This game is obsessed with war as a necessary hygienic tool for humanity and violence as something to be elevated to Nietzschean analysis and praise by superpowered mass murdering mercenaries.It's a fascist work of art. Deeply fascist and immoral.
>>748357256It isn't that deep. Memes are a window to the soul, that is the message.
>>748357256Define immoral.
>>748357256Eat dick bitch no one cares, RULES OF NATURE!!!
the real takeaway from metal gear rising' plot is that a fun, endearing, story is what matters, not a "well written" one with deep themes.It doesnt matter how much effort and 'quality' your writing has if its very boring and unexciting to actually read. This is the flaw with 99% of amateur and aspiring writers
>>748357256Japs definitely do have a very bushido samurai view of war, like it’s some honorable trade and not just retarded greedy realpolitik
>>748357256I doubt there was really any thought put into the story
Rules of nature faggot. What you think the humanity should just proliferate endlessly without opposition or checks? There must be balance and harmony and war plays its purpose. There is war in all levels of reality to varying degrees from bacteria to animals and plants and even to metaphysical beings. I’m sorry but in the end it has to be this way. Also you faggots don’t even know what fascism means. It’s a very specific kind of government system and philosophy, It’s not a catch all umbrella term for any kind of authoritarianism or “being mean to others”
>>748357584Is this… no… it can’t be… THIS CAN’T BE REAL, CATS CAN’T FUCKING DO THAT
tiktok sigma edit teens discovering Nietzsche has got to be one of the top 5 most annoying states in teenage boys like OP's life.
>>748357256>metal gear game is obsessed with warReally?
>>748357256Midwits will say shit like this and think they're making a profound statement
>>748357670I'm sorry... science confirmed it's real
>war as a necessary hygienic tool for humanity and violence as something to be elevated to Nietzschean analysis and praise by superpowered mass murdering mercenaries.
>>748357741Those teenage boys own you.
>>748357889Science is a liar. Nothing but jewish tricknology.
>>748357256It's made by the Japanese so it's absolutely not that deep
>>748357627This is a good post>muh theme muh messageStop
>>748357256I like war!
>>748357256>villain is evil>this game is immoral
If MGR isn't deep how come not a single essayist faggot has ever correctly identified the narrative purpose of the Winds of Destruction in their opposition to the protagonist?
Metal Gear has never been about promoting war but about accepting humanity's violent nature by respecting soldiers/warriors who put their unsavory skills to use for the greater good.
>>748357256War is based Killing is funRape is cool
>>748357256Fighting for something you actually care about is honorable. Fighting for jewish business interests is evil. It's not complicated.
>>748357256Uhh... based?>>748358227>Villain was evilStanding hereI realizeYou are just like meTrying to make historyBut who’s to judgeThe right from wrongWhen our guard is downI think we’ll both agreeThat violence breeds violenceBut in the end it has to be this way
>>748358349until you are on the losing side of all of those, then they arent fun
>>748357584AND THEY RUN WHEN THE SUN COMES UPWITH THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE
>>748357256Go make a three hour YT video about it.
>>748357256>This game is obsessed with war as a necessary hygienic tool for humanity and violence as something to be elevated to Nietzschean analysis and praise by superpowered mass murdering mercenariesis it?or were you too autistic to realize they were commenting against it?
The ironic thing is that everyone who plays MGR now thinks that Armstrong was a Trump allegory. The game was made years before Trump entered politics.
damn, op, you're right... you're not crazy...
>>748358415>were exactly the same because we’re willing to employ violence as a means to further our ends >my ends are stealing Mexican orphan brains and destroying society >his ends are stopping me>I am very smart
>>748358456Just don't lose duh
>>748358512Predictive programming
>>748358571Raiden works for a PMC too, he isn't a fed.And they even shit on the government for failing to do it's job as both work on their means to reform this situation, and it sure as fuck doesn't mean voting your problems away.So in the end you go two flavors of vigilantism agreeing the State is incompetent and that's why they are there in the first place.
>>748357256It's also obsessed with that little brown faggot trying to get his hands on my daughter, Sunny.
>>748358776MGS4 and Rising both end with Sunny befriending a brown boy.
>>748358776Even this is also an allegory for America
>>748358571And why was he making soldiers in the first place? Was he really destroying society? THAT society?Even Raiden admits he is no better. You're going full "he is good because... He just it, okay? He is the MC so he must be the good guy!" When the game itself says it's not that simple.
>>748358571They have no comeback to this
>>748357627For a video game this is true.For a film people will feel like they had their time wasted if it lacks themes.
>>748359609>Larp as a cheerleader for yourselfSamefagging is already pathetic enough, imagine going the extra mile
>>748358512It is almost as they wanted to point out something easily recognizable for anyone not fucked in the head by years of propaganda
>>748357256You misunderstood the point entirely. It's anti-war and leftist gay shit. That's why armstrong loses at the end
>>748358508>they were commenting against it?By making the protagonist a mass murdering mercenary who philosophizes on violence and ultimately agrees with the antagonist's worldview?>I've got my own war to fightHello?
Raiden is the next Big Boss.
>>748359801All I see is an accusation but still not a comeback
>>748357256
>>748359709No, this goes for everything. Be it film, someone trying to write a meaningful book, a sentimental story, someones' autistic fantasy universe, or their autistic world about their furry sona, or whatever else they are trying to write about.Of course there are other forms of entertainment than simply "haha its fun and exciting!" for these other mediums, the same is true for videogames too. But matter of fact is, it NEEDS to be entertaining or entertainment-adjacent in some way. It needs to be interesting, intriguing, or something that makes it hard to resist continuing on reading it, or or.. or in any way leaves a mark on the reader. A story that doesnt evoke any of these feelings is a weak story that fails to deliver on its own themes, either by someone who is either incapable of writing anything good, or simply failed at writing and needs to change their ways.
>>748359709>if it lacks themes.A compelling story does a better job at delivering its themes and making the viewer get invested on them
>best MG is the one kojima had no involvement and hated itamazing
>>748360630his memes won
>pure man almost no machine>stronger than everyone>honorableliterally did nothing wrong
>>748357670>is in a thread about a game, inside which there's a cat that backflips out of danger.
>>748357256Rising is NOT a canon and kojima hated it
>>748363037He's unironically the biggest retard in the game.>no goals>no motivations>no life>no identity>no independence>hurr I'm good at fighting so I'll just listen to the guy who tells me to fight shit
>>748358571The point was that Armstrong was right in the fact that 'might makes right.' Nobody gives a shit about the loser and the winner takes it all, no matter how fucked up their philosophy might be. Raiden won so he gets to stop Armstrong's plans even if that means people will continue to fight wars for no real reason whatsoever.
>>748359709trve. even diehard has themes
>>748362848Kojima always wanted a new director to take over the series. He helped advertise MGR.
>>748363223the whole game is just about broken people doing broken people things
>>748363223The game mocked Sam for doing just that. The literal only reason he worked for Armstrong is because he lost to him in his DLC. He follows the strongest leader around (like most Samurai used to) regardless of his personal feelings or code of honour. Sam is what Raiden would become if he didn't fight for what he believed in.
>>748357667>What you think the humanity should just proliferate endlessly without opposition or checks?Yes.>Also you faggots don’t even know what fascism means. It’s a very specific kind of government system and philosophyTrue. It's the dictatorship of financefags. Even the Soviets worked that out long before WW2.
>>748359709For everythingReal Hegel verses Nietzsche for exampleHegel is very deep and thoughtful but a slog to read
>>748357667Galactic colonization would remove the need for war. But I worry all space programs are fake and gay and we might be trapped on this one shitty rock forever.
>>748363223Congrats, you understood the game.
>>748363889Why would man suddenly stop covering my his neighbour’s riches in a galactic civilisation?
>>748363104MGSV was not canon and the fans hated it.
>>748363037nigga whathe has a cyborg arm and an exosuityeah sure he cant pull off some moves like raiden but he can double jump and runs faster
>>748364664the entire twist of the game was every single person raiden fought had white blood, sam was the only one with red blood meaning he was human, raiden even say so
>>748364571Anyone too ambitious or unruly can just fuck off to their own new planet. Similar strategy to what Indians are doing today flooding other countries with their young people to remove some of the pressure at home.
>>748363889>shitty rocksad. we live in a beautiful natural paradise created for us to live in god's light, and you would rather leave it to venture into the meaningless black void
>>748363223Sounds like you are unfamiliar with the legend of Sisyphus.
>>748364972Mankind yearns for purpose, but the universe is seemingly indifferent. Man has already given purpose to Earth. It's time the rest of the universe got some sugar.
>>748364972Yeah it's so beautiful how a random asteroid could hit us one day and cause the extinction of humanity. Who needs back up plans? Just trust my imaginary friend to protect us!
>>748364972Who says this is the only paradise? Why can't we find or create other paradises and seed life across the galaxy?
>>748363638>True. It's the dictatorship of financefags.Wut.>Even the Soviets worked that out long before WW2.Ohhhhh you're a retard that thinks it's capitalism in decay or whatever the fuck (or LARPing as one).It's not.
>>748364972>we live in a beautiful natural paradise created for us to live in god's lightYeah, there's a reason why Earthlike planets are very few and far in between-->the meaningless black voidAnd you lost me, Man should appreciate all of God's creation, including space.
>>748364907He fucks off to his own planet and keeps coveting his neighbours stuff; comes back 100 years later with a fleet of spaceships
>>748364634If its made by kojima its canon
>>748364634>fans
>>748365614Imagine how expensive it would be to fight a war in space. There will probably be mutually assured destruction too like having nukes on steroids. Much easier and less risky just to do business together.
>>748357667>What you think the humanity should just proliferate endlessly without opposition or checks?Should? Yes. You're confusing should with will or can, which we can't due to the "rules of nature". Ideally everyone should be able to pursue whatever they want and gain whatever they want, the reality is that there are only so many beachside mansions with hookers and blow that can be built and maintained.
>>748357256The game's antagonists are literally just Big Boss 2.0. Mercenaries wanting the war economy to thrive.
>>748365853Yeah that’s the real answer, interdependent economies where all parties lose in case of hostilities. See orange man’s Hormuz debacle fucking my fuel prices for example
>>748365589>Wut.(((Finance)))fags supported the rise of the fascists and Nazis. The fascists and Nazis' entire policy was just to destroy the economy to build up a massive military, invade other countries to steal their stuff, and use that to pay the (((finance)))fags.>Ohhhhh you're a retard that thinks it's capitalism in decay or whatever the fuck (or LARPing as one).>It's not.No, I'm not a commie. There's just a massive difference between industrial capital (making stuff that people need and selling it to them for a profit) and (((finance))) capital (shuffling money around and being a parasite). A lot of the west's problems are caused by the fact that it moved away from industrial capitalism to finance.
>>748357256Wow, I didn't know that. Fascism sounds so cool!
>>748365891>the reality is that there are only so many beachside mansions with hookers and blow that can be built and maintained.Ever hear of elite overproduction? I think it's a big factor causing modern countries to go to shit.
>>748362234>If I say these ones don't count then nothing existsSchizo cope
>>748357256nobody understands wtf you are talking about you pseudo intellectual nerd.
>>748366130>overproductionAs in a market failure where there are plenty of products but nobody can afford them?
>>748357256>It's a fascist work of arti thought you leftspergs said the right can't create, well MGS says otherwise. Armstrong was right (except for putting kids into brain jars).
>>748358512it's zoomers who don't realise "Make america great again" was aping the Reagan era. It's just happenstance Trump went on to use it.
>>748357256>war creates pressure on society>societal pressure merits inventions>inventions warrent progressMake sense to me
>>748366490No as in there are too many elites in the ruling class, and now every spot at the top is filled by old men. So what do the younger elites do? Fan the flames of internal divisions and wars to try shaking things up and create new opportunities for themselves.
>>748366626>zoomers out nowheregood morning sir
>>748363382and Raiden's point was that the mighty should use their might to protect the weak. in that sense, their ideals aren't anything alike
>>748366110>(((Finance)))fags supported the rise of the fascistsStopped reading here. The primary support base of both the Nazis and Fascists in Italy were agrarian landowners and other middle class professions, as well as cannabilized support from the socialist workers movements. Industrialists and Capitalists courted their compliance, both proved to be, at worst, the dominant powers in the relationship. >I'm not a commieYet you repeat their bullshit. I should probably state that I am neither, either, although I have strong distaste for needing to say so.
>>748366740Why the fuck would a Jeet know about the Reagan era of politics, you spastic cunt? they think Trump is an emperor, not a president. They're not exactly historically literate.
>>748366583In a word where might make right, who is going to stop the strongest from putting kids in jars?
>>748364634It was based and is very much canon
>>748366842Me, swinging my proverbial dick around and making sure no one does lest they get raped to death
>>748366583Depicting fascism isn't the same as being developed by fascists. Are you pretending to be retarded or what?
>>748366984No I'm matching OPs retardation since he wants to be a mong.
>>748366984>>748367020Counterpoint: you're both retarded and I'm right.
>>748364634There's nothing to suggest it isn't.Kojima never disowned it, not even the cut ending and the nuke ARG.
>>748366842I think enough weak people would team up to stop the guy who puts kids' brains in jars.
>>748357525Op worships himself he cant.
>>748367045counter-counterpoint: *zandatsus you*
>>748363519you really should listen to sam's theme's lyrics more and pay attention
>>748364972Nice try Demiurge
>>748363223woman brained post
>>748366720Just make more jobs for highly-educated workers like research nerds, factory engineers, and so on.
>>748357627actually the real takaway is, if you are a hack to make it good and smart, make it memable instead
>>748357667trade is better than war though
>>748363223>No independenceYou fucking idiot, the whole point of his entire DLC was exactly about him getting FAFO for trying to one-man-army the whole thing.Raiden would've ended exactly like him or worse if he was alone too.
>>748366789No, it was the (((finance))fag elites that funded them.
>>748362537you are a pseud and a retard. Marvel slop is right up to your alley. Hey, the story isn't good or smart or interesting BUT HEY its so ENTERTAINING HAHAHAHAH like jokes, quiping, goofy shenanigans hahahah its so good its so kino everything should be like this
>>748367364That seems to be working in China. But sadly The West prefers importing millions of browns to do low skill labor.
>>748357256It extols the necessity of war to end those who trample on the wills of others while recognizing it as a monstrous thing. While Armstrong's demagoguery and cult of personality is enjoyable, you're supposed to see behind the veneer and realize he's a megalomaniac only concerned with being on top.
>>748363037the only thing he did wrong was losing against armstrong
this game was something else back when it came outit's a great shared memory with /v/ that I stil cherish to this day.
>>748367918LOSING MY IDENTITYYYY WONDERING HAVE I GONE INSAAAAAAAAAAANE mashups were kino.
>>748367526>>748359709pretentious troon melty
>>748367437Sam shits all over him in the beginning, so he definitely wouldn't have ended the same way, he would've just died.
>>748357256Such cool protagonist wasted on a braindead actionslopWould love to play a remake made exclusively by kojima
>>748368057>remake made exclusively by kojimKojima said MGR ended up closer to his vision than his junior team's version of Rising did.
>>748357256RULES OF NAAAAAATURE
>>748368057Nigga MGS stealth is even more braindead you just spam tranq headshots.
>>748367457>I'll just keep repeating myself Okay, my response is "Please kill yourself."Proceed.
>>748367371>Trade wars don't exist
>"you can cut everything">10 years later and games can't even make destructible environmentswhat went wrong?
>almost 15 years ago>/v/: hey check out dark souls>game is good>everyone plays it >many threads were made about it>memes were made and some of them eventually worms its way into mainstream media years later>/v/: hey check out MGR>game is good>everyone plays it >many threads were made about it>memes were made and some of them eventually worms its way into mainstream media years laternewfags will NEVER get this feeling
>>748363104>Rising is NOT a canoncope>and kojima hated itThat's why it's canon, everything that retarded hack hates is great
>>748368057>Braindead actionYou can't say this if you haven't beaten Sam on hardest mode no dmg taken. Otherwise get gud
>>748368323unreal engine you can thank timmy for gaming being trash nowadays
>>748363104>Rising is NOT a canonKonami posted an updated series canon timeline this very year and it's on there, as is Portable Ops. >and kojima hated itActually he said under his team of juniors the game would never have been done and he loved the final product, he still retweets anniversary posts for it fondly.
>>748364664The arm wasn't a cybernetic enhancement, it was a prosthetic and probably stronger than his regular arm but that's not why he had itIt was a medical device
>>748368119https://youtu.be/j7fddFXzJXM?si=J-g_DT5kWZv4a60IGo rewatch its tech demoIt was never meant to be a braindead cagAnd kojima only said that under k*nami pressure
>>748357256Imagine thinking a Metal Gear game is pro war.Did you think Sundowner going on about>THE GOOD OLD DAYS AFTER 9/11!Was an unironic endorsement of the war industry? Are you fucking retarded?
>>748368057MGR has a better story than most of the Kojima-written MGS games.
>>748360825>and ultimately agrees with the antagonist's worldview?The antagonist's worldview is everyone is a cuck soi beta male that needs to kneel to him because he's rich and juiced on nanomachines, quite the point really that Armstrong "cheated the process" by converting cash into raw physical power, he has no fighting style, is built to be essentially invincible, and is at his absolute angriest in the whole game when anybody successfully lands a blow on him through his automatic defensesVigilantism and "seizing destiny," Raiden was already doing that and has been for multiple games before Armstrong ever existed
>>748368323The pursuit pf graphic fidelity killed gamingEnjoy your dlss5
>open thread>post misinformation>get corrected>say "wrong">assert games don't need a message because I'm dumb and don't understand them.God I'm so based.
>>748368630>And kojima only said that under k*nami pressureKojima said it as recently as 2022 you fucking spasmoid. The fact you call it a character action game and not a hack and slash outs you as a redditor/indian btw. The tech demo was great but Kojima said it ran like shit and there wasn't really a game beyond those vertical slices .
>>748357627wtf are you talking about, MGR has deeper themes than the vast majority of video games. Most games, even most modern games, have surface-level plots. Like what depth does Wolverine's story have? lolThe fact that you think entertaining writing and thematic depth are mutually exclusive makes it clear you shouldn't be lecturing anyone about writing.
Anyone who slings the word pretentious around like thematic writing (what you should have learned in middleschool) is difficult is retarded.
>>748368484>Konami posted an updated series canon timeline this very year and it's on thereIt's canon to Konami''s timeline but not to Kojima's.>as is Portable Ops.That one is not so clear, since the master book also called PW the first canon MG on a portable console.
>>748368995What would you call a call a game like YIIK if not pretentious?
>>748368256Kill yourself, faggot.
>>748369141>but not to Kojima's.kojima isnt the be-all-end-all of metal gear, most of his team are still at konami.
>>748369230NTA but YIIK's problems have nothing to do with themes, it's that it's meandering and triteTakes fucking forever to get anything done, both in plot and gameplay, and is generally extremely uninteresting to interface withThough IDK about the whole revamp update
>>748368849None of what you are saying contradicts the point being made in that post, retard. You are the one who interpreted interpreted the post completely wrong.MGR has deeper themes, yes. But being an endearing entertaining story is a huge part of what makes these themes so compelling.As for the ""well written"" part, which is in quores for a reason: Theres lots of things about MGRR that are very silly fantasy situations, that arent the most rational, or would have some obvious reason why the character's actions wouldnt work/would backfire. But that doesnt really detract from the story. Wanting every aspect of the story to make "perfect sense" does not actually improve it. Thats not necessarily what actually makes writing good.> makes it clear you shouldn't be lecturing anyone about writing.my 4000 review indieslop on steam has been generally praised for its writing. id say thats good enough>>748367526Mental retardation that didnt even read the post award
>>748369765I know. That's why i specified things that way.Kojima apparently didn't even really create the original MSX game anyway (the was already in development before he joined the team), though the original team of the first game already left before MG2, so going by that when it comes to who created it the only pure canon game is the original game.
>>748368849lets simplify things so a sub 100 iq dude like you can understand! story needs to be gooddeep themes is something that helps make the story goodbut deep themes doesnt inherently made the story good
>>748357256Yes. And your objective in the game is to kill those who believe that.
>>748357584Is this real?
