
Maybe on a sequel.

>>748126993
I played this recently when it was free for piss5. I must have fought her more times than every other boss combined and then some. Felt so good knowing I had won and ending her with 5 charge full control talisman.

>>748126165
.t didn't play the game

>>748134017
The core gameplay would still revolve around parrying/deflecting, all dual wielding would change is Musashi's light, heavy, and charge attacks to give him something a bit more wide reaching to hit multiple enemies.

in a just world this game would be GOTY over GTA slop that is tailor made for the nigger cattle that infested the hobby, but of course barely anyone talks about it, there's more threads about the UE5 witcher clone slop than this game which tells you why the industry is fucking dead

>>748129918
>>748129985
>>748132892
yeah, yeah, yeah. thanks for the input. i am fully aware i *can* beat him it's just not worth the time and effort.

the game was very kino action with an even, rewarding combat. This fight simply isn't that.

>>748134496
>This fight simply isn't that.
false, once you get the hang of it and learn his moves it's an extremely rewarding fight, you can beat him in the first phase without losing any health, then for phase 2 and 3 you just have to make sure you don't run out of stamina, deflect is your friend, the only move that might give you trouble is his grab which has a tricky animation in his oni form

>>748134496
>i am fully aware i *can* beat him it's just not worth the time and effort.
It is worth the effort, you're just easily discouraged. Once you get the patterns down the first two phases are a total joke, you'll breeze through them with minimal damage and start the third phase with Oni mode ready to fire. The third phase doesn't really have any knew tricks, well, one, but you can just block through it if you wanna be safe. Two Oni modes and he's dead. It felt so incredibly rewarding when I beat him on my 14th try.

>>748134496
Someone gave me the tip that the big pink sword slashes that don't twinkle aren't actually unblockables, they're ranged attacks, so you can reflex dodge them. This was the key I needed to finally beat him, because trying to block them fucked me up. Honestly Benkey 2 gave me more trouble, because he actually spammed consecutive unblockables that you had to perfectly block.

>>748134656
>once you sit and learn 3 phases of move sets
thats the thing hombre
im not going to do that
this isn't fun

>>748128323
This game is most fair game I've played, at no point did I think a boss was bullshit or unfair. I knew at all times if I was dying it was a skill issue

>>748134496
No you cant

>>748134863
It's 2 at best and much of the same shit is carried over from the first.
Good bait though

>>748134453
still sold pretty well and probably costed a hundred times less to make than GTAslop, capcom still wonned biggly

>play 99% of a game
>yeaaaah I don't think this game is for me

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>>748125803
Yes, but only in one of the endings

>>748134859
If you're close up on him when he does those slashes they can be parried and deflected.
Getting the distance right is tough though

>>748126341
people parrot this but refuse to play fighting games

>>748134496
how dare you not enjoy a tedious game

>>748135261
Too obvious anon

>>748135025
that's not what i said at all. it's a great action game. it was consistently enjoyable. Musashi (jap va) is definitely the character of the year. Shame they stumbled the landing though.

i am just an adult who rather more onto something more enjoyable than memorize bing bing wahoo patterns to get the inevitable animu "you did it the good guys won with the power of friendship" ending and the dopamine rush of an achievement popup. nobody cares. i don't care. you'll mature one day.

cheers

>>748135314
you're arguing with children, just drop the game and move on

>>748135314
Honestly I just don't have time for games if they cockblock the ending like this I just go and pull it up on youtube nowadays

>>748126341
this wasn't really about bosses though, he wanted to make smart hordes who can actually kill you instead of fodders who doesn't fight back.

>>748135398
well i stuck with it because it played like those classic action games but then it started to devolve into more and more soulslop until it was unrecognizable at the final boss. hopefully they learn their lesson when they see the % drop off.

>>748135459
True that when are these japs gonna understand the average white man just hasn't got the time in the day to memorize all this crap only way they learn is from losing money

>I don't have the time to play the games I buy but I do have the time to tell people on an image board about how much time I don't have.

>>748135314
you just lack any drive or patience, the boss isn't even that hard you've just decided you can't beat him without even actually trying, kind of a sad mindset really

>>748135415
His boss fights all suck too

>>748135835
yea, some of them memorable for the wrong reasons fuck alma

>>748135554
>doesn't have time
The capacity, you mean. The japanese schoolchildren can all memorize this instantly.

>>748125803
I acknowledge that yoshi is probably the harder fight but ganryu 3 gives me a harder time, both on my normal run and carnage. With yoshi I ended up memorizing the fight so well I stopped taking healing and started using the purple hozuki pouch just to put him down faster since his hp is so absurd on carnage

>>748126049
>....and is also piss easy
no idea who your talking about specifically, but it's always like that. the game developers pat themselves on the back for making a piss easy boss. even though critics rave about how it does everything you just listed. infuriating.

>>748135554
Casual mode is for you, my guy. It's actually less shameful to beat Yoshitsune on journalist mode than just watching the ending on youtube.

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>>748126049
>Final boss is a natural culmination of all the challenges you've faced thus far, and incorporates elements from every aspect of the game's combat system in one multi phase battle
It's the perfect setup for a final boss

>>748126049
Both Father Owl and Demon are more annoying so yeah he is a good boss. Honestly I fucking hate Sekiro but he is like one of three bosses I had fun against

>>748126993
i 100% on gamepass i need to 100% this bitch again on steam

>>748126993
I just hear how hard this fight is so I refuse to buy the game

>>748136405
>>748136108
I'm being sarcastic man this game was a joy to play after months of garbage I'd seen release I just merely wanted to mock the other retard

>>748126165
Hey, man. Just say you're gay and move on.

>>748125803
i never did get whats he aiming for
i guess he wants to be a human-genma hybrid but even then it still makes no sense
even dokyo is a better villain

>>748136736
He wants to get out of hell anon and fuck shit up in heaven.
It's pretty obvious

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>>748131636
I fucking love how absolutely vile they made him. In a game where Dokyo cuts the achilles tendons off of a dancer, she looks almost nice compared to this piece of shit.

Also, props to my boy Takamura smacking Ganryu's ass with no gauntlet.

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>>748125803
Yes. Cinema. But /v/ has fallen.

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>>748125803
It's how all games should be.

>>748126165
fippy wippy

probably the first time I've ever seen yoshitsune depicted as an older fellow.

yoSHITsune really was a cringe generic y so serious villain. don't blame anon for bailing at the fight. his entire presence lessened the game.

>>748136560
She's only "hard" because you don't need to use all your abilities on other bosses, so people don't use them also fuck her attack hitboxes

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>if you're good you can fuck bosses up and practically skip to second phase.
>If you're bad bosses will feed off you and skip to second phase early

>>748137201
Very brave feature imo, to have it that when you're losing it gets even harder.

>>748131749
Yeah, very few times you get
>Why is he evil? Because he is just completely fucked in the head

>>748125803
The game is SO MUCH BETTER if you only do the secondaries you need to get the skills you want
I actually was not killing the bosses in like 2 minutes and dying a couple of times to some

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>>748126086
Over time, I have come to DETEST boss phases. The first phase may as well not exist, it's always worthless padded garbage.

>>748137060
Difficulty alone is not fun for me so if that is the only real selling point i will never play said game

>>748137249
I used a meme picture but I fucking love it actually. Wish it was more of a back and forth though and you could knock them out of their powers up state.

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>>748137475
i wonder if you can shoot that eye on his back

>>748137382
why would you think that is the only selling point of the game?

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>>748137382
Fun to master combat system is it's selling point, not the difficulty.

>>748137609
Because difficulty is the only thing anyone talks about

I also hate parry slop. I do not mind parrying but I hate games where that is the only thing that matters

>>748137830
This game has 3 defensive options

>>748137830
Ok and

>>748126165
They should at least play into the fact they're old and have them start getting winded and stagger as the battle drags on more often, to inform they're no longer in their prime yet still giving you a run for their money.

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>>748127119
That scene made me think he was either Dokyo the whole time or brainwashed by her from the start considering she admits to having done experiments on him so he could maintain his Oni power without a true gauntlet. Considering she said she still had plans and is still alive. Why else would he pull her moonface expression out of nowhere?

>>748137830
Probably shouldn't bother playing this game then

>>748125803
Well yeah, it's meant to be the final obstacle.

My biggest gripe with this game was how:
>Seal my rifts Musashi
>recycled bosses everywhere to pad

aside of that when you fought actual new bosses it felt good. They just need to solve the loop with less recycling.

>>748137772
people talk about the great writing all the time

>>748137976
I dunno about being brainwashed by Dokyo since Yoshitsune makes it clear several times that he will kill her eventually.

>>748135314
How about you maturely admit that you just can't hack it anymore? Stop blaming games for being better than you, and stop pretending that turning away from challenge in one of the few hobbies where it's the fucking point makes you look mature or intelligent. Find a new hobby, this shit clearly isn't for you anymore.

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>>748128042
I like that Japs enjoy fucking around with their own mythology and history. It's cool. You don't see that in other cultures much. It would be like Microsoft making an action game about how Lincoln was actually a space alien bent on world domination and you play as JWB.

I want to have sex with dokyo

>>748137475
>no plot relevance whatsoever, just a miniboss
>still cooler than most bosses
I like him insulting the player for not fighting better.

>>748128042
Japs seems to have comfortable handle on what is and isn't fantasy.
Which is ironic imo considering just how deep they get into fandom.

>>748138093
Do you not remember that one movie where Lincoln was a vampire hunter anon?
The west fucks with its own history all the time

>>748126341
There should be a reverse musou game where you play as one of the zako and the objective is to survive the campaign.

>>748138093
did you miss abraham lincoln: vampire slayer or something?

>>748138095
same. her shuddering and whimpering when yoshitsune ran his hand along her BIG OL NECK made my pp jump.

>>748138147
US used to do that more often but it's gotten scarcer as the 21st century drags on.

>>748135835
>10% of games is fighting bosses
>90% fighting horde enemies
>perfects the 90%
>every single enemy encounter is difficult and requires skill to win
>b-b-b-but the bosses suck

Seriously realize how modern studios cant even comprehend how to make regular AI aggressive or make fights compelling and you'll see how far ahead of the curve the OG NG games were

>>748126086
What about bosses that summon hordes?

This is literally Dragon Age Inquisition with parry slop combat.
You're probably thinking, "okay that's a retarded comparison" but no. Go back. Play the gameplay loop of the first zone (which which repeats ofc). It's identical.

1. Upgrade at hub
2. Go fight wave of enemies and drain orb in sky
3. Go pickup generic MMO quests
4. Upgrade at hub
5. Main mission

SLOP

>>748138187
Just take the bosses out, or make them like Doko or Murai, those were decent enough. Take out the puzzle and gimmick shit too.

>>748138236
You're right, I do think that it is a retarded comparison.

>>748136289
Same. Ganryu 3 is a lot harder to read while Yoshitsune is normal.

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>>748136808
I wanted Musashi to give Yoshitsune more sass about being such a bitch coward he had to fool Takamura to beat him after all that "way of the sword, strength" bullshit Yoshitsune fed Musashi at the beginning of the game. But the piss comment was pretty good.

>>748137440
That would have been cool.

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>>748132058
When I was a kid, Curtis Blackburn was a sick villain who only existed in fiction.
After seeing (((who))) runs the show, scum like Blackburn are actually real...

>>748138289
yeah because it was just bullshit. Yoshitsune was lying through his teeth and just wanted to set Musashi on the path to collect genma souls for Yoshitsune to later steal.

>>748138264
I cant really complain about the bosses when 90% of the game is wall to wall absolute combo kino.

The puzzle and gimmicks I actually like about NGB and NG2 because they show off what is- to this day- the best animated ninja movement ever put into video game. Honestly no game has mastered how great wallrunning LOOKS and FEELS like NG. Even NG4's platforming, with 20 years of videogame tech advancements, plays like a flaccid dick compared to the OG NGs.

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>>748138050
What makes you think he actually could? Seems like she was just stringing him along given how nonchalant she was about everything, including his threats. She's not Genma, not human (any longer) not Oni and not Yokai. A necromancer witch like Takiyasha is not something you can just beat with a peace of metal and cool moves.

Dragon Age: Onimusha

>>748138510
You're talking about something different here.
If he was under Dokyos thrall why would he be antagonistic to her? Even if he couldn't actually do anything meaningful as you suggest it would impede her plans to have her chief pawn be overly willful.

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>>748138236
>1. Upgrade at hub
>2. Go fight wave of enemies and drain orb in sky
>3. Go pickup generic MMO quests
>4. Upgrade at hub
>5. Main mission
no, i don't have to

>>748138163
>>748138147
>Movie directed by a Russian, about a screenplay and book written by a Jew
You guys could have picked a better example.

>>748129918
>if you suck Capcom's dick, you'll love moviegame pedantry
>Hope this helps
It doesn't.

>>748136736
>i never did get whats he aiming for
He straight up tells you tho
> i am going to kill everyone everywhere, starting with Kyoto

>>748137878
4. Push back parry, regular parry, isshin and dodge

>>748125803
The only wall in the game pretty much, he was a great time.

>>748138605
Because it would be all part of her plan. Yosjitsune wants to destroy everything, including ascending to heaven to do it. That is perfectly in line with what Dokyo would want as well given the mythology about Takiyahsa going insane and being really REALLY salty. The best thralls are the ones who think that they have power. Those are the thralls who go out of their way to do shit, because you make them think they have agency when they actually don't. It's a classic vampire relationship.

>>748138427
The worst part is that the no one can stop them because (((they're))) protected by the full force of the law. Suda51 straight up redpilled everyone with this game.

>>748128234
Owl (Father) is one of the game's potential final bosses tho. And that fight was amazing, I'd say it's just slightly below Sword Saint.

>>748136808
>700 years fighting Genma purely for the fun of it(the fact it's also a good thing is a nice bonus)
>enjoys every moment of it until his death, and even then goes out laughing
This guy is so unvelievably cool i was surprised to find out he was actually just a poet and bureaucrat irl.

>>748125803
It's a cool fight at the start but I hated his second form. He just jumps around like a retard. I wanted something like a full unlimited Oni mode fight against another full Oni.

>>748131283
Musashi had two replies to everything in the game:
>what a pain in the ass
>I like fighting
It got old so damn fast.

>>748139002
dude was soloing a byakue, 2 dohatsu-ten and a bunch of mobs all at the same time

>>748139019
musashi spoke more with his face than his words. that iis why it's peak. normies like you got filtered.

>>748139019
You forgot
>Those guys were shit
And
>*Swats at butterfly* Fuck off Murasaki

>>748139019
>>748139195
Also that one sidequest where the reveal is genuinely so fucking lame he's about to fall asleep despite having two Genma right in front of him.

>>748139175
Willing to bet King Yama pulled a Lady Shizuka and is hiding in Takamura's gauntlet. Okuni is going to need someone to talk to if she gets some sort of DLC after all.

Musashi is so fucking cool in this game. Probably the best incarnation of him yet.
If they are going to replace Musashi in the future i want Iori to be the next MC. Loved this guy since Samurai Remnant

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>>748139320
I want Capcom to continue with Musashi as their Onimusha rep just to get more of his being tired and surrounded by retards. It's endearing to see a strong Japanese protagonist disgusted by shitty Japanese writing tropes.

>>748139435
>Iori
Oh right, Musashi had two adopted children, would be cool to see that come up in a sequel or another later game.

>>748139637
I can't tell if this is bait or just a total failure to read the game.

>>748139775
Probably a mix of both

>>748136736
He's just a psychopath pretty much. Puddle deep character but he sorta works by Capcom writing standards.

>>748139813
It's meta, anon. You wouldn't get it.

>>748136736
he's evil for the fun of it, i miss villains like that

>>748139909
As per his discussion with Dokyo, he was upset over the Oni betraying him for some nebulous reason. That's fine. When these games try to explain shit, that always makes it worse anyway.

>>748128042
Yoshitsune being corrupted/evil isn't that uncommon I think

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Do you trust capcom to remake Devil May Cry 1 after playing Onimusha?

>>748140605
Name 3 examples where Yoshitsune is genuinely evil and not brainwashed/corrupted.

>>748140707
They're way too lazy to make new entry about Dante and Verg in Hell or one that's just Nero, again. So yes.

>>748140707
The reused asset pipeline of a Devil May Cry 1 remake, directly into a Resident Evil 0 remake is an allure too strong for them to ignore.

>>748140707
even without onimusha, kamiya is now there to help with the job