Imagine if that happened Sega was an inch closer to make a total autistic holocaust
The Sonic ip dying right after forces wouldnt have been too dramatic since most people would have fine with it since the quality of the series was on the sewers but also sad and would have served as a primary example on how to fuck up a once highly popular mascot ip
>>748231253I feel like there's a half-truth in here somewhere, Sega is fucking dumb, but are they really so dumb as to can easily their most successful franchise they fully own? The fact Sonic's games sell despite being dogshit most of the time says something
>>748231253The story of Chris-chan would have taken a very different turn.
>>748231253It's dying despite the movies, when's the last time you saw Sonic Crossworld in any top selling game chart?
Name 1 good Sonic game.
Nothing about that is surprising at all.
>>748232204Sonic 2, Sonic Adventure 1, Sonic Spinball
>>748232204sonic eraser
I think Iizuka is just straight up fucking lying at this point and I'm not sure why. There was the story floating around about a month or two ago on how the Sonic IP was struggling around the 2010s and SEGA tasked him with saving the IP. Except his ass was the fucking lead producer during that period.I also highly doubt SEGA was ever considering axing the property. The games might have suck but they were still selling enough to justify their existence and performing better than most of their other IPs, not to mention all the licensing and merchandise deals. The movie absolutely gave the IP a shot in the arm, but it wasn't in such a dire situation to kill the IP. You only need to look at their investor reports from those years to know that's a fucking lie.There's no logic to this company. The games are performing better than they ever have but they refuse to put any real investments into their production quality and expect even greater results. Sonic Stupidstars sold 2 million copies in its launch window when it shouldn't have. It was a shit game launching inbetween Spider-Man 2 and Mario Wonder but it still sold numbers it shouldn't have. And these fuckers were still not satisfied. What the fuck are their targer numbers?
>>748232204...and other impossible riddles
>>748232204
>>748232204Sonic 1.
>>748232047they killed PSO2 which make them millions per year, they are that dumb
>>748232634from the thumbnail I thought she was really fat
>>748232714That and SoJ resenting Sonic for years.
>>748231818Sonic always have been dogshit tho.
>>748233283https://youtube.com/watch?v=vKYKnxbE7iIYou're wrong.
Seriously, how the fuck did this happen? Was Adventure 1-2 a mistake, since I feel that was a true departure from how the series was handled compared to Mario who stood the test of time. The classic Sonic games before it went 3D were just as light on story but featuring tight gameplay as the Mario games.
>>748231253it’s all been downhill since Sonic Underground was cancelled
>>748232204Sonic Mania
>>7482312533&K > 1 > 2SA2B > Heroes > 1DXFight me.
>>748232452I wouldn't be surprised if they were considering it. Like you said, Sega is bizarre. No one knows what their next move could be, besides releasing another Yakuza game.
>>748232204The one and only
>>748234272>Seriously, how the fuck did this happen? Was Adventure 1-2 a mistake, since I feel that was a true departure from how the series was handled compared to Mario who stood the test of time. The classic Sonic games before it went 3D were just as light on story but featuring tight gameplay as the Mario games.I've sort of felt that the Sonic Games selling point of cool and having an attitude being ambiguous probably helped since it allowed him to be interpreted in different ways by the mainstream audience, whether heroic, or anti-hero or a rebel. The same way Mario could be as the "everyman" has a wide appeal and Nintendo purposely keep elements of his personality subdued or general.But when Adventure 1 came out and Sonic's "coolness" had to be defined and voiced it became repellent to anyone who thought a surfer bro using outdated slang who's unambiguously a goodie goodie wasn't cool. Because Sonic was still a fairly new series with no nostalgia I think Adventure 1 transformed Sonic into a "kids franchise" and that narrowed the audience. Then they double downed on it with Sonic Heroes for some reason.
>>748235206JP or NA soundtrack?
>>748235206Based and same.>>748235430I prefer JP. US has soul but I wish that talent went to Spinball.
>>748235430Of course JP my nigga
I wonder what series would have to absorb all the concentrated autism the Sonic fanbase has if Sonic was discontinued? Most furry mascot games don't exist anymore.They'd obviously disperse like an autistic Pandoras box was opened but I wonder if they'd jump to racing games and you'd see NASCAR get Sonichu'd or something.Go, Daytona man, speed to the extreme!
>>748234636If it were anyone else I would give it some credit, but since its from Iizuka's mouth I don't buy shit he says. That's another fucking thing. It seems like the fandom just forgot or forgave him for being (and still is) a terrible producer. I remember his name use to bring disgust, but now everyone seems to describe him as a well meaning but unfortunate producer. Nothing bad is his fault, it's all out of his control. Did the old crusted fanbase get replaced by some new generation of apologetic fucks?
>>748235806Pokerman is just as autistic and is also furfag fandom.
>>748232047>I feel like there's a half-truth in here somewhere, Sega is fucking dumb, but are they really so dumb as to can easily their most successful franchise they fully own?You know and I know they would replace it with Persona.
>>748232047I guess they planned to either live off of Yakuza for all eternity, bring back other franchises, make more new franchises or some combination of the three while possibly trying to find a new mascot.
>>748234272Adventure 1 and 2 were made to sell consoles. They were premium games and SEGA put their best people on it.After that, they stopped giving a fuck and Sonic Team is mainly compromised of old farts hanging on to their salary positions and a rotating staff of interns that don't want to work on a Sonic game.Shadow Generations is the first time a Sonic game has had mostly an entirely new development team behind it and that turned out well. Sonic just needs some new fucking blood man.
So why the fuck are the IDW fans so full of themselves when they were literally considering closing the door on that comic mid production? lol
>>748236280I don't follow
>>748235206based, I'm glad the reputation for this game has only improved. CD will always be my favourite
>>748231253>total autistic holocaustAutists still would have ATLA and Tranime to obsess over
>>748236280They're battle hardened delusionals after decades of their previous incarnation being ignored.I think all the vile parts of the fandom can be linked back to the comics section of the fandom. They're a cancer that can't be cut off anymore.
>>748234272Sonic doesn't sell in Japan so they didn't give af what happened with Sonic which lead us to quality mismanagment and blunders like 06 and Boom
>>748236358The Sonic IDW comic started in 2018, before the movie was revealed to be a success. If they had ended the franchise due to the movie failing, that would mean ending the comic prematurely.
>>748235806Sonic essentially didn't exist for a whole gen if you don't count Sonic Jam. The fans just kept at it anyways.
>>748232204Sonic the HedgehogSonic the Hedgehog 2Sonic the Hedgehog 3Sonic the Hedgehog and KnucklesSonic CDSonic ManiaSonic ColorsSonic Generations: ShadowSonic FrontiersIf you don't accept at least some of these then you were never really asking.
>>748232204LIVE AND LEARNHANGIN ON THE EDGE OF TOMORROW
>>748234628Timmy, I think that black thing needs a reminder...
>>748237904God I forgot how perfect the first frame for this is
With this new info in mind, Sega seeing Crossworlds, Superstars and even Frontiers as not meeting expectations makes a lot more sense, as well as the new wave of crossover whoring and elementary school media like Prime and the upcoming show to ride off on the brand name. Meanwhile old fans have to settle with Flynn's writing lol (in the west at least)
>>748234486the last levels are gay as hell
lmao this is such bad PR
Damn. They really were like "Sonic Forces failed, we can't do better than that. Close up shop". Is it that hard to make a good sonic game
>>748238362No, they just don't care.
>>748238171I don't get it though... They aren't really creating any movie synergy outside of Sonic 3 releasing alongside with X Shadow Generations.Why would they expect the games to suddenly be just as popular as the movies?Also I hope they understand the movies might not do great forever. Remember when everyone thought the Michael Bat Transformer movies would go on forever?
>>748238362Yeah the timing is crazy, it implies they really thought Forces was it.
>>748238415That does not contradict his interpretation.
>>748234272SA fucked the franchise artistically. Prior to that SEGA was super liberal in letting localisers run wild with changing sonic's personality for the west and the 2D games had enough wiggle room for them to do that. Instead of keeping with that approach they went with a super serious story heavy approach that locked sonic into this weird pocket that only appealed to preteens and turbo autists, which are the two groups that kept sonic alive.It also didn't help that they never nailed down a great 3D playstyle and made a classic 3D platformer. 3D sonic came around too late and turned out too janky to build a solid foundation.IIRC some internal sega docs leaked that listed sonic as mascot instead of a franchise. Sonic games will consistently sell to children and autists regardless of quality so there's no incentive sink resources into upping the quality when cartoon character platformers are already a niche genre
>>748238620It could be done. But SoJ makes Sonic games out of obligation, not desire. Why try?
Do they realize how bad that sounds? I mean I'm sure it's true and their reasoning is sound, after three strikes from boom, lost worlds and forces. But you don't let people know that, holy shit. Makes it look like you have no faith in your own IP.
>>748231253>we were almost free FUCK. Goddammit, no! Let this piece of shit franchise die already. Not a single good game in over 30 goddamn years. Please, just kill it, Sega. Fucking retard Yakuza can't even kill things anymore, useless bastards.
>>748231253Do old-fashioned Sonic autists even exist anymore?
>>748237536Most of those are the same game with different themes.
>>748238708Namefag that's clearly already what Sonic Forces was. Sega not giving a shit. This news implies they couldn't see themselves putting any more effort into the games at the time, since they were about to give up.
>>748232204There are 0 good Sonic games. And honestly, it's a built in problem. A fast platformer just fundamentally does not work. It's why literally all the Sonic knockoffs suck too. This genre is inherently trash.
>>748238803Dream Team is great.
>>748238890Can't say I blame them.
>>748231253>sega wanted to cancel the one thing keeping them afloatbuuuuuull shiiiiiiiiiit
>>748238989The Japanese branch is just that spiteful.
>>748238989It is now, but 2019 was before Sonic merch had a big blow-up.
>>748238961Dream Team is fucking trash. Just admit that you want to fuck the sheep and be honest with yourself for once in your life.
>>748238989>Sonic the Hedgehog>keeping Sega afloatFuckin' loool, nigga! You legit cannot pay Japanese people to give a singular haypenny shit about that worthless blue rat.
>>748239215Its true. Sega got letters from Japanese kids asking who the hell he is.
>>748238751>Makes it look like you have no faith in your own IPFor the record this is far from the first time that Sega has shat all over its alleged golden child
>>748239063Rouge is a bat, anon.
>>748239215American merch sales of Sonic plastic slop is what is keeping Sega around right now, doesn't matter if Japan doesn't care.
>>748238251I imagine how it must feel to be a shareholder and hearing sega devs openly bitch about how they expected their games to sell more in interviews
>>748232204Generations was pretty good
>>748238989>>sega wanted to cancel the one thing keeping them afloat>in the USJapanese audiences have, for the longest time, never gave a FUCK about Sonic, Frontiers was surprise hit for them back there, so Sega is gonna follow that momentum. Other than that, they have their arcades and the Yakuza/Persona(SMT) series that have never lost their popularity back home.
>>748232387>>748232436>>748232685>>748234486>>748235206>>748237536>>748240267
>>748231253Why does Sega seem to hate Sonic so much? Like they make a lot of weird decisions but it really doesn't feel like they like the series and look for any excuse to shut it down
>>748240864Because Sega of Japan resents its success.
>>748240928>Success
>>748241096For better or worse, its all they have that sells in America. And that burns them up.
The issue with SEGA is that, unlike Nintendo, they do have Sonic carrying most of the weight in terms of company mascot. The rest of SEGA franchises are ultimately lesser IP names in terms of merchandising (Streets of Rage, Yakuza, Monkey Ball, Shenmue, etc).Meanwhile Nintendo has simultaneous IPs with Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Donkey Kong, and some more shitting new games every now and then or simply mantaining their popularity importance.So the moment a Sonic game does not sell according to expectations (usually every game related to Modern Sonic) of course SEGA gets some big damage and starts to consider a change before finally sinking. But yeah, ultimately it's also not a good choice either. The solution would be simply to make better games, either with Sonic or any other forgotten franchiseAlex Kidd and Ristar remakes when god damnit
>>748242396>Alex Kidd remakes when god damnit2021
>>748242396RGG is carrying Sega, not Sonic
>>748238870Yep, the same good game.
>>748231253>beloved video game series bailed out by movieGrim
>>748243182>beloved
>>748232204Ban Frogfags
>>748242396The Sonic movies, like em' or not, truly did save this IP. The problem is said IP is one bad game away from getting the stinker smell again after JUST washing it off. What I don't get is why Sega isn't letting hiring more studios to make more Sonic stuff. Like, you had Hardlight make Dream Team... do that again (and don't lock it to Apple Arcade). Dream Team should have been the start of a new Trilogy like the Advance series by Dimps.
>>748231253>we missed out on the good ending because of a shitty movieGod fucking dammit
>>748238870Is that the cope we're going with fellow game grumps bro?
>>748244047I like the movies well enough. But if that dogshit Golden Axe show, and the announcement of the live action Crazy Taxi and Stranger than Heaven movies are anything to go by, I think they've taken the wrong lessons from it.
>Sage exists because of the moviesTake the good with the bad I suppose
>>748235206I love the way this game makes zoomers seethe. Will always be the 2nd best 2d game
>>748236956Kay
>>748244457That's just a shitty Rei clone
>>748244469Whats the first?
>>748239987I was thinking the same thing.Hearing a game dev go>LMAO I'm glad our movie tie-in did good cause our actual game sales aren't even enough to keep our doors open HAS to fuck with their market value.
>>748244543Not to me
>>748244543Rei isn't mean enough.
>>748242396Alex kidd got a remake, the issue is alex kidd only has one good game (alex kidd 4)Ristar has potential as a rebooted modern platformer, that would require effort and budget, two things sega is allergic too.
>>748244549Mania obviously
Does Blaze wear pants or not
>>748245041Those look like pants to me anon
>>748245041If blaze wears pants then shes also wearing a mask over her mouth
>>748232204Sonic Advance 1 and 2
Sonic would tragically live on through fan projects and hacks if Sega abandoned him.
>>748244884She killed Gendo and called Ritsuko a hag
name a more delusional fanbase
>>748232204Babysitting Cream
>>748244331>Golden AxeI feel bad for fans of that series, what should have been an easy slam dunk action show with comedic elements is turned into a comedic show with action AND irony laden humor. Just fuck off with that.
>>748245248HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAGAAHAGAGA
>>748245248>All Nintendo franchisesInterestingIn any case, Sonic really doesn't beat any of them, Sonic at his best has some great games but those are few and far inbetween when compared to litlerally everything here. Pikmin doesn't have that many games to its name and still bats a better average than Sonic
>>748245248at least he is honest
>>748245248Olimar and MAYE Marth, but the buck stops with Samus, especially with how she is now.
/v/ niggers are like "thats unsurprising" but everywhere else is like "yeah I dont buy it." sega would never do that, you people are fucking retarded.
>>748245840Sonic is pure slop. Why would Sega care about Sonic?
>>748245790Nah. Pikmin 3 and 4, for all its faults was a better game than Frontier, and Awakening, Fates, SoV, 3H, Engage, and Fortune's Weave are better than Lost World, Boom, Forces, and FrontierYou can make a case for Generations and Mania, but those those make up for everything else
>>748245248Stop using twitter
>>748232204Mario and Sonic at Olympic Games
>>748245994OH, my bad, I read it as "how far can Sonic get in a fight", that's on me.
>>748245248If you're taking the average of these series Sonic is at a major disadvantage due to how low some of the bad games are.
>>748245840You fail to grasp just how petty and spiteful Sega of Japan can be.
>>748232047They raped PSO2, they're fucking retarded
>>7482322042Cd3Adventure 1Shadow the hedgehog Unleashed Generations RushRush adventureGenerations X shadow
>>748232204Sonic 3&K
>>748245248Sonic mogs all of them except Mario, to say otherwise is cope
>>748231253Sega really is incompetent, holy shit. Imagine letting this major mascot die because you have no one on staff who knows what to do with Gofast the Rodent. As if that's hard to turn into a video game. As if there aren't people who endlessly hunger for more of that.
>>748232047they consistently get outdone by fangames and mods, and they're physically unable to deliver the games that people actually want them to make because, i guess they don't have the development skills for it or whatevera 25 year old creature raising engine? nope, can't replicate that in the current year apparently.
We really shouldn't be hearing this even if it's true.
>>748234636>besides releasing another Yakuza game.And then they'll axe the Yakuza series for declining sales after they repeatedly milk it dry year over year
>>748232047Sega owns Persona and Atlus
>>748231253I've never played a sonic game I didn't enjoy. (I haven't played any of the Nintendo specific ones or any of the handheld games after the game gear).
>>748246142Not really a Sonic game innit?
>>748238362mania must have mindbroken them beyond belief
>>748231253Why do companies seem to think that making it big as a movie is a break or make big deal for a franchise?
>>748232204Sonic Riders
>>748248058unless its a GAAS, video games makes less money than movies
>>748247704This was back in 2019, Persona wasn't anywhere near close to Sonic then and only now started to eclipse it in terms of sales.
What do they mean saved? Didn't they publicly disclose both Superstars and Crossworlds didn't do as well as expected?
>>748248112They don't last you forever though. When movir franchise hype dies it's harder to recover than with video games.
>>748248270Translation: we're getting fucking rich off merchandise and movie sales.
>>748248270They were "saved" back in 2020 and 2022 when the Sonic movies released and Sonic Frontiers releasedSuperstars I don't think was ever that important, and I no fucking clue why Sega thought Crossworlds would be the game to reach mainline Sonic numbers. Just because it's kart racer doesn't mean it's going to do Mario Kart numbers
>>748232204Sonic Adventure 2 Battle
Shouldn't SEGA earn a shitton of money with licensing of merch worldwide?Even if the games themselves aren't profitable(or reach whatever made up number they wanted to sell) it would still bring in money due to Lunhcboxes, Tshirts, funko pops and whatever, right?
>>748248476Yes. Which is probably SoJ's only incentive to keep it around.
>>748248505>>748248476Sega is kept alive purely by merch sales at this point. It astounds me how they have such huge library of franchises and yet have no fucking clue how to handle any of them.
>>748248778Are arcades still a thing in Japan? Plus they dabble in other forms of media and make toys.
>>748245248The worst Sonic game isn't has bad as the worst Mario or Zelda game (Hotel Mario and Wand of Gamelon)Cue tendie cope.
>>748232714>>748246689What happened this time?
>>748248476They do, now. Sonic merch wasn't a huge Walmart staple back in 2019.The movies probably made the character relevant enough to push merch with kids.
>>748248990The DC crossover toys are selling like hotcakes too.
>>748231253Would they SEGA in the world where the first film underperformed, just abandon the Sonic series? Would they have attempted to soft reboot the series or would Sonic be sitting on the bench with Banjo and Conker?
>>748231253It's crazy that the movies have been explosive, but they've been too stupid to make good games to capitalize off this, other than Shadow Gens
>>748231253kek imagine if they didn't do that sonic redesign.
>>748232047>You can never underestimate enough the stupidity of the CEOs and the shareholders
>>748249103>I so sick of stupid gaijins roving Sonic. No in Japan rove Sonic, why we bother?>They make us rots of money.>Oh? First movie bombed, American piggus must not like Sonic anymore.>FINARRY! We bury series and make more Yakuza rike we want!
>>748248863>Are arcades still a thing in Japan?Barely, but yes>Plus they dabble in other forms of media and make toysThat's what I'm saying, Sega is kept afloat by merch sales, mostly of things they don't even ownI imagine Eva is doing a lot of heavy lifting on that front, and they at least have SOME kind of deal setup with Games Workshop for Warhammer stuff specially under the Total War name
>>748249450Don't they own an anime studio too?
>>748249103persona and yakuza had a massive boom in the west at the time. would have made sense for them to kill the series off after another failure
>>748231253>sonic movie success saved sonic>mario's movie success killed marioTragic
>>748232204>1,2,S3K,CD>Advance series >SA1&2>Shadow & Heroes >Riders >Mania Now kill yourself frog poster
>>748249517Yeah. They own TMS who are doing the Lupin anime and the Detective Conan anime
>>748235206You can never forget this songhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5AW7xQ_Dxjk&pp=ygUcc29uaWMgY2QgYmVsaWV2ZSBpbiB5b3Vyc2VsZg%3D%3D
>>748249740That helps too I'm sure.
>>748232204Freedom Planet
>>748249795Metal Sonic looks so fucking cool. I want one.
>>748249517Apparently they own TMS now, which explains a few things, namely how they fucked up with the distrubution and advertising of Undead Unluck and Sakamoto Days
>>748237904The kiddo only used 1% of his power here
>OG Metal >S3&K Mecha>Heroes OverlordWhich is his best design?
>>748249795https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUENLoRGvvsHave another song I can't forget.
>>748231253What they truly needed was to just make Sonic more vulnerable
>>748238132
>>748239215Yellow monkeys only care about the NTR games nowadays
>>748245248>MetroidI hate Sonic fans so much. Literally all of those IPs actually have good games, while Sonic does not. Metroid alone has superior speed and ball mechanics. Sonic gets mogged at his own shtick.
>>748244543
>>748245041I swear the god... .One day I'm gonna find you and IM GONNA FUCKING TORTURE YOU TO DEAT
>>748250162Is "more vulnerable" code for "stop having literally every other character break their backs sucking his cock"?
>>748245248Mario don't have any chance to survive
>>748231253Imagine canning an entire series because you're too stupid to realize that people just want more of the shit you were making in the 90s and early 00s.
>>748238870You know if you think about it, most platformers are all the exact same game, over and over.... You know, if you really think about it, most video games, they're all the exact same experience, over and over.
>>748250162DEARSEEGA
>>748232204Project X: Love Potion Disaster
I can easily see the higher ups stopping the games while still greenlighting merch and such, the "SEGA UNIVERSE" thing they announced months ago was entirely about producing anniversary merch for old IPs even if they don't have any games planned in the future.
>>748232204The one you haven't played.
>>748245041>If blaze wears pants then shes also wearing a mask over her mouthOfficial SEGA Artwork says she has lavender limbs like Big, so it's either pants or some kind of one-piece suit underneath her purple top.https://x.com/SonicOfficialJP/status/2078389310454403533
>>748250783The shit they were making in the 90s and early 00s was also hot wet trash. Or are you seriously going to sit there and pretend Sonic 3d Blast and Labyrinth are good games? And now I can just smell the tards who are gonna go to bat for the Game Gear games.
>>748231253Sega execs were quoted as saying they wanted to get rid of Sonic in the 2000s too "but keep releasing some good 2D sidescrollers." >>748232204GenerationsDreams CollectionThe Amy undressing game on Newgrounds
>>748232047sonic has enough that they could just dump out ports every so often and people would probably be happy. while i'd like a universe where puyo became their new star just due to the japanese side they'd probably just go for persona or yakuza and puyo being a niche series is fine enough if they stop making the most retarded decisions possible
>>748250895That certainly explains what they're doing with Sakura Wars>Oh here's some JP only merch you can only get by going to the muesuem exhibit for the franchiseFuck off Sega
>>748250137Here an another onehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vGowa8UHFWE&pp=ygUZc2hhZG93IHRoZSBoZWRnZWhvZyBtdXNpYw%3D%3D
>>748250797
>>748250072Design-wise, probably Base Metalbut my personal favorite is Metal Overlord
>>748248015I'm not sure if it's them being petty or if they really just knew the fangames would always do it better for various reasons
>>748250895>I can easily see the higher ups stopping the games while still greenlighting merch and such, the "SEGA UNIVERSE" thing they announced months ago was entirely about producing anniversary merch for old IPs even if they don't have any games planned in the future.I was going to ask how the new Shinobi was doing, but apparently it disappointed SEGA too.https://gonintendo.com/contents/62116-sega-says-sonic-racing-crossworlds-and-shinobi-art-of-vengeance-have-fallen-short-of>During the SEGA SAMMY Management Meeting 2026, SEGA revealed that both Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds and SHINOBI: Art of Vengeance have “fallen short” of sales expectations. SEGA didn’t get into specifics on how many units of each game were sold, nor did they say just how short total sales fell of expectations. I thought it was a very well received title. What do even they consider a success now?
>>748248015They still salty because of thatKeK
>>748250891
>>748248015>>748251824Which is especially silly since Mania was also shit.
>>748251808In reviews but sales wise it flopped, they even mention how their recent titles are being well received but no one is buying them
>>748233283it was cooler before.>>748234272they never settled on a visually readable and contextually coherent identity for the world, every new game/cartoon/comic might as well be a parallel universe + they handed the franchise to genuine autismos to give it their own spin which made it even more tone deaf, cringy and fragmented as possible. Also they made my sexual awakening cartoon character less sexy which is an unequivocally unsound financial decision.Honestly they just needed to keep remaking, improving and remixing sonic heroes and keep funding sonic mania sequels.
>>748232204the entire franchise has been riding on literally just the chao minigame from SA2 and nothing else
>>748232204Adventure 1 in particular.
>>748245248what are you talking about, fire emblem is abyssmal dogshit and pikmin doesn't have enough games to not be outshined.
>>748251808The Sega leadership literally mentally challenged.They release a game and expect it to sell unreasonably high units within a few week and if it's not accomplish their retarded expectations,they just star bitching about it.And don't forget how retard their release timing too
>>748249837Worth noting their sakuga and outsource studio that famously animated the bulk of Akira got shut down in February
>>748252572All because Wellesley Wild wouldn't let them have Animaniacs back when they needed it the most.
Imagine growing up playing Sonic instead of Mario lmao, no doubt you guys are a bunch of losers
>>748244260Jim Carrey will like to have a word with you, those movies are not shitty.
>>748252227>changed amy's position so it doesnt look like shadow is looking to her pantiesfaggot cuck artist
>>748251808>>748252042I need to be honest, the artstyle turned me away and I know how this sounds, but really was because it wasn't "weeb" enough in any sense. If I'm playing a game called SHINOBI I don't want to look like its a western game made to be safely inoffensive for the kinds of people who watch Netflix "anime" (western shows calling themselves anime) On a related note, the crossover DLC also felt pretty lame to mehttps://youtu.be/X6k8KRPugIw?si=IywtEERcvoFKcHHZI get why these characters were chosen, Golden Axe was to get to people thinking about Golden Axe because of the shitty tv show and apparently new game that looks like ass, Yakuza is here because it's popular, as is SonicBut I'm sorry, these characters just don't fit the vibe and feel like shilling (which they are), none of these character feel like they fit with the rest of the game. There are crossover characters from franchises that would fit way better, SMT and Sakura Wars are right there, could've included someone from Valkyria Chronicles or Shining Force, Panzer Dragoon, for fucks sakes if they really needed a Sonic character as a boss, Chaos, or any of the bosses from Unleashed or Sonic 06 are right there, fucking Secret Rings is right there. You don't need to include Eggman every single time, the game is niche enough for include some deeper cuts
>>748252982You need to chill brother
>>7482322043 & Knigger was kino
>>748244260We have a perfect game for a faggots like you
>>748252404Sonic fans don't have the right to call the games from any other franchise "abysmal dogshit"
>>748251808Everything is a disappointment to them because they have unreasonable expectations.
>>748252850I grew up on both.Always felt more impaired when I was into Mario though.
>>748248015>>748251824They give Mania nothing but praise in all of their investor reports. I don't know why you guys keep circulating this around.
I will never understand why Sonic fans have such pathetically low standards. Can't just be nostalgia. I used to play the shit out of Sonic games too as a kid, and then I play a real video game and realized how trash Sonic is.
>>748253446I thought Dr.Mario was canonically a different person
>>748231818forces was kino and I'm tired of people pretending it was not
>>748253354As a matter of fact they do, they are seasoned experts on what abysmal dogshit looks like, and frankly, fire emblem is right there.
>Sonic shills are so desperate, they're pretending that Forces was good
>>748253587Foces of a cool premise that was ruined by literally everything else around it.
>>748253536>proceed to do nothing with the devs besides the rushed broken shit that was origins>proceeds to get fucking ARZEST to do the next classic gamethey can say what they want, they clearly got their japanese pride severely hurt
>>748253661>I know what dogshit is, I've been eating it all my life, so clearly that means my sense of taste is to be trustedThis is the saddest cope I've seen in my life
>>748231253I was really hoping that sega would cancel the fucking IDW comic lincese in order to save some cash since the comic profit is pretty much worthless compared to the game profit.
>>748232452Iizuka is incompetent but I think SEGA really did slash his budgets and Nintendo kept poaching his staff.
>>748253446You forgot the most based one "bangs the hottest Princess"
>>748253690Reminder that Sonic was raped and tortured for six months, and it didn't affect him in the slightest. Not even Steven Segal is that insecure about his characters being the most ultra coolest unflappable badass evar. Sonic is not a character, he's a player drone.
>>748254012Elise is hotter than Peach
>>748253536They praised soo good the Mania 2 never gonna exist and the team got wiped just for showing an example for the future devs.
>>748254012>>748254092I honestly expected either of you to be referring to Sally, but we all know Bitchnic got cucked by her PDA.
>>748253843Thats not up to them. It lasts as long as IDW keeps paying the licensing fee. For Sega its free money.
>>748253446You forgot to add to :He lives in a hot chick heaven while mario only had Yoshi at best
>>748254208
>>748254083It wasn't even about Sonic being cool, it was about him being not taking the situation seriously because Sonic having a story that takes itself seriously is "cringe", and they need to undermine at every possible opportunity. Among Forces' many, MANY, problems, this was a huge one, for being so dire that the whole world is at war with Eggman, it certainly doesn't fucking feel like it most of the time, with characters quipping and speaking a netural tone for most of the game, all while ruining the characterzation of a dozen different characters in the proccess, and also your OC is there
>>748245248sonic defeats the first 4 easily. zelda and mario don't make it either. i think sonic just has more overall enjoyable games and characters. even if they're shit games like sonic and the black knight. i'd still rather play that then safeslop platformers like super mario 3d world.
>>748254208Archie is forever non-canon, Sega banished them to the Penders dimension
>>748238870Really makes one think, doesn't it?
>>748254092No idea who she is since I dont play subpar games but no one Is hotter than Peach
>>748232204What does the reddit frog have to do with that?
>>748254459Peach isn't even the hottest in Mario.Or hot at all outside fan art.
>>748250891Didn't that game get canceled due to infighting and other drama?
>>748254507Go fuck Tails or something Boco no one asked you
>>748254459Understandable but Peach isn't even the hottest Princess in her own franchise, or even secondThe hottest girl in general isn't even princess
>>748254459>no one Is hotter than PeachI must respectfully disagree. Samus, by beloved autistic bird wife.
>>748235806Undertale and Deltatroon
>>748245248You'd literally have to dredge up stuff like Urban Champion to compare Sonic to. Any franchise that Nintendo use prominently in the modern age is leagues better handled than Sonic even when they fail. Long dead Nintendo IPs that have a better track record than SonicIf a fully original Sonic game was as good as Metroid Prime 4 Sonic fans would be cheering from the rafters. Hell Frontiers showed it could be worse and they'd still celebrate.
Ironic since the reverse happened with Mario, with it now being more of a movie franchise than a gaming one.
>>748254656I'd argue Star Fox, Yoshi and modern Pokemon are Sonic tier quality wise
>>748254656>Metroid Prime 4Y'know, for as much shit as people give that game, the disappointment stems mostly from it being just kinda middle of the road after such a long wait. Say what you will, it is still a functional, fun to play video game. I genuinely struggle to think of a Sonic game that just works properly.
>>748245041I've always seen pants.
>>748254673In a cosmic sort of way, I do like how Donkey Kong is the frontlner platformer of the generation and that in turn opened the gate for literally every other Nintendo franchise to get a turn with their new games before Mario
>>748245248Listen, I love most of those series (except Pikmin or FE which I've never played) and I would put Sonic over all of them except possibly Kirby.
>>748254741>Star FoxYou are sadly correct. Star Fox is a fraud ass franchise. Fuckin' half of it is rehashes on the first game, with the other half being trash. ... What is it with all the famous furry IPs being nostalgia carried garbage?
>>748232634Certainly not the latest iteration.
>>748254353If they were so scared of trying to tell a serious story, they shouldn't have made Sonic Adventure 1.
hmm i suppose i will beat tf out of my twp to some pawg'd out Sonic gals today in celebration
>>748254741The only Yoshi games that feature Sonic's lack of quality are the ones made by Arzest who are literally ex-sonic Team developers.Pokemon have technical flaws but the core battle system is solid and even entirely new battle systems in games like ZA are more robust and well-put together than a Sonic game has ever been. Frontiers is so shit they let you modify the physics because they couldn't get it right.
>>748254741Yoshi has been on the slow upturn lately, with apparently the newest game being called one of the best games of the year. Pokemon has only gotten truly shitty, but the previous entries haven't been truly terrible in the same way Sonic has been being at worst painfully average, with Winds and Waves looking to be a major correction. Star Fox is a victim of an identiy crisis more than anything, with every original game post 64 doing something wrong, and everything else being a remake of 64, which at the very least is a good game to remake
>>748245248pikmin games are trashfire emblem has one good game(awakening)metroid has better fan games than actual gameskirby? fag shit for kids zelda same as FE (ironically also called awakening)mario is overally super overrated and sonic runs laps(heh) on that fat fuck
>>748253843Archie is gone, Anon.
>>748255038The triple takedown of Heroes, Shadow, and 06 wounded their pride and made Sonic into a laughingstock for its story, thus leading them overly course correct in the 2010s with Colors, Lost World, Boom, and Forces, with Generations somehow being an outlier
>>748255159Nothing you said is true.
>>748255273>ForcesUnfortunately, that was serious. As a heart attack.
>>748255273>HeroesShit game that sucked ass to control even by Sonic standards, terrible level design, and poorly implemented central gimmick. It's story was nothing, and the very least of its problems. >ShadowThey were trying WAY too fucking hard, and became silly as a result. ... Hot take though, I didn't mind the guns. The shooting was fun-ish. >06Well, I mean, the writing in that game could fill out several essays for how bad it is.
>>748255393Forces wanted to be serious, but kept tripping over itself at evey oppertunity
The only good blue mascot Is megaman and you know it
>>748255476Don't bother. You've activated the autism. The bot is just going to keep screeching about it for hours now.
>>748255476Sega is quite happy with IDW right now.
>>748255557his only good games are battle network. everything else, shit.
>>748255250>Archie is gone, Anon.I know it gone anon but what im saying here is that it stupid that sega isn't asking idw to pay even more for the license.
>>748255519For me, Shadow 05 is supreme edgekino, even if as a game it's pretty bad.
>>748232714but isnt pso3 with tittier space elves in developement?
>>748255615Classic megaman Is leagues better and more influential than sonic
>>748253820>Implying fire emblem isn't shit
>All Sonic games are dogshitThen why are you even a Sonic fan at this point?
>>748256065>implyingI got the fuck out, dude.
>>748256065___ ___ ___ ____
>>748256054You're dancing around Sonic being mostly shit anon
>>748256378*entirely shit
>>748237783>he doesn't know what the red guy did afterwardssad times
>>748255519>06Biggest problem it had the billions of loading screens.The game 90% just the loading screens
i love sonic because he makes nint*ddlers seethe
>>748254212You're crazy if you wouldn't breed Peach and I say this as a massive Amyfag. Both at the same time is ideal.
>>748256584>pointing out that the games are bad is "seething" now>tribalist bullshit out of nowhereThe absolute state of you people.
>>748256701I only stated Mario is a faggot who commit a daily bestiality with a "Dino"I never said I don't want to fuck peach.But truth to be told the mario world lacking the hot chick heaven part. How much hot girls are in the Mario universe 7-8?
>>748257149sonic definitely has mario beat in the hot chick department and guys
>>748257149Mario has Peach (hottest girl in gaming) Sonic has a bunch of furries
>>748257365If only you didn't mean the furries...
>>748257606
>>748235206>>748249795I want to live in a world that is just the aesthetics of Sonic CD. https://youtu.be/Bw8aPIZQIL8?list=PLvNp0Boas7205K42TtDtdUCCrtkD-X0id
>>748258091
>>748256745No one said that
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NVoNyufMUpo&pp=ygUZc29uaWMgdHdpbGlnaHQgem9uZSBtdXNpYw%3D%3D
>>748258091>>748258257>Sonic has never gotten real puzzle spin-off and are mostly just reskins of unrelated franchisesMan....
>>748253678>Sonic shillsThat's just one guy on this thread, come on now
>>748258482Bullshit. The vast majority of these actual retards are mindbroken. >>748258446>wanting bad puzzle games tooAnon, for fucks sake.
>>748258091Please no, no more tetris...
>>748258561Sorry i wasnt clear, i was specifying the forces apologizer
>>748254626Samus is ugly and not even the most attractive tall blonde space slut that wears light blue from Nintendo.
>>748258382>No one said that>Mario mentioned 32 times>Metroid 5 times>Pikmin mentioned 5 time>Zelda mentioned 4 times>Fire Emblem mentioned 4 times>Star Fox metnioned 3 times>Kirby mention 3 times
>>748232204For me:Sonic 3&K is peak.Sonic mania is also good.These are the only good game BUT, I also enjoyed sonic generations and sonic x shadow generations despite them being boost slop. I think the boost slop formula can work with some tweaks. Trying to 100% was fun and there’s a little of of challenge there towards the end when the difference between achieving S rank and A rank is 1 attosecond.
>>748258446the girls would be excellent main characters for a puzzle game. kinda crazy that sega never did this.
>>748258732
>>748258732Is it just me, or are the Sonicfags in this thread being awfully contrarian and petty towards Nintendo for no reason?
>>748255273>>748255519You don't play any of these games for the gameplay or story. You play them for the music
>>748258446mean bean machine is also a reskin of puyo in its infancy so offsetting and rotating in tight spaces didn't exist yet. only reason to play it is because it's based on aosth.
>>748259087Yes, that's what videos are. A collection of MP3s stiched together with shitty gameplay
>>748235206Why is it that no one can get this game right? Every time I try to play a port, even with fan fixes, it always gets something wrong. Origins version sucks, 2011 sucks.
>>748238929See>>748237536
>>748259029They have to be, otherwise they'd have to admit that they could be playing good games instead of shilling for a shitty criminal mascot that has done nothing but abuse them their whole lives.
>>748259267What's wrong with them that doesn't make them right?
>>748245248Star Citizen
Damn the campaign to fix his movie design saved the entire franchise.remake SADX and SA2 + Chao Gardens, and they will receive infinite money nostalgia drunk millenials that played the original games on release. Throw in a special level or two. Make SA3 after that's just more of the same. Avoid Sonic 2006's mistakes.
>>748259295Literally ALL of those games are trash. And yes, I have played them. I really wish I hadn't. >>748259350... Eh. I feel like Star Citizen fans are at least aware of the fact they're in a cult.
>>748245248Out of the 17 main series Sonic games, only 8 of them are good.More than 50% of main series Sonic games aren't worth playing.Can you think of a game series that does worse than Sonic that isn't already dead?
>>748259359sega not making an chao garden app for smartphones in the early 2010s is the biggest potential money lost of all time
>Sonic 3&K is le bad actually!Who are these people fooling?
>>748259429star fox. more than half of the series is the same game.
>>748259507Is that one game good?
>>748259350Eve online
>>748259625only the original SF64
>>7482594291, 2, 3, CD, adventure 1 and 2, unleashed and generations?
>>748258897>the girls would be excellent main characters for a puzzle game. kinda crazy that sega never did this.They don't because Sonic is a chuuni franchise. Sonic Team would never make a game where Sonic or Shadow isn't the MC anymore.
>>748259507Starfox get it pretty rough.The only saving grace the Nintendo didn't humiliated and twisted Krystal
>>748259625Pft. No. Oh, they'll insist it is, but... no, it's really not. Certainly not "We must ruin the entire IP over this." tier.
>>748259834Fuck Krystal.
>>748259834Seriously. Dodged a hell of a bullet there.
>>7482597841, 2, 3, S&K (counting it as a separate game from 3 because I'm being generous), SA1, SA2, Sonic Gens and Shadow Gens.Dimps' versions of Unleashed and Colors are better than Sonic Team's.
>>748259320Start the first level. There's a pseudo "tutorial" of sorts going on in pic related. You will most likely touch a sign to go to the future or past, to your right there's a hole that almost sucks you in if you slightly touch it. As long as you're not holding left, you will time travel, that's what teaches you the mechanic. In every other remake I tried you can safely land and still be in the present, which to me indicates they got something wrong with the physics. Another thing: it's a game where one of the possible goals is exploration, but there's a time limit. Luckily, if you time travel when the timer is above 5 minutes, the timer resets to 5 minutes, so you can strategically keep exploring as long as there are unused signs left. Not in the remakes where the timer keeps going. Also, in wacky workbench look at the beginning here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmrXyGHo8PMthat vehicle thing collides with Sonic in the remakes as you can see him bumping into it. So you need to deliberately jump into it to ride it. However, in the original it's almost a trap, also used in the first zone, where just touching it anywhere at all sends you flying, and potentially time traveling if you touched a sign. There's more but this is already too long.
>>748232204Dr Robotnik's Dump 'n' Pump
>>748232047>but are they really so dumbYou're asking that right after they heavily promoted that Golden Axe cartoon, that bombed so hard it disappeared from reality in a week.
>>748260024>wall of text with arbitrary nitpicksbtw US OST BTFOS JP
>>748231253Weird what a turnaround that movie made. It was a laughingstock with the first reveal, and then after they retooled it, it ended up saving the franchise. It's almost like listening to fans and constructive criticism helps.
>>748259429Donkey Kong, Final Fantasy, King of Fighters, Age of Empires, Zelda
>>748260024*also used in the first act
>>748259868Gladly
>>748259267>>748260024>play any mod that removes the time travel loading screen(fucking awesome btw)>messes with the actual time travel mechanics and breaks obviously intended routespisses me off
>>748231253Nintendo is what Segaint
>>748245248Sonic doesn't start, let alone reaching Mario.
>>748260254DKC1, DKC2, DKCR, DKCTF and Bananza are all good games.Only DKC3 and DK64 are debatably bad.
>>748254083TRAPPED and BETRAYED for six months
>>748232047>but are they really so dumbThis is the company that was cutting-edge. As in showing that 3D Gaming was possible AND viable. Yes, they are that fucking dumb.
>>748245248
>>748260091Kek no
>>748261127
>>748232204Sonic Advance 1-3
>>748245248>starts with pikminsonic better pray they're counting the shitty 3DS game and phone app
>>748261202Bananza sucks, so the last good DK game was Tropical Freeze. That's 2014, compared with Sonic which had Shadow Gens more recently. So DK has sucked for longer than Sonic
>>748261468even then the % of good pikmin games to bad ones brutally mogs sonic's ratio
>>748261240GAPED by fat robot cock for six months. Somehow no trauma whatsoever. Fuck this game.
>>748261491No it wasn't, Bananza is 2025's Game of the Year.
>>748248112Why make such a stupid lie?
>>748261387You switching the subject is already another win for Mario by the way.
>>748257606>Mario has Peach (hottest girl in gaming) Sonic has a bunch of furries
>>748261491Even if you say 3, 64 and Bananza are bad, there are still more good DK games than there are bad ones, so DK's average is still higher than Sonic's despite having less good games than Sonic.
>>748231253Sonic wasn't profitable and delivering the shittiest games outside of Mania at the time. Sega was going to bite the bullet
>>748260169>It's almost like listening to fans and constructive criticism helps.Now if only they'd do that for CrossWorlds.Wait no the game's actually in a good state and I'm just shit at it for thinking things need to change, right I keep forgetting.
>>748262131>wikipedia stats
>>748253446>>748257365Mario was even dabbling in Sonic's "le hot chick heaven" on the side https://x.com/sonicstadium/status/1421576406912290823
>>748262131holy fuck
>>748260169Now if only SEGA and Sonic Team were capable of doing this instead of being control freaks over the details of kusoge, that would be nice.
>>748257835>Fanfic projecting cuckoldMeanwhile Sonic in canon:
>>748231253>Cancel the entire Sonic seriesAnd what would SEGA have left? Like a Dragon, Persona, and uh......
>>748262490Ken is so fucking weird.
Man I was feeling prepared for the Migufest this week, only now did my dumbass think to check the date for it. Oops
>>748262721>He's genuinely excited to face fuck all but sweats bleeding through their teeth because Miku
>>748262772It's worth it to race with /v/ frens
>>748261491Bananza was a decent Odyssey 2 masquerading as DK in the same way Shadow Gens was decent DLC to a hit-or-miss Temple Run series masquerading as 3D Sonic, your comparison is one-sided.
>>748262490Reminder that Sonic got cucked... by himself. As they say. Kek, what a bitch.
>>748262810I guess so. I mean I enjoy racing as a team with the /v/ros too, but this is gonna be so fucking insufferable.
>>748262965You're right sadly. I still have it in me to enjoy it despite it all for now, but it's only gonna keep getting worse as the larger playerbase gets fed up with it.I don't see even the most diehard of us lasting through year 2 without some major positive changes, and that's looking less and less likely. My final cope is that they're saving some 2.0 update until after the tournament, and that update will totally revitalize the playerbase and have a marginally less suffocating meta, haha
>>748262721We could also had something for the anniversary but we get a decal of Sonic laughing at us instead
>>748263516If nothing else, it makes me just that little bit more happy and hopeful seeing other anons trudging along, like we're all together in this shitheap of a situation, you know?Who knows, maybe the next patch will bring Super Sonic Speed and Mirror Mode online officially. Maybe the balance will improve. Who knows?Still curious about that Speak DLC thing that was teased recently. Wonder what those guys could be cooking up.
>>748262651Skies of Arcadia!
>>748231253Let's be real the average Sonic fan is more in love with the idea of Sonic than Sonic the gaming franchise
>>748263516Them making an entire showcase dedicated to year 2 only makes me thing next patch will be very substancial and bigger than previous patches but i'm still keeping my expectations low cause it's Sega we're talking about goddammit
>>748231253When is movie Sonic going to rip off his sleeves, revealing his skin colored arms?
>>748245273
I can't imagine the backlash if Sega had just simply announced "We are cancelling the entire Sonic franchise. There will be no more Sonic anything."
>>748231253Mario's rival, everyone.
>>748263884I don't expect anything major. Likely just more reveals and teases about upcoming DLC. Would like to be proven otherwise though.
>>748262651i'd argue puyo since it's still pretty damn popular but that'd require them to be smart and stop shilling ringo and her idol VA for the 500th time (where her entire deal is "isn't the wacky thing in this wacky franchise WAAAACKY?") while leaving both the compile and the dwindling fever cast to pick up the scraps in supplementary material and an apple arcade title.
They should make another Sonic Advance 3or someone else should steal the mix-and-match team mechanics
>>748259502I'm sure their stance has changed recently from trying to figure out anything that could give them a comeback, but it's still crazy to me that the Chao Garden returning is their one consistent source of community want, and they always mention that they have zero plans to do anything related to Chao.
Sega was always retarded
>>748231818Sage and Frontiers wouldn’t have existed
>>748266041A world without Sage is a world i don't wanna live in...
>>748231253>>748231818>>748232047Sonic doesn’t need Sega, but Sega needs Sonic to still be somewhat relevant. Pic related is true, if you've followed every single part of Sonic's history, SEGA has always been the ones responsible for every single bad thing that has happened to the franchise. Either crunching devs, giving them shit budget or just meddling in the development.
>>748266112Like there aren't a million other Rei clones out there.
>>748232204>Name 1 good Sonic game.You should’ve added a hard mode: No Sonic Mania or the Genesis Trilogy, I’m sure a couple of these replies are just Sonic Mania glaze for the billionth time
>>748266194>>748266194>Flynn>Evan>IDW>Saved the franchiseTracey did nothing but his art is cool.Fowler, Tyson and Iizuka are the true heroes
>>748266332Not a single good game has been mentioned and there is no hard mode to this question.
>>748232452People say the Dark Age of Sonic was the 2000s when in reality it was the 2010s, the series was literally at risk until the Paramount Movie saved it which itself already featured an ugly depiction of Sonic. Said Ugly Sonic was slammed hard by the internet enough for Paramount to go back and fix it. It’s fucking insane how the movie was a make or break situation at one point.
>>748232204GenerationsThe original, not the remastered shadow trash
Not gonna read the thread, but I'll keep on saying this, Sonic should NOT be reduced to movies and media outside of video games. Video games are Sonic's bread and butter and SEGA needs to get their shit together and I keep saying this to my gradual fatigue with this IP - with Sonic's game development. They had a golden goose with Mania and they let it go, though Stealth not handling actual corporate deadlines and being on an actual payroll played a part in it too. They really need to go back to Sonic 1, learn those mechanics and see why Sonic became a beloved icon worldwide.
>>748234486>>748235206How Original
>>748266585this.
>>748266275They don't often end up in games with nude mods.
>>748232204there are more bad mario games than sonic
>>748234272>Was Adventure 1-2 a mistake?Hell no! Those games had passion AND SOUL the devs actually went to real world locations for inspiration. How many game devs actually do that these days? When was the last time any game devs actually did that?
>>748238842>Do old-fashioned Sonic autists even exist anymore?This is a Time Machine of a video you might find interesting. The early EARLY Sonic fans were very civilized in their forums, its almost unheard of today.https://youtu.be/inxKa65uUAY
>>748231253Damn, what were the most recent major games at the time?>Lost World>Boom>ForcesOh that explains it then
>>748261934>Can't accept the truth that Sonic can defeat MarioIt's ok tendie, no everyone's ready to face the truth
>>748238842Sonic Retro i guess
>>748267228I'm pretty sure the entire internet was more civilized back then and not just for Sonic
>>748267325>Can't accept the truth that Sonic can defeat Mario>It's ok tendie, no everyone's ready to face the truthFalse sonic snoy, sonic isn't even on the radar compared to Mario >>748262131
>>748235806The existing autism magnets in our own timeline would just get stronger.What, did you really think Sonic is one of a kind? It's just an early example.
>>748267484Yeah that's because there were far fewer, if any indians and trannies online at that point.
>>748267543At least those we're talking about power levels, you just switched to talk about financials instead, curious
>>748267648>At least those we're talking about power levels, you just switched to talk about financials instead, curiousThe topic was started on sales and games. Then you switched the topic to cope, curious
>>748267648This is a financials thread, shitnic. Mario's always on the top vs Sonic.
>>748267862nta but i always thought mario vs sonic in a fight would be close anywayit's also sad sega's doing this shit along with allowing ai in their stuff constantly recently
Could you love Tails...if he was a fish?
>Wolverine gave us nothing to write about so we have to fabricate an interview
>>748268239>Source: My Ass
>>748268135
>>748268312>HERE'S A SCHEMATIC FOR YA, MY ASS!!
>>748268135These look bad but Knuckles with the cartoon villain mustache makes me laugh
>>748231253Nah nigga, they would step in and make their own headcannon as they have been doing since the beginning.
Do you want people to end themselves over the absence of Sonic?
>>748231253It's been about 9 years since Sonic Mania came out.Why did SEGA not let them create a sequel to my favorite Sonic game.
>>748232047Sonic is forgotten in Japan. Despite being one of the most iconic video game characters outside of Japan, they are indeed short-sighted enough to consider canning a entire IP altogether just because it flopped in their home nation. The international market is just an afterthought for a lot of Japanese companies and devs, especially tradition-minded ones.
>>748269018>especially tradition-minded ones.And Sega is the worst of them all.
>>748231253Sonic isn't even necessarily bad anymore, it's just so mediocre it's uninterestingSonic doesn't generate memes anymore, the comic is boring, the cartoon is for toddlers, and the games are quickly devolving into mobileslop as main console releases are less and less relevant. The movies have carried Sonic on their back in the 2020s and I dunno what's gonna be for Sonic once Paramount can't keep the train going anymore
>>748239215>Wolves are betterI somebody showed that Japanese Girl Whisper the Wolf and got her opinion on her.
>>748268991Jealousy
>>748239759Maybe he was referring to the Blue Goddess Sheep
>>748269186I do like Ariem.
>>748268991The Mania guys wanted to make something original. And they were pissed at Sega for adding DRM to Mania and fucking over their work on Sonic Origins.
>>748268991Mania broke them so hard they've made sure no western man will ever touch Sonic again and subject them to this humiliation
>>748232204Sonic battle
>>748254212Yoshi is way better than a bunch of foids
I hope one day sonic and the blade of courage gets animated
>>748242396The thing is Sega doesn’t have multiple prominent Mascots like Nintendo. They aren’t here but I’d also put Kirby and Donkey Kong here.
>>748269375Sega wouldn't bother, its not canon.
>>748231253Aren't the games still dead though?
>>748269421neither is the live action movie
Well Sonic movies are far better than mario movies
>>748269102>mfw I realize the reason Sega is pushing the compfag side of CrossWorlds so much is because they're stupid enough to think that an overtuned comp scene is what keeps a game relevant instead of fresh content and good gameplay
>>748244047Sonic should take another crack at a fighting game desu
>>748269502Sega doesn't have that much control over those. If they did they never would have used the name "Robotnik".
>>748244047Sonic Rhythm Game (especially with how highly praised and regarded the songs are in the games)
>>748244047Sonic RPG Sega doesn’t talk about Chronicles so we shouldn’t either
>>748269117Cute woof.
>>748267228This video is hilarious. We really have all been driven insane by the Internet over the years. They were talking about Sonic 1 like French food critics
>>748244260>we missed out on the good ending because of a shitty movieNot even, Sonic Adventure 2 back in 2001 had a sense of finality to it, it easily could’ve been the last Sonic game ever. Try not to shed a tear from the emotional ending sequence.https://youtu.be/CHHitu8726k
>>748250968Pretending to be retarded by going for the games around then that no one cares about sure is a choice. Every developer had higher output back then including experimental dogshit, don't even bother trying to use that as some own.
>>748268991They used up all their good ideas for Mania. Their next game, that shitty 3d platformer with a clown, sucked. I'm sure Mania was pure luck and a Mania 2 wouldn't end up much different from Superstars, other than having a good soundtrack.
>>748244543You’re seriously gonna say no to this?
>>748269541>instead of fresh contentthey're adding DLC constantly, you couldn't ask for more content
>>748267648>most literate sonic powerscalier.
>>748234272I love both of these games more than anything from the 2010s and 2020s. They felt sincere.
>>748232047>easily their most successful franchise they fully own?Isn't that PersonaOr maybe even total war
>>748270006it ain't that bad but i knew the marble zone hatred was relatively new
>>748270310I liked Penny's Big Breakaway though
>>748270184Sonic 1, 2, CD, 3, 3&K, Chaotix, and Triple Threat are bad games. Fuck you.
>>748270369>they're adding DLC constantly, you couldn't ask for more contentYes I fucking can when the DLC we get amounts to fuck all except characters that may as well be skins with no voices, cars that never get used because Sega hardly addresses the meta, and tracks with egregious shortcuts and retarded gimmicks. Where's the new game modes? Where's Super Sonic Speed and Mirror Mode online? Where's the skins shop? Where's the Acceleration buff people have been asking for for an entire year? Fuck you for saying we can't ask for more content.
>>748245041>Alternate Dimension/Universe where Blaze’s games are enjoying their consistent successesI want to visit Blaze’s Dimension
>>748250927Sexy Legs
>>748270568>cars that never get used because Sega hardly addresses the meta, and tracks with egregious shortcuts and retarded gimmicksExactly. Lack of content is not the issue. They should stop adding content, they should fix what's already there instead. Adding more stuff is not gonna fix anything
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>>748270675>Lack of content is not the issueIt still is an issue you disingenuous faggot. People are bored of the same shit day after day. Even if the meta got a shakeup finally (which it won't), it wouldn't change the fact that we've been racing on the same fucking tracks at the same slow ass speed for a year now. Team Sonic Racing and Transformed at least had different game modes to shake things up, what the hell do we have in CrossWorlds? The Race Park / Festival "modes" where you drive at the speed of a slug and there's also an objective you can do if you want but don't actually have to do because you can just run the meta and win anyway? Wow. Cool.
>>748250968>The Sega Saturn had no new mainline SonicNintendo is also guilty of this with Mario on the GBA.
>>748254546it did?
>>748245248>90s Sonic I’m tempted to say it’s on the same tier as Mario and Zelda but I think Kirby tier is the only decent answer here.>2000s SonicSomewhere between Zelda and Kirby >2010s SonicI’d say Metroid tier, because Mania and Samus returns came out the same year. And yeah Generations was universally praised compared to Other M.>2020s Sonic I think it’s still stuck on the Metroid tier
>>748246990Not to mention the loads of fangames lots of fans do FOR FREE
>>748245273dead but not forgotten
>>748247538Are you the type to have an existential crisis at the thought of your favorite video game franchise being shelved?
>>748248015It’s funny because Mania is just a glorified romhack at the end of the day, it was only successful because of how much of a bad taste Boom left in people’s mouths.
>>748254092 Pauline has big tits meanwhile Rouge has gotten flat
>>748254494Dumbass Pepeposters couldn’t be arsed to use the actual Sonic Frog in a Sonic thread.
>>748271251Triple Trouble 16-bit was not good.
>>748254626Peach is too vanilla and a basic bitch choice.I’ll take Daisy, Captain Syrup and Ashley.
>>748232047>The fact Sonic's games sellThey:1: Don't strongly2: Go on discount for 30% off a month or two after release before being regularly 50%+ off a year after release so when they do sell they're making jack shit off of it. Most of the sales are likely from these discounts too.The internet is a glorified echo chamber where you can find a 'strong' community anywhere. Will how much people shilled CrossWorlds and went full anti-Mario Kart with the van meme you'd think it sold well but it didn't and SEGA outright said its sales were shit.
>>748254741Agreed on all fronts, however Star Fox is the “Potential Franchise” just like Sonic.
>>748234272Dreamcast flopped.Heroes was shitShadow was about 15 years too early and given how much you had to replay shit for the true ending it too was shit06 was shitStory book games were shitChronicles was shitLost World was shitForces was shitFrontiers was shitGenerations was just rehashing shit and the 2D stages sucked ass which makes up half the gameSuperstars was midSonic has always thrived on 4 decent Genesis/CD games and 2 good Dreamcast games that didn't receive popularity until they were ported to the Gamecube and PC. It has by all metrics spent more time being a shit IP with a great soundtrack than a halfway good one. His only decent games beyond the originals were the GBA and DS ones and even they weren't *amazing*.SEGA being the Japanese company they are refused to admit that Mania was a solid game and won't let there be a Mania 2 which there really should have been by now. Mania was the closest thing Sonic's had to a great game in decades and they refused to capitalize on it.
>>748255557Let’s hope Mega Man doesn’t go back into the hibernation capsule a few years after Dual Override. Only to be brought out for the obligatory Anniversary game just for the sake of celebrating every Tenths of every anniversary
>>748256054Sonic had more of a cultural impact than Fire Emblem namely getting on par with Mario only for a brief moment. You just had to be there to see the 90s commercials.
>>748231253>Most Sonic games from 2003-2013 are hot garbage>Release 2 games in 2017, one is overwhelmingly positively reviewed and the other's worst crime is just being aggressively mediocre>"Time to kill this franchise that's been struggling for 10+years now that it's starting to recover lmao"I don't hate Sega enoughI don't hate Sonic Team enough
>>748272530Superstars is worse than mid simply because of how mid it was. Galling to play that game after Sonic Mania, such a waste of time and effort
I'd like to see a Sonic game that is heavily inspired by those little animations you see during the end credits of Sonic CD. https://youtu.be/wJr1pNBzTCQ?t=52Sonic is fast, but he doesn't always have to be running at 500mph, he can slow down and do cool shit.
Sonic is amusing because it's such a fucking fixable IP. One of the few that would be genuinely better off in the hands of fans.We could have had Mania 3 by now and maybe even something like their attempt at a retro Saturn-style 3D Sonic. All competitively low budget titles that could be sold for cheaper and sell big. Commission more of those Mania-style animations and you'd have a serviceable show to shill products to kids with too.Instead SEGA tries to reinvent the wheel every single fucking Sonic game, does so poorly, prices it among AAA games and puts it on sale shortly after release.
>>748273168there's so many fucking fangames that try to be a saturn sonic game and they're all "one zone" demos.
>>748231253Reminder when sega funneled 100m to Hyenas, the game that never came out? lmao.
Outcome Memories with the exe shit swapped out for iconic series villains could be a cool concept.Also get it off Roblox, and put it in the hands of people that will actually get shit done instead of making an endless amount of dev-exclusive characters.Lord knows the asym genre needs more competition with how dogshit DbD is.
>>748273342>Lord knows the asym genre needs more competition with how dogshit DbD is.if anything the game should be more like dragon ball the breakers instead of dead by daylight.
>>748231253they should cancel it anywaysonic was literally never good, it sold only on marketing because DUDE MARIO BAD, well guess who has better game design 30 years later
>>748273235AI assistance will very soon be able to create the Sonic games of our dreams
>>748233283The first 2 games on Genesis were good.
>>748273359Mega Man 11 sold more than any Mega Man game. Dual Override is looking to be 11 but bigger and better, with more features that'll make it so even people who would normally get filtered by Mega Man games can enjoy them, while everyone else can still play how they want.Basically you're a delusional retard.
>>748273702Valve buys Sonic
>>748231253If the movie was such a hit, they should bring its redesign back into the game, and get rid of the stupid mono-eye thing for good!
October 9Don't forget it
>>748273647I never quite liked 2 but loved 3.
>>748273547Sonic
>>748273882Nobody gives a fuck.
>>748255808It's both anonAlways been both
>>748273978Well, they should
>>748274095>hurr durr me hold drift button in the funny box
>>748274139What
>>748274175What? The 9th is the World Championship finals for CrossWorlds. That's all it's gonna be.
>>748235206this cracka know what's up
>>748235206i don't know why people shit on it so much. the only truly bad part is Wacky Workbench. it should've been cut in favor of R2 (which was probably just a Marble Zone reimagining, like most of the zones in this game)
>>748232204literally only crossworlds
>>748235206Happy Anniversary CD!!!!
>>748274738not in it's current state
>>748274578I on the other hand don't get the hate for Wacky Workbench. In a series all about ball physics, you get to have fun bouncing around all over the place if you mess up your platforming, instead of just dying like normal.
>>748274796Online is fucked but the game itself still fun. Only sucks there's not many single player options
>>748275147I can agree with that. I spend a lot of time grinding Race Park because online sucks major dick, but I'm bored at this point. Year 2 needs a major meta shakeup or something.
>>748275147the netcode is really bad too
>>748269387Kirby isn't first party like Splatoon or Zelda.If anything, it's the lack of Samus that's odd.
>>748232204sonic
