This destroyed the series.
>>748258781I'm glad this game revitalized Zelda and brought it back into the mainstream.
>>748258781Quality wise, yesPopularity wise, no
>>748259124I remember when this lolski used to post a variation of this in all his humiliation ritual threads.
>>748258781Saved it for me.Loved Zelda1...tolerated 2Loved Link to the Past(missed out on Link's Awakening unfortunately)Loved OoTEnjoy Wind WakerOkay, getting tired by Twilight PrincessJesus, are we just going to do the OoT formula over and over again?Again? Christ, I'm out.---BotW - I'm in againTotK - not keen on reused world, but overall way better than BotWI'm actually interested in what the next non-remake Zelda is now
>>748258781it’s better than the chinese nu-zelda. the remake looks like a 2010s “Nintendo hire this man!!!” HD compilation. Shits killing their franchise worse than botw ever could have
>2014>E3 teaser drops>"Guys look, it's open world Zelda!">Aonuma says it's breaking the conventions of the series>Old school fans think this means cooler dungeons and seamless overworld item progression>We were completely blind>2016>Game delayed to launch with the Switch to maximize casual sales metrics>Weapons shatter after hitting a mob three times>Voice acting introduced and it's completely generic anime tier>2017>Breath of the Wild launches>It's literally an open world tech demo with a Zelda skin slapped on it>Dungeons? Gone. Replaced by 120 identical neon blue corporate cubicle shrines>Traditional items? Hookshot, Boomerang, Mirror Shield? Scrubbed. Enjoy your remote bombs on a phone app>Iconic thematic progression completely castrated so casuals don't get lost>The "grand bosses" are literally four color-swapped blobs of malignant jelly called Ganon blights>Music is just random piano plinks every 45 seconds while you walk across empty fields>Gaming journalists immediately crown it the greatest game of all time because they can climb trees>Old fans pointing out the total lack of traditional structure get completely buried by casual hype drone>"Bro you're just mad you can't follow a linear path, the series needed to evolve!">2019>Sequel announced>Old fans cope and pray that traditional dungeons, key items, and tight progression return now that the engine is built>2023>Tears of the Kingdom drops>Literally the exact same map but they glued generic sky islands and a pitch black basement underneath it>Dungeons are still just "activate 4 terminals to open a door" baby puzzles>Weapon durability returns but now you have to fuse a rock to your sword so it looks completely ridiculous>Story is completely told via random memory flashbacks out of order, rendering actual player exploration totally immersion-breaking>Goodwill with the pre-2017 fan base completely shattered out of corporate greed for the 30-million-sales casual demographicTP 4EVR
>>748259440I'm not reading all that
>TokT has already been completely forgottenThis open world slop route for Zelda lasted exactly one game before losing all its shine lol
>>748258781No, Skyward Sword was proof enough that the OOT formula was getting stale
>>748258781Reminder that Tears of the Kingdom is the best Zelda game ever.
>>748258781Meanwhile in reality
>four swords adventuresThe one Zelda I never played
>>748258781this game actually ruined video games
>>748258781No, this idiot did but BotW did play a role in sealing the coffin.
>>748258781destroyed how
>>748258781The game itself was alright but we haven't had a new mainline entry in almost a decade.
botw and totk completely ruined the series
>>748262603Holy fuck lol
>>748258781The titan is returning to rule the earth once more
>>748263320...In a completely bastardized BotW version.
>>748258781More like saved 3d Zelda from mediocrity. Matthewmatosis puts it better than I can.
>>748258781>"destroyed"Saved*
>>748258781it's too damn empty
>>748258781Nah, it saved the series from being shitty OoT style games.
>>748258781The NA cover is Hollywood slop
Nope. But it and its sequel (as well as the games between it and Wind Waker) showcased that something happened to the series that made it go from consistently good to consistently half-baked.
>>748263320>Minuscule Hyrule Field with literally nothing to do in it>Most simplistic Dungeons of any 3D Zelda>Most simplistic combat of any 3D ZeldaAll those who got into the series with BotW are going to be disappointed. We're going to be hearing, "Wait, *this* is what people call the 'best game ever made'?"
>>748263518You're not saving anything with that measly 1.5 million copies on the original release.
>>748262603>Doesn't use the sort system>Starts at the far right of his inventory to fabricate an "issue"Ah, this classic clip. Good times. Notice how no review ever mentioned this? Because it's a self-inflicted problem.
>>748264321>Just ignore the horrible single row UI bro just press the magic sort button and the item you need will magically appear in front of youKill yourself
>>748263721Lmao
>>748264528>If you don't select items in Skyrim by first going through every item in your inventory you are doing it wronghuh?
>>748258781True. Ubisoft towers are not the height of the Zelda formula.
>>748264528Yes. Literally just sort by "most used," and it'll just be the 4-5 things you use the whole game. This is "I just love hearing my own voice" levels of bitching.
>>748258781Or maybe it paved the way for Ocarina to come back.
>>748263721That's fine, it's 30 years old and people will judge the remake by 1998 standards this isn't satire.
Ubishit ruined the open world genre
>>748258781It destroyed Nintendo, frankly.It's success pulled Nintendo out of bankruptcy, yes. But in doing so it ensured that Nintendo would become obsessed with replicating that success by trying turn every other game they make into that same kind of open-world slop.
>>748258781>>748266002Two Trvkes
>>748258781It's alright. Solid 7/10. Maybe an 8 if I actually explored more. I just found a lot of the mechanics annoying at times. Like the bosses and shit are ridiculously easy but the weapon health, climbing stamina, not being able to climb shit in the rain, having to watch your temperature. All that shit was just fucking annoying and not fun.
I love Kass!
https://youtu.be/4IakZtHzBL8?is=sD3xkZuleg_SOl4kIt's shrine theme is Kino
>>748258781ok boomer.
>>748258781I can't believe this came out in 2017 on 4gb ram hardware and it's so GOATED it's still gonna beat GTA 6
>>748258781>t. ootbab
>>748259393You're so close to realizing OoT has always been the problem
>>748271746How the fuck is "OoT the problem" when it's just 3D ALttP and they've even gone on record describing the "ALttP formula" and Twilight Princess as the culmination of that? Or are you one of those "THAT GOOD GAME THAT HAD WORSE GAMES COME AFTERWARDS? THAT MEANS THE GOOD GAME IS ACTUALLY BAD," retards.
They could have at least kept the tunic as the main identity of link but they even fucked with that too
You're still seething after all these years.
Just consider it and its sequel non canon developer experiments and don't pay more than $30 each for both games. Bam, suddenly they're decent experiences
>>748271829I will never understand retards who claim Zelda's formula was getting stale when Nintendo regressed the formula with each sequel by making the games even easier, more linear, and padded with cuts enes. Nintendo is afraid of just taking a formula and making it better for a lot of their franchises because they could have gone ahead and improved things like combat and dungeon design for their sequels but they just slap some gimmick on instead and call it a day.
They unironically should have just emulated picrel for a better sense of muh feeling of adventure and scale. What's wrong with biomes?
>>748259048This for better and worse. I blame Skyward Sword's simplified design and reception for causing BotW/TotK to exist though.>>748271878He has a point when elements of the Sheikah Slate/Zonai Arm Abilities as well as the UI design were integrated into the traditional isometric formula of EoW.
>>748258781Not intrinsically, but in typical Aonuma fashion the wrong lessons were learned from a latent, half-decent idea. BotW could be shaped into a good game, but TotK isn't it.
>People seething over Skyward. That game actually served its purpose. It's an important pillar of the saga by being the genesis of the series chronologically through clever explaining of the origins of the triforce. What did botw or totk add to the lore of importance?
>>748272614If its so important that its the FOUNDATION for all else on the "timeline" then it shouldn't have been treated as a throwaway game made just to show off motion plus. Nintendo clearly decided it was an important game, and all the rest of this mess, retroactively
>>748272702Filtered by motionPLUSYou realize there's a switch port now right? With full controller support?
>>748272767I do realize that. They still obviously decided it was a lore important game as an afterthought
>>748265193You know this doesn't fix anything if you trying to do a combination that you havent used before, right? I think you are the one who loves hearing their own voice.
>>748260094truth
>>748260275yeah, most people love and play Totknot even sure why people bitch about it anymore
>>748272026>I dont understand how making the same formulaic game for 20 years regressed the seriesthat's because you're retarded
>>748273585No one even thinks about Slop of the Goyim any more lmao
>>748274130you're living in an echo chamber for sure
>you're living in an echo chamber for sure
FTFYDon't get me wrong, BotW is dogshit, but in my opinion TP cemented the idea that the series could make no effort to advance the mechanics of the genre/medium and at the same time have a completely nonsensical, borderline incoherent narrative along with a cast of mostly unlikable/forgettable characters and it still be considered above-average.I mean really, 8.6? This shit is a 5/10 by '06 standards. Definitely the first instance of the "Nintendo Bonus" at least in regards to this IP.
>>748258781The series was destroyed first by putting Aonuma in charge of it, then by using Link's crossbow training to flush out anyone who gained experience under Aonuma so that they team could be handed off to Fujibayashi who is more of a manager of competent teams than he is someone who can tardwrangle a team that has no veterans with initiative and skill.>>748259393>>748273736The formula stopped being used with SS and the SS formula was reused for BotW and TotK.>>748262603The UI was already shit with SS. Putting a giant wiimote on the side of the screen is not the sign of competent UI.>>748265193>Game gives you untold freedom, hundreds of items to combine, infinite vehicles to create>Solution to how awful the game's UI is is to just push through it to make 4 or 5 optimal things and autosort and autobuild those things for the rest of the game >>748266002The openworld genre always sucked as anything but a freeroam mode for games with momentum based traversal>>748272614>Genesis of the series chronologically>ANOTHER PRECURSOR RACE OH BOY
>>748275710>Fujibayashi This motherfucker is directly responsible for the series going to shitBut his first role in a zelda game were the GOAT Oracle gameswhat the fuck man how do you one hit wonder that hard
>>748272614>through clever explaining of the origins of the triforcethe triforce existed under your sky home the entire timeGanondorf was created because some literal who was salty you beat him in a sword battlefuck skyward sword
At least we have this kino.
>>748275710>The formula stopped being used with SS
>>748275915ew
>>748275864Competent developers working under him. He's clearly got some good ideas, but he can't take initiative and supply all the ideas 100% of the time.There's a reason that the new games made under him fall back so heavily on a handful of tropes and special minigame bullshit logic infecting everything (Scrapper for instance), and it's that he's working with the aftermath of the Zelda team being told that their ideas don't matter and that they would be better off making simple minigame collections.>>748275941Yes.Just look at the world design of SS, it has more in common with a Mario 64 or Sunshine style game where you revisit areas to get different stars than it does with a Zelda game. The game also deemphasized dungeon items heavily. It pays lip service to the formula, but it's not following it.
>>748271646ok zoomer
How would (You) have followed up Skyward Sword?
>>748277501Twilight Princess 2 with a written letter of apology for skyward sword in every copy of the game
>>748277773Gameplay-wise, isn't Skyward Sword already just Twilight Princess 2?
>>748277501>Bring in Koizumi and Tezuka>Burn Miyamoto in effigy and file a restraining order>Run a bunch of gamejams to farm ideas for a mainline game that can be made in 1-3 years even if that means reusing Twilight Princess or Ocarina of Time 3D assets for a 2014 titleDoesn't matter if it's 8.8 tier, just make another one, doesn't matter if it's not worth a full game, just release it for 20 bucks. If Nintendo had kept the Majora's Mask release schedule, we'd have 20 or more Zelda titles instead of four and a half (it's Wind Waker, not Tears of the Kingdom, expectations subverted) overbudget games that are divisive anyway.>>748277817>Worse UI>More rigid sword and item play, can't even swing while moving>Feels more linear, because you are just sent to do an endless succession of "and then" filler>Flight gimmick has no impact on the game>Instead of coming up with a story reason to do shit, the game just relies on the minigame logic that should be kept to the game's actual minigamesNo.
>>748276414>Just look at the world design of SS, it has more in common with a Mario 64 or Sunshine style game where you revisit areas to get different stars than it does with a Zelda game. The game also deemphasized dungeon items heavily. It pays lip service to the formula, but it's not following it.This. Especially the part about treating the main areas of the games acting like sandboxes with padded content (Silent Realm missions, Eldin Volcano Stealth Section, Tadtone Hide & Seek, all of the Forbidden One refights). They really stretched the assets pool and environments as thin as they could get away with (particularly the final dungeon to collect the Triforce Pieces being a copypasta of previous areas tossed in a salad bowl). The Sandship and Ancient Cistern were the only fleshed out and distinct dungeons and even then latter only for the underground section.>>748277501>How would (You) have followed up Skyward Sword?Expanded on it's motion controls and just added more variety in items and areas. They could have made a MM/BotW sequel where you are settling New Hyrule and using the Loftwings to travel across the Surface and added to their flight/aerial combat mechanics.
>>748278030>Worse UIHow is it worse? It still has the radial menu for items, and while it's otherwise fairly bland, so is TP's.>More rigid sword and item play, can't even swing while moving.While not being able to swing while moving is a downgrade, it's also not very major. TP had a lot of extra moves but they don't really have much utility, while Skyward Sword is designed from the ground up around directional sword swings.>Feels more linear, because you are just sent to do an endless succession of "and then" fillerHow is that any different than TP? There were tons of filler quests between dungeons in that game. Skyward Sword just iterated on what TP established. Isn't that what a sequel would do?>Flight gimmick has no impact on the gameAt least there were little courses to fly through and minor points of interest between islands, while there was essentially nothing to do with Epona other than go from point A to point B while ignoring the same respawning enemies.>Instead of coming up with a story reason to do shit, the game just relies on the minigame logic that should be kept to the game's actual minigamesTP forces a ton of minigames onto the player as well, like forcing you to do the Lake Hylia river rafting, Goron sumo wrestling, goat herding, etc. How is this any different than what SS does, other than SS doubling down on it, which is what a sequel would do?
>>748277817You have never played a Zelda game before
>>748278430just stop posting anon. You have no clue what you're talking about.
>>748278648Would someone who's never played a Zelda game before be able to point out things that SS iterates on directly from TP?>>748278698Could you explain how SS is a departure from TP in its core design/structure?
>>748278430>How is it worse? It still has the radial menu for items, and while it's otherwise fairly bland, so is TP's.Even when you disable the Wiimote overlay, the game still dumps UI on the side of the screen in a bar. It doesn't have hotkeys anymore, even when the d-pad is mostly available. The radial menu is also less snappy, since it uses gyro and not the analog stick, which is certainly a choice.>While not being able to swing while moving is a downgrade, it's also not very major. TP had a lot of extra moves but they don't really have much utility, while Skyward Sword is designed from the ground up around directional sword swings.Wind Waker also had a combo system that wasn't necessary, having extra flourishes that aren't strictly necessary is just game design. The directional sword swings are purely functional and also completely interchangeable when not using them for Simon-Says.>At least there were little courses to fly through and minor points of interest between islands, while there was essentially nothing to do with Epona other than go from point A to point B while ignoring the same respawning enemies.You can't dismount the Loftwing anywhere (Skyloft will always have loading zone), you can't fly when you set Skyloft to night mode, you can't use items while on the Loftwing or really do anything against the enemies you ignore that isn't boosting into them, The Loftwing is even more limited than Epona was.>TP forces a ton of minigames onto the player as well, like forcing you to do the Lake Hylia river rafting, Goron sumo wrestling, goat herding, etc. How is this any different than what SS does, other than SS doubling down on it, which is what a sequel would do?TP comes up with a reason to do these things that feels coherent while turning them into a game, SS does not put in the effort to make the reasoning feel coherent. You descend from the Sky with your robot and your robot decides to land at the bottom of the mountain.
It's a good game desu, but it ruined Nintendo's mindset when making new entries. Now every new game in their top series has to have le open world. Metroid? Open world. Mario Kart? Open world. Fuxking Kirby? Open world. Zelda and Pokemon were the only series that made sense to give the open world treatment and Zelda was the only one to do it competently.If the next Mario is true open world (Odyssey doesn't count), I'm ripping my pubes off.
>>748278929>the game still dumps UI on the side of the screen in a barTwilight Princess also had an item HUD in the shape of the controller being used. It's laid out in a vertical bar because the Wiimote is held vertically when playing. Twilight Princess's Wii version does the same thing.>It doesn't have hotkeys anymore, even when the d-pad is mostly availableI agree that this is a downgrade.>The radial menu is also less snappy, since it uses gyro and not the analog stickDoesn't the snappiness of gyro compared to analog boil down to how accurate you are with pointing? While selecting with the analog stick may technically be faster, any difference in actual time taken seems marginal.>having extra flourishes that aren't strictly necessary is just game designHow is having elements in the game that the game fails to capitalize on/utilize in its design "just game design"? Isn't having a bunch of extra moves without any utility exposing a lack of design around those moves?>The directional sword swings are purely functionalMoves having function within the game's design is a positive thing.>and also completely interchangeable when not using them for Simon-SaysIn terms of damage output, sure, but the same can be said of most moves in TP (though a lot of them are also contextual and you can't use them at will anyway).>The Loftwing is even more limited than Epona was.While you may be able to do less things while on the Loftwing, this is the same kind of argument as the above. Even though you can do lots of things on Epona, most of them have very little actual utility outside of the sword and the bow. In terms of functional gameplay, you usually just run over enemies in the road, just liek you boost into them on the Loftwing. The flying segments have more things to do while you're on the way to the destination though with small navigational challenges, while in TP you're going straight across empty terrain.
>>748258781I still haven’t played it
>>748278929>SS does not put in the effort to make the reasoning feel coherentI see what you're saying now, and I agree. The robot section going up the mountain is one of the worst things I've ever played in a Zelda game and I almost dropped the game there. Though SS definitely does its filler quests worse, TP had plenty of them as well.
>>748279397Got my Switch in 2018, didn't play it until 2021. Still haven't beaten it
>>748258781>daily snoygger seethinglullmao-200million karma to ziony
>>748279397You aren't missing out on much
>>748262603oh looksealiontranny showed up-150million karma to ziony
>>748279606lol that looks like shit
>>748279672What a disgusting abomination of a game
>>748258781Ocarina of Time destroyed the series.This brought it back.Quit acting like it's yours. You've been on borrowed time.
>>748279673>>748279698keep malding.For ten more years at least.
>>748278836I know what you're trying to do and it isn't going to work. Fuck off faggot.
>>748258781I'd argue that the relative loss of Japanese soft power in favour of China is because BotW had so little brand power behind it. It doesn't feel like a Zelda game. It feels like a tech demo for a different game series. It left a gap that Genshin could abuse by basically taking their completed design and slotting in their own IP. If there had been more Zelda DNA in the game, Genshin could never have stolen it, and China as a whole would probably still not be a major player.
>>748280135Genshin was successful because of its business model, the fact that it wasn't tied to specific hardware, and preying upon gooners. It being a BotW clone is only incidental.
>>748279365>How is having elements in the game that the game fails to capitalize on/utilize in its design "just game design"? Isn't having a bunch of extra moves without any utility exposing a lack of design around those moves?Adding some more variety gives more room for player expression and play, which also gives the developer opportunities to reward the player for doing things with minor immaterial rewards, allowing them to encourage experimentation and guide the player towards having fun. If there is no room for expression and everything has a defined gameplay purpose, then the only avenue to get the player to do anything is to define a strict call-response that the player has to follow, and that's not really game design it's just rote learning or a Skinner box at best.It's like how Mario's triple jump isn't strictly necessary, but it also just feels weird and wrong when the 3D world games decided to just have a 1-2 bounce.
This destroyed your asshole. Cry harder, chang.
>>748279606And BotWtrannies shit on OoT's combat. Good lord.
>>748279824Every webm you post makes the games you post look like dog shit
>>748279824TOTK is really an impressive game
>>748279824>Your Spiked Boko Bow is badly damaged.
>>748280382>gives the developer opportunities to reward the player for doing things with minor immaterial rewardsI agree with this to an extent. It does feel cool to do the finishing sword sheethe move, or backflip off Epona, even though there's no utility in doing so, and I do think those add to the game. I just think regarding the swordplay specifically, one of TP's major issues is that its combat encounters fail to properly capitalize on all the new moves that it gives you. It has one of the most expansive movesets for Link in the series, but once the novelty factor wears off, there's no reason to use most of the moves. It feels like the enemy design doesn't properly mesh with Link's abilities. SS's simon-says-like segments aren't ideal either, but it also doesn't have the same issues where your moveset feels underutilized and inconsequential.
>>748279824Is this genshin impact?
>>748258781looks like it destroyed nintendo in general.its all open world slop now.
>>748280704The genuine worst part about the two recent games is the weapons breaking >Muh fuse mechanicStill shit. The game always is against you so you never truly feel like a badass
>>748278030Thank god retards like this aren't in charge of game development.
What was the last good Zelda
