Why was Arthas like this
Goddamn this game is fucking ugly
>why did the crown prince concern himself with the welfare of his country to the detriment of his relationships and own lifegolly gee i wonder why
>>748235413it looks magical when combined with the environment and viewed mostly top down
>>748235486a boy king his age should have done more Jaina plapping less pretending to know better than Uther the GOAT
>>748235782He was also an adult paladin in WC3, though
>>748235951actually though if he just listened to UtherLordaeron would still be around and thriving
>>748236253>Lordaeron would still be around and thrivingno it wouldnt itd still be an undead kingdomarthas was in a no win scenario
>>748236253Stratholme would have become a fortress for the undead forces where they could rapidly fortify and march into Lordaeron.
>>748236538Not all of it would be undead if evil Arthas and his lich daddy didn't accelerate the scourge so much
>>748235572or you're just a blizzard cultist who is used to eating shit
>>748236795no dumbass, the graphics are incredible and timeless, the stylized look keeps them relevant decades later, I like the definitive Ed new ones too but still lots of issues they need to work out sticking w the classic
>>748235413Zoom zoom
>>748236795You realize this game was made over 20 years ago for toaster PCs. The game was designed to give visual clarity for 100 units fighting each other at the same time while spells and particles are flying all over the place. You are rage baiting. Either anti blizzard as a whole (who doesn’t realize old blizzard =\= nu-blizzard) or you are anti-gamer history because you exist only to consume, complain, and destroy
>>748235308If Uther killed all those infected counts like a good little paladin none of this would have happened.
>>748235308I'm on the orc campaign now. It's funny that the orcs are like>we just want to find a home without all this senseless violenceand then immediately starts ethnically cleansing the centaurs, kobolds, and murlocs who already live there.
>>748235413its fucking funny looking. i used to care about this shit, but the older i get the less i care, if not outright enjoy graphics that are so shit that its downright abstractt. 26 year old zoomer who grew up with WC3 (huge in scandinavia)
>>748236664Letting one of the largest cities become an undead hub would have sped things up along too.
>>748240368keyword: senseless. centaurs, kobolds and murlocs are violent savages and vermin that will attack you on sight.
>>748240492The graphics, while dated, also serve their purpose. Go do some matches on the old and the reforged graphics, and the reforged ones, while they are higher fidelity, don't work well as RTS units, the armies just get muddied together while the original ones are still readable.
>>748240614exactly. its easy to forget that WC3 is a birds eye view game where you dont really look at shit up close outside of portraits and cutscenes.
>>748240368>and then immediately starts ethnically cleansing the centaurs, kobolds, and murlocs who already live there.they literally attack you
>>748240865You're literally invading their coastline, and majority of the army has already arrived and been attacking them.
>>748240368The centaurs in particular were terrorizing the tauren.The kobolds, quillboars, and murlocs were hostile on sight. The orcs didn't wipe out the trolls on the island either.
>>748240368Horde are faggot hypocritesThe humans let the orcs live when they could have slaughtered them allLook how they repay them at Theramore
>>748241034People bitch about sylvanas being too evil but that's how the horde is supposed to be. The whole noble savage thing was always a huge misstep.
>>748240970Experience from Lordaeron and the Darkspear Island made them know Murlocs are hostile.The quillboars you could make an argument for Kobolds only started attacking when Ogrimmar was being expanded and instead of wiping them out, they just sealed their tunnels
>>748241153I don't mind Sylvanas being evil, but in later WoW expansions she went from self serving evil to just cartoonishly evil and retarded.
Why did Ner'zhul want Arthas? How long was he waiting to execute his master plan? What the fuck did he even want in the long run? Why did the Dreadlords even bother with him? Like they had no plan or capability to invade Azeroth without some retarded ass plague that only affected what was arguably the weakest species inhabiting the planet? The fuck?I love when an otherwise generic tragedy becomes wrapped up in convoluted nonsense full of idiot plots and poor players just to disguiae how shallow and nonsensical the lot of it really is. Warcraft is such dogshit writing and worse still; it was and still is the most mechanically-deficient, baby-tier RTS on the market.Battle.net was pretty fun tho.
>>748236616>Stratholme would have become a fortress for the undead forces where they could rapidly fortify and march into Lordaeron.instead stratholme became a fortress of the undead with rivendare as their leader, so nothing would be different
>>748240368centaurs are an abomination that doesnt need to exist, you can also kill as many kobolds and murlocs as you want, is literally impossible to get rid of them
>>748241609>centaurs are an abomination that doesnt need to existBro don't you keep up with Warcraft lore, Centaur aren't inherently evil abominations only born to hate now, there are actually wholesome chungus centaur with heckin doggos that you can boop the snoot and they are really nice and progressive and actually fought in the war of the ancients!!!
>>748241932>don't you keep up with Warcraft loreno.
>>748241975Based, avoid it at all costs it has been raped beyond all recognition.
>>748241517i always thought he wanted arthas not just because he was a strong paladin but also because of what he representedheir to lordaeron, probable future successor of uther, extremely talented warrior, charismatic, loved by the peopleif he corrupts and turns someone like arthas to the side of the scourge, its a gigantic morale blow to pretty much every single faction that knows anything about humanity which helps the burning legion's plan alongthen he actually gets arthas, realized 'oh shit this guy is actually pretty fucking good' then starts trying to squirm out from under archimonde's thumb with arthas as his champion
>>748241609Gelkis/Magram centaur were cool Dragonflight "you must witness this gay wedding to continue the campaign" centaurs is when i quit
>>748235308Like what?
>actually if we didnt kill the people before they became zombies and killed other people lordaeron would still be around!Arthas' logic was completely sound. The people were already doomed. The Culling of Stratholme is one of the best examples of the trolley problem. You pull the lever and kill one person to save five people. You dont pull the lever and the one person lives, turns into a ghoul, and the five people you thought you saved die anyway, they just die because of you in a more indirect way.
>>748235308TOTAL HIGH ELF DEATH
>>748235413it looks perfect from top down, meanwhile you can get 1000 modern "developers" to create top down strategy and they won't be able to make anything look as close to it
>>748235413It was ugly even when it was new
Could Arthas stop Jailor's nefarious scheme with the help of Daniel?
>>748242327It depends.
>>748235308lil’ timmy had just eaten corrupted grain so it was justified.
>>748242327INSANE levels of foreshadowing from Daniel.
>>748242240Adolf logic
>>748235413>zoomers too stupid to comprehend a game with tons of moving units on screen cannot go for a hyper realistic arstyle or high polygon count
I’m glad they haven’t brought back Arthas because I just know they’d ruin him if they did.
>>748242589>I’m glad they haven’t brought back ArthasOh no
>>748242589Well... they did in Shadowlands. They met the last ember of his soul so that sylvanas could have a girlboss monologue before it flickered away, permakilling arthas forever
>>748242589They turned him into a blue fart cloud
>>748242589They already did bring him back, and also they did already ruin him.Also, I know it's a trite meme at this point to complain about zoomers, but zoomers literally cannot imaging how hype the frozen throne ending cinematic was at the time it came out. They have never experienced anything like that in the time they've been alive.
>>748237951>>748242497>ZDSBorn in'94. The game is fucking ugly, yes more polygons is better, no the "artstyle" isn't carrying the look. It looks like shit.>>748242257You can see the top down shots all in this thread and it still looks like garbage. The disproportionate everything, giant feet, everything is triangular. It's fine to say the game didn't age well.>>748242263I believe it, I didn't play PC games outside of a few physical I had in the late 90s and early 2000s(Pharoah, C&C, RTC/ZTC) and some popcap games. I only really started post 2010 after I graduated and could buy a computer. The cartoony art styles have never worked for pc games imo. Shit like WoW and league look terrible too.
>>748242678>foreverehehehehe
>>748236253Naeh Stratholme was too big of a meat factory to leave in the hands of the undead.If Arthas doesn't go to northrend because he listens to Uther though, Terenas would live, but how much would that really help is the question when the undead forces are much larger.Arthas & Uther would be fighting against increasingly larger undead forces.Lordaeron would probably still be fucked, but everything would be delayed.Worst case scenario Ner'Zhul wouldn't have his champion, the scourge border is at the thandol span, but once the undead reach Kalimdor they'd be much better prepared to deal with Archimonde.I assume they'd find some other summoner than Kel'Thuzad as a lich, since that wasn't even the burning legion plan.Best case scenario, Lordaeron barely survives and tirisfal is fine, but there's still a plaguelands.So better off, but even better if Uther at first listened to Arthas and then kept him from chasing Mal Ganis.
>>748242239Another lore point that has been retconned is that becoming undead corrupts your very soul, prolonging your suffering as an abomination without rest. He didn't kill the people just so they wouldn't turn, he was literally trying to save their souls from damnation.
>>748242678Chuddies (= anything you like or have liked) btfo'd.
>>748242776All they did was put an important character in a cuck chair, where he did nothing noteworthy.
>>748241517I think Ner'Zhul wanted someone who was strong and someone he could manipulate. Arthas vengeful side was something that Ner'Zhul could bait with.>that only affected what was arguably the weakest species inhabiting the planet? The fuck?At the start of RoC, the strongest faction is probably Night Elves or what remains of the Alliance of Lordaeron*, followed by Quel'Thalas.Even without the alliance, Lordaeron was probably still #2 behind the night elves.*officially at that point only Lordaeron, Dalaran, Kul Tiras, Stormwind and Khaz Modan remained in the alliance.Stromgarde, Gilneas and Quel'Thalas left because internment camps were too kind to orcs.
>>748242240what an asshole
>>748242854>It's fine to say the game didn't age well.not really, because that is wrong. The game aged extremely well.
>>748242854>You can see the top down shots all in this thread and it still looks like garbage.No, you can't. None of the two other images ITT are from gameplay. They are both from angled cutscenes where the camera is closer to the ground. The game aged fine, because its artstyle keeps the visuals interesting and lends itself to the lower poly models, and the game looks just good in motion besides. Visuals and animations are also absolutely perfect for telling what's going on in gameplay
>>748240492>t. 26 year old zoomerAnon... I
>>748235413I will skull fuck you
>>748242327kek
>>748235308Activision should remake the first 3 warcraft games
>>748240970>You're literally invading their coastlinekalimdor does not belong to the centaurs, they are a tribal society ruled by local warlords. They don't have borders or statehood, but they attack everyone else on sight and enslave them if captured. Orcs did nothing wrong and I'm not even a hordefag
I don't care if the gameplay of Warcraft Forever gets ruined or cucked out or retailed or whatever just please fucking PLEASE have at least one writer who can use this alternate timeline reset to salvage the setting and make it cool again.
>>748250290Yeah, and make it Warcraft 4.
>>748235308he was past redemption
>>748250290The writing of WC3 Forsaken Kingdoms gave me a little hope, it seems like they are un-retarding Sylvanas for one.
>>748238637>100 unitsare you making armies out of peons or LARPing yourself? most combat units cost 2+ units of food not to mention each hero is 5
>>748235308Woman here. I have never fantasized about a man like that
>>748250546Original Sylvannas was actually a cool character, i think that's why there are people who get so upset at how badly her modern (like ten years old lol) pivot was, there were so many ways she could have gone and they chose the absolute worst shit imaginable.
>>748235413YOU ARE PAST REDEMPTION
>>748250651Yeah, she was a pretty decent character and the WC3 thing seems to be leaning more into her old character where she wasn't a fucking stupid idiot mustache twirler.
>>748242240Based
>>748235782Uther’s only argument was>nooo think of the childrenliterally zero foresight
>>748250546>un-retarding Sylvanaslmao cmon
>>748250290>nuBlizz>making something coolHow delusional are you?
>>748241517Why did Ner'Zhul and/or dreadlords bother to hide Frostmourne and put a warning label on it?
>>748242240I love how he hates people giving him trouble the most, so vindictive he is about it.
>>748250546It was written by another team so I'm not going to put much hope in Sylvanas, be happy when she returns, or forgive her. Not until she shows her tummy again, because then I'll know they are serious about making her who she were.
>>748241932>Bro don't you keep up with Warcraft loreYeah, and that bullshit you just said is why.
>>748251673>Sylvanas is somewhat haughty to him>In response, he has her raped to death by Undead before tearing out her soul and raping that as well
>>748252478Two elfgates two rapes.
>>748235308I wanna play Warcraft and Diablo but I need to know.Are the versions on Blizzard's website zogged or are did they leave the writing and everything alone?
>>748235413I agree, Warcraft fantasy in general is fucking hideous.
>>748252478And she's been thinking about that undead prince dick ever since. It's made her go mad how good it was.
>>748236253If he listens to cuckther, the entire eastern kingdoms would look like the plague lands. The undead plage ravaged the entire (now known as the) plague lands in a matter of days. If arthas hadn't culled the spread of the plague there, in less than a month ironforge would fall, then stormwind
The new campaign pretty much states outright that Arthas launching the purge was all according to the Cult's plans from the start. It was a no-win situation and Arthas walked right into it.
>>748252896What do you mean, no win? What if he culled the city (because then undead would just spread from it anyway, and that's assuming he actually had enough men and time to do it), and then NOT fucked off north to get corrupted.
>>748252478her fault for powersliding straight into his sword
>>748235308Timmy having a BLAST!!!
>>748252896Very bizarre Ner'zhul didn't predict Arthas' big brain overtaking the Lich King persona.
>>748236253Lets pretend Arthas listened to Uther, how would they have dealt with Stratholme?
>>748235308I wonder what was Arthas and then the Lich King tax policy?
>>748253052That was according to the Jailers plan. Ner'Zhul wasn't smart enough to see that coming.
>>748252985>What if he culled the city (because then undead would just spread from it anyway, and that's assuming he actually had enough men and time to do it), and then NOT fucked off north to get corrupted.Then the legitimacy of the Menethil line would be called into question by Baron Rivendare, who would easily feign innocence over the situation. The resulting political turmoil would still provide the perfect grounds to launch the Cult's coup and rebellion.Arthas' fall was an ultimately important but not wholly integral part of the Cult's plan.
>>748253102>>748252779>>748251304Uther is a wise guy and he'd have found a humane way to contain it
>>748252896I mean yeah Mal'Ganis is the one that baited Arthas into it. The whole scenario was designed to morally corrupt him. Then afterwards Mal'Ganis baits him into going to Northrend and sealing the deal.
>>748241523>instead stratholme became a fortress of the undead with rivendare as their leaderThat was after Arthas' return from Northrend.They show later in the game that the humans took it back and were clearing the corpses.
>>748253259nigga lordaeron city fell and the citizens were turning into undead and uther STILL didn't know what the fuck to do
>>748240865Maybe you shouldn't go in their homes
>>748242240Didn't know Trump was quoting Arthas, pretty based
So in review;>Arthas doesn't purge StratholmeMal'ganis leads an army of Undead against Lordaeron's army and the Silver Hand, either wiping them out or crippling them. Rivendare leads the Cult in a coup against Terenas, destroying Lordaeron. The Scourge march on Quel'thalas, Kel'thuzad is resurrected.>Arthas purges Stratholme but doesn't leaveNews spreads that the Crown Prince not obly disbanded the Silver Hand but wiped out an entire city on dubious evidence, which only he and his immediate loyalists can speak for. Rivendare uses this as a catalyst to launch a coup. Lordaeron is destroyed and turned, Quel'thalas is assaulted, Kel'thuzad is resurrected.>Arthas purges Stratholme and leavesArthas is corrupted by Frostmourne and returns to destroy Lordaeron. Quel'thalas burns. Kel'thuzad returns.What was the winning play here?
>>748254016>Rivendare uses this as a catalyst to launch a coup. Lordaeron is destroyed and turned,debatable
>>748242240Then WoW squanders this bit and most of Silvermoon is okay and the Sunwell is brought back anyway
>>748253180Why must you remind me of that fucking character
>>748254153>>748254016in fact, more likely that coup happens when he leaves, which might make more for a sensible backup plan on their part, in case the Stratholme turning undead doesn't work out
>>748254016>Rivendare uses this as a catalyst to launch a coup. Lordaeron is destroyed and turnedI really doubt he's suddenly going to make the kingdom rise up against their king, who didn't even have anything to do with the purging. Like, why didn't he do that anyway?
>>748253259Uther didn't do shit to help anyone except try to pull arthas back from northrendThe only even remotely positive outcome is to let Arthas pull the lever and let that trolley hit the one Stratholme then actually stick with him to validate his decision as the right one without him losing his soul in the north. The other option means letting the undead trolley run over all of Lordaeron while sitting on your hands because a true undead plague is that fucking awful to deal with.
>>748254016>What was the winning play here?Uther and Jaina both stop being pussies and help Arthas do the thing and then slap him in the back of the head when he suggests following the big bald demon into an obvious trap.
>>748254016How hard would it be to find some more plagued grain and show people how fucked up it is, I doubt they ate or destroyed all of it, plus they could probably get some mages or warlocks in to look for evidence of Mal'Ganis
>>748254153>>748254312Was kinda glossing over it for time but the purge would give enough leverage to shake the monarchy's foundation in order to expand or better prepare the Cult. It would take longer, but wouldn't be a major setback in the overall plan.>>748254214In the case of Arthas leaving then Rivendare would remain in standby going by Mal'ganis' plan to corrupt Arthas.
>>748254387Bigger question is how that shit even works. Cities have granaries. Over time people would start to use plagued grain, but not all people at once, so only SOME people would be turning undead and gradually.
>>748254553Rivendare was specifically in on it and made sure the tainted grain was dispensed. Evidence of it woule be destroyed either by the Cult or during the Purge.
How come Sylvanas got to have a big redemption from what she did but Arthas is treated as mega satan hitler for arguably doing the exact same things?
>>748254643writer's favorite
>>748250548Anon I’m glad someone familiar with the game is here to call our LARPers, but you went too far the other way. There are more game modes than just try hard 1v1 melee ladder. A 4v4 or god forbid a custom game can easily hit 100+ units.
>>748235308why are jaina's shoulders so broad
>>748254643https://youtu.be/tOGv9Y5aAoY?t=105She's talking about (You) by the way, the old Warcraft player.
>>748252896That's the plan in the original game. Kel'thuzad said just as much.
>>748255120you can tell arthas pulled those eyebrows like the reins of a whirly and spirited horse while making her deepthroat him a bit
>>748254643If you are a hot girl everything can be forgiven.
>>748241517The Jailor told the dreadlords told Nerzhul that he needed Arthas so he could kill Sylvanas and res her so she will become Jailor's agent in the future.
>>748251328D2 reign of the warlock was cool.
>>748236795I wish I could filter by age and country, I hate talking to you retards so fucking much.
What do you guys think about the new WC3 Arthas?
All Medivh's faultHe had one job to properly warn Lordaeron and he screwed up bigly
>>748255809>warns you once>you say no>leaves
>>748255730that's some fan model isn't it there is no arthas model which is part of why there's no tft or roc campaigsn in DE graphics 'yetI'll buy their DLC when they drop the DE graphics for the original campaigns then play through them + the new onehear the new one is decent, just its an rpg campaign ala rexxar, not RTS, but what can u do
>>748255939Meanwhile he warns Thrall and Malfurion via dreams multiple times
>>748235308Should I finish Warcraft 3? Never got past mission 4 or 5 as a kid./
>>748255809>Tell the truth>pic related wall bang you with arrows
>>748256096Yes? Fun to be had in every single campaign
>>748255945I play through the entire campaign and I like it. I got myself softlock once so you might want to hold off until they fix it.The new campaign can be quite brutal from time to time. It's not unexpected since tomoraider was involved.
>>748254016>What was the winning play here?You realize that it's a badly written greek tragedy and power thru the bullshit.
>>748256504yeah i've heard its hard but it can't be that bad on normal which is what I'll play on either way i hope they put out DE graphics for the campaigns soonDE graphics are good, they just need to fix the goofy portraits and shit like tone down the colors just a bit
>>748256056>be one of the most powerful mages in lore>personally comes to you from across the continent and warns you some shit is about to go down>get ignoredyeah id do the samethrall and malfurion are diffrrent one was an orc who didn't know who Medivh was and had a bad history with humans and the other one was in the emerald dream
>>748256717He did not introduce himself nor mention the crucial parts about the Burning Legion, Lich Kang/Nerzhul, the plague turning humans into zombies and Dreadlords running about.
>>748247352zoomers are entering their 30s
>>748256789I'm pretty sure everyone who was in some position of power knew who medivh was
There was no way he could have won.The Jailor planned for every single possibilities.
>>748235782>>748235308Didn’t Arthas and Jaina fuck like rabbits while they were teens? That’s why Arthas was “like this,” he already had his fill of that pussy.
>>748256886Jaina was dating Kael for a while before that. Used goods.
>>748256717>suddenly show up>don't introduce yourself>give no details and just spout vague warnings>leave when people don't decide to pack up the entire kingdom and sail to another continent within 20 seconds
>>748256886pic rel is canon of young jaina and arthasyou're kinda right maybe she was a starfish...
>>748256945They never dated Jaina was Kael's oneitis. Jaina already had a crush on Arthas
>>748256991>don't introduce yourselfHe's not that stupid.>>748257098Make sense. Elves are pathetic.
>>748254643Sylvanas wasn't redeemed nor forgiven. She's spending the rest of eternity in Super Hell, and even she thinks she deserves to be stuck there. She's only ever coming out if there's extra-dimensional bullshit that Death can counteract, and immediately after that she's going back.
>>748257159>He's not that stupidYes, yes he was that stupid.
>>748256864That's why his name was "Prophet" and not Medivh?
>>748252607
>>748257262>She's spending the rest of eternity in Super Hellshe already left once to save the day from all the void bullshit
>>748256945Jaina is one of them old family royal whores, her family's existence is to provide wives to future princes/kangz Notice how Jaina did not really settle down after WC3? No way she's accepting copper league dudes after dating Kael and getting nutted inside ArthasHer only real choices was a kang who truly loved his wife that he even ignored his hot High Elf lieutenant or a really young prince who's like bethroted to a negress (thanks Blizzard)
>>748256504I'll wait until they release a proper RTS campaign.
>>748257373Yeah because that's counteracted by Death. She immediately went back to Hell once she did her thing.
>>748257409What if you made one yourself, anon?
>>748257262Arathor and Alleria already had dialogue where they consider forgiving her, and you know NuBlizz can't into subtlety or not writing their own opinions onto characters. And Tyrandewho?
>>748242497It looks terrible even compared to its contemporaries in the genre. Garithos going on about humanity is fucking funny because his model is so abstract as to barely register as one.
>>748242240THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
>>748253052It's genuinely the result of the fanbase being retarded. Originally they were merged as a new composite being. Fans get asking Blizzard what this meant so they changed it to "lol Arthas won, it's just Arthas".
>>748254643Drastically different writing quality and authorial intent. Arthas was written as a Faustian anti-hero who becomes the villain, he kept riding on "the end justifies the means" until the means became the end. Sylvanas was written just so people could play undead characters in World of Warcraft.
>>748257159there're much better ways to communicate and he choose one of the least belieavable method possible. at least tell the people via their dream first before confront them irl, oblivion style, would make it much easier.his cryptic bullshit cost millions of life. what a fucking retard.
>>748257375It's far too late, she's going gray ffs
>>748236253>actually though if he just listened to UtherLordaeron would still be aroundHe wanted to wait to "find a cure" that has not been found since.
>>748257680No, it's mostly them adding retarded shit to WotLK, where Arthas, after becoming Lich KIng, has to overtake Ner'Zhul, and throw away his hearth, and other retarded shit.
>>748235413Warcraft 3 is still one of the most aesthetically pleasing games ever released. Only Vanillaware games are prettier.
>>748241517>baby tier RTSLmao way to out yourself as retarded contrarian, the skill ceiling of WC3 is absolutely through the roof and only rivaled by SC1. You suck ass and should never be allowed to talk pvp games
If Medivh introduced himself no one would believe him since its common knowledge that he was killed and he'd be called impostor so it's understandable that he didn't bother introducing himself.However omitting critical information that the Burning Legion is back and planning an invasion by kneecapping Lordaeron via a rice plague and even enticing the young prince to chase his own madness was just a severe miscalculation.Terenas, Uther and Antonidas fought in WC2 and would have stopped for a minute if the Burning Legion was mentioned. They highly likely wouldn't follow Medivh to the letter but more human ships would have sailed into Kalimdor including Arthas himself under orders from his father. Lordaeron would still get cratered but Kalimdor would have way more Alliance population.
>>748257275>I AM MEDIVH THE DEMON SUMMONER. THE STARTER OF WW1Nah, he's vague on purpose so the king wouldn't start asking for his identity which puts him in the situation where he has to dodge the question.
>>748252896>The new campaign pretty much states outright that Arthas launching the purge was all according to the Cult's plansHow is this news? Of course the purge was to bait Arthas. Mal'Ganis even taunts him and tells him where exactly where to go.
Arthas didn't do nothing wrong.
>>748257956This was a change added in due the fans continually failing to understand "No we are one" despite the devs explaining it in talks.>"Arthas and Ner'zhul have become a perfect fusion of one being - Arthas' personality and body with Ner'zhul's wisdom, experience, power and EVIL." -Chris Metzen,By WotLK they appeared to have just given the fuck up and turned into the Arthas power hour through the retcon that Arthas banished Ner'zhul's personality (and Mattias Lernher or whatever the fuck his name is).
>>748258030Tides of Darkness is pretty hard ...
>>748253259>Uther is a wise guyUther is a pussydin when things gets really bad all he can do is go down on his knees and pray
>>748257514>Arathor and Alleria already had dialogue where they consider forgiving her,Arathor flat out visited her in the Maw and she flat out said she's not leaving unless there's an emergency since she's respecting her punishment.Naturally it was Tyrande who gave that punishment and Blizz certainly doesn't give a fuck about her.
>>748253259>UtherLets see:>when the culling came Uther failed not only the crown by disobeying royalty but also the light by refusing to save the people in Stratholme he believed were still alive>when Arthas returned and killed his father, Uther locked himself inside the throne room with the king's corpse while Lordaeron Capital went to shit>when Lordaeron land got overrun with the cult and the undead, Uther gave a TOWN GUARD the order to clear the land of both while he went to safety to get reinforcements, and he only got back after the job got done>when it was time to retake Andorhal, Uther once again told the Town Guard to charge in by himself while he "ambushed the stragglers outside"Uther is a gigantic pussy and brainless too, he had all the time since the Culling of Stratholme to the Fall of Lordaeron Capital to think of a plan to save people from undeath and he failed to do so.
>>748259979he needed Arthas at his side..
>>748236616If you visit Stratholme in WoW, it's filled with undead. Arthas's actions failed to stop anything.
>>748235308i was playing hots the other day and there's a line about wanting jaina to be his lich queen
>>748257375>No way she's accepting copper league dudes after dating Kael and getting nutted inside ArthasKael never got to smash>Her only real choices was a kang who truly loved his wife that he even ignored his hot High Elf lieutenant or a really young prince who's like bethroted to a negressI've bee away from retail for so long I don't even know who the first one is. As for Anduin, I remember there were strong hints that Taelia would become his queen. But there was some outcry on the forums after that quest where they meet. Apparently a lot of faggots had headcanon that Anduin was gay and cried about this. Blizz never actually confirmed Anduin and Taelia would become lovers, but sometimes I wonder if those plans were aborted because some idiots complained.
>>748253259The underlying meta theme of the Human and Undead campaigns in RoC is that Lordaeron, particularly shown through Uther, are old school Fantasy characrers against a new age threat. It's an almost overt critique on the evolving nature of Fantasy as a genre, in that that archetypical style "Good guy Humans/Elves/Dwarves fight bad guy Orcs/Ogres/Dragons", which Warcraft 2 had followed, is now on the way out in public tastes.By sticking to his supposedly tried and true methods, Uther ultimately invites both his own destruction and that of Lordaeron, refusing to compromise on his stance as he believes compromise isn't needed and everything will be fine if he 'sticks to the script'. The broader strokes of this also pead to Arthas becoming a darker of King Arthur, arguably one of the most mainstream Fantasy names, in that he damns himself and his kingdom by retrieving his 'sword in the stone' via Frostmourne.What perhaps makes this more poignant is that it's not a subversion performed via parody; Uther is never really portrayed as a bad or even truly incompetent person. He lacks the full details and does the best that he can with what he has, but that ultimately ends up not being enough and he is overtaken by the 'new age' foes that are the Undead, being led by their heavy metal Evil Prince.There is further theming along these lines in other campaigns, sometimes more overt, but Uther in particular stands out under scrutiny.
>>748261539my boy Anduin can definitely do better than this
>>748261539>Taelia>another Kul Tiras whoreKul Tiras women have great pussy that all royals seem to gravitate toward them.
>>748261539>>748261632>>748261637Anduin canonically loves Draenei women from his time at the Exodar learning under Velen. He wants to be BALLS DEEP in Space Goat pussy.
>>748240368Metzen wanted to have their cake and eat it too, by having Thrall be the wise noble heroic orc, yet most orcs still be "metal" by being raiding, murdering, plundering "blood and thunder" savages.What's hilarious about this is that Blizzard unintentionally proved race realism by accident.
>>748261983*Metzen and other higher ups that loved orcsI meant to say
>>748261835how are stormwind draenei relations these days
>>748261835Do you have some visual material regarding this?
>>748261835Anduin has a crush on Nova in HOTS
Desu Anduin should just impregnate TyrandeNight Elves get keked
>>748262210always forget we almost got a 3rd person starcraft
>>748262095Unchanged since TBC.>>748262206It's in one of the short stories from around Cata>>748262210That's a reference to Valerian in SC2, who just so happens to also be a blonde prettyboy prince with a strained relationship with his father and who also happens to have the same VA as Anduin.
>>748252661>Warcraft fantasyas opposed to warcraft 40k?
>>748261835Boy, do I have some BAD NEWS for Anduin.
>>748261607Man the Blood Elves really do stick out like a sore, special snowflake, thumb. Adding them to the Horde was a mistake. They should have found another way to add a pretty race.Otherwise great take.
>>748242240>say less my king
>>748262297gone but not forgotten
>>748262643wait do dwarfs and elves beef in warcraft?i don't remember from wc3 and i dont play w*w
i never played wowwho the fuck was Kil'jaeden or whoever that guy was that was behind Illidan?
>>748235308>Trained by Uther >Banging Jaina (Or she wanted him to bang her)>Heir to Lorderan >Handsome >Threw it all away to become a servant of an even greater evil >Greater evil makes Arthas believe he is a "king" when he himself is a slave. >Terrorizes all of Azeroth >Goes to the after-life>Your mentor casts you into what is essentially Hell as "judgement" for your crimes>Soul is all but obliterated >Fades away from everyone's minds >Blizzard writes Arthas off for good >Meanwhile, Jaina becomes an Orc fucker >Becomes heavily attached to Thrall, a married Orc, for some reason. >Becomes cold, masculine, and tactical >Writers make her blonde hair turn white because of arcane fallout in her 30's, making her look ugly/old. >Is now in her mid 40's. >Unmarried >GIRLBOSS >Anduin>Goes insane after Shadowlands >Vanishes for years >Becomes a hermit >Sissified >Needs handicapped and minority women to convince him he can help people >No confidence >DON'T WORRY THE GIRLBOSS SQUAD WILL SAVE AZEROTH >Feminism I almost feel like Blizzard wanted the player to feel sorry for Arthas in the Shadowlands. Players more excited thinking we'd get to talk with Arthas and see him in a redeemed or see him in his human form at least. I can at least agree that a lot of characters were assassinated/butchered as the game went on. Uther, Jaina, Arthas, Thrall, Anduin, etc. I don't even usually give a shit about "woke" nonsense but it's hard to ignore that the writers and staff are highly liberal and LGBTQ. The game became a safe haven for liberals and LGBTQ people, so Blizzard ended up catering to them since the staff are of the same mind. They don't want to offend anyone's happy virtual space where they can escape away from reality of being bullied for being LGBTQ and vegan or whatever. Legion was the last decent expansion that I really enjoyed and played regularly when it first launched. Illidan carried it, but it introduced a lot of neat stuff imo.
>>748262846I think night elves had beef with them and gnomes for as long as cataclysm at least but those tree huggers hated everyone who's used anything as advanced as a plunger before
>>748235413
>>748262860Archimonde's boss.
>>748262860The WC3 manual explains thishttps://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Warcraft_III:_Reign_of_Chaos_Game_Manual>In his madness, Sargeras shattered the prisons of the Eredar and the Nathrezim and set the vile demons free. The cunning demons, bowing before the dark Titan's vast rage and power, offered themselves to him and swore to serve him in whatever malicious way they could. From the ranks of the powerful Eredar, Sargeras chose two champions to lead his demonic army of destruction.>Kil'jaeden the Deceiver was chosen to seek out the darkest races in the universe and lure them to Sargeras' shadow. The second champion, Archimonde the Defiler, was chosen to lead Sargeras' vast armies into battle against any who would stand against the dark Titan's will.
>>748263080wait so jaina forgot arthas after shadowlands... ?
>>748263080>Legion was the last decent expansionThe last decent expansion was wotlk and even that was a cesspool, you blizztards are incredible lol
>>748263275be for real you're just repeating that because that's what you heard the cool kids mention at some point or in some video essay not cause you played and formed your own opinionsnta but legion was dope
>>748263139>>748263158i seewell i'm glad i didn't get so much into the lorethe more i learn about it the more boring it soundsi just don't like when there is a bad guy and then there is his boss that's somehow more powerful but doesn't do anything and that boss has a super mega boss that also just stands ominously in the backgroundbut thanks for the answers
>>748235413fpbp warcraft 3 was outrageously hideous even when it launched.
Garithos botched a realistic victory. Hard earned as it would have been. This is proven by the still extreme human presence in Lordaeron amongst the Scarlet immediately after.He just needed not to be retarded
>>748263080>the mage who falls for you is an actual coal burning orc lover that helped them kill her fatherYeah I'd go lich king too.
>>748263381It's a bit more nuanced than that. Archimonde and Kil'jaeden are essentially equals in both status and power, Archimonde leads demon armies while Kil'jaeden recruits them; he corrupted the orcs and created the Lich King and Scourge.Sargeras would be the super mega boss but he was originally a good guy that the demons corrupted to their side, and he's been dead/dormant since WC1 so it's more of his memory still having a strong legacy than him watching from the background.
>>748235413>>748263406retarded faggots
>>748235308Why didn't Uther or Jaina even tag along to try to figure out a better alternative? What good came from them literally walking away from him when he needed help most?
>>748235413ZOOMERS BEGONE
>>748263080>characters were assassinated/butchered as the game went on>Uther,nah uther being a spineless retard didn't change
>>748235413Worst take I've ever read on this website in 20 years.
tried playing some warcraft 1non-remaster is way too rough to play, its like 14premastered the style is a bit weird and cartoony but the art in that game is greatthe resource collection is so silly, gold mines depleted asap then you have to haul gold from across the maphopefully in 2 they streamlined things a bit more
>>748254643She was just doing woke 1.Woke 2 will have less redemption.
>>748254643who the fuck cares about retoilet lore
>>748236253No, everything would've been fucked worse. Uther offered no other suggestions and Jaina was a fucking retard since she knew first hand what was going down but chose instead to have a woman moment
>>748255120I've never seen a cutscene ooze with more hatred and vitriol from the writers towards the fans.
>>748264419Before WC1 the player could only move one unit at a time in RTS games. The click and drag box was a huge innovation.
>>748264801tiberian dawn came out the very next year, and its much more advanced in a lot of ways, has the box toowas game dev rly that fast paced back thenaltho im sure warcraft 2 has more qol, it has to
>>748235413Maybe this is more your speed?
>>748253102>send the entire army in there>kill Mal'ganis>scourge ends
>>748265035Yes WC2 is better in every way. Only noteworthy flaw is that aside from spells the human and orc units are mostly identical, though this was true for every RTS until Starcraft.Wish we could've gotten a late 90s 2D Warcraft game too.
How does Arthas cope with the fact he never defeated Uther 1v1?
>>748265320i mostly just spam spear throwers with upgrades
Imagine if Blizzard wasn't owned by shareholders
>>748265220Bold of them to bring out Ras Frostshitter considering he spends all of vanilla locked in a school.Where's Araj the Summoner? That mofo held down Andorhal nice and tight all of vanilla. You needed 5 men to even get close to that chad. All while being out in the open, middle finger defiantly in the air.
>>748265387>he never defeated Uther 1v1?
>>748265656In the original WC3 game Arthas needs an army of ghouls to kill Uther for him. In that video you linked he needs an army of undead to help him to kill Uther. In the Book form of WC3 Arthas is getting killed by uther in a 1v1 until Nerzhul intervenes and helps Arthas kill him.
>>748265706Uther needed the Holy Light to help him.Guess we can all play this game.Arthas brought a few decaying corpses.Uther brought God.
>>748235308Where is the full image for upper left?
>>748265823god doesnt exist in wow. just the different elements
>>748241517>Why did Ner'zhul want Arthas?He is the best mortal champion and also the biggest threat to the Scourge and the Burning Legion on the Eastern Continent.>How long was he waiting to execute his master plan?Well, he needed to put a lot of pieces in place. He needed Kel'thuzad to start his cult, seduce some of the nobility to seek eternal life and for some of the mages to study Necromancy. He needed to spread rumors about Frostmourne with the Dwarves, so they would go on an expedition. Then of course also time to invent the Undead Plague in the first place and make it so infectious you literally turn into a Zombie after eating grain infected with it. I imagine it really needed to be quite potent, because otherwise the virus would just die, if you baked the grain into bread or something. Not that complicated of a plan, but it requires a lot of organizational talent and time.>What the fuck did he even want in the long run?You'd guess he want revenge on Kil'Jaeden for rendering his soul into a fine paste and putting the remains into a block of ice and armor, but he seems to honestly just want to be free of the Burning Legion by removing all of his Dreadlord Jailers. >Why did the Dreadlords even bother with him?Well, he was "punished" for his failure on Dreanor by being bound to an incredibly potent cursed artifact, so they had high expectations for him, as a sort of fantasy bio weapon to create an Undead Army and control it for them.>Like they had no plan or capability to invade Azeroth without some retarded ass plague that only affected what was arguably the weakest species inhabiting the planet?It's like a geopolitical chess game. You stack the odds in your favor. And they could have absolutely failed easily, if a fully operational Alliance was standing ready to delay or stop their summoning attempt.>Warcraft is such dogshit writing and worse stillNah, it all makes sense honestly. It's amazing how coherent everything is up until the start of WOW.
>>748265885https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=4120626>>748264068They didn't wanna dirty their souls w those crimes ig
>HSx-NR4WgAAgTJp.jpgif only mods would do their job.
>Everything after warcraft 2 is non-canon, we're starting over.She has the power to save Warcraft
>>748266078Are you saying the human Alliance would have defeated Archimonde?
>>7482663163 slander is dumb
>>748265564>You needed 5 men to even get close to that chadHunter solos lmao
You have to PAY for Forsaken Kingdom? I thought this was going to be Blizzard apologizing for how dogshit Reforged's release was
>>748254643she was sentenced to do maw dalies, a fate much worse than death
>>748266575The apology was de graphics for the other content WHEN IT ARRIVES kekfor now it's skirmish only besides the new campaign
>>748266341No, but they would have easily prevented his summoning. Arthas was only able to go on a treasure hunt like he did, because the Kingdom of Lordaeron was in turmoil and he defeated the High Elves in a campaign.
>>748265564>Where's Araj the Summoner?I'm like 90% sure he's a secret boss in the Prologue campaign's second mission, hidden behind a fake wall. If you beat him he just goes "Fuck you I'll be back".
Just be glad Warcraft is getting content you fucks.They could easily ignore WC3. It does nothing for them financially compared to other Blizzshit
>>748266575you think they'd ok working on wc3 if they had no monetary incentive? lol
>>748266575>>748267289>>748267362I hope if this DLC does well they'll make the next one a proper rts, I like the rpg campaigns but eh, I need some real blizzard rts content again ffsAlso that Asian dude pulled the project together good for him
>>748267362Okay fair, but it's pretty steep too.
>>748263415Garithos should have ordered all of his men to breed the High Elves
We needed Jaina missions, not some literal whos and more ForsakenslopLike Jaina nuking Orgrimmar after an entire mission of rebuilding Theramore
>>748254016>Dubious evidenceEvery single soldier that fought alongside him, and any survivors of heartglen could attest to the veracity of his claims, and more importantly, so could jaina. SHE LITERALLY HEARD IT STRAIGHT FROM THE SOURCE, KELTHUZAD AND SHE STILL DIDNT HELP ARTHAS BECAUSE SHE'S A RETARDED KUNT
>>748267575He easily could have done this too. We know he had access to Dalaran prisons. Probably could have salvaged the ruins and gifted the belves some crack mana in return for sex sex sex. As seen with the Windrunner sisters, Those Quel Thalas women cannot help themselves.
>>748267628But that didn't happen, they're tieing it into the new stuff I think, besides I hear the new main char is good, I'm glad it's not fully focused on Sylvanas fuck that buckbroken BAC addict
>>748267712Sylvanas did not have BHC thoughArthas should have raped her and given her a halfling undead human x elf babby before turning her into a banshee
>>748267510it would be fine if reforged was free or like $5
>>748267776Sylvanas had Nathanos if you count him. And Anduin lmao
>>748267628>we needed *absolutely retarded nonsensical shit*
>new campaign>its not rts but rather wow-lite just like the rexxar onekwab
>>748267731>But that didn't happenyou don't say...
>>748259979The bes part is that even in shadowlands, in the afterlife , he's still playing the victim and blaming arthas. You stupid nigger, you're the reason it all went down that way. If you had helped arthas there's a very high chance he wouldnt have gone insane. Instead you let your arrogance and hubris cloud your judgement, forcing arthas to shoulder everything alone
>>748266158>know your best student/close friend is going to commit a heinous crime>walk awayHonestly I think Uther had no right yelling at Arthas when he came for the Urn
>>748268171Opposed to whatFighting him?
>>748268171>CrimePurging undead isn't a crime. If anything cuckther broke both his oath to the kingdom and his oath as a paladin in they moment. He personally damned the souls of the people he allowed to turn.
>>748267474"they" did not make anything, some Hive Workshop posters did.
>>748240368The most damning evidence against the orcs comes later. Thrall is really just trying to go against the base nature of his people.
>>748267776>Sylvanas did not have BHC thoughAnd that's why she turned evil.
Okay guys hear me out>Post-RoC NElf Campaign>Malfurion and Tyrande have run off to help Maiev over in Eastern Kingdoms along with every other named NElf>Focus is on a Sentinel leading her forces to Darkshore to make a new settlement in the wake of Hyjal. Eventually Auberdine>Main enemy faction are Naga who keep raiding from the sea and Satyrs who are attacking from Felwood>Partway through NElves meet a Human group from Stormwind led by a Mage who offers to help>NElves and Humans work together to push out the Naga and Satyrs>Establishes why the NElves join the Alliance in WoW, while also hinting that the Sentinel and the Mage fuck
>>748250290ummmm where did you get the thunderbolt warcraft webm from???
>>748268615>Kael didn't get to fuck Jaina*turns evil>Sylvanas didn't give birth to half-human children like Alleria and Vareesa*turns evilI bet Valeera goes evil because Varian didn't put half-human children inside of her
>>748259979>Uther is a gigantic pussy and brainless tooYou don't say.His only Warcraft 2 appearance consists of him shitting himself and running away.
>>748266575The definitive edition texture pack isn't even finished.Campaign exclusive assets aren't made yet i.e. no human Jaina/Arthas skin, and classic/reforged version of Undead Paladin model hasn't been made yet (definitive edition of Undead Paladin is always used in classic mode).
>>748270106>$35 for incomplete graphics>people actually bought this shit incomplete
>>748235413true, but they look SOVL while animated and with full anti-aliasing.
>>748252896New campaign isn't canon
>Uther leaves the last of Lordaeron's defense to random city guards while he does nothing but collect and bury Terenas' corpse and ashes
>>748270106Thanks for letting me know, funny how before I noticed the price tag I was genuinely ready to give Blizzard a compliment.
How should Arthas's story have ended? I think there should've been another showdown with Illidan, Jaina and possibly Thrall.
>>748235308If you kill Timmy, you will never learn of Jailer's plot and the future will be tainted forever! Don't do it!
>>748270974Courteously inviting Kael from the Outland to sit on the Frozen Throne to watch Arthas breeds Jaina with his frozen cock (Kael likes it).
the Paladin hammer in WC3 is one of the least practical weapons I have ever seen.
>>748261607So, uther represent the boomers?
>>748236795Its like a 25 year old game you fucking braindead retarded negro mutt.
>>748242854>>748242263>>748235413You retards wouldn't understand good graphics if they were your dad and showed up again.
>>748236253Why does everyone forget that the scourge was only there to soften them up for the burning legion? After the scourge was done mulching lordaeron they got hit by a full scale legion invasion as well who were just slaughtering whatever was left with no resistance.Also without arthas turning you probably wouldn't have ended up with jaina traveling to kalimdor and saving the world.
>>748271236It was kinda cool for its time. I think they were riffing on the Buster Sword.
>>748235486Part of concerning himself the welfare of his country is ensuring he has a heir that can take up the crown should he die early.If Arthas and his father dies, who does the crown pass to? There are no male Menethils left, only his older sister. The bloodline would die with them. That's severe neglect for someone who supposedly cares so much about his kingdom.Warcraft, like most other settings, completely neglects this aspect of being a ruler or heir of a nation.
>>748235308i still don't get what his plan washow is killing the people of strathholme before mal'ganis does going to change anything? aren't undead raised from the dead in any case?or was he going to burn all the corpses to the point beyond which they could be raised?cause he didn't make that clear at all, or if that is even possibleno wonder uther stormed off
>>748240368You might think that this is because the writers were dumb hacks, but it's actually a commentary on how true cruelty can only flourish if you have a narrative of victimhood for your people.
>>748240368literally everyone does that because they're invasive pests that attack anyone they see
>>748240368Why not?They violate the NAP and they could be used as another source of food.
What’s the best way to play Warcraft 3 now?
>>748272619Blizzard added 1.29.2 version WC3 just 4 months ago.It has true widescreen support, compatible all classic custom maps (except DotA for being made specifically for 1.26 in mind), and it isn't 30GB.
>>748250290Unless the alternate timeline is backwards, too, meaning all the ancient history added by later WoW is fake, there is still no salvaging it.
>>748235413No
>>748270974Same thing how WoW ended him
>>748273904cringe
>>748274230WoW handled Arthas' end fairly and beautifully>died like a KWAB from adventurers>casted down by the man who trained him into Warcraft hell for all the shit he's done>entire being and memory nuked from existence, only Jaina remembers him and not in a good wayHe got a fair deal considering what he did compared to Garrosh who got away lightly and easily.
>>748240368If you think about it Orgrimmar is an analogy to Israel
>>748250290what the fuck was this made by the thunderbolt fantasy guys?FUCK I want a whole season of this...
>>748274420lmao
>>748235413I played it on release and it was considered hideous even back then.
>>748261835I think we all understand the prince's feelings.
>>748277007no it wasn't larping faggot.
>>748250548You know that it isn't just YOUR units right? You are going to be fighting someone.Even... multiple other someones?You could be in a match with 12 players each with 30+ units.Let alone, you know, custom games?Have you ever even played wc3? I think you are the larper if you think 100 units on screen isn't something that happens all the time.
>>748243694>Quel'Thalas left because internment camps were too kind to orcsThat's got to be an awkward history lesson in Horde school.
>>748235413>>748242263it looked incredible when it came out
>>748242240I felt the exact same as Arthas here.
>>748250290puppet KINO
Give it to me straight. Is Warcraft 4 on the table now?
>>748278120no
I wish Jaina had more missions in WC3. I always liked her more than Arthas. She was supposed to be the Jim Raynor of WC3, but the disappears from the game after a 2 missions.She was also ridiculously cute in WC3.
>>748242497WC3 doesnt even have good unit clarity lmao
>>748278120Fuck no. It'll be a miracle if WC3 receives more updates/DLCs.
>>748278219Maybe reforged graphics are more your speed.
>>748277775gods...
>>748278120Maybe. They've got people on board that can make a proper RTS campaign, and with Forever they've already established that they're to committing to at least two separate Warcraft canons, Retail and Forever. May as well make a third canon with the RTS games.
>>748254016The game was rigged from the start
>>748278384There is actually nothing wrong with Reforged graphics, unless you are blind or an autist.
>>748278467What even are those timeline differences?
>>748278219Patently false. You're genuinely braindead.
>>748278557>There is actually nothing wrong with Reforged graphicsthis fucking broccoli head
>>748278192There's no real point to her until this expansion.No one is interested herding humans to sail west, building up basic bitch bases only to get attacked by the Horde and other Kalimdor creep and dungeon crawling to Medivh.Even building up what would become Theramore would be comically dull.
In fact, some units in reforged look SEXO
>>748278580The very existence of sky elves in Forever and not in Retail is already a huge difference. We'll have to see what else happens when Forever actually launches.
>>748278627Nah, you fags just keep parroting what Grubby and other e-sports autists had said, but most people don't play the game at the e-sports level and really aren't autistic enough to cry over the Footman's shield not being rectangular enough.
>>748278413Faith in the Light is optional, but recommended
>>748278687>Reforged Nelf Archer looks cute and sexy>DE Nelf Archer looks like a goblinaI'll stick to Reforged.
>>748278736counterpoint: you're a faggot, a retard, probably have glaucoma and are most certainly a midwit with no aesthetic sensereforged """graphics""" look like overdesigned vomit
>>748266158Where are my manners? I should thank you for that.
>>748242327What did Daniel mean by this?
Killing off the Burning Legion was a mistake.
>>748235782He knew to show restraint when exercising his great power.
>could have had thisinstead got >>748265220
At least Zul'jin and the Amani are still coolOh wait
>>748278676>There's no real point to her until this expansion.What does this "expansion" have to do with Jaina>No one is interested herding humans to sail westOn the contrary, I'm extremely interested
>>748279746Looks like the same ugly smoothed out shit: AI SLOP Edition
