>>748252946
Vibe coding is bad because....

>xitter thread
yawn

>>748253025
you're trans

>notch's next game
which one? the one that he didn't abandon yet?

>>748253025
It's not if you can actually read code and can fix issues.
It is if you're just taking the output as gospel.

>>748252946
Nobody gives a single shit about any of his games after Minecraft.

>>748252946
>Blocked

Notch has a small hairy penis.

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>>748252946
What did he mean by this?

>>748253025
My juniors use it to justify their code and argue against my design decisions and waste my time. No, even if AI tells you "I've done this many times", it has actually not done it many times and it has no idea about why I want it my way.

>>748253234
>No, even if AI tells you "I've done this many times", it has actually not done it many times
Way too many people treat AI like a brain in a box

do I need to stick a vibe up my ass and code in order to be vibe coding?

>>748253025
idc if it isn't, you're not getting my money without effort, ransheeesh

I have anti AI fatigue

>>748253358
no, but a buttplug and rainbow kneesocks definitely help

>>748253025
It's not bad, you just have to learn how to use it.

>>748252946
>I pay someone to do the work for me
>I just copy paste shit without double checking and start seeing shit within 2 hours of work
>"It feels hella good to do shit without having to use my brain, goys!!!!"
What did tiny pecker mean by this?

>>748253475
i don't. Fatso can't code a fucking Etrian Odyssey but dogshit game, it shows how incompetent some are.

If anything i don't hate AI enough.

>>748253475
you are fatigued by people who are fatigued? sound unhealthy

>>748252946
notch will make nortubel 2
notchubel

>>748253475
i have I have anti AI fatigue fatigue

>>748253025
>nooooo you have to spend minutes to steal your code from stack overflow you can't have a computer steal the code from stack overflow in seconds for you

>>748253475
>I have people disagreeing with me fatigue
Why is this so common these days?

>>748253108
>It's not if you can actually read code and can fix issues.
Imagine thinking your projects will stay on the scale where you can go through the code solo when you're vibe coding them. Everything is going to get huge fast

>>748253025
>just hand the wheel over to a robot
bet you just lay back and take things

>>748253564
you sound awfully convincing when you put it that way

>>748253025
it's killing the environment, doesn't let you enjoy the scenery, you will have gained nothing as a person even if you reach your goal and it can't even cross rivers

>>748252946
Notch is the only human being alive that I can see getting too lazy to even vibe code at some point.

I have anti anti ai fatigue

>>748253108
People will say this but in every workplace where "vibe coding" is acceptable there is literally no oversight of what the AI puts out. It's given a brief once over, accepted, and shipped.

People will bang on and on about "responsible AI use" but in practice all AI use ends up being irresponsible.

>>748253025
>Vibe coding is bad because....
because you're using an extremely subjective language (human language) to program something that is entirely objective (software).
If you read very old books on logic and mathematics, you’ll see just how problematic it is to use human language to discuss the exact sciences. You need 10 times as many words to explain something, and even then the explanation isn't very good. With the appropriate language, you not only convey information in a completely objective way, but you also make operations easier.
But of course, if you're just an amateur or hobbyist, there's really no problem with programming in human language and letting an LLM try to turn that into a computer program. You're not building anything serious, like that fat asshole who made Minecraft and has zero talent (Minecraft was his lucky break, and now even if he spends the next 50 years making games, he’ll never release anything worthwhile again).

>>748253475
If you're fatigued, why do you keep making threads calling everyone who doesn't like AI a tranny?

I can see vibe coding being enjoyable for hobby use.
It sounds horrible if it's your full time job though. Then you're effectively doing nothing but code review, and that sounds like hell on earth.

ludditroons lost

>>748253719
Tell me you aren't a coder without telling you aren't a code.
You break down the problem into small bite sized prompts and issue and then you go and feed that to your LLM and let it solve the thing

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Regular cardio can help with the fatigue.

>>748253756
I have schizo fatigue, you think random anonymous people are someone you saw before

>>748252946
Why should I care about some Twitter eceleb nobody

>>748253712
That's exactly what my friends in the field say is happening. Companies are basically using AI as an excuse to make human workers increase their productivity three or four times over, without caring much about the consequences. If workers don’t use a minimum number of tokens (that is, if they don't irresponsibly delegate everything to AI), they're penalized in their performance reviews.
It’s pure chaos.
Celebrity CEOs hyping up AI have sparked an insane frenzy among corporations, and they're diving headfirst without any care. In the future, people will write books about this episode of human madness.

Show me one vibecoded app or game that is useful.
Just one.
That will convince me that vibe coding is the future.

>>748252946
i fucking love that people like you exist unironically, imagine that literal magic existed but terminally online retards spend all day telling people not to use it for worthless internet clout so you get to enjoy it and reap its benefits all to yourself, i mean this sincerely please keep making these threads op

>>748254018
I vibe coded my own game engine

>>748254137
>literal magic
lol

>>748252946
vibecraftbros
its over

>>748253986
>Engineer says Claude Code has made his job "soul-sucking" as workers spend 12-hour days pressing enter
>"Nobody knows anything here. People are working 12 to 13 hours a day just to press enter."
>The engineer added that employees are now pressured to ship products as fast as possible, leaving them with little time to review Claude's output or understand the code being created.

https://www.techspot.com/news/113937-engineer-claude-code-has-made-job-soul-sucking.html

>>748252946
everyone and their mothers vibe code now. Just look at StackOverflow's statistics. Nobody uses the site anymore, so from where are people getting their answers and help with problems now?
Ai is doing all teh work.

>>748254018
people don't care about showing off, they are doing everything locally and have fun experimenting
You can go just about everywhere and see what others are making for themselves

>>748253825
He looks like he gets DMCAd.

>>748254337
programing is gonna become a lost art soon.

>>748254137
What "benefits" you are enjoying that you wouldn't also be getting if everyone else was using it?

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>people don't care about showing off

Forget about vibe coding which is now an established industry standard with an entire stack of Claude code/codex/cursor etc.
GPT 6 astra is now good enough to make game ready assets. You might still need to do your own work in substance painter for textures but 3D modeling below a certain complexity is solved by AI. This is a real game changer. Of course, if you need some more heavy duty stuff like creating accurate humans, headshot 3 is an incredible AI powered tool. It needs precise portraits, but you can generate them from any photo with gemini nano banana pro.

>>748254516
>How could this happen???

>>748254516
Shopify's board of directors needs to remove this luddite from the company

>>748254528
Also iclone 8 can translate any video to human animation with its own AI. You can potentially generate a video with seedance 2+ and feed it in. This process is more expensive and pay per token however.

>>748253825
Faggot tempura...

>>748252946
so he's like a chef who can only order food from another restaurant?

>>748254528
No one wants ai made models/characters. They just don't. It's too impersonal.

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Example. Astra made this bench from a text prompt only and fixed the curves on the railings with another prompt.

>>748253025
You can see in the comments how everyone defending AI is saying “well, if you know how to code, you can fix the issues”

Yeah, no shit. Youre telling me AI is only good if you get someone talented in that firld to iron out all the mistakes? Yeah, thats the entire fucking issue you fucking retards.

>No bro listen, it gets good after 20 hours and speeds up workflow
>but only if you let an experienced professional of 30+ years unfuck every mistake

>>748254807
What if you saw a bench like this in a game (with proper substance painter generated textures). Would you know it's AI? >>748254909

>>748254807
So how can you tell when AI powered industry standard tools like headshot 3 and iclone 8 are used? Will you just refuse to play any game? You know that in Japan (where most good games are made nowadays) there is not nearly as much stigma against AI?

>>748254753
He was wrong man, Vibe coding is useful

>>748254909
>Astra made
Don't you mean "I made"

much like fat fucks addicted to doordash, you become complacent and lazy the more you offload work to an LLM

>>748255048
I don't want diarrhea in my coffee.
>But you can't tell the difference between diarrhea and real coffee
I don't care even if I can't tell the difference, I won't buy any coffee with diarrhea in it
>Diarrhea is becoming an industry standard. Everyone uses it. You won't be able to go into any coffee shop and not get diarrhea.
It shouldn't be. People in the industry should have more dignity.
>So you're just not going to buy any coffee?
No, I'm just going to make my own
>You're going to be left behind. Diarrhea is the future. We have people lining up the block to drink our diarrhea.
Then market to them. I'm not buying it.

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>>748253712
>>748253867
>>748253719

Why are coders and programmers so afraid now that AI is taking their shitty jobs?

I can literally vibecode ANY program tailored to what i want, from excel, to a music player, to a clock. Everything i want, i don't need coders anymore.

>>748254975
A bench? I won't care as much about background assets, unless the styles violently clash. But when it comes to characters and character designs, I completely draw the line.

>>748255048
I don't care about the level of stigma against AI in Japan or any other country. The degree to which AI is accepted can be easily assumed. I guarantee you no one wants to see characters being shit out by AI unless they themselves are robotic or unhealthily schizoid.

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Even if it will be vibe coded, I don't mind.

>>748252946
any game made through vibe coding should not be allowed to be sold for profit

>>748255242
No I prompted Astra to make this via an MCP server connection to blender. Astra used blenders python interface to create this. The initial result had some weird curve railings so I prompted it to fix it and it did so successfully. It also fixed many issues on its own by repeatedly rendering the scene and visually inspecting it. It's really powerful and went beyond my expectations.

>>748254909
Post topology

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>>748255479
That's the best part, unlike art you can't tell if AI was used on the code, it's literally impossible.

Also you (can't) read the source code anyways, eat shit nigger lmao olloololloolololol

>>748255374
It's funny you use this exact analogy since some coffee beans are made by getting animals to eat them and shit them out. Their digestive processes are needed for the bean flavor. So diarrhea is already sort of involved in real world coffee and you didn't know.

>>748252946
>Notch is a genAI shill
Shock. Gasp.

>>748254753
Did anyone ever give him shit for making Minecraft in a language and runtime he didn't create? Feels like he was just asking to be taken on a slippery slope with that one.

>>748255556
Maybe he did and doesn't drink the car shit coffee?

>>748255554
Yes you can, it does things in retarded ways, it comments in retarded ways, it's overly bloated and inefficient

>>748255456
So you're ok with a bench. I assume you'd also he ok with a surveillance camera, a garbage can, doors, chairs etc.
Maybe also minor NPCs and minor animations like opening a door or opening a box.
Hopefully you can see how this already revolutionizes game dev. You used to have to make all this manually or buy them from an asset store and hope it fits. But using AI offers far more flexibility than buying assets and hoping they fit in.

>>748255503
8k vertices

As a programmer AI has made my job a joyless slog. But this is how the world is going to be going forward. No more thinking, no more challenge, just asking the machine to do something for you and hope for the best.

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AI can't program assembly language, where are the vibe coded SNES games?
We will never see another game as good as Mega Man X, Super Metroid, or Chrono Trigger ever again

>>748255736
Yeah, I can understand. I've done decent amount of 3D work even though it's not my primary field. There's nothing like a hands-on approach though, and the confidence in being able to say, "I made this." It genuinely makes a difference in how people view what you've done. It's a slippery slope. If you're honest with yourself AND the people you're catering to, then that goes a long way.

>G-guys I am totally a coder and a game dev!!|
Just enjoy your fluke win at life bro holy shit bang some sloots on a yacht stop being a fag on twitter

>>748255640
>rich fag wants to kill human workforce
wow

What the fuck is vibe coding?

>>748255919
We're gonna have an massive epidemic of early onset dementia in 10-30 years. Excessive AI use literally reduces your cognitive abilities and causes your brain to atrophy.

>>748254913
You are retarded, no shit a coding tool needs someone who knows about coding to use it and output something with any semblance of quality, so you think software companies get the janitor to code?
>but Jeets
Were outputting dogshit code before, they might actually improve now

Your “30+ years” hyperbole is also retarded

>>748256097
Zoomers are fucking retarded niggers anyways, who cares. Not me.

>>748253867
You all talk the same and have the same talking points over and over, there's no way there's more than a handful of you collective-dementia sufferers here.

>>748254909
How many tokens? Did you use Codex? I was trying to do some fucky stuff with public domain models with 5.6 and it really didn't come out nice. I don't want to blow through my weekly usage, so I'm curious.

>>748256059
When instead of underpaying jeets for code-monkeying you underpay them to prompt an AI.

>>748254909
are we gonna skip diffusion 3d modeling and go straight to LLM blender? those 3d model sites are still pretty ass but I assume they're far less resource intensive

>>748256290
why the fuck is it called "vibe coding" instead of just "ai coding" or whatever?? Didn't vibe coding used to mean coded sloppily by a human person??

>>748253640
Bro Notch doesn't care about any of that

If you're wondering why he's doing this it's because Notch might be the world's biggest quake fan and he idolizes John Carmack to a crazy level. Carmack is very vocal about his support for AI and Notch is trying to find a way to be his friend

>>748256130
>who cares. Not me.
You're gonna care when the "AI Native generation" is in charge of maintaining the complex systems that enable banking, healthcare, the power grid, communication infrastructure, and everything else that enable your cushy modern lifestyle. Do you even bother to think about more than a week into the future?

>>748255986
>AI can't program assembly language
Yes it can
>where are the vibe coded SNES games?
It's way too easy and pretty sure someone already has done it.

>>748253475
I have walking around with a big flaccid penis fatigue

>>748256169
Yes codex. I blew through a hundred dollars of tokens pretty quickly making a few batches of models, like 12 different types of trash cans and chairs. Ended up getting a GPT pro subscription. It's expensive but it's only a matter of time before an open source Chinese Astra comes out for a fraction of the price.
And no you cannot use gpt 5.6 sol for any of this. Astra is the only model I know that can do 3d models.

>>748255986
You could make a NES game in python, they’re not exactly complex

>>748255814
That is not topology
post the topology

>>748256329
>Didn't vibe coding used to mean coded sloppily by a human person??
because they're coding sloppily using AI I'd imagine

>>748256404
>I blew through a hundred dollars of tokens pretty quickly
Sad to hear. Someone who actually has passion for 3d modeling could just do that for free, and put a hundred dollars into their investment account.

>>748256329
The term was coined a few years ago when people were slightly more resistant to letting AIs take the wheel. It was a way of obfuscating the fact that "coders" aren't actually coding.

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>>748256404
I'll have to fuck around with that. My goal is to not have obvious AI assets anywhere player facing, and I thought taking free models that already existed and sort of "kidnapper magazine clippings letter"ing them together might produce something interesting. Bless its heart, 5.6 tried, but to very little useful effect.

>>748256295
Tried to use meshy, tripo and tencents 3d AI. Their topology is shit even tencents claimed smart retopology sucks. Unironically Astra mogs them all at manually creating in blender. If you're creating humans forget using AI, just buy headshot 3.

>>748256426
I am not at my computer right now. But the topology is fine, not optimal but serviceable, and blender decimate modifier can easily be used to generate LODs. Astra can also do LODs, haven't tried.

>>748256463
>passion for assembly line modelling garbage bins and chairs

>>748253025
Because it reduces the stranglehood trannies and furries have on software. Youre directly harming trans and neurodivergent lives by engaging in this instead of letting them code things

>>748256463
They can make hundreds of custom assets for $100 a month?
And then $20 a month when Kimi K4 releases?

>>748255446
Why would I need excel, a music player, or a clock when I have all 3 already and have for decades?

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>>748253025
The Indians that I work with use it for everything. They push their work without checking it and the lead devs are too busy / lazy to check the work. They're shitting up the entire project and our defect rate has sky rocketed.
"Vibe coding" should never be a thing. You should take a minute and check your work cause AI doesn't understand anything that.it's doing. You don't learn anything from just prompting.

>>748253712
>there is literally no oversight of what the AI puts out
I've seen this. Aside from the guardrails they feed our LLMs, no one questions much, and a lot of boomers and "business" professionals (contract officers, accountants, etc.) will blatantly copy/paste whatever the AI generates. It's pretty easy to spot if you have any experience with the systems, yourself. Worse, there are very few people who are trained in the basics of prompting, so there's a serious lack of quality happening.

That being said, I've appreciated how useful LLMs can be for learning new systems, coding basic applications, performing grammar reviews, and being a second set of eyes when I don't have a person to rely on. I've been using one to help me develop an Access database faster than I would on my own, and it's pretty easy to verify the code during each revision.

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>>748257454
It's really easy for me to spot AI in codebases because it writes sane comments and doesn't code like an inbred jamboy from Bangalore or a retard with a coding boot camp certification. If it works at this point, I just assume that Claude wrote it and I'm usually not wrong since it's better than 99.9% of "coders".

>>748256635
do post if you can when you get home, I really do want to see what it looks like

>>748252946
>>748253025
Vibe coding will erase worldwide human proficiency in coding, things will be horribly optimized and pratically no one will know the specifics of how code works.

AI might send us into a state where the technology we use will be a complete mystery to us within a few generations.

>>748257587
Being a SWE has always been about being a middleman between PMs, TPMs, managers, VPs and the machine anyway. They are just doc writers who "gather requirements" and host "design reviews" (which are just bike shedding). Some of them write lots of code because they enjoy it, some of them don't. That and you do oncall (SRE work) which AI can help with but an escalation chain always needs humans.

>>748253025
Because it's faster to just code it yourself. All you need are a few shortcuts to set up big syntactic blocks (loops etc) that are a pain to type out. Code autocomplete has been a thing forever. Vibe coding means you spend all your time wrestling with the AI and trying to get it to do it right instead of just doing it right the first time on your own. It doesn't increase productivity because you spend 30 minutes getting the AI to spit out something that would have taken 5 minutes to type out on your own.

Vibe coding is only useful for companies that didn't know how to code in the first place, because it lets them put out the illusion of a finished product (whereas before they would have had the artists make a fake mockup or something to scam investors). It's VERY useful for them, but it's not useful for anyone who actually knows what they're doing. I honestly don't know where the meme came from that experienced coders find it useful, nobody I know thinks vibe coding is faster. It smells like marketing talk, like they're trying to appeal to authority - the best coders in the world do it, so it must be okay! But they don't do it, so I guess it's not okay.

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>>748256059
magic

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>>748252946
You faggots will run back to us when AI eventually fucks shit up so bad, you'll need someone to actually look into the code to fix it up, or scrap it entirely and make it from scratch by human minds.

>>748257850
>Because it's faster to just code it yourself.
lmao
lol

>>748256404
could have just downloaded some shitty public domain jeet resource for free instead of getting it hallucinated back to you for 200 bucks you fucking moron.

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Anti-AI? Cringe
Anti-anti-AI? Cringe too

Why are normies such gigantic slaves to the principle of least effort? As soon as something cut corners they will immediately use it instead of trying harder to create a better product.

I just vibecoded a working mod for my game, I am happy with this as I have zero programming knowledge and would otherwise need to pay someone to vibecode it for me.
It may have taken a few hours to get visual studio and copilot working but once I did it only took a few hours again.

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>>748253025
You are gambling, you enjoy gambling, that's what "AI" is, it gives the impression of something, you can't see the illusion because you are the subject while we the audience, who are supposed to be the subject by the way, see the illusion and rightfully call it out as garbage and then you'll get mad and prissy while not realizing that we do not get your high of gambling with LLMs, we only see the garbage result.

>Lead singer of Breaking Benjamin vibe codes a Fallout 4 mod
>Actually takes time at his concert to bitch about people talking shit about his Fallout 4 mod on the internet while on stage

>>748255554
Retard, it's the reverse, you can still play a game where the character has 6 fingers in one frame, you might not even notice, it's not game breaking, but since a video game is the code, if it breaks then you cannot play at all, it's impossible to not notice.

>>748257984
But I prefer AI making my stuff over jeets. AI is made by whites and the Chinese.

>>748258252
vibed code is literally indistinguishable from human written code you fat fucking retard

>>748255986
vibe coded snes games are just pc ports now
it's not a coincidence these faggots all remembered their old IPs after ignoring fans pleas for decades

>>748258427
>AI is made by whites and the Chinese.
and it's still trained on a heap of free jeet assets. it's jeets all the way down

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>>748252946
I remember when AI art was just a novelty that could only create incoherent abstract messes.

Remember GenBreeder back in 2018? Who could have guessed that 8 years later AI would be overtaking the creative process in so many fields.

I remember when Vinny was messing around with it on stream, got this pic and used it for an album cover.

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>>748254516
>mfw a civvie (co-worker) throws a slop grenade (vibe code) right after truce (Friday evening).

>>748253712
Fucking this, everything single time you see one of those retard that say
>But we still do code review to ensure the quality is good
are just coping because they don't actually want to write it themselves and will accept anything as long as it seem to work.

>>748258493
>vibed code is literally indistinguishable from human written code you fat fucking retard
kek

>>748258113
OMAE YARIMATSUNEESUGI

>>748258572
>oh man, visual autocomplete is so cool

>>748258493
No it's not you dysgenic liar.

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>>748255986
>AI can't program assembly language,
It can but modern engines have AI integration now, it debugs, cleans, makes promps, it literally makes the games now. Modern game engines are made for indians and low IQ people. There's no reason to use assembly language.

>We will never see another game as good as Mega Man X, Super Metroid, or Chrono Trigger ever again

True . Coding talent and soon art talent will be completely dead.

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>>748253475
I have "I have anti AI fatigue" (fake) fatigue

>>748253591
Because nowadays motherfuckers can't accept they're wrong about something

I don't want to return to a world where I can't tell AI to code shit for me while I go take a nap or shitpost on 4chan.

Whats vibe coding

>>748258963
you ask the AI to make a program for you.

>>748258572
I've never heard of GenBreeder. QRD?
Also remember DeepDream? That shit is nightmare

>>748258720
Can't wait for all of these "businesses" to crash under lawsuits when they realize they can't blame the AI for the hallucinations it made that the users took for granted.

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>>748253025
because letting a system that lacks intelligence make decision leads to more problems than it solves

>>748259094
it doesn't hallucinate that much anymore it just doesn't give a fuck , you are swapping security and paying 1000 people for literal thousands and thousands of code written in a couple of minutes.

lol

lmao

Programmers lost. Zoomers didn't fought the man like the shit eating generation that they are.


Art wonned.

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>>748259094
>Can't wait for all of these "businesses" to crash under lawsuits when they realize they can't blame the AI for the hallucinations it made that the users took for granted.
You clearly can wait since you've been saying this same exact thing since GPT 3.5 came out 4 years ago lmao.

>>748253025
theres a difference between going:
>AI, do this for me. Copy, paste, done
and
>AI, do this for me. No! you did it wrong. DO IT AGAIN! WRONG AGAIN!

>>748257587
Honestly, I wish my engineers would at least use AI to perform a grammar check on their documents. Some of these guys could pass for illiterate.

>>748259587
man I wasted so many days trying to fix AI code. And the worst part is that it create so much code that I don't have time to actually understand any of it so I can't actually fix anything myself.

>>748259587
This. AI is shit at just about everything if you don't hold its hand and correct its mistakes. The best outputs are iterative.

>>748259721
Works in my payed model.

>>748253025.
All programming is just making tradeoffs, the issue is non-programmers don't know what tradeoffs to make for their use case, neither does the AI because the choice isn't always objective. This will never be fixed either because the issue is you not expressing what you want and the AI not knowing what you don't know you want.
If you write a robust spec of how you want the project laid out (all the state lives here, enemies are represented by data objects only all logic is computed in one loop here etc.) Then it doesn't matter if it's AI or a junior following your instructions it will all fall into place as you intend.

>>748253025
AI is dogshit at literally everything

>>748259989
When vibe coders are impressed by their lottery, it's often because the LLM plagiarized a whole repo, it's not like the LLM can think, it can only copy, so that depends on the quality of the stolen github repo, and guess what, with time, if they replace coders with LLM, all the repos will be made by LLMs then stolen by other LLMs, which will increase the LLM hallucinations, it will insert more and more errors and then no one will be formed to be a coder and it will crash, great plan, I'm not the only one who knows this, they know too, but it's a scam anyway so why bother.

>>748252946
>Blocked
Yeah, I am sure Notch was worth blocking with brown bricks in Minecraft.

>>748259989
Don't care. Just programmed a functional Text editor that saves Word documents and a radio station like spotify.

Eat shit.

this is nuts

>>748260338
I'm no AI evangelist but that is not how they work, they don't copy paste repos, they're a word predictor that has seen every repo on the planet.
They know how to make a method that does distance between points or whatever because they've seen a million people do it and can output the average of all of them (+ random)

>>748260501
That's great, those shitty little apps don't even have to consider performance or modularity or testing or UI to a huge user base because only youre using them, perfect use case for vibe coding.

>>748260814
>That's great, those shitty little apps don't even have to consider performance or modularity or testing or UI to a huge user base because only youre using them, perfect use case for vibe coding.

i don't care. Video game developers don't care. It works for me, YOU probably can't even code something like Claude.

People care about AI art cause it looks like trash. People don't care about AI being used in video games for the past 5 years cause they don't know about it.

I will never shed a single tear for the modern day programmer and neither should you.

>>748252946
Notch has always been retarded, he just got lucky and then did fuckall nothing with infinite money.

>>748252946
this swedish faggot couldn't even make ONE (1) good game, so it's better that he's finally just outsourcing

>>748257772
every time i prompt for code, i also ask it to explain to me in detail how it works and why it chose every choice that it did. how is that bad? im learning.

I've tried multiple times to try to learn to code and failed just to learn that I need 8 years under my belt to make something barely functionable
On top of that coders will shit on my code anyway
No one knows how to teach only preach about the joys of coding while being judgmental asshats who act smug and whine about ai
its either vibecoding for me or my ideas staying ideas for good

>>748261146
AI generates bad code, you're learning bad practices

>>748253025
If you handhold it the entire time then you'll be alright but people inevitably start out or become lazy and stop doing that. Somebody like notch is probably fine as long as he's being sufficiently autistic with it, plus he's a one-man dev team, so he's responsible for all his own failures.
In bigger groups, people are dipshits and lazy, so it never works out.

>>748256329
Vibe coders can't code. AI assisted coding is used by actual programmers.

>>748259315
>Using pre 2026 models
yeah those were bad but now it's amazing

>>748253025
Indians use it and then get angry when you do as well

>>748253719
You have never written a single piece of script in your fucking life. True script is binary 010101 we synthesise it into perceptual “languages” anyway which then translate into binary at the back end

And vibe coders will release a clone hours after its release. No need for piracy anymore.

>>748261146
Because you should be paying a university $100,000+ dollars for a degree to do that. You can't just "learn" to code, that's cheating.

>>748261351
No it doesn't fucking LOL

>>748253025
It's objectively not. It actively contributes to climate change, resulting in steadily increasing temperatures in the middle easy and south asia. This leads to more indian people dying.

Vibe coding and using AI is morally correct

>>748261885
NTA but this is a bad example because compilers are largely deterministic and must match code documentation while natural language has none of that. The best argument in favor of AI code is it works surprisingly well, but it can still have mistakes and struggles to meet technical requirements and SLAs, that's it.

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>>748252946
>Blocked

>>748262217
Another way to put it is that to turn prompts into code that is feature complete (but not even bug free) you aren't prompting anymore, you're a manager, PM and a tech writer, and that's 3 full time jobs.

>>748261989
You're right, the code is good.

>>748260952
You don't get it and might not ever.
say you want a game where you move enemies around, astra selects a pathfinding algo and makes it work, you neglect to tell it you Intend for there to be 10k enemies moving around, this won't work with that algo and will require flow fields and a grid and stuff but you've spent $8k vibe coding to this point and everything's built on the assumption of 10 enemies.

This is just 1 choice in 1 game, there's thousands of choices like this of varying importance, it's because you know what you want and unless you write a novel of docs the AI doesn't.

Saying "I don't care" is accurate, I believe you, were both project managers for an AI but you have no attention for detai, l this would have been true without the AI.

>>748262323
And also QA, test engineer, security engineer and SRE. And most FAANG SWEs already cover a large amount of these responsibilities themselves, e.g. every Amazon engineer is also an SRE for their own team, and every team everywhere manages their own testing & infra.
This is why jobs aren't disappearing yet.

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>>748253025
>Vibe code
>Code quality is bad
>Blame the AI
>Code quality is good
>Say nothing
How would you even know every software engineer isn't using AI already?

>>748261885
High level languages have unambiguous semantics which are preserved in the mapping to machine code. Also "binary" isn't really the right term, different ISAs all use binary but are completely different languages. The correct term is machine code

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>>748255446
>ANY program
That's a lie and you know it lol. I've used AI to build myself a few tools, but it becomes more and more retarded the more it has to code.

>>748262336
It's fantastic even. You've never toched a modern engine. You keep writing obsolete garbage for Linux. The world moved on.

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>>748253025
>>748252946
I'm not a coder but I've read stories of people complaining about how their "spaghetti code" makes problems either impossible or extremely difficult to diagnose and fix. I feel like using AI is like purposely injecting spaghetti code into your work just for convenience, which to me sounds like just setting yourself up for disaster down the road. Did I hit the nail on the head?

I think Notch should make Minicraft 2. It would be hilarious to see Microsoft squirm over the name.

>>748262736
yes. it will 10x your codebase for no gain, and you will end up with a design that is so overengineered and hard to understand that you become increasingly reliant on AI just to know how it works. which is their goal of course.

>>748252946
he's a pseud
what did you expect

>>748262573
True.. even I cant claim to be the expert
its why I use AI
>>748262217
Yea its kinda crazy to have actual engineers weighing in lol I’m literally just a code monkey who taught themselves how to code, and AI is incredibly useful in that, nobody was raising a stink about it when it couldn’t write for shit but now that its proficient people are getting wary

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>>748256862
Idk, why do i need to prompt art when i can draw it myself and why choose endless and constant goonslop when old artists and art was better?

To crash the market, remove the ladder and to be a bitter asshole towards those who allowed this to happen.

I don't need to buy excel, i can make my own.

>>748264290
This only happens if you're a mong with no systems design sense or ability to constrain the direction that the AI is going. If you simply let it do what it wants to, you're going to end up with spaghetti slop.

>>748253206
he caught the gay

>>748264693
i fully agree, but don't expect your boss to think the same.

i write low level c++ system code for major cloud services and we use AI to do it all now, we just review the output and tell it to change direction if it’s doing something stupid,
it’s literally over for us

only program i've ever worked on is the project i'm doing right now, and it's honestly only because GPT is built into visual studio now. half of the features are already finished. i didn't write a single fucking thing. it debugs itself.

i am too stupid for programming. the entire project exploded once already because of my lack of experience and i started it over from scratch, and somehow now it's even better. was only giving me anxiety before i started telling it to back itself up.

it does like to convolute itself into rabbit holes of nested bullshit. do i really think it takes 1000 lines of code to do what i'm doing, probably not, but it works so i don't give a fuck.

>>748253025
Good morning sir.

>>748253234
I mean, either you treat it as the collection of information it is
>I have seen/read thousands of instances of this being done
or you factor in the sheer number of times it has outputted it to people. Either way, it technically has.

>>748252946
he vibe codes because he has no friends

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>>748253025
the biggest problem with AI code is that the AI cant understand the "why" for certain practices and when you should do things.
for example, code re-use.
suppose you have a block of code thats the exact same in a multitude of different scripts, and if one of these blocks changes they'll all need to.
to cut down on the amount of crap that needs to be loaded and make future editing easier, any competent developer that notices this will merge them all into one globally accessible function that the respective scripts call instead.
the AI will not see the potential optimization unless it makes that code block into a distinct global function in the first place (not happening), it'll simply make a new code block every time (and there's a risk that it doesnt replicate the math perfectly either, leading to problems)
by the time you, the programmer, catch it this code block will be used over two dozen times, each one will be slightly different, and half the scripts will be reliant on this code block existing so you're going to need to edit those as well to fix it.
everything the AI does is like this. you project will be a mess, best case is that this doesnt impact performance for the end user but the likely case is that your game will run worse than a AAA

>>748254301
Jesus Christ what a dumb faggot