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>that presumed painfully mediocre 5/10 h-game made in a shitty engine turns out to be a 10/10 masterpiece of storytelling and character development
it..it wasn't supposed to turn out like this...
I was only checking it out to shit it on it..
what the FUCK bros..
black souls thread
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UNIS RAPE!
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>>748455764
Welcome to the club. I've been looking for something to replicate that BS high since 2021, with only a few games managing to scratch that itch (LobCorp, E33... and I think that's it)
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>>748455764
it do be like that sometimes.
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>>748455764
any way to play this on iOS?
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>>748458026
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>rape
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>>748455764
>game i know nothing about is shit and i hate it and i will dedicate time to hate it because... i just want to
what causes this? genuine question, not trying to insult op
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>>748456094
My beautiful feminist wife!

>>748456307
King Exit and Demons Roots are pretty good. Not as experimental in terms of mechanics and they're merely serviceable as RPGs, but the characters carry both games.
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>>748455764
black souls was actually jaw-dropping for me, and i went in already expecting it to be pretty solid
it's what motivated me to start going to alice working on my own game
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Dead Red Hood will release before the end of the year. Potentially before Queen of /v/.
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This game inspires mental illness in fat white men.
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>>748459000
the REAL question is; BS3 when?
>>748459513
i'm skinny albeitoughever.
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>>748458530
Making King's Exit an AU disconnected timeline to Basedroots, then proceeding to never release another game should be considered terrorism on the devs part.
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Finally decided to start playing this game today. Should I know anything or is this one of those games that are better when played blind?
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>>748459513
Slavs*
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>>748459756
You can equip 4 rings
Hold shift for focused movement
It's not a cutscene
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Do I need to play Black Souls before I play Black Souls 2? I heard Alice is only in Black Souls 2.
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>>748459887
You need to stay away from both games, they're a waste of time
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>>748459887
You do
It's also much shorter than 2, I 100%'ed it in 16h on a replay, so that's doing all the optional shit that you don't need to do if you're just trying to play it for context before 2
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>>748459887
the 2nd is a sequel, it would do you good to play BS1 for understanding the lore
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>>748459756
you can beat helkaiser's ass in the tutorial and get an awesome sword
sometimes, not answering is an answer too
it's not a cutscene

>>748459887
yes, it's not very long and you'll miss a lot if you don't go into BS2 knowing what happened immediately prior
there is Alice in BS1, but the specific "Alice" you're talking about is only a main character in BS2
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>>748459973
>>748459985
>>748460091
>>748460170
Okay thank you guys.
From the memes I get the understanding that the undead mc knew Alice from his past life and she somehow dies at the end? Also there's multiple ones idk how that works yet. Anyway looking forward to it.
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>>748459887
I guess you don't absolutely need to play BS1 before 2, but you really really should. You might end up caring more about the story/lore than you thought you would, especially considering it's just a porn game.
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>you sense a dark presence...
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>>748455764
>[soiler]black souls thread[/spoiler]
imagine pretending to be new
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>>748455764
It's just a sign that you're an uneducated 3rd worlder.
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>>748459827
>>748460170
Cool, I'll keep the cutscene thing in mind
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>>748461371
You didn't play the game.
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>>748455764
yeah great game.
loved the SEN/dark-world system.
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>Dead Red Hood will release sometime around late 2020s
>At this pace Black Souls 3 will be a 2030s release
Sasuga Toro-sama...
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>>748461371
I don't think anyone posting starter pack images has an IQ above 80, no matter what the image is trying to make fun of
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>>748459827
>It's not a cutscene
I’ve never played this but if you just spoiled a Metal Gear Solid “press R2 to execute” moment I’m gonna be mad
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>>748462927
Nah, it's a mechanical/RPGMaker engine limitation thing. One moment looks and feels like a cutscene, but you're meant to move to intercept the monster. The reactions of people who find out about it unspoiled range from "heh, that's dumb" to "that's bullshit, now I have to reload the save file"
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>>748455764
i've never played it but can i finish it without raping anyone? i dont like rape
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>>748464107
you're free. i mean it. if you don't like raping someone, feel free to not rape them.
you can even disable h-scenes, but obviously you'll miss out on some dialogue and character moments if you do a run where Grimm isn't the Greatest Rapist Of All Time. nothing that'll stop you from enjoying the game, though.
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>>748463291
ehh? nta but I thought you were gonna reference the press ESC moment when doing the reverse ending thing, but what your describing doesn't ring a bell at all and I've completed the whole game and all endings. What's that?
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>>748464426
Elma's questline in BS1
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>>748464426
BS1, when the Match Girl Elma's mother attacks her in the shop
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>>748464107
Actually, yes. Black Souls is known for being the Chad McRapeman game, but it's optional and actually often detrimental gameplay wise aside from some niche cases, unless you're a completionist. A few optional rape scenes in the second game however lead to background lore and more characterization and spooky times.
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>>748455764
a thread
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>>748459000
Has EMMM posted ANYTHING lately? At all?
At least AC8 releases next week
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>>748459827
Is the “its not a cutscene” referring to the candle girl in bs1?
>>748464107
Technically, you shouldn’t rape anyone in the first game. The second game, you can choose not to rape, but there’s a returning character you SHOULD “”rape”” to get some lore.
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>>748455764
For me good eroges tend to scratch an itch rarely satisfied by normal games, and I'm not talking about the porn. I played the three charms series recently after ignoring it because I didn't like the art. It was so good.
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>>748459756
Spoilers are there to protect your enjoyment of the game.
Don't look at the spoilers
WHAT DID I JUST TELL YOU NIGGER
ХжД@sffв@джиvг@иЦ@идижЦ
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I know none of you care about this but when I was very into this game 5 years ago an Alice came to my life and made it hard for me to not associate this game with her.
She was also underage while I was much older so it was just like I was Grimm lol.
Great game, but I don't know if I'd be into it as much as I was back then. Stirs a lot of emotions inside of me. Mostly bad.
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>>748466990
[DEAD RED HOOD Progress Update!]
CG... Done (600+ base images, excluding variations)
Scenario... Done
Winged bug... Gut-punched

Now for the actual game mechanics! We're past the 50% mark! My butt is literally on fire—I'm a human fireball—but I'm giving it my all!

I can finally see the finish line.
Sorry for keeping you waiting (◞‸◟)
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I finished 1 yesterday. I thought the wonderland segments were kino. I kind of thought the story was kind of barebones, it's mostly just lore. I'm looking forward to 2, I heard Alice can be my mom which sounds really hot.
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>>748467368
That's good to hear, but I don't think it will be a 2026 release.
How long do translations take?
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triple handicap love!
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What the hell man, this frog bitch stole my levels.
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>>748468124
better early than later. it's either get sucked or kill her
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>>748459000
Nice
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>>748456094
More like anus haha
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>>748455764
I wint play it because the art looks like a highschool autists le first anime drawings instead of joining in PE and being popular
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>>748467603
if it's a proper, human made one it takes a couple months usually
AI shits it out in a day
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>>748468985
it grows on you, specially the one from the first game
he got really good over time though
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>>748468985
the art is good, it fits perfectly with the nightmarish world that's presented
it also stands out from all the other RPGM eroge
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>>748468985
Art can be grating, abrasive and ugly on purpose. In this particular case, the artstyle fits the story being told perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czuzgKcX0Qs
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>>748467443
> I kind of thought the story was kind of barebones
Did you get all endings?
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Marry Node
Fuck Prickett
Kill Jubjub
Rape Mabel
Ignore Miranda
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>>748470490
miranda fought lindamea for you and this is how you treat her? for shame...
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>>748470004
Yeah. I mean don't get me wrong the plot twists were cool but it was pretty simple. Maybe that's intentional as I remember dark souls mostly being lore based story telling.
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>>748459756
Don't read spoilers
You can mash interact with the crack in the wall at the hub to get some grind reducing rings
The game is meant to be played over multiple runs, there's no downside to Ng+ and you can try for different outcomes
I said don't read these!
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>>748470678
fine, I'll keep Miranda as my souls dispenser then
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>>748470969
Anon... that's Merphyllia
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>>748455764
From everything I've seen about this game there's no way it's a 10, more like an astroturfed 6.
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>>748470490
My beloved heroines... and Leaf's dad in drag
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>>748469469
In this case it's just low quality. Don't you ever compare Drakengard to this shit ever again.
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>>748471119
no that's Miranda, what are you talking about? the messy black hair, the dead black eyes, even the edgy hood is there. it's Miranda!
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>>748467613
trap faggot ass wife lizard
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>>748471245
>I judged a book by it's cover, I am an intelligent and well-adjusted person who doesn't have a myriad of personal issues
sure bro
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I am going to Grimm.
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I remember playing this, and then finding the corpse of Dodo, then opening the menu and realizing all my waifus werent in the covenants. Had to go slay that BITCH JubJub, turn back time and try again. I was filtered by the Deep Sea Knight and just looked up the rest on youtube.
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>>748455764
what are some other kino edgy rpgmaker games? preferably on the shorter side like the first BS and OFF
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>>748471825
you cant go wrong with a little Ib
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>>748455764
Lets just presume everything you wrote is true and not just a shitty bait title ..
Where is reds game?
Its been 4 years nigger.
Im telling you he is washed and the game is gonna suck.
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>>748471945
Well on ci-en he just keeps drawing tunny art so I think he's gone down the extreme loli rabbithole
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>>748471945
just 200 more CGs bro.
trust the plan.
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>>748471663
That saying is a brainlet filter. Always judge a book by its cover, the cover is a feature.
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>>748472017
>>748472054
W H E N
H
E
N
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>>748472445
A lot of the fun I had in BSII was reading all the reference material even if some are kids stories. I didn't even know how good some of the Lovecraft stuff was. The story in BSII is just kind of okay, but there is so much interesting related material I never would have looked at otherwise without playing it.
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>>748472595
do you need to read all that stuff to understand what's going on? im only familiar with alice and some lovecraft stories, and that's because i read them when i was a teen
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>>748472909
not at all, I just started looking up references I didn't get and liked reading all the related stuff, or historical stuff about carroll. ended up reading all his works which were great
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>>748467368
>game is 50% done
See you all in 2037
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>>748455764
I don’t know why someone doesn’t ai animate all then scenes in this game then mod them in.
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>>748472909
you don't need to know anything to get the full story, but if you're familiar with the outside context, you'll catch a few cheeky references and little lore bits you wouldn't otherwise
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I'm sure no one else is this dumb, but this game is how I found out Lewis Caroll was likely a pedophile. When it got to the segment where you're him in the real world was insane.
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>>748461371
Are Demon Root's or Sequel any good? I liked the games there aside from Monster girl quest.
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>>748472909
Nah, it's enough if you're familiar with the basic gist. First game lightly delves into different fairytales but the second game is full on Alice in Wonderland. Maybe watch the Disney movie as a primer if you need a reminder.
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>>748473613
I loved the first three sequel games, the other ones not so much.
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>>748459000
>spoiler
I doubt it, but those trips don't lie.
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>>748458026
Apple doesn't allow emulators?
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>>748467603
>How long do translations take?
Otaku Plan will likely get the license and they aren't exactly fast, so you'll probably be waiting a year or two for a human translation. I'm sure someone will shit out an AI TL week 1 for people who are impatient.
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>>748472445
True, I started it precisely because the cover looks cool as fuck
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>>748472445
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>>748474876
If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.
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>>748471825
Mogeko Castle
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>>748471764
>Faggot both doesn't spoil himself and spoils himself in the same post.
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>>748475337
now that you posted about Mogeko Castle, this remind me that I watched a beaner's video review of Black Souls 1 and said it was an ok game but the loli rape content was hard to ignore and was of bad taste yet has a 40 minutes video of him glazing all over Mogeko Castle.
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>>748473060
Scenes, assets and story are done, it's only coding that's only halfway finished. I can imagine making a hitman clone in rpg maker can be a bitch
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>>748468124
Wasn't the tongue action worth it though?
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>>748470490
Why would you ignore best girl?
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RELEASE
THE GAME
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>>748476103
Hol up.. that game is about rape?
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We'll have GTA VI before Dead Red Redemption
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>>748477401
Yes
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>>748477401
MC wants to rape her brother but gets raped by those yellow dog things.
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>>748471391
nigga this is black souls, like half of the characters are actually dudes in drag
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>>748477401
>>748477598
It's actually a common theme in DSP's games. You can tell they were written by a woman.
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>>748477617
Niggermans aren't actually men.
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>>748455764
The first one caught my attention and I started playing it a bit recently, felt cool when I managed to kill the dragon, by the way, is there a way to save that girl at the beginning? Also, I noticed there is the option to rape the fairies, I dont want to hurt cute things, is it possible at all to be the good guy and help everyone, or is this game purely misery porn with either kind of ok/sad endings, because im not the biggest fan of those. I was hoping the sex scenes would be because im a badass saving cute girls and whatnot, I think i may just be a retard for not getting the hint its likely meant to be an incredibly dark/edgy game, but i did go in totally blind so I dont really know. Sorry for ranting, was just curious.
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>>748455764
>storytelling
most of its just 'what if popular thing but anime and rape'
>character development
99% of the characters are no different by the end of the game from when they were introduced, there is no development
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>>748477757
>is there a way to save that girl at the beginning?
No, not at the start at least.
>is it possible at all to be the good guy and help everyone
Arguably that's how you should be playing.
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Could Grimm beat It
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>>748477924
I could beat it to Pwie
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>>748477757
>is there a way to save that girl at the beginning
sort of? you can't stop Helkaiser from burning her, but you can do a side quest later to fix her up
>is it possible at all to be the good guy and help everyone
yes, in fact that's the narratively intended way to play on a first playthrough
>is this game purely misery porn with either kind of ok/sad endings, because im not the biggest fan of those
the endings are complicated to say the least, and it's expected that you get more than one
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>>748477757
>is it possible at all to be the good guy and help everyone
Yep
>is this game purely misery porn with either kind of ok/sad endings
Uhhhhhh
BS3 will have a happy ending, trust
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>>748478035
Its a she on that image
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>>748467443
>>748470734
I feel a lot of the story of 1 and 2 is also carried by what is motivating you to continue playing. Such as in 1 You'll only really go for the true ending if you start to immerse yourself and care about the characters only to kill them
and then in 2 you'll carry over some desire to reunite with them whilst also questioning to what degree they can 'carry over' or even be 'real' due to Mary Sue's shenanigans. Personally, I also felt that, since sex was even easier to obtain in 2, I became less interested in it and almost tired of it which is the point because you're just a walking dildo/novelty sex toy for eldritch beings and you can somewhat quickly pick up on how fabricated everything is leading to believing none of these creatures hold any true feelings for you and finding there's probably nobody there you can feel any true attachment to or desire to help and just trying to break out leading to Red Hood leading to finding out that she's fucked as well leading to falling even further into what you can even do leading into Mabel and realizing that a lot of these demons did end up genuinely caring about you leading to even the TNO having some kind of genuine attachment and just being more a victim then genuine evil leading to realizing that you personally are fucked and coming around to this fucked up scenario and just trying to help who you can before falling for good oh yeah and I guess sex every now and again
also looking for Alice
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>>748478035
Cut your tinymimi dick and die.
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>>748477757
it's been a long while since ive played it but iirc the true ending requires you to go full rape n kill, sooo..
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>>748478136
>look it up
>it's tinymini
>I've been using it wrong all this time
What the fuck
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>>748478098
oh and that also includes in 2 killing Node early on in your cycles after piecing together that her time powers are keeping you there, even if you believe at that point that she might not be evil only to still be thrown back in and then much later learn the depths to which she cares about you
In sum, the pacing of the story of the both games seems to want to match what the player themselves is feeling while playing and how those feelings might change as they learn more and/or new things happens.
That or I'm just a schizophrenic that fell too deep into playing 2
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>>748470734
I get it. If not for ending D BS1 could've been a self-contained game akin to Witch's House. Actual worldbuilding and the meat of the story happens in the sequel.
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>>748478167
false
end C requires you to kill your companions, sans Red Hood and end D requires you to kill Prayer Master, but you never have to rape anyone
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>>748456094
I'd pin her down, sit on her face (anus to mouth) then start swallowing as many laxatives as I physically could without risking organ failure
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>>748478271
And Leaf doesn't count because she's into it anyway?
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>>748478346
yeah she wrote that shit happening so it's not rape
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>>748477924
Grimm belts outer gods like he's their alcoholic father, he would touch Pwie sexually and violently, perhaps simultaneously
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Just got the game, am I supposed only be saving at bonfires and taking the penalty on death or just reloading?
The souls system doesn't make much sense in a save anywhere game with a hundred save slots.
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>>748478580
yes
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>>748478218
I though you were meming on her name
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>>748478630
No, I'm just retarded
Reminds me of the time when I evaluated some bloke's writing and I praised his Faulkner reference, only for him to respond 'what reference'
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>>748478580
Trust me, when you're gonna be figuring out a strategy for a harder boss you'll be grateful for an option to save the game. It's for the same reason that even Fromsoft doesn't really do runbacks anymore and just puts a bonfire right next to the fog gate. In rpgmaker there's just more bullshit that can take you by surprise.
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>>748455764
>>that presumed painfully mediocre 5/10 h-game made in a shitty engine turns out to be a 10/10 masterpiece of storytelling and character development
would you still be saying that if it had no sexual content whatsoever?
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>>748479095
If it had no sexual content whatsoever the story fundamentally wouldn't work.
If it was cut to black? Yeah I would, and apparently there's a lot of people who play it this way.
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>>748477924
Don't you make me repeat it.
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EMMM's execution livestream is already scheduled in case he doesn't deliver
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>>748460862
The artstyle and designs of this game are definitely cool
But boy can I just not get into rpgmaker gameplay
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>>748455764
>black souls
If you guys like RPGMaker games , The Last Sovereign has pretty good storytelling
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>>748461371
LonaRPG's pornographic images are not particularly erotic, it's ridiculous to argue their presence markedly enhances the game. Rather the fun comes from dealing with an actual unforgiving world and seeing how far you can make it. The two biggest flaws it has are:
1) the ship's ticket being capped at 20 gold. If you're going to make such a punishing game then the player should be locked out of the """good""" ending if they aren't efficient enough to earn the money before inflation makes it impossible.
2) Chink being an obsessive oriental who doesn't work well with others, isn't the best developer in the world, and is trying to cram increasingly complex mechanics into the shit that is RPGMaker.

Other than these two flaws, the game is unique for the genre and actually enjoyable.
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>>748479968
Is it finished yet or are they still updating it?
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>>748480340
It's fully complete but guy likes to come back and add more art
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>>748480393
v1.2.2
https://mega.nz/file/n5ljAIxK#_viUotaH84sEzeGjfSApM4dksMC6s5Tk_qozEAjOTYA
https://the-last-sovereign.blogspot.com/
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what do we think of old, smelly hags?
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>>748480985
hags are MADE for rape not love
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>>748480985
She's not even that old
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>>748480985
Why doesn't she have more shit? Also pretty fucking useless later on, you really don't need what she's selling last I checked.
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>>748473613
Sequel is significantly worse than MGQ, Demon Roots is on the same level with it.
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>>748458798
Will your alice game have lovecraft myth?
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>>748458798
And how's going to Alice going?
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Foolish bird Dodo, desu.
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how do i actually play black souls without paying for it
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>>748483149
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>>748479095
I skipped probably 95% of the sex in the game. However, it's crucial that the sex is in, or else I won't play. It's an interesting conundrum and an attitude that I see quite frequently amongst visual novel players.

The remaining 5% I came buckets to, however. Hoo boy. Prickett's sex scene, Mabel's sex scene, all of Node's sex scenes, Dodo's scene, CC's scene, Jubjub, March Hare, the VN section scenes, Kuti, Victoria.... actually, you know what? Maybe I didn't skip 95% of it, only 70% of it.
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>>748482763
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>>748480985
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What did you guys name your Grimm? I named mine Charming
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>>748484294
Some made up fantasy name that sounds right is always my go to choice. For BS it was Irias and Alden.
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>>748455764
>>that presumed painfully mediocre 5/10 h-game made in a shitty engine turns out to be a 10/10 masterpiece of storytelling and character development
>pic absolutely, unequivocally, and utterly unrelated
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>>748459000
from the twtter post like december at the soonest, there's stil like half of the actual gameplay stuff that needs to be set up even if all the assets and writing are complete
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>>748484462
You didn't play the game.
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>>748484681
>december
2032 that is.
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>>748484517
Is that Paus?
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>>748485259
...maybe.
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>>748485303
Foolish Faust
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Star Dream Gazer


Hand outstretched, I make a wish
Upon that sweet sweet shooting star
Running all across the night sky

Past rainbow bridges, through cloud whales
I want to send two handfuls of huge heart candies

I'd rather dream,
I want to feel them more,
Every irreplaceable moment, I spend it with you

Laughing, crying, holding each other, always together
We vowed to write a new page in our book

Taking a detour side-by-side, to the next galaxy
We'll ride on the orbit of Milky Way
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>>748484294
i forgot but something boring like my name probably,
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>>748484681
He said all CGs except porn were finished fucking 3 years ago. I don’t believe anything he says till I finally see the actual game on DLsite.
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>>748479095
>would you still like this sandwich if there was no meat?
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>>748479968
>The Last Sovereign
Was this made by the same person who made and abandoned Magical Camp? That 'Wynn' character is literally the same exact as Veronica.
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I feel the same OP. I heard ASTLIBRA is a masterpiece as well but there’s something special about Black Souls
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DRH is never coming out. Fuck Toro.
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>>748455764
I'm going to MAbel
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>>748487438
It's very popular free asset. Many games use it.
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i am too low iq to understand what the fucks going on in black souls 2
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>>748478227
>meat of the story happens in the sequel.
Dunno about that. I remember before BS2 came out we were having a ton of discussion on BS1 lore. Much more than any other game.
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>>748488410
How much of the game have you gotten through? Where's the furthest you've gone?
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>>748455764
Dinah is best girl
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>>748488578
i don't remember it's been years
just doing random crap a little bit different every time before killing the cat for a new game cycle
eventually i gave up and looked up a guide and the amount of shit you have to do to follow the path is insane and even still i failed something halfway through and just got a regular ending again
watched a playthrough where you do some button sequence to select the hidden answer and that didn't make the story any clearer for me
it's too bothersome for my retard brain..
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>>748488410
Every character you meet in the story turns up again, hundreds of miles away, to reveal that they are someone else and have been secretly controlling the action of the plot. It feels like the entire world is populated by about fifteen people who follow Grimm around wherever he goes. If the next three games continue along the same lines, then the big reveal will be that the world is entirely populated by no more than three superpowered shapeshifters.

Everyone in the game has secret identities, secret connections to grand conspiracies, and important plot elements that they conveniently hide until the last minute, only doling out clues here and there. There are no normal people in this world, only double agents and niggermen in disguise. Every analysis I've read of this game mentions that even the narrator is unreliable.

This can be an effective technique, but in combination with a world of infinite, unpredictable intrigue, EMMM's story begins to evoke something between a soap opera and a convoluted mystery novel, relying on impossible and contradictory scenarios to mislead the audience. Apparently, this is the thing his fans most appreciate about him—I find it to be an insulting and artificial game.

There is simply not enough structure to the story to make the narrator's unreliability meaningful. In order for unreliable narration to be effective, there must be some clear and evident counter-story that undermines it. Without that, it is not possible to determine meaning, because there's nowhere to start: everything is equally shaky.

At that point, it's just a trick—adding complexity to the surface of the story without actually producing any new meaning. I know most sci-fi and fantasy authors seem to love complexity for its own sake, but it's a cardinal sin of storytelling: don't add something into your story unless it needs to be there. Covering the story with a lot of vagaries and noise may impress some, but won't stand up to careful reading.
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>>748466990
He posted something yesterday about a status update
>spoiler
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>>748458050
I was going to say browns don't have money for an iPhone then I remembered how extremely common they are in SEA.
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It's funny how like 99% of Leaf fanart is a spoiler because of the neck chain.
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>>748478271
>sans Red Hood
are you mistaking her for Miranda, the other gloomy hooded psycho? You definitely do need red good. You even get a unique dialogue scene if you leave her for last
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>>748488789
Dinah should have been a summon you got after G ending.
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>Just one more thing before Ms. Red...
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>>748468124
It's ok you can SL1 the whole game if you so wish.
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>>748490960
>Excuse me miss uh... Red, was it?
>This dog of yours, what breed is he?
>Oh no don't mind me askin', he just reminded me of my wife. Absolutely looooooves dogs, that one, got a whole kennel in fact.
>Now, you see, whenever mating season came around, my wife and I would put the dogs in a separate pen so they could... you know, do their thing. The worst part was the cleanup afterwards, the stink was unbearable.
>Why am I bringing this up? You see, Ms. Red, here was only one thing in common between every single crime scene I investigated. You know, other than the dead body.
>The stench. Every single one of them smelled like dog semen, just like our breeding pen. Now, I know you might think I'm pulling your leg saying something this absurd, but I assure you I'm dead serious. It's the kinda stink you just can't forget, took us days to wash it off the floor a-
>Oh, I'm so sorry miss, I can see I'm making you uncomfortable. I mean, talking about something this uncouth with a little lady like yourself, I really should be makin' myself scarce after that.
>Just uuuuuh, one more thing.
>Miss Red.... (sniffs)
>When was the last time you took a bath?
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>>748490463
i guess he's playing the new ace combat
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>>748491142
God damn. Perfect mannerisms, too. Fuckin' Columbo himself was narrating this in my head. Brilliant work anon.
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>>748484294
Anon
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>>748484294
Alan.
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>>748484294
I named him Grimm, because that's his canonical fucking name. If you renamed Grimm, you ought to be shot.
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>>748491483
So you just went through a game over loop over and over again?
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>>748491627
Correct.
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>>748491718
based
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>>748483886
Tasty bird Dodo.
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>>748488430
I remember when people discovered the post ending C Leaf's ending and realized how all endings are canon.
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>>748491627
All caps works.
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>>748488410
You just have to be really thorough during exploration. If you missed something like the chaos library or a date with Prickett then it's no wonder you didn't get the story.
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>>748489046
why would you waste tokens on this
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Any good place to read about all the lesser known secrets/easter eggs?
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>>748455764
I still need to play the second game. I got most character endings and B C D endings
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>>748492993
This pasta is older than you.
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>>748493269
oh its just uncslop then
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>>748477924
I really thought they were talking about Azathoth when they were talking about 'the Slumbering One' at the end of Part 1
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why did i like bs1 but i hate bs2. shit feels so contrived and autisticially a walkthrough 'wiki' game bullshit

it's not fun
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>>748494198
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>>748482763
Why is she so MEATY
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>>748455764
BlackSouls 2 is unironically a masterpiece and one of the best games that I've ever played, and I've probably played to completion over 2k or even more videogames in my lifetime.
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>>748494256
it's gay as fuck, i want to summon leaf again, give it back
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>>748494312
I'm looking foward to DHH but I doubt Toro will be able to match what he did with BS2
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>>748494369
Based
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>>748494312
Same but I wouldn't even put it in my top 20
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I'll get to play BS once my japanese is good enough, the translation is apparently horrendous and I won't settle for trash.
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>>748455764
I wish EMMM invested in a real OST besides buying libraries and royalty free. Surely he can afford it
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>>748455764
Black Souls II managed to really hook me in precisely because I thought it was going to be another quirky rpgm slop with a tweeeeest.
Although back in Black Souls I the existence of Lindamea already made me interested. The dev had balls to put something like that in a game.
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>>748495037
>the translation is apparently horrendous
who lied to you
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>>748490463
>>748491157
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>>748495436
It was the door on the left, that's you know it's true. It's literally unable to lie
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>>748495516
>I'm a thinker, I cam break it down!
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS MEAN
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>>748495037
I'm studying for a Japanese replay. Currently 4000 words learned in of the 7000 words long deck. 1 and 2 combined have about 11000 unique words
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>>748495668
Well words aren't really an issue nowadays thanks to overlays. It's more about grammar and ease of parsing.
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>>748493269
Lmao this is the perfect deflection im stealing this
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>>748473681
>Maybe watch the Disney movie as a primer if you need a reminder.
Unironically the 1999 direct-to-TV film is the best adaptation the book has.
Strongly recommend to any of you Aliceheads.
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I picked up Hansel and Gretel's bread, should I restart?
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>>748496906
Don't concern yourself with a perfect run first try. Leave it to the NG+.
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>>748455764
You've convinced me to finally download it. How autistic do you have to be to beat it from a scale of 1-10? 1 being Pokemon and 10 being SMT Strange Journey.
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>>748497106
5
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>>748497106
BS1 starts off at 4, but quickly drops to 1
BS2 starts off at 7, drops to roughly 3 as you learn the combat system, then jumps up to 10 as you enter DLC3 (maybe more, I didn't find SJ that difficult, but then again I only played the beginning)
Lvl1 run is at 11
Lvl1 difficulty 9 run is at 9001
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>>748496906
How do you even know about that? I unironically went through like 5 NG+ before figuring out I should stop picking up the crumbs.
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>>748497216
>>748497332
I'll come later to beat everyone's asses in this thread if I don't like it.
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>>748495668
I played my first H-game after 4000 words. You can do it, anon.
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>>748497395
BS1 kinda sucks, so I wouldn't be surprised to see you back. But if you can power through it, BS2 is real good and lets you pull off some fun combos.
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>>748455764
>i played an acclaimed game to shit on it and I found out it's actually a good game
Happens more often than you think
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>>748476103
>the loli rape content was hard to ignore
It's been a while and I didn't disable it, but isn't there an option to turn off the 18+ content? Why would he keep it on if he doesn't like it?
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>>748494930
Bold claim.
Name just five (5) of your top 20.
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>>748455764
slop
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>>748499023
You didn't play the game.
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>>748499154
i did years ago before faggots here on /v/ started pretending it was a masterpiece because normies discovered its existence, so fuck off
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>>748498842
Pathologic 2, Supreme Commander FA, Thief Black Parade, Valkyrie Profile and Jagged Alliance 2
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>>748499268
Sure thing bud ;)
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I drew
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>>748499268
>faggots here on /v/ started pretending it was a masterpiece because normies discovered its existence
What the fuck are you talking about? Faggots on /v/ started hating on it when normies discovered it.
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>>748500214
Alice.
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>>748500214
Based drawfren
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>>748495516
>Armored Core Prickett
She's Ayre
>>748495560
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>>748500214
based, we love Alice.
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>>748458383
sums up how this board feels about deltarune
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>>748480985
I'm a fucking retard. I've never been able to save her.
I talk to her in the starting city. I deal with the bird. But still, whenever I find her in the cathedral she has gone mad
And it double sucks because it locks me out of saving Florence later on.
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I finished BS1 and tried out BS2 right after
Wanted to see all the content so I used a guide but stopped halfway through because I felt like it was ruining the magic
I think it's been long enough that I've forgotten most of whatever happens, is it worth going back and doing a completely blind run just for the experience and then a guide after to find the obscure shit? Or should I just sink a bunch of time into playing through a bunch and finding the shit myself? I enjoyed the first game because of the shorter playtime, but I don't know how long I can put up with RPGmaker gameplay to explore the world fully on my own
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>>748493103
These threads
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>>748495273
I think the selection is great for what it is.
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>>748503351
It's definitely worth to do one or two runs completely blind.
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>>748455764
I love Prickett even MORE than Alice!
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>>748473613
If you like Black Souls, you'll like Sequel Asylum because the structure and atmosphere is really, REALLY similar. Like, down to basic concepts of canonically respawning every time you die and being stuck in ruined worlds near desolate of intelligent life. The combat itself is fairly different, more standard RPG fare, but the exploration is basically the same except more linear because the game usually gives you missions in a couple areas at once and expects you to beat all of them before unlocking the next set.
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>>748504532
How does that happen, random chance?
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>>748473613
Demon Roots is a serviceable RPG that's carried by the story. The sexual stuff is mostly confined to bad ends you have to actively choose to pursue and the MC's design is pure sex.
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>>748460289
>From the memes I get the understanding that the undead mc knew Alice from his past life and she somehow dies at the end? Also there's multiple ones idk how that works yet.
so right, yet so wrong
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>>748504532
Prickett?
More like Bald Alice
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>>748460289
Play BS1 to understand what the fuck MC actually
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I just want to meet her again
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>>748472909
reading all that shit won't help you because EMMM is too autistic about alice in wonderland for even reading the damn thing to give you a clue what's going on, at most you'll understand what the characters and a couple locations are referencing and that's it
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>>748455764
The show must go on. Grimm is LITERALLY me.
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It's been so long I can't belive we are close now.
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https://fgguides.com/blacksouls/dead-red-hood/#All_Characters_in_DEAD_RED_HOOD
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>>748504694
Correct
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I'm glad we are close to getting DRH but imagine how many years it's going to take for BS3 to come out.
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in video games that allow it I oft attempt to recreate the grimm drip
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>>748508263
alice???
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>>748508325
Not a problem.
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>>748508325
IIRC he's doing a game about the princesses from 1 after DRH.
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>>748508758
With the number of years of no mention about that game at all it may be scrapped for all we know
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>>748508325
I hope I live long enough to experience it
wonder if he's going to use the new game engine, so we get it in 3D/2.5HD?
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>>748509213
that would be pretty cool, we would get cool area aesthetics
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>>748509213
BS3 on UE5!!!!
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>>748509598
It will be in RPG Maker U2U
https://youtu.be/eD6MgoHo24s?si=nT2iKIJL2L-IkBVp
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>>748508758
>implying a jap porn game maker in his late 60s is healthy enough to survive the next decade needed to produce BS3.
Lol, good luck with that.
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>>748477924
>Heard you have to give scissors to Palette
>Try giving money first thinking I could just give her the scissors if that failed
>Aggros
Fffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccckkkkkkkk
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>>748510035
>in his late 60s
He's that old? Fug.
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>>748510035
>jap porn game maker in his late 60s
i need the source on this claim
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>>748510035
>in his late 60s
Last I recall he was supposed to be pretty young when he made BS1/2, he's probably in his 30's at latest.
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>>748461371
fixed that for you, no need to thank me.
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>>748510973
>he's probably in his 30's at latest.
he's just like me fr
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>>748504592
>If you like Black Souls, you'll like Sequel Asylum
This man lies like a dog. Asylum is someone taking the question of "what if BS but actually shit this time" and bringing it to fruition.
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>>748511086
this
its like if someone copied BS lore and storytelling without understanding what makes BS good
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npc dreams is actually good bs-like
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>>748511154
I could honestly look past the plot shit if damn near every single other aspect of the game wasn't a fucking downgrade to BS. For anyone that's ever complained about the Chaos Dungeon, go run through Asylum's Minisquare and get back to me.
>>748511337
It's still a lot more like BS1 than BS2 but yeah, I'd agree even if it's going to forever be incomplete. I've tried several other fangames and the only other one that's somewhat notable is Cradle of Nightmare.
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>>748504592
I thought SEQUEL Asylum was the best in the series, true. Ignoring the scat scene.
Still wouldn't rate it above a 7/10.
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>>748511337
I liked it but it doesn't have anything memorable like discovering the Kill room in BS1 or most of the stuff from 2
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where the FUCK is dead red hood?????
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>>748511627
We'll get something next month, trust
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>>748511486
>a lot more like BS1 than BS2
Maybe level design and story-wise, but combat is just a better designed BS2 combat
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Хpюкни, пидopaшкa
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>>748511569
I thought MADNESS CONSUMES MY BODY was pretty memorable for what it's worth. Actually finding out there were books in the hidden library was also a pain in the ass.
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>>748508442
I need your best Grimm reference images so I can do this too
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Alice?
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>>748511569
Honestly I liked it more than BS1. It didn’t have high peaks, but the overall experience was a lot better IMO.
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>>748455764
Black souls has been /v/core since the only way to play it was through a pastebin link and a MTL.
Really sad it's gotten so popular lately. I saw a fucking redhood cosplayer at an event. EMMM is known to be based but I don't want him to ever compromise his vision because of fame or whatever.
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>>748511915
>compromise his vision because of fame or whatever
This is inevitable. Just look at Chink trying to paper over any evidence of his 4chins days.
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>>748480985
why is she so fucking LOOOONG?
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>>748511736
>but combat is just a better designed BS2 combat
I'm not sure about that one.
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>>748512043
Why must everything I love get turned to normalfagslop?
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>>748511915
Sometimes, I blamed 4chan /v/ and /vrpg/ for not gatekeeping this. It was because of you tards that made this game spread to chinks fandom
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>>748508538
look like the shitty f*moid who ruining everything
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>>748508263
>We need to deal with shitty dogfucker game before BS 3 come out
Quill Me
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>>748504694
Yes, but you also get a similar scene if you're at 0 SEN the first time you meet Prickett in a loop
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what could be possibly happening in BS3? The loop is over, Grimm is free
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>>748512260
Might wanna run that one through google translate one more time Eduardo
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>>748512658
All out war between the niggermans. We'll finally get the true ending with Goose as your sole mate.
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>>748512658
The war, bro. Grimm finally acting of his own volition instead of as someone's puppet... maybe.
Somehow it feels like he'll end up a puppet regardless.
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>>748512745
>>748512785
huh? war with who
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>>748512658
Leaf is freed too, retardbro. Grimm current objectives are now hunting down Leaf and somehow bring back all of his loved ones back to life
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>>748512837
The Incest Wars.
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>>748512941
I had to rewatch ending H of ds2 since it was so long ago I dont remember shit, I even forgot that red hood dies I guess she's not coming back
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>>748511337
Plot twist of the year
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BS3 will be about Grimm finding a way to use his creation power to build his own garden without turning into whatever he was back in the Grand Guignol
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>>748512658
Going to hell, saving everyone, met Dante
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I hope BS3 let Grimm meet his true Alice and reunite with her properly this time
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>>748513313
Nah, Alice is a lie, he will save red hood from dying at 20
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>>748490463
>posted my work in progress when I was putting some rounds on the Ace Combat one
I feel blessed, I'll try to finish it before October 2 comes.
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How the fuck Prickett managed to lose control of her real body and got kicked out from the system even though she is supposed to be the big boss among the rest of her 'versions'
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>>748513746
>love the series
>hate Denuvo and kernel level anti-cheat fuckery
I never felt so conflicted before...
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>>748512258
i fail to see how a western website could spread a japanese game's popularity to china. it was always one of the best selling games on DLSite, from there it's a short step to china/bilibili memes and the rest is history.
not to mention EMMM released it on steam himself
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>>748480985
I forgot. Could you actually fuck her? What are the conditions?
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>>748514340
[Rape]
Also the only way to save her life if you don't care about ending H
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>>748513008
Can someone explain to me why the 3 Nightmare beasts have multiple 0 SEN forms? i get that 0 SEN is the no sugarcoat version, as well as that they were actually the 3 Alices all along, but not why they have different 0 SEN forms when fought as either during the run or as Alice
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>>748487623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBe6Mn2xRf8
best girl
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>>748512658
>t. completely ignored the Chaos Dungeon
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>>748515236
hell yeah
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>>748515610
I didnt, care to elaborate?
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>>748515640
soundfile doesnt play...
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>>748513836
She's not particularly special in her own right, in her date she directly compares her (and TCO's as a whole) situation to Grimm's as an abundance of souls enslaved to their desires, trying to establish control over the rest of the collective much in the same way as Grimm's authors.
>>748515662
>I didnt
Are you quite sure? Because there's a fuckhuge loredump that's necessary information after beating the Old King. DLC 3 touches on this as well.
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>What if fairy tales but eDgY
yea wow, such a fucking amazing story
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>>748512658
May-May breaks it down in the chaos dungeon, fill self with souls until the vessel breaks, restore the author souls to their original containers, allow the remnant to ascend to true godhood with the power of creation and fix the broken reality, fuck god bitches
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I just fucking realized that Prickett was actually the Queen in Red, one of TCO's strongest avatars
How the fuck did I just realize this fucking now?!
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>>748515974
You didn't play the game.
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>>748515974
Der Kinderofen. . . remembering now his teeth, long, terrible, veined with bright brown rot as he speaks these words, the yellow teeth of Captain Blicero, the network of stained cracks, and back in his nightbreath, in the dark oven of himself, always the coiled whispers of decay. . . . She recalls his teeth before any other feature, teeth were to benefit most directly from the Oven: from what is planned for her, and for Gottfried. He never uttered it clearly as threat, nor ever addressed to either of them directly, but rather across her trained satin thighs to the evening’s guests, or down the length of Gottfried’s docile spine (“the Rome-Berlin Axis” he called it the night the Italian came and they were all on the round bed, Captain Blicero plugged into Gottfried’s upended asshole and the Italian at the same time into his pretty mouth) Katje only passive, bound and gagged and false-eyelashed, serving tonight as human pillow for the Italian’s whitening perfumed curls (roses and fat just at the edge of turning rancid) . . . each utterance a closed flower, capable of exfoliation and infinite revealing (she thinks of a mathematical function that will expand for her bloom-like into a power series with no general term, endlessly, darkly, though never completely by surprise) . . . his phrase Padre Ignacio unfolding into Spanish inquisitor, black robes, brown arching nose, the suffocating smell of incense + confessor/executioner + Katje and Gottfried both kneeling, side by side in dark confessional + children out of old Märchen kneeling, knees cold and aching, before the Oven, whispering to it secrets they can tell no one else + Captain Blicero’s witch-paranoia, suspecting them both, Katje despite her NSB credentials + the Oven as listener/avenger + Katje kneeling before Blicero in highest drag, black velvet and Cuban heels, his penis squashed invisible under a flesh-colored leather jockstrap...
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>>748516031
Prickett was Grimm's original Alice, the Red Queen identity is her new role to keep herself separate from the main and winterbell hidden.
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>>748512658
free to set all his bitches straight once and for all
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>No Hastur
>No Cthugha
>No Cthulhu
>No Mh'ithrha and the Hounds of Tindalos
I sleep
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>>748497596
I wonder if we'll ever see her again
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>>748516117
I did play it, I just didn't get all of the shitty endings.
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>>748516250
>>No Hastur
>>No Hounds of Tindalos
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Does SEQUEL ever get good or should I just jack off to the galleries
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so if the gardens are just "fake" worlds made by the great ones, what is the real world? who made the actual world? how does that work
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>>748516282
>unironically got filtered
lmao
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>>748473613
Just play N.P.C. dreams if you haven't already.
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>Dead Red hood will probably be his biggest release as of now
>will probably have just as if not more scenes than bs2 and they will be mostly about red getting passed around
a complicated feeling
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>>748516250
>No Hastur
Extant in-universe though not physically present ingame, see >>748516387 and DLC 3.
>No Cthugha
404, but very likely one of the niggermen Mabel references in one of her final dialogues.
>No Cthulhu
Extant and active, though not present in the game itself
>No Mh'ithrha
404, but
>Hounds of Tindalos
Present ingame and with a cheeky bit of dialogue from Lindamea about them.
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>>748516521
>what is the real world?
Where we live
>who made the actual world?
The Idiot
>how does that work
Demon Sultan Azathoth
Bubbles in confusion
Center of the Universe
Sprouting foul protrusions
Muffled madd'ning beating drums
Hellish flutes a-playing
Round him dance the Other Gods
Voiceless, mindless swaying
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question
so Prickett is the one that actually loves grimm and helps him escape, what kind of being is she? what happens of her at the end?
and is Alice even real? Or is prickett actually alice?
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>>748516650
You are not helping at all
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>>748516557
Correct, filtered by the shitty "plot".
There's tons of RPGs with good stories, this series stopped being good at Red Hood's Woods
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>>748516772
Uh huh. Stay mad and filtered ;)
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>>748473613
I hated both DR and SEQUEL. Then again I'm a schizophrenic lorefag who thinks BS is a top tier story on the same level as the Nier/Drakengard games, FMD Muramasa, 13 Sentinels, LobCorp/Ruina, VTMB, E33 etc. So anything they offer would inevitably come up short.
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>>748516683
>>748516683
Prickett was one of TCO's avatars playing the role of Alice before she was severed by TCO herself out of jealousy
Yes, she was the OG Alice that fell in love with Grimm before Leaf showed up and ruined everything
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>>748512658
the Second Smoke War
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>>748516521
Reality is Azathoth's garden. Short version, when Aza-chan wakes up, reality goes poof, see >>748515917 for what'll happen when that transpires.
>>748516683
Prickett is a part of TCO, AKA Nyarlathothep. She's what we commonly refer to as a niggerman here in the same way characters like Node, Mabel, or the like are, but for a slightly more technical answer just brush up on Lovecraft's shit and look up Nodens and Yog-Sothoth and the like, odds are you'll recognize several characters in the series. What exactly happens to her post-H is unknown currently.
>Alice
Alice is real. She's the soul you see in the white prison post-TCO kill in G who then leaves with Lewis's soul. The memory flames cover a lot of Lewis's time with Alice in reality. Prickett is not the real Alice, and neither is TCO as a whole for that matter. Prickett was the part of TCO that originally played the role of Alice way back during the original tea party. As time went on, TCO got more and more into the role of Alice and now it's completely lost in the sauce and believes that it is truly Alice.
>cloudflare eating shit so I can't post
oh well
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>>748510973
He's in his early 20s, not even 25. I think on one of his birthday posts he answered how old he actually was and I remembered it because it turned out he's like a year or two younger than me and made Red Hood's Woods when he was still a teenager.
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>>748513008
Isn't Humpty already pregnant when you meet. Grimm just becomes the paypig cucko- I mean father who stepped up.
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I have some questions
Where did Grand Guignols plan / ideas even come from? Why did it want the power of a creator to wage war on the other Outer ones? Also, considering that Prickett and Node seem to be the most amicable of the Outerones we see, why is it they had to even agree on the creation of Grand Guignol so the other wouldn't have Mary Sue's power?
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>>748508325
2 came out like a year after 1, I don't know why there's been such a gap since
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>>748494135
This Canto made me think about Azathoth too, but it was the 2nd part.
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>>748473613
Demon's roots is a mediocre game with amazing story with some good music and it tends to always go on sale for cheap so go for it.
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Black Souls 3 will be Bible themed, since the Bible is the ultimate fairy tale. Mary's final name change will be to Virgin Mary.
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>>748516862
>Prickett was one of TCO's avatars playing the role of Alice before she was severed by TCO herself out of jealousy
I thought Prickett severed herself out of the collective (if you can call it that) because she genuinely loved Grimm, and being forced to be part of the play when it made him miserable became too much for her to bear. For this same reason she joined the conspirators
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>>748512258
Was it? I thought the game was already huge in China at that point. I mean it won GOTY on chink DLsite in 2023.



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