30+ YEAR OLD DECREPIT GAMERS... WE WON BIGLY
>>748161118I don't think I ever felt like I was getting stronger when I leveled up in Rebirth. The RPG side of these games is an afterthought. If only they ditched the dogshite side quests as well.
>>748161118as a gamer dad of 10 who works 1000 hr weeks and 4 picoseconds per evening to play video games I can't wait to have a blast with this return to form.
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>>748161118Buy an ad
>>748161118>another optional feature people don't have to use but /v/ will lose their shit over
>>748161118ah yes the gambit of trying to appeal to everyone with 10 billion settings
>>748161842havent you learned anything already ?you have to gatekeep every chance you get
>>748161842since you can mod a game a enabled/disable any feature, technically every feature is "optional" therefore nobody can criticise any game for any reason, ever.
>>748161118Why have levels then?
>THE GAME IS PLAYING ITSELF JOHN
Hamaguchi really has to learn how to stop talking. It's like the extreme opposite of Nomura damn near saying nothing about KH4. There's gotta be a middle ground.
>>748162192Because the original had them they feel like they have to have them, even if they barely matter. The RPG part in thiese Action RPGs fucking sucks.I'd respect them more if they just made a straight up linear action game, since they're not willing to make the RPG side of things actually matter.
>>748161842>Gameplay being optional is a good thing actuallyYou're god damn right, it's why I'll watch it on youtube
>>748161842The temptation will always be there which makes the experience worse. It should’ve been exclusive to easy mode.
>>748161842This causes a game to lose its identity and personality. The only thing we'll all have in common while playing the game, ie the only experience we'll share, is the story. Games are simply being boiled down to story, with the gaming part seen as a nuisance by many, and the slope just continues to get slipperier. It's a valid criticism. Worth malding and seething over? Probably not, but valid.
>>748161268>I don't think I ever felt like I was getting stronger when I leveled up in Rebirth.That's because the game has like three other progression systems.>party level>weapon level>materia levelYour actual level is basically irrelevant. And now we're throwing in FITS unless everything is unlocked at the start.
>>748161842When people say shit like this incredibly low-quality opinion that makes life worse for everyone, I can't help but think about that time Axiom Verge 2 came out and allowed you to skip boss battles by walking through the exit door with no negative repercussions. Amusing that 0 people talk about that game despite it being a direct follow-up to a game that people were claiming was the greatest Metroidvania of it's time. But it'll never be discussed as you'll just pretend to not understand in order to make discourse impossible, since the next thing you'll say is>There were OTHER reasons that game was badbefore coming up with every excuse at how the design philosophy that resulted in skippable bosses was the culprit behind almost all of the poor decisions. Every single time.
>>748162391The rpg side never mattered. RPG just means padding and shitty gameplay, that's all it ever meant.
>>748162297There has been 10 trillion interviews about KH4. You just don't know about them because KH4 has been in development for 100 years while FF is getting made every year
>>748162552Don't you ever talk to me about what I know for Square Enix.
>>748161118That's retarded with how braindead easy the default difficulty already is, but the bright side is that it means they're balancing the story for people doing sides, which is good news.
>>748162664Yeah, 6 interviews is not "saying nothing"
Do you know why they call him Nomura?Because when people see what he drew they yell “NO MORE, AHHHHHHHHHH!”
Does this affect hard mode?
>>748161118Vincent has more main character energy than Cloud or Zach
>>748162482>The only thing we'll all have in common while playing the game, ie the only experience we'll share, is the storyThat's been a thing since youtube existed.
>>748161842>Enabling people is a good thing in 2026Humans are fucked
>>748161118He has little baby bone claws underneath his big metal claws?
>>748161118>rpgs catering to the dsp and journo audience so journos can put reviews out quicker when will they learn catering to the 0.5% won’t help their sales?
Yea because Rebirth forced you to engage with the side stuff, otherwise you'd be underleveled for everything.Which means Revelations is going to be padded to fuck as well.
>>748161842b-b-but!!
>>748162894These "accessibility options" had a different name back in the 90s and 2000s and they were called cheat codes/hacks. They had a negative stigma for a reason.The fact that they now come packed with the game as some sort of hugbox ad is really telling of how far we've fallen. You wouldn't just let someone who's last place in a board game suddenly jump next to first place just because you feel bad for them. If people lose the ability to build character, they WILL fail in life.
>>748161842Being optional doesn't mean it doesn't affect the design philosophy of the game for the worse. Since it will now take into account if all side content is optional and mostly pointless. Why bother putting effort into cool shit or meaningful lore in that content when people will just skip it.
>>748162890I meant for people who buy and play the game, but you're right of course
>>748161118these retards just do not get it, if their intended audience are this blown the fuck out they will just watch a lets play and not buy it at all. That is the most cost effective way to experience it "for the story"
>>748161118Awesome!
>>748162192>>748162391For the people who want to play the game. If people hate the side quests or think grinding is padding then they can watch the movie, I mean, play the main story and move on.
>>748162970Remake and Rebirth weren't RPGs either.
Why does everyone in Final Fantasy use some gay sword when there are characters that literally use automatic guns with infinite ammo?
>grinding>final fantasywhut
>>748162970You mean>catering to /v//v/ didn't give two fucks about the combat system or character building and only ever talked about either the main quest or picking flowers.
>>748161425Kek it do be like that
Personally I appreciate them saying "just watch it on youtube, you'll miss nothing"
>>748163182Optional side content has always been pointless.
>>748161118>[breathes through mouth while talking through nose]>"It's an accessibility issuuuue!"
>>748161118I'm human. I fuck. I make babies.I welcome this change. I will have a blast with this game. You incels can seethe elsewhere.
>>748161118At least they're admitting their side content is fucking garbage and nothing but pointless padding.
>>748161118>grindingI've yet to play an rpg where you won't get disgustingly OP by simply doing all the side quest in an area before moving on.Just don't play these games if you just want to speedrun the story.
>>748161118nice. i dont have time for worthless and mindless time wasting grinds.
>>748161118It's good IF the game is hard enough to warrant grinding. When an RPG has fun combat I like when I encounter a hard battle that makes me consider grinding a bit so I can get stronger. Grinding is fun.
>>748161118the side content in FF7 Rebirth is the worst part of the game anyway
I feel like Saros did this the best. You can have your easy mode but you also need to balance it with a hard mod.
>>748165113Thats cause you low iq
>>748161118But isnt this what /v/ wants? They don't care for the side content and just want to rush the game and move onto the next
Yea but will we have to grind materia? Isn't there a materia dupe system in the original? Like if i max out thunder, ice, and stone. I get a new materia thats stronger that i can also max
>>748164052Oh you are so close to getting itThe more of the game that consists of optional side content, the worse the game will be overall
>>748163339Because people in Final Fantasy are superhumans that can dodge bullets or deflect them with their bulletproof swords
>>748161268>I don't think I ever felt like I was getting stronger when I leveled up in Rebirth.then play hard mode
See what happens when you faggots bitch about side content so much? This is your fault.
>>748165713And yet half the games feature someone using a gun in the party.
>>748165280>thinks running Padley's errands is fun>calling anyone low iqjamboy
>>748161842>>748161118Putting together a dank party build and grinding to test it out and make necessary adjustments is literally a big part of the fun in rpgs. If you can just auto level then shit who cares about builds, you can just brute force everything.
You're expecting me to PLAY a VIDEOGAME!?!?NO!!Give me EVERYTHING at the START!I PAID (pirated) FOR THIS GAME ALREADY!I. DESERVE. IT. ALL. RIGHT. NOW!!!!!!!!!0/10
>>748165812perhaps they should make a good game instead of yet another setting to skip their shit ass game
>>748161118> dont want turn based> dont want levels> dont want the actual charactersRemake fans just dont want FF7 they want goon bait and badly written shipping with actors who cosplay and somewhat look like the cast of FF7 with a bit of DEI sprinkled on it
>>748161842The problem is that if you can just skip grinding you could argue you might as well just make yourself level 99 and breeze through the game with no challenge. I mean you WERE gonna waste time grinding anyway right? Where do you draw the line?
>>748165813It's like Star Wars. It only matters when the hero or a major villain is doing it.
>>748165812I liked all the minigames, yet the loud minority see achievements as something you HAVE to do and it ruins optional content
>>748165951>perhaps they should make a good gameThey did. You still bitched.
>>748165979Well that's not true.I'm okay with or without turn-based (if it's turn-based, I'd prefer more FF tactics-like honestly).I like levels, else it's not an RPG.7R has great characters, better than OG even.Hated FF16 and 15 though.
>>748166070So why are the listening to the people who bitched if 99% of the public loved it? Seems retarded to me.
>>748161842Next:>Why won't the game autospawn me at the boss?>Why won't the game autocomplete the map for me?>Why won't the game play itself for me?
>>748165812I mean, this is the player's fault. Literally anything that SE does when it comes to final fantasy generates negative repercussions in some way, regardless of whether it's something that the audience asked for. Or maybe it's their fault for listening to anything that this dumb fandom says, but then they would be criticized as well. They got rid of hard mode because these retarded completionists thought it was too much
>>748165297>>748165812>>748166070Hey you're that guy who gets made fun of in every 7R thread
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/final-fantasy-revelation-will-let-players-automatically-raise-their-characters-level-to-skip-grinding/>To address this, Hamaguchi says Revelation will ask players at specific points in the game a question along the lines of: “Do you want to automatically raise the level to the recommended level?”CAN'T WE PLEASE GET AN OPTION DISABLE THIS SHIT????
>>748165717You have to beat the game to unlock Hard mode. I'm not putting another 100 hours into that game.
>>748166196I refuse to criticize SE for putting shit content in these games. The blame is entirely on the player who should know not to play the side content. You will ALWAYS see me posting multiple times in these threads to make clear it's the players fault and not SEs.
>>748161842Always be mad about something anon don’t pay attention to the world getting shitter and shitter with Jews and their golems fucking you over
>>748166303>da joohsFuck off back to pol
>>748166278That's okay, several other anons ITT are expressing the exact same sentiment.
Past>This game is fun! I like playing it for hours! I'm getting better, finding more, and competing with my friends is great!2026>The very idea that I have to "earn" my rewards in this "game" is revolting. What developer in-their-fucking-minds believes I don't deserve everything, now?
>>748166274hard mode changes the entire way you play the game. Just play it
>>748166278replying with low level bait will only bump the thread. Don't come complaining about too many ff threads later retard, you're the reason these threads are so long
>>748166206take your meds
imagine complaining about "le bloat" but also complaining about being able to skip grinding.
>>748166232You can just pick "no" anonThat's the option
>>748161118i have arthritis in my fingers, i cant press the buttons like i used to, i really enjoy the new experiences first wolverine now ff7, so good
>>748166585>imagine complaining that a game has bad gameplay when you can just skip it!Hmm
>>748166274>You have to beat the game to unlock Hard mode.fair enough, but in hard mode it becomes apparent how underleveled you are. Zolom is your first reality check
>>748166274>You have to beat the game to unlock Hard mode. I'm not putting another 100 hours into that game.I'm actually (tentatively) glad they're not doing the Remake/Rebirth style of Hard Mode and instead doing mega challenges and post game stuff. Hopefully this also means an actual harder difficulty for the base playthrough.
>>748166232so basically if you will only see this if you do NOTHING other than the main story
>>748161118Good, I plan on skipping almost all sidecontent besides the ones about aerith and vincent. I'm not farming shit and just ezmoding so I see the story
>>748166278>>748161842>>748165280>>748165297>>748165812>>748166070>>748166196>>748166278>>748166585>>748166278Huh!
>>748166232>>CAN'T WE PLEASE GET AN OPTION DISABLE THIS SHIT????you wont see it if you reach the level it before advancing. you do EXPLORE a game where the whole schtick is saving the WORLD OF THE GAME, right anon?
Nobody plays Final Fantasy because they enjoy leveling up lmao. This is a good thing.
>>748161842Just like how it's optional to buy it.
>>748165813What I said doesn't make guns useless, it just makes them not automatically the best option every timeIt still takes sufficient training to achieve that feat, and even if you can do it, you can still be shot if you are caught off guard
>>748166070the game is shit, despite the massive astroturfing and using other games as ad platforms for this shit ass game it barely managed to sell 3m copies, it's absolute trash
>>748162032Gatekeeping has never worked althoughbeit
>>748161842Every game you've ever played now has a button to make you invincible, lets you level skip, increase your levels and stats, give you infinite money etc.Don't you see how you just ruined every game experience you ever had, because you removed all friction and challenge and reason to play the games?It is not "optional", it is a design choice that ultimately removes the reason to play the game in the first place.There is no cheat code to learning a skill in the real world, that's why people who commit, grow to appreciate things more than just surface level. A plebeian heathen like you can never know the beauty of single-mindedly focusing on something you're passionate about, and this includes video games. Cheat and skip all the gameplay you can, you'll always be a secondary.
The sidequests are bad. Can you make better sidequests?>"No, but since you don't like them, now you can skip them."I don't want to skip them, I just want it to be better and more interesting>"Too bad."
>>748166708>>748166839source?
>>748162473>he has no self controlFucking retards
>>748167327true, the sidequests are trash but the minigames are good (most of them)
>>748161118This stuff only came about because modern games, especially Rebirth are bloated as shit because zoomers cant fathom paying $70 for a game without 100+ hours of contentslop. I was happy Rebirth patch that added in all those speed up options because most of that game shouldnt even exist and its a total waste of time.
>>748161842>Just let the homosexuals get married, chud! Its not like we'll try to trans your children a decade laterWe've already fallen for this. Always gatekeep.
>>748167281Look, I'll be real with you. No matter what you criticize 7R for, I'll find an argument that proves you wrong. No matter what SE does with 7R, I'll find a way to defend it.You can take the time to explain the holes in my logic, but it doesn't matter. I have a job to do here and my own personal feelings or opinions don't come into it, so you're wasting your time. I'm surprised you haven't noticed me in 7R threads before.
>>748162032Final Fantasy has always been a piss-easy series for casuals.
>>748161118Dad gamers...we won...
>>748167747That certainly explains a lot of posts in this thread
>>748161118Yeah on easy mode, who cares. I remember MGS games coming with a very easy mode that not even a toddler would find entertaining.
FF7Remake>AAAAAIEEEEE THE MANDATORY SIDEQUESTS ARE RUINING THE PACE!FF7Rebirth>AAAAAIEEEE THE OPTIONAL SIDEQUESTS ARE RUINING THE PACE!
>>748167386they wouldnt ask you to level up if you hit the intended level
>its OK when Kojima does it
im just not gonna buy the game and im gonna pretend i played itwhat does SE think about that?
>>748168091People complain no matter what SE does with 7R. Thankfully people like you and me will praise and defend SE no matter what they do with 7R, so at least there's balance.
>>748161118In this case I'd say 30-40 year old decrepit gamers.40+ played the original and grinded their cocks to the bone.
>>748168436You don't have to grind in FF7 unless you're retarded.
>>748166675>Hopefully this also means an actual harder difficulty for the base playthrough.
LITERALLY SNOY MOVIE KUSOGE.
AIEE THEY HAVE TURN BASED MODE NOOO
>Skip grindingI cant remember the last relatively mainstream JRPG that remotely required grinding
>>748161118Cool, I miss cheat menus.
>>748161118this guy looks so cool, but why wasnt he ever really popular?
>Slot All materia>Put a shoe on the controller to press X infinity timesThat’s how I became a gorillionaire
>>748163339How is a super soldier, Cloud, going to use his super strength to launch bullets at you harder?In Final Fantasy 7, Shinra R&D literally tries to pit machine gun-wielding troopers and mechs against SOLDIERs and they lose everytime.The entire point is that giving a super soldier a massive sword is more effective in this universe than any tank or gun they can design.They would gladly stop having to rely on psychotic mako poisoned super soldiers if they could, but they can't figure out how to top them so they keep a small few SOLDIERs ready to go.
Makes sense given the remakes' target audience. Cattle are gonna cattle anyway
>>748161118This is more or less just backdooring optional level scaling. JRPG difficulty is almost always inherently self-regulated so this seems fine.
>>748167281>Every game you've ever played now has a button to make you invincible, lets you level skip, increase your levels and stats, give you infinite money etc.what a retarded strawman getting a level boost is not the same as being invincible you retard
In rebirth between doing the main stuff, some card game shit until I got bored, and finding summon shrines because that's the only way to fully unlock a summon, I was fully leveled up even for dynamic difficulty.I also had plenty of gil to spend on the final 15 phase fight because the game dumped hundreds of crafting items on you.
>>748167738>pol schizo babbleEvery time
>level considered necessary to access the story>not just designing the fights to be won with strategy rather than grindingThis is a VERY bad sign (I refuse to buy the trilogy anyway but from a JRPG design perspective this is bad).
>>748169660>>not just designing the fights to be won with strategy rather than grindingthey are, actually. Level is probably the most irrelevant thing in remake. Materia planning, armor, weapons, skills, party member setup and actually executing actions is far more important.
>>748169660Nobody who would use an option like this wants to use strategy
>JUST WANT THE MAIN STORY
>>748161118Bummer, now i have to look for reasons to actually explain why the sidecontent is bad rather than just say "i'm forced to do it".
>>748170176No matter what you think of we will immediately invalidate your criticism. So bring it on.
>>748170176Kill yourself
>>748169138When stats give you power to overcome fights that you would've otherwise struggled with, it absolutely can make you "invincible"If I am lvl 100 in a lvl 15 area, everthing I touch dies, meaning I am invincible.
>>748169118this
>>748170518>it absolutely can make you "invincible"NTA but no it can't. You're not invincible. I think this new feature is dumb but it's not the same as being invincible. FFXV did that shit by giving you invincible armor at the start of the game in a later update.
>>748170518the levels you get are for recommended, not free levels till 99 or something
>>748166675>I'm actually (tentatively) glad they're not doing the Remake/Rebirth style of Hard Mode and instead doing mega challenges and post game stuff.i'm not sure how i feel about this. I mean, the post game stuff in rebirth is surprisingly good and it's pretty challenging, but i wish i could fight story bosses in an actual hard mode where i can't use items. I hope that they at least nerf items in this game or make them harder to craft
>>748170630>you are so strong that you virtually can't die, and if you take damage you'll heal it all back because the enemies can't dent you health enough>not invincibility
>>748170738So, what's the point of levels then? And why grind when you can just set your level to the "recommended"?
>>748171057>So, what's the point of levels then?it determines the basic growth of each character>And why grind when you can just set your level to the "recommended"?You dont just grind levels, you grind AP, you grind materials, you grind in other ways to get new materia, new weapons, accesories or armor.This isnt some shitty PS1 rpg like lunar where the levels is the only progression the game has
>>748161842The problem is it basically turns playing the game properly into nothing more than a self-imposed challenge. It's like doing a Nuzlocke in Pokemon. There's nothing to stop you from simply ignoring the fact your Pokemon died and just healing them and re-using them anyway, the challenge only exists because you are actively forcing yourself to partake in it and roleplay it.It's the same in this case. There's nothing to stop you just grabbing free levels at every opportunity by abusing the "skip to recommended level" feature every time its available. So, levelling properly by doing side-quests and grinding etc is now just a self-imposed roleplay challenge where you must actively pretend like the option for free levels simply doesn't exist.I wonder how far this push for "optional accessibility options" is going to go. Are we eventually going to have RPGs where you can just insta-revive your character after dying in battle, and people will justify it by saying "You don't HAVE to use the option. You can just manually restart the battle or load a save if you want to keep the challenge." ?
>>748171204While I agree with most of your points, I will not stand for Lunar slander. They were a great duo of games, and there was never a 3rd game and I will call you liar if you say there was.
>>748161118In the past games would at least call you a cheater for doing things like this.
>>748171580>I will not stand for Lunar slanderyeah well, i liked lunar 1 and 2. Specially 2.I will, however, not accept lunar 1 forced grinding sections.
>>748170968>you are so strong that you virtually can't die, and if you take damage you'll heal it all back because the enemies can't dent you health enoughThat's not what this feature does.
>>748171693Y'know what? That's fair.
sweet, hope there will be achievements for using this feature, because that is what a gamer with a life will do
>>748161118Unironically a good thing. The side content of Shitbirth was absolutely atrocious and to this day I wish I'd have just skipped it with cheat tables. My advice for Shitbirth is too just put that garbage on ready so you can just run through the story. Seems like the same will be true for Fagelation, so good thinking on SEs part ti just implement the cheats now.
Couldn't you just "level up" from pushing the story, then do the side stuff you passed earlier at a big level boost?Or is this simply a final dungeon thing?
>>748171445>The problem is it basically turns playing the game properly into nothing more than a self-imposed challengeEasy mode has been a thing these games since 7R part 1. Never seen this self-imposed challenge cope till now.
>>748161118I will give them the benefit of the doubt because remake and rebirth are pretty well balanced when it comes to grinding and progression. Those who come from remake/rebirth know that levels arent that important so this is a nothing burguer.However, i do wonder why is this a thing when easy is a thing. This is too much handholding for faggots. I guess this is a way to shut down sebbywebz and steam tards that complain the side content is forced?
>>748165514>Like if i max out thunder, ice, and stone. I get a new materia thats stronger that i can also max>that's strongerNo. You just get another materia that's actually weaker, because it starts at level 1.
That's a cool feature for dad gamers out there.As a dad, I no longer have as much time for video games as I used toHave I mentioned that I'm a dad?
So whats stopping you from just going max level and oneshotting everything?
>>748172598its not free levels, it is updating your levels to the recommended one for the place you are gonna be in, cutting grinding but also not giving you AP or gil
>>748162482While I prefer a good story in RPGs over the gameplay I agree that the medium is "video game" which means there needs to be an interactive component. But the problem is these games are very linear, all JRPGs are. There is no challenge, there is nothing you gain by grinding, you don't increase your skill at opening your menus and clicking on magic>fira after a certain point. Which means the gameplay is just a meaningless time sink that has no impact on how the story flows, it merely checks to see if you're awake and have nothing better going on in your life as a time gate to the linear story moving forward.The solution isn't to remove the grind necessarily, the solution is to improve how jrpgs are constructed so the interactive element means something but this is beyond even japanese devs apparently.
>>748172674>run past everything at low level>get to current leveldo modern demakefags really?
