https://archive.is/U0C55You either have your gaming PC now or you don't.
Waitbros….
>>748247428rtx 6060 6 gb lets go
>>748247428fortunately PC gaming is dead. Micron know this
>>748247428Don't worry you can still buy a factory-new 3060 or a literally endless supply of unwanted 9070 XTs which come with the added bonus of being in the exclusive club that gets to pretend DLSS5 looks bad.
>>748247428so they're going to drop in 3gb chips in the slots the 2gb chips went in before, right? surely that means we're getting 50% more memory per card now, right anons?
Can we get some consumer protection laws?>you can't regulate something like thisSure you can
>>748248681>company stops making a prodcutNOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT! WHAT ABOUT MUH GAMES?!
>>748247428So what happens now? no more gpus?
>>748248681explain how you think you can force an organization to make an item
>>748247557There will the be a 3GB version with a 32-bit bus too and everybody will clap.
>>748247428That's okay, I'll just buy AMD
How about instead of whining about bing bing wahoos, you open a brokerage account and buy hardware stocks like Nvidia, Micron and AMD to make some money?
>>748248881you can limit how much they can sell to AI data centers so they have to fill the gap with something else.
>>748248809>>748248881You have to love how cucked your fellow citizens are. Your bait doesnt work btw cause you are on a VIDEO GAMES board.
This is a good thing actually. Think this through anons. You will figure it out.
>>748248809>cartel of corporate behemoths violate antitrust law
>>748249248Games will be optimized again?
>>748248681the USG (using front companies like alphabet) is the one buying up all the chips m8.
>>748249302>makes gas more expensive and sets the stage for the great depression MORE COCK TEDDY ITS PERFECT
>>748249302the cartel is all state run businesses
>>748249248Gaming will finally die?Awesome!
>>748248975Because I don't want to contribute to the problem.>inb4 some cope about how you're always contributing to the problem due to blah blah blah
>>748247428Still works
>>748247428ah yes, the MT68A512M32DF-28:A chips, you will surely be missed.who comes up with these stupid fucking retarded names
You will rent your computing power from The Cloud.
>>748247428this just means the supers are around the corner
Make your final hardware purchases soon. Things will only get more expensive.
>>748247529no one was more cucked than people told to wait
>>748249932
>why isnt Micron making 1gb memory modules anymore. This is a disaster
>tfw 5080 and 9800X3D>tfw the 5080 might burn anytimeIt's a wild ride.
>>748247428one way to look at this is that private investment captial far outweighs consumer captial and can effectively end consumer markets if products are deemed valuable to private enterpriseif you don't hate ai, you are part of the problem
>>748249663also outperformed by a 5060.
>>748250205We should smash every lightbulb for what they did to candlemakers
>>748247428Nothing will happen. You know why? Because Micron is just one of the three memory manufacturers supplying the 50 series. Most of the VRAM used comes from Samsung and Hynix.
I was pretty mad that my computer started dying back in 2024 and had to build a new one but it died so I would be saved from these prices. RIP PC 2013-2024
circus is cancelled
>>748250689I built a new PC in in mid-2024 and I kept it cheap because “I don’t need more than 1080/60”. Boy if I had only known how things would go I would have spent twice as much to future proof.
>>748250909How do you even build a PC that can't go beyond 1080/60? Did you buy everything used?
>>748248681you are delusional my guy
>nooo you MUST give me toys and for the price I CHOOSEguys wtf
>>748250974I bit the bullet earlier this year because even when I know I overspent it is going to get worse, I invested on 1440p@60fps and I'm ok with that.
>>748250909I kept the same budget I had from my old build at 1000-1500 and I'm fine with it, I haven't struggled at anything with 1440p/120fps target so far. The only thing I'm mildly pissed about was not jumping on a $100 4TB SSD price mistake
>>748250140The 5080 doesn't use the retarded power connector of the 4090/5090 so it should be fine unless you randomly find a defect with the card pushing it to its limit. The whole burn meme comes from the absurd power draw in a shit connection design that can easily be loose. Those cables run super nova and if it's loose at all you'll just end up blowing up both ends. It's not to say that it couldn't happen for a 5080, but it's highly unlikely and it would most probably be to due to user error.
>>748251538Most if not all 5080 use 12VHPWR/12V-2x6. You just don't hear them melting as much because 5080 doesn't use as much power. It can still happen but it's usually user error like poor connection or wires being bent awkwardly but 4090 and 5090 can still happen if the user does everything right.
>>748251538>The 5080 doesn't use the retarded power connector of the 4090/5090yes it does
>>748247428people still use PC's for gaming? they're for work and AI lol
>my 3090 has started making grinding sounds
>>748249065That would undermine the capitalist machinery which our red-blooded American nation is based upon.
>>748250983>my guyAmazing how a few words can give away a faggot
>>748249065Why would they do that?
basedi got minefuck you
>>748248681The Guaranteeing Gamers No Overpriced Retail Equipment act.GG NO RE act for short.
>>748250205>private investment captial far outweighs consumer captial and can effectively end consumer markets if products are deemed valuable to private enterpriseWe've known this for a while, but I can't think of it being flexed outside of very niche cases that don't really impact the average joe
>>748248564The 9070's fine.
>>748247428At least in the US we got ahead of the curve and started building our own fabs so hopefully supply should catch up to demand soon
>>748251968Jesus christ anon clean your fucking computer if it's making grinding sounds that means it's full of dust and the fans are sticking
>>748253483>implying they won't ignore the consumer market in favor of juicy enterprise $$$
>>748248853what do you mean that you need more gpus isn't the 3060 8gb enough?
>>748247428Stop being poor.
Bros, I hate the future, everything about it is misery
>>748247428All the 2026 titles i played ran in full ultra 4K ay tracing and what have you w/ 60+ fps and i have a 3090 from 2021. Why do ppl even pretend to need more unless they try to mess with AI models?
>>748248681this, force these niggers to keep making shit for regular consoomers
>>748248681Anon you can't make a law banning jewish people from every thing
>>7482485649070 XT is a good card and DLSS5 still looks like shit 99% of the time. It will get better when it's tuned on a per-game basis. I have a 4090 but I'd be perfectly happy if I 'only' had the 9070. The ps6 isn't going to be any faster.
>>748248681>Can we get some consumer protection laws?
Good. Any good game can be played on a dell optiplex from 2004. You don't "need" more. While our president is fighting for us, you're really gonna bitch about the prices of toys going up? Grow the fuck up.
>>748253434>>748254225The cope begins.
I'm in the process of planning my 2030 build, or at least figuring out what I intend to use. Have you guys been following the news? Several new manufacturers are nearing market debut. Personally, I'm interested in this one. Post yours!
>>748254569Great news. It's about time someone shoves their cock into the market and stops the cartel from raping us all
>>748254679I'm happy about it too. But it's not going to be cheap at first. I fully expect to pay anywhere between $4k-$10k for my next high end PC. But I'm prepared to eat those costs. I don't think the average PC gamer is ready for that. I'm noticing a good portion of younger gamers can't even afford to purchase a vehicle.
>>748247428aren't monopolies that strangle any competition within their reach great?maybe we'll get chinese chips in ten years, but I'm not getting my hopes up
>>748248681You cannot force them to make more of a product, but you CAN punish them for colluding and manipulating the market like a literal cartel. Of course, the reason it doesn't happen is because they have billions of dollars to bribe you with.
>>748255139Should take that long, Lisuan Technology Company is pretty close to releasing a consumer GPU. You guys should just look shit up before you start dooming.
>>748254569I've personally been manufacturing the next stage in consumer graphics technology in my bedroom, just a lil side hustle heh. I've almost got the sand to turn into silicone, but I put the power stages on backwards so it's actually sending power back out of the card by mistake. I think I'm on track for a 2027 releaseI have no real faith that some other small manufacturer is going to save the market, in fact i think that's wacky as fuck. If anyone it'll be the Chinese catching up over a decade
>>748247557>>748248919AI will just generate more ram by the time these come out, it'll be fine.
AI is not nothing, but it's definitely a bubble and will pop before 2030. Cap this.
>>748255727>Dr.Semiconductor memesWould be cool if it wasn't just memes.
>Manufacturers Reportedly Planning Both 4 GB and 6 GB GDDR7 Chips For 2027-28https://www.techpowerup.com/352950/manufacturers-reportedly-planning-both-4-gb-and-6-gb-gddr7-chips-for-2027-28so which one is it
>>748256362That means overpriced supers will have memory but whoever has an issue with memory of their non-super rtx 50 will be fucked because sourcing replacement die will be maddening.
9070xt if you dont care about RT and path tracing 5070ti if you do care about RT and path tracing and dont mind getting robbed for the price compared to a 9070xt that outperforms it
I got a 5080 two weeks ago that barely fits in my case and is probably going to be an air flow nightmareI'm set
Just stop playing games that require dGPUs.
It's a RTX 3050 6gb fine for old games ( most UE4 ) ? Gonna get that MSI or zotac for a budget PC, thank you kikes for fucking things over
Don't worry, I'm sure AI will soon create nanotech fabricators. So you can make your own RTX 5090 clone.
>>748256953its not just those things>generating AI stuff>DLSS 5>RR>PT>emulation is typically better on nvidiathat new AMD ray tracing thing is cool though hopefully it makes it all performant
>>748247428Kek I can smell the return of the GTX 970 Ti. That 3GB is going to be 2.5GB of fast RAM plus 0.5GB of slow RAM.
>>748254225gottem
>>748249065The politicians are all paid by the AI data center lobby, so how exactly are you going to get them to pass legislation for you?
>>748257659im not really a fan of dlss5 everytime its used it looks the same regardless of the game, its worse than the Unreal engine look in how alike it is
I'll have enough for a new pre-built PC next month, hopefully this wont bring its price up.
>>748258415You should be fine. Use Linux.
Cheapest 4k build I can get for gaming and productivity? Also maybe some AI slopping. When I say cheapest I don't mean cheap I just mean what's the minimum I could get away with without it being unusable dogshit.
>>748258654sorry, I cant code to save my life.I'll just stay on win10
>>748258357tell me ur an amdfag without telling me
>>748248975i did, instead of 160 bucks on ram i bought 2 stocks of micron, now i got 2k.
>>748258770used 4090
>>748250565>doesn't understand the memory cartel.
>>748248881communism
>>748258805enjoy your aislop sucker
>>748251968>grinding soundsyou can strap on 120mm case fans any time and it will run the same as before
>>748259106I will
What does this mean for next gen Nintendo and backwards compatibility?
Sounds like a "other people" problem
>>748254512What cope? DLSS 5 literally is AI generated slop. What a way to ruin your games. DLSS was supposed to help you with frames too, what happened to that?
>>748259123im talking about this look this filter has the same look in all non anime games
>>748248564if you have a 9070xt you are literally laughing for the next 8 years bro. gddr isnt being produced because HBM is required for enterprise users
>>748259179>>748259234he's coping alright
>>748259282wheres the cope its the exact same look this is nvidia themselves even with different models they all look the same
Looks like it's time for the chinese GPU market to shine
>>748249663the cope wont last forever>t 5700xt
>>748259282Do you actually play games or just waste your time uploading the same cherry picked examples (that ironically still looks wrong)?
>>748247529Just wait some more
>>748259364>>748259340copium levels reaching critical
>>748248881You don't you force them to licence the tech for a fair price, this has been done before. Let the "free market" do its job
>>748259445Still not buying
>>748259551because you can't
>>748259445are you going to sit there and pretend that this >>748259234 doesnt have the same ai filter look to this image? or are you going to post another cherry picked image? because i can get countless of images that have this exact same look to it and make a fucking collage of it
>>748259279HBM is better for GPUs anyway
>>748259642Can we see it in motion?
>>748259642Cope shlomo, I spent about 2 grand buying gold and silver this month, are you going to shit and piss yourself lmao
>>748248564What's wrong with the 9070 XT?
>>748259358So far, it's not a cope. But our esteemed doctor and engineer friends might eventually turn it into one.
>>748259708check youtube>>748259710>spending money on money instead of having fun>seething about it because you couldn't afford bothcopium drive: unlimited
>>748259364He probably thinks if you switch graphical settings from high to very high then it can suddenly make the game good
>>748247428Yeah my 3060ti will have to last a while
>>748259847That's not playing games, it's making a card hallucinate details before it burns out lmao
>>748250140You should be more worried about your 9800x3d desu>t. have had two fail on me, nearly 3 year old 4080S still going strong
>>748250140Just plug it in like a normal person you fucking retard and you won't end on the news like the lobotomites that weren't even able to make it click properly. Cable failure my ass.
>>748257929>The politicians are all paid by the AI data center lobbyno, they're paid by the people/groups who also own the datacenters and almost everything else
>he's still on a 10xx/20xx/30xx series card
>>748247529Two more weeks trvst the plan
>>74826014010 years ago, I bought only the ultra high end parts but my last build was mostly mid-high range. Glad I didn't buy exploding parts
>>748259691those old HBM radeon cards are fucking great and corporate greed+poorfags ruined it for everyone. >you could be using a single slot HBM3 gpu right now with a 4000+ bit bus>instead you are paying $2000+ for 256bit bus that will catch fire as the power cables are chink shit
>>748249819future gaming is all streaming and subscriptionspersonal computing hardware capable of doing anything more than browsing social media or watching videos will be a niche thing for rich hobbyists, like audiophile equipment
>>748260270Lol niggers coping about going into lifelong debt to pay off ghetto bling that burns out randomly
>>748259741nothings wrong with it, nvidia fags are seething that people are picking it up instead of the overpriced 5070ti because no one gives a fuck about DLSS5 ai slop or path tracing when RT and FSR4 work just fine
>>748247428China will save the gamer race
>>748260361No one is going to pay for streaming anything, it'll just kill the industry, just like what happened to cartoons.
>>748260395see:>>748257793
>>748253898>everything about it is misery>he posts in his leisure time on his ultra-advanced luxury device in an air conditioned room with a full stomach (probably it's too full because he eats too much and is fat)
>>748260416lol anon all kinds of people exclusively stream their games on consoles. they don't bother buying anything because it's cheaper, faster, and easier to just by the pass or whatever and play whatever the FOTM is. like browsing netflix for video games, very few people buy movies anymore.
>>748260437im not wrong and you know it for raster performance the 5070ti is behind the 9070xt why would you pay right now 3-500 and rising mind you more for a aislop filter when it is supposed to be upscailing and gain performance not reduce it by more than half and performance of PT in a very small amount of games btw let us both pretend that the ai slop filter has not been ported to AMDs cards and is already working at 30fps with mods now but nobody fucking cares dude we just want our games at ultra with 100+ fps with and maybe RT i guess if you want your fucking puddles to have a reflection on them but other than that its all just bullshit to make game devs lazy as fuck you think UE game looks alike now just wait for this dogshit to go mainstream in studios and its within their engines itself all games will look alike oh another thing because you keep making this a amd nvida thing, ps6 and xbox helix are both amd, they are both getting something similar to this which i hate and these games are going to be back ported to ps5 so regardless of the card this shit will be in games so can you shut the fuck up with your gay tranny tribalism i dont give a fuck if you want jensen to fuck your ass
>>748260539>lol anon all kinds of people exclusively stream their games on consoles.No they don't, and they especially won't now that Microsoft has added 15-hour per month limits on gamepass streaming.It's dead, botbro, stick to whatever data center you're hosted out of.
>>748259708No, because the heavy amounts of smearing makes it look worse and that hurts the screenshot fags ego.
>>748248681who do you think funds regulation laws? its big corps who want to kill their competition
>>748260819if you were alive 25 years ago, you would've said the internet would always be a silly toy that nobody will ever use professionally.
>>748260861Botbro, this is sad, you need to update your parameters.
>>748249663I remember when this was considered expensive
>>748260861The internet 25 years ago was being professionally used you fucking retard.The dotcom crash was because low IQ people like yourself convinced even more retarded people to throw unlimited amounts of money at them to make a game of fucking pool for the work website.
>>748260861game streaming has been around since the 2000s and has never taken off.
>>748260889>>748260934how narrowminded and myopic.>surely this thing that has been steadily growing for years will just stop soon because I don't like ityeah and malls are gonna get popular again lmao>>748261005if you talked more to people IRL than online, you'd have a different opinion. BTW, using steam is streaming.
>>748260904They used to be extremely overpriced during covid hysteria, even more than current pricesI got one for under 100 euros new on ebay about 2 years ago, GPUs lose value extremely quickly
>>748261049>i dont actually believe any of this im just saying it for attention oh ok
>>748247428spending as much downgrading to a 11thgen intel system as a last 2025 am5 build didnt feel good.anyone building a pc now is going to be forced onto ddr4 and a amd gpu. how much longer will we have to see 1080p upscaled 60fps frame gen in steam recommended system settings?
>>748249663it may work but that shit is not running any new games that are coming out i had a 1070 and i couldnt run FF rebirth for example
>>748248975
>>748261114when's the last time you went to a friend's house to play video games? 10-15 years ago? I don't think you really know what you're talking about.
>>748261049>cites failed business practice for why the current ones going to be fineThe current growth of AI, and also the USA's economy, is largely IOU's now.There is 0 way to recoup the costs of data centers especially with the ballooned price of hardware, the reason why they're going so hard for the sitting president is for the inevitable government bailout when it all collapses.How many AI services are you subscribed to? How about your family, or friends assuming you have them?
>>748260413Counting or not counting RAM prices?
once blumpf is out of office will these data centers continue?
>>748260904When I bought mine, I actually had to buy a prebuilt PC, because BitCoin mining was so retarded at the time that a 1080ti by itself was like $1500 or something, or I could buy a prebuilt PC with a 1080ti in it and genuinely all of the same parts I was already going to get for $1800. This was in like 2018 I believe. >>748261201Worked on my machine. XVI as well.
I already have a 50 series card but I'm genuinely wondering if I should buy a backup. I've never had a GPU fail but it looks like this gen of hardware is going to have to last for the rest of my life as they try to stop private ownership of computers.
>>748261313no once these evil rethuglicans are gone, the good guys will take power and fix this country and fix this WORLD
>>748260140>>t. have had two fail on me,how?
>>748261282nobody is talking about AI. the conversation is about streaming games being similar to streaming movies, anime, and TV shows. also I don't have any AI services or subscriptions, though my company has several and I use them sometimes to do tedious work for me, like reading emails and summarizing the important ones
>>748261332>Worked on my machine. XVI as well.how? there was literally a mod for the gtx1660 for it just to boot it, it wouldnt run on anything lower including the 1080s
>>748249819I'll Amazon is mad at what's happening with chips now. It must be crippling them lately.But he sat on his ass and let it happen. He should have made moves a while ago and didn't.
>>748261313yes
>>748261416>no once these evil rethuglicans are gone, the good guys will take power and fix this country and fix this WORLD>me, age 18, thinking this in 2007make it fucking stop
>>748261313
>>748247428>A "gaming" PCI'm sorry, I don't care about that.The most pressure any home "personal computer" I've ever owned was being able to play "Tiberian Sun."I really, really, really don't care about 1440k screens displaying modern garbage on what's essentially an emlatation device.Do you guysactually buynew computers?For what???
>>748250689Mine died in 2022 and it's been running on fumes since because of income issues.Oh and then people around you start fucking up your electronics and not explaining why. Fucking covid, man. I call them bot people.
>>748261525Uhh... I don't have an answer for you. It just worked. I pirated it though, if that helps at all. Rebirth specifically didn't have Denuvo anyway, so I don't know why that would make a difference, but it is what it is.
>>74826116232gb of good quality ddr5 is $450that's by no means unaffordable
>>748261503>nobody is talking about AI. the conversation is about streaming games being similar to streaming moviesOh, you mean that business that has routinely failed for 20 years now? Sorry I just assumed this was another AI argument because this one's been done to death. I'm sure Amazon, Nvidia, And Microsoft won't experience what Google, gametap, and onlive did. All services limiting streaming per month is surely a sign of a healthy userbase.>though my company has several and I use them sometimes to do tedious work for me, like reading emails and summarizing the important onesYeah, that's not profitable.
>>748261498Some motherboards basically let voltage run wild and it would burn chips, some motherboard brands were worse than others
>>748261623Last year was a good time to buy, got 96gb of ram for 280 euro, it's less than what I paid for 32gb or ram in 2016
>>748261781scary
>>748248564>factory-new 3060vram on my 3090 fails, it's over
>>748261695https://www.reddit.com/r/FFVIIRemake/comments/1i85t08/confirmed_rip_1080ti_users_rebirth_is_indeed/well you have to be lying its to do with DX12 thats why the mod was introduced for gtx1660 because it had the hardware for it
>>748259445that looks comically bad
>>748251938>>748251538The problem isn't a loose connector, the problem is that it will saturate pins, rather than evenly spreading the load. That can cause the melting/flaming when paired with a defect in either the card, or the connecting pin, but the bad draw pattern is present in all cards.
>>748261986lol
>>748261760>Yeah, that's not profitable.it is when the AI assists people actually doing shit, and replaces the 10 layers of middle management who get paid 2-5x as much as the people actually contributing
>>748257659AMD can do AIFSR is better than DLSS 3.5OkOkLol what? No.Anon, it’s not 2022 anymore.
>>748262156>AMD can do AIvery badly and much more annoying to set up>FSR is better than DLSS 3.5LMAO>Okyep>Okyep>Lol what? No.it's true
>>748257793brownest poster on the board
>>748262205nta but FSR4 is pretty good and emulation is mostly based on CPU not GPU
>>748254569the bottleneck is foundries, which any homebrewer would have to use, unless they have the ability to start their own, which would be several billion in upfrot investment.
>>748262156>fsr is goodits not. neither is dlss or xess. they are all shit that only poorfags should be using not as 4k crutches for high end gaming. the current gen of gpus will age extremely poorly as they have sacrificed raster power for ai slop which just doesn't scale as resolution increases.
>>748262327I was talking about DLSS 5 regardless. And emulation is more demanding CPU wise but you still need the GPU to render the graphics, AMD has almost always had more trouble with emulation than Nvidia.
>>748261162>it's not environmental bullshit through proxy thoughCalled this.
i got mine back in 2024 because i KNEW prices would spikenow the price for what i got is over double what it was in pic related
>>748262440hope you also invested $50+ in a good cooling pad for your laptop to extend its life. the nicer ones work amazingly well while still being quiet (unless you really crank it up)
>>748262426not nowadays with how powerful gpu's are and DLSS5 is ai slop >>748262424screen shots of DLSS upscailing vs FSR4 upscailing is near identical
>>748262564AMDrone cope is in effect.
>>748262440>gaming laptopRIP
>>748262512Mostly you just need to make sure the fan intake and vents are not blocked, like raising the bottom so it gets access to a lot of open air
>>748262512i haven't yet, though i have a repair shop not more than 2 miles from me - been there once to replace the fans cause i was too zealous with my air dusterthat said a cooling pad is on my christmas list>>748262654i'm typing this post from my bed with that very laptop on my chest, quite cozyplus, it connects just fine to my room's TV through HDMI
>>748247529I've never seen waitkeks get btfo this hard. I'm holding onto my 4080S like it's made of pure gold now.
>>748249819>>748260361I feel like this isn't going to work any time soon with how slow, laggy and unstable internet access still is in a lot of places.
>>748247428>here's your 15GB 60 series bro
>>748248853It means the next gen graphics update for games will be something that 40 and 50 series cards can handle, or in other words, there won't be a next gen graphics update for a long while so your current stuff will be fine into the near and mid term as long as they don't break
>>748248681All the anons disagreeing with you are WRONGIt is actually very easy to regulate this. Just elect a gaming emperor. Whoever campaigns on cheap quality PC hardware and the end of woke funding in my games gets my VOTE. Barron Trump I'm looking at you my little zoomnigga.
>>748262440Dude, they're not even gonna have a quarter of the power available today in stores available to the public by 2030 at this rate. In fact, there is hints they will literally enforce laws to force you to rent pcs or use them in centralised locations to stop things like criminal behaviour online.At this point, revolution is no longer a possibility. It's literally a race against time before the global equivalent of the Khmer Rouge happens.AI is just a scapegoat at this stage. Covid was in anticipation. It impacts the brain for a reason. To slow you down so the revolution cannot win. 5D chess.
>>748262601https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3MjSxysft0&tsounds like you are the one coping
>>748249384I doubt that. The frame gen genie is still out of the lamp
>>748262982Now compare it to DLSS 5.
>>748262142>it is when the AI assists people actually doing shitNo, dumbass.It's not profitable for the data centers. If my data center costs tens of billions and only makes a few million a year off of services it's not going to make its money back.This is the exact same reason why you don't see private nuclear power plant construction by utilities companies, the cost of construction can never be recovered from the services provided.Ergo, cozy up to government for bailout when people realize your industry is not actually trillions of dollars and your services still require human oversight because it's laden with errors.
When the current companies stop producing GPU's for gaming we'll see devs forced to relearn how to make games and then China's manufacturers will enter the market and outcompete the old jews.The future is bright, just keep waiting.
>>748263076that ray tracing not the upscaler you fucking retard
>>748263140Thank you captain obvious coper.
>>748247428I guess it's time to subscribe to geforcenow.
>>748263096>CHYNAnot only are exports of stolen tech banned internationally they are also extremely shit and not even the chinese buy chink shit, thats for the stupid gwilo. they buy all the western brands you cannot afford.
>>748263174so what exactly are you bragging about your puddle reflections at 4k at performance mode on a upscailer lmao
>>748263083Are you a retard? There's plenty of companies that have designed/build small scale nuclear, but the US doesn't allow them to build here, so it's all in China. Most things grow in this way. Look at amazon with it's freight delivery, they flooded the market with their cheap service they lost money on because it was built to too high of a scale, kept prices low to get users on board, then demand caught up until it became profitable. It makes sense for a company with a shit ton of capital to hyperscale first, and worry about profitability later, otherwise, they risk losing that entire market segment.
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>>748262512>>748262725>>748262778>cooling pad is on my christmas listI got a couple frozen ice blocks in some grocery package years and years ago.I genuinely wrap them in differently colored kitchen towels, sit them on my lap, and sit my laptop on top of that.Man these laptops get hot.
>>748262969replied to the wrong guy?
>>748263401I used to game on an old probook, it got to around 80c when gaming, never again
>>748263372Is Ray Tracing going to make an unfun game more fun?
>>748263367>There's plenty of companies that have designed/build small scale nuclearThat's not intended to provide power for the masses, illiterate.>but the US doesn't allow them to build here, so it's all in China.Yes they do. The US government wouldn't subsidize it for private use like China. Unless you're a datacenter that going down would crash the economy that is.I don't know what the fuck you're trying to argue here, AI companies are not profitable, have no plans on how to be profitable, and data centers cannot recoup their exorbitant costs even when you don't factor in their parts having a lifespan of 5~ years before they're significantly outscaled.
>>748263401right now i usually have mine propped up by a power strip (which rarely even gets warm), leaving the fans exposed for airthankfully i only play games every so often so my laptop rarely gets outright hotthough my one complaint right now is that my USB connectors seem to be a bit touchy but that's both easy to fix and not urgent enough to be needed right away
>>748248881micron was created with public investment (read: your money)the government absolutely has some control, not that it would use it in a benevolent way
>>748263640GE, Terrapower, NuScale, all have 300+MW reactors, with NuScale (in my opinion) producing the best, since they can scale existing plants modularly. These would easily power smaller cities, and can also be combined/scaled to power large cities. Just because it is "small scale", doesn't mean it isn't power for the masses, retard. Regulatory overhead is what prevents them from building in the US, with or without subsidies (which all power companies get massively anyways).I'm amazed that you're arguing so passionately when you don't even understand the basics of capital investments. You should be proud.
>>748262430>>it's not environmental bullshit through proxy thoughwho are you quoting?
>>748248881By removing the billions of tax exemptions and fee exemptions they claim if they don't follow through with consumer support.You don't have to fine them. You just have to stop paying them to fuck you in the ass.
>>748264020What does this have to do with datacenters and how they're profitable tardo
>>748264020>Regulatory overhead is what prevents them from building in the US, with or without subsidies (which all power companies get massively anyways).And yet, they've been greenlit for a number of future datacenters. Hmm, must be a reason they weren't popping up before...>doesn't contest that data centers and AI are a net negative earner>just assumes if you put enough money towards something you'll make moneyDo you by any chance have an MBA?
>>748248853They’re moving to use cloud computing and streaming to replace local GPUs. It’s been obvious for a while but lately it’s impossible to ignore. From a business perspective, NVIDIA has literally no reason to release an RTX 6000-series of consumer GPUs for gaming. They will be at full production/sales capacity at least through the early 2030s for data centers. You will stream your games and you will like it. Buy a good GPU now or deal with the consequences. If you already have a 5090 32 GB, hold that shit and sell it for a hundred grand in 2029.
>>748264357Ameria. Does not. Have. The infrastructure. To do this.This. Will never. Happen.Not even in mega cities like NY or LA
>>748264239>>748264191>Why would you build a restaurant it's going to take years to make back your money>Why would you buy a car it doesn't make you any money>Why would you ever invest in future infrastructure that there isn't demand for right nowIf you're building catchup capacity to meet an overburdened supply you've already lost. Anthropic's revenue has gone from ~$700 million mid 2025, and was 11.5 billion Q2 of this year.
>MU reported scalping its own supply just for profitsYeah I'll wait until DDR6 comes out before I ever build a PC
>>748264357rumours are the 6000 series alongside amd gpu's has been postponed until 2028 so i dont know about cloud being pushed it does look like they still want a consumer market for the gpu's
>>748264591Lol why are you trying to convince people your slop is going to be profitable on \v\Anyhow it's obvious that you want the government to shut you down with ai sacred because you'll never be profitable and are heavily in debt
>>748264986Could you please rewrite this post in English?
>>748264986*with ai scares
>>748250974You need RX 9070 XT/5070 Ti minimum to get over 1080p 60 and even those can barely handle it.
>>748265036Lol cope brokie, you're just nobody after all
>>748264591>Why would you build a restaurant it's going to take years to make back your moneyYou pick one of the most volatile businesses possible and don't realize the vast majority fail within a year of opening. If the US economy was rallying behind a few restaurants that can't make profit because the citizens have the capabilities to make similar meals for less it'd be called out too.>Why would you buy a car it doesn't make you any moneyIf your entire business plan is purchasing a car that has no use case you're a retard, yes. Unless you're comparing a luxury purchase of a garage queen to an actual business practice.>Why would you ever invest in future infrastructure that there isn't demand for right nowEven if demand goes up the problem is these structures need to be rebuilt in a few years. and models are becoming increasingly easy to run so you don't need gigantic data centers to begin with.You're essentially arguing we should be building space habs with ship building capabilities out near mars because>well one day we could find a use and it would profitable
>>748264696>he thinks ddr will even exist in a few yearsHBM is the future poor man.
>>748262426Emulating what?
>>748265414games
>>748265094Those cards can do 1440p/60fps fine as long as you don't turn every single setting to the max. Most of the time, Ultra/Very High is a mild difference compared to just high for a large trade in performance
>>748247428>Destroys your market monopoly
>>748265134What do you think large companies do with their excess capital? Keep it under the mattress? Excess capital is always burnt to generate future profits. Sure, in a few years, people will probably be able to run models of the same quality at home, but technology always scales. That's why AI happened in the first place, with the popularization of stream processors for gayming, then being used for crypto, the technology got to a place algorithms created years ago had the scale of compute they actually needed to run. Even if next year AI didn't need the cloud at all and was lightweight enough it could run on a poorfags pc or phone, that compute would still be leveraged for model training. Even without all that, it's not exactly difficult to find customers wanting to leverage compute. AI datacenters are only ~1/4 of generalized compute datacenters, and that capacity can easily pivot to other workloads.
>>748265732On Linux we actually have this no joke, it's called zram
>>748262798same, and I got it at a second hand discount (new) just before the 50 series launched
>>748265745>yeah we burnt trillions of excess capital to make a few billion>who cares lolI think the shareholders will care if/when this blows up because it's not sustainable. But I don't have an MBA so I don't have a degree in being retarded.
>>748265094>You need RX 9070 XT/5070 Ti minimum to get over 1080p 60im getting 150-200fps in some games with the 9070xt what are you talking about in 1080p and the 5070ti will do the same
>>748266021There has been ~2T of spend and ~900B of revenue. Spend has already started rapidly falling, and 90% of that revenue is from growth this year. Almost every company involved has predicted they won't reach profitability till 2030. I don't have an MBA, I'm just not a totally uneducated thirdie and have a basic understanding of how an economy functions.
bros...
>>748266220>signs point towards it being profitable eventually!>btw only a single company has managed to have a single quarter where they spent less than they made>I don't have an MBAYou should look into getting one, you're really good at regurgitating what a few people whose entire fortune was built off of lying say.
>>748259741Abysmal RT performance and having to rely on FSR is brutal.It's also the last generation before AMD adopts AI accelerators and starts to make use of actual upscaling, frame gen and probably a DLSS5 rival. So, you're kinda just left holding the bag after everyone told non-raster was a meme.
>>748266386>It will never be profitable!!!>It's not profitable now!!!>Only one company is profitable!!!Good thing society has grunts like you. I bet you're strong after spending your whole day moving goalposts.
>>748256953>>748256953>9070xt if you dont care about RT and path tracingAnd DLSS 5, and the fact that FSR looks like ass compared to DLSS 4.5. >9070xt that outperforms itWhy do people make shit up?
>>748266529>one company has had ONE quarter where profit outpaced spending>its profitable nowHey man, 2billion made for one company, only 1.98 trillion to go.That MBA's awaitin'
>>748266652Correction, earnings outpaced spending*They're still in debt lmao
>>748255139>>748255301In the US at least, the problem is that both parties seem committed to blocking Chinese chips/RAMS/GPUs. So I wouldn't get your hopes up on that front.
>>748266652you're not thinking rationally and I doubt you're capable of doing so. You are emotional like a woman.
>>748266652>New level of retardation>2 Trillion - 900B = 1.98 Trillion
>>748266619>>748262982look up control resonants fps
>>748248564Dlls5 looks bad tho, especially on faces. It is the ultimate normgroid thing to love, i.e. ultra realism.
>>748267038it's not supposed to look good on your slice of life chuunii kawaii aniimes
>>748267038Game does it look bad in that has the release version of DLSS5 officially applied?
Not including the cost of monitors I'd like to get two what kind of PC can I get with $1400? I'm not expecting much. I only really need it for coding and 3D modeling.
>>748248681Nooooo that's antisemitism, we must regulate against local models and out price people with their own taxes
>>748267164Something like this.https://www.costco.com/p/-/msi-codex-z2-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-r7-8700f-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-8gb-16gb-ram-1tb-ssd-windows-11/4201007816?langId=-1If you're 3D modelling, it's going to have to be an Nvidia GPU, as AMD are absolute dogshit for productivity and they still haven't fixed that after all these years.
>>748266745I accept your concession.>>748266765I looked into anthropics "profit" and they exclude the costs of training and count revenue shared with other companies as their own; they've refused to elucidate on what the actual earnings were.Weird that a company that's going for IPO would misconstrue their position.So there's 1(one) company that potentially earned money after years, and it seems like they didn't actually contribute to that 800billion.
>>748267295Noted. Thanks for the advice.
>>748267295Amd can do that, retards like you fell for the cuda snake oil.
Dont careGot my 5060ti 16gb
>>748247428This shit is going to quadruple in price, and /v/ will still tell people to buy a gaming PC.
>>748267639i honestly feel bad for people waiting on really low end hardware
>>748267526
>>748250205Not sustainable economy when people don't buy
>yep, looking good!
Or you could stick to current gen graphic and not make games beyond that, yknow.
>>748266946What about it?
But no, the next Ubislop needs to be even bigger...that's totally a consumer need...you need more Ubisoft...
YOU VIL RENT THE CLOUD PCYOU VIL SUBSCRIVE TO ZE GAMEPASSYOU VIL OWN NOTHING AND VE HAPPVY
>>748267880That is feasible.>PS5 games are just PS4 games running at 1080p/60fps (or less) upscaled to 4k >PS4 games are just PS3 games running at 1080p/30fps instead of 720p/25fps>PS3 games are just PS2 games with toned down difficulty, mechanics and depthVideo games really haven't changed in the past ~20 years. Graphics have improved, but the way the games themselves are designed are the same. In fact, it's more honest to say gaming's regressed in design. Look at Wolverine.
>>748267841Bravo, Kondo...
>>748267893remove the rt i said raster you faggot
>>748253126It's not a natural consequence or inevitability that this has happened, it's due to very specific tricks and policies that didn't have to be implemented.The finance industry scammers very specifically borrowed eg. $10 trillion from banks (backed by governments) on the argument that there is eg. $1 trillion consumer economy that can be skimmed over years to pay off the loan. They've leveraged the entire consumer economy to prop up the private-investment economy, on the promise that the private investments will be made worthwhile by the far smaller consumer economy.Either the politicians that allowed this are retarded and couldn't comprehend this is basically an 80 year loan, or everyone involved knows they were just kicking the can down the road for future generations to pay the bill.It's very easy to see this is a problem, it's quite simple in concept to limit the amount of loans companies/individuals can take out, it's very standard to put checks and balances on these greedy actors but the US establishment just didn't in this case - probably because this is the most lucrative opportunity yet for government to be incompetent.
>>748265971Linux let's you allocate hard drive space as RAM. SSD prices have also skyrocketed in price though so it's not like it's a meaningful alternative.
>>748267372Put the fries in the bag
>>748247428Me with my MSRP 5090. Fuck waitfags
>>748268505This happened because Trump is in charge and his profiting off this on his personal walletNext president either will try to get in and be as crooked and corrupt as trump or do the morally correct thing to do and kickstart the burn and collapse of the world ecoonomy where billions will end up fighting for food
>>748269153Ai boom happened under Biden.
>>748247428uhhhh, waitcels, our response?
>>748269153>it's the presidentDamn you are the goodest goy in this thread
You will stream the gameAnd you will watch the ads to earn playtime or proceed into the boss fight
>bought parts for mid-ranged gaming pc in 2020>feel great that i bought before the covid price hike>pc beginning to get a bit old to run latest games>transition to only playing old games and indie gamesi think I got 2-3 years left before I seriously need to consider upgrading. Genuinely hope the AI bubble pops and I can finally get some cheap hardware. One thing for certain is that i won't be going mid-ranged this time.
>>748248975Because the top is in October
and just like that, an entire cohort was priced out of the GPU market all at once
>>748269742if you buy "upper tier" then you get a better experience for the life of the card, and you can still sell it when you get around to upgrading a few years later.instead of putting up with a shittier experience and having a card that is worthless when you finally upgrade.
>>748260812see:>>748257793
>5 year old cpu and a 40 series rtxwhat the fuck am I gonna do in a couple more years.
>>748270771the new 6090s are going to eclipse the 5090s and will be more energy efficient, and so companies will sell off their 5090s in three years. businesses will pop up selling "refurbished" 5090s on ebay for 2000$.
>>748270695SEE
>>748247428>2GBliterally what's the fucking point? Just use integrated graphics.
>>748269742How about you just ignore all the dogshit UE5 flavor of the month garbage that youtubers convince you to purchase?
>>748248809fuck off to /g/ then, cuck.you don't belong here
>>748247428
>>748247428>snatched a 5070ti at MSRP
>>748248881>Forcing government to do something>Yeah well that's totally expected, that's how it should be>Forcing a corporation to do X>NOOOOOOO WHYYYMerchants were considered worse than farmers by societies of old.
>Got an XFX 9070 for $493 as an "open box return">Mfw it wasn't an open box, was still factory sealed, returns guy mislabeled it>Mfw its unlocked AND a golden sample, core clock peaks at 3300mhz, pushed memory clock +270mhz>Mfw I got 9070XT/5070Ti performance for over $100 less AND I don't have the melty 12v-2x6 cable5060 Ti 16gb are going for over $500 now. "Just WAAAAAAIT" people got fucked.
>>748247428For all the talk republicans do about self reliance you think that bringing chip factories in would have been a priority. Its insane how it was ever allowed for something as important as chips to just be so centralized. When is the government finally stepping in on this monopoly, this is ridiculous.
>>748264357Everyone is fucked then, because even a 5090 32gb will be outdated in ten years time.
>>748252142No it wouldn't
>>748247428HBM BROS RISE UPVEGA 64 GANG VEGA 64 GANG
>i9-12900K>3080I'm probably still good
Samsung GDDR is better anyway.
>>748248975>How about instead of whining about bing bing wahoos, you open a brokerage account and buy hardware stocks like Nvidia, Micron and AMD to make some money?Ideally you would have a multi-pronged strategy. For example, I bought an MSRP 5090 a year ago and also bought Dell stock around the same time.I'm getting ready to sell both.
>>748249663Not for long.
>>748259741High power consumption like every AMD card
>>748267117>it's not supposed to look good on the only type of game that mattersand thats why its bad
>>748248564kek, accurate
Can any RTX 5080 owners run Timespy and post their score?
>>748272572When is 250w high power draw? You stupid?
>>748275498They can't even run the test due to driver issues on Windows & Linux.
>>748247428>my pc is dying>a new one with a 5080 is 4k, a new one with 5090 is almost 8k>there's no salvation in sighti am so fucking tired of this garbage World
>>748275951Should have upgraded when it was $2000 lol
>>748247428>I need goychips to play modern goyslopI need it for great games like... uhh....
>>748259179How do you differentiate between "AI slop" and good quality AI output?
Who 5070 in here
>>748271803micron is an american company
I've got motherboards and GPUs to spare don't worry your little hide
>>748276601>Literally the absolute worse gpu in the whole 50 lineupYeah no thanks
>>7482777485060cuck begone
>>748277892>>748277748>>748276601>5070why?5070ti exists you know right?>but you don't need that vramhave you actually monitored your vram while playing games? my 5070ti goes over 10gb all the time
>>748267984
>>748275512I never go above 150 Watts
>>748278360that's the max output of a 5060
>>748277152honestly how do you preserve them? Like is putting them on a shelf in a protective case enough?
>>748247428>NOOOOO!!!!>IT DOESN'T GO DOWN!!!>THIS IS THE BOTTOM!!!!>NO DON'T POST "WAIT UNTIL THE 60 SERIES"!>NO NO NO NO!!!!
>>748278689Put them back in the original anti-static bag and box
>>748260465>African children fallacy
>>748277965cores>vram
>>748248975>telling people to buy the topdevilish
An economic upheaval is coming. You'll have bigger things to worry about than gaming.
>>748269236Under Biden AI was used for fun stuff, like gaming show hosts gunning down contestants with machine guns, US presidents arguing about videogames, and songs about gluing your balls to your butthole.Under Trump AI is used to maliciously destroy not just the consumer market for computer parts, but the fucking environment worse that the petroleum companies EVER did.
>>748277965>whyBecause the 5070 was already a substantial upgrade over my 1050ti when I got it last year, and couldnt at the time justify paying a third more for the ti, especially since i wasnt even sure my psu could handle any higher.Besides, I'm satisfied, so whatev.
>>748247529It was over before it even began
>>748279748>that MSPaint handAbsolute cinema
Y'all realize by the time the bubble bursts, we are all going to be swimming in chips from these fabs and data centers, right? Just be patient and you shall get them for dirt cheap.
>>748279854Destroying product to control supply and prices is definitely a tactic they wouldn't use
You voted for this :)
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>>748280153Just be born into wealth bro
>>748279854As a /biz/ nigger, I doubt it. Our current biggest threats are regulation and blowing up oil refineries. Liberals seem to love taxing computers and banning data centers. If this happened nationwide, the economy will crash (Oracle specifically will crash, causing OpenAI to crash, which will then cause many other stocks to crash). Rather than rooting for the economy to crash, you could just buy a 5090 now and see your computer parts be worth more. Once the next gen is announced in 2028, you can sell your used 5090 for profit. So it's either you become a hobo who can't afford a gaming pc because the economy crashed, or you can be making money while owning the best PC on the market. Pick one.
>>748279854The entire western economy is betting on this tech making AGI (it wont) so when the bubble burst you won't be playing video games you'll be scrapping half built data centers.
>>748279271Obviously youve never hit a vram limit
You want to know the best part? The people paying them multiple times what a RAM chip is worth are banking on making that money back... still no profitsWhen they crash they're going to take the economy with them
>>748280276yeah dude, it's the libtards taxing ai that's gonna crash the economy. Not AI being an overhyped fraud.
>>748280531The libtards are banning datacenters and taxing computer parts. The economy isn't being built on AGI or AI slop. It's built on selling computer parts to datacenters. Oracle is took out a massive amount of debt to build datacenters and if they can't deliver, everyone they owe money to will crash and burn.
>>748280642>The libtards are banning datacentersI wish, just half assed bills that die on the vine.>The economy isn't being built on AGI or AI slop. It's built on selling computer parts to datacentersTo do what at the centers? And why in the last year and a half did they ramp up construction? Also, all of this is going to fail because America's grid can't handle the extra load, lol.
WaitGOD here. I shall continue waiting.
>>748248681That's communism, you aren't a commie are you anon? The free market will decide what's best for consumers. The price of hardware will trickle down to reasonable standards.
>>748278360For me it's a gentleman's 170w. When I'm really beating it to hell with dlss5 it has to run the fans at a whole 40%
