>People actually got what they asked for and voting with their wallets worked>People here are still butthurt over itI'm still absolutely convinced that people here hate Bungie and Destiny just because they don't have any friends and simply can't play most of the content.
>>748259947People shouldn't have had to vote with their wallets, the state itself should have brought the hammer down on them for that shit
>>748259947Did they brought back the planets they deleted, and the 3/4 dlcs that came after that they also deleted?Also if they bring vaulted content back is it gonna be updated to the current power scaling or is it gonna be cosmetic since without the new perk system they're useless?
>>748260115I'm quite sure they said it would be updated for new balance.
>pay for content>it gets removed>10 years later>you can have it back now ;) tee heeAnd this is why gaas is bad and anyone who buy into it gets everything they deserve.
>remove decades worth of content >tell users it's actually a good thing >only relent when it's clear your new live service shooter is flopping hard>UHHHH GUYS WE BROUGHT BACK THE CONTENT WE SHOULD HAVE NEVER TAKEN AWAY
>>748260215>>748260402>Admitted their mistakes>Promised to make everything right>Somehow that's bad
>>748260215it's the cost of getting in to living world stuff. you played through it. much like life. you'll never going to get it back. real life example would be haha we are gonna build railroad through your land. you'll never get it back but at least you had your time with it.
>>748259947This unvaulting comes so late that even reddit bootlickers wouldn't haver any positivity left for this.
>>748260497>take your money>stab you in the kidney with a knife>take you to the hospital>we're good right?
>>748260560But everyone is generally positive about it.>>748260563What you described sounds more like an accident than a serious attempt to cause harm.
>>748260497>shoots you in the chest>nearly die>get hospitalized for years >shooter comes back after getting away with it >gives a half assed apology
>>748260669it's more because they have hopes for destiny getting new stuff in the future
>>748260497By that logic you would take back the hag who cucked you 10 years ago simply because she said she totally wont cuck you again
>>748260517real life really is just like a video game
>>748260680That's one stupid analogy.Removing a location from the game is not comparable to being shot in the chest or any other form of physical harmBungie never stopped supporting the game until the last couple of monthsThe whole point of their apology is that they don't just want to be forgiven, they want to prove that they deserve it>>748260764I mean, yeah. They're a major game studio. It's all about the money. And reputation and player trust are what have been making them money all this time, so restoring them is the top priority.>>748260846None of these allegories work because it's a video game.
>>748261048>there is literally zero symmetry between various topics of abuseWhy do American schools refuse to teach kids basic rhetoric
>>748259947>>People here are still butthurt over itwhen hating beccomes your whole identity, you cant stop hating, even if you get what you want. it literally consumes you and turns you into an illogical beast that hates anything indescriminately.
>>748261001 except video games give you more coin for cosmetics than government deciding that they'll take your land
>>748261048Okay Paul tassie
>>748261245OP you’re describing a rent free relationship when in reality most people have moved on long agoThere’s a massive difference between active seething and just basic avoidance of problematic things
>>748259947I haven't played since they vaulted content and Updated their EULA stating that they can take away content that people PAID FOR any time they want. They won't get me back for going back on it. Honestly in a fair world, this should have bankrupted their company in a massive lawsuit.
>>748259947>Choice of content is inanely boring health sponges>Versus remarkably convoluted shit to make up for the fact that there are no fun, depthful, or inherently skill based game fundies to learn Destiny is a shit pile
>>748260497>guy steals your game>you ask for it back for almost 10 years>he tells you to fuck off, he got rid of it a long time ago>you move on with your life and have other games to play>years later, he comes up to you on the street, asking if you'll buy your own game back from him>he actually had it the whole time but just didn't want to give it to you, he wasn't even playing iteat shit and die
>>748262782>eat shitBut anon already plays destiny
>>748260497>Creates issue where there is none>"Fixes it" to get your money againShut the fuck up corporate shill
>>748263028>>"Fixes it" to get your money again>By releasing free update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vConcQfcGvcWE WON
>>748263523It's a live service F2P game now, nothing is "free" dumb fuck
>>748259947>wanted to do their creative vision>no want to play it>have to beg for destiny retards to come backThese people probably don't care about destiny and your getting a pile of shit so they can continue getting their jobs and do their next retard game.They threw you faggot under the bus then realized they needed you and now they feed you shit so that you can move the hamster wheel to power their next shit game.
>>748265095>>748263523>>748261245
>>748260680>Emotionlessly reads you an apology clearly written by someone else.I've seen this episode before.
>>748259947Didn't that bungie court case prove that they can't bring back anything from the original release, so no red war content will be available even if they "unvault" everything that they can?
>>748266703That court proved that they can't just cram the old files into the current version of the game and expect it to work. They need to redo the lighting, scripts, and probably something else, but it's possible if they put in the effort.
>>748260497Nigger, Bungie has pulled EXACTLY THIS SAME SHIT like a dozen times and you faggots let them get away with it. Admit fault, promise to do better next time, kinda fix the problem, get glazed by the community for being such wholesome chungus devs, then break something the next update. Literally LITERALLY BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER A DECADE
>>748260497>tries to fuck you over>realize that won't work>backtracks the fuck out of it in sheer desperation>YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GRATEFUL!!!!
>>748266703By the narrowest possible definition of “can’t” they could legally get away with, yes. By any reasonable definition, of course they could it just would take a bit of effort and (here’s the kicker, since the ones who knew all got fired) knowledge of the engine and skill on the part of the devs.
>>748259947I'm not happy it happened but I am glad it's coming back. Maybe I'll play it again when they unvault the red war
>>748259947What happened to all that bullshit about how it was a memory limitation of the engine?
>>748266939>>748267035There was literally a change in management at the studio, and the only thing released under the current management is this latest update which is literally the best the game has received in years.>>748267447That was true and they'll most likely have to completely rewrite all the scripts.
>>748260497You BUngie shills are mentally il. They didn't admit any mistakes, their "apology" was all corporate faggot PR speak, and they simply won't hold up their end of the bargain, because once idiots trust them again, they will just repeat the same shit from square one.
>>748260215How much do you think they'll charge for 'giving it back'?
>>748268080>and they simply won't hold up their end of the bargainIn what way? The only thing they promised was to bring back the old content. No new DLCs or other ways to spend money.>>748268212It will be free
>>748268261>It will be freeWas this officially stated somehwere? I must have missed it in the press release. Considering all the work they're saying they have to do to get it in working order, it seems natural they'd try to offset the developer cost. And it's not like bungie to just do something for free to build up goodwill, they're usually doing the opposite.
>>748268261>In what way? The only thing they promised was to bring back the old content.So they won't fundamentally change at all. They'll keep spouting the fake "we're listening" shit and continue making trash games nobody wants.
This is new territory. We are used to games being remade they are now remaking game DLC
>>748268417picrel>>748268517But they are literally doing exactly what people asked them to do. Why should I care about your delusions when I'm finally going to get my favorite game whole? Video game developers aren't your friends, you can't trust them just as you can't be disappointed. If it's good, I'll play it and might even buy the new DLC or the game. If it's bad? I won't even give it a second glance. Marathon is quite literally proof that most people share this mindset.
>>748259947Are destinytroons finally gonna hop off Marathon’s dick then? The game is without a doubt the best Extraction Shooter out there right now, the fact that they are branching out into who knows what got me excited. Here’s hoping they go the Survival genre route. Though i would settle for a Witchfire style pivot too.
>>748268802It's more deranged than that, they're remaking content from the original game inside what is now a product entirely comprised of DLC
>>748259947I do hate people who willingly play Destiny. They do not deserve to have control of their own finances.
>>748263730I didn't catch this the first time I watched this but at around 14:05 the fat white guy mocks the trains man meme and says this isn't a train stop. Jeez just shit on everyone in the past lol
>>748268802>>748269095WoW has already done this and even charged people for it. I remember there was also a remake that asked money for the remake of DLC but I can't remember exactly.
>>748259947Why did people even stick with this IP after how unfinished and dog shit the first game was? Wasn't the base game of Destiny 2 garbage as well?
>>748259947Destiny is still bad because its a typical MMO grindfest where you have to do a bunch of repetitive tasks, daily and weekly, just to catch up to some arbitrary gear number which gets reset on a regular basis. Nothing you do matters because it will be reset. Nothing you gain is permanent.And on top of that the famed "gunplay" of all Bungie games is apparently every gun handling like a laser pointer. Because Bungie fans are all drooling retards who are scared of controlling recoil.
>>748269227The first game was an experience. Kind of like the old WoW.The second game turned out to be such a complete mess that they were planning to shut it down, but the first major expansion fixed it. It was a looter shooter without random loot, just so you understand how bad it was.People are sticking with it because the gameplay and the overall quality of the game are truly top-notch. All the other games in the genre feel like cheap trash in comparison. No one else has even come close to things like Whisper of the Worm or Corridors of Time>>748269398Let me guess, you don't have any friends so you can't really experience half of the game's content.
>>748269398You clearly have no friends.
>>748269582>The first game was an experience. Kind of like the old WoW.Translation>I was in my teens when I first played both of these games, so they are permanently rose tinted by nostalgia in my mind>I am incapable of objectively measuring the quality of these things because I was in my teens when I played them, and they became a permanent part of my personalityBoth WoW and Destiny are shit. Objectively shit by today's standards.The only thing that I could possibly give to Bungie is that they have consistently very high quality art direction. The skyboxes and framing of environments is truly stellar.WoW has no redeeming qualities.
>>748269772Name a better looter shooter than Destiny.
>>748269807WarframeAnd its not even close
>>748259947does this mean i can play d2 without spending $500 on dlc?
>>748269227For all the myriad flaws it had and continues to trip over, guns sound great and are satisfying to fire, there's lots of abilities to build into to get the power fantasy without going full warframe, enemies are reactive and have enough variety that they require a bit of a different approach (many nonstandard crit spots besides headshot). It's just a game where it feels good to shoot shit.
>>748269830Game with literally no gameplay or challenging contentIt is literally designed for mentally disabled people
>>748269906>4 Classes>4 Ultimates and a grenade each>Lots of abilitieslmaoDesinycucks think this is build variety
>>748269772I was 35 years old when Destiny came out so you have no idea what you are talking about
>>748270008Absolutely everything you said makes no sense
>>748269950And Destiny has 100 guns that all handle the sameAnd daily chores where you do the same content every single day for gacha lootAnd don't forget that mindboggling ... *checks notes* ... FOUR abilities to use!
>>748270052Damn gramps, shouldn't you be in bed at this hour?
>>748270095For a second I thought you were talking about Warframe.Since you know, most weapons in Warframe play exactly the same, you have daily reputation farming, and all Warframes have four abilities
>>748269830So true.
>>748270215>most weapons in Warframe play exactly the sameWhen was the last time you played, gramps? 2016? I know its hard to imagine a game might add new interesting things, you know, since yours had to delete old stuff, but Warframe has evolved.>all Warframes have four abilitiesWhich is 4 times the number a guardian class has. One. Which you can swap out of combat for such RIVETING build variety like, uuhhhh, my gun makes my cooldown lower>>748270324>Baby levels meant for noobs get nuked by a full buildyawn.God forbid a game have permanent progression. We should all strive to have a game where your progress gets reset every 6 months.
>>7482700083 classes 5 elemental subclasses 3 ultimates per light subclass (9) and two for dark 8 grenades per light subclass (24) 3 grenades per dark subclass (6) 3 melee per subclass (15) fragments to further refine a subclass' playstyle aspects to further refine thatand then exotics to give a specific boon to a particular aspect of a build, plus armor customization and perk rolls on guns to specialize in firing styleIn warframe you hardly care how a gun is built, you point and shoot. Destiny has gun perks that activate in dozens of situations, distant enemies, surrounded by enemies, magazine status, how many enemies you've shot before reloading, how many headshots before reloading etc let alone all the unique elemental buffs and debuffs that each damage type has. And because you're not fighting 60 things in a room at once you actually care about the shooting experience. In warframe whether you build for status or build for crit the gun handles exactly the same and serves essentially the same purpose. Whether its fire or electric is hardly relevant, it ticks damage. Maybe you use a different element but whether you're stacking corrosive and fire, viral and slash, cold for crit or whatever, none of it actually changes how the gun plays at all.
>>748270480I just checked. The latest weapons added to the game are pistols that behave exactly the same as all the other pistols and +1 versions of existing weapons. None of this has unique perks, origin traits, exotic perks, or other things that make loot fun in Destiny.Oh yeah, how could I have forgotten about those fun Warframe abilities? You’ve got an ability that kills everything in the room, another that kills everything in the room and follows you around, one that makes you invincible, and some useless support stuff that nobody ever uses. I just described a good half of all the Warframes.
>>748270794Oh and guns just sound and feel weak in warframe, even room clearing ones
>>748270794You forgot the armor sets and stats
>>748259947>that people here hate Bungie and DestinyI hate Bungie and Destiny because they spent a few years ruining Destiny 1, then they spent a few years turning Destiny 2 back into a less good version of Destiny 1, then they made Marathon, then they killed Destiny 2, and now they're being literally forced by Sony to bring Destiny 2 back because Marathon sucks so much and Sony has been bleeding a LOT of money lately, including the $4 BILLION dollars they spent on Bungie.Even if you still like Destiny (somehow), you shouldn't play it. Just kill Bungie and make Sony eat the $4 BILLION loss. It's what they deserve.
>>748270324>Ocucor>Chroma>Nourish>Only level 145lmaoDestinycucks are mystified by an optimized build actually doing optimized damage. Against barely meaningful enemy levels at that.Listen. Destiny did figure out doing multiplayer shooter raids. DE has never figured that out, and probably never will. They simply do not have the resolve to tell the barely conscious playerbase that some content is not for them. But the regular gameplay of Destiny is utterly boring to play. And somehow even more repetitive than Warframe's content. "Do this open worldslop mission for the millionth time so you can complete your dailies for the week!">>748270794117 Warframes, with 4 abilities each (on average, some have more because form switching) for 468 Different abilities. All 117 frames have one donated ability that can be put on any other frame. Meaning each frame has 117 different potential ability builds, let alone the actual modding.Almost every ability has an augment mod, which directly modifies that ability's behavior.Its not even kind of comparable. Destiny's build variety is weak shit.>none of it actually changes how the gun plays at all.Thats why the weapons have distinctly different handling properties and many have gimmicks.Destiny guns all handle like laser pointers. Point at the glowing weakpoint and shoot. Thats it. No room clearing exploding bow and arrows or handheld pirate cannons or chaining beam pistols.>>748270829https://wiki.warframe.com/w/IncarnonAll of these have 3 sets of 3 unique perks and traits. As well a secondary evolved mode.
>>748259947Destiny has always been shit mr bungie employee, Marathon was an even bigger turd.
>>748271132Incarnon's alternate fire mode on some guns is interesting, I'll give it to you, but it's literally a stat bloatI remember making one of the Prime pistols with it, and there was literally no reason to use anything else, its perks give you a ton of critical hit chance and damage, and the alternate fire mode makes it ricochet off all enemies. There's no fun in that at all because it's just a one-size-fits-all weapon for every situation. And even if you decide to use a different pistol, you'll still build it around critical hits, only now you won't have that OP ricochet.Do I really need to compare this to Destiny, where pistols are divided into revolvers and sidearms, with several types of behavior, exotics, and all that?
>This visual vomit excites the wartrannies Bleak...
>>748271552>my game gun good>your game gun badDestiny's pistols are just high fire rate laser pointer or low fire rate laser pointer. Recoil doesn't exist in Destiny at any real level. And because they don't have the weird gimmicks of Warframe guns they all end up playing the same way.There may be several redundant pistols in Warframe, Lex, Magnus, Vasto, but there are also a bunch of interesting secondaries with different properties like chaining beams, lock on missiles, explosives, ones that turn into a machinegun after a headshot, gas needles, throwing stars, explosive throwing stars, secondary shotguns and more.The nice thing about stuff never being deleted is that all the weird shit will always be available.
>>748271967>Numbers confuse and frighten the DestinycuckBleakAlso Warframe has actual user options and customisation. You can make the numbers small or nonexistent if you want. I know having actual control over your user experience is a strange concept but please understand not everyone is a drooling retard
>>748260497what they did was terrible, what they are doing now is a step in the right direction, but it doesnt just absolves them from their mistakesimagine someone comes to your house and destroys your room for no good reason, then after years when he is going through a very tough time, he tries to win you back so that you can help him, they are just that desperate and would have never ever even look at you again if they weren't in such a bad spot
>>748260497Bungie ALWAYS DOES THIS. They've done this whole "we're listening, hold us accountable, we are going to better' shit no fewer than 5 times over the period of both D1 and D2. If they're finally gonna mean it this time, great, but it holds zero water until the actual effort comes through and stays consistent.
>>748271992Warframe literally has a setting that disables recoilAnd the problem is that all these guns, which sound interesting, actually play the same way in practice. You always just stack critical chance and fire rate because that’s pretty much the only way to scale your damage. Throwing stars are thrown at machine-gun speed, a large heavy revolver (I don't remember if Warframe had anything like this) fires at machine-gun speed, a regular pistol fires at machine-gun speedD2 also has a pistol that fires homing projectiles, or one that turns into a machine gun after a kill. The rocket pistol isn't even a unique weapon, it's just an archetype. But the way they work doesn't fully define them. They still have other stats, perks, and interactions with the rest of your skill set and weapons.
>>748271992>Recoil doesn't exist in Destiny at any real levelLol what? Have you actually played Destny? The recoil system is probably one of the most elaborate things in the game because they're balancing around dozens of weapon archetypes, RNG stats rolls, and Perks rolls, of which a lot of tryhards farm to get perfect 5/5 godroll weapons that will absolutely make a difference in PvE PvP. A Rapid Fire Pulse Rifle vs. Aggressive Frame Pulse Rifles are very different.
>>748272601>Setting that disables recoilIt moves the recoil from shifting your reticle to moving the projectile but leaves the reticle alone. Recoil is exactly the same but some people find the reticle bouncing annoying. Again, custom user experience.>critical chance>fire rate>only way to scale damageMy boy, we have mods that lock fire rate to boost other stats, like multishot.That's the thing that you keep missing, or maybe are just unaware of. Every weapon in Warframe is a base from which you customise further. The other stats and perks are in your mods. Two players can hold the same weapon but have modded them to do different things. I don't have to lucksack into a gun with the shit I want. I build the gun and put what I want on it.>>748272818I have played Destiny. Every gun fired like a laser pointer. All of them outside of gimmicky one offs. I played with the little toggle customisation and never actually noticed a difference.
>>748259947they're not doing this out of the kindness of their hearts or because they've suddenly seen the light. They've been dragged kicking and screaming back to the profitable game they abandoned by their shareholders. It was either this or get their studio shut down.As far as I'm concerned every word out of their lips is a fucking lie until I see the actual restored game released. And even then I'm never going to trust them to not fuck things up all over again. Watching their PR corpospeak "apology" video solidified my position on this even more.The bungie you grew up with and loved is dead and buried, and I have zero faith that nu-bungie will keep any of their promises
What's the ETA on that content?
>>7482731012 more weeks 'pede, trust the plan
>voting with thier wallets workedthey've been doing this for like 6 years and every destiny expansion sells millions of copies.
>>748272990Yeah, I forgot about Multishot. The problem still remains. It's always critical hits, rate of fire, and Multishot, since they work multiplicatively. You can't have a slow heavy gun because that's how the game is designed.>>748273101News within a few months. They didn't provide any roadmaps or promises to avoid disappointing everyone again. That's understandable, considering how many people were laid off.
>>748273129except for Edge of Ass and ReneGAYaids.They sold so bad that Bungie were having a meltdown over it internally.
>>748273207I'm still excited regardless if there's a road map or not, it at least gives hope.
>>748272990Just because a game uses hitscan doesn't mean the gun doesn't have recoil. All the guns in D2 have recoil some a significant amount of recoil.
>>748272990>Every gun fired like a laser pointer.?????????????????
>>748260497>tell them they are wrong>NO YOU ARE WRONG AND WE ARE DOING ANYWAY BUY MARATHON OR ELSE>marathon fails>look see we are doing YOU a favor now stop being so entailed see we are all good now
Imagine where Bungie would be at if they didn't do everything in their power to kill D2 and had remastered D1 for PC, maybe Destiny 3 would have been something in the works too.
>>748273518600 rpm vs 720 rpm
>>748259947is it worth getting into D2 now or should I just assume bungie is completely retarded
>>748273679Bungie has been completely retarded for well over a decade at this point anon.
>>748273679The game is in the best condition it's been in years and you can get it for cheap on sale, so decide for yourself. Technically, the game is still EOS and as far as we know won't receive any new updates aside from old content
>>748273679Like half the content in the game currently feels like a compilation of the best of Destiny.You're pretty much entering an aimless territory. The tutorial is god awful but there's a lot of content to play, but ultimately you're at the mercy of whether you want to actually partake in non-matchmade activities or not.
>>748273518Anon, he didn't actually play the game.
>destiny 2 will be over 300 gb in sizeyay
>>748273207You don't have to mod just for crit. Status is actually the meta right now. Arcanes enable you to skip raw damage as well in a lot of cases.But the reason nobody wants slow chunky weapons is enemy density. Too many enemies and most game modes are focused on high kill counts or fast kill rates. If something fires slow it better have aoe. The game is not designed for needing something that kills one dude very hard, most of the time. There are weapons that do that just fine. But the content you need to kill single targets is niche so you don't see it use them much.>>748273518>>748273636>some unique gun is an exceptionThe first webm when you're scoped is exactly what I'm talking about. It barely moves.
>>748274446Are you retarded?
>>748274446>some unique gun is an exceptionYou're really going to make me log into the game just to pull two "normal" weapons and prove you wrong again? Just take the L, holy shit.
>>748259947Have they said when it will be? I'm jonesing for a grandiose space adventure so I'll give them a chance.
>>748259947just so we are clear. when they say vaulted they mean stolen. they took your money and then deleted the thing you purchased.
>>748260497>nigger shoots a guy>police catch him>i dindu nuffins
>>748259947I'm genuinely confused by this news, though I'm just a tourist Didn't Bungie JUST announce Destiny 2 was on skeleton crew duty and implied it was Marathon or bust? Am I mixing up real news for rumors or what?
>>748259947Destiny players are so cucked they're celebrating Bungie selling them back content they already paid for
>>748274446>>748274768
>>748276072900rpm smg vs 600rpm smg
>>748276072>>748276103>specifically doesn't use ads after I mentioned it last timeLmaoWho fires from the hip?
>Makes one of the best star wars ost in recent years>Dies>Comes back to life for some reasonStrange.
Ladies, ladies, why don't we just agree that Destiny and Warframe are both complete dogshit for mouthbreathing retards?
>>748276378That's irrelevant, there's still going to be recoil like in the first webm I posted earlier. You're either very retarded or completely misinformed about the gunplay in Destiny.I posted Recoil and there's Recoil. Whether you can control it well is entirely up to you or the stats and perks you get on a weapon.
>>748277238I mean it wasn't strange at all. Destiny is very profitable, it's just that Bungie were burning through cash quicker than what their product was generating.Destiny is probably one of the most impressive live-service games to date and the whole DCV (Destiny Content Vault) was the most autistic thing ever put into motion by the game director at the time (whom everyone hated). This is likely an attempt to genuinely fix the game along with the company and how they operate. Personally I think they should just leave the game where it is once they reintroduce all the D2Y1/Y2 content since there's legitimately no reason to continue the story, but who knows what they're going to do.
>>748260563just a prank bro
