There's a new private server coming out in 2 days how come nobody is talking about it?
I tell everyone about the private server dev who lives on 4chan and who’s wife left him
private server for a game that's been dead for decades, lmao, huge news indeed for all 50 people interested and I probably overshot my estimation by a large margin
XI private servers are made by schizo trannies for schizo trannies. There is irrefutable proof in the generals on vm. There's no reason to play a private server, ever.
>>748258920>private serveryikes!
>>748259143There's like 80k active players monthly on it way more then whatever fotm love service slop you play
>>748259194it's mentally ills of all kinds, i know, i ran headfirst into that jello block the size of a doorway just because i had some nostalgia.
>>748258920I was going to make a thread tomorrowWhich nation are /we/ rolling? I picked glorious San d'Oria
Because FFXI sucks
>>748258920>probably the only fresh start we'll get for another 4 or 5 yearsI'm playing just for that, fresh XI is so good. It's a shared struggle with the entire server and you have to work together to do everything, it's a fantastic sense of adventure to progress your character in that environment.
>>748259548I won't be playing XIV ever, sorry!
>>748259548lol filtered
>>748259548F I L T E R E D
to you guys who have played on a lot of private server before, what's a good job to take to max level first?
>>748258920Can anyone explain the differences between this and horizonxi without turf wars?
>>748258920My MMO days are fucking over.
>>748258920Oh wow so you mean another techbro did enough K to believe hes transgender and he is setting up a private server to pay for his HRT. Again.
Hmmm do I play a continuation of the greatest MMORPG or a private server for one of the worst?That's a real brain buster, champ.
>>748259194^ This. /thread
>>748259548
>>748258920QRD on FF11? Why do people dislike it?
>>748261154WoWbabbies look at an MMO that doesn't function the same way as WoW and they get angry.
>>748261154It depends. If it's an unc that dislikes it, it usually means he played for a month in 2004 and got frustrated over something and quit. If it's a zoomertranny, they get filtered by the UI because they're mentally incapable of saying "ok this older UI is going to take me an hour to get used to, I'm going to deal with it" and just seethe and quit.
>>748258920I dont have interest in starting over and letting XI consume another 5 years of my life unless its a wow forever type situation. I want Vanilla+ thats XI-2 not XI again.>>748261064Cute cat
>>748260806THF is probably the absolute best but really any 75 opens up a lot of the gameexcept maybe PUP
>>748261154Least interactive MMORPG ever made.
>>748261154The UI is awful, like genuinely terrible, like hasn't been meaningfully updated since 2004 bad, and no longer is suitable for the game as it excisted in 2008 let alone today bad. The game was left to die around when XIV got rebooted but still expects a monthly fee in 2026.
>>748260920Horizon has a lot of custom changes in the name of Era+, it's also almost 4 years old and it's closed sourcePhoenix is fully focused on polished era with some QoL stuff and it's open source
>>748261315what's the deal with leveling thf on a new server anyway? when do you swap to the ninja sub? isn't ninja not very feasible to level initially because you need to wait on crafters to make shihei?
>>748261154it was a mmo made for the ps2. even when it was released, the menus and combat felt bad.
>>748261154It all boils down to pic related
>>748261154They fall into 5 categories.>WoW players who don't know their roman numerals.>People who dislike FF games in general>People who are FF fans but dislike MMOs>Private server players who hate the real game but only like their server of choice>Genuinely uninformed retards like >>748261662
>>748258920Does it update the painful UI and controls? If not then there's no point.
>>748261432>>748261662>>748261826Filtered retards.
>>748261854TL note: by 'sexy people' we mean 'autistic 35+ yo trannies'
>>748261951if you think the ui and combat is good for a 3d mmo, then you’re the retarded one
>>748261826>>748261932>>748261662I'll never understand people who cry about the UI, it's clean and easy to work with because it's a standard FF menu. It was slow in the past but it's not a game that requires lightspeed menuing. All of your gameplay is done via what amounts to a partially hidden hotbar that has literally hundreds of buttons you can assign and pages to swap between with ease.
>>748262021It's okay, we dont want you playing FFXI anyway.
>>748262021You're clearly barely literate, but the fact that you're holding a game developed in the year 2000 up to modern standards is retarded.
>>748258920>how come nobody is talking about it?game sucks
>>748261969No way, the two sieves filter out the trannies.
>>748262021This image scares people who have a birth year starting with the number 2.
>>748261826>even when it was released, the menus and combat felt bad.It's literally just a console JRPG. If you can play FFX you can play FFXI. It controls exactly the same. This sort of confusion comes from WoWniggers who can only think in terms of how WoW controls.
>>748262045It's funnier because xiui exists now which lets you turn it into the FF14 UI.
>>748262092MMOs should be expected to update themselves, why else are people paying a monthly fee. If your game is still rolling with a UI from two decades ago thats an issue.
>>748262139You can samefag 100 posts in here, I still shan't be playing FFXIV, it's WoW skinned tranny dogshit.
>>748262092wow came out two years later and killed ffxi
>>748262175Nested menus is bad design.
>>748262045>it's a standard FF menuPrecisely. FF games are notorious for having gawd awful menu navigation.
>>748262280>Press down to select Magic>Press down three times to select Firaga>click on enemy you want to cast Firaga onWooooowwwwwww
>>748262280It's a good thing the game also has a hotbar so you don't have to use the menus if you don't want to.
>>748258920I tried the last big one and the dev team was full of faggots spying on people’s chats for wrong think, giving themselves and their buddies boosts and items, along with being obnoxiously vague about what they changed about the game and what was and wasn’t working properly. Was fun revisiting the game for a little while though
>>748262458>being obnoxiously vague about what they changed about the game and what was and wasn’t working properlyI won't say anything about the other things because nibody fucking knows, but I can promise you 100% that this won't happen on this server
Because it plays like shit on mouse and keyboard. Nips don't know how to make a good PC port, even if their lives depended on it.
>>748262675Play it on controller like you're supposed to, WoWnigger.
>>748262675lil bro is too young to know how to put both hands on the keyboard
>>748262160
>>748263014^ This, what it says on the screencap, but unironically. It's me.
>>748258920Is this game worth playing at 0-2 hours a day?
>>748263134no not really
>>748262182You need like 3 times the number of button presses in menus with 10x the number of items in a single line to do anything in XI versus X in.
>>748263185>macros don't existOnce again, proven a retard.
>>748263185If you're too stupid to sort your menus, you can macro.
>>748263232for me it's ctrl+m and ctrl+j. sometimes ctrl+w for weapon skills.
>>748263115I want you to take a look at your average GDQ between, say, 2018 and now?
>>748261951>gargling shit, choking>finally finish swallowing it>everyone is watching, pointing, and laughing>"heh.. filtered."
>>748263503However you need to cope with getting filtered, idc.
>>748262638The way you say that makes me think 100% it will happen.
>>748258920nigga just play ffxiv holy shit
>>748263632I say it like that because you can literally go look at the code
Me and some of my friends will be playing. Can't wait.
>>748263503I love how in new games, it means "shit game shit design" but if it's a boomer game, you can just squeal "filtered" because it's different somehow.
>>748258920i did horizon on launch and it was fun but idk if i got it in me again also gonna play wow forever with frens in a few months anyway
>>748263997Filtered.
>>748263997QoL features ruin video games.
>>748261154MMO zoomers need the screen to be cluttered with UI elements at all times for some reason, even when the game doesn't need it at all
>>748264005my plan is to do phoenix->wow forever->the ff14 expansion. i might dual box phoenix and wow forever for a bit like a peak degen faggot. you can easily camp some nms on the side in ff11 while leveling in wow, you can probably level something like monk easily too.
Ill try it after I beat 14. I just finished stormblood today.Wait until December to launch please.
>>748263997Dude wonders why no one wants to play with him, but when given an answer he just says 'filtered' over and over. Its pretty sad.
>>748264204it's pretty funny>please play our game it's cool>no i don't like it because x, y, z>FILTEREDwoman type vindictive response
>>748264204Why do you think anyone cares if people on /v/ get convinced to play? A few people playing won't change a thing for the game or it's trajectory, you deranged xiv troon.
This whole thread turned to shit. I just wanna state that I love this game. I've put 500 hours in it so far and I started in January. My son loves the login jingle through PlayOnline. Nothing makes me more excited than popping a WS or hitting a magic burst as SMN. I won't be playing a PS, but I will continue to slowly burn through all the content up to WotG at lvl 75 to experience it like God intended. Yes, this means I have done all rank 10 questlines for each of the nations. I fucking HATE the Magicite quest. Castle Oztroja is cool though.
I'm playing on Catseye right now, though.
>>748264186If you've never tried XI you'd probably want to play retail instead.
>>748259194>There's no reason to play a private server, everThere is if you want to experience the old game. I've played on two private servers before. It was fun just to run around, reactivate all that muscle memory, compile a list of things to do as a newbie and start checking them off. It's fun for a couple weeks or months every few years.>>748262675It's not an FPS or RTS, why use mouse and keyboard?
>>748263997the flaws are excused because there wasn't a standard for console mmos or even mmos in general back theni think xi was the first until everquest happened, unless you count phantasy star online as a console mmo
>>748264334see? this is a lot more logical than just screaming filtered. thank you for making sense.
>>748264334>think xi was the first until everquest happenedyou've got it backwardsFFXI copied a lot from EQ
>>748264284I was too poor for internet and subscriptions when it was a thing
>>748264272He probably considers himself a woman so that behavior tacks.
>>748259194>XI private servers are made by schizo trannies for schizo trannies.games like XI are all schizo tranny hubs, I don't know what to tell you.that kinda lifeless neet autism attracts trannies like nothing else. and i'm willing to bet no small amount of people who started out playing xi as normal people also trooned out over the years, adding to that pile
>>748264372>>748264487You got BTFO here >>748261271 so no real response was needed afterwards.
>>748264509Yeah, it's MMOs in general that attract schizos and trannies, both private and retail servers. MMOs are autism magnets and neet magnets.
ATTENTION:I WILL NOT BE PLAYING FFXIV, EVER.Thanks.
>>748264509To this day I have never met a single trans person while playing XIMaybe it's exclusively a private server thing?I've met several on XIV however, but also a number of actual women
>>748261154Over the years, I've heard three general complaints, which everything else can be filed under.1. It's slow, grindy and most content requires cooperating with others. For both immersion reasons and "we need to keep people playing until the next update" reasons, the game notoriously does not respect your time. Most of the time when you want to go somewhere it'll take 15-45 minutes of travel, sometimes just sitting around doing nothing. You level up by grinding monsters like in a JRPG and hitting level cap takes 200 hours of just that and most people can only stomach so much of it. I hit cap in 10 months and people thought I was cracked. As for cooperation, not everything requires a 6-man party of players with the right jobs within a 3 level window, but the main stuff does after level 10. It's basically a 90s JRPG with 3D graphics but your party is controlled by real people and there's a chat room for communicating with them, so lots of people just sit around chatting.2. The UI and controls. It's a Final Fantasy game for the PS2 and it controls exactly how that sounds. It's not an action game, it's very wooden and has auto-attack, and there's not a ton of hotkeys and icons on the screen, most things require menuing. If you're a console gamer, that sounds fine; if you're a PC gamer, that sounds dumb and archaic and gross and slow and convoluted. You do get some macros, though. Regardless, FFXI was made before WoW turned the genre into an RTS wannabe.3. It was the brown and bloom era and it's an open world game on a PS2, so as you can probably imagine, there's a lot of brown and gray. It doesn't exactly look the way everyone wants their MMORPG to look. I've always defended the game as looking that way because it's meant to be realistic, so it's immersive (it wouldn't be immersive if the entire world was purple or something), but I would for sure add more color if I remade the game myself. It's an online PS2 game, you can only expect so much.
>>748261854This post gets realer and realer every single fucking day.>>748261154Normies get filtered It's that simple no need to think too much about it"bweeeeeeh why is the game not made for ME ME ME" "what do you mean i have to use a menu BWEEEEEE BWEEEEEEH" makes troons and low iq tards mald.
>>748264565Yes, MMOs do that because they're social hubs.But the older ones, like OSRS, classic WoW, FFXI are particularly egregious about it because they reward neetdom like nothing else, and there's no bigger overlap than there is between neetdom and trooning out.
>>748264565FFXI does NOT atract troons, FFXIV does thanks to the extreme casualization and shitty gameplay. You can easily tell the type of game that a troon plays by the amount of RPing in the threads.
>>748264892>FFXI does NOT atract troons
>>748264758There were a lot of sus guys playing girls in XI and I did meet my very first tranny there, long before it became a political topic. There was a "girl" and a gay dude I was jokingly in a love triangle with once. The gay dude was my friend and this "girl" was some newbie or friend of a friend or something. I didn't see them for a little while and someone made an off-hand comment to me and I'm like, "What do you mean," and they laughed at me, "He's a dude! You didn't know?" I thought he was just an ugly chick.
>>748264973Correct.
>>748265029lol i remember mithra players were catfishing guys for stuff all the time on my server.
>>748265051Yeah, I'm sure there's no troons in the game that rewards being a recluse and spending your life inside of your own room with no other obligations.Did the tooth fairy also visit last night?
>>748264973It doesn't attract troons, there's like 95% less options for self expression in things like transmog/glamour compared to XIV or WoW where they can make clubs and do gay shit.
>>748265116They moved to FFXIV a long long long time ago. The old player base would never ever allowed those fucking retards to ruin the game.
>>748265181>>748265183Yeah, all those games with transmog and glamour like the classic Legend of Zelda and Sonic games, am I right.
>>748265116Most people on Phoenix rolled men.
>>748265259Millenial troons are too old and probably acked by now.Zoomer troons can't play FFXI due to their low IQ and brain capabilities.Case closed stop being a fucking nigger about the game, FFXIV is troon haven, FFXI is Sexy people land.
>>748265362>Case closed because I'm copingWe all know the truth. Old MMOs are troon haven and haven for oldfags who trooned out.
>>748264797>It was the brown and bloom erahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxxuMo_H6Y0FFXI has always been and will always be a fucking gorgeous game.
>>748264973Private server XI =/= Retail XI
>>748265403The only old MMO with troons that i know of is Second Life and even then they were an extreme minority.Sorry that the zoomniggers generation ruined everything for everyone but not FFXI, FFXI is still a shitty clean mmo
>>748265406>>748265462>>748265485triple TRVKES
>>748265485>The only old MMO with troons that i know of is Second LifeNow I know you're memeing.
>>748265362You're going to be in for a rude awakening I guess
>>748265114In 2004 my entire linkshell started helping a mithra player get her artifact gear after promising they'd help me first, I'm still seething about it to this day.They claimed it was because a WHM was needed more for when we hit end game, but I know the truth.
>>748261154I genuinely hate EQ, have always hated EQ, and FFXI has almost everything about EQ that absolutely sucks because it was patterned off of EQ. Some fucktard is going to accuse me of being an XIV player but I hate that game too for different reasons.
>>748265682when i played on horizon, he's kinda right. i only met real women on there. which was honestly worse, real women are guild destroyers.
>>748265786>I hate group play, a tight knit community, depth in my class design, and a general feeling of journey over the rewardI respect your opinion but it's pretty fucking awful.
>>748265362yeah, I don't buy it.XI and XIV both appeal to troons in different waysXIV in the obvious dressup garbage and pretty charactersXI in being a dated game that rewards purely free time and a willingness to spend it all on a game. the kinds of games troons flock to because it's something their ilk almost exclusively have access too and can sink their claws into and subvert or use as some kind of badge of legitimacy to feed their own ego
>>748265830That's a whole lot of words I didn't say.
>>748259143>50 people interested There are currently 3869 characters registered and it'll probably be 4000 by launch day but sure no one is interested.
>>748265776the officers in my linkshell gave a newly joined mithra whm a noble’s tunic over me who has been in linkshell helping with everything for months. that same mithra a couple months later started talking on teamspeak and it was obviously a guy but the fags still pretended he was a girl.
>>748265954way too many niggas
>>748265285>Most people on Phoenix rolled men.What's that first one there, anon?>>748265803The only women I've met in FFXI in recent years were old (everyone's old) and no one was really barking up those trees. Instead, my experience was the opposite: they were disgustingly open about their sex lives. I played on a private server and told myself I wouldn't talk to anyone, I just wanted to run around the world and do some quests and stuff, but a girl offered to help me with something and I politely accepted. She eventually gave me a pearl so I put it on and said hello to her friends, and one of them said, "You brought another strange man here, huh?" and she immediately regaled me with her entire history of sleeping with strange men, in detail. I never saw her again after that and they said she does that (alcohol or depression or something).But even in retail, 9/10 social encounters end up going poorly. It's a social game full of people who don't like each other.
>>748261154Success breeds jealousy.
I played on catseye from 2022~2023 and had a great time. I miss it dearly, group I was playing with were great and I have a ton if very fond memories. I just lack the time needed to fully commit to a game like XI these days. Otherwise id still be letting it consume my life.
>>748266374Oh sorry I didn't realize you were genuinely too low IQ to read a basic chart. Have a nice day. Hope it gets better.
>>748266374>It's a social game full of people who don't like each other.real life doesn't have mithra
>>748266374most of the women that i ran into were at endgame and they were all jockeying for loot and trying to cozy up to officers. they were all extremely manipulative, i'd rather have ran into the whores or a bunch of troons even.
>>748266451>incredibly disingenuous and aggressive.>obsessed with troons 100% a troon madling that people play ffxi over his shitty mmo or a mental case. funny, that's 4chan in 2026 for you.
>>748266451I'm not saying what you said was wrong, but your argument that Phoenix won't be full of trannies is a chart showing Mithra is the most picked race. You do retail Mithra was NOT the most popular option in retail? Why is it here? Is it because maybe there's a difference between who played retail 20 years ago and who's playing this private server? That difference appears to be whatever would cause people to like Mithras more than they used to. What might that be, do you think?
>>748264431He's talking about EQ Online Adventures, the console game.
>>748267163nta but if you add up all the totals, male characters outnumber female characters which is the obvious point he's making.there's also sweaty metafags that like mithra because it's bis for some jobs and it's the only race that can do ddex memes, the female totals for every other race are way below their male equivalents. the shocker is that the metafags aren't all playing galka though.
>>748261154it's really old by MMO standards, so a lot of people either:1. miss what it used to be2. never got to experience it when it was good this happens with wow too to a lesser extent
>>748267434>It's a really old console MMO*ftfyEven ultima aged better than ffxi despite being older but FFXI has incredible design, world, music, characters. Extremely soulful game, everyone must try.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVYhcXmXSB0
>>748267658Ultima's UI sucked huge ass though, we used to use macros just to deal with its shortcomings.
>>748261802If you're serious about rushing to 75 as THF then you're the one who's making shihei but yeah it's fucked, leave it to the giga autists who will be playing 20 hours a day
>>748265406>>748267658Yeah I save pretty much any screencap of XI I see nowadays.
>>748267898i was thinking that thf as a second job to 75 might be better because of ease of access to shihei and acid bolts once crafters are making them.
>>748259194Pretty much. Horizon was the first time I've met so many damaged people in one place, I understand things are different now but fucking hell it's filled with sociopaths.
>>748267968Have another one, friendo.
Don't play this if you have bad eyesight and don't want to squint at confusing menus.
>>74825892012 is my favorite FF so I'm pretty much guaranteed to like this, right? never played 14 either so I don't really know what an MMO is supposed to feel like
>>748268760old school FFXI is way, way grindier but it's kind of similar I guess
>ffxi riveting gameplay:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgYP6tp-ExU?t=596
>>748259194this. they all fucking suck and the community is toxic without actually being good
>>748269280>doxxeye
>>748261154it takes a bit for the combat to really open up. there’s a big skill increase at level 60, level 75, and now again at i119/job points. everyone I’ve ever met that dislikes 11 never made it past the first limit break, so level 50
>>748269280Thanks, it's going to be my first time trying FFXI so hopefully this guide is helpful.
>>748261154it's not WoW and actually takes some skill and effort to play a job (you can't just quest your way to max level)
>>748262045I've played the game for more than a decade, and the UI IS dogshit. You just learn to deal with it (typically, by replacing most of it with addons) after a while. >inb4 it's perfect, you just got filteredGo ahead and try organizing your spells for multiple different roles/encounters on BLU, for example.
>>748261154XIV trannies
>>748269501catseye is a very custom server so a lot of stuff in that video may be catseye only.
>>748269501there are lots of helpful people in the discord, just ask if you need help (you will)
I hear RDM and SAM are both very good, which would you recommend to level first? Is there one that's better at farming items for a second job than the other?
>>748270161RDM is fucking bonkers. If you could only have a single 75 job I'd choose that one
>>748270161private server? rdm. retail? mnk blu or sch
>revival of an early 00s MMO>look inside>it feels nothing like an early 00s MMO because everyone is on the Discord and half of the players are trannies You can't go home again
>>748270161go with whatever you like the most. RDM is good but it's only a "main" job and not very useful as a subjob. for SAM, you'd need to level up Warrior and Thief to do as subjobs for SAM. (and you can't unlock SAM until you reach 30 on one job, anyways)
>>748270380That's just a sign of the times.
Any BLUchad here?
>>748267968
>>748270250>>748270328Is RDM really that much better? I figured the damage dealer would have the edge, interesting.>>748270448Yeah I saw you had to unlock Samurai but you need warrior as a subjob anyway like you said so I'd start as that.
what's the name of the server
>>748270754rdm gets refresh. outside of bard you’ll be the most in demand job for any form of content. they can solo a ton of stuff. the only drawback is they’re slow at killing stuff
>>748270754SAM is the best melee DD, but RDM can do pretty much everything, solo things no other job can and is useful for all content which makes it arguably the best job in the entire game at 75cap because it's a game of niches in which RDM can fill every one, except for top damage (which isn't that important in the grand scheme of things)
>>748270906>>748271009I see, thanks. Is getting refresh at 41 hard or will there be groups of red mages all running together to get it?
>>748271368idk I can’t remember if they changed how it drops from now and back when 75 cap.
>>748270815>>748271502you get it from an NM or a few BCNMs so you either get lucky or shell out some gil for itRDM is pretty useful for those 40cap BCNMs though
>>748270815Phoenixhttps://phoenix-xi.com/
>>748271581oops that first (You) was for >>748271368
>>748271709Hey, that one's mine!
Me and my zoomer friends played through the entire retail version main missions one summer a couple of years ago. We had a good time. The game started becoming a lot more fun once we discovered skill chain/magic burst and macro.
>>748271785I wish I had more but I only have what anons have posted here.
>>748273601I mostly just have screenshots of story cutscenes but I can post some.
>>748273601Is that namek?
>>748273748Al'taieu
>>748271709>>748273601>>748273681>>748273880man I can't wait to experience this kino againI love this game so much
>>748274297The Wotg storyline was exceptional, shame about the rest of the expansion.
>>748274441The old battlefields were fun, when they didn't just lag out/break.
>>748274441WotG is unbelievably kino.
>>748265861Imagine having to check the credits of every game/movie/whatever because you need to see if a tranny worked in catering, or scouring GameFaqs for someone with a rainbow flag saying they liked it, and now you have to hate it.
>>748274928That's what people do with all games nowadays.
>>748274928>>748274949Those people don't play games, they just complain about them. They spend their day watching youtube and streamers, games are not a hobby to them, it's drama fuel and nothing more.
>>748259194anon all vgiggers are schizo trannies regardless of game
>new private server>still has all of the same underlying inaccuracies/problems as the other 10 private servers that forked off of LSB/Topaz/etc>no one in those communities even knows how to do their own client reversing or studying wtf the retail server is doing
>>748261154the game does not respect your time
>>748275202>still has all of the same underlying inaccuracies/problems as the other 10 private serverslike what
>>748275075>iLvl Besiege comes out>it still has a tic rate of 3 whole fucking seconds despite a fraction of the players participating in it vs. golden era>it's still stomped within 10minWhat was even the fucking point for updating it?
>>748259143why are you here, retard?
>>748275215I never understand why people say this about FFXI. You can easily make progress just playing a little bit at a time. Frankly, I would even say its built around that concept as a central idea. Nothing you ever do is taken away from you. That sounds like something obvious, butso many other games fail to do it. With resets, stat rescales, and even (for many asian games) upgrade mechanics that are a gamble and reset progress when failed...Do things take a long time? Sure. But you're not supposed to do it all in one go - you do it bit by bit. And it does respect the amount of time you spend.
>>748261154too complicated, social and teamwork requiring for the average WoWtard.
>>748258920because i already have characters on Horizon and they just opened up ToAU recently
>>748275616ToAU*
>>748275679yes
>>748275449Someone never lost hours of their time to a rogue phone call.
>>748275449I consider "do this thing you hate or you don't get to do jack shit" the most disrespectful of my time you can get.
yawwwnn, wow forever about to launch in nov. thats why.
>>748275449There's enough low-drop/unfun shit to do in XI that every LS had to introduce some form of attendance point system so you had a chance of getting a rare drop for your targeting Job without getting fucked by some e-thot the LS lead was hitting on at the time getting that Dalm over you that only appeared once in the last month.
>>748275773>i joined an HNM shell that required me to wake up for 3am phone calls so it's the game's fault
Before you guys hop into this new server because /v/ told you to4 years ago this place did the same thing with Horizon (almost daily thread just talking the server before it went live) and went it finally went live we never made threads again and pretended we never liked it>but this time will be different becuse horizon did this wrongYou said the same shit about the previous big server when horizon was about to happenDONTFALLAGAIN
>>748259194This. I tried talking about XI in /xivg/ and I was told to go to /vm/. While in the /vm/ thread, I learned that XI private servers have just been the exact same schizos on every fucking server, each with decades long blood feuds with each other, and they do retarded shit like spawn camp all the end game enemies and KS them so that no other competing guilds (i.e. schizo clans) can actually advance in the end game. It might actually be even worse and more schizo than the decade long blood feuds that /xivg/ has.
>>748275928What the fuck are you talking about? It is absolutely the game's fault for XP loss on death.
>>748275883>troon trash
>>748275971Sadly thisJoined horizon because of this place and over 50% of the server population died 2 months later and /v/ never made threads again after release
>>748276069>XP loss on death>phone callDon't tell me you were still on fucking dial up in 2003.
>>748276109I had dialup until 2005 and the DSL after that would still fuck up on calls about half the time.
>>748265362Hate to break it to you anon, but the extremely autistic infinite grind shit and the superiority that XI players are capable of feeling for playing an archaic game is exactly all the things that breeds modern troons. Or "incubates" is probably a more accurate word.
>>748274731>WotG is unbelievably kino.Said nobody in the history of ever....
>>748258920Nobody actually wants to play on private servers when retail is about to get more players with the free trial update, they also won't get their characters wiped because some private server admin had a breakdown over someone asking them what bread they like
>>748275971>>748276104I played horizon, enjoyed myself for a few months and then stopped when I wasn't having fun anymoreI WILL do the same on Phoenix
>>748276109I had a second phone line installed BECAUSE of FFXI.
>>748276259Autism. It's the autism. Grind has literally always attracted autists long before MMOs did it and the kind of MMO XI is was birthed out of an extra autistic kind of MUD made by and for autists. Troons are overwhelmingly autistic.
>>748267968crazy seeing one of my screenshots saved by someone else, neat
>>748265183>The old player base would never ever allowed those fucking retards to ruin the game.There is not a single fucking thing you or anyone else can possibly do about it. Don't act like there aren't tons of people running around with the bridal armor or the swimsuit or some shirt with no bottoms glammed.
>>748262268Damn, every game is bad UI?
>>748261154It is a generic and empty mmorpg in every aspect. Just a circlejerk PVE friendly mmo for the low IQ casuals.A FFXI fag would cry in fear in UO, DAoC, Silkroad or Lineage II
>>748276314the free trial is garbage and comes with less than the base game did 22 years ago.
>>748276782Lineage II is the only game of the many you mentioned where the grind/death penalty is worse, but that's to be expected of KMMO bullshit. MPKs/Killsteals were pretty common during XI's pre-late CoP years before the great BST nerf & mob despawn leashing were added.
I don't want to go back! (I want to go back)
>>748276069XP loss on death was a beloved part of the game.
>>748276938>implying getting to 100 skill for anything wasn't as brutal of a grind>but it was optional and you could play the game without it just fine>implying losing your shit near guaranteed to gankers wasn't worse
>>748276782>muh pvpMiss me with that gay shit
>>748277001To who? Absolute faggots?
>>748258920I have a job right now.
I let FFXI's NM/HNM ToDs and pop windows dictate my sleep cycle for almost a year when I was playing on catseye.It was perhaps the happiest time of my life.
I am the straightest man on /v/ and I like xp loss on deathtbdesu it's a literal nothingburger 99% of the time
>>748277168Exp loss on death gives tension and weight to everything you do and gives you an incentive to nut up and try to save doomed situations. You're a bitch who belongs on WoW.
>>748277269Nowadays its a nothing burger, circa 2004 that was 6 hours of building a party, catching an airship, renting a chocobo, and grinding you lost.
>>748277346The time loss already did that if you aren't an autistic faggot who doesn't value your time.
>>748277350>everyone wanted BLMs for Sleepga in Dynamis>Tanks never bother to tag everything in a large pull, resulting in BLM deaths>nobody wanted them for XP parties so it was solo nuking Puddings all day in Mount Zhayolm to recover lost XP
>>748277461What time are you losing when you don't lose the progress you spent the time gaining you retarded groid?
>>748277770Why don't you figure it out? Oh wait you can't because you don't value your time.
>>748277261I'm glad you had that experience but why would you do that on the mickey mouse server
>>748277909>the game is bad because it's a video game that i spend my time onWhy are you even here Aiden?
>>748277932>didn't understand the hypotheticalYup, no theory of mind.
>>748278070There was no hypothetical. You're just babbling now because you don't have a point. Fucking underaged twittergroid. Go the fuck back.
>>748278126I was here before Twitter existed, shitting on this very game.
>>748277929Because I was total noob but everyone I was playing with was a 20 year vet and I was having a great time so I was going hard.
>>748278223Oh, it's the schizo that shows up in every XI thread and relentlessly shitposts for reasons no sane person can understand.No game is safe these days apparently, every game must have an internet mandated schizo.
>>748278530Define shitposts.
>>748261154>QRD on FF11? Why do people dislike it?I'm pulling at my hair trying to think of a real redeeming quality possessed by Final Fantasy XI. Is the game an entertaining diversion? No, not really -- it's too great a time devourer. It's a "diversion" in the same way a second job or an emotionally needy long-distance girlfriend might be referred to as such. Are the battle and character customization systems what carry the game? Not really -- combat is slower than molasses, and the Job/Subjob setup is a drag, especially in light of how many hoops the game expects you to jump though in order to unlock new jobs and level them up until they become viable. Does it give the player any new ideas to think about? No -- unless we're talking about how it might inadvertantly trigger OH MY GOD IS THIS ALL THERE IS TO LIFE existential crises in frequent players. Is the community of players what makes the game worthwhile? No -- not unless you're stimulated by people who communicate almost entirely in MMO abbreviations and are uninterested in discussing subjects that can't be articulated through MMO abbreviations. Does sitting alone and entering a level-grinding trance night after night for a period of months or years enrich your life in any way? No. It does not.
>>748279251If you're going to hate on a game, do it manually, not with ChatGPT.
I only met two troons in FFXI: One acted like a perfectly normal human being, the other one was some 45 year old twat who didn't have half a brain even when it came to DPS jobs.
>>748258920I wont bother game sucks ass if you got a job and other shit to do and miss out on the first wave of people progressing through shit.The (mandatory) story quests do not incentivize others to help at all when they got theirs so at some points it all turns into begging people to help you out. And because some of those can take a whole evening to finish I dont even fault those who already cleared them for not being interested.Its not my life anymore.
>>748258920being honest the idea doesnt excite me. I've already done everything there is to do in 75cap three times now. Once on retail, twice on 2 different private servers, even had 5 relics and a mythic on one of them. I'd only even consider it if we had another "get paid by the govt to stay inside for 2 years" covid situation again.
>>748261154Harsh criticism from someone who's played too much XI, considering both when the game was in its peak and 75cap servers nowadays. >extremely time consuming game you need minimum 4 hours of uninterrupted free time to have time to do anything>extremely slow paced gainAverage to hit max lvl was 9-12 months your first time. The actual combat early game is extremely slow and honestly, fucking boring. >Gear scaling was fuckedThe gear early-mid game sucks ass. Unless you're already financially established or got high lvl friends to farm shit for you, your gear literally wont have any real stats on it until like lv30's-40s. Then everyone was stuck in shit gear sets for 20+ levels at a time often times until you got to high lvl where suddenly you have 100s of options that actually have worthwhile bonuses on them. >the crafting was shitty compared to other MMOs. it was interesting in how it was done and it made your server's 4-5 high lvl crafters very valuable people, but it was an entire section of the game most players never interacted with. It cost ridiculous amounts of investment to start to turn profits from it, plus>game's inventory, trade and market systems were all assEveryone's storage was very limited, you could only sell 7 things on the market at a time, and it was riddled with RMT for a long time. In a game about collecting 3-8 full gear sets per class, in a game where you changed classes.... it was a nightmare. >ExpensiveFFXI was fucking expensive even for its time. I was paying like $30/mo for the sub some months depending on how the exchange rate was, cuz if you werent in the US you were treated as European and forced to pay in Euros, and they didnt do regional pricing cuz Japan lmao. >SquareEnix in generalJust a fucking strange company man. They had such a hands off approach to basically anything and always gave the impression that they didnt care that much. They completely ignored feedback and took years to do anything.
>>748264973Back in the 2005-2009 glory days it attracted lots of horny stoner girls actually and it was pretty easy to convince them to shlick for you on skype. Fuck I miss 2000s MMOs. Younger generations missed out.
>>748270754It takes a while to gear up but even with basic gear its very strong and very versatile. You can use it to do basically anything you need to, to gear up all your other classes.
>>748273748at the time, uber high lvl endgame raid area people called "sea". Al'tieau in the lore, the celestial palace where humanity's sins are kept locked away something like that (like any JRPG), which you fight as bosses in the game's big endgame. You'd work your way up tiers to the top one, Jailor of Love who had some of the game's most desirable shit, but getting there took days/weeks of farming and grinding tough bosses to get to. He had a 30% chance to summon the game's undefeated boss (this guy) who people tried to legitimately beat for about 10 years until they raised the level cap so much that he didnt matter anymore. The strat intended to beat him was supposed to rely using player's ultimate skills on 2 hour cooldowns at exactly the right time to disable his skills (he could use all skills for a gorillion damage), but with the servers being in Japan (and Japanese endgame community just being actually bad at the game) he got the record for longest MMO boss to never be killed. Area also had some rare boss spawns you could lowman with a couple friends plus a whole pair of tiered dungeons that lead to Ultima and Omega fights which were fun as fuck. Getting access to all this was a series of extremely tough missions and boss fights that filtered a huge number of people, so it was real bragging rights having Sea Access.
>>748275971This happens to every new FFXI server though. People play it for a week or two, then go back to their original server and shitpost for a couple years until the new meme server comes out.
>>748259194>There's no reason to play a private server, ever.I want to play the game and not give squeenix money
>>748281894>Japanese endgame community just being actually bad at the gameThat's because the Japanese had this strange aversion to third party tools and resources, like they were destroying the sancity of the game by using something not provided by Squeenix. So while westerners were all using windower and plugins, bots, tool, ect to datamine every detail of the game, getting readouts on hidden data, cataloging everything online, sending gearswap packets the second they used abilities, scripts, lua bots, whatever would give them an advantage, absolutely minmaxing every aspect of the game while buying shit from the chinese RMT bots on the reg while the nips were like there on their PS2s using PS2 controllers playing 100% vanilla, avoiding RMT, reporting any RMT activity they encountered, using in-game macros and banning anyone from their LS if they so much as admitted to looking at unoffcial online resources. Then Squeenix was balancing the game around what the western minmaxers with third party tools buying RMT gear were doing, but those westners were all getting fucked because they had 500+ms pings while the nips had like 20ms pings, so something like AV's 2H lockout as like designed purely to benefit the nips.Also westerns did defeat AV, serveral times, usual several different exploits to get around the 500ms handycap, but Squeenix said "Nah uh, that didn't count" and deleted the loot pool. There's a ledge on the other side of the map that the westerners used to avoid being targeted by AV so they could nuke him with impunity, it still took them hours because AV can use benediction which gives itself a full heal, but eventually they killed it, only for it to drop nothing and the GMs to pop-in and admonish them for cheating and declaring the kill invalid. Another tactic was they had like a whole alliance of Dark Knights all pop their 2h with K-clubs, the DPS was so high AV just melted, that took was declared cheating and invalid.
>>748258920I wish the website wasn't so obviously made by Claude
>>748281894>Al'tieau in the lore, the celestial palace where humanity's sins are kept locked away something like thatIt's actually the old capitol city of the Zilart that used to be on Qufim Isle (which is why there's a big segment cut out that left it in the shape of a crescent). When Bahamut attacked the city to stop the reunion of the Mothercrystals the Zilart activated a really poorly thought out defense system. At the city's core was one of the five Mothercrystals, and the idea was that the city would retreat into the Mothercrystal. However, the Mothercrystal is part of the city too. So what happened was that the Mothercrystal was dimensionally warped into itself and it created a spatial paradox which was then relocated into orbit around Vana'diel.The five towers of humanity's sins inside are machines built for extracting the specific types of Promathia's darkness from the Zilart for transference to the Chamber of Eventide. The Zilart were losing their psychic powers and immortality because Promathia's darkness was taking root in them, so they were trying to remove it. But what they actually did by gathering it together was begin the rebirth of Promathia.
>>748261154They never played BLU or RDM
>>748258920The only thing that really matters about this new Phoenix server is that it's open sourced and actually trying to be accurate compared to Horizon with its Era+ approach.Beyond that, I don't see a real reason to play over retail outside of poorfaggotry or wanting to chase "the old days" experiences that won't exist really since everyone grew up and life made them move on.I'm more interested in the guy on reddit showing off how he's making a private server anyone can host and it's using AI to simulate economy and other players, since a personal Vana'diel sounds kind of nice when I'm not looking at retail jaunts.
>>748282928>Era+ approachIs better, and Horizon didn't go far enough, that was one of its major flaws, it promised Era+ but failed to deliver on the +. FFXI was never a great game, it had great aspects but the design was always sloppy and for every great idea they had it was buried under 10 bafflingly bad ones. Every server that holds up classic 75 XI as if it was this golden era is doomed to fail just like FFXI ultimately failed in its heyday. WoW didn't come in and eat its lunch in a vacuum, XI just failed to adapt, while WoW was actively watching the competition, stealing what worked and quetly killing things that didn't. Hell WoW forever blatently stole many of Turtle WoW's best aspects, that's the mindset XI needs. What horizon did with the relics was an objective improvement over vanilla where only Ghorn and Aegis were important and everything else existed for entirely for bragging rights, any server that doesn't do something like that is just perpetuating classic's shitty design decisions. There's a reason almost no one built a Claustrum in era, because it was pure shit.
>>748283198Imagine glancing WoW that killed the whole fucking genre
>>748283267It killed them by being better than themSorry you don't feel that way but that's just the reality of how the market works, customers give money to products that they enjoy and don't give money to products they don't enjoy. This leads to bad products dying and good products persisting
>>748283394Roblox and Fortnite must be good then too
>>748283394WoW killed the genre by turning it into a daily quest skinnerbox that raped away every bit of depth and RPG elements to appeal to people who hate MMOs. Kill yourself.
>>748259194trannies don't play XI, that would XIV
>>748283443They are, we get it youre a habitual contrarian, but wow killed the competition by out competing them. It stole the best aspects of other moms at the time and made the best value proposition for gamers. It killed the genre in the same way an invasive species does, by beings so much better than the native species that they need to either adapt or die, XI had its lunch eaten so much that its sequel cloned the bully that ate its lunch.
>>748283750There's nothing better about it. They made it more accessible to people who fundamentally hate the genre by removing core elements of the genre. That's not better, it's slop custom built for the lowest common denominator.
>>748283750>>748283394Kotick's not gonna give you a reach around just because you talk like you want to be a business major when you grow up.
>>748283750WoW was the Fortnite of it's time, colorful, easy, soloable, marketed heavily. It was the most casual MMO anyone had ever seen at the time, it was not aimed at MMO players but rather the general public. It killed the genre because it showed that targeting the mainstream market is better than making a quality game for a specific fanbase and is one of the main contributing factors to the gaming industry as a whole going down this mainstream shittification route.
>>748283805>They made it more accessible to people who fundamentally hate the genre by removing core elements of the genre.Such as? WoW was shit, but I can't think of anything that was a core element of MMOs that it got rid of.
>>748284513>It was the most casual MMO anyone had ever seen at the timeWoW launched in a world with Graal Online, Toontown, City of Heroes, UO with Trammel, and Runescape. It wasn't the most casual MMO of its time.
I wish XI was as good as the people who love XI say it is.
>>748285397It was, by far, being able to level to max only via walking between NPCs and killing a couple mobs here or there all while being solo? Easiest around.
>>748259194Unfortunately true. Other Anons have said it but XI private servers are basically a mental asylum for the type of people you never want to interact with, very peaked in high school mentality crossed with abject mental illness. They are exhausting people and it's compounded by the fact you need to rely on them to get anything done. It's misery porn.
>>748285830No it was not. You don't know what you're talking about.
>>748285941I cant wait for the server populated by AI agents who play like earnest 00s teenagers, and you get to choose if you want to play along with them, and unironcially use "XD" or be the lone cynical asshole who exploits and deceives them the way you were deceived and exploited when you played as a teen in the 00s.
WoW had a responsive UI day1 and a launcher that was actually patched over the last 25 years.I guarantee that FFXI lost hundreds of thousands of potential players because of POL alone.
