I miss 0.1. Ruthless mode won't fix it.
>>748486053I miss Chris
0.1 was just like now except shittier wtf
>>748486053Temu Diablo
>>748486053I wish they would delete this pile of shit.Jonathan the fat gook needs to noose for what he's done to poe
>>748487530>THE VISION
>>748486936No? You had to engage with boss mechanics and struggle with the campaign. No it devolved to mapcleaning as fast as possible.
im a zoomtard and i like the direction poe2 has taken
>>748487758No it didn't? The fuck? Just because the build crafter content creators whose builds you are copying got more effective after they had more time to learn the game doesn't mean it got eaiser, or that you are retarded for trying to fight the act2 boss without lighting resistance.
>>748487876I'm playing a melee character blind in the last update. I didn't do any theorycrafting at all and I'm mopping the game with no effort. This was not feasible at 0.1.
most people who play games are mentally ill retards so they need to be super easy. maybe time to move on to a better hobby OP.
>>748486053It's gonna be the biggest baddest diablo game, trust the plan
>>748487996No you aren't.
>Poop of shit 2Delete this disaster already
>>748488645>delete the peak of the genre because reasons
>>748488645where bulge
>>748488478He's right, it's very easy to delete bosses right now with day 2 to 3 gear, partly due to how easy it is to craft good items with abyss and essences. Crazy to think that they were even stronger in the previous patch.
>>748488796>peak of the genreArpgs were already better than shit2 20 years ago.Crap2 is slow slop with only a fraction of the content goat poe1 has
>>748489038>slowTime to update your second hand opinions.
Tencent shill thread
>>748489086>you have the same opinion that millions of others have already said>i only accepted brand new, unique, never heard before opinionsWhy are poepooers such gormless retard cunt children?
>>748490025I accept your concession.
>>748488645ugly girl or ugly dude?
>>748488478>>748487996playing the game as warrior was never that difficult. not even in 0.1. it was at a disadvantage while other classes had ways to roflstomp through the game, but if you genuinely found it hard, you just suck.the game is better now, and warrior is better now, but fuck me PoE players were melodramatic about the problems.>>748487727you realize 'the vision' was much more of chris wilson's thing, and he was way more stubborn than jonathan, right?
0.1 was even more busted and ridiculous than now. people just have nostalgia for it because it was new and they had no idea what they were doing
>>748490764I made a mercenary build at 0.1. I refuse to believe there is this massive gap between a mercenary and a melee build.
>>748486053I like this game and I think its fun :)
If anybody who doesn't know better or much about the game, and happens to read this thread curious about the game and see these schizos revisionist history or copium huffing here about melee being fine and there not being a gap between ranged and them, just letting you know that these guys are fucking retarded and I don't even know what to say, so just so you know that literally nobody is agreeing with them and the reason you don't see anyone challenge them in this thread is because it's such a retarded claim that nobody thinks it's worth their time to argue with retards.
>>748487104true Diablo really does feel like a chinese F2P game now
>>748491147i think there was a significant difference, but if you found the game hard, then you suck. that means even as the worst possible class, the warrior.go on, show me your cope
>>748486053>I miss 0.1Same. I had Temporalis in 0.1 and it was retardedly fun. Now I know that I won't ever be able to replicate this level of power in any future leagues because of both - I'm severely behind meta and PoE2 progress AND you now have to compete with all kinds of subhuman scum - RMT brownoids and chinkoids, nolife 100 hours per week streamers and faggots who copy them, group play abusers, etc. etc. etc. It's a rat race every time now and market manipulation is unreal. So I'm not going to bother.
>>748491147>so you know that literally nobody is agreeing with them and the reason you don't see anyone challenge them in this thread is because it's such a retarded claim that nobody thinks it's worth their time to argue with retard/v/ facorite pastime
>>748486053I've been playing this game for 2500 hours and it's fucking miserable. Literally all you're doing is gambling. There's no interesting or fun gameplay whatsoever. The campaign is boring dogshit. The end game is boring dogshit. I cannot stand mapping. NOTHING HAPPENS in 95% of the maps you do. Killing monsters just feels like "click on the dots until they disappear". How's 1.0 going to be bros?>3 classes still missing>At least 3 weapon types still missing>1 act still missing>innumerable bugs>league mechanics which are just copy pasted from poe 1 and dont fit into the game at all and lose their charm after 5 minutescant wait
>>748491338>now have to compete with all kinds of subhuman scumlol no you don't. i don't know what kind of mental illness this is, but i feel sorry for you.
>>748491468>have literally nothing of value to say>still seethesCope troon. Don't bother replying again I won't read.
I'm still of the opinion that game is significantly worse than PoE1 and the development time put into PoE2 could've just been used to make PoE1 better. But then they wouldn't've scammed hundreds of thousands of people with paid early access and made millions, so the real villain is capitalism.
>>748491379>and lose their charm after 5 minutesyet you played it for 2500 hours. interesting, and i'm not really sure what to make of this.
>>748491379And you played it for 2500 hours. You are beyond fucking retarded.
>>748491379>Literally all you're doing is gamblingNo shit? Is that not the entire point of the genre? Any gameplay you engage in is just a skin over the core experience of finding better items.
>>748491540PoE1 has more content and better theorycrafting. Everything else is a clear PoE 2 win.
>>748491518>>have literally nothing of value to say>>still seethesI thought it was simple enough that i wouldn't have to elaborate. The guy who wrote an entire paragraph complaining about other people are earning more currency than him in zoom zoom tink game is telling me I'm seething. I wasn't even trying to be rude, I actually think something is wrong with you.
>>748491540I prefer poe1 but i don't think they can add enough to make poe1 fresh again within the constraints of poe1 systems.I don't even play poe2 but its kind of obvious that it's new enough that people are happy to invest more time in it because it feels more fresh even if in spirit its the same / worse
>>748491379A lot of the streamers that are hardcore ggg glazers didn't even play the new league, it's that bad.Even their faces on previous leagues you could see the sadness clicking that login button, their souls leaving their body knowing they had to play such a dogshit game for the next 7 or 8 hours before their body gives out .. They had to do it because it's their job otherwise they'd uninstall and never touch it again like the rest of us
>>748491727That's the thing. PoE2 is more simplified. For a simpler audience. You say there is more theorycrafting in PoE1, but I would say that there just isn't much depth to PoE2. They wanted a wider audience and so they cut down on anything the least bit complicated. Duplo.
>>748491747I could never fully get into PoE1. I would get to endgame and quit every time I played it.Since it's launch, PoE2 has always just worked for me, and I end up investing way more time in it. Not sure what it is, but it makes me think it must be doing some things better than PoE1.
>>748491921Would you say PoE1 0.5 was deeper than PoE2 0.5?I doubt it, but I'm curious.
>>748491540sort of like how they 'scammed' people with paid early access of PoE1?
>>748492347Not him but I'd say POE1 beta was deeper because of how skills systems works. Then it just got overlapped with more currencies.
>poe is just like diablo 2!Path of Exile (1/2) totally misses the point of what makes an ARPG fun
>>748491908I think it might have been Quin I saw talking about feeling like shit just the thought of playing poe2 like he felt sick just thinking about it and wanting to call in sick so to speak.Ofc streamers will return when there any hype or drops specifically because you.. Job.There's people that think men can be women and people that think poe2 is good, take a minute and let that sink in
>>748492549>Path of Exile (1/2)They're completely different games. They should have different names like poe1 and dog of assholes 2
>>748492347That doesn't seem like an apt comparison.
>>748493210Where can i get dog of assholes 1 ?
poop2 was never good and never will be.
>>748494054Name a better Diabloclone.
>>748486545That's not funny
Tencent(GGG) has been inept since they ruined poe1 in 2021. They need to purge troonathan if they ever want to turn the poe franchise around.
poop2 is not an ARPG
>>748494220If you dare to say it's soulslop I'll open a new bussy on your ass.
>>748486053>i miss the time the game was barely functioningi hate this place so much
>>748494664Worked on my machine.
>>748486053>>748486936It was a different time.
>>748494095TQ2
>>748486053Reminder that if you play trade league you did not actually play the game at all
>>748491632>>748491671Yeah, gambling, I just said that.
>>748491679>No shit? Is that not the entire point of the genre?It's not a genre, bad gameplay isn't a genre you fucking idiot.
>>748491281The campaign was never hard, it was novel. And your rose tinted goggles mistake unfamiliarity for difficulty
the skill tree is so bad they have to completely redesign everything on it before 1.0
>>748486053I still like the game, but 0.1 was much better. I remember praise when some streamer collected all whining at the start of 0.2 (or 0.3) and poured it to the devs on live. And they bended. And they zoom-zoom'ed the fucking game
>>748495002No it was a different time. Remember when you couldn't roll through your bad mistakes?
Best part about 1.0
>>748495002They had to nerf everything because poe1 babies cried that white mobs could actually kill you, the entire game is piss easy compared to before and throws 1000x more loot.
>>748491540It is 100%. Poe1 has way more content and build freedom. Poe2 is a bastardized version with better graphics but it has none of its own charm and none of the sandbox build feel of 1. 2 also just straight up apes all of its content from 1 so if you've played the first one there's literally no point in playing the second one because you aren't getting a new experience, just sluggish gameplay
0.1 was fun but not being able to use the same support gem more than once was pretty retarded
>>748495101what exactly did he do wrong here other than move forward at a reasonable pace?
>>748492347Poe1s foundational systems are more complex and allow more build freedom and combinatorics. It is more complex at all times
Reminder that unless you play HCSSF you have NO RIGHT to talk about balance or difficulty.As a strict HCSSF player 0.1 was the most fun in term of balance/difficulty.
>>748495193it's le epic hardcore stuff and you should be punished for walking forward xD
>>748495193>being this disingenuous
>>748491379>1.0 and still not adding all weaponsThe cope from addicted trannies is going to be from another planet. They will suck the devs' dicks like no tomorrow.
>do one map>your inventory is now filled with like 20 different currenciesThis game is more more Chink than ever Chink mobile games
>>748495101That looks exactly like it currently does
>>748495193He uses the jump skill that's supposed to leap his out of danger instead of leaping in one spot. That's hardcore.
>>748495140
>>748486053>I just love dogshit fucking trash games>I just genuinely, wholeheartedly, love when a game is fucking garbage
>>748495291WrongTroonathan specifically made it so you could phase roll magically out of being surrounded because players and ecelebs were crying too much>>748495245SEETHING
>>748495272Sis your stash tabs, sis?
>>748495142The only thing they changed was character width for dodgerolling. There was nothing fundamentally different about the game. I'd argue that change alone allowed the game to be even considered playable beyond 0.1, and no one would have bothered with .2 without it. They increased monster speed and health the next patch, reverted the body block changes, etc. It was 'easy' in your eyes for a single patch cycle before they changed it
>>748495140>>748495306>Hides HP valueWith a shit build it would happen the same way now
>>748495370Seething? I'm enjoying the game more than ever. You're the one seething that it's no longer the mess it used to be.
>>748494220It's way more ARPG than 1 actually
>>748495302>make your game have updated combat mechanics and cool 'new' animations >forget to turn off collision when characters are in the air and dont code a z axis so none of your changes are fucking worth a damnLmao
>>748495410Imagine being so fucking bitchmade you give troonathan even a cent of money
>>748491379>I've been playing this game for 2500 hours and it's fucking miserable.you love the game this i played for 10k hours i dont recommended the game just shows you to be a fucking retard
>>748495140The trialmaster just did that to me yesterday that was a tad more frustrating than this webm where the checkpoint is 1 inch away
>>748495410>stash tabsand a shill morning to you too
>>748495476In what ways
>>748495496>poe2 only playeroh... oh honey... no... we gave chris our money to fund his MTG addiction, not jonathan
>>748495418>shit buildPretty sure he still oneshots most build in the campaign. One time that fucker randomly spawns in an expedition and he immediately does the slam and killed me. >>748495495They do code the Z-axis. You can actually use those leap skills to jump over non-walkable terrains. It just doesn't work sometimes (or most of the time idk).
>>748495226>tfw I played HCSSF on 0.1 as a BLOOD MAGE
>>748495412They nerfed shit like white wolves in ACT1 because poe1 babies complained that they could get killed by them.Like why are you arguing when there's patch notes to read?https://www.poe-vault.com/poe2/news/poe2-patch-0-2-0e-monster-nerfs-boss-fixes-crafting-upgrades
>>748495496LMAO gggoys actually have to pick up every shit splinter chump change.t. hero Siege chad laughing at you
>>748495410Why the FUCK are you encouraging shitty mtx practices?Go mill yourself right now
>>748495496
>>748495616I only every play blood mage, 0.1 hexblast blood mage was fun. Then they fucking ruined the fucking skill and now not a single person uses it.
>>748495410>the only way to play this free game is by buying these mandatory optional microtransactionsMiss me with this gay shit.
>>748495496so this is why you fags bitch and moan on poeg
I stopped playing for a few months and now that I've started again I can't remember what the fuck I was doing with Titan. I think I might have dementia
>>748495410Maybe they should design the game better and not have you pick up 100 different shit currencies just to force you to keep buying stash tabs?Where's the fun having to run back and empty your inventory after every single map? It's just making the game more shit to encourage you to buy stuff.
>>748495549Rolling is an action and an action role playing game needs real time actions to be action and if a game has more actions than the other game it's etc
>>748495272>mapsYou already beat the acts without paying anything, isn't that enough?
>>748495831Shill
>game has maybe the best monetisation out of f2p games out there>/v/ turd worlders are still seethingkek
>>748495831There's a reason nearly all players stop playing once they reach map, because of chink design like that.
https://rentry.org/5wduxsou
>circles that spawn on the ground and explode after a monster dies>curses that spawn on the ground where you're walking>ignited/chilled/shocked ground spawning in maps>shit that follows you across the entire map and then explodes>monsters that become invincible>bosses that become invincible while you have to dodge shit on the ground>bosses that become invincible while you have to wait for a cinematic to play>ignite/bleed being barely visible on your character while you burn/bleed to death in seconds>every single league mechanic being a variation of "spawn monsters on top of player">decorations on ground blocking player movement and not being destructible PoE 2 can't even think about being good until at least all of these things are removed
>>748495810>Pick up all the pebbles from the ground >Realise that everything is worth shitBravo Jonatroon, perfect game design.
>>748495895uhh to play poe2 now you must have had 300 goycoins to spend on the stashes...
>>748495760>TitanYou don't need to remember anything and the game will just play itself without you ever being able to die
>>748495496Why are the stash numbers on the top instead of the left? Is this even the same game or did someone generate aislop to try to slander the game?
>>748495918>every single league mechanic being a variation of "spawn monsters on top of player"And then they want to design every skill requiring 2-3 button presses and setup to do anything while the game spawns 20 mobs on top of you that sprints towards you.The enemy design and combat design is in conflict with each other.There's a reason why 90% of the players use the same 1-2 builds/skills and ignore everything else. The entire game is just a mess.
>>748495617All reverted like i said
>>748495825Poe2 has less actions than poe1 that the thing. In poe1 you are constantly pressing a moment skill, position against mob packs and blowing them up before using movement skills etc to the next one. Dodge roll and movement in poe2 is slow and boring and the ttk ans time between packs is much longer. It has objectively less action than 1. Dodge roll is a worse shield charge or leap slam or frostblink
>>748495918That garbage was in 1 too
>>748496143No it isn't, show me the patch notes when they reverted this.
>>748496007>The enemy design and combat design is in conflict with each other. There's a reason why 90% of the players use the same 1-2 builds/skills and ignore everything else.I am pretty sure that's their intention. You have interesting mechanics like twister's cyclones can absorb elements from the elemental zones which you can create from other skills which require charges so that's another thing you must figure out. This works well in the campaign but in endgame where there are 1000 enemies rushing you, they just want to streamline all of that.I think in the duelist stream they also said something to that effect. Switching between duelist's stances will require actual effort while in endgame they will just 'give you more options'
>>748495909/poeg/ would have a field day with this
>>748496332Try playing the game
The fact that you need to pay 30 quid for this AND have even more MTX on top is why I'll never touch this shit game and continuously deride those of you that do enable it.Imagine fucking paying fucking money. You're all fucking blasted idiots.
>>748486053POE 1 and 2 always have and always will be dogshit. The only idiots who defend them are those who never played an ARPG before.
>>748496403>combos work well in the campaignNo they dont. People use basic attack or a single skill in campaign. You can't reliably use a skill that requires charges
items are too powerful, skill tree too weakyou can make a 2000 dps quarterstaff and take nothing but jewel sockets on the passive tree to put in rare 5 stat jewels and a rare adorned and do 100 billion dps. of course that's extreme deep endgame but even with zero budget builds you're doing 10s of millions of dps with nothing in the game that can stand up to it
>>748495496I kneel.
>>748496475It probably came from there to begin with.
>>748486053>0.1
>>7484860530.1 was slow and shitty. It's still kinda slow and shitty right now but they are making it better. At least now it plays more like an actual arpg rather then slow roll slop.
>>748495410(((stash tabs)))
>>748495496This shit is jewish as fuck.
>>748496227Pressing one-button to clear the entire screen while you run as fast as sonic is not "action". It's chink slop.
You're supposed to play a good ARPG instead like The Slormancer.
>>748496583Not every setup needs charges. The bow's skillset involves around setting up combos like that too and most of them don't need charges. Early spear players have to rely on parrying + disengage to generate charges which sucks but at least it can work in boss fights.
This game has a big problem where you cant tell if a monster is going to be dangerous just by looking at it, because of how randomized their mods are. In D2 if you see a gloam or an undead fetish you think "oh fuck" because they got you before and you learned theyre dangerous. But in poe 2 you often just run along and instantly die randomly to something you had no idea was there or dangerous. It's extremely frustrating and you cant learn or adapt to it, its just like a mandated waste of time
>>748496542I showed you proof that they made the game easier and more casual for poe1 babies and people like >>748496720And if you're unable to show some actual proof the reverted the changes, you are just full of bullshit
>>748496913retard
>>748496961>In D2 if you see a gloam or an undead fetish you think "oh fuck"If i see them i just teleport past them at the speed of light.
>>748497029Unless you have your fcr breakpoints good luck with that and enjoying being dead once you tp into a pack of them
1.0 will flop btw
>>748497029>teleport next to a fetish pack>merc gets out a single attack because you were unlucky>fetish explodes and takes you with himinb4 give the merc an insight in a normal base... thats retarded.
>>748497114it might last a week or two before everyone goes back to wow forever
>>748491379>2500hours is less than 2 years>nothing but complaintsYou do know you're a complete and utter slave right?
>>748497070>Unless you have your fcr breakpointsWhich is really easy to do with two spirit runewords and the buffed Manald Heal with 10% fcr on it now.
>>748497114Unfortunately it won't. Cattle gonna cattle>MUH SWORDS
>>748497151>inb4 give the merc an insight in a normal baseThat exactly what I do. The merc isn't there to kill hes just my mana battery. Give him the weakest, shittiest polearm for his insight.
>>748497114BUT THE VISION
>>748486053I miss when it was still being designed as an alternate campaign to PoE1.
>>748497257this is lame and retarded and NOT a solution. I am well aware of it and I use it but its a work around at best.
>>748486053some faggot moderator banned me forever for naming my character "Levicitus_2013"
>>748495496What the fuck how do you people play this slop?
>>748497308This looks shopped
>>748496961Most of the time that 'something' is just a pool of blood or some gay homing balls hidden behind dozen of dead bodies.
>>748494961>It's not a genre, bad gameplay isn't a genre you fucking idiotIsn't the whole point of the game killing mobs to get better gear, then rinse and repeat? And gear drops have low rates so you have to do it over and over again? Sounds like gachaslop gameplay.
>>748491908calling it a new league is giving them too much credit
>>748497435>>748497413Its worse. The point of the game is MTX not even ARPG.
>>748486053This Ritual event was much slower to complete even if you skipped the rituals. Goes to show the only reason the rune league was fast was because the League mechanic was extremely rewarding.
I wish ARPGs could evolve beyond just ending up as screen clearing light shows and 99% of "bosses" melting in 0.5 seconds.I also wish I was smart enough to figure out how they could do that.
>>748497708Any game where you can grind and overlevel the content turns into you turning bosses into pinatas.
>>748497767>Any game where you can grind and overlevel the content turns into you turning bosses into pinatas.Yup and thats why the devs fall back on everything scaling to your level/power but no one likes that shit.
>>748497708people say that but its never fun being slow NEVER no matter what game. mobility is always the number one thing players go for if its available.
The worst part is that I liked the intention behind the slower combat.It was just destined to never be true because the first iteration of the game we got in 0.1, the game wasn't "harder."Enemies were not tuned for slow and methodical combat, they just swarmed you like PoE1, with the only difference being we had very few tools (at low-level) to deal with them.Now, we have a fair few leveling tricks to make it not miserable.>BaselineThese are all early Act 1 viable options before Support Gems, more things slowly and steadily become available (often overshadowing or augmenting these setups)Rolling Slam has a not-miserable attack time now.Bear>WyvernFrozen Locus + Glacial Cascade (Quarterstaff has always been a step above other Melee weapons)ED+C + Bonestorm (miles better than any other Caster setup early on, Bonestorm is only late Act 1, but the point stands)Grenade spamAny Bow skill, although people gravitate towards Snipe/Lightning Arrow
>>748497331It's f2p so they need to monetize the somehow. The good thing is that it's a one time buy and works across all characters and all leagues and is like $5. The bad thing is that they divide it into multiple stash types so you need to buy more than one. They really should've just stuck with just monetizing skins.
>>748497708I miss good ARPGs like Champions of Norrath and Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance
>>748497867Good goy! Keep buying those tabs!
>>748495950It looks like I'd had him set up as a Smith and switched then immediately quit or something. All my gears and skills are fucked
>>748497867>They really should've just stuck with just monetizing skins.last epoch is in the red because they do this, ggg needs to make money from every avenue as possible to make profit im fine with league mechanic stash tabs alongside skin mtx
>>748497867>he unironically bought stash tabsoink oink oink
>>748497903brother
>>748497903Maybe check out some hentai games
>>748498027this looks like kino ngl
>>748498003nta i bought every stash tab in the game i played for 1000s of hours, if you dont want to pay 30-60 bucks for some tabs to support a game you enjoy then thats on you suffer with 4 tabs lmao
>>748490546ugly girl, formerly dude
>>748497903>BGDA>good
>>748498104good goycattleor least obvious GGG shill
>Poop of Excrement II
>>748498003Still better than buying D4 on sale.
>>748498204d4 is kinda fun for a couple days now, unlike poop the second
>>748498151so you dont buy games? or buy dlc? what exactly is your point here? look at me i dont pay for games? its not exactly a bragging right everyone fucking does that
>>748498163this nigger thought he got to play with poop for free haha
>>748498163>he buyded
>>748491679>Is that not the entire point of the genre?Action-RPG genre? Yes, that's the point - find better items, finish your build but >finding better items.but you don't find better items in PoE, that's the problemyou collect money, you either gamble with them or straight purchase items you need from ppl you gambleAll in all PoE have as much to do with ARPG genre as match-3 have with strategies.
>>748498143shit taste zoomer detected
no tota for ascendancy points, no play>muh sekhma balls>muh chaos trialsnope. give me tota or fuck off
>>748498249GGG not sending their best tonight are they?
>>748488645that's a man
>>748498416I will never have that
>>748498416i wonder how much asmongold is paying for one of these flavour of ewhore per hour
>>748497867goy...
>>748498375Sorry but by the time I played it I was used to a superior game (Diablo 2)
>>748498484What? The Photoshop skills?
>>748497903The games you mentioned were made for retards who play on console. If you genuinely liked them you would probably like Diablo 2 and PoE if you got familiar with them.
>>748498486that girl is an idol from a dead group so she'd be considerably cheaper than kaise
>>748498357that's why i only play standard, so that i can collect items over an unreasonably long time, and if GGG decides to suddenly force a meta on an old item i will still have it ready to go, not having to deal with it suddenly going from a common item to a 1 in a bazillion item. too bad we can't actually do this until 1.0 since that bastard is going to effectively wipe everything previous on full release
>>748486545>>748494146I believe him. I, masochistically, feel the same way.peak PoE1 was 10x the game PoE2 and its tencent and jonathan 'vision' garbage it is now.Chris would have never allowed the game to release without fucking swords either in his maximum autism.And I fucking HATED Chris Wilson as lead dev and his smug mocking aura. Dude hated player fun and power, and his team is responsible for the nonsense K shaped 'only the top .001% can have 'real' fun or player power or else our precious standard micro-economy will be ruined!'-aka, MTG reserved list cancer ideology, that bleeds through the game and company's core design philosophies to this day.A game company so afraid that players will find heaven forbid bust open a build or enable an off-meta ability, and enjoy their loot casino at a rate above what their capitalist masters have determined.But still, in-spite of all that, and all the other asinine, anti-player choices, designs and blunders PoE1 stumbled through, and in large part thanks to that original teams legitimate talent, development prowess and creative gameplay design, the game from 2013-2019 was a fucking ride, with some insane highs and some of the most ridiculously fun ARPG gameplay post Diablo 2 we'll ever haveSo to me, when someone 'misses' chris, they miss the era of the game he somehow tripped over himself into creating, despite his own shitty directorial input making the game actively worse at every corner, leadding us to the hellscape we're in today, he was ultimately at the helm of a team of truly talented kiwis who gave us a near decade of amazing and fun community arpg content, and I'll cherish those memories.
>>748498691no one cares about standard. its practically cheating
>>748498249He's just here to seethe. Probably a assblasted blizztranny.
>>748498313>>748498317say what? are you some kind of poors or something? i spent like 10k on poe1 over the 14 years i've been playing
>>748498741Diablo hasn't been good since 2. Fuck nublizz. The only ass blasted one here is you
>>748498851There is no need to be upset. Go find a game that you like and enjoy your life.
>>748498003If i remember correctly, the current version of the game required a key you have to pay for, but they "refunded" the money in the form of goycoins you can spend on stash tabs, so anybody who didnt spend their goycoins in mtx and can play the game right now can just get tabs without payimg more. It will be free when 1.0 is releases, but no free tabs
>>748494863Have a pitty (you).
>grim yawn
i have a lot of problems with poo2 but it's still way better than anything else recent. last epoch is a huge piece of shit, i finally played grim dawn for 200hrs with the new expansion and it's just extremely shallow, diablo 4 there's really nothing to say about that hasn't been said. nobody understands how to make this genre anymore
>>748496953Bow only uses a combo for bosses. Its set and forget not a real combo. No one uses parry or disengage with spears early you are coping.
>>748499241>>74849929220 years old engine, please understand. 2 will be better, I swear.
>>748499292Nah you're being a faggot on purposeLE is good, GD is good, PoE1 is good, PoE2 is mehh
>>748499292But what about TQ2?
>please saaaars don't talk bad about my game saaaaars poo2 will rule the world (of ARPGs)
>>748499292wasn't there some warhammer one, the devs of van helsing made it
>>748499682LE seems appealing on paper. Nice deterministic crafting system, customizable skill tree. But then you play the game and it's an unfun chore, you don't want to engage with its systems.
>>748491147what's funnier is that shills think these threads matter when the site itself is basically dead
>>748499682admittedly i haven't played last epoch since april of last year so maybe it's better now idk. i just remember playing a void knight guy and hitting enemies for millions of damage then i fight a boss and it has 90% damage reduction arbitrarily and the boss fights were poorly designed as well
>>748499864Don't say 'you' when you mean 'me'I did want to engage with its systems because it's fun
>>748499732when is the last time poe1 broke 400k?oh that's right, never.
>>748499732LOL
>>748500097it's not the numbers. it's the direction of the trendline that should be worrying you.
/vg/chads are laughing at us again
>>748499914this
do you guys also have a tubposter?
>>748499828You mean Inquisitor Martyr? Its pretty kino and an ARPG set in sci fi space is at least unique and different from forest/desert/jungle/ruins
>>748499682Seems weird because PoE2 is PoE1 with slightly different graphic. It's exact the same zoom-zoom screen wide clear for div/hour game. Initial vision for PoE2 was different (apparently) but it was changed to be yet another PoE1
>>748499732How come everyone stops playing this game after a week or two when the entire game is designed to be played forever?
>>748500417the game works way too hard to spite the players
>>748500417Gee... Its almost as if shills
>>748500417The real answer is because by that time the general players start finishing campaign and getting into maps which then introduces 50000 new currency types and it starts looking like>>748495496so they give up and stop playing altogether.Or basically what>>748500465said
>>748486053I got it gifted but I'm really confused. Am I really suppose to make a new character every "season"? I dont get the point or the idea behind it. Having to play shitty random generated maps each few months seems to get annoying fast
>>748488645>could instantly tell it was a trannyI'm getting good at this
>>748500417I played every single league since 2012. Isnt this 'forever'?
>>748500402Gameplay and controls doesn't feel like some obscure eurojank from 2003, coming back to 1 is a pain in the ass.>>748500613Just play one character or two blind and then decide if you want to dig in this shithole.
>>748500302the average rate if change that he is exploiting to fuck your feeble mind is a misrepresentation if you take an extra second to notice the 4 other peaks in the middle.and if you're at least average intelligence, you might have the capacity to ask yourself why t_0 is so high and t_n is so low.
>>748500417What Chris meant was that it was a game you’d come back to every new league forever. He wanted players to quit playing a league after a few weeks.
>>748500672Seek help
poo2 sucks and tubful rodgers will never make a good game again
>>748500827sorry, try again i have no idea what the fuck this gibberish is supposed to convey
>>748500880there is nothing else. there are literally no other games worth playing. I would if there were any.
>>748500827it's so low because the game is dogshit and they can't or won't fix it, so less and less people come back.1.0 will fail and there's nothing tubful cloggers can do about it.
>>748500910
this game feels like such fuckin shit to play and only the seanigger gooks and the streamer cucks are shilling itthe downfall will be glorious, screenshot this post. poes soul left with chris wilson.
>>748500915>i have no idea what the fuck this gibberish isbecause you cannot comprehend math a 15 year old can do. >sorry, try again i don't think i should bother.
>>748486053i love meaningful combat™
>>748500851yeah looking at >>748499732less and less people are coming back. it ain't looking good, chief.
Everyone claiming poe2 is shit but fail to name one good Diablolike that isn't Diablo 2.
>>748501025re-read what you wrote again, it don't make no sense. also, less people coming back league after league isn't a good thing>>748501081Path of Exile (non-two)
>>748501039This is what vision looks like
>>748501039the crazy part is in poe 1 you'd have to specifically try to use weird mechanics to make something like this. in poe 2 it's just every build and they see no issue with it
>>748500910Gotim
>>748501127>it don't make no sense.look these things up>average rate of change>subscripts in math (e.g., x0, x1, x2, ... xn)>exploit meaningmaybe check out khanacademy then re-read what I wrote again.
>>748501039endgame doesnt count
>>748501246>every buildNot really, no.Even Spark isn't anywhere near this bad.Then there's far simpler stuff like Rampage Bear, Disciple of Varashta (only a problem in Deli if using the Navira's Fracturing variant), and any other Mace build, all of which have little to no visual clutter.
Just git gud?
>>748500417>enjoy new league mechanic>reach lvl 95>max build>finish challengesthats what most do >make multiple new builds>go to lvl 100s>mirror tier buildsthats the die hards that play non stop do
>>748501420Shame they deleted Perfect Strike and locked even starting it behind an endgame boss drop.
>>748501378did they seriously just simply ripoff monster hunter lol
>>748501072Why should anyone who actually plays either game seriously care about player numbers? I was there for the flop leagues in PoE1 and the market for trading was not an issue whatsoever
>>748501482monster hunter ripped off elden ring if you mean copy and that copied a anime
>>748499682LE has that stinky unity feeling, just such an ugly fucking game in motion. can't stomach it for more than a minute
>>748501550>monster hunter ripped off elden ring>game that started in the 00s ripped off 2020s??????
>>748501380spark totems looked just as fucked as that when i played them, same with the grim pillar thing. molten blast or whatever the projectile mace skill is looks like that, every grenade build looks like that, twisters look like that
>>748501520>market>trading>not SSFYou didn't beat the game.
>>748500417I get into maps and remember I hate the game
how is it 2 years later and there are still no real strike melee skills besides mace strike autoattack and quarterstaff strike autoattack
>>748501072>less and less people are coming back. it ain't looking good, chief.do you know why people aren't coming back this league? would love to hear your guesses.
>>748501592yes lil gup know the timeline
>>748501678and there'll be even less once swords come out.
>>748501420He unironically would have did more damage and killed him faster if he just auto attackedt. used 2H maces in 0.1 - 0.3
>>748501338anon, not the content of what you're saying makes no sense, but the words themself don't make sense.
>>748501420Do you mean git worse?
>>748501678i don't know how much of an insane purist you'd have to be to think ice strike and tempest flurry aren't real melee/strike skills.
>>748501378
>>748501872anon, you are an idiot. stop smoking weed.
>>748501338>khanacademy>saar please check out my website you will becomings the smartest person in whole wide village
>>748501957The ARPG equivalent of that ADHD doom 2016 video clip
>>748501592Monster Hunter ripped that off Fate/Stay Night actually.
>>748501520these things are a self-enforcing loop, once a game starts spiraling the drain they will inevitably get shut down. i don't want my game to get shut down.
>>748501981How stupid do you have to be to not realize that he's calling you brown not the other way around?
>>748501970what does this curve have to do with player numbers?
>>748501754>>748501072he isn't responding. i was hoping he'd say something, because anything but the truth would be absolutely retarded.the new patch 0.5.5 has virtually no content in it. it's not like they dropped a bunch of new stuff that everyone hates. The reason people aren't playing is because the new league is barely even a leauge. they delayed actual changes to dec 11.
>>748502129look at the graph you posted at the start of this conversation. you might be able to figure it out.i'm going to be
>>748502220the graph you posted has a mathematical function it abides bythe graph i posted abides by players no treturning to a game that flopped, there's no math behind it
>>748502220cont. i'm going to bed soon.*
>>748501608Funny how I didn't mention Spark TOTEMS, Grim Pillars, Grenades, OR Twisters.You did at least get me on Molten Blast, but it's not anywhere near as bad as Earthshatter.
>>748502262>going to bed at 7:20 amSure. I accept your concession.
Face it, the more patches PoE2 received, the worse it got. At this time, Diablo 4 is a superior game.
>>748502358Huh? But it's 16:22.
>>748502358it's not 7:20 am everywhere in the world right now, chud
>>748502403Fuck off nublizz apologist
>>748502261the red line you drew is the average rate of change where the first point is the highest their player count has ever been on release, and the second point is the most recent league, which barely anyone logged into because it's barely a league, as explained here >>748502161you are exploiting this average rate of change to imply the game has a downward trend and demonstrating to be a failure, but if we omit these outliers, we get the blue line, that shows pretty consistent/stable numbers each league.you're either stupid or dishonest. good night.
>>748502403both games are shit no worth playingkill yourself shill
>>748502626oh yeah I forgot the picture.good night for real this time.
>>748502626anon, you might be retarded, but there's also 1 league which is far below it, and the next 2 leagues are almost touching it from the bottom. the line fits very well, with only 1 anomaly above the trend.it is not looking good, and no amouth of math wizardry is gonna fix that.
>>748501957gameplay couldn't look more boring if they tried
>>748502686>draw random line that doesn't touch shityeah looks good, i lost
>>748501039looks more fun than the other shitty webms posted here
>>748502817zoom zoom
>>748502942>going fast in a power fantasy game is LE BADretard
>>748502989Power fantasy worths nothing if you don't have to struggle for it.
>>748503130have you played the poo2 campaign? everyone struggles through that shit
>>748497185Yes, that's why I'm warning you
>>748503148have you actually played poe1, or do you just copy other people's builds and cry when the meta gets turned upside down?
>>748503320oh you're one of those lmao
>>748503320>i made up rules for myself and get mad when nobody else plays by my made up rules
>>748503148Not anymore. It's piss easy on current patch.
>>748503342>oh you're one of those lmaooh so you're type of player who loses his mind for 2 weeks when there are significant changes to poe1? i'm just asking
>>748503431it sucks, 0.5.5 is absolute dogshit in the campaignyou're constantly 4-5 levels behind and struggling to do anything (but shit still dies fast)
>>748503457no, i am not retarded i can read patchnotes and adjust accordingly
>>748503431true
>>748503401i think the people who are mad are the ones complaining about poe2's mere existence. i just play poe2.
I actually like PoE2 I just wish it wasn't so microtransaction dependent
>>748503475>you're constantly 4-5 levels behindHow? Are you skipping optional permanent buffs and extra skill points?
>>748503525> poo2 campaign? everyone struggles through that shitare you sure you aren't one of the people who didn't like 0.1 to 0.3 because no one knew what they were doing?because that's what it sounds likehow do you struggle through the campaign? it isn't hard, and it's been beaten in under 4 hours on every class.
>>748503778no, i even kill every rare and blue pack i come across. this really starts becoming a problem in act 3 and 4, i skip all optional side stuff that gives no buffs and don't full-clear zones, and i don't do league mechanics.
>>748503848people knew what they were doing about 4-5 days in in 0.1, poop2 is not complicated - some shit is just hopelessly under or overtuned
>>748503916ok, then what do you mean when you say 'struggle through' the campaign?
>>748503971because maps are too big, it's badly balanced in terms of level progression, item upgrades are next to nonexistant on your first playthrough etc etc
>>748503916more like within 20 minutes for everyone who went ranger, kek. muh LA+LR
>>748504010what's the last patch you played?
Could we just go back to a time when stun was a viable defense? Why not just remove hammers from the game?
>>748504021>muh LA+LRIt's crazy how they just literally never addressed this
>>748503431>It's piss easyComing from PoE players, this means absolutely nothing.I have seen what your "piss easy" meant before, it meant following the latest meta build to the absolute letter and not opening your mouth about the quality of the game.I had people screaming at me that Viper wasn't an absolutely dogshit fight, have they nerfed her into the ground yet?If your game cannot be beaten by the average joe without a guide, then your game s not "piss easy"
>>748504354stun was NEVER a viable defense. what the fuck are you talking about lil gup. freezes yes but not stun.
>>7485041120.5.5, it's especially egregious in this patch because there's no league mechanic tho boost your levels
>>748504435You're supposed to do the rituals and get a free leveling unique
Some guide was telling me to make Bonestorm my primary skill for Sorceress, with zenith and burgeon, but its so ass and slows me down to just get mauled by bosses and mobs. Essence drain and contagion do more damage so I'm just gonna keep using it until ascendancy
>>748504435>there's no league mechanic tho boost your levelThere literally is.
>>748504368It's piss easy without going meta.>>748504427>stunt>defenseYou are using it wrong.
>>748504354>player manages to kill a boss in 1-10 seconds with good investment>yep, that's OK>player manages to have 80% stun uptime and kill a boss in 10-30 seconds with good investment>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU'RE TRIVIALIZING THE GAME, DELETED!!!!!!!!!!i don't get why devs get so devastated by the concept of being able to control bosses. this applies to basically every RPG ever, devs absolutely despise the concept of crowd control and whenever it is even slightly decent (but not nearly as good as other strats) it gets dumpstered
>>748486053I'm mostly just pissed off about them promising balance changes for the better part of a year and not delivering.
>>748504471bonestorm is a meme skill. slows you down to hell and only works with massive crit that you only get as a blood mage but then if you're a blood mage it costs life to cast but it's channeling you basically almost kill yourself everytime for 5 seconds to slowly build up and shoot a target provided you're not dead by then
>>748504427>>748504526newfags>>748504528That's the thing. Stun builds weren't efficient, even when they were viable.
>>748504471Put multishoot in it, it makes it so your charge it like 5 times faster.I have no idea why no guide mentions this.
>>748504792wtf how does that work?
>>748504528if you're chronomancer you can freeze -> freeze time -> stuni think you can stun and freeze back to back if you line things up and time it right too, but i'm not sure. i haven't played in a while. my guess is they want you to have to solve this kind of thing in order to do it. would be cringe if they didn't let you do this.
>>748501378I like how this is cropped because in the full version you can see the animation on the slash attack ends weirdly
>>748504526>It's piss easyGive me a real answer instead of just screaming the same words at me, or else you lose the argument and admit PoE2 is insanely hard.
>>748504818
people seriously defending the map size of poop2 maps?
>>748504936honestly, viper will likely rape a lot of players repeatedly. tornado bird is a real raper too.
>>748504818I suppose it makes you generate additional projectiles on each instance where you'd normally generate one projectile.
>>748504936Have you tried to read the thread? You don't need a guide. It gives you more than enough currencies to craft busted gear. Skills are streamlined now and you can just use the suggested gems to figure put a good route on skill tree to maximize damage. Skill combos are a nice buff but not mandatory (but you should use them, that's half of the fun). Bosses don't oneshot you anymore and you can defeat them quite fast.I'm not even a PoE veteran and don't trade, yet I manage to go blind. It's not a hard game by any means (on current patch)
>>748505109Alright thank you, you've confirmed PoE2 has not changed at all since beta and is still insanely hard.
>>748505393and those fking fire and ice clay statues.>has not changedi'm actually not sure about that. i think they were doing some fuckery with some of the bosses at one point, but i assume they haven't changed too much.
the campaign is absolute liquid shit, way too long, way too large maps, way too much forced yapping and going back and forth to npcs just to talk to them, and way too much forced RP walking
>>748505342>Have you tried to read the thread? You don't need a guide.Instead of making theories like you do, I actually played the game, I know you are wrong from experience and this anon >>748505109 confirmed for me nothing has changed.
>>748505845The game is in an easier state than 0.1 for sure, to a dissatisfying degree for veterans, but it's still absolutely a hard game without several hundred hours of experience.
>The campaign is fine
>>748506049>Everyone stops playing once they reach maps because maps is shit and doing the exact same map over and over again is boring>retards still advocate for campaign skip
>>748486053>>>/wsg/6241315
>>748506139>he didn't read the post
>>748506049>What do you mean I have to play the game again??
>>748506169I read it>campaign is boring because you do the same maps again!>but maps are better because running the exact same maps over and over and over again is so much better!
>>748506163yeah cosmetics in these games are absurdly expensive, it's absolutely insane that people buy this shit
>>748506231>>748506225Campaign is boring because nothing you do there actually matters, you can't drop anything good you can't craft anything good, you can't even play the build you wanna play in most cases because it's locked by levels.What adds insult to injury int he campaign is the extremely cringe yapping, rp-walking and needing to go back and forth to talk to NPCs at certain points of the game, which feels extremely bad.
>>74850631260 bucks is.. 3-4 pizzas is that a lot for you?
>>748506312I don't even get the appeal of cosmetic MTX.
>>7485063933-4 pizzas for a cosmetic is fucking insane, yes
>>748506312I don't get the cosmetics in this game, they all look AWFUL like beyond bland and boring.Imagine if they actually released stuff like gender bend skins for the classes or sexy outfits. Gender bend skins alone would sell more than all other cosmetics combined.
>>748506430You buy 60 bucks but get those 60 bucks in points to buy all the tabs you'd ever need + you get the the "free" cosmetics with thatthe 600 points that come in that bundle are the same amount of points you'd get if you buy the naked 200 points pack 3 times.
>>748506430.. they're giving you 600 points to get stash tabs it's not just the cosmetics
>>748506393you're a retarded goy cattle if this is your mindset>>748506487yeah I don't get it either
>>748506487Well, you can design only so much cosmetics before you start running out of ideas
>>748506312>>748506487Oh and the effect cosmetics are also way overpriced. I was looking at the sanguine effects that converts bone spells to blood looking stuff as I always play physical spell blood mage.And the bundle was like 60 bucks... 60 bucks for some spell effect changes.
>>748486053>people still play this garbagejust roll away to a good game. try Diablo 2
>>748506875>Diablo 2It's the same except less content.
>>748506941how dare you compare this shit to D2.
>>748506941lol, just lmao >>748492549
>>748507013>>748507023How's the sanctuary runs? Or are you opening chest in LK?
>>748506941D2 is like PoE first act: you have jack shit, you do jack shit and it's all gonna be jack shit
>>748507072or pit runs or pindle runs or tomb runs. stay mad.
>>748507494And terrorized zones too.See? It's the same!
>>748506941diablo 2 has enough content when you get into mods. every new mod, you have to refigure out the best builds, best gear, best farming strats, etc. it's funny when a skill that is usually useless becomes extremely OP because everything else is so watered down, or where some small, seemingly insignificant change ends up being way more important than the modder knew and enables unexpected builds
>>748502403This is true but it doesn’t mean Diablo 4 is good either
>play on EA release>quit>Come back for 0.5 (1.5 years later) >everything is basically the same in terms of experienceWhat did GGG even do?
>>748508890Added more of the same content you had already been doing
>>748501039if your arpg doesn't look like this in endgame it's dogshit and i'm tired of pretending otherwise
>>748509347hot take but I actually wish poe1 would massively reduce the amount of drops, but make each drop have better odds of being actually usefuldropped rares should have smart rolling to get better mods so there's a reason to even pick them up, and basic currency should drop at ~1/5th the current rate but all of the mod pools condensed to keep things roughly the same, the main difference being you don't spend 6 hours in hideout altspamming to get a good item
>>748510362Just use a filter :^)
>>748510362that screenshot is poo2, not poe1poo2 had a chance to make drops better and less plentiful, and they fucked it up there too. it simply does not work.if YOU get more good item drops some sweaty third worlder that doesn't sleep is getting 10x the amount of good drops.
>>748510440it's not about using a filter (I typically default to uber strict once I get to t16s, eventually going to uberstrict+ with further customization)it's about the value of each individual piece of currency being so worthless, which also makes it so nothing is worth picking up unless it's a div+ in value, if you're a tradie then you just buy the lower currency from bots, if you're ssf you just suffer because you have to pick up 10k+ alts before you can start crafting>>748510537i'm aware, and the screenshot is more about the visual rape, but since the next league is going to be poe1's 3.30 I just felt like bringing it uppoe2 managed to eclipse poe1's currency inflation instantly, every time i look at their economy it's 6 million divines to buy anything worthwhile
>>748510362>hot take but I actually wish poe1 would massively reduce the amount of drops, but make each drop have better odds of being actually usefulthey said this in the 3.29 interview they could bring over tiered rares from poe2. Like how they experimented with 'well-rolled' talismans many leagues ago where less stuff dropped but it was better rolledIt turned out to be retardedly overpowered and quickly removed.
>>748511952They should still try to stick the landing instead of fucking it up and then dropping it forever99% of the playerbase completely ignores dropped rares once they get to maps, the only things that matter are bases (including ilvl, quality, influence, etc)it's fair that some pieces you'll have to craft yourself, especially if you need influenced bases or drop-specific mods like delve/temple modifiersbut ground loot rares are so utterly worthless to ID that even if several mirror-tier ones will drop amongst the millions of corpses you make, it's unfeasible to go through and ID each and every onemeanwhile league mechanics shit out broken items like it's candy, breach tree gave bases with 4-6 t1 rolls before getting nerfed, mappers and shipments still do frequently, you often get fractured bases on those too, seems like everything except ground loot gets preferential treatment
>>748505742Hope you enjoy 2 more fuckhueg acts in 1.0 :)
>>748512571They sure will overhaul the campaign, right? Like, you'll be level 70 by the end of it without spending more time than in its current status.
>>748512683yeah, as in remove the best part of the campaign (interludes), only to squeeze 2 more turds out in their spot>>748512571i play poe1 only, poo2 can suck my fat swollen cock
Of course it happens when a weapon I can use drops
>>748513638I don't know if it's that I'm used to KB+M but I swear this game is harder on a controller.
>>748486053I don't think they are gonna add ruthless to PoE2. It causes too much seething/is used as a boogeyman by people who don't play it in PoE1.
>>748509347I prefer my ARPGs like this and it's a shame the public perception of the genre has been ruined by nu-Diablo fans, which is what you are
>>748514057ruthless was the blueprint for poo2, and that got rejected hard in 0.1 and 0.2
>>748501420>takes more than 5 seconds to kill a bossjust git gud eheheheh so funny game number go up me press button
>>748514065and is there a reason why you think stardew valley is a good crossover for a dark fantasy arpg?
>>748514542any reason why you thought cookieclicker was a good basis for a dark fantasy arpg?
>>748514728>no u deflectioni accept your concession
>>748514065You posted a game that has the progression system of a gacha game but without being able to roll on anything.
>>748514756nu-Diablo fans in charge of understanding what 'No U' is
>>748514823Explain why randomly rolled stats are good in your ARPG but bad in other people's ARPGs
the answer you're searching for is "because I just buy all my gear from Indians" btw
>>748514728It's been like that since D2, the whole genre has always been like that.Stop trying to reinvent the wheel and make your own genre.
>>748515296>the whole genre has always been like thatcircular jeetophistry, you personally define the genre as X and then say all of the examples of X are X. What "whole genre"? Name 10 games that are not Jackie Chan
>>748515195What kind of subhuman buys gear.
>>748506540>>748506513>defending stash tabsPredatory practices should never be allowed
>>748512683Funny that's how it is in PoE1
>>748515681take your meds.Diablo 2 invented ARPGs, and that game has been a grind fiesta. It's why people play these games.>>748515748PoE has the least predatory monetization system of any game i have ever seen. You pay once and pay the price of a full price game, and get to play forever. Other games remove the tabs after each season or pull some other niggery.
>>748515748>Defending how a game makes moneyNo? We just explained that with those packs you don't buy the mtx, you buy the points and get the mtx "for free"
>>748515748PoE players are extremely mindbroken on this one, you'll never get through to them.
>>748515828But the difference is Diablo 2 was good.
>>748486053They somehow managed to fuck up PoE2 into the same crap PoE1 turned into, even before its release
>>748515828You can't name that "rest of the genre" then. Of course you can't because when you say ARPG you mean nu-Diablo-like, but would be embarrassed to admit that's all you meancaptcha is fucked
>>748515969Huh? Name one free game with less predatory monetization, i'll wait.
>>748516661PoE1, PoE2, all games in the diablo series, Last Epoch, Grim Dawn, Van Helsing, all the torchlight games, mero siege, Warhammer 40k Inquisitor, titan quest 1&2, victor vranWhat the fuck are you trying to say? Are you really trying to mix together ARPGs (diablo-likes) and Action-RPGs, like the souls games?
I haven't played in a while, has this improved at all? Is it any less tedious? Do you still have to slog through the campagin every character?
>>748516829Yeah, slog through campaign only to reach an endgame where your entire screen flashes with the occasional tink sound and irrelevant ground loot. Its basically just PoE1 at this point.
>>748516684Diablo 4-Oh.
Just did Chaos trial for the first time and there was some bird boss that seemed easy until I suddenly dropped dead and I have no idea what that even was. Stupid shit game.
>>748516898So there's still no campaign skip for extra characters? You still really need to slog through that shit over and over and over?
>>748516764You're posting games which don't look like this: >>748509347 So you're already contradicting yourself
>>748516923Yeah he'll do that>>748505109
>>748516970yes
>>748516829>Do you still have to slog through the campagin every characteryes, and that will probably never go away because the faggot who co-founded the studio is hella proud of that dogshit campaign>>748516898just out of curiousity, what would you like from a power fantasy game? no loot at all?
>>748517030they don't look exactly like that, but it'd be disingenuous to say their gameplay loop and general gameplay aren't similar to either PoE game. they're all far far away from the rollslop you seem to adore so much. don't get me wrong, i love a good rollslop-playthrough but i'd never sink 10s of thousands of hours into one of those games.
>>748517075>what would you like from a power fantasy game? no loot at all?Not him. The more loot there is the less it means. Souls games give you a unique item in a specific location which is named and modelled after something linked to the area and has lore behind it and there is only one of them. PoE gives you 3 billion randomly rolled lists of stats which are worth nothing and then a bunch of currency which you'll use to buy things on a market. It's not hard to imagine people might have preferences that lie somewhere between those two points
>>748517183souls games have fixed loot, not randomized grindable loot, no ramdomized layouts, no endgame and no seasonal model. it works in those games, but would not work in a diablo-like.
>>748516923That still happened to be at level 80 lol because I was so used to killing him quickly that I forgot his moves but he did it unreasonably early and it just murders you
I tried playing a fireball sorceress then turned into a disciple of varshatta but I didn't what I was doing and it turns out varashta is a minion build actually? but not a real minion build because you have to always keep commanding it?I just wanted to sling fireballs and watch the screen explode and burn? What am I now a djinn's babysitter what happened?
>Why is my game not more like no rest for the wickedyeah, i wonder why.>>748517282you can change your ascendancy
>>748517282You will play the game Jonathan wants you to play
poe1 piggys in shambles
>>748517282DoV actually can be a very powerful fireball screen clearer all you need to do is tie it to it CoC and then use high crit spells like arc and frostbolt to trigger it.
>>748517441>want to play fireball>you need to use lightning and ice??????????????????????
>>748517518>>748517368THE VISION
>>748517249So you don't believe there's any scale. Only 2 positions, you either have Moonlight Greatsword or a floor full of infinite shit and nothing in between
>>748516923Imagine being worse than asmongoy
>>748517787He's literally playing a likely Titan build and with 1K hp at that stage of the game is practically cheating
>>748486053My biggest complaint right now is just crafting sucking because rng resource based crafting is retarded. There was even a league where they made crafting actually kind of interesting with homogenizing exaltation but NOOOO we have to remove that because it makes it actually possible for regular players to get good items. And all the actually useful crafting items are a one in a million chance of dropping and even THOSE are rng that fuck you most of the time. Dumb fucking developers just want to appeal to all the 10000 hour faggots. I don't feel bad whatsoever for tradefagging in the game because I am not wasting my time on the cock and ball torture that is their crafting system
>>748517518Welcome to poe2. If you want that go play D4 instead
>>748517975>Dumb fucking developers just want to appeal to all the 10000 hour faggots.This have nothing to do with them. GGG defend RMT because with proper crafting revenue from divs will plummet to nothing.
You retards are still crying about these games a decades later and still doomposting them as if they will die anytime soon (2 more weeks lmao), lo and behold, they're still here after all these years... the butthurt is real
>>748520610>decadeIt came out 2 years ago disingenuoustard
>>748506393why do women think think acting like some bpd quirk chungus retard passes for acting?
>>748517834>having a tanky life build is cheating
>>748517975Multiplayer and trade have been unmitigated blights on the genre. The gameplay doesn't scale well to multiple players and devs use trading as an excuse to fuck with drop rates and suck the joy out of finding good items. You can play things SSF but you're still playing the same trade-brained design even if you voluntarily refuse to engage with trade.
>>748524168After actually playing trade for the first time I get where you're coming from better but the fun of SSF should more be piecing together the best with what you've picked up. I think the bigger problem there is that it's so exhausting looking through loot just for my own class, much less others, so it's rare that I'll even see the god drop for other builds in the first place, but I guess that's what uniques are supposed to do.
>>748515748Your f2p account gets to run through the campaign and some early maps, and you figure out if you enjoyed it enough to buy stash tabs so you can continue playing. It's genuinely one of the few "fair" microtransaction systems any game has, though there are now so many stash tabs that it can be overwhelming to get them all up front. But most people got their tabs over the course of years and buying 1-2 every league is reasonable.
>>748521892>why do women think thinklet me stop you right there
>>748514065what game nonny?
