>better build variety than 1>better PvP than 1>better covenants than 1>better fashion than 1>better lore than 1>better DLC than 1>better NG+ than 1>doesn't shit itself in the second half like 1>yet 1 is considered the bestI don't get it.
>>748266096Both good
>>748266096probably because the bosses dont fight back and the levels have boring dogshit design
>>748266096you forgot to mention it has atrocious enemy spamming
>>748266678Pre scholar actually had less enemy spam.
>>748266096>better covenants than 1not without infinite eye orbs
>>7482660961 and 2 are the only good games from has ever made. All the rest of their dogshit has gotten increasinly boring and normie. BB, Sekiro, Elden Ring, DS3, Armored faggot. All horrible. Ds1 and Ds2 had IT and you can't replicate IT.
>>748266678The ghost house in 1 is worse than literally every part of 2. Including Iron Passage.And Iron Passage is bullshit
who the fuck stole the sands of time?
>>748266786>Infinite free pvp is locked to places where someone expects infinite pvp>pvp anywhere else is at least moderately rare and interestingNot so sure about this one, chief. Gravelording is more interesting than anything DS2 has, but Gravelording basically isn't in 1, either.
>>748266096If you can't praise it without putting other down, better not do it at all
Only correct take on FromSoftware
>>748266786Oh no! You cant twink endlessly! You have to pvp in the dedicated pvp zones, and don't just get to two shot new players! What a tragedy!
>>748268215>>748268215swap dark souls 1 with dark souls 3 and you'd be correct
>>748268215man told the truth.
This time bro you'll turn popular opinion around. I know it's been 15 years and everyone still hates this shitty game but this thread is the turning point bro
Bloodborne = Sekiro > DaS 2 = DeS > DaS 1 > DaS 3 > Elden RingEnchanted Arms and Kings Field IV are my favorite Fromsoft games, though.This is judged on the games overall quality, not hyperfocused on one or a couple things I like/dislike. I have engaged with these games in all forms, from solo to coop to pvp to sl1 (and more) challenge runs. If you disagree you're just wrong. I'm not trying to convince you, I'm just telling you what the objective truth is, regardless of your or the normalfag cattle populace's opinions. Generally speaking I think most of these games are very overrated, but the best of them are very well designed and have a lot of charm. Fromsoft has some incredible artists for sure.
>>748266096I'm going to say this, as somebody who has played DS2 around 4x more hours than DS1 and over 1000 hours total:DS2's map sucks. It is completely nonsensical, boring, empty, forgettable. Right from the start you get a cool looking area with Things Betwixt that is a nothing, you run in a straight line, and the detours are pointless. Majula is great, but the world was connected to it poorly. The path to Heide Tower of Flame is an empty corridor with nothing to do but to run for over a minute. The path to Forest of Fallen Giants? Same, with a pointless gate. The path to Huntsman is a stupid rotating gate and a spiral climb. Huntsman to Harvest Valley? A shitty cave and mountain corridor that is also empty. Iron Keep? We know the meme. They made countless different cool areas and connected them at the game was approaching its release date and it shows. And the areas are cool, but the way they added enemies is not. DS2 was like a prototype for Elden Ring but they did not have the technology or resources to succeed so they only managed to make some of the designs barely work. I still enjoyed it a lot for all the reasons that you listed, and I think the DLC was far better than the main game.And yet to this day I remember the church elevator taking me back to Firelink Shrine with utter fascination. Or getting lost in the Dark Root Garden and somehow ending up back in the Undead Parish. When I spent a week eating shit at the sewers and swamp level, killing the spider girl (don't remember their names) and also ending up back at Firelink, it was a truly magical experience. Even if the game shit the bed in the second half it had already made up for it in the first half. DS2 never once reached this same high, although it came close with the DLC.
the only fromsoft ARPGs that matter>king's field 4>demon's souls>dark souls 2 sotfs
>>748266096>doesn't shit itself in the second halftrue, because it shits itself right from the start
>>748268215That's a cute opinion, did you get it from r*ddit?
>>748269315based
>>748266096Better than Elden Ring, but, hell, that's not saying much
>>748268215Man, /v/ was magical when Demon's Souls was released, there was nothing like it. The threads were so good.
>>748269218i wish i hadn't played it after already seeing clips and hearing people talk about it, but even with that, experiencing the shortcuts back to firelink were incredible every time."fuck i am so far out, there's no way i'm going to make it back" "oh this is valley of the drakes, i'm almost home"
I see these threads on the catalog fairly frequently and I find it hilarious to think that there's retards on this board who have been repeating this exact same conversation for over a decade now.
>>748266096>worse baseline gameplay and controls, except for omnidirectional rolling>worse bosses outside of DLC>much worse world design>worse visuals>worse enemy encounters (mostly)>less memorable NPCs>some downright brain-dead decisions like ADP, soul memory, and a stat just for equip load>worst levels fall far below anything in DS1>best levels outside of DLC aren't as good as DS1'sIt shows up 1 in multiple areas, but it's just denying reality to pretend 2 is a straight upgrade. For every Fume Knight and Eleum Loyce, there's a Covetous Demon and Cave of the Dead.
>>748266096>>better NG+ than 1Lost Sinner fight begs to differ
>>748269521Thinking ER, BB and the others are good is unironically the most reddit opinion possible though.
>>748268215trve, DeS, DaS and DaS2 was the kino dungeon crawling era of fromsoft. Bloodborne, Sekiro and DaS3 was the fast paced action slop era and elden ring is the start of their normie open world slop era. Sad reality.
>>748271395You either have to be the biggest contrarian faggot or a casual normalfag to think DS2 is in any way as good as or better than BB and has any business being placed in the same tier as DeS or DaS. ER is polarizing for multiple reasons and it's not nearly as tight of an experience as other souls games, but it takes every good idea from DS2 and puts them into a much more enjoyable game. Your tier list screams "I got HARD filtered" as soon as From upped the speed and difficulty in subsequent games.
>>748266096>Enemy placement>ADP Both ruins the game and feels ass to play, you retards are more insufferable than DeS fags. At least that game is playable even though DeS only has two good levels
>>748272649>another fag who watched some gay youtube essayI've just actually played them all and form my own opinions. Not a hive minded drone like you.
>>748266096>better build variety than 1In 1 you can build an actual tank because defense worked. In 2 physical defense ja a joke, you lose out on damage due to no flynn's ring and you have roll distance and stamina regen penalty and poise is worse than 1 and takes forever to regen instead of resetting after 6 seconds. Furthermore, ranged spells are arbitrary cucked in the DLC. Additionally, weapon scaling is so bad you get stats just to equip the weapon and wear rob+2 and/or flynn's then go with lighting infusion + spell buff.
I'm doing the crypt and even that part is more interesting than the slop in DS3, it's trying new concepts like bells, light bothering the heads, had destructible tombstones hampering your progress or enemies', having more enemy types and gets an interesting level construction. Every new location I'm seeing something new that wasn't tried in any of the other games, example: poison is actually useful ( found the manslayer ) and torches help you not fall into deep crevices and lakes in shrine of Amana so you must engage enemies in a precise way to not roll into the water. Fuck niggers for telling me that DS2 was shit.
>>748266096is the seamless mod any good?
>>748272768>"y-you got your opinion from a y-youtuber if you disagree with me"Keep projecting. I've played them all as well and I routinely replay through them, because I actually like the games. I know multiple people IRL that would order a tier list exactly like you and they're all casuals that tried to get into the games when DaS first blew up in popularity, got filtered, tried again to get into the series with DaS2, latched onto it because it was the most casual friendly game, then got hard filtered by every single souls game From put out afterwards. It's fine that you prefer the slower paced games, but quit pretending it makes you some patrician for preferring the clunky, ugly, casual game in the series and just own up to the fact you couldn't keep up.
>>748273490Honestly didn't read anything beyond the first sentence in either of your last posts. You just sound like some autistic retard, no offence.
>Play DAS2 Scholar for the first time>Most areas are okay except for No Man's Wharf, which is a stand out in design for me (Shulva is my favorite but it's DLC so I don't count it)>Find out later that the bridge shortcut was only added to Scholar and it wasn't in vanilla DAS2How do DAS2 fans defend this?There's a reason why Dark Souls remastered changed fuckall but DAS2 needed a huge rereleaseAlso I had to beat the snake boss with the flooded arena, and finding out the retarded solution makes me further think DAS2 fans are fucking stupid.
>it's a disingenuous DS2 glazer who thinks the other games didn't add new things or experiment
>>748273593>gets read like a book>all he can do is post le based wigger of little caesarsI accept your concession fkn casul
Dark Souls 2 is probably the worst Dark Souls game but it's still like a 9/10.
>>748274114I've always said it's the best souls clone
>>748266096alright fine ill take the bait>yes>yes>no, covenants mean nothing because there is no penalty and no interesting gimmicks, covs in 1 were interesting but flawed delivery wise and every game after just didnt even bother trying>no, would be yes if the game wasnt ugly as sin with plastic armors>no, some of the worst lore ever delivered in the series and in fromsoft history, 4 souls is retarded, shards of manus is retarded>ill give it to you, but its close>ng+ is a worthless mechanic not worth any development effort, but yes>shits itself in the second 7/8ths instead
>>748274114dark slop 3 exists
>>748266096>better lore than 1no? lol
>>748274248>ng+ is a worthless mechanic not worth any development effortFuck off. I don't even give a shit about the rest of your post.
>>748268215>Sekiro badNah fuck off you snob little dipshit. Sekiro is fucking great and the tightest game, is the only from game that actually feels good to play.
>>748266096I like it so far, I've just gotten to Shrine of Amana. Very cool zone. Infact I will say DS2 probably has some of the most interesting zones in the series.I don't think the game is perfect, adaptability is extremely esoteric. And yet , despite that, they should bring it back.
>>748274339DS1 - 9.8/10 (would be a 10/10 if it wasn't for Lost Izalith)DS2 - 9.3/10DS3 - 9.6/10I just like Dark Souls, man.
I don't play online shit because fromslop network is ass, well I'm done reading the wiki page about soul memory hahahaha WHAT THE FUCK is THIS SHITSo if you keep buying arrows and knives and stuff or die a lot you're fucked permanently?WHAT WERE THEY THINKING
>>748274248>ng+ is a worthless mechanic not worth any development effortGlad someone else fucking said it. If you want to play through the game again make a new fucking character with a different build. If you really just want a challenge, which is funny because ng+ is almost always easier than ng and doesn't get more challenging until ng+2 and beyond, just be content with numbers going up. Obviously in a perfect world there would be plenty of post-game content and reasons to do ng+ but it's just always seemed like such low priority to me. I understand why people really enjoy it though.>>748274831It was a shitty attempt to discourage twinking. In reality it just made actually engaging with the multiplayer content a complete chore and people that wanted to actually invade were on average good enough at the game to plan around soul memory and still make an invasion build for specific level ranges.
DS2 has the best NPCs in the series.
>doesn't shit itself in the second half like 1DS2 shits itself in both halves which is why the game that only half-shat itself is looked at more favorably
>>748266678people say shit like this and I have to wonder whether they've ever played 1 or 3 which do the exact same thing just as many times
>>7482766361 has constructed setpieces before anor londo. Which isn't the same as gank #67 that pays zero attention to map layout or meaningful design logic. Ds2 is basically ai generated enemy encounters the whole way through while something like undead burg needs a human to figure out how to make it feel satisfying
>>748266582First point is (mainly) validSecond point is abolutely not valid
Soul Memory is based, actually. It outs all the people who play these games for the online. Shits on coop pussies for farming souls forever and it shits on invaders trying to twink. System has genuinely 0 flaws and anyone that complains about it self-reports as a nigger that plays these games with a buttbuddy or hardon for being one of the dickwraith +6 chaos zwei burg invaders that just want to be invincible in some host's game.
>>748276882You fight more unique enemies in the first real area of DaS2 than you do the first 3 areas of DaS1 combined. You should play through DaS1 sometime and count how many different enemies there are leading up to gargoyles.
the whole game felt broken and unfinished
>>748277789But enough about dark souls 1 and 3.
>>748277691Don't think we were talking about unique enemy counts. If they were drag and dropped in like in ds2 it still wouldn't matter even if literally every single enemy was unique
>>748278036>implying enemies aren't copy pasted in DaS1Have you EVER run through undead burg and parish? Can you tell me how many of the same undead enemy you fight?
Are people still leaving funny messages around? This is an important question.
>>748278267Are skeletons still giving up?
>>748266678I played both the original and sotfs recently and the changes sotfs makes are negligable to difficulty and for the most part actually good at filling out the game world. The original feels unfinished and empty compared to sotfs. Anyone actually complaining about "enemy spam" in these games are too used to running naked through Undead Burg in ds1, ignoring all of the enemies and abusing the iframes to get into the taurus demon fight, The level design of ds2 works to prevent you from playing like an ape and to actually engage with the game.
>>748278267liar ahead
>>748274248>no interesting gimmicks1 didnt have any interesting gimmicks either
>>748277518It punishes people who lose their souls which shouldn't be a thing as 1 and 3 aren't that harsh
>>748277518The only one self-reporting here is you. You know fight clubs and co-op were both super lively in DS2, right? You know not every invader is a twink, right? You know soul memory did nothing to actually keep dedicated invaders from invading, right? The lack of a permanent red eye orb was a bigger deal than soul memory once people learned how it worked. I'll never understand these types of souls game players that seem to begrudgingly play the games and really despise the playerbase, and especially hate the multiplayer features of the games. Like just play offline if you don't want to be invaded or don't plan on co-oping. But you don't, because you're even more of a casual than some guy summoning his friend to help him clear a boss. You're too proud to summon, but too much of a shitter to not rely on messages to not walk into traps, or to find hidden areas or items, or probably even know where to go. Your ego is so fragile you seethe at the thought of another player invading you and hindering your progress (originally an intended balancing measure and trade-off for taking advantage of online features). Instead of swallowing your pride and either accepting the pros and cons of online play or just playing offline, you gloat and take pleasure in the idea of people that enjoy the multiplayer being inconvenienced for attempting or unable to engage with it. What a loathsome piece of shit you must be.
>>748279850...and that's a good thing!
>>748266096>I don't get ityou just have low int, bro. and that's fine
>>748274248>covenants mean nothing because there is no penaltytrue.>and no interesting gimmicks>what is the rat king covenant>what is the pilgrims of dark>what is the company of champions
>>748266096bait used to be believablefuck off retard
>>748266096>ywn experience ds2 online at its peak never again
>>748266096I'm playing it for the first time and I'm having an absolute blast. Just got through drangleic castle.
>>748282435>I'm having an absolute blast.
>>748266096>Ice rapier or spin to win or hex spam >Soul memory>Covenants are exact same>Fashion is ruined because no matter what you wear your character looks fat regardless of what you made>Lore is subjective>Base game is dogshit>Ng+ is indeed better>It shits itself the entire way>Adaptability>Life gems making everything trivial>Everything is SLOW
>>748280021>You know fight clubs and co-op were both super lively in DS2, right?Fight clubs have ALWAYS been gay and you're a turbofaggot that can't actually git gud at a proper PvP game trying to act like Souls PvP has ever been good, balanced, or took skill. PvP was only remotely interesting in souls as a form of emergent gameplay. Stripping that out and specifically seeking out to do only PvP was always shitter tourist behavior. >Like just play offline if you don't want to be invadedWho says I don't want to be invaded? I've welcome invasions in every game. I just don't play the game for them.>because you're even more of a casual than some guy summoning his friend to help him clear a bossKek, triggered coopfag detected>Your ego is so fragile you seethe at the thought of another player invading you and hindering your progressProjection from a little baby that just admitted he can't beat the games without a summon LOL>Instead of swallowing your pride>What a loathsome piece of shit you must be.Cope, seethe, and project more. You didn't beat the game btw. Does that make you mad, coop babby?
>>748268215factually correct
>>748282152was shit anywaymagic op as fuck while melee was hurting, playing arenas was getting oneshot or oneshotting (with magic)
>>748280014>It punishes people who lose their soulsMaybe you should git gud and stop dying.
>>748266096Its a good game, but this is objectively wrong and I will prove it with a single image.
>>748283308Now post ash lake
>>748282826How new
>>748283324>Lordran is built upon ancient trees from an ancient worldAbsolutely kino.
>>748283308Anon, what do you think is hundreds of miles under your feet right now?
>>748266096hmmmm nyo!
>>748283475A windmill filled with snake women?
>>748266678/thread
>>748266096The people hating on DS2 are contrarians
The worst souls
>>748283087>Fight clubs have ALWAYS been gay and you're a turbofaggot that can't actually git gud at a proper PvP game trying to act like Souls PvP has ever been good, balanced, or took skill. PvP was only remotely interesting in souls as a form of emergent gameplay.This is how I know you're an assmad shitter. There's no reason any sane person should be getting this worked up over souls pvp. Fight clubs were always a fun, CASUAL way to enjoy pvp and engage with randos online, often in threads here. Fight clubs are very different than tryhard duels which were always boring. Invasions are the most enjoyable because of their asymmetrical and like you said, emergent quality and the only form of pvp I still engage with in these games.>Who says I don't want to be invaded? I've welcome invasions in every game.Then why are you seething about getting your shit pushed in by them and gloating about From making it more difficult to invade? >>748277518. You're telling me you do taunter's tongue runs in ER too?>Kek, triggered coopfag detectedI don't summon for boss fights and never have. I used to put my sign down to help people in DaS1-3 mainly for covenant rewards. I stopped sometime during DaS3 due to how prevalent gank squads became and committed to coordinated anti-gank invading during that time, which carried over into ER. Despite how detestable co-opers have become in later entries, I acknowledge their presence is what allows me to continue invading, and so I'm grateful for their existence.>Cope, seethe, and project more. You didn't beat the game btw. Does that make you mad, coop babby?You're the only one projecting here bud. And I did in fact beat each of From's souls games because I don't summon, don't use ashes, and don't cheese with broken builds. Keep seething about how much you despise but totally aren't buckbroken by souls pvp.
Bradley of the Old Guard is my nigga
>Wonky movement>Wonky combat animationsruin it a lot for me, personally. For those who can see past those shortcomings it must be great, indeed. Especially points of build variety and a second half that is, by far, superior are strong arguments.
>>748266706Is there any way to get the original version on Steam, except shoddy key seller sites?
>>748268215i agree with the S but put bloodborne and sekiro in D and pull elden ring in C
>>748273481there are some bugs but nothing gamebreaking from an invader's perspective, i watched a stream where they cooped and they said pretty much the same thing(1 guy even used ds2le and texture mods, worked fine)>>748284924tell that fuckhead to stop breaking my gear with 1 hit
>>748284823>This is how I know you're an assmad shitter.Says the fag whining about not being able to do the whole game in coop>There's no reason any sane person should be getting this worked up over souls pvpIronic. I simply wrote a short post about Soul Memory being based for filtering shitters and you have written now 2 unprompted essays seething about it. I'm the one worked up though kek>Fight clubs were always a fun, CASUAL way to enjoy pvp and engage with randos online, often in threads here. Fight clubs are very different than tryhard duels which were always boringHey man cool story I did fight clubs in every single game for a handful of hours. If you're oldfag enough I probably raped you to death with my SKS build in DaS1 or Dragonslayer's Crescent Axe build in DaS2 or Demon Greataxe one in 3.Doesn't change that PvP in these games has always been trash. >Then why are you seething about getting your shit pushed in by themNice headcanon, nobody whined about invasions lmao>You're telling me you do taunter's tongue runs in ER too?I've never once touched ER online because I have an ultrawide monitor so I literally cannot play online>I don't summon for boss fights and never have.Sick retroactive cope I bet you don't> because I don't summon, don't use ashes, and don't cheese with broken buildsSo you agree that Soul Memory is based and had no impact on your game whatsoever? Oh wait!Love to see the wannabe mlg pro dark souls pvpers get triggered. You got clocked bitch
>>748268215this is one of the most larp posts i've seen here yet
